NYSEAMERICAN:CMT Core Molding Technologies Q3 2023 Earnings Report $15.66 +0.23 (+1.49%) As of 05/15/2025 04:10 PM Eastern Earnings HistoryForecast Core Molding Technologies EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.53Consensus EPS N/ABeat/MissN/AOne Year Ago EPSN/ACore Molding Technologies Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$86.73 millionExpected RevenueN/ABeat/MissN/AYoY Revenue GrowthN/ACore Molding Technologies Announcement DetailsQuarterQ3 2023Date11/7/2023TimeN/AConference Call DateTuesday, November 7, 2023Conference Call Time10:00AM ETConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Core Molding Technologies Q3 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrNovember 7, 2023 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 6 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good morning, everyone. Welcome to the Core Molding Technologies Third Quarter Fiscal 2023 Financial Results Conference Call. All participants will be in listen only mode. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. I will now turn the call over to Sandy Martin with 3 Part Advisors. Operator00:00:37Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:39Thank you, and good morning, everyone. We appreciate you joining us for Core Mouldings Technologies' conference call to review Q3 results for 2023. Joining me on the call today are The company's President and CEO, Dave Duvall and EVP and CFO, John Zimmer. This call is being webcast and can be accessed through coremt.com via an audio link on the Investor Relations, Events and Presentations page. Today's conference call, including the Q and A session, will be recorded. Speaker 100:01:11Please be advised that any time sensitive information may no longer be accurate as of the date of any replay or transcript reading. I would also like to remind you that the statements made in today's discussion that are not historical facts, Including statements or expectations or future events or future financial performance are forward looking statements and are made pursuant to the Safe Harbor Provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward looking statements by their nature are uncertain and outside of the company's Actual results may differ materially from those expressed or implied. Please refer to the earnings press release issued today for our disclosures on forward looking statements. These factors and other risks and uncertainties are described in detail in the company's filings with the Core Molding Technologies assumes no obligation to update or revise any forward looking statements publicly. Speaker 100:02:09Management will refer to non GAAP measures, including adjusted EPS, adjusted EBITDA, free cash flow and return Finally, a copy of the press release has also been submitted to the SEC on Form 8 ks. And now, I would like to turn the call over to Dave DuVall. Dave? Speaker 200:02:35Thank you, Sandy. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining our Q3 earnings call. Let me start today's call with a couple of accomplishments This award demonstrates our systematic approach to environmental stewardship and it directly supports Core's value proposition to our customers that are driving to accurately quantify and reduce their Scope 3 greenhouse gas emissions. We believe this is a visible reminder of our responsibility to our employees, communities and the environment. We were also one of 6 finalists In the award for Composites Excellence Competition at this year's annual CAM X or Composites and Advanced Material Expo in Atlanta. Speaker 200:03:25The award recognizes the unique proprietary engineering technology we use to produce one of our customers' It demonstrates our ability to combine different composite materials and molded in features to optimize the design for improved performance and cost. These are important recognitions of Core Molding strong value proposition through our technical solutions and sustainability efforts that we are continually strengthening in our organization. As always, I want to thank our hardworking team of talented people for executing Core's shared vision for growth and driving improvements and our business every single day. Our most important competitive advantage is our talented team working together in a culture that values transparency, Learning and openness to challenge. This makes a difference and we continually and purposely drive this culture within our organization. Speaker 200:04:22Our team strives every day to execute the company's 4 strategic initiatives: 1, driving revenue growth 2, technical solution sales 3, enhancing profitability and 4, generating cash flow. Along those lines, I'd like to report that our must win battle to significant operational improvements in specific plans will be complete this year. We've achieved a 19% overall productivity improvement by October and will achieve the targeted 20% by year end. With all facilities operating well, it now accelerates our ability Strategic importance of the Muslin battle this year, it directly improved our gross margins, which were challenged a year ago. It provided additional capacity in those locations by improving the throughput. Speaker 200:05:20It put all locations at a level of performance that allows us to Implement a holistic operational excellence process to better leverage our knowledge. And 4, it allowed us to key technical resources to better execute and integrate an acquisition in 2024, which is a goal. Having the necessary technical resources and a common business excellence system will significantly improve our ability to quickly execute and efficiently integrate an acquisition. I believe this is a clear example of our organizational ability to execute our key strategic initiatives, which in turn creates improved performance across all areas of the organization. Turning to our 3rd quarter results. Speaker 200:06:05As we discussed earlier this year, our 2022 Q3 product sales were up over 36% over 2021. So we anticipated that second half twenty twenty three product sales would likely return to historical seasonality And they did. Although our 3rd quarter product sales of $80,900,000 were down 12.4% From prior year, this does not tell the whole story. John will add details to this in a moment, but I would like to make some initial comments. Despite lower fixed cost leverage, this was one of our key focus areas in 2023. Speaker 200:06:54And I believe This Q3 results proves that our business transformation is enhancing the strength and resiliency of the business. Our gross margin improvements this year are the direct result of purposely executing our strategy. Although revenue growth is always an important deliverable, we are also laser focused on driving profitability through enhanced margins, Operational efficiencies and better capacity management, while also winning technical solution sales for the future. We produce single source Tooled products for our customers on multi year production programs structured to deliver revenues, improved margins and incremental cash flow for several years. Most of us suspected that continually rising interest rates were going to affect the demand at some point and we believe we are well prepared to take advantage of it financially, operationally and strategically. Speaker 200:07:52Specifically on sales growth, our technical solutions team signed new contracts during the 1st 9 months of this year that will contribute annualized revenue from new and replacement work totaling approximately $50,000,000 with planned launches primarily in 2024 through 2026. These programs relate to new and reoccurring customers in end markets including Building products, industrial, transportation and powersports. Full volume levels for these programs will ramp up over the next several years. We continue to see a solid pipeline of opportunities similar to the current opportunities we signed this year, which reinforces our long term sales growth potential. We are excited to tool and launch these programs, especially since they further expand our business into diverse and growing end markets with engineered solutions. Speaker 200:08:46Finally, regarding our sustainability efforts, we are currently partnering with a