NASDAQ:MRVI Maravai LifeSciences Q3 2023 Earnings Report $2.22 -0.08 (-3.48%) Closing price 05/23/2025 04:00 PM EasternExtended Trading$2.22 +0.00 (+0.23%) As of 05/23/2025 04:04 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast Maravai LifeSciences EPS ResultsActual EPS-$0.02Consensus EPS -$0.03Beat/MissBeat by +$0.01One Year Ago EPSN/AMaravai LifeSciences Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$66.87 millionExpected Revenue$75.23 millionBeat/MissMissed by -$8.36 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/AMaravai LifeSciences Announcement DetailsQuarterQ3 2023Date11/7/2023TimeN/AConference Call DateTuesday, November 7, 2023Conference Call Time5:00PM ETUpcoming EarningsMaravai LifeSciences' Q2 2025 earnings is scheduled for Wednesday, August 6, 2025, with a conference call scheduled at 5:00 PM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Maravai LifeSciences Q3 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrNovember 7, 2023 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 15 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. My name is Temi, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Q3 2023 Maravay Life Sciences Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session. Operator00:00:41I would now like to turn the conference over to Ms. Deb Hart. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:55Good afternoon, everyone. Thanks for joining us on our Q3 2023 earnings call. Our press release and the slides that accompany today's call are posted on our website and are available at investors. Maravai.com. As you can see on the agenda on Slide 2, joining me today are Trey Martin, Chief Executive Officer and Kevin Hrdy, Chief Financial Officer Drew Burch, President of Nucleic Acid Production and Becky Buzzzio, our Executive Vice President and Chief Commercial We remind you management will make forward looking statements And we refer you to GAAP and non GAAP financial measures during today's call. Speaker 100:01:43It is possible that actual results could differ We refer you to Slide 3 for more details on forward looking statements and our use of non GAAP financial measures. Our GIST issued press release provides reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP measures. Please also refer to Maravai's SEC filings for additional information on the risks and uncertainties that may impact our operating results, performance and financial condition. Now, I'll turn the call over to Trey. Speaker 200:02:19Thank you, Deb, and good afternoon, everyone. We appreciate having you join us for our call today. Let me give a quick recap Speaker 300:02:27of the Speaker 200:02:27Q3, provide some color on the cost initiatives we announced today and highlight a few business updates before turning the call over to Kevin. Let's start with our 3rd quarter results on Slide 5. Today, we reported $67,000,000 in revenue for the quarter, $12,000,000 in total adjusted EBITDA and a loss of $0.01 in adjusted fully diluted EPS for the quarter. Q3 results were below our expectations with persistent macroeconomic and industry specific conditions impacting the top line. As we mentioned during our last quarterly update and as referenced by many of our peers, we've seen continued softness As customers adjust their spending priorities in the wake of broader economic uncertainty and lower levels of venture and private equity backed investment. Speaker 200:03:23As a result, key customers continue to focus on capital conservation efforts, which has constrained research and development budgets. This continues to result in a longer decision making process causing customers to strategically prioritize and stage their programs. We are not seeing signs of near term recovery that we expected when we provided prior guidance and expect those trends to persist at least through the end of 2023. Unfortunately, this has been a consistent theme throughout our industry. Our nucleic acid production segment had revenue of 51,000,000 This includes an estimated $36,000,000 of base nucleic acid production revenue. Speaker 200:04:08The biologic safety testing revenue was $16,000,000 in the 3rd quarter. Turning to Slide 6. As you're all aware, Maravai grew at an exceptional rate during the pandemic as we scaled the manufacturing of CleanCap to unprecedented quantities For mRNA based COVID-nineteen vaccines in the global pandemic response, we rose to serve a Critical global need and are immensely proud of our accomplishments in that regard. During this period, we were also able to significantly scale our GMP capabilities To build 4 new facilities, to increase R and D and commercial investments and to acquire the Mi Chem and Altazyme businesses. As we evolve Maravai post pandemic, industry needs have changed. Speaker 200:04:58Upon taking over as CEO at the end of July, The leadership team and I have taken a