TSE:DPM Dundee Precious Metals Q3 2023 Earnings Report C$20.95 +0.65 (+3.20%) As of 05/23/2025 04:00 PM Eastern ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast Dundee Precious Metals EPS ResultsActual EPSC$0.20Consensus EPS C$0.26Beat/MissMissed by -C$0.06One Year Ago EPSN/ADundee Precious Metals Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$181.12 millionExpected RevenueN/ABeat/MissN/AYoY Revenue GrowthN/ADundee Precious Metals Announcement DetailsQuarterQ3 2023Date11/7/2023TimeN/AConference Call DateWednesday, November 8, 2023Conference Call Time9:00AM ETConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckInterim ReportEarnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Dundee Precious Metals Q3 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrNovember 8, 2023 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Dundee Precious Metals Third Quarter 2023 Earnings Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer To ask a question during this session, you'll need to press star 11 on your telephone. You'll then hear an automated message advising Your hand is raised. Operator00:00:34Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to our first speaker today, Jennifer Cameron. Please stand by for one moment while we repair our technical difficulties. Jennifer, we're ready for you now. Please standby. Speaker 100:02:21Sorry, operator, can you hear us? Operator00:02:23Yes, I can. Hi, Kathy. I can hear you as well. Jennifer, my name is Crystal. I'm Good day. Operator00:08:15Thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Dundee Precious Metals Third Quarter 2023 Earnings Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. Operator00:08:49I would now like to hand the conference over to your first speaker, Jennifer Cameron. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:08:56Thank you and good morning and thank you everyone for your patience as we got that technical issue sorted out. I'm Jennifer Cameron, Director of Investor Relations and I'd like to welcome you With me today are members of our senior management team, including David Ray, President and CEO and Navin Dyle, Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, I'd like to remind you that all forward looking information provided during this call is subject to the forward looking qualification, which is detailed in our news release and incorporated in full for the purposes of today's call. Certain financial measures referred to during this call are not recognized and are referred to as non GAAP measures or ratios. These measures have no standardized meaning under IFRS It may not be comparable to similar measures presented by other companies. Speaker 100:09:41The definitions established and calculations performed by DPM are based on management's reasonable judgment and are consistently applied. These measures are intended to provide additional information and should not be considered in isolation or as a substitute for measures prepared in accordance with IFRS. Please refer to the non GAAP financial measures section of our most recent MD and A for reconciliations of these non GAAP measures. Please note that unless otherwise stated, operational and financial information communicated during this call are related to continued operations and have generally been rounded. References to 2022 pertain to the comparable periods in 2022 and references to averages are based on midpoints of our outlook or guidance. Speaker 100:10:20I'll now turn the call over to David Ray. Speaker 200:10:23Good morning and thank you all for joining us. I'm pleased to provide you with an overview of our Q3 results and some insights into our achievements during this period. This morning, I'll briefly review our results and discuss why we believe DPM continues to be well positioned to deliver value to all our stakeholders now and over the long term. Highlights from our Q3 include strong production of 74,000 ounces of gold £7,200,000 of copper, all in sustaining costs of $9.11 per ounce of gold sold and continued strong free cash flow generation of $45,000,000 With strong operating performance generating over $180,000,000 Free cash flow year to date. Our mining operations are on track to achieve our 2023 guidance for production and all in sustaining cost, demonstrating the quality of our assets and the strength of our operating teams. Speaker 200:11:20We exited the quarter in a very strong financial position In addition to investing in our future growth and exploration prospects, we returned approximately 42% of our free cash flow to shareholders during the 1st 9 months of the year through our sustainable quarterly dividend and enhanced share buyback program, which Navin will touch on shortly. Looking at our operations in more detail, Chelopech continued its track record of strong performance in the 3rd quarter, Producing approximately 40,000 ounces of gold and £7,200,000 of copper. Chelopech's all in sustaining cost of $11.20 per ounce of Gold Salt reflects higher treatment charges during the quarter as a result of shipping concentrate to CIMA as opposed to using third party smelters as was in the first two quarters of the year. In the Q4 and going forward, we do not expect to process additional concentrate from Chelopech at Sumer. We continue to advance the Chelopech Brownfield exploration program with 8 drill rigs currently active along the Brevini exploration license and the Charlotte Deary target within the mine concession. Speaker 200:12:37Later this month, we expect to provide an update on our exploration activities along with updating the mineral reserve and resource estimate and life of mine plans for Chelopech. With increased in mine and brownfield We believe there is strong potential to continue our track record of extending mine life at Chelopech. Turning to Adatepe, the mine continued to deliver impressive performance, achieving a new record for quarterly production. The mine produced approximately 34,000 ounces of gold with an all in sustaining cost of $509 per ounce of gold sold, which is at the low end of ADOTEPI's guidance range for costs. ADOTEPI has consistently outperformed our expectations since Commissioning in 2019 and we are confident that Adaptep will continue to deliver strong results supported by the updated life of mine plan we announced in January this year. Speaker 200:13:32We're also continuing our exploration efforts around Adatepe At the newly granted Krumovitza exploration license, we started SCOUT drilling in August. At Tsune, complex concentrate Smelted during the quarter was approximately 22,000 tons, which reflects the planned maintenance shutdown that occurred in the quarter. During the Osmalt reline focus shutdown, we also completed repairs to the OSCAS system where water leaks affected operational stability in the last campaign. While we resumed full operations in Tsumeb towards the end of September and are seeing improved performance in line with a more normalized throughput rate, We expect Tsimeb to be at the low end of its production guidance and towards the high end of its cash cost guidance at year end. In Serbia, exploration activity is focused on the Choka Rykita deposit with 11 drill rigs currently in operation. Speaker 200:14:28Since we announced the high grade discovery in January, we've been aggressively drilling the deposit with over 63,000 meters completed in the 1st 9 months of the year. In fill drilling at a 30 by 30 meter spacing is well advanced covering the core of the system in order to provide additional confidence in the continuity and high grade nature of the mineralization. We expect to complete a maiden mineral resource estimate for Choka Riquita by the end of this year, And we're also progressing activities to accelerate the advancements of the project. This includes metallurgical test work and geotech evaluation of potential surface locations for the exploration decline, mine infrastructure and processing facilities. Choka Riquita has several positive attributes that we look for in projects, including a very high grade core, good initial metallurgical results, Strong infrastructure and a great fit with our skill sets, resulting in significant potential within our organic growth portfolio. Speaker 200:15:30We also