customer to install full regrind and material processing systems to systems to reclaim raw material from our production process at our Matamoros, Mexico plant. This process will reduce both our waste and cost, while providing a value and reduced cost to our customer. Based on our production plans over the next several years, this will reclaim over £1,000,000 of raw material. We continue to work with customers to use or increase our usage of recycled material or develop recyclable solutions from a conversion away from traditional materials. We have aligned our strategies to provide technical and unique solutions to customers by deploying our extensive portfolio of processes. Speaker 200:09:35This expertise and capacity are important to our long standing blue chip customers who rely on us as their single source supplier of critical components. With that, I'd now like to turn it over to John to cover the financials in more detail. Speaker 300:10:01Thank you, Dave, and good morning, everyone. As we noted last quarter, a return to more historical seasonality impacted the 3rd quarter's top line. Combining the 36.5 percent product revenue increase from last year with our 12.4% decline this year, product revenues are still up approximately 20% from 2021 levels. Last year, we saw customers rebuilding depleted inventories against higher demand. This year, their inventory levels are more optimal, where in certain industries in overbuilt position and customers are working through those inventories. Speaker 300:10:36Our product sales by end market this quarter include increases in medium and heavy duty trucks, where production levels remained strong, while other sectors were down due to management of inventory levels and macroeconomic impacts. Our ongoing industry diversification efforts are working as planned as we have taken advantage of changing demand by industry and minimize the impact of any one industry to the company's overall revenue. Our trailing 12 month adjusted EBITDA through the Q3 totaled $41,800,000 Another notch higher than last quarter's TTM and the highest ever in the company's history. This continues to give us further conviction that our intentional focus on operational improvement is progressing. I want to congratulate our team on their hard work this last quarter and this year. Speaker 300:11:30Turning to our financial results. 3rd quarter 2023 net sales were $86,700,000 compared to $101,600,000 a year ago. Product sales were down 12.4%, largely based on our discussion around difficult comparisons coupled with a return to more historical Seasonality this year. Gross profit for the 3rd quarter rose to $15,300,000 or 17.6 percent of sales, compared to $13,300,000 or 13.1 percent of sales in the prior year quarter. As Dave mentioned, this was a 4 50 basis point improvement over the prior year. Speaker 300:12:09During the 2023 Q3, material cost and production efficiencies positively impacted gross margins, which were offset somewhat by foreign currency and fixed cost leverage. We continue to see the weaker U. S. Dollar against the peso in the Q3 compared to last year at this time, which had a negative impact of 90 basis points on gross margin. As previously noted, we actively hedged a portion of our foreign currency exposure, but overall, We're still impacted by the stronger Mexican peso. Speaker 300:12:45Selling, general and administrative expenses for the quarter were $9,400,000 compared to 8 point of $7,000,000 in the prior year. The increase was mostly due to a one time press move cost of $540,000 in This is being launched in Monterey in 2024. This increases the size of the Monterey facility to 6 presses, doubling the number of presses since the acquisition in 2018. Company reported operating income of $5,900,000 or 6.8 Compared to the year ago quarter, net interest expense has decreased 63% as this year's focus on operational improvements has generated free cash flows to allow us to eliminate borrowing on our line of credit and to earn interest income on our cash reserves. Our effective tax rate for the Q3 was 24.1%, which primarily consists of the weighted tax costs from the 3 tax jurisdictions where we operate. Speaker 300:13:59Net income was $4,400,000 or $0.49 per diluted share versus last year's diluted EPS of $0.16 Excluding the one time press move costs this year and excluding our one time loss from and the year ago quarter. Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter was $9,800,000 or 11.3 percent of sales, up 300 basis points from prior year EBITDA margin of 8.3%. We are pleased with our year over year improvements and gross margin, operating income, EPS and adjusted EBITDA based on our actions and strategic initiatives. Our GAAP to non GAAP reconciliation tables can be found at the end of our press release. Now turning to results for the 9 months ended September 30. Speaker 300:14:56Net sales were $284,000,000 down 2.4% versus a year ago and product sales were essentially flat versus the prior year period. Gross margin was $53,600,000 or 18.9 percent of sales compared to $40,900,000 or 14.1 percent of sales in the year ago period. For the 1st 9 months, margin improvements were primarily due to production efficiencies and favorable net customer pricing and raw material costs. SG and A expenses were $29,600,000 compared to $25,900,000 in the prior year period, largely driven by higher labor costs and bonus costs due to the company's improved performance in 2023. Operating income for the 1st 9 months was $24,000,000 up 60% from 2022 levels. Speaker 300:15:44Net income was $18,100,000 or $2.08 per diluted share, compared to $7,400,000 or $0.87 per diluted share in the comparable year period. Adjusted EBITDA was $35,800,000 or 12.6 Looking forward to the Q4, we are expecting the company's revenues to soften versus the prior year based on recent industry projections, mostly around transportation customer forecasts, which include ongoing inventory rationalization activity Impacts from the United Auto Workers Strikes, which has impacted demand for end products we produce for GM and Ford as well as the UAW strike at the Mack division of Volvo Mack, which still has not been resolved. A return to our customers' end market demand. Company currently projects 4th quarter revenues to be down as much as 15% to was down 5% to 10% compared to 2022 levels. We anticipate that 4th quarter gross margins to be impacted by product mix, Shifts from seasonal changes in volume and lower fixed cost leverage, which we expect will produce a full year gross margin in the range of 17.5% to 18.5%, compared to the full year 2022 gross margin of 13.9%. Speaker 300:17:29Turning now to the company's financial position, starting with a discussion of cash flow. The company's cash provided by operating activity was $26,100,000 for the 9 months ended September 30, 2023, compared to $8,500,000 for the same period of 2022. Our 2023 focus on operational improvements, which has resulted in higher profitability, has also flowed through to our cash flow generation as we expected would occur. Capital expenditures for the year so far were $6,800,000 and free cash flows for the 1st 9 months of 2023 were $19,300,000 We expect to continue to generate free cash flows for the remainder of the year as operating cash flow should outpace capital expenditures and working capital continues to be managed carefully. We now expect 2023, 'twenty three capital expenditures in the range of $9,000,000 to $11,000,000 for the year. Speaker 300:18:26At September 30, the company had available liquidity of $68,000,000 which includes Cash and cash equivalents of $18,000,000 $15,000,000 available under the revolver and capital credit lines. The company's term debt was $23,300,000 at the end of September and our debt to trailing 12 months EBITDA ratio was 0.56 times. Our working capital continues to be well managed and netted to $49,000,000 as of the end of September. Finally, our return on capital employed, a pre tax return metric, was 17.2% on a trailing 12 month basis, which is above our targeted range of 14% to 16%. We are pleased with our ability to generate good returns and cash flows, while maintaining a strong balance sheet and ample liquidity to fund the business and make