NYSE:TDCX TDCX Q3 2023 Earnings Report Profile TDCX EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.16Consensus EPS $0.17Beat/MissMissed by -$0.01One Year Ago EPS$0.14TDCX Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$119.79 millionExpected Revenue$126.47 millionBeat/MissMissed by -$6.68 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/ATDCX Announcement DetailsQuarterQ3 2023Date11/21/2023TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateTuesday, November 21, 2023Conference Call Time7:30PM ETConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Company ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by TDCX Q3 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrNovember 21, 2023 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the TDCX Q3 2023 Results Announcement. My name is Neil, and I will be coordinating your call today. I will now hand you over to your host, Jason Lim from TDCX to begin. Jason, please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:23Hello, everyone, and welcome to TDCX Q3 2023 earnings conference call. My name is Jason Lim, the Head of Investor Relations. Joining us on the call today is our Executive Chairman, Founder and CEO, Mr. Lahun Junik our CFO, Mr. Chin Zeng and our EVP of Corporate Development, Mr. Speaker 100:00:42Edward Koh. Before we continue, I would like to remind you that we will make forward looking statements, which are subject to risks and uncertainties that may not be realized in the future. You should not place any reliance on any forward looking statements. Also, this call includes the discussion of certain non IFRS financial measures, such as adjusted EBITDA and constant currency revenue growth. For reconciliation to the closest IFRS measures, Please refer to the Form 6 ks, which is available on our website. Speaker 100:01:13We have prepared a convenient translation for Singapore dollars to the U. S. Dollar At a rate of USD1 to SGD1.3648, this should not be construed as Representation that any Singapore dollar amount can be converted to USD at this or any other rate. With that, let me hand over the call to Lahond. Lahond, please. Speaker 200:01:36Hello, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. Before I begin, I'd like to thank our team members across the TDCX global network for their exceptional efforts and our clients and investors for their continued trust and support. In the 3rd quarter, TDCX delivered a solid revenue of US120 $1,000,000 which is stable on a constant currency basis. We also demonstrated improved operating rigor as we delivered Q3 adjusted EBITDA margins of 27.8%, A testament to the success of our ongoing cost optimization initiatives, this compares with 25.9% in Q2 2023. Profit for the period was US23 $1,000,000 an increase of 2.3% year on year. Speaker 200:02:29This means we are very much on track to meet our guidance for the year. I would say that the overall business continues to be strong and resilient, Notably, if you were to exclude revenue from our top client, revenues from the rest of the business would have grown in the low teens percentage year on year for Q3 2023 compared to Q3 2022. This demonstrates a very healthy performance against the backdrop of a really tough operating environment, which speaks to the way we continue to deliver excellence for our clients. You can also see this across a few operational parameters. Firstly, we continue to register growth based business growth as revenue from clients outside the Top 5, rising 51% year on year. Speaker 200:03:18These newer clients, while starting from a smaller base, Are growing quite steadily and continue to ramp nicely with us. Secondly, we continue to make progress in reducing client concentration and diversifying our business. Our top two clients contributed 47% of this quarter's revenue, Hence, reducing our concentration by almost 10 percentage points from 56% in the same period last year. Thirdly, Our business development efforts have yielded good results. Total client count rose 31% to 94 clients as of September 30, 2023 with bright spots in some key sectors, which I'll speak more about shortly. Speaker 200:04:02And last but not least, Our geographic expansion in the last two years continues to bear fruit as revenue from new geographies grew 5 times this compared to the same period last year. These indicators show that despite an uncertain backdrop, we are managing the business well while simultaneously achieving growth in earnings. Despite these improvements, the macroeconomic environment remains challenging. As communicated before, several of our key clients have reduced volumes during the year as part of their focus on cost efficiency. We're seeing the impact of these reductions against a strong Q3 last year, but these are within our forecast and expectations for FY20 Speaker 300:04:48[SPEAKER NICOLAS Speaker 200:04:48COTE COLISSON:] We are very disciplined with regards to cost controls. Furthermore, we have actively deployed our cash to drive higher returns. Our profit performance has translated into strong cash flows and a strong balance sheet. Cash generated from operations was US86 $1,000,000 for the 9 months of 2023. As of September 30, 2023, we have US318 $1,000,000 of cash and cash equivalents with no debt on the balance sheet. Speaker 200:05:22Again, our strong cash flow generation and low leverage provides us with ample flexibility to pursue strategic growth as well as to enhance shareholder returns through a variety of avenues. We see great value in our shares at current valuations And have prioritized share buybacks as a form of enhancing shareholder returns. We were much more active in the market in the Q3. From 1 July to 17 November, 2023, we purchased around 930,000 shares. Since the inception of this program in March 2022, we have deployed more than $15,000,000 and bought back around 2,000,000 shares. Speaker 200:06:03We see this as an attractive use of our capital and believe that as growth returns repurchases At these levels, we'll create significant value. In terms of M and As, with our strong cash balance, we have the ability to move very quickly on targets That could help enhance our capabilities, our reach to better serve our clients or to accelerate our growth. Additionally, we have the financial strength and flexibility to allocate capital to strengthen our organic initiatives Such as TDCS AI, our consulting capabilities and reinvesting in our business. This quarter at PDCS AI, we have accelerated our progress in deploying AI solutions for select clients, while continuing to refine other pilot AI initiatives to boost internal productivity. Let me outline another use case that We launched this quarter to showcase how we help clients solve major pain points. Speaker 200:07:06For sales Campaign for large digital advertising clients, we built an AI enabled sales catalyst accelerator to enhance Outreach success and to maximize customer engagement in our sales and digital marketing programs. Our team took our treasure trove of historical contact data sets and overlaid them with additional data Such as interaction notes and customer profiles, and we train the model to predict and identify the optimal moment for marketing specialists to carry out a marketing plan review. This improvement boosted their reach by 20% to 40%. With a higher reach, our marketing specialists were able to assist users in a more timely and strategic manner And significantly increased monetization for our digital advertising clients. This is a good example Of where TDCX establishes our right to play as a strategic advisory partner to clients who are looking for actionable ways Gain incremental productivity and efficiency within their campaigns as they come under pressure to do more with less. Speaker 200:08:22Through TDCX AI, we leverage our deep operational experience as CX practitioners and our tech stack to better understand clients' pain points and advise and implement feasible solutions to drive improved outcomes in their campaigns Without losing that human touch, this is ultimately what clients have always come to us for. Most of our campaigns, which involve complex Tasks that require humans in the loop, we believe will benefit from the productivity gains AI provides and will help us scale the business to even Greater heights. We have won some very exciting clients during the quarter as total client count rose to 94, 31% increase year on year. Our domain expertise in key verticals and strategic footprint in APAC continues to shine through. The clients we launched in Q3 included one of the world's most popular mobile messaging apps and a leading global airline based out of Asia, both of whom have the potential of ramping meaningfully with us. Speaker 200:09:30Our client count does not include a further 4 clients that have been signed but not yet launched, which includes Southeast Asia's leading super app providing everyday services as well as a European medical device manufacturer. Such wins are testament to deep domain expertise that we have built over the years, such as for social media platforms