hard look at our requirements moving forward. The actions we announced today will enable us to rebalance the organization By significantly reducing labor and discretionary costs and to focus on key strategic areas of investment To accelerate long term and sustainable growth, we've made several difficult decisions, Including resizing and reorganizing many teams throughout the company to ensure we're serving our customers' needs in the most nimble and efficient ways possible. Please refer to Slide 7 for details on the restructuring initiative. We are eliminating approximately 100 positions And making significant reductions to other non labor expense areas to enable more efficient operations while continuing to support investment in our high growth focus We are targeting at least $30,000,000 in annualized cost reductions to be realized over the course of 2024 from these actions. It is difficult to say goodbye to the many talented and committed colleagues who were integral to our success through the pandemic And I want to thank them for their many contributions. Speaker 200:06:16We will actively support them as they identify their next opportunities, And we look forward to what they will achieve as they bring their experience from Maravai to their next roles. Let's move to Slide 8 To provide more color on the organization's shape moving forward. As we resize the organization, we are streamlining and clarifying our organizational structure, roles and responsibilities to support our strategy, enable sustainable growth and better serve our customers. Maravai has a strong reputation of making smart acquisitions and each of our company brands have a long history of being best in class. Customers rely on TriLink, Cygnus, Glen Research and Alphazyme to support their scientific endeavors. Speaker 200:07:04Moving forward, operating divisions have been redefined and renamed to reinforce our strong brands, Where we've specialized expertise, insight and experience needed by our customers to advance their work. In our nucleic acid production segment or NAP, we now have 4 business units, TriLink Discovery, Trilink GMP, Glenn Research and Alphazyme. Drew Burch has been promoted to the role of President for the Nucleic Acid Production segment. Each business unit within the NAP segment will be led by a general manager, who will drive focus around developing solutions that meet customer needs at the appropriate Our TriLink Discovery and TriLink GMP business units are now better positioned to respond to those different needs. Diving into the different needs of our customers, the TriLink Discovery business unit will be focused on working with customers at the front end of the funnel. Speaker 200:08:04TriLink Discovery will include all research use only for RUO products and services, including all reagents, The Mi Chem custom chemistry business and mRNA manufacturing for screening and target discovery. This is where the majority of our trialing customers are today in the discovery and preclinical position. Our clients typically Start working with us by purchasing Research Use Only grade mRNA or reagents. Many customers start with us in discovery before they have identified their targets. With these inputs, they are screening, developing, scaling up their processes and overcoming development challenges. Speaker 200:08:45They want to get to market faster with the best possible candidates. They need rapid turnaround and would like to run larger screens at smaller scales. Once our customers have refined their targets and selected lead candidates, that is when TriLink GMP can step in seamlessly And help them progress through their clinical phases. TriLink GMP products and services are extremely important And highlight how we are partnering with customers throughout their journey into late phase GMP manufacturing. We ensure that RUO grade material provided in Discovery can translate right to our GMP suites, including the New Flanders 1 and 2 facilities. Speaker 200:09:29Our TriLink GMP includes GMP CleanCap analogs, GMP NTPs, Analytical Services and GMP mRNA Production Services. Our Biologic Safety Testing Segment still comprises Cygnus Technologies and includes the Mach V brand. Cygnus continues to be led by Executive Vice President, Christine Dolan. We believe these changes better define roles and responsibilities for our leadership teams for decision making agility Becky Bazio is evolving to ensure they are a comprehensive strategic organization that can provide critical functional and system support Across all businesses. Our traditionally founder based acquisitions are generally product and technology led and do not have mature commercial So we expect our new commercial organization to accelerate growth and increase visibility. Speaker 200:10:36This consolidated commercial engine will provide key enabling resources and tools to all of the Maravai