believe there's significant additional exploration potential in the surrounding line package, and we've started scout drilling to test other camp wide targets near Choka as well as the 10,000 meters scout drilling program we've discussed previously at Umke. In October, we were granted new exploration license for the area hosting the Timok Gold project and this provides additional exploration potential on prospective targets immediately to the north of Chokariquita. We are preparing an aggressive exploration program and plan to start testing for SCAN targets On the new licenses to the north and west of Chokariquita and we expect to commence a 25,000 meter drilling program in early 2024. Turning to Loma Laga, there were 2 important developments for our activities in Ecuador during the quarter. First, we entered into an investment protection agreement with the government, a significant milestone that provides tax stability and its incentives as well as legal protections such as resolutions of disputes through international arbitration. Speaker 200:16:392nd, the decision on the appeal of the constitutional protective action was received in August. Based on our analysis, the decision reaffirmed our concessions The Loma Laga and clarified that consultation, certain local indigenous populations is required. It also held that environmental consultation with Communities in the projects area of influence and additional reports on the impact on water resources and the nearby National Recreation Area would need to be delivered to them by the Ministry of Environment to the court prior to advancing the project to the exploitation phase. We are in the process of seeking clarification on these requirements for these additional reports, the indigenous and environmental consultation and the steps needed in order to resume the planned drilling campaign in support of the updated feasibility study and to assess the impact on the project's development timeline. At the same time, we've continued to advance the feasibility study optimization, which includes leveraging our expertise with similar deposits such as Chelopech and to incorporate certain scope changes. Speaker 200:17:43These scope changes combined with inflation pressures consistent with general industry trends are expected to result in significant increases to the estimated capital and operating costs for the project. We are continuing with the optimization phase Beyond our original timeline ending in 2023, in order to evaluate additional opportunities and to potentially incorporate the results from drilling once we're able to resume these activities. We continue to view Loma Lager as a high quality advanced stage project with the potential to generate strong economic returns following the results of the ongoing optimization work. We will continue to take a disciplined approach with respect to future investments in the Loma Lager project based on key milestones and the overall operating environment in Ecuador. And as such, we anticipate our spending related to Loma Largo in 2020 to be materially lower than the 2023 levels. Speaker 200:18:40At Tierras Colorados, the concession 200 kilometers to the south of Loma Lager In Ecuador's Lojar Province, we initiated a 10,000 meter drilling program in August, completing 2,300 meters during the quarter. This program is designed to follow-up the positive results we reported at the end of February, which confirm the presence of 2 high grade vein systems that remain The primary focus will be to further assess the extension and geometry of the 2 vein systems and to test recently discovered high grade vein and soil anomalies. In closing, our 3rd quarter results continue to demonstrate DPM's strong performance and highlights within our industry. These highlights include strong consistent production from our operations and an all in sustaining cost that ranks among the lowest in the gold mining industry, Significant free cash flow generation, financial strength and flexibility, a record of disciplined capital allocation and returning capital to shareholders, Attractive development projects, a proven exploration success both in extending mine life of our operations and discovering new brownfield opportunities and a strong leadership and technical team with a history of adding real value to innovation. I'll now turn the call over to Navin for a review of our financial results and outlook, following which we'll be open to open the call to questions. Speaker 300:20:03Thanks, Dave. I'll be touching briefly on the financial highlights from the quarter. I will also provide an update on how we are tracking in terms of our guidance for the year, and I'll conclude with some commentary on our balance sheet and return of capital program. Financial highlights for the Q3 include revenue of $135,000,000 which was higher than the prior year due primarily to higher volumes of gold sold and higher realized gold and copper prices partially offset by lower volumes of complex concentrate smelted reflecting the timing of the Ausmelt furnace maintenance shutdown. Adjusted net earnings of $27,000,000 were comparable to the prior year due primarily to higher revenues from gold operations, partially offset by lower revenues from Tsumeb and higher plant exploration and evaluation expenses. Speaker 300:20:50When comparing adjusted net earnings for the 3rd quarter To the Q2 of this year, earnings were lower due primarily to higher treatment charges at Chelopech as all of Chelopech's gold copper concentration was delivered to Tsumeb this quarter, combined with lower revenues from Tsumeb, reflecting the planned Ostmont furnace maintenance shutdown this quarter. Note that the concentrate from Chelopech delivered to Tsumeb this quarter will not be processed by the smelter until the Q4. Cash flow from operations of $67,000,000 was higher than the prior year due primarily to the timing of deliveries and subsequent receipts of cash and also the timing of payments to suppliers. Free cash flow of $45,000,000 comparable to the prior year due primarily to the factors impacting adjusted earnings. Taking a closer look at our cost metrics, our all in sustaining cost during the quarter was $9.11 per ounce of gold sold. Speaker 300:21:40This represented an increase relative to the previous 2 quarters this year. It's important to note that this was the only quarter This year in which we plan to deliver Chelopech's gold copper concentrate to Tsumeb for processing, which resulted in higher treatment charges. Going forward, we anticipate that all of Chelopech's concentrate will be delivered to 3rd party smelters at lower treatment charges. And as a result, we remain on to achieve our all in sustaining cost guidance for the year. At Tsumeb, cash costs in the Q3 of $9.21 per ton reflected the planned maintenance shutdown which occurred during the quarter. Speaker 300:22:16In terms of our capital spend, sustaining capital expenditures were $17,000,000 for the quarter, which included capital related to the maintenance shutdown at Tsumeb, which is lower than planned as a result of cost optimization initiatives. Growth capital expenditures were $6,000,000 for the quarter and were primarily related to the Loma Largo project. As Dave noted, we are anticipating a significantly reduced level Capital expenditures at Loma Larga in 2024 relative to 2023. Looking at our guidance for the year, which is outlined in detail on Slide 17 of the webcast, I'm pleased to report that given our strong year to date performance and forecast for 4th quarter, our mining operations are on track to We are forecasting to be below guidance for complex concentrate smelted and towards the high end of guidance for cash cost per tonne. Looking at unit costs, Chelopech and Atatepe are expected to be at or below the low end of guidance range for mine cash cost per ton, reflecting lower than expected costs for direct materials And lower royalties at Adatepe. Speaker 300:23:23When looking at our all in sustaining cost guidance, one thing I'd like to note is that copper prices have been trending lower than the price reflected in our guidance. To illustrate how a 10% change in the price of copper can impact our costs, a reduction in copper prices from our 4th quarter guidance