within our digital advertising And media vertical in travel and hospitality as well as in sales and digital marketing. We have also made forays into innovative verticals such as HealthTech with 2 clients, which we are pretty excited about. For one client, TDCX will be providing customer support for patients with specific medical needs and for the other, helping medical practitioners understand how to use sophisticated medical devices. TDDIX's ability To break into new verticals such as HealthTech stems from our specialization in managing complex customer interactions and the ability to deliver Excellent CX outcomes. Speaker 200:10:38With a higher client count and broader growth, we have improved our client concentration profile. With top 2 clients contributing 47% of revenue compared to 56% in Q2 2022, Well, our top 5 clients contributed 71% of this quarter's revenue, down from 82% in the same period last year. In terms of contribution from verticals, digital advertising and media now represents 43% of our business And remains pressured by softness from our largest clients. We see some bright spots in Travel and Hospitality, our 2nd largest vertical at 29% of revenue, which grew 8% year on year, demonstrating a stabilization of the travel sector with a runway for longer term growth as we win more plants in this vertical. E Commerce and Gaming are also doing very well, Growing at an incredible clip of 63% year on year and 110% year on year, both reflecting the underlying strength of these sectors. Speaker 200:11:46I'd like to emphasize at this juncture that TD CX is unique Amongst global CX providers with over 70% of the business focused on serving Southeast Asian and North Asian languages, serving complex business needs. Since 2021, we've expanded quite rapidly, adding 9 new geographies to our global footprint, including Colombia, India, Romania, South Korea, Hong Kong, Turkey, Vietnam, Brazil and Indonesia. Our new geos have been scaling well and revenue in Q3 2023 was 5 times that of Q3 2022. We are happy with our strategic footprint now and we will be focusing on growing and stabilizing these new sites, Generating better economies of scale and progressively improving their margins. Korea has been one of our Top performers in terms of new sites revenue expansion and continues to do well as we add more headcount and deliver on customer satisfaction scores. Speaker 200:12:48In Indonesia, we recently launched on the ground with a large social media client. It's early days yet. We are excited about the market's potential. In Vietnam, we are delivering top of the networks course for a client launched a few quarters ago, And we are in active talks to sign up another client. These are positive developments, which really gives me In confidence that our footprint in Asia will only continue to strengthen. Speaker 200:13:15Some updates on LatAm as well. Earlier this year, we launched our first campaign in Sao Paulo, Brazil, a pivotal step in our journey, and our team has continued to grow ever since. We have delivered what the clients have called their smoothest launch to date, and we're now one of the top 3 performing sites globally based on customer satisfaction. In Colombia, we expanded our customer service support team with a very innovative Robot assisted food delivery service, and we continue to receive interest from clients looking to launch in the region. Beyond delivering value to our clients, our goal at TDCX is also to ensure that we provide the best employee experience to our global TDCX team members And continue to attract and retain the best talent. Speaker 200:14:04I'm extremely proud of our engagement teams who champion a vibrant multicultural Enjoy full work culture and 7 of our campuses are Great Place to Work certified among the many other industry recognitions celebrating TDCX. In closing, we remain super focused on executing and delivering excellence for our clients and the results can be seen in many of the indicators that we shared earlier. Over the past 9 months, our nimble and agile structure has allowed us to pivot quickly, strategizing to make overheads more elastic against revenue, which in turn has contributed to margins improving. We have also made good progress on the AI and consulting front, which really helps to position us to be the ideal outsourcing partner for our clients. Moving forward, we will continue to invest for growth while at the same time managing our costs carefully. Speaker 200:15:06While we are focused on some of these immediate priorities, I would like to convey my confidence on TDCX's differentiated footprint, domain expertise in doing complex work for key verticals And strong track record in developing client vendor relationships into key strategic partnerships for large global enterprises. We see green shoots in 2024, but it also appears that the global macroeconomic environment is not out of the woods yet. So we'll have to be very careful and robust with our guidance when it's time to do so during our Q4 results announcement. With that, Let me hand it over to Mr. Chen. Speaker 300:15:49Thank you, Laurent. In Q3 2023, we delivered revenue of US120 million dollars which is stable on a constant currency basis. On a reported basis, revenue is down 5.4% year on year due to the strengthening of This was driven by a decline in declined volumes from some of our key clients, resulting in lower revenue from our top 5 clients combined. Our clients outside the top 5 Continued to grow strong, rising 51% year on year, which is in line with our continuous measures to broaden our customer base. This has improved our customer revenue diversification as Lohan has shared earlier. Speaker 300:16:38Adjusted EBITDA declined 9.1% year on And we delivered margin of 37.8% this quarter compared to 29% in the corresponding period last year. As shared throughout the earlier part of this financial year, we have continued with investment expenses to grow our business, including entering into new geographies and building new capabilities such as TBCXAI. As part of our planned geographical expansion strategy, we incurred higher rental and maintenance expenses with the setup of 3 field sites as well as higher telecom and technology expenses support campaign volume requirements at both existing and new fabs. That said, our cost management and productivity initiatives have started to show results as adjusted EBITDA margins have improved sequentially from Q1 2023 through to Q3 2023. I'll share a bit more on this in the next slide. Speaker 300:17:38In Q3 2023, We recorded higher interest income from increased placement of cash in interest earning deposits compounded by the elevated interest rate environment. We also recorded lower income tax expenses from the reinstatement of tax incentive in the Philippines that was suspended temporarily last year, Lower profitability of few key operating units and the non recurrence of the one off prosperity tax innovation that was implemented As a result, profit for the period grew 2.3% to US23 million dollars Adjusted net income, which represents profit before equity settled share based payment expense, net foreign exchange gain or loss And acquisition related to professional fees rose 2.2% year on year. We have reported sequential adjusted EBITDA margin improvement from quarter 1 to quarter 3, which demonstrated the effects Adjusted EBITDA margins rose from 24% in Q1 2023 to 25.9% in Q2 2023 And up to 27.8% in Q3 2023. Throughout the course of the year, our efforts to exercise headcount against business requirements Resulting in better employee cost efficiency. Secondly, as our new geographies started to Launched new campaigns and generate revenue. Speaker 300:19:18This also helped increase utilization at the new sites and deliver better economies of scale as we move through 2023. Let me next provide some insights of our revenue by service offerings. Revenue from omni channel CX solutions services decreased by 3% to US72 $1,000,000 primarily due to a contraction of volume from a key client in the digital advertising and media verticals. We were able to partly offset this with higher business volume In the Travel and Hospitality, Gaming, Fast Moving Consumer Goods, Financial Services, Technology and E Commerce verticals. Revenue from sales and digital marketing services increased by 3% to US32 $1,000,000 due to the expansion of existing campaigns by Key digital advertising and media clients and scale up contributions from new clients secured in 2022. Speaker 300:20:16Revenues from Content, Trust and City declined 30% year on year to US14 $1,000,000 due to downward revision of volume requirements Because we only have 2 clients in this segment, it is more susceptible to strength due to changes in order. There continues to be good opportunities within the content truck and safety sector, which we are working to test. In summary, omni channel CX made up 60% of our total business in Q3, while sales and digital marketing and content trust Much of the swing in this quarter was driven by movement in volumes of If we exclude the key clients, we