businesses. Becky oversaw the genesis of TriLink GMP, formerly referred to as Nucleic Acid Services and helped recruit its General Manager, Kevin Lynch. I want to thank her for pulling double duty over the past year and now this new structure will allow her to focus solely on sales and commercial execution. We will also continue to invest in our unique analytical capabilities. We have launched TriLink's Analytical Sciences Center of Excellence, A centralized hub for advancing testing of nucleic acids to simplify mRNA drug substance characterization and accelerate critical therapeutic development. Speaker 200:11:21Leading on decades of technical expertise, TriLink continues to lead the market with mRNA specific analytical services, Having developed and qualified 10 types of unique methods for the characterization of mRNA covering 40 various constructs. With this expansion, the center of excellence builds upon TriLink's comprehensive method development for construct specific assays And has added new instrumentation to enable NMR, next gen sequencing and lipid nanoparticle characterization. The Center of Excellence will continue to be responsible for developing cutting edge analytical methodologies, including mRNA fingerprinting and sequencing. We believe these changes better reflect our core strengths, highlight our best in class brands, support the different RUO and GMP needs of our customers And enable all of our teams to work effectively and grow sustainably. Moving into our future growth on Slide 10. Speaker 200:12:24We see many opportunities ahead. And as we outlined at our Investor R and D Day in September, we have identified a path over the 5 year to greater than $700,000,000 in organic revenue. We will continue to focus on driving improvements to regain our industry leading adjusted EBITDA margin And we believe the cost realignment initiatives we are taking now will allow us to realize that goal even at today's volumes. Our partnership agreements continue to expand. We entered into 5 new agreements in the 3rd quarter, 2 for new kids, 1 clinical licensing agreement and 2 CDMO enablement agreements. Speaker 200:13:06On Slide 11, we highlight a few of these agreements. Our newly signed partnership agreement with Thermo Fisher has CleanCap incorporated into their bench scale in vitrogen message machine in vitro transcription kits. For those of you not familiar with these kits, the products are used by many researchers for in vitro transcription of RNA synthesis For a variety of purposes, including in vitro functional studies, labeling and tagging, Small animal studies and therapeutics development. These types of partnerships allow Maravai to expand our product and technology reach And get into more customer workflows early to partner from Discovery through commercialization. We also signed a clinical license agreement with Precision Biosciences for them to utilize GMP inputs in their mRNA Arcus genome editing platform. Speaker 200:14:01In vivo gene editing has the potential to permanently cure genetic diseases. Arcus is a precise and versatile genome editing technology With the distinct potential to insert, excise or eliminate DNA in a broad spectrum of genetic diseases. In late September, we entered into a nonexclusive supply agreement for several of our CleanCap analogs to be used in the ELIXIRGIN Scientific Japan Incorporated mRNA development and manufacturing services for preclinical through Phase 3 programs, including CleanCap M6, This agreement aligns with our objective to enable greater access Worldwide to all CleanCap mRNA technologies. In addition, we also reviewed a multi year supply agreement Intellia Therapeutics, a pioneering genome editing company. This strategic collaboration ensures the consistent Provision of CAP analogs and other reagents and strengthens our partnership devoted to advancing the development of mRNA based solutions in gene editing. Speaker 200:15:11We along with Intellia recognize the transformative potential of mRNA technologies and gene editing and are resolute in our joint endeavor for groundbreaking By combining our expertise in nucleic acid based products with Intellia's groundbreaking genome editing capabilities, We are poised to make significant strides in shaping the future of medicine and bettering global human health. Moving to Slide 12. Maravise innovation and people continue to receive recognition. In this quarter, we were honored with several awards. Cygnus Technology received a 2023 R and D 100 award from R&D World Magazine in the analytical test Category for the Mach V RVLP kit. Speaker 200:15:57The Mach V RVLP kit enables bioprocess scientists To determine retrovirus like particle or RVLP removal during biopharmaceutical manufacturing in Chinese hamster ovary or CHO cell lines. By using the MOXI RV LP kit, scientists can gain actionable insight into retroviral