assumption of $4 per pound to $3.60 per pound would increase our full year all in sustaining costs by approximately $12 per ounce of gold sold. We anticipate all in sustaining costs remain within our guidance range even with this lower balance of year cost price assumption. Also note that our full year guidance for all in sustaining costs excludes mark to market adjustments for share based compensation expense. For the 9 months ended September 30, higher share based compensation expense from mark to market adjustments has added $4,600,000 or $24 per ounce to our all in sustaining costs. Speaker 300:24:12With significant year to date free cash flow generation, we continue to maintain a strong balance sheet with $563,000,000 of cash at the end of the quarter. With our strong cash position, no debt and $150,000,000 undrawn credit facility, we have the financial flexibility to fund future growth opportunities that generate additional value for stakeholders, while continuing to return a portion of our free cash flow to our shareholders. On that front, we continue to deploy our capital in a disciplined manner that balances our desire to reinvest in growing and optimizing our business with our commitment to returning capital to our shareholders. In addition to investing in our future growth and exploration projects, we continue to pay a quarterly dividend of $0.04 per share since 2022, which currently offers an attractive 2.3% yield based on last night's closing share price and continue to enhance our share buyback program to purchase up to 100,000,000 of the company's shares over a 12 month period, which began on March 1 this year. To date, in 2023, We've repurchased over 9,700,000 shares for a total value of approximately $66,000,000 In closing, we continue to deliver solid performance from our mining operations And we are in a strong position to achieve our guidance and continue our track record of generating significant free cash flow. Speaker 300:25:29With that, I'll now open the call up for questions. Operator00:25:34Thank you. And wait for your name to be announced. Please standby while we compile our roster. Our first question comes from the line of Don DeMarco with National Bank Financial. Your line is open. Speaker 400:26:07Thank you, operator, and good morning, David and team. Congratulations on a strong quarter. Good free cash flows, low cost at Adatepe. Looking at you've got this upcoming maiden resource estimate for Cocolatyquita. Do you expect this resource to all be in the inferred category? Speaker 400:26:24Or have you done enough drilling Speaker 500:26:28Hi, Don. Yes, we do expect most, if not all, will still be in the inferred category while we're Doing the 30 by 30 drill spacing now. The database is now closed and so most of it will still be an inferred. Speaker 400:26:43Okay. When we look at this, the magnitude of the ounces in this resource, how should we view that in the context of what you might need to support a go forward decision in developing Coco Raquita. In In other words, what would your sort of threshold be to on a preliminary basis, this is A large enough endowment to build a mine. Speaker 300:27:11Yes. I think what we're going to do is focus Speaker 500:27:14on putting out the maiden resource and then Most likely early in 2024, we're going to be continuing with the PEA, which will define Exactly. I think what you're getting at and we'll define the potential economics of the deposit. I would say it's It's a little early to say, but based on the our initial views is that we have a strong standalone project At this time, that will be further supported by PEA next year. Speaker 400:27:48Okay. Look forward to that. And would the PEA be based on the resource estimate that's coming out in December? And when do you expect the next resource update to follow? Speaker 500:27:59We're actually still determining whether or not the PA will be based on the December resource. As of now, yes, But we're in the process of looking at the time at that timeline. Speaker 400:28:12Okay, great. We'll look forward to that. Just shifting over to Adatepe then. We've seen from your 3 year guidance that production has been starting to ease, costs are still very attractive. But when would you expect Adatepe to be depleted? Speaker 400:28:29I'm looking at the technical report, it's hard to know there's been some changes in drilling. Is it 26, 27, 28 or later? Speaker 200:28:38Hi, Don. Yes, as we in the January Update to the life of mine plan based on the drilling that we've done to that point. We continue to say that we anticipate the Final year of operation of Editeb, it'd be 2026. I would say at this point, given what's going on, It's quite likely we might add months to that, but I do not at this point anticipate adding years. However, we continue to do exploration. Speaker 200:29:06We'll make the assumption that success with exploration would have some gap in operations before we have the permits and the necessary Other things required to actually bring that into a continuing operation. So we would anticipate a gap in operations. Speaker 400:29:22Okay. Thank you. Very helpful. Good luck with the rest of the year. That's all for me. Operator00:29:29Thank you. One moment for our next question. This question comes from the line of Eric Windmill with Scotiabank. Your line is now open. Speaker 600:29:45Great. Thanks very much for taking my question. Maybe just quick question on the smelter. I know You've said it's non core and just wondering, are you looking to maybe sell it if there's a process in place or What's the kind of threshold you would look at to actually make a sale transaction? Are there any limiting factors in country? Speaker 600:30:07And should we hear any more thoughts on that, please? Speaker 200:30:11Yes. Great question. So we've said repeatedly that it's non core. And also we've confirmed now that we are not intending to send more concentrate there. So clearly this is more of a distraction than a core asset for us. Speaker 200:30:25I don't want to talk about what's going on with any processes and future action, but what I would say is that we continue to have conversations with different groups and these sort of increased over time, Largely focused on the critical minerals that are on the property, particularly gallium and germanium. So more than that at this point, I don't particularly want to comment. In terms of constraints within country, I think it's clearly recognized that this is not A core asset for us. Just want to make it very clear that we think Namibia is an excellent place to do business. And During our 13 years in country, I really appreciated the transparency within which Namibia goes about its business. Speaker 200:31:05So it's a good environment for us. It's quite simply that The particular asset at the moment is really on the extreme of what we're doing as a business and want to make sure that we carry on with our capital investments towards gold mining Not towards melting. Speaker 600:31:21Okay, great. Very helpful. I appreciate that. Maybe just another question on treasury management, higher interest rate environment, the interest income is becoming a lot more material for your growing cash balance. Any commentary in terms of how you're managing that? Speaker 600:31:38What you're seeing there? I assume most of it's probably in short term Instruments, are you looking to invest some of that longer term? Your comments would be appreciated. Speaker 300:31:48Sure. Hi, Erica. It's Davin. Yes, we take a very risk based approach when we think about our cash, And we generally invest in short term low risk investments. So we're not at this point considering To enter into any type of longer term type of arrangements that might result in more yield. Speaker 300:32:12So again, it's very, very risk based approach that we take for our cash management. We also look at the upcoming business and the requirements of the business in order To plan accordingly and as you would have seen, we've been very disciplined in our capital allocation, returning a portion of that to shareholders in the form of dividends and share buybacks While maintaining enough to kind of sustain the business and also with the view of the projects that are up and coming, keeping