delivered double digit percentage growth across all three service offerings. Let me next move on to our year to date performance. Our revenue for the 9 months ended 30th September 2023 rose 7% on a constant currency basis. Speaker 300:21:30Due to the impact of the strong Singapore dollar, reported revenue was up We delivered strong earnings growth over the 9 months period As profit for the period rose 10.3 percent to USD 65,000,000. This was driven by a tight focus on cost Optimization and further boosted by a net reversal of equity settled share based payment expense in Q1 2023. Margins were down year on year as we continue with our planned investments into new geographies and new capabilities. In particular, in the 1st and second quarter of this year, we have opted to keep strong support and share service ratios, which impacted margins during the early part of the year. Margins have since improved sequentially quarter on quarter as shared earlier. Speaker 300:22:25Excluding the effects of equity settled share based payment expense, adjusted EBITDA declined 10.8% to US95 million dollars due to the lower margins year on year. Adjusted net income declined by a lower 5.8 percent to US62 million dollars aided by lower taxes and higher interest income. Speaker 400:22:46For the Speaker 300:22:479 months of 2023, revenue from omni channel CX Gross 4% to US219 $1,000,000 Revenue from sales and digital marketing services increased by 13% to US98 dollars Revenue from content shops and safety services was down 22% at US46 $1,000,000 due largely to a drop in volumes from a key For the 9 months of 2023, omni channel CX contributed 60% of our business, While sales and digital marketing stood at 27% and content trust and safety at 13%. Lastly, let me provide an update on our full year 2023 outlook. We have delivered a resilient set of results in line with our guidance. For the 9 months of 2023, we have reported a 7% growth in revenue in constant currency terms and adjusted EBITDA margins of 25.9%. Based on the near term visibility on value in Q4, twenty twenty three that reflects confirmed volume requirements, expected operational delivery And since the LNG and barring unforeseen significant events, we are reiterating our full year 2023 revenue growth We also reaffirm our full year 2023 adjusted EBITDA margins Approximately between 25% to 27%. Speaker 300:24:16We will share FY 'twenty four guidance where we next report our Q4 and full year results. With that, let me hand you back to Jason. Speaker 100:24:30Thank you. Thanks Mr. Chin Lohan for the presentation. We are now ready for the Q and As. May I ask that you limit yourself to 3 questions at each round, so we have a chance to sort of Take down the questions. Speaker 100:24:45Operator, please. Operator00:24:50Thank you very much. CGSCIMB, please go ahead. Speaker 500:25:26Hi, good morning management team. Thanks for taking my question. Speaker 200:25:30I Speaker 500:25:30have Two questions here. The first one is regarding the revenue slowdown in the Q3 of the year. This seems to be mainly driven by Your top two customers, based on my rough calculations, it seems that the revenue has fell 20% year on year here. Can you share more on what's happening here that results the advertising drop? Section number 2, I think Menta showed a return to growth for its digital advertising In the latest quarter, why hasn't that translated into your numbers? Speaker 500:26:00And based on your latest discussion with them, when can we see contributions from digital advertising clients Returning to growth. 3rd question, I think we see some bright spots here in terms of ex top five client performance. Maybe you can share some more colors on this. That will be very helpful. Thank you. Speaker 200:26:21Thank you, Casey. Appreciate the question. I'll answer both the revenue slowdown and the bright spot within The same answer then I can talk about any growth implied or announced by our digital advertising clients. So in terms of revenue slowdown, really, this is what it was expected and the reason we revised our guidance back in August. So some key clients, particularly our large digital advertising client has cut volumes. Speaker 200:26:56But if you exclude that top client, our revenues across all three segments would have grown in low teens. The clients outside the top 5 are So growing very well at 51% from Q3 'twenty three to Q3 'twenty two. But the impact, as you know, From the bigger client is the one causing that slowdown. So we're really in a situation where we have almost 2 different companies here, one that's Being impacted by some large clients who are restructuring, looking for efficiencies, and then we have a mix of New clients and existing clients who are growing at a very fast pace, and so we have to manage that operationally. In answering the brighter spots, we've brought in some exciting clients. Speaker 200:27:47We have some verticals that are doing well for us. Travel is Gaming is exploding. Tech is doing well. Health tech is a new sector, so that's exciting. I'm excited about the Global messaging platform that we've brought in, which has a great potential and it's a multi A purpose service that we provide, whether it's B2B support, technical support, but also content moderation, Another client in the e commerce side from Asia, another social media company that we're working with From Asian footprint, but also global footprint, Asia's preferred super app And more gaming, a new airline that we're bringing in as well. Speaker 200:28:37So quite excited, one of our tech clients as well Has some potential to grow. So it's more about the quality of those clients that So it's me and that I see as the bright spot. Now in terms of the second question about the digital advertising clients Announcing better performance, yes, it's good for them, and we're very happy, of course, to see this. It's However, a bit difficult to connect and map this with us. We don't own 100% of their business. Speaker 200:29:14We have one A percentage of it in specific service lines, specific geos, so from day 1 and I think now we've been publicly set for the past 2 years, We've had difficulties really connecting the dots between their performance, the macroeconomic performance and our Because a lot of things get in the way. But if you want to also look at the Q4 outlook, they remain a little bit cautious as well. So it's not impossible that those clients are not pressing on the accelerator pedal right now, watching and planning for next year. So from quarter to quarter, I wouldn't jump into making predictions, Watch it carefully and then see how things pan out next year. So I have, however, a sentiment that we've been under a Situation where there's been a lot of management reshuffle over the past 12 months, a bit of paralysis in making decisions That should be normalizing and I could expect that maybe clients are looking at 2024 with a bit more Stability, strategy, planning and decisions. Speaker 200:30:30So that's what I'm thinking of. I hope that answers the question. Speaker 500:30:38Thank you so much. Operator00:30:46Thank you very much. Thank you very much. We now have our next question from Ranjan Sharma from JPMorgan. Please go ahead. Speaker 600:31:03Hi, good morning team and thank you for the presentation. Just one question from my side. The headcount has come down. How should we think as About the growth opportunity, I mean could this be a leading indicator that you expect revenues To be under pressure in the coming periods is well that you are reducing the headcount? Thank you. Speaker 200:31:32Thank you, Arunjan. Look, the headcount reduction is absolutely directly related To the reduction in business volume as we announced we are minus 5.4%. So that Translating to reduce headcount invariably. So again, we have to be careful to look at it from quarter to quarter and not My predictions Q4 will also be a different quarter than Q3 was. There's some seasonality. Speaker 200:32:03So if I look at the headcount, I look at it from where we've been and we have quite a bit of flex In terms of hiring fast and also reducing our headcount fast as well. So Yes, I wouldn't put that as your leading indicator into reading into 2024, which I assume what you're asking right now. So we usually right size according to the business volumes and that's one of the strength and reasons why clients come to us, So it's really direct correlation between revenue and headcount sizing for TDCX. Speaker 600:32:50Thanks, Laurent. I mean, I appreciate that you've done a very efficient business. What I'm grappling with is that if you were expecting revenues to pick up, would you still cut headcount? So on the corollary of that or the corollary to that is that if you're reducing headcount, then you would expect Speaker 200:33:14No, I think we're sticking to our guidance of revenue for 2024, so we report to you the headcount we had in Q3, which we were cutting because So we started cutting before Q3 so that it looks like we have less headcount so that we meet our targets and meet our clients' requirements. But it's not like we're cutting headcount continuously. It's not a program of layoffs. It's rightsizing. So that's a continuous operational Method that we've been carrying out. Speaker 200:33:56So and as the business picks up, we'll be hiring more. So that's the logical Thank you, Ranjan. Operator00:34:22Thank you very much. We now have our next question from Han Tan from HSBC. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:34:31Thanks, management. Could I ask how much of this quarter's EBITDA margin improvement you attribute the FX effect Versus the other effects you mentioned like high utilization. So if FX turns, do you expect some Pleasure to these margins. Speaker 200:34:55Mr. Chin maybe could answer this question. Speaker 700:35:02Your question centers around how Speaker 400:35:04much is FX and how much is? How much of quarter on quarter EBITDA margin improvement is FX versus other factors? Speaker 300:35:23I would say Speaker 700:35:25not an awful lot because the FX in Q2 to Q3 was the movement was Not as apparent in the earlier 2 quarters or earlier Q1. So I would say it's to a lesser effect on that front, but more of the utilization Right sizing effects of the Paytel deployment And better I mean, enhanced performance because due to the right sizing of headcount, Calibration of people according to the business demand, it will be carrying more weight on that front, more effect on that front rather than the FX, which though it has a bit, it is not the main core issue for the period. Speaker 400:36:26Okay, thanks so much. I think my next question is on the quarter reduction in headcount. Is there a way that you could provide color in terms of geography or Speaker 200:36:43We don't really give a breakdown here Depending on the geos, but if I can maybe take your question a little bit further and say that Some of the clients have also been looking for cost reductions and have asked to move from some more Expensive locations to lower cost location. The good news is we have now a network of In geographies with different profiles and capabilities from a language and pricing and Technical capability point of view and we can offer these options, which was I think 2 years ago not the case. So we're pretty well Shielded and ready to deal with those challenges. And but yes, it depends really It's not uniform across the board. Look, we have the new geos who have grown 5 times compared to last year. Speaker 200:37:45That's So 9 different countries out of 16. So you would expect that those have progressed in terms of headcount, whilst The legacy larger geos where we operate from have been under a bit more pressure, and not all of them, some of them, right. I hope that answers the question. Speaker 400:38:09Then on that point on Shifting to lower cost locations, has that been a headwind to top line and if so, how much? Speaker 200:38:21Yes, it is definitely a headwind. It's unavoidable as a headwind to the top line. I cannot share the amount, But it's not terribly significant. It does have an impact, but it's not Probably worth mentioning in terms of value, but it's a natural progression of the way we're rebalancing Demand in a tough market environment, the macro is challenging, clients are quite price sensitive And we need to be able to offer them solutions. But it's training pretty fine and within our guidance once again Speaker 400:39:10If I could just squeeze in one question, could I ask about Lead time to sort of between headcount additions and ramp up, has that Timing changed since 2 years ago? Speaker 200:39:26No, no. This is still the same cycle of recruiting is More or less the same and the impact on revenue follows. So no major transformation here Within our operational model. Speaker 400:39:45Got it. Thanks, very helpful. Speaker 700:39:48Thank Speaker 200:39:52you, Speaker 100:39:58Okay. Thanks, Han. I think next we have a question from Jonathan Wu via the webcast from Philip. Moving into 2024, can we expect revenue growth Speaker 200:40:21Thank you, Jonathan. So well, it's early days at this point, and we I cannot comment really And to how 2024 will look like and we'll provide our guidance at the full year results soon. We are absolutely working on our forecast right now, discussing volumes with clients and planning. As you know, those large clients have a quite significant chunk of our business. So Definitely, if their growth is muted, then we'll be impacted, but it's too early to comment on this. Speaker 200:41:03On the other clients that we have, the smaller ones, same thing, I don't want to commit at this point, Although they would have logically faster growth profile than the top 2 and top 3. So it's a bit early to talk about this, but that's as far as I think I can go at this point. Operator00:41:37Thank you very much. We now have a follow-up question by Casey On from CJS CIMB. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:41:58Hi, thanks. In terms of guidance for FY 2023, I observed that you decided to Keep your full year guidance of about 2% to 4% in constant currency terms. I noticed that in 9 months This year, revenue growth on constant currency terms was already about 7%. So is this more of conservatism or are you Speaker 200:42:30Thank you, Casey. No, I think we've planned this pretty well. And as you can see, the first half, we were up 11%. But the 3rd quarter, we're down 5.4%. So we're pretty well tracking within the guidance that we've given 2% to 4%. Speaker 200:42:57So this is a year where the first half was stronger than the second half. And I guess every year is different, and we adapt Depending on how our business evolves, how our clients are behaving, how the macroeconomic environment behaves, but that's more or less the picture. So I think We're reiterating that guidance of 2.24 and I guess you can draw your own conclusions as to how Q4 is going to look like. Speaker 500:43:30Got it. And just wondering in terms of AI, yes, Can you talk a bit more about the latest monetization of this opportunity? Yes, any color would be helpful. Thank you. Great. Speaker 200:43:45Thank you for the question. So quite excited here. We are pursuing our journey with the TVCX AI, making great progress. As expected, as I said before, we use TD CX AI as a strategic advantage to strengthen our relationship with our clients, especially the larger clients. So we are continuously investing in that space. Speaker 200:44:12We've brought in 2 new professionals into the mix, I'm very happy with and we've continuously engaged with our clients. We continue to build interesting Products and prototypes, and I mentioned one of them in the call in terms of helping to accelerate our sales on digital marketing. But one that got me very excited as well was So one with Gen AI that we've done with OpenAI on knowledge base that we've improved from one of our airline clients, and it's a very exciting Use case at this point in terms of seeing the value it brings in adding more speed to proficiency. Monetization is still a long way away, if you want it in terms of value, But we're looking at different ways to monetize. 1, charging clients for strategic consulting fees, and we're seeing some traction in that Possibility, sharing of productivity gains over time, getting into outcome based pricing models, But also helping our employees to be more efficient and relevant to where we think The world is going to turn, which is going to be having to do more complex transactions. Speaker 200:45:48And as we said, from the day we went IPO, Automation will rid the business of the simple tasks and will continue to drive The more complex task to humans in the loop and so we focus on that. And so yes, I'm happy with that. I'm always never happy enough. It could go Faster, but it's we're in a good place. And I think what I like about is really The strategic intent not to confuse ourselves with the IT company, but more as a CX strategic advisor Leveraging AI for our clients in general. Speaker 500:46:34Got it. Thank you. Speaker 200:46:36Thank you, KC. Speaker 100:46:38Thanks, KC. I think that's all the questions we have on the call today. If you have any follow-up, please feel free to reach out to Investor Relations. On behalf of management, thank you for your time and for dialing in. Goodbye, and have a good day ahead. Operator00:46:59Thank you very much. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's call. Thank you for joining. You may now disconnect your lines.Read morePowered by Key Takeaways TDCX reported Q3 revenue of US$120 million and achieved a sequential adjusted EBITDA margin of 27.8%, up from 25.9% in Q2, driven by cost optimization initiatives. Excluding its top client, the company’s remaining business grew in the low-teens year-on-year, while revenue from clients outside the Top 5 surged by 51%, reducing top-two client concentration to 47% from 56%. With US$318 million in cash, zero debt, and US$86 million generated from operations YTD, TDCX repurchased 930,000 shares in Q3 (2 million since March 2022) to enhance shareholder returns. Geographic expansion continues to pay off as revenue from new regions was 5 times higher than a year ago, supported by wins in sectors like digital advertising, travel, and HealthTech. The macroeconomic environment remains challenging, with major digital advertising clients reducing volumes and headcount rightsizing impacting near-term growth visibility. AI Generated. 