clearance whenever they wish from their own lab bench Rather than requiring the use of a contract research organization and do their own testing at a fraction of the cost associated with prior viral clearance studies. CleanCap M6, our next generation CAP analog Received the 2023 Pharma Innovations Award from Pharma Manufacturing. We spoke about M6 during our last conference call And also highlighted its benefits during our R and D Day. But to suffice to say, we are really excited by the product and expect M6 Help developers and researchers maximize the impact of their mRNA programs, while reducing overall manufacturing costs, Ultimately bringing life changing medicines to the market faster. Speaker 200:17:08Drew Burch, who leads our nucleic acid production segment Was named to the San Diego Business Journal's 2023 list of leaders of influence in life sciences. And our Chief Innovation Officer, Doctor. Kate Proderick, to the 2023 Pharma Voice 100 list, which recognizes the most inspiring leaders in the life sciences. We couldn't be more proud of Drew and Kate and their accomplishments and for the industry's recognition of our innovative products. Turning to Slide 13. Speaker 200:17:40As we look ahead to the completion of 2023 and prepare for 2024, We believe we have the right technologies and are in the right markets to achieve long term growth. We remain focused on growing our base business across all business units And on expanding margins through significant operating leverage. I remain excited about our future, our capabilities and what we can achieve together With the mission to make a meaningful impact improving human health through the next generation of medicines. I'm confident that with the realignment of our businesses, We have the team, the organizational structures, technologies and talent to deliver on our long term objectives. As we close out the Q3 of the year, we remain focused on expanding our product portfolio, Advancing our market leadership in the mRNA space and continuing to strategically invest in innovative R and D and our commercial operations to support our base business Our revised outlook for 2023, which Kevin will discuss in greater detail in a moment, considers the Q3 results and more modest expectations for the Q4 due mainly to the broader market headwinds previously discussed. Speaker 200:18:53I'll now ask Kevin to provide the details on our Q3 performance and our updated guidance. Kevin? Speaker 400:19:02Thank you, Trey, and good afternoon, everyone. Starting on slide 15. As per our press release this afternoon, Our Q3 2023 revenues were $67,000,000 below our expectations for the quarter as the ongoing macro and industry specific softness Continues to pressure the base business across both segments. As for earnings per share, both our GAAP based Basic and diluted EPS were at $0.05 per share loss, while adjusted fully diluted EPS was $0.01 per share loss for the quarter. Our GAAP based net loss before the amount attributable to non controlling interests was $15,100,000 for the Q3 of 20 Adjusted EBITDA, a non GAAP measure was $11,900,000 for Q3, Up from $9,100,000 in the most recently completed Q2 of 2023. Speaker 400:20:02Our adjusted EBITDA margin was 18% In the Q3, for the 1st 9 months of 2023, our adjusted EBITDA, a non GAAP measure, Was $44,800,000 resulting in an adjusted EBITDA margin of 21%. As discussed in the last quarter, we remain focused on balancing our investment in our facilities and our labor to best position us for the future, While also actively managing our expense structure to address our current revenue outlook. As we continue to see the soft market conditions, we decided it was necessary to realign our cost structure more aggressively to the current demand environment. As Trey previously covered, Today, we announced a structured initiative that is targeting at least a $30,000,000 reduction in our annualized spend based on recent expense levels. These decisions are never easy, but we feel reflecting necessary adjustment to address the broader business pressure we've all been faced with in 2023 And heading into 2024. Speaker 400:21:09We will be actively reducing our labor force by approximately 15% or about 100 employees, Primarily in the nucleic acid production operations areas and in our supporting general and administrative functions. This reduction yields roughly $23,000,000 in lower labor expenses that will be realized in 2024. In addition to these reductions, we've identified another $7,000,000 in non labor expense reductions to achieve a minimum of $30,000,000 in total annualized We believe these cost reductions help to align our cost structure to the current environment and our prudent actions as we wait the broader market conditions To improve and return to revenue growth over time that we are confident in given the markets we serve and the strength and quality of