in mind of that as well. Speaker 600:32:41Okay, great. No, that's helpful. Thank you. And I guess lastly on the dividends, any thoughts or discussion around Possibly increasing the amount of dividends? Speaker 300:32:51Not at this point, Eric. We've when we increased the dividend to $0.04 per share per quarter in 2022. It was with a view of the longer term. And so we wanted to make sure that we had a dividend that was sustainable for the We feel at this point that that's the right level. Speaker 600:33:11Okay, fantastic. Noel, thanks for the commentary. Appreciate it. Have a great day. Cheers. Operator00:33:26The next question comes from Wayne Lam with RBC. Your line is now open. Speaker 700:33:34Yes, good morning guys. Just wondering on the cash cost at Tsumeb. We've seen some level of improvement With the optimizations over the past year, offset by some of the maintenance items, I guess, Looking at the 3 year outlook that had been provided, the guidance was showing a sequential decline in costs over the next few years. I'm just wondering if that is still the plan, if that's still achievable at Sumeb? Speaker 300:34:06Yes. Hi, Wayne. Yes, absolutely. I think if you recall, the smelters cost, about 80% to 90% of the costs are fixed. So the natural way to reduce your cost per tonne, I should say, is by increasing throughput. Speaker 300:34:23And as you would have seen, we just got through our annual maintenance shut to service the Ostmont furnace this past quarter. And we expect despite notwithstanding the fact that we think we're going to be believe that we sorry, we believe that we're going to be below our guidance for the year. We expect that that shutdown and that maintenance work will lead to increased throughput. And the best example of that perhaps would be last year in 2022, when we serviced the furnace in the Q2, we saw a significant uptick in the Q3 of last year. So Again, that should give you some indication as to where we think throughput will be for the smelter. Speaker 300:35:03And if we can sustain that level of throughput, The costs being majority fixed should come down into the level that we've outlined in our 3 year outlook. Speaker 700:35:14Okay, great. Thank you. And then just wondering on the continued advancement at Rona Larga. With the elections kind of wrapped up in country, Is there any assistance that can be provided from a government regulatory perspective? Or is this kind of purely A legal thing and something that's has to move through the legal process and Just gaining more clarity on the consultation. Speaker 200:35:42Yes. I think we're respecting the legal processes and clearly there's Work that's got to be done there and time required. We do take advantage of a number of different sort of levels of support Within Ecuador and outside of Ecuador. Having said that, I think the primary thing at the moment is that they just had a new election, a new president in place And putting together the ministries and really we need that traction with the new government with the Assembly, the new President plus the ministers in order to engage To be able to look at what we can do. There's some possibility we can resume different activities. Speaker 200:36:18Now what I would say is and we didn't mention it in the commentary this morning that the items like the 69 kilobytes line, Which are separate to what's currently held up by the constitutional protective action. But those things have been continuing. We just completed the 2 week Consultation process and at the moment that under the auspices of the government organizations is actually being reviewed at the moment and we're anticipating Moving to get an EIA issued for that. The roads would be similar. So really the constitutional protective action is more around What's happening directly on the property and looking to move that EIA forward. Speaker 200:36:57So at this point, we've seen some delay with the different machinations It's around the change in government. We're optimistic to see what the new government will do and looking forward to engaging with the ministry. And just to close the loop on that, we will be talking to groups internally and externally who are helping to get the right message across of our capability and country and the Speaker 700:37:23Okay, great. Thanks. And then maybe just lastly on the Increase in cost at Chelopech, I mean, obviously, part Speaker 400:37:30of that is due to Speaker 700:37:31the lower copper price, but how much pressure Are you seeing on labor and consumables? And then on the lower treatment and Speaker 600:37:38freight charges directing concentrate to the Speaker 700:37:403rd party smelters, Is there a level of cost savings that you can provide on those charges going forward? Speaker 300:37:47Yes. Sorry, the first question was on labor and consumables, it's a commentary on that. Speaker 200:37:52What was Speaker 300:37:52the second question? Speaker 700:37:54Just on the treatment and the freight charges. Speaker 300:37:58Treatment and face cards. Okay, got it. Okay. So I'll take I'll answer the first one and then I'll deal with the second. So on the labor and consumables, we have been on labor costs specifically, we have been seeing, as we've seen with the inflationary environment across the world, Increases when it comes to labor and those are usually a bit more of a stickier cost when it comes to dealing with those types of costs. Speaker 300:38:20On the consumable side of things, we've actually seen improvements relative to our budget for the year on direct consumables. So for example, electricity costs have actually trended low over the past year. We've not in the early part of the year, we didn't even need to use the subsidy Essentially, in Bulgaria, we were actually injury costs were trading below the subsidy level. And other costs, we are seeing benefits in cement and reagents reductions there as So relative to budget, we've actually enjoyed better than expected costs or prices. Hence, why from a cost per ton basis for both Adatepe and Chelopech, we are trending towards the lower end of that relative to our guidance. Speaker 300:39:04On the treatment charges themselves and the freight, yes, certainly with Tsumeb, there is an arrangement between Chelopech and Tsumeb that Sees the materially higher treatment charges and there is an additional amount of freight as well in terms of the shipment there. And that's why during this In this current quarter, we see significant treatment charges and freight. But as Dave mentioned, we are Post this quarter, all of Chelopech's material will be shipped to 3rd party smelters, which we enjoy much favorable Treatment charges and lower freight charges, albeit at the expense of a bit of the payable production or payable ounces. But overall, that's been our strategy has to divert more of that production and going forward all of our production from Tsumeb to the 3rd party smelters to benefit from those lower prices. Speaker 700:40:01Okay. On those charges though, is there a level of cost savings that we can kind of look towards in terms of modeling? Speaker 200:40:09Yes. I think Speaker 300:40:10the best way to look at that would be, if you look at the treatment of freight charges this quarter and compare that to what you would have seen in the 2nd quarter. And you can see that in our reconciliation of all the sustaining costs in the back of our MD and A. And the difference there is about $12,000,000 In total. And again, I would suggest that from a payable production perspective, it's probably about 2% change in your Payable gold, I would model. Speaker 700:40:42Okay, perfect. Thank you. Thanks for taking my questions. Thanks. Operator00:40:47Thank you. I'm showing no further questions at this time And would now like to turn it back to Jennifer Cameron for closing remarks. Speaker 100:40:57Well, thank you, everyone, for joining us today. We look forward to catching up with you in the next Operator00:41:05Thank you for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program and you may now disconnect.Read morePowered by Key Takeaways Q3 production of 74,000 ounces of gold and 7.2 million pounds of copper at an all-in sustaining cost of $9.11/oz generated $45 million in free cash flow (over $180 million YTD). Chelopech and Ada Tepe operations remain on track for 2023 guidance, with Chelopech brownfield drilling ramping up ahead of a reserve/resource and life-of-mine update, and Ada Tepe delivering a record 34,000 oz at $509/oz AISC. A maiden resource estimate for the high-grade Choka Riquita deposit in Serbia is expected by year-end, with a preliminary economic assessment to follow in 2024, alongside new Timok exploration licenses and accelerated drilling programs. The Loma Larga project secured an investment protection agreement but faces additional environmental and indigenous consultation requirements, leading to extended optimization work and materially lower capital spend in 2024. With $563 million in cash, zero debt, and a $150 million undrawn credit facility, DPM has returned ~42% of free cash flow to shareholders via a $0.04/share quarterly dividend and an enhanced share buyback program. AI Generated. 