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The company offers digital customer experience solutions, such as after-sales service and customer support across various industry verticals, including travel and hospitality, digital advertising and media, fast-moving consumer goods, technology, financial services, fintech, government and non-governmental organizations, gaming, e-commerce, and education industries; and omnichannel CX solutions comprising end-user support and troubleshooting for software and consumer electronic devices. It also provides sales and digital marketing services to market products and services to customers in the business-to-consumer and business-to-business markets. In addition, the company offers content monitoring and moderation services that create an online environment for social media platforms by providing human interaction to content moderation services; workspaces to its existing clients; and human resource and administration services. 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There are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the TDCX Q3 2023 Results Announcement. My name is Neil, and I will be coordinating your call today. I will now hand you over to your host, Jason Lim from TDCX to begin. Jason, please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:23Hello, everyone, and welcome to TDCX Q3 2023 earnings conference call. My name is Jason Lim, the Head of Investor Relations. Joining us on the call today is our Executive Chairman, Founder and CEO, Mr. Lahun Junik our CFO, Mr. Chin Zeng and our EVP of Corporate Development, Mr. Speaker 100:00:42Edward Koh. Before we continue, I would like to remind you that we will make forward looking statements, which are subject to risks and uncertainties that may not be realized in the future. You should not place any reliance on any forward looking statements. Also, this call includes the discussion of certain non IFRS financial measures, such as adjusted EBITDA and constant currency revenue growth. For reconciliation to the closest IFRS measures, Please refer to the Form 6 ks, which is available on our website. Speaker 100:01:13We have prepared a convenient translation for Singapore dollars to the U. S. Dollar At a rate of USD1 to SGD1.3648, this should not be construed as Representation that any Singapore dollar amount can be converted to USD at this or any other rate. With that, let me hand over the call to Lahond. Lahond, please. Speaker 200:01:36Hello, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. Before I begin, I'd like to thank our team members across the TDCX global network for their exceptional efforts and our clients and investors for their continued trust and support. In the 3rd quarter, TDCX delivered a solid revenue of US120 $1,000,000 which is stable on a constant currency basis. We also demonstrated improved operating rigor as we delivered Q3 adjusted EBITDA margins of 27.8%, A testament to the success of our ongoing cost optimization initiatives, this compares with 25.9% in Q2 2023. Profit for the period was US23 $1,000,000 an increase of 2.3% year on year. Speaker 200:02:29This means we are very much on track to meet our guidance for the year. I would say that the overall business continues to be strong and resilient, Notably, if you were to exclude revenue from our top client, revenues from the rest of the business would have grown in the low teens percentage year on year for Q3 2023 compared to Q3 2022. This demonstrates a very healthy performance against the backdrop of a really tough operating environment, which speaks to the way we continue to deliver excellence for our clients. You can also see this across a few operational parameters. Firstly, we continue to register growth based business growth as revenue from clients outside the Top 5, rising 51% year on year. Speaker 200:03:18These newer clients, while starting from a smaller base, Are growing quite steadily and continue to ramp nicely with us. Secondly, we continue to make progress in reducing client concentration and diversifying our business. Our top two clients contributed 47% of this quarter's revenue, Hence, reducing our concentration by almost 10 percentage points from 56% in the same period last year. Thirdly, Our business development efforts have yielded good results. Total client count rose 31% to 94 clients as of September 30, 2023 with bright spots in some key sectors, which I'll speak more about shortly. Speaker 200:04:02And last but not least, Our geographic expansion in the last two years continues to bear fruit as revenue from new geographies grew 5 times this compared to the same period last year. These indicators show that despite an uncertain backdrop, we are managing the business well while simultaneously achieving growth in earnings. Despite these improvements, the macroeconomic environment remains challenging. As communicated before, several of our key clients have reduced volumes during the year as part of their focus on cost efficiency. We're seeing the impact of these reductions against a strong Q3 last year, but these are within our forecast and expectations for FY20 Speaker 300:04:48[SPEAKER NICOLAS Speaker 200:04:48COTE COLISSON:] We are very disciplined with regards to cost controls. Furthermore, we have actively deployed our cash to drive higher returns. Our profit performance has translated into strong cash flows and a strong balance sheet. Cash generated from operations was US86 $1,000,000 for the 9 months of 2023. As of September 30, 2023, we have US318 $1,000,000 of cash and cash equivalents with no debt on the balance sheet. Speaker 200:05:22Again, our strong cash flow generation and low leverage provides us with ample flexibility to pursue strategic growth as well as to enhance shareholder returns through a variety of avenues. We see great value in our shares at current valuations And have prioritized share buybacks as a form of enhancing shareholder returns. We were much more active in the market in the Q3. From 1 July to 17 November, 2023, we purchased around 930,000 shares. Since the inception of this program in March 2022, we have deployed more than $15,000,000 and bought back around 2,000,000 shares. Speaker 200:06:03We see this as an attractive use of our capital and believe that as growth returns repurchases At these levels, we'll create significant value. In terms of M and As, with our strong cash balance, we have the ability to move very quickly on targets That could help enhance our capabilities, our reach to better serve our clients or to accelerate our growth. Additionally, we have the financial strength and flexibility to allocate capital to strengthen our organic initiatives Such as TDCS AI, our consulting capabilities and reinvesting in our business. This quarter at PDCS AI, we have accelerated our progress in deploying AI solutions for select clients, while continuing to refine other pilot AI initiatives to boost internal productivity. Let me outline another use case that We launched this quarter to showcase how we help clients solve major pain points. Speaker 200:07:06For sales Campaign for large digital advertising clients, we built an AI enabled sales catalyst accelerator to enhance Outreach success and to maximize customer engagement in our sales and digital marketing programs. Our team took our treasure trove of historical contact data sets and overlaid them with additional data Such as interaction notes and customer profiles, and we train the model to predict and identify the optimal moment for marketing specialists to carry out a marketing plan review. This improvement boosted their reach by 20% to 40%. With a higher reach, our marketing specialists were able to assist users in a more timely and strategic manner And significantly increased monetization for our digital advertising clients. This is a good example Of where TDCX establishes our right to play as a strategic advisory partner to clients who are looking for actionable ways Gain incremental productivity and efficiency within their campaigns as they come under pressure to do more with less. Speaker 200:08:22Through TDCX AI, we leverage our deep operational experience as CX practitioners and our tech stack to better understand clients' pain points and advise and implement feasible solutions to drive improved outcomes in their campaigns Without losing that human touch, this is ultimately what clients have always come to us for. Most of our campaigns, which involve complex Tasks that require humans in the loop, we believe will benefit from the productivity gains AI provides and will help us scale the business to even Greater heights. We have won some very exciting clients during the quarter as total client count rose to 94, 31% increase year on year. Our domain expertise in key