our technology, products And services. Now let's turn to Slide 16. We ended Q3 with $580,000,000 in cash, a level flat to the end of the second Gross debt, which has a term until late 2027 is at $534,000,000 Our adjusted free cash flow for the quarter was $400,000 Adjusted free cash flow is a non GAAP measure that we define as adjusted EBITDA Less capital expenditures. Speaker 400:22:28The free cash flow in the quarter reflected our adjusted EBITDA less net capital expenditures of $11,500,000 Tied to the ongoing outfitting of our nucleic acid trucks and GMP facilities at our Flanders location in San Diego. Now turning to Slide 17. I'll now provide some more insights into our business segment financial performance for the quarter. The nucleic acid production business revenues were $51,000,000 in the 3rd quarter, down slightly from the $53,000,000 for the 2nd quarter. Nucleic acid production represented 77% of the company's total revenue in the quarter and generated $17,000,000 And adjusted EBITDA in the quarter, a segment margin of 32%. Speaker 400:23:10On a year to date basis, adjusted EBITDA for the segment was $59,000,000 A margin of 35% on the 9 month revenues of $166,000,000 Included in the results of the nucleic Production segment for the Q3 is our estimate of Clean Cap revenues from our large COVID-nineteen vaccine customers of $15,000,000 consistent with our Previously discussed expectations for the quarter. Our Biologic Safety Testing business revenues were $16,000,000 in the 3rd quarter, Contributing 23% of our total revenues. Our Biologics Safety Testing business contributed $11,000,000 of adjusted EBITDA in the quarter, a margin of 72%. For the 1st 9 months of 2023, our BST segment recorded adjusted EBITDA $35,000,000 on revenues of $49,000,000 a 72% adjusted EBITDA margin. Corporate expenses that are not included in the Segment adjusted EBITDA totals I just spoke were $16,000,000 in the quarter in line with recent averages. Speaker 400:24:15Now turning to Slide 18 and our updated financial guidance for 2023. We are lowering our expected range of total revenues for 2023 $275,000,000 to $285,000,000 at the midpoint, this is slightly more than a $30,000,000 reduction in revenues for the year. This is disappointing given the reduction in the full year 2023 guidance from our last quarter call, but reflects our view that we are a little less optimistic about signs of near term We expect our base business to remain around the recent quarterly levels in Q4. To break this down a little further, on the top line, we see the nucleic acid production segment at around $213,000,000 to 221,000,000 Which includes an estimate of $61,000,000 in Clean Cap sales for COVID related vaccine demand. As you recall on our prior call, We have stated we had $65,000,000 in clean cap POs for the year and that those POs all remain. Speaker 400:25:12However, one customer has communicated that they using about half of their orders to support non COVID programs that are advancing in clinical trials. Thus, we have adjusted our estimate for the fiscal year down $4,000,000 To best reflect what we understand to be our customers' COVID vaccine specific demand for CleanCap. As we have discussed previously, Our Clean Cat franchise has multiple chemical analogs, which are not target specific and thus can be used across indications by our end customers. We feel this dynamic likely extended the usage of existing inventory by our customers across their mRNA programs, Thus further complicating the assessment of end market demand and future large volume clean cap disability. Now removing the $61,000,000 estimated COVID demand, our base NAP segment is estimated about 156 1,000,000 in projected revenues for fiscal year 2023 at the midpoint. Speaker 400:26:08This reflects a decline of roughly 27% from 2022 levels. We expect our biologic safety testing revenues this year to be about $62,000,000 to $64,000,000 shifting slightly lower than our previous estimate of $65,000,000 to $70,000,000 for 2023. The business continues to see the leveling of demand in the $15,000,000 to $18,000,000 per quarter ranges that we have seen since Q2 of 2022. And we've also seen 4th quarter levels dip a little bit historically tied to CDMO manufacturing cycles. Based on this updated full year guidance and the 9 months that are in the books, the resulting expectations for the 4th quarter Our for total revenues of between $60,000,000 $70,000,000 with the NAP segment at around $51,000,000 at the midpoint of our range, including an of $18,000,000 of CleanCap COVID vaccine revenues and our BST segment to be around $14,000,000 or so at the midpoint of our range for Q4. Speaker 400:27:04Due to lower revenue expectations for 2023, we are updating our estimated earnings metrics. We now anticipate adjusted fully diluted EPS In the range of $0.01 loss to $0.01 per share in earnings and