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There are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Dundee Precious Metals Third Quarter 2023 Earnings Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer To ask a question during this session, you'll need to press star 11 on your telephone. You'll then hear an automated message advising Your hand is raised. Operator00:00:34Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to our first speaker today, Jennifer Cameron. Please stand by for one moment while we repair our technical difficulties. Jennifer, we're ready for you now. Please standby. Speaker 100:02:21Sorry, operator, can you hear us? Operator00:02:23Yes, I can. Hi, Kathy. I can hear you as well. Jennifer, my name is Crystal. I'm Good day. Operator00:08:15Thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Dundee Precious Metals Third Quarter 2023 Earnings Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. Operator00:08:49I would now like to hand the conference over to your first speaker, Jennifer Cameron. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:08:56Thank you and good morning and thank you everyone for your patience as we got that technical issue sorted out. I'm Jennifer Cameron, Director of Investor Relations and I'd like to welcome you With me today are members of our senior management team, including David Ray, President and CEO and Navin Dyle, Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, I'd like to remind you that all forward looking information provided during this call is subject to the forward looking qualification, which is detailed in our news release and incorporated in full for the purposes of today's call. Certain financial measures referred to during this call are not recognized and are referred to as non GAAP measures or ratios. These measures have no standardized meaning under IFRS It may not be comparable to similar measures presented by other companies. Speaker 100:09:41The definitions established and calculations performed by DPM are based on management's reasonable judgment and are consistently applied. These measures are intended to provide additional information and should not be considered in isolation or as a substitute for measures prepared in accordance with IFRS. Please refer to the non GAAP financial measures section of our most recent MD and A for reconciliations of these non GAAP measures. Please note that unless otherwise stated, operational and financial information communicated during this call are related to continued operations and have generally been rounded. References to 2022 pertain to the comparable periods in 2022 and references to averages are based on midpoints of our outlook or guidance. Speaker 100:10:20I'll now turn the call over to David Ray. Speaker 200:10:23Good morning and thank you all for joining us. I'm pleased to provide you with an overview of our Q3 results and some insights into our achievements during this period. This morning, I'll briefly review our results and discuss why we believe DPM continues to be well positioned to deliver value to all our stakeholders now and over the long term. Highlights from our Q3 include strong production of 74,000 ounces of gold £7,200,000 of copper, all in sustaining costs of $9.11 per ounce of gold sold and continued strong free cash flow generation of $45,000,000 With strong operating performance generating over $180,000,000 Free cash flow year to date. Our mining operations are on track to achieve our 2023 guidance for production and all in sustaining cost, demonstrating the quality of our assets and the strength of our operating teams. Speaker 200:11:20We exited the quarter in a very strong financial position In addition to investing in our future growth and exploration prospects, we returned approximately 42% of our free cash flow to shareholders during the 1st 9 months of the year through our sustainable quarterly dividend and enhanced share buyback program, which Navin will touch on shortly. Looking at our operations in more detail, Chelopech continued its track record of strong performance in the 3rd quarter, Producing approximately 40,000 ounces of gold and £7,200,000 of copper. Chelopech's all in sustaining cost of $11.20 per ounce of Gold Salt reflects higher treatment charges during the quarter as a result of shipping concentrate to CIMA as opposed to using third party smelters as was in the first two quarters of the year. In the Q4 and going forward, we do not expect to process additional concentrate from Chelopech at Sumer. We continue to advance the Chelopech Brownfield exploration program with 8 drill rigs currently active along the Brevini exploration license and the Charlotte Deary target within the mine concession. Speaker 200:12:37Later this month, we expect to provide an update on our exploration activities along with updating the mineral reserve and resource estimate and life of mine plans for Chelopech. With increased in mine and brownfield We believe there is strong potential to continue our track record of extending mine life at Chelopech. Turning to Adatepe, the mine continued to deliver impressive performance, achieving a new record for quarterly production. The mine produced approximately 34,000 ounces of gold with an all in sustaining cost of $509 per ounce of gold sold, which is at the low end of ADOTEPI's guidance range for costs. ADOTEPI has consistently outperformed our expectations since Commissioning in 2019 and we are confident that Adaptep will continue to deliver strong results supported by the updated life of mine plan we announced in January this year. Speaker 200:13:32We're also continuing our exploration efforts around Adatepe At the newly granted Krumovitza exploration license, we started SCOUT drilling in August. At Tsune, complex concentrate Smelted during the quarter was approximately 22,000 tons, which reflects the planned maintenance shutdown that occurred in the quarter. During the Osmalt reline focus shutdown, we also completed repairs to the OSCAS system where water leaks affected operational stability in the last campaign. While we resumed full operations in Tsumeb towards the end of September and are seeing improved performance in line with a more normalized throughput rate, We expect Tsimeb to be at the low end of its production guidance and towards the high end of its cash cost guidance at year end. In Serbia, exploration activity is focused on the Choka Rykita deposit with 11 drill rigs currently in operation. Speaker 200:14:28Since we announced the high grade discovery in January, we've been aggressively drilling the deposit with over 63,000 meters completed in the 1st 9 months of the year. In fill drilling at a 30 by 30 meter spacing is well advanced covering the core of the system in order to provide additional confidence in the continuity and high grade nature of the mineralization. We expect to complete a maiden mineral resource estimate for Choka Riquita by the end of this year, And we're also progressing activities to accelerate the advancements of the project. This includes metallurgical test work and geotech evaluation of potential surface locations for the exploration decline, mine infrastructure and processing facilities. Choka Riquita has several positive attributes that we look for in projects, including a very high grade core, good