verticals and strategic footprint in APAC continues to shine through. The clients we launched in Q3 included one of the world's most popular mobile messaging apps and a leading global airline based out of Asia, both of whom have the potential of ramping meaningfully with us. Speaker 200:09:30Our client count does not include a further 4 clients that have been signed but not yet launched, which includes Southeast Asia's leading super app providing everyday services as well as a European medical device manufacturer. Such wins are testament to deep domain expertise that we have built over the years, such as for social media platforms within our digital advertising And media vertical in travel and hospitality as well as in sales and digital marketing. We have also made forays into innovative verticals such as HealthTech with 2 clients, which we are pretty excited about. For one client, TDCX will be providing customer support for patients with specific medical needs and for the other, helping medical practitioners understand how to use sophisticated medical devices. TDDIX's ability To break into new verticals such as HealthTech stems from our specialization in managing complex customer interactions and the ability to deliver Excellent CX outcomes. Speaker 200:10:38With a higher client count and broader growth, we have improved our client concentration profile. With top 2 clients contributing 47% of revenue compared to 56% in Q2 2022, Well, our top 5 clients contributed 71% of this quarter's revenue, down from 82% in the same period last year. In terms of contribution from verticals, digital advertising and media now represents 43% of our business And remains pressured by softness from our largest clients. We see some bright spots in Travel and Hospitality, our 2nd largest vertical at 29% of revenue, which grew 8% year on year, demonstrating a stabilization of the travel sector with a runway for longer term growth as we win more plants in this vertical. E Commerce and Gaming are also doing very well, Growing at an incredible clip of 63% year on year and 110% year on year, both reflecting the underlying strength of these sectors. Speaker 200:11:46I'd like to emphasize at this juncture that TD CX is unique Amongst global CX providers with over 70% of the business focused on serving Southeast Asian and North Asian languages, serving complex business needs. Since 2021, we've expanded quite rapidly, adding 9 new geographies to our global footprint, including Colombia, India, Romania, South Korea, Hong Kong, Turkey, Vietnam, Brazil and Indonesia. Our new geos have been scaling well and revenue in Q3 2023 was 5 times that of Q3 2022. We are happy with our strategic footprint now and we will be focusing on growing and stabilizing these new sites, Generating better economies of scale and progressively improving their margins. Korea has been one of our Top performers in terms of new sites revenue expansion and continues to do well as we add more headcount and deliver on customer satisfaction scores. Speaker 200:12:48In Indonesia, we recently launched on the ground with a large social media client. It's early days yet. We are excited about the market's potential. In Vietnam, we are delivering top of the networks course for a client launched a few quarters ago, And we are in active talks to sign up another client. These are positive developments, which really gives me In confidence that our footprint in Asia will only continue to strengthen. Speaker 200:13:15Some updates on LatAm as well. Earlier this year, we launched our first campaign in Sao Paulo, Brazil, a pivotal step in our journey, and our team has continued to grow ever since. We have delivered what the clients have called their smoothest launch to date, and we're now one of the top 3 performing sites globally based on customer satisfaction. In Colombia, we expanded our customer service support team with a very innovative Robot assisted food delivery service, and we continue to receive interest from clients looking to launch in the region. Beyond delivering value to our clients, our goal at TDCX is also to ensure that we provide the best employee experience to our global TDCX team members And continue to attract and retain the best talent. Speaker 200:14:04I'm extremely proud of our engagement teams who champion a vibrant multicultural Enjoy full work culture and 7 of our campuses are Great Place to Work certified among the many other industry recognitions celebrating TDCX. In closing, we remain super focused on executing and delivering excellence for our clients and the results can be seen in many of the indicators that we shared earlier. Over the past 9 months, our nimble and agile structure has allowed us to pivot quickly, strategizing to make overheads more elastic against revenue, which in turn has contributed to margins improving. We have also made good progress on the AI and consulting front, which really helps to position us to be the ideal outsourcing partner for our clients. Moving forward, we will continue to invest for growth while at the same time managing our costs carefully. Speaker 200:15:06While we are focused on some of these immediate priorities, I would like to convey my confidence on TDCX's differentiated footprint, domain expertise in doing complex work for key verticals And strong track record in developing client vendor relationships into key strategic partnerships for large global enterprises. We see green shoots in 2024, but it also appears that the global macroeconomic environment is not out of the woods yet. So we'll have to be very careful and robust with our guidance when it's time to do so during our Q4 results announcement. With that, Let me hand it over to Mr. Chen. Speaker 300:15:49Thank you, Laurent. In Q3 2023, we delivered revenue of US120 million dollars which is stable on a constant currency basis. On a reported basis, revenue is down 5.4% year on year due to the strengthening of This was driven by a decline in declined volumes from some of our key clients, resulting in lower revenue from our top 5 clients combined. Our clients outside the top 5 Continued to grow strong, rising 51% year on year, which is in line with our continuous measures to broaden our customer base. This has improved our customer revenue diversification as Lohan has shared earlier. Speaker 300:16:38Adjusted EBITDA declined 9.1% year on And we delivered margin of 37.8% this quarter compared to 29% in the corresponding period last year. As shared throughout the earlier part of this financial year, we have continued with investment expenses to grow our business, including entering into new geographies and building new capabilities such as TBCXAI. As part of our planned geographical expansion strategy, we incurred higher rental and maintenance expenses with the setup of 3 field sites as well as higher telecom and technology expenses support campaign volume requirements at both existing and new fabs. That said, our cost management and productivity initiatives have started to show results as adjusted EBITDA margins have improved sequentially from Q1 2023 through to Q3 2023. I'll share a bit more on this in the next slide. Speaker 300:17:38In Q3 2023, We recorded higher interest income from increased placement of cash in interest earning deposits compounded by the elevated interest rate environment. We also recorded lower income tax expenses from the reinstatement of tax incentive in the Philippines that was suspended temporarily last year, Lower profitability of few key operating units and the non recurrence of the one off prosperity tax innovation that was implemented As a result, profit for the period grew 2.3% to US23 million dollars Adjusted net income, which represents profit before equity settled share based payment expense, net foreign exchange gain or loss And acquisition related to professional fees rose 2.2% year on year. We have reported sequential adjusted EBITDA margin improvement from quarter 1 to quarter 3, which demonstrated the effects Adjusted EBITDA margins rose from 24% in Q1 2023 to 25.9% in Q2 2023 And up to 27.8% in Q3 2023. Throughout the course of the year, our efforts to exercise headcount against business requirements Resulting in better employee cost efficiency. Secondly, as our new geographies started to Launched new campaigns and generate revenue. Speaker 300:19:18This also helped increase utilization at the new sites and deliver better economies of scale as we move through 2023. Let me next provide some insights of our revenue by service offerings. Revenue from omni channel CX solutions services decreased by 3% to US72 $1,000,000 primarily due to a contraction of volume from a key client in the digital advertising and media verticals. We were able to partly offset this with higher business volume In the Travel and Hospitality, Gaming, Fast Moving Consumer Goods, Financial Services, Technology and E Commerce verticals. Revenue from sales and digital marketing services increased by 3% to US32 $1,000,000 due to the expansion of existing campaigns by Key digital advertising and media clients and scale up contributions