strategic Our full attention remains on the 4 strategic growth initiatives that Dave mentioned earlier. Speaker 300:19:22And as we have talked about, all our goals, objectives Our operational performance enhancements are established and we continue to work on continuous improvement initiatives. As we continue to evaluate acquisitions, we carefully consider how to diversify our customer base, augment our processes and footprint and add capacity in a changing economic environment. Our entire team continues to focus on growth and profitability goals that build long term shareholder value and generate cash flows. With that, I would like to turn it back to Dave for some final comments. Thank you, John. Speaker 200:20:00A few comments on our outlook for 2024. Our goal is to continue to focus on revenue diversification in industries that value engineered solutions to continually enhance our margins. Based on our earlier information for 2024, we anticipate a continuation of macroeconomic headwinds, truck cyclicality and the end of life of Certain programs could negatively impact revenues compared to 2023. Industry projections for 2024 in the North American Class 8 truck market, which still makes up approximately half of our revenue, forecast a cyclical correction compared to have reduced our exposure to the truck market cycles, but with higher interest rates, we anticipate a downward impact on our customers' demand. It has to at some point. Speaker 200:20:57We expect to adjust our cost structure based on anticipated sales projections, consolidate operational improvements and seek attractive acquisitions to continually support our diversified growth goals. We also want to take full advantage of various industries that require new or better solutions, including opportunities arising from government funded infrastructure projects and government driven sustainability strategies. We still believe in our long term goals As we provide products and services that have growing long term demand across many industries, we believe there will be increased Demand driven by on shoring of manufacturing, U. S. Infrastructure improvements and overall industry growth over the next several years. Speaker 200:21:43As discussed last quarter, we are finalizing our acquisition strategy, timing and M and A pipeline. Given the size of our company, it's important that we set the appropriate acquisition criteria and carefully analyze valuations against our strategic requirements. As stated earlier, we have strategically prepared our organization for growth by acquisition and we are excited about the timing. We have communicated to investors in the past that we plan to further diversify the industries we serve, add capacity and Our process offerings through an acquisition while not overleveraging the company, especially in a challenging macroeconomic environment. We will also use our capital to continue to invest in our people, operational improvements with a focus on increasing automation and technical capabilities in both sales and engineering. Speaker 200:22:40Our must win battle this year has been about fixing Some known challenges in core sheet molding compound plants to gain immediate margin improvements and more importantly to prepare the organization for the future. With these systematic improvements in place, we can now focus on scaling our operational excellence systems across all locations. This is a foundational step in increasing current machine and technical resource capacity before investing for the next level of growth. In summary, improving gross margin by 4.50 basis points, Recording our highest historical adjusted EBITDA dollar on a TTM basis and creating an organization that is well positioned for significant growth, We are pleased with our Q3 results and excited for the future. We believe that by continually investing in our people And relentlessly executing our strategy, we will accelerate a long term value creation. Speaker 200:23:40Finally, We plan to present and host meetings with investors in Dallas on November 15 as part of the Southwest Ideas Conference. Please reach out to us or 3 part advisors if you would like a follow-up call. With that, I'd like to open the line for questions. Operator00:24:39Please Speaker 400:24:43standby. Operator00:24:50And ladies and gentlemen, our first question today comes from Tim Moore with EF Hutton. Please go Speaker 400:24:55ahead. Thanks. It's really helpful your commentary. When do you think you might know the full impact of the UAW strikes on your sales? I mean, it's impressive that you can still maintain your gross margin guidance range for this year despite that drag, but do you think you won't know the full impact of late December? Speaker 300:25:14Yes. Tim, I think one of the pieces of that is to recognize that We deal on auto, but we also the UAW is actually on strike with Mack, which is a major division of Volvo, which It's one of our major customers and so they have not settled their strike at this point and so we're watching that. The stuff We do in auto has been I think the auto guys are back to work. They're building kind of ramping back up. And Fair enough. Speaker 200:26:05In talking with Volvo, they're doing everything they can to continue producing and driving that forward. But Right now, we know what the roadblock is and until they resolve the strike, it's they're at a point now where they don't have engines. Speaker 400:26:22Yes. I'm just kind of curious, I mean, I try not to ask theoretical questions, but if there wasn't a UAW strike, do you think you still would have expected flat product sales And do you think you can recover some of those Mac sales in March quarter? Speaker 300:26:38Yes. Again, I think we would hope that Mac can recover those sales in the industry. And so we think that the UAW strike in Q3 or sorry, Q4 probably has somewhere between $2,000,000 $4,000,000 of sales impact on us. So again, Part of that depends on when they actually settle the strike or if MAX settles the strike and timing, but we kind of estimate it was somewhere between $2,000,000 $4,000,000 Speaker 400:27:08That's helpful. And John, I know you mentioned on the August conference Call that there was the variable compensation that caused an uptick in SG and A expense. I mean, how should we think about SG and A expense as a percentage of sales Going forward, I know it was running 2.7% to 2.8% the past two quarters, but it's typically 9.5% to 10%. Speaker 300:27:30Yes, I think if you back out our compensation again this quarter, we were going to be around 8.5 $5,000,000 of SG and A again this quarter, which is consistent with the other quarters. Now that does include the $500,000 of Press move, that's a one time move to get a press down to Monterey as that plans launch in some new programs next year. And so without that, we are probably running around $8,000,000 of SG and A costs for the quarter versus $8,500,000 1st two quarters, if you back out our bonus impact, long term as we move forward, we continue to look at that. We always try to target that around 10% and so if sales are down a little bit, we try to recognize that and make adjustments to the G and A as we go forward. So but right now, we're probably running between $8,000,000 $8,500,000 a quarter is where we're at Without bonus. Speaker 400:28:30That's helpful. My next question is, I mean, how far along do you think you are on Selling price improvement, I mean, is that those prices fully implemented as of today or are you kind of the 6th inning on that for the company wide? Speaker 200:28:46Yes. We still have one other contract that we're working on and we'll finalize that this year, beginning of next year. Speaker 400:28:55Okay. The rest have been pretty much implemented on a rolling basis the past few quarters. Speaker 200:28:59Yes. So we've been through all the other contracts. Speaker 400:29:10Actually, two more questions for Dave. What would you say you're kind of adding you might be in, not to use the baseball metaphor too long, On operational efficiency improvements, I saw you hit at that new board member appointment. It looks like Sal had some more operational manufacturing experience in Canada and Mexico. But How far along do you think you are