initial metallurgical results, Strong infrastructure and a great fit with our skill sets, resulting in significant potential within our organic growth portfolio. Speaker 200:15:30We also believe there's significant additional exploration potential in the surrounding line package, and we've started scout drilling to test other camp wide targets near Choka as well as the 10,000 meters scout drilling program we've discussed previously at Umke. In October, we were granted new exploration license for the area hosting the Timok Gold project and this provides additional exploration potential on prospective targets immediately to the north of Chokariquita. We are preparing an aggressive exploration program and plan to start testing for SCAN targets On the new licenses to the north and west of Chokariquita and we expect to commence a 25,000 meter drilling program in early 2024. Turning to Loma Laga, there were 2 important developments for our activities in Ecuador during the quarter. First, we entered into an investment protection agreement with the government, a significant milestone that provides tax stability and its incentives as well as legal protections such as resolutions of disputes through international arbitration. Speaker 200:16:392nd, the decision on the appeal of the constitutional protective action was received in August. Based on our analysis, the decision reaffirmed our concessions The Loma Laga and clarified that consultation, certain local indigenous populations is required. It also held that environmental consultation with Communities in the projects area of influence and additional reports on the impact on water resources and the nearby National Recreation Area would need to be delivered to them by the Ministry of Environment to the court prior to advancing the project to the exploitation phase. We are in the process of seeking clarification on these requirements for these additional reports, the indigenous and environmental consultation and the steps needed in order to resume the planned drilling campaign in support of the updated feasibility study and to assess the impact on the project's development timeline. At the same time, we've continued to advance the feasibility study optimization, which includes leveraging our expertise with similar deposits such as Chelopech and to incorporate certain scope changes. Speaker 200:17:43These scope changes combined with inflation pressures consistent with general industry trends are expected to result in significant increases to the estimated capital and operating costs for the project. We are continuing with the optimization phase Beyond our original timeline ending in 2023, in order to evaluate additional opportunities and to potentially incorporate the results from drilling once we're able to resume these activities. We continue to view Loma Lager as a high quality advanced stage project with the potential to generate strong economic returns following the results of the ongoing optimization work. We will continue to take a disciplined approach with respect to future investments in the Loma Lager project based on key milestones and the overall operating environment in Ecuador. And as such, we anticipate our spending related to Loma Largo in 2020 to be materially lower than the 2023 levels. Speaker 200:18:40At Tierras Colorados, the concession 200 kilometers to the south of Loma Lager In Ecuador's Lojar Province, we initiated a 10,000 meter drilling program in August, completing 2,300 meters during the quarter. This program is designed to follow-up the positive results we reported at the end of February, which confirm the presence of 2 high grade vein systems that remain The primary focus will be to further assess the extension and geometry of the 2 vein systems and to test recently discovered high grade vein and soil anomalies. In closing, our 3rd quarter results continue to demonstrate DPM's strong performance and highlights within our industry. These highlights include strong consistent production from our operations and an all in sustaining cost that ranks among the lowest in the gold mining industry, Significant free cash flow generation, financial strength and flexibility, a record of disciplined capital allocation and returning capital to shareholders, Attractive development projects, a proven exploration success both in extending mine life of our operations and discovering new brownfield opportunities and a strong leadership and technical team with a history of adding real value to innovation. I'll now turn the call over to Navin for a review of our financial results and outlook, following which we'll be open to open the call to questions. Speaker 300:20:03Thanks, Dave. I'll be touching briefly on the financial highlights from the quarter. I will also provide an update on how we are tracking in terms of our guidance for the year, and I'll conclude with some commentary on our balance sheet and return of capital program. Financial highlights for the Q3 include revenue of $135,000,000 which was higher than the prior year due primarily to higher volumes of gold sold and higher realized gold and copper prices partially offset by lower volumes of complex concentrate smelted reflecting the timing of the Ausmelt furnace maintenance shutdown. Adjusted net earnings of $27,000,000 were comparable to the prior year due primarily to higher revenues from gold operations, partially offset by lower revenues from Tsumeb and higher plant exploration and evaluation expenses. Speaker 300:20:50When comparing adjusted net earnings for the 3rd quarter To the Q2 of this year, earnings were lower due primarily to higher treatment charges at Chelopech as all of Chelopech's gold copper concentration was delivered to Tsumeb this quarter, combined with lower revenues from Tsumeb, reflecting the planned Ostmont furnace maintenance shutdown this quarter. Note that the concentrate from Chelopech delivered to Tsumeb this quarter will not be processed by the smelter until the Q4. Cash flow from operations of $67,000,000 was higher than the prior year due primarily to the timing of deliveries and subsequent receipts of cash and also the timing of payments to suppliers. Free cash flow of $45,000,000 comparable to the prior year due primarily to the factors impacting adjusted earnings. Taking a closer look at our cost metrics, our all in sustaining cost during the quarter was $9.11 per ounce of gold sold. Speaker 300:21:40This represented an increase relative to the previous 2 quarters this year. It's important to note that this was the only quarter This year in which we plan to deliver Chelopech's gold copper concentrate to Tsumeb for processing, which resulted in higher treatment charges. Going forward, we anticipate that all of Chelopech's concentrate will be delivered to 3rd party smelters at lower treatment charges. And as a result, we remain on to achieve our all in sustaining cost guidance for the year. At Tsumeb, cash costs in the Q3 of $9.21 per ton reflected the planned maintenance shutdown which occurred during the quarter. Speaker 300:22:16In terms of our capital spend, sustaining capital expenditures were $17,000,000 for the quarter, which included capital related to the maintenance shutdown at Tsumeb, which is lower than planned as a result of cost optimization initiatives. Growth capital expenditures were $6,000,000 for the quarter and were primarily related to the Loma Largo project. As Dave noted, we are anticipating a significantly reduced level Capital expenditures at Loma Larga in 2024 relative to 2023. Looking at our guidance for the year, which is outlined in detail on Slide 17 of the webcast, I'm pleased to report that given our strong year to date performance and forecast for 4th quarter, our mining operations are on track to We are forecasting to be below guidance for complex concentrate smelted and towards the high end of guidance for cash cost per tonne. Looking at unit costs, Chelopech and Atatepe are expected to be at or below the low end of guidance range for mine cash cost per ton, reflecting lower than expected costs for direct materials And lower royalties at Adatepe. Speaker 300:23:23When looking at our all in sustaining cost guidance, one thing I'd like to note is that copper prices have been trending