from new clients secured in 2022. Speaker 300:20:16Revenues from Content, Trust and City declined 30% year on year to US14 $1,000,000 due to downward revision of volume requirements Because we only have 2 clients in this segment, it is more susceptible to strength due to changes in order. There continues to be good opportunities within the content truck and safety sector, which we are working to test. In summary, omni channel CX made up 60% of our total business in Q3, while sales and digital marketing and content trust Much of the swing in this quarter was driven by movement in volumes of If we exclude the key clients, we delivered double digit percentage growth across all three service offerings. Let me next move on to our year to date performance. Our revenue for the 9 months ended 30th September 2023 rose 7% on a constant currency basis. Speaker 300:21:30Due to the impact of the strong Singapore dollar, reported revenue was up We delivered strong earnings growth over the 9 months period As profit for the period rose 10.3 percent to USD 65,000,000. This was driven by a tight focus on cost Optimization and further boosted by a net reversal of equity settled share based payment expense in Q1 2023. Margins were down year on year as we continue with our planned investments into new geographies and new capabilities. In particular, in the 1st and second quarter of this year, we have opted to keep strong support and share service ratios, which impacted margins during the early part of the year. Margins have since improved sequentially quarter on quarter as shared earlier. Speaker 300:22:25Excluding the effects of equity settled share based payment expense, adjusted EBITDA declined 10.8% to US95 million dollars due to the lower margins year on year. Adjusted net income declined by a lower 5.8 percent to US62 million dollars aided by lower taxes and higher interest income. Speaker 400:22:46For the Speaker 300:22:479 months of 2023, revenue from omni channel CX Gross 4% to US219 $1,000,000 Revenue from sales and digital marketing services increased by 13% to US98 dollars Revenue from content shops and safety services was down 22% at US46 $1,000,000 due largely to a drop in volumes from a key For the 9 months of 2023, omni channel CX contributed 60% of our business, While sales and digital marketing stood at 27% and content trust and safety at 13%. Lastly, let me provide an update on our full year 2023 outlook. We have delivered a resilient set of results in line with our guidance. For the 9 months of 2023, we have reported a 7% growth in revenue in constant currency terms and adjusted EBITDA margins of 25.9%. Based on the near term visibility on value in Q4, twenty twenty three that reflects confirmed volume requirements, expected operational delivery And since the LNG and barring unforeseen significant events, we are reiterating our full year 2023 revenue growth We also reaffirm our full year 2023 adjusted EBITDA margins Approximately between 25% to 27%. Speaker 300:24:16We will share FY 'twenty four guidance where we next report our Q4 and full year results. With that, let me hand you back to Jason. Speaker 100:24:30Thank you. Thanks Mr. Chin Lohan for the presentation. We are now ready for the Q and As. May I ask that you limit yourself to 3 questions at each round, so we have a chance to sort of Take down the questions. Speaker 100:24:45Operator, please. Operator00:24:50Thank you very much. CGSCIMB, please go ahead. Speaker 500:25:26Hi, good morning management team. Thanks for taking my question. Speaker 200:25:30I Speaker 500:25:30have Two questions here. The first one is regarding the revenue slowdown in the Q3 of the year. This seems to be mainly driven by Your top two customers, based on my rough calculations, it seems that the revenue has fell 20% year on year here. Can you share more on what's happening here that results the advertising drop? Section number 2, I think Menta showed a return to growth for its digital advertising In the latest quarter, why hasn't that translated into your numbers? Speaker 500:26:00And based on your latest discussion with them, when can we see contributions from digital advertising clients Returning to growth. 3rd question, I think we see some bright spots here in terms of ex top five client performance. Maybe you can share some more colors on this. That will be very helpful. Thank you. Speaker 200:26:21Thank you, Casey. Appreciate the question. I'll answer both the revenue slowdown and the bright spot within The same answer then I can talk about any growth implied or announced by our digital advertising clients. So in terms of revenue slowdown, really, this is what it was expected and the reason we revised our guidance back in August. So some key clients, particularly our large digital advertising client has cut volumes. Speaker 200:26:56But if you exclude that top client, our revenues across all three segments would have grown in low teens. The clients outside the top 5 are So growing very well at 51% from Q3 'twenty three to Q3 'twenty two. But the impact, as you know, From the bigger client is the one causing that slowdown. So we're really in a situation where we have almost 2 different companies here, one that's Being impacted by some large clients who are restructuring, looking for efficiencies, and then we have a mix of New clients and existing clients who are growing at a very fast pace, and so we have to manage that operationally. In answering the brighter spots, we've brought in some exciting clients. Speaker 200:27:47We have some verticals that are doing well for us. Travel is Gaming is exploding. Tech is doing well. Health tech is a new sector, so that's exciting. I'm excited about the Global messaging platform that we've brought in, which has a great potential and it's a multi A purpose service that we provide, whether it's B2B support, technical support, but also content moderation, Another client in the e commerce side from Asia, another social media company that we're working with From Asian footprint, but also global footprint, Asia's preferred super app And more gaming, a new airline that we're bringing in as well. Speaker 200:28:37So quite excited, one of our tech clients as well Has some potential to grow. So it's more about the quality of those clients that So it's me and that I see as the bright spot. Now in terms of the second question about the digital advertising clients Announcing better performance, yes, it's good for them, and we're very happy, of course, to see this. It's However, a bit difficult to connect and map this with us. We don't own 100% of their business. Speaker 200:29:14We have one A percentage of it in specific service lines, specific geos, so from day 1 and I think now we've been publicly set for the past 2 years, We've had difficulties really connecting the dots between their performance, the macroeconomic performance and our Because a lot of things get in the way. But if you want to also look at the Q4 outlook, they remain a little bit cautious as well. So it's not impossible that those clients are not pressing on the accelerator pedal right now, watching and planning for next year. So from quarter to quarter, I wouldn't jump into making predictions, Watch it carefully and then see how things pan out next year. So I have, however, a sentiment that we've been under a Situation where there's been a lot of management reshuffle over the past 12 months, a bit of paralysis in making decisions That should be normalizing and I could expect that maybe clients are looking at 2024 with a bit more Stability, strategy, planning and decisions. Speaker 200:30:30So that's what I'm thinking of. I hope that answers the question. Speaker 500:30:38Thank you so much. Operator00:30:46Thank you very much. Thank you very much. We now have our next question from Ranjan Sharma from JPMorgan. Please go ahead. Speaker 600:31:03Hi, good morning team and thank you for the presentation. Just one question from my side. The headcount has come down. How should we think as About the growth opportunity, I mean could this be a leading indicator that you expect revenues To be under pressure in the coming periods is well that you are reducing the headcount? Thank you. Speaker 200:31:32Thank you, Arunjan. Look, the headcount reduction is absolutely directly related To the reduction in business volume as we announced we are minus 5.4%. So that Translating to reduce headcount invariably. So again, we have to be careful to look at it from quarter to quarter and not My predictions Q4 will also be a different quarter than Q3 was. There's some seasonality. Speaker 200:32:03So if I look at the headcount, I look at it from where we've been and we have quite a bit of flex In terms of hiring fast and also reducing our headcount fast as well. So Yes, I wouldn't put that as your leading indicator into reading into 2024, which I assume what you're asking right now. So we usually right size according to the business volumes and that's one of the strength and reasons why clients come to us, So it's really direct correlation between revenue and headcount sizing for TDCX. Speaker 600:32:50Thanks, Laurent. I mean, I appreciate that you've done a very efficient business. What I'm grappling with is that if you were expecting revenues to pick up, would you still cut headcount? So on the corollary of that or the corollary to that is that if you're reducing headcount, then you would expect Speaker 200:33:14No, I think we're sticking to our guidance of revenue for 2024, so we report to you the headcount we had in Q3, which we were cutting because So we started cutting before Q3 so that it looks like we have less headcount so that we meet our targets and meet our clients' requirements. But it's not like we're cutting headcount continuously. It's not a program of layoffs. It's rightsizing. So that's a continuous operational Method that we've been carrying out. Speaker 200:33:56So and as the business picks up, we'll be hiring more. So that's the logical Thank you, Ranjan. Operator00:34:22Thank you very much. We now have our next question from Han Tan from HSBC. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:34:31Thanks, management. Could I ask how much of this quarter's EBITDA margin improvement you attribute the FX effect Versus the other effects you mentioned like high utilization. So if FX turns, do you expect some Pleasure to these margins. Speaker 200:34:55Mr. Chin maybe could answer this question. Speaker 700:35:02Your question centers around how Speaker 400:35:04much is FX and how much is? How much of quarter on quarter EBITDA margin improvement is FX versus other factors? Speaker 300:35:23I would say Speaker 700:35:25not an awful lot because the FX in Q2 to Q3 was the movement was Not as apparent in the earlier 2 quarters or earlier Q1. So I would say it's to a lesser effect on that front, but more of the utilization Right sizing effects of the Paytel deployment And better I mean, enhanced performance because due to the right sizing of headcount, Calibration of people according to the business demand, it will be carrying more weight on that front, more effect on that front rather than the FX, which though it has a bit, it is not the main core issue for the period. Speaker 400:36:26Okay, thanks so much. I think my next question is on the quarter reduction in headcount. Is there a way that you could provide color in terms of geography or Speaker 200:36:43We don't really give a breakdown here Depending on the geos, but if I can maybe take your question a little bit further and say that Some of the clients have also been looking for cost reductions and have asked to move from some more Expensive locations to lower cost location. The good news is we have now a network of In geographies with different profiles and capabilities from a language and pricing and Technical capability point of view and we can offer these options, which was I think 2 years ago not the case. So we're pretty well Shielded and ready to deal with those challenges. And but yes, it depends really It's not uniform across the board. Look, we have the new geos who have grown 5 times compared to last year. Speaker 200:37:45That's So 9 different countries out of 16. So you would expect that those have progressed in terms of headcount, whilst The legacy larger geos where we operate from have been under a bit more pressure, and not all of them, some of them, right. I hope that answers the question. Speaker 400:38:09Then on that point on Shifting to lower cost locations, has that been a headwind to top line and if so, how much? Speaker 200:38:21Yes, it is definitely a headwind. It's unavoidable as a headwind to the top line. I cannot share the amount, But it's not terribly significant. It does have an impact, but it's not Probably worth mentioning in terms of value, but it's a natural progression of the way we're rebalancing Demand in a tough market environment, the macro is challenging, clients are quite price sensitive And we need to be able to offer them solutions. But it's training pretty fine and within our guidance once again Speaker 400:39:10If I could just squeeze in one question, could I ask about Lead time to sort of between headcount additions and ramp up, has that Timing changed since 2 years ago? Speaker 200:39:26No, no. This is still the same cycle of recruiting is More or less the same and the impact on revenue follows. So no major transformation here Within our operational model. Speaker 400:39:45Got it. Thanks, very helpful. Speaker 700:39:48Thank Speaker 200:39:52you, Speaker 100:39:58Okay. Thanks, Han. I think next we have a question from Jonathan Wu via the webcast from Philip. Moving into 2024, can we expect revenue growth Speaker 200:40:21Thank you, Jonathan. So well, it's early days at this point, and we I cannot comment really And to how 2024 will look like and we'll provide our guidance at the full year results soon. We are absolutely working on our forecast right now, discussing volumes with clients and planning. As you know, those large clients have a quite significant chunk of our business. So Definitely, if their growth is muted, then we'll be impacted, but it's too early to comment on this. Speaker 200:41:03On the other clients that we have, the smaller ones, same thing, I don't want to commit at this point, Although they would have logically faster growth profile than the top 2 and top 3. So it's a bit early to talk about this, but that's as far as I think I can go at this point. Operator00:41:37Thank you very much. We now have a follow-up question by Casey On from CJS CIMB. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:41:58Hi, thanks. In terms of guidance for FY 2023, I observed that you decided to Keep your full year guidance of about 2% to 4% in constant currency terms. I noticed that in 9 months This year, revenue growth on constant currency terms was already about 7%. So is this more of conservatism or are you Speaker 200:42:30Thank you, Casey. No, I think we've planned this pretty well. And as you can see, the first half, we were up 11%. But the 3rd quarter, we're down 5.4%. So we're pretty well tracking within the guidance that we've given 2% to 4%. Speaker 200:42:57So this is a year where the first half was stronger than the second half. And I guess every year is different, and we adapt Depending on how our business evolves, how our clients are behaving, how the macroeconomic environment behaves, but that's more or less the picture. So I think We're reiterating that guidance of 2.24 and I guess you can draw your own conclusions as to how Q4 is going to look like. Speaker 500:43:30Got it. And just wondering in terms of AI, yes, Can you talk a bit more about the latest monetization of this opportunity? Yes, any color would be helpful. Thank you. Great. Speaker 200:43:45Thank you for the question. So quite excited here. We are pursuing our journey with the TVCX AI, making great progress. As expected, as I said before, we use TD CX AI as a strategic advantage to strengthen our relationship with our clients, especially the larger clients. So we are continuously investing in that space. Speaker 200:44:12We've brought in 2 new professionals into the mix, I'm very happy with and we've continuously engaged with our clients. We continue to build interesting Products and prototypes, and I mentioned one of them in the call in terms of helping to accelerate our sales on digital marketing. But one that got me very excited as well was So one with Gen AI that we've done with OpenAI on knowledge base that we've improved from one of our airline clients, and it's a very exciting Use case at this point in terms of seeing the value it brings in adding more speed to proficiency. Monetization is still a long way away, if you want it in terms of value, But we're looking at different ways to monetize. 1, charging clients for strategic consulting fees, and we're seeing some traction in that Possibility, sharing of productivity gains over time, getting into outcome based pricing models, But also helping our employees to be more efficient and relevant to where we think The world is going to turn, which is going to be having to do more complex transactions. Speaker 200:45:48And as we said, from the day we went IPO, Automation will rid the business of the simple tasks and will continue to drive The more complex task to humans in the loop and so we focus on that. And so yes, I'm happy with that. I'm always never happy enough. It could go Faster, but it's we're in a good place. And I think what I like about is really The strategic intent not to confuse ourselves with the IT company, but more as a CX strategic advisor Leveraging AI for our clients in general. Speaker 500:46:34Got it. Thank you. Speaker 200:46:36Thank you, KC. Speaker 100:46:38Thanks, KC. I think that's all the questions we have on the call today. If you have any follow-up, please feel free to reach out to Investor Relations. On behalf of management, thank you for your time and for dialing in. Goodbye, and have a good day ahead. Operator00:46:59Thank you very much. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's call. Thank you for joining. You may now disconnect your lines.Read morePowered by