on the operational efficiency improvements? And when do you think you'll be done? Speaker 200:29:35Yes. So we'll be done when we talk about the must win battle that was the focus on the 3 SMC plants, really focusing on 2 of them majority wise. That was predicted or forecasted 20% improvement. So we'll have that we're at that now. So really what we're moving into is A corporate wide continuous improvement and consolidating those. Speaker 200:29:57So, it will be ongoing, but It's not 20% per year per plan. Speaker 400:30:04That's helpful color. And then my last question is, you mentioned some commentary a little bit about this in your opening remarks, About acquisitions, just can you just remind us, is still a capital allocation priority for And what are you kind of seeing out there? Do you think you're going to have to probably do acquisitions to acquire 5 to 7 presses or given that there's such a long wait list and not much availability for new presses? Speaker 200:30:30Yes. That's a big point relative to if you're trying to install the So really what we're looking at is, I guess I'd call bolt on or tuck in acquisitions anywhere up to say $30,000,000 $40,000,000 and It's really about what sales channels can we get similar to what we did with the previous acquisitions because then we're able to also cross sell and So multiple composites into that customer through our other processes and products. Speaker 400:31:06Great. That was very helpful. Thanks a lot, Steve and John, and I'll hand it back over to the operator. Speaker 200:31:12Thanks, Tim. Operator00:31:14Thank you. And our next question comes from Jeff Geygan with Global Value Investment Corp. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:31:27I'm curious, what type of visibility do you have into your Customers inventory levels? Speaker 300:31:34I don't know that we would say we have a direct visibility. We don't have data sets Go directly into them and so a lot of it is demand feedback that we're getting. They do provide us EDI data out into the future. I think we've talked about that before EDDI as you get out past a month gets a little bit, it can change. It's not guaranteed one way or the other. Speaker 300:31:54And so What we do know is that some customers during this quarter have come to us and said we got ahead of ourselves and so we aren't taking As much product at least in this quarter and maybe a little bit into the Q1 next year. Now again, what we Stay close to them as we're hoping the nice thing is that this is a short term issue for them. They'll get through that inventory and they'll start taking sales again. And so it's a period of time that will work itself out. It's not that sales have gone away, it's just really Correction for a period of time. Speaker 300:32:31So we'll work with them and hopefully get through this and then be back on with those in the Q1 next year, sometime in Speaker 200:32:38the Q1 next year going into the second. Yes. And it's a good point. It's when you see it, It's on the especially when you start looking at industrial and utilities because you have such a long supply chain between inventory at our location, inventory at the job sites and So I think at the end of the year, they had looked at what their inventory levels throughout that supply chain and had made a correction, But the business is still there. I think it's more a matter of adjusting our inventories at the end of the year. Speaker 500:33:13All right. Appreciate it. You've talked repeatedly about reducing your exposure to truck. I think the last time you reported out that might have been 44% of revs. Where is that today and what do you expect that trend to look like on a forward basis? Speaker 200:33:27Yes. It will continue. I mean, it's part of the strategy. It will vary between 44% up to say 54% depending on the sales that we see in the other channels, Especially when you start seeing personal watercraft at the beginning of the year, that picks up at the beginning of the year and trails off at the end of the year, same with building products. Speaker 300:33:47And I think, Jeff, one of the pieces of that is our long term strategy in truck was never to get out. It was to do just profitable business. I think as we came out of the turnaround, we realized that we had added on business that we just couldn't get to profitability. And we really think we've fixed the majority of that. Dave mentioned we have one contract we're still working on that gets a little bit of additional pricing hopefully that we're Actively working on right now. Speaker 300:34:15So long term, where we are as truck is, we're bidding on new programs with truck. It's just we're We've got a different mindset than we did probably 5 years ago. We're looking to do profitable business with contracts that aren't one-sided We really think are good for both business partners. And so I think our truck business, it's really just has changed strategy versus Us totally getting out to change in strategy that we'll only do stuff that we think we can make good money on. Speaker 500:34:44Thank you. With your Q4 guide of revenues down 15% to 20%, John, I thought you said your fiscal year At that point, down roughly 5% to 10%. You anticipated maintaining your gross margin in the 17.5% to 18.5% range. What does that imply for your gross margin in Q4? Speaker 300:35:06I mean, I think if you do the math, it probably puts us at a gross margin 13.5% to 14.5%, and a little bit of that's just going to be leverage. We are starting to reduce We've always talked about what we can do as our variable cost is somewhere between 60%, 70% of our cost structure. And so we are able to reduce material price and material costs very quickly. Direct labor comes next We've been moving very quickly on some of that, taking some time off at the plants where they take a week down, those types of things, so we can reduce that cost. But the one piece that takes a little bit more of a long term and really we wouldn't reduce unless we think we got a long Term problem is the fixed cost and we won't adjust that very significantly because we really think long term the company is going to continue to grow and we don't want Probably lost leverage in Q4 is more of the issue than anything else that's hurting the margin in Q4. Speaker 500:36:17And last question, when do you anticipate providing guidance for 2024 or beyond? Speaker 300:36:27Yes. So 2024, we're still getting a lot of data in. I think at the time we released the Your first or not Q1, but our year end results, which would be early March, we would have it. If there's anything significant That were warranted before that, we would definitely come back out and do a discussion in between. But where we are right now is we have a lot of customers telling us that they They're watching the economy as much as us. Speaker 300:36:58I got Polaris, which is one of our major customers Deck right in front of me and they came out and said they're watching the retail demand situation going In the United States right now or North America. So I think we will have better data by the time we do the 10 ks, the earnings release that you're in around March. But again, if there's something major between now and then, we would definitely come out and tell you guys. Speaker 500:37:24Yes, I appreciate that. I have to say, You've done exactly what you've said you intended to do with your 4 pillars. Your execution has been excellent. I look forward to seeing what you do when you begin making some acquisitions. So thanks for the commentary today. Speaker 500:37:43I thought it was very good and good luck as you go forward. Speaker 300:37:47Thanks, Jeff. Thanks. Operator00:37:49Thank you. And ladies and gentlemen, that's all the time we have for question and answer session today. So I'd like to turn the conference back over to the management team for any final remarks. Speaker 200:38:03Thank you for joining our conference call and we look forward to the next call in March. Thank you. Operator00:38:10Thank you, sir. This concludes today's conference call. We thank you all for attending today's presentation. 