lower than the price reflected in our guidance. To illustrate how a 10% change in the price of copper can impact our costs, a reduction in copper prices from our 4th quarter guidance assumption of $4 per pound to $3.60 per pound would increase our full year all in sustaining costs by approximately $12 per ounce of gold sold. We anticipate all in sustaining costs remain within our guidance range even with this lower balance of year cost price assumption. Also note that our full year guidance for all in sustaining costs excludes mark to market adjustments for share based compensation expense. For the 9 months ended September 30, higher share based compensation expense from mark to market adjustments has added $4,600,000 or $24 per ounce to our all in sustaining costs. Speaker 300:24:12With significant year to date free cash flow generation, we continue to maintain a strong balance sheet with $563,000,000 of cash at the end of the quarter. With our strong cash position, no debt and $150,000,000 undrawn credit facility, we have the financial flexibility to fund future growth opportunities that generate additional value for stakeholders, while continuing to return a portion of our free cash flow to our shareholders. On that front, we continue to deploy our capital in a disciplined manner that balances our desire to reinvest in growing and optimizing our business with our commitment to returning capital to our shareholders. In addition to investing in our future growth and exploration projects, we continue to pay a quarterly dividend of $0.04 per share since 2022, which currently offers an attractive 2.3% yield based on last night's closing share price and continue to enhance our share buyback program to purchase up to 100,000,000 of the company's shares over a 12 month period, which began on March 1 this year. To date, in 2023, We've repurchased over 9,700,000 shares for a total value of approximately $66,000,000 In closing, we continue to deliver solid performance from our mining operations And we are in a strong position to achieve our guidance and continue our track record of generating significant free cash flow. Speaker 300:25:29With that, I'll now open the call up for questions. Operator00:25:34Thank you. And wait for your name to be announced. Please standby while we compile our roster. Our first question comes from the line of Don DeMarco with National Bank Financial. Your line is open. Speaker 400:26:07Thank you, operator, and good morning, David and team. Congratulations on a strong quarter. Good free cash flows, low cost at Adatepe. Looking at you've got this upcoming maiden resource estimate for Cocolatyquita. Do you expect this resource to all be in the inferred category? Speaker 400:26:24Or have you done enough drilling Speaker 500:26:28Hi, Don. Yes, we do expect most, if not all, will still be in the inferred category while we're Doing the 30 by 30 drill spacing now. The database is now closed and so most of it will still be an inferred. Speaker 400:26:43Okay. When we look at this, the magnitude of the ounces in this resource, how should we view that in the context of what you might need to support a go forward decision in developing Coco Raquita. In In other words, what would your sort of threshold be to on a preliminary basis, this is A large enough endowment to build a mine. Speaker 300:27:11Yes. I think what we're going to do is focus Speaker 500:27:14on putting out the maiden resource and then Most likely early in 2024, we're going to be continuing with the PEA, which will define Exactly. I think what you're getting at and we'll define the potential economics of the deposit. I would say it's It's a little early to say, but based on the our initial views is that we have a strong standalone project At this time, that will be further supported by PEA next year. Speaker 400:27:48Okay. Look forward to that. And would the PEA be based on the resource estimate that's coming out in December? And when do you expect the next resource update to follow? Speaker 500:27:59We're actually still determining whether or not the PA will be based on the December resource. As of now, yes, But we're in the process of looking at the time at that timeline. Speaker 400:28:12Okay, great. We'll look forward to that. Just shifting over to Adatepe then. We've seen from your 3 year guidance that production has been starting to ease, costs are still very attractive. But when would you expect Adatepe to be depleted? Speaker 400:28:29I'm looking at the technical report, it's hard to know there's been some changes in drilling. Is it 26, 27, 28 or later? Speaker 200:28:38Hi, Don. Yes, as we in the January Update to the life of mine plan based on the drilling that we've done to that point. We continue to say that we anticipate the Final year of operation of Editeb, it'd be 2026. I would say at this point, given what's going on, It's quite likely we might add months to that, but I do not at this point anticipate adding years. However, we continue to do exploration. Speaker 200:29:06We'll make the assumption that success with exploration would have some gap in operations before we have the permits and the necessary Other things required to actually bring that into a continuing operation. So we would anticipate a gap in operations. Speaker 400:29:22Okay. Thank you. Very helpful. Good luck with the rest of the year. That's all for me. Operator00:29:29Thank you. One moment for our next question. This question comes from the line of Eric Windmill with Scotiabank. Your line is now open. Speaker 600:29:45Great. Thanks very much for taking my question. Maybe just quick question on the smelter. I know You've said it's non core and just wondering, are you looking to maybe sell it if there's a process in place or What's the kind of threshold you would look at to actually make a sale transaction? Are there any limiting factors in country? Speaker 600:30:07And should we hear any more thoughts on that, please? Speaker 200:30:11Yes. Great question. So we've said repeatedly that it's non core. And also we've confirmed now that we are not intending to send more concentrate there. So clearly this is more of a distraction than a core asset for us. Speaker 200:30:25I don't want to talk about what's going on with any processes and future action, but what I would say is that we continue to have conversations with different groups and these sort of increased over time, Largely focused on the critical minerals that are on the property, particularly gallium and germanium. So more than that at this point, I don't particularly want to comment. In terms of constraints within country, I think it's clearly recognized that this is not A core asset for us. Just want to make it very clear that we think Namibia is an excellent place to do business. And During our 13 years in country, I really appreciated the transparency within which Namibia goes about its business. Speaker 200:31:05So it's a good environment for us. It's quite simply that The particular asset at the moment is really on the extreme of what we're doing as a business and want to make sure that we carry on with our capital investments towards gold mining Not towards melting. Speaker 600:31:21Okay, great. Very helpful. I appreciate that. Maybe just another question on treasury management, higher interest rate environment, the interest income is becoming a lot more material for your growing cash balance. Any commentary in terms of how you're managing that? Speaker 600:31:38What you're seeing there? I assume most of it's probably in short term Instruments, are you looking to invest some of that longer term? Your comments would be appreciated. Speaker 300:31:48Sure. Hi, Erica. It's Davin. Yes, we take a very risk based approach when we think about our cash, And we generally invest in short term low risk investments. So we're not at this point considering To enter into any type of longer term type of arrangements that might result in more yield. Speaker 300:32:12So again, it's very, very risk based approach that we take for our cash management. We also look at the upcoming business and the requirements of the business in order To plan accordingly and as you would have seen, we've been very disciplined in our capital allocation, returning a portion of