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Email Address About Core Molding TechnologiesCore Molding Technologies (NYSEAMERICAN:CMT), together with its subsidiaries, operates as a molder of thermoplastic and thermoset structural products. The company offers a range of manufacturing processes that include compression molding of sheet molding compound, resin transfer molding, liquid molding of dicyclopentadiene, spray-up and hand-lay-up, direct long-fiber thermoplastics, and structural foam and structural web injection molding. It serves various markets, including medium and heavy-duty truck, automotive, power sport, construction, building products, industrial, utilities, and other commercial markets in the United States, Mexico, Canada, and internationally. The company was formerly known as Core Materials Corporation and changed its name to Core Molding Technologies, Inc. in August 2002. 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There are 6 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good morning, everyone. Welcome to the Core Molding Technologies Third Quarter Fiscal 2023 Financial Results Conference Call. All participants will be in listen only mode. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. I will now turn the call over to Sandy Martin with 3 Part Advisors. Operator00:00:37Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:39Thank you, and good morning, everyone. We appreciate you joining us for Core Mouldings Technologies' conference call to review Q3 results for 2023. Joining me on the call today are The company's President and CEO, Dave Duvall and EVP and CFO, John Zimmer. This call is being webcast and can be accessed through coremt.com via an audio link on the Investor Relations, Events and Presentations page. Today's conference call, including the Q and A session, will be recorded. Speaker 100:01:11Please be advised that any time sensitive information may no longer be accurate as of the date of any replay or transcript reading. I would also like to remind you that the statements made in today's discussion that are not historical facts, Including statements or expectations or future events or future financial performance are forward looking statements and are made pursuant to the Safe Harbor Provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward looking statements by their nature are uncertain and outside of the company's Actual results may differ materially from those expressed or implied. Please refer to the earnings press release issued today for our disclosures on forward looking statements. These factors and other risks and uncertainties are described in detail in the company's filings with the Core Molding Technologies assumes no obligation to update or revise any forward looking statements publicly. Speaker 100:02:09Management will refer to non GAAP measures, including adjusted EPS, adjusted EBITDA, free cash flow and return Finally, a copy of the press release has also been submitted to the SEC on Form 8 ks. And now, I would like to turn the call over to Dave DuVall. Dave? Speaker 200:02:35Thank you, Sandy. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining our Q3 earnings call. Let me start today's call with a couple of accomplishments This award demonstrates our systematic approach to environmental stewardship and it directly supports Core's value proposition to our customers that are driving to accurately quantify and reduce their Scope 3 greenhouse gas emissions. We believe this is a visible reminder of our responsibility to our employees, communities and the environment. We were also one of 6 finalists In the award for Composites Excellence Competition at this year's annual CAM X or Composites and Advanced Material Expo in Atlanta. Speaker 200:03:25The award recognizes the unique proprietary engineering technology we use to produce one of our customers' It demonstrates our ability to combine different composite materials and molded in features to optimize the design for improved performance and cost. These are important recognitions of Core Molding strong value proposition through our technical solutions and sustainability efforts that we are continually strengthening in our organization. As always, I want to thank our hardworking team of talented people for executing Core's shared vision for growth and driving improvements and our business every single day. Our most important competitive advantage is our talented team working together in a culture that values transparency, Learning and openness to challenge. This makes a difference and we continually and purposely drive this culture within our organization. Speaker 200:04:22Our team strives every day to execute the company's 4 strategic initiatives: 1, driving revenue growth 2, technical solution sales 3, enhancing profitability and 4, generating cash flow. Along those lines, I'd like to report that our must win battle to significant operational improvements in specific plans will be complete this year. We've achieved a 19% overall productivity improvement by October and will achieve the targeted 20% by year end. With all facilities operating well, it now accelerates our ability Strategic importance of the Muslin battle this year, it directly improved our gross margins, which were challenged a year ago. It provided additional capacity in those locations by improving the throughput. Speaker 200:05:20It put all locations at a level of performance that allows us to Implement a holistic operational excellence process to better leverage our knowledge. And 4, it allowed us to key technical resources to better execute and integrate an acquisition in 2024, which is a goal. Having the necessary technical resources and a common business excellence system will significantly improve our ability to quickly execute and efficiently integrate an acquisition. I believe this is a clear example of our organizational ability to execute our key strategic initiatives, which in turn creates improved performance across all areas of the organization. Turning to our 3rd quarter results. Speaker 200:06:05As we discussed earlier this year, our 2022 Q3 product sales were up over 36% over 2021. So we anticipated that second half twenty twenty three product sales would likely return to historical seasonality And they did. Although our 3rd quarter product sales of $80,900,000 were down 12.4% From prior year, this does not tell the whole story. John will add details to this in a moment, but I would like to make some initial comments. Despite lower fixed cost leverage, this was one of our key focus areas in 2023. Speaker 200:06:54And I believe This Q3 results proves that our business transformation is enhancing the strength and resiliency of the business. Our gross margin improvements this year are the direct result of purposely executing our strategy. Although revenue growth is always an important deliverable, we are also laser focused on driving profitability through enhanced margins, Operational efficiencies and better capacity management, while also winning technical solution sales for the future. We produce single source Tooled products for our customers on multi year production programs structured to deliver revenues, improved margins and incremental cash flow for several years. Most of us suspected that continually rising interest rates were going to affect the demand at some point and we believe we are well prepared to take advantage of it financially, operationally and strategically. Speaker 200:07:52Specifically on sales growth, our technical solutions team signed new contracts during the 1st 9 months of this year that will contribute annualized revenue from new and replacement work totaling approximately $50,000,000 with planned launches primarily in 2024 through 2026. These programs relate to new and reoccurring customers in end markets including Building products, industrial, transportation and powersports. Full volume levels for these programs will ramp up over the next several years. We continue to see a solid pipeline of opportunities similar to the current opportunities we signed this year, which reinforces our long term sales growth potential. We are excited to tool and launch these programs, especially since they further expand our business into diverse and growing end markets with engineered solutions. Speaker 200:08:46Finally, regarding our sustainability efforts, we are currently partnering with a customer to install full regrind and material processing systems to systems to reclaim raw material from our production process at our Matamoros, Mexico plant. This process will reduce both our waste and cost, while providing a value and reduced cost to our customer. Based on our production plans over the next several years, this will reclaim over £1,000,000 of raw material. We continue to work with customers to use or increase our usage of recycled material or develop recyclable solutions from a conversion away from traditional materials. We have aligned our strategies to provide technical and unique solutions to customers by deploying our extensive portfolio of processes. Speaker 200:09:35This expertise and capacity are important to our long standing blue chip customers who rely on us as their single source supplier of critical components. With that, I'd now like to turn it over to John to cover the financials in more detail. Speaker 300:10:01Thank you, Dave, and good morning, everyone. As we noted last quarter, a return to more historical seasonality impacted the 3rd quarter's top line. Combining the 36.5 percent product revenue increase from last year with our 12.4% decline this year, product revenues are still up approximately 20% from 2021 levels. Last year, we saw customers rebuilding depleted inventories against higher demand. This year, their inventory levels are more optimal, where in certain industries in overbuilt position and customers are working through those inventories. Speaker 300:10:36Our product sales by end market this quarter include increases in medium and heavy duty trucks, where production levels remained strong, while other sectors were down due to management of inventory levels and macroeconomic impacts. Our ongoing industry diversification efforts are working as planned as we have taken advantage of changing demand by industry and minimize the impact of any one industry to the company's overall revenue. Our trailing 12 month adjusted EBITDA through the Q3 totaled $41,800,000 Another notch higher than last quarter's TTM and the highest ever in the company's history. This continues to give us further conviction that our intentional focus on operational improvement is progressing. I want to congratulate our team on their hard work this last quarter and this year. Speaker 300:11:30Turning to our financial results. 3rd quarter 2023 net sales were $86,700,000 compared to $101,600,000 a year ago. Product sales were down 12.4%, largely based on our discussion around difficult comparisons coupled with a return to more historical Seasonality this year. Gross profit for the 3rd quarter rose to $15,300,000 or 17.6 percent of sales, compared to $13,300,000 or 13.1 percent of sales in the prior year quarter. As Dave mentioned, this was a 4 50 basis point improvement over the prior year. Speaker 300:12:09During the 2023 Q3, material cost and production efficiencies positively impacted gross margins, which were offset somewhat by foreign currency and fixed cost leverage. We continue to see the weaker U. S. Dollar against the peso in the Q3 compared to last year at this time, which had a negative impact of 90 basis points on gross margin. As previously noted, we actively hedged a portion of our foreign currency exposure, but overall, We're still impacted by the stronger Mexican peso. Speaker 300:12:45Selling, general and administrative expenses for the quarter were $9,400,000 compared to 8 point of $7,000,000 in the prior year. The increase was mostly due to a one time press move cost of $540,000 in This is being launched in Monterey in 2024. This increases the size of the Monterey facility to 6 presses, doubling the number of presses since the acquisition in 2018. Company reported operating income of $5,900,000 or 6.8 Compared to the year ago quarter, net interest expense has decreased 63% as this year's focus on operational improvements has generated free cash flows to allow us to eliminate borrowing on our line of credit and to earn interest income on our cash reserves. Our effective tax rate for the Q3 was 24.1%, which primarily consists of the weighted tax costs from the 3 tax jurisdictions where we operate. Speaker 300:13:59Net income was $4,400,000 or $0.49 per diluted share versus last year's diluted EPS of $0.16 Excluding the one time press move costs this year and excluding our one time loss from and the year ago quarter. Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter was $9,800,000 or 11.3 percent of sales, up 300 basis points from prior year EBITDA margin of 8.3%. We are pleased with our year over year improvements and gross margin, operating income, EPS and adjusted EBITDA based on our actions and strategic initiatives. Our GAAP to non GAAP reconciliation tables can be found at the end of our press release. Now turning to results for the 9 months ended September 30. Speaker 300:14:56Net sales were $284,000,000 down 2.4% versus a year ago and product sales were essentially flat versus the prior year period. Gross margin was $53,600,000 or 18.9 percent of sales compared to $40,900,000 or 14.1 percent of sales in the year ago period. For the 1st 9 months, margin improvements were primarily due to production efficiencies and favorable net customer pricing and raw material costs. SG and A expenses were $29,600,000 compared to $25,900,000 in the prior year period, largely driven by higher labor costs and bonus costs due to the company's improved performance in 2023. Operating income for the 1st 9 months was $24,000,000 up 60% from 2022 levels. Speaker 300:15:44Net income was $18,100,000 or $2.08 per diluted share, compared to $7,400,000 or $0.87 per diluted share in the comparable year period. Adjusted EBITDA was $35,800,000 or 12.6 Looking forward to the Q4, we are expecting the company's revenues to soften versus the prior year based on recent industry projections, mostly around transportation customer forecasts, which include ongoing inventory rationalization activity Impacts from the United Auto Workers Strikes, which has impacted demand for end products we produce for GM and Ford as well as the UAW strike at the Mack division of Volvo Mack, which still has not been resolved. A return to our customers' end market demand. Company currently projects 4th quarter revenues to be down as much as 15% to was down 5% to 10% compared to 2022 levels. We anticipate that 4th quarter gross margins to be impacted by product mix, Shifts from seasonal changes in volume and lower fixed cost leverage, which we expect will produce a full year gross margin in the range of 17.5% to 18.5%, compared to the full year 2022 gross margin of 13.9%. Speaker 300:17:29Turning now to the company's financial position, starting with a discussion of cash flow. The company's cash provided by operating activity was $26,100,000 for the 9 months ended September 30, 2023, compared to $8,500,000 for the same period of 2022. Our 2023 focus on operational improvements, which has resulted in higher profitability, has also flowed through to our cash flow generation as we expected would occur. Capital expenditures for the year so far were $6,800,000 and free cash flows for the 1st 9 months of 2023 were $19,300,000 We expect to continue to generate free cash flows for the remainder of the year as operating cash flow should outpace capital expenditures and working capital continues to be managed carefully. We now expect 2023, 'twenty three capital expenditures in the range of $9,000,000 to $11,000,000 for the year. Speaker 300:18:26At September 30, the company had available liquidity of $68,000,000 which includes Cash and cash equivalents of $18,000,000 $15,000,000 available under the revolver and capital credit lines. The company's term debt was $23,300,000 at the end of September and our debt to trailing 12 months EBITDA ratio was 0.56 times. Our working capital continues to be well managed and netted to $49,000,000 as of the end of September. Finally, our return on capital employed, a pre tax return metric, was 17.2% on a trailing 12 month basis, which is above our targeted range of 14% to 16%. We are pleased with our ability to generate good returns and cash flows, while maintaining a strong balance