that to shareholders in the form of dividends and share buybacks While maintaining enough to kind of sustain the business and also with the view of the projects that are up and coming, keeping in mind of that as well. Speaker 600:32:41Okay, great. No, that's helpful. Thank you. And I guess lastly on the dividends, any thoughts or discussion around Possibly increasing the amount of dividends? Speaker 300:32:51Not at this point, Eric. We've when we increased the dividend to $0.04 per share per quarter in 2022. It was with a view of the longer term. And so we wanted to make sure that we had a dividend that was sustainable for the We feel at this point that that's the right level. Speaker 600:33:11Okay, fantastic. Noel, thanks for the commentary. Appreciate it. Have a great day. Cheers. Operator00:33:26The next question comes from Wayne Lam with RBC. Your line is now open. Speaker 700:33:34Yes, good morning guys. Just wondering on the cash cost at Tsumeb. We've seen some level of improvement With the optimizations over the past year, offset by some of the maintenance items, I guess, Looking at the 3 year outlook that had been provided, the guidance was showing a sequential decline in costs over the next few years. I'm just wondering if that is still the plan, if that's still achievable at Sumeb? Speaker 300:34:06Yes. Hi, Wayne. Yes, absolutely. I think if you recall, the smelters cost, about 80% to 90% of the costs are fixed. So the natural way to reduce your cost per tonne, I should say, is by increasing throughput. Speaker 300:34:23And as you would have seen, we just got through our annual maintenance shut to service the Ostmont furnace this past quarter. And we expect despite notwithstanding the fact that we think we're going to be believe that we sorry, we believe that we're going to be below our guidance for the year. We expect that that shutdown and that maintenance work will lead to increased throughput. And the best example of that perhaps would be last year in 2022, when we serviced the furnace in the Q2, we saw a significant uptick in the Q3 of last year. So Again, that should give you some indication as to where we think throughput will be for the smelter. Speaker 300:35:03And if we can sustain that level of throughput, The costs being majority fixed should come down into the level that we've outlined in our 3 year outlook. Speaker 700:35:14Okay, great. Thank you. And then just wondering on the continued advancement at Rona Larga. With the elections kind of wrapped up in country, Is there any assistance that can be provided from a government regulatory perspective? Or is this kind of purely A legal thing and something that's has to move through the legal process and Just gaining more clarity on the consultation. Speaker 200:35:42Yes. I think we're respecting the legal processes and clearly there's Work that's got to be done there and time required. We do take advantage of a number of different sort of levels of support Within Ecuador and outside of Ecuador. Having said that, I think the primary thing at the moment is that they just had a new election, a new president in place And putting together the ministries and really we need that traction with the new government with the Assembly, the new President plus the ministers in order to engage To be able to look at what we can do. There's some possibility we can resume different activities. Speaker 200:36:18Now what I would say is and we didn't mention it in the commentary this morning that the items like the 69 kilobytes line, Which are separate to what's currently held up by the constitutional protective action. But those things have been continuing. We just completed the 2 week Consultation process and at the moment that under the auspices of the government organizations is actually being reviewed at the moment and we're anticipating Moving to get an EIA issued for that. The roads would be similar. So really the constitutional protective action is more around What's happening directly on the property and looking to move that EIA forward. Speaker 200:36:57So at this point, we've seen some delay with the different machinations It's around the change in government. We're optimistic to see what the new government will do and looking forward to engaging with the ministry. And just to close the loop on that, we will be talking to groups internally and externally who are helping to get the right message across of our capability and country and the Speaker 700:37:23Okay, great. Thanks. And then maybe just lastly on the Increase in cost at Chelopech, I mean, obviously, part Speaker 400:37:30of that is due to Speaker 700:37:31the lower copper price, but how much pressure Are you seeing on labor and consumables? And then on the lower treatment and Speaker 600:37:38freight charges directing concentrate to the Speaker 700:37:403rd party smelters, Is there a level of cost savings that you can provide on those charges going forward? Speaker 300:37:47Yes. Sorry, the first question was on labor and consumables, it's a commentary on that. Speaker 200:37:52What was Speaker 300:37:52the second question? Speaker 700:37:54Just on the treatment and the freight charges. Speaker 300:37:58Treatment and face cards. Okay, got it. Okay. So I'll take I'll answer the first one and then I'll deal with the second. So on the labor and consumables, we have been on labor costs specifically, we have been seeing, as we've seen with the inflationary environment across the world, Increases when it comes to labor and those are usually a bit more of a stickier cost when it comes to dealing with those types of costs. Speaker 300:38:20On the consumable side of things, we've actually seen improvements relative to our budget for the year on direct consumables. So for example, electricity costs have actually trended low over the past year. We've not in the early part of the year, we didn't even need to use the subsidy Essentially, in Bulgaria, we were actually injury costs were trading below the subsidy level. And other costs, we are seeing benefits in cement and reagents reductions there as So relative to budget, we've actually enjoyed better than expected costs or prices. Hence, why from a cost per ton basis for both Adatepe and Chelopech, we are trending towards the lower end of that relative to our guidance. Speaker 300:39:04On the treatment charges themselves and the freight, yes, certainly with Tsumeb, there is an arrangement between Chelopech and Tsumeb that Sees the materially higher treatment charges and there is an additional amount of freight as well in terms of the shipment there. And that's why during this In this current quarter, we see significant treatment charges and freight. But as Dave mentioned, we are Post this quarter, all of Chelopech's material will be shipped to 3rd party smelters, which we enjoy much favorable Treatment charges and lower freight charges, albeit at the expense of a bit of the payable production or payable ounces. But overall, that's been our strategy has to divert more of that production and going forward all of our production from Tsumeb to the 3rd party smelters to benefit from those lower prices. Speaker 700:40:01Okay. On those charges though, is there a level of cost savings that we can kind of look towards in terms of modeling? Speaker 200:40:09Yes. I think Speaker 300:40:10the best way to look at that would be, if you look at the treatment of freight charges this quarter and compare that to what you would have seen in the 2nd quarter. And you can see that in our reconciliation of all the sustaining costs in the back of our MD and A. And the difference there is about $12,000,000 In total. And again, I would suggest that from a payable production perspective, it's probably about 2% change in your Payable gold, I would model. Speaker 700:40:42Okay, perfect. Thank you. Thanks for taking my questions. Thanks. Operator00:40:47Thank you. I'm showing no further questions at this time And would now like to turn it back to Jennifer Cameron for closing remarks. Speaker 100:40:57Well, thank you, everyone, for joining us today. We look forward to catching up with you in the next Operator00:41:05Thank you for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program and you may now disconnect.Read morePowered by