sheet and ample liquidity to fund the business and make strategic Our full attention remains on the 4 strategic growth initiatives that Dave mentioned earlier. Speaker 300:19:22And as we have talked about, all our goals, objectives Our operational performance enhancements are established and we continue to work on continuous improvement initiatives. As we continue to evaluate acquisitions, we carefully consider how to diversify our customer base, augment our processes and footprint and add capacity in a changing economic environment. Our entire team continues to focus on growth and profitability goals that build long term shareholder value and generate cash flows. With that, I would like to turn it back to Dave for some final comments. Thank you, John. Speaker 200:20:00A few comments on our outlook for 2024. Our goal is to continue to focus on revenue diversification in industries that value engineered solutions to continually enhance our margins. Based on our earlier information for 2024, we anticipate a continuation of macroeconomic headwinds, truck cyclicality and the end of life of Certain programs could negatively impact revenues compared to 2023. Industry projections for 2024 in the North American Class 8 truck market, which still makes up approximately half of our revenue, forecast a cyclical correction compared to have reduced our exposure to the truck market cycles, but with higher interest rates, we anticipate a downward impact on our customers' demand. It has to at some point. Speaker 200:20:57We expect to adjust our cost structure based on anticipated sales projections, consolidate operational improvements and seek attractive acquisitions to continually support our diversified growth goals. We also want to take full advantage of various industries that require new or better solutions, including opportunities arising from government funded infrastructure projects and government driven sustainability strategies. We still believe in our long term goals As we provide products and services that have growing long term demand across many industries, we believe there will be increased Demand driven by on shoring of manufacturing, U. S. Infrastructure improvements and overall industry growth over the next several years. Speaker 200:21:43As discussed last quarter, we are finalizing our acquisition strategy, timing and M and A pipeline. Given the size of our company, it's important that we set the appropriate acquisition criteria and carefully analyze valuations against our strategic requirements. As stated earlier, we have strategically prepared our organization for growth by acquisition and we are excited about the timing. We have communicated to investors in the past that we plan to further diversify the industries we serve, add capacity and Our process offerings through an acquisition while not overleveraging the company, especially in a challenging macroeconomic environment. We will also use our capital to continue to invest in our people, operational improvements with a focus on increasing automation and technical capabilities in both sales and engineering. Speaker 200:22:40Our must win battle this year has been about fixing Some known challenges in core sheet molding compound plants to gain immediate margin improvements and more importantly to prepare the organization for the future. With these systematic improvements in place, we can now focus on scaling our operational excellence systems across all locations. This is a foundational step in increasing current machine and technical resource capacity before investing for the next level of growth. In summary, improving gross margin by 4.50 basis points, Recording our highest historical adjusted EBITDA dollar on a TTM basis and creating an organization that is well positioned for significant growth, We are pleased with our Q3 results and excited for the future. We believe that by continually investing in our people And relentlessly executing our strategy, we will accelerate a long term value creation. Speaker 200:23:40Finally, We plan to present and host meetings with investors in Dallas on November 15 as part of the Southwest Ideas Conference. Please reach out to us or 3 part advisors if you would like a follow-up call. With that, I'd like to open the line for questions. Operator00:24:39Please Speaker 400:24:43standby. Operator00:24:50And ladies and gentlemen, our first question today comes from Tim Moore with EF Hutton. Please go Speaker 400:24:55ahead. Thanks. It's really helpful your commentary. When do you think you might know the full impact of the UAW strikes on your sales? I mean, it's impressive that you can still maintain your gross margin guidance range for this year despite that drag, but do you think you won't know the full impact of late December? Speaker 300:25:14Yes. Tim, I think one of the pieces of that is to recognize that We deal on auto, but we also the UAW is actually on strike with Mack, which is a major division of Volvo, which It's one of our major customers and so they have not settled their strike at this point and so we're watching that. The stuff We do in auto has been I think the auto guys are back to work. They're building kind of ramping back up. And Fair enough. Speaker 200:26:05In talking with Volvo, they're doing everything they can to continue producing and driving that forward. But Right now, we know what the roadblock is and until they resolve the strike, it's they're at a point now where they don't have engines. Speaker 400:26:22Yes. I'm just kind of curious, I mean, I try not to ask theoretical questions, but if there wasn't a UAW strike, do you think you still would have expected flat product sales And do you think you can recover some of those Mac sales in March quarter? Speaker 300:26:38Yes. Again, I think we would hope that Mac can recover those sales in the industry. And so we think that the UAW strike in Q3 or sorry, Q4 probably has somewhere between $2,000,000 $4,000,000 of sales impact on us. So again, Part of that depends on when they actually settle the strike or if MAX settles the strike and timing, but we kind of estimate it was somewhere between $2,000,000 $4,000,000 Speaker 400:27:08That's helpful. And John, I know you mentioned on the August conference Call that there was the variable compensation that caused an uptick in SG and A expense. I mean, how should we think about SG and A expense as a percentage of sales Going forward, I know it was running 2.7% to 2.8% the past two quarters, but it's typically 9.5% to 10%. Speaker 300:27:30Yes, I think if you back out our compensation again this quarter, we were going to be around 8.5 $5,000,000 of SG and A again this quarter, which is consistent with the other quarters. Now that does include the $500,000 of Press move, that's a one time move to get a press down to Monterey as that plans launch in some new programs next year. And so without that, we are probably running around $8,000,000 of SG and A costs for the quarter versus $8,500,000 1st two quarters, if you back out our bonus impact, long term as we move forward, we continue to look at that. We always try to target that around 10% and so if sales are down a little bit, we try to recognize that and make adjustments to the G and A as we go forward. So but right now, we're probably running between $8,000,000 $8,500,000 a quarter is where we're at Without bonus. Speaker 400:28:30That's helpful. My next question is, I mean, how far along do you think you are on Selling price improvement, I mean, is that those prices fully implemented as of today or are you kind of the 6th inning on that for the company wide? Speaker 200:28:46Yes. We still have one other contract that we're working on and we'll finalize that this year, beginning of next year. Speaker 400:28:55Okay. The rest have been pretty much implemented on a rolling basis the past few quarters. Speaker 200:28:59Yes. So we've been through all the other contracts. Speaker 400:29:10Actually, two more questions for Dave. What would you say you're kind of adding you might be in, not to use the baseball metaphor too long, On operational efficiency improvements, I saw you hit at that new board member appointment. It looks like Sal had some more operational manufacturing experience in Canada and Mexico. But How far along do you think you are on the operational efficiency improvements? And when do you think you'll be done? Speaker 200:29:35Yes. So we'll be done when we talk about the must win battle that was the focus on the 3 SMC plants, really focusing on 2 of them majority wise. That was predicted or forecasted 20% improvement. So we'll have that we're at that now. So really what we're moving into is A corporate wide continuous improvement and consolidating those. Speaker 200:29:57So, it will be ongoing, but It's not 20% per year per plan. Speaker 400:30:04That's helpful color. And then my last question is, you mentioned some commentary a little bit about this in your opening remarks, About acquisitions, just can you just remind us, is still a capital allocation priority for And what are you kind of seeing out there? Do you think you're going to have to probably do acquisitions to acquire 5 to 7 presses or given that there's such a long wait list and not much availability for new presses? Speaker 200:30:30Yes. That's a big point relative to if you're trying to install the So really what we're looking at is, I guess I'd call bolt on or tuck in acquisitions anywhere up to say $30,000,000 $40,000,000 and It's really about what sales channels can we get similar to what we did with the previous acquisitions because then we're able to also cross sell and So multiple composites into that customer through our other processes and products. Speaker 400:31:06Great. That was very helpful. Thanks a lot, Steve and John, and I'll hand it back over to the operator. Speaker 200:31:12Thanks, Tim. Operator00:31:14Thank you. And our next question comes from Jeff Geygan with Global Value Investment Corp. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:31:27I'm curious, what type of visibility do you have into your Customers inventory levels? Speaker 300:31:34I don't know that we would say we have a direct visibility. We don't have data sets Go directly into them and so a lot of it is demand feedback that we're getting. They do provide us EDI data out into the future. I think we've talked about that before EDDI as you get out past a month gets a little bit, it can change. It's not guaranteed one way or the other. Speaker 300:31:54And so What we do know is that some customers during this quarter have come to us and said we got ahead of ourselves and so we aren't taking As much product at least in this quarter and maybe a little bit into the Q1 next year. Now again, what we Stay close to them as we're hoping the nice thing is that this is a short term issue for them. They'll get through that inventory and they'll start taking sales again. And so it's a period of time that will work itself out. It's not that sales have gone away, it's just really Correction for a period of time. Speaker 300:32:31So we'll work with them and hopefully get through this and then be back on with those in the Q1 next year, sometime in Speaker 200:32:38the Q1 next year going into the second. Yes. And it's a good point. It's when you see it, It's on the especially when you start looking at industrial and utilities because you have such a long supply chain between inventory at our location, inventory at the job sites and So I think at the end of the year, they had looked at what their inventory levels throughout that supply chain and had made a correction, But the business is still there. I think it's more a matter of adjusting our inventories at the end of the year. Speaker 500:33:13All right. Appreciate it. You've talked repeatedly about reducing your exposure to truck. I think the last time you reported out that might have been 44% of revs. Where is that today and what do you expect that trend to look like on a forward basis? Speaker 200:33:27Yes. It will continue. I mean, it's part of the strategy. It will vary between 44% up to say 54% depending on the sales that we see in the other channels, Especially when you start seeing personal watercraft at the beginning of the year, that picks up at the beginning of the year and trails off at the end of the year, same with building products. Speaker 300:33:47And I think, Jeff, one of the pieces of that is our long term strategy in truck was never to get out. It was to do just profitable business. I think as we came out of the turnaround, we realized that we had added on business that we just couldn't get to profitability. And we really think we've fixed the majority of that. Dave mentioned we have one contract we're still working on that gets a little bit of additional pricing hopefully that we're Actively working on right now. Speaker 300:34:15So long term, where we are as truck is, we're bidding on new programs with truck. It's just we're We've got a different mindset than we did probably 5 years ago. We're looking to do profitable business with contracts that aren't one-sided We really think are good for both business partners. And so I think our truck business, it's really just has changed strategy versus Us totally getting out to change in strategy that we'll only do stuff that we think we can make good money on. Speaker 500:34:44Thank you. With your Q4 guide of revenues down 15% to 20%, John, I thought you said your fiscal year At that point, down roughly 5% to 10%. You anticipated maintaining your gross margin in the 17.5% to 18.5% range. What does that imply for your gross margin in Q4? Speaker 300:35:06I mean, I think if you do the math, it probably puts us at a gross margin 13.5% to 14.5%, and a little bit of that's just going to be leverage. We are starting to reduce We've always talked about what we can do as our variable cost is somewhere between 60%, 70% of our cost structure. And so we are able to reduce material price and material costs very quickly. Direct labor comes next We've been moving very quickly on some of that, taking some time off at the plants where they take a week down, those types of things, so we can reduce that cost. But the one piece that takes a little bit more of a long term and really we wouldn't reduce unless we think we got a long Term problem is the fixed cost and we won't adjust that very significantly because we really think long term the company is going to continue to grow and we don't want Probably lost leverage in Q4 is more of the issue than anything else that's hurting the margin in Q4. Speaker 500:36:17And last question, when do you anticipate providing guidance for 2024 or beyond? Speaker 300:36:27Yes. So 2024, we're still getting a lot of data in. I think at the time we released the Your first or not Q1, but our year end results, which would be early March, we would have it. If there's anything significant That were warranted before that, we would definitely come back out and do a discussion in between. But where we are right now is we have a lot of customers telling us that they They're watching the economy as much as us. Speaker 300:36:58I got Polaris, which is one of our major customers Deck right in front of me and they came out and said they're watching the retail demand situation going In the United States right now or North America. So I think we will have better data by the time we do the 10 ks, the earnings release that you're in around March. But again, if there's something major between now and then, we would definitely come out and tell you guys. Speaker 500:37:24Yes, I appreciate that. I have to say, You've done exactly what you've said you intended to do with your 4 pillars. Your execution has been excellent. I look forward to seeing what you do when you begin making some acquisitions. So thanks for the commentary today. Speaker 500:37:43I thought it was very good and good luck as you go forward. Speaker 300:37:47Thanks, Jeff. Thanks. Operator00:37:49Thank you. And ladies and gentlemen, that's all the time we have for question and answer session today. So I'd like to turn the conference back over to the management team for any final remarks. Speaker 200:38:03Thank you for joining our conference call and we look forward to the next call in March. Thank you. Operator00:38:10Thank you, sir. This concludes today's conference call. We thank you all for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect your lines and have a wonderful day.Read morePowered by