our adjusted EBITDA to be between $55,000,000 $60,000,000 And adjusted EBITDA margin of about 20% to 21% on our updated revenue guidance. Additionally, we expect the following financial Expectations as listed on Slide 19. Interest expense and net of interest income between $16,000,000 18,000,000 Depreciation and amortization between $40,000,000 $42,000,000 stock based compensation, which we show as a reconciling item from GAAP to non GAAP EBITDA To be between $34,000,000 $36,000,000 This also includes an as if fully converted share count of about 252,000,000 shares And an adjusted effective tax rate of about 24%. Now before I turn it back over to Trey, I want to mention that due to the limited 2024 demand visibility from our larger customers, combined with the ongoing work surrounding our cost realignment initiative, We do not yet have the level of confidence to provide initial guidance for next year as we have historically done on our Q3 call. Speaker 400:28:20We believe it prudent to focus on closing out We are executing our cost reduction work and continuing to work with our customers to understand their 2024 needs. We anticipate providing 2024 guidance in the early part of next year. Speaker 200:28:37I will now turn the call back over to Trey. Trey? Thanks, Kevin. So to wrap up our prepared remarks on Slide 21, we believe the cost cutting initiatives we announced, While difficult, position us well for the future. Our overall base of customers is expanding and diversifying. Speaker 200:28:58This along with our new corporate structure that is better equipped to serve those customers' needs will support a future of sustainable growth. Though market conditions remain challenging in the near term, we are confident in the expected long term growth rates For biologics, for mRNA medicines, for gene editing and for gene and cell therapy. We believe our serviceable addressable market will double Over the next 5 years and we expect to be able to outpace market growth with differentiated technology, products and services. We will continue to put our cash flow and balance sheet to work with select organic investments in our facilities and analytics and product innovations. We will also continue to look for opportunities for inorganic investment to bolster our market position and provide our customers with additional solutions. Speaker 200:29:51We are committed to building a strong foundation for long term profitable and sustainable growth for our base business. Kevin, Becky, Drew and I are all happy to answer your questions. So now I'll turn the call back over to the operator for instructions. Operator00:30:16The floor is now open for your questions. You will be provided the opportunity to ask one question and one further follow-up question. Your first question comes from the line of to Jeff Savant with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open. Speaker 500:31:02Hey, guys. Good evening and thanks for the time here. Maybe I'll start with one big picture one on Trey and just the visibility particularly into the pharma customer base, So emerging biotech, I believe is about 30% of your total revenue exposure. Can you share just some color on the customer conversations there that you're hearing, Especially through November here. And you also mentioned some key customers focusing on capital conservation. Speaker 500:31:29So it sounds like it's A very similar dynamic at your larger biopharma customers as well. Is that a fair interpretation? Speaker 300:31:37Hi, Jehos. Yes. Thank you. Your number is about right for small and medium public company exposure around 30% of our revenue year to date. And also correct that the activity through LargeCap Pharma has continued consistently. Speaker 300:31:59There have been actually quite a few recent licensure announcements that I'm sure Everyone has noticed. But we see against again that rationalization of program progression and of course A completely different time frame expectations than we experienced through the pandemic for that progression And a return to normalcy that I think we all in the industry hope is somewhere in between The rapid progression of the pandemic and the time before, but I would say probably the best person for me to add color there might be Becky, who has just recently had some pretty high level large pharma customer visits. Speaker 600:32:59Hi there. Yes, We've been talking to many clients, big pharma, small biotech, even academic clients. For sure, budgets are tight. We also are getting a lot of information around program So slowing new entrants into their pipeline and really progressing Programs that have the best view of a positive outcome. There are continual conversations around de risking program. Speaker 600:33:41So Many times what this means is getting additional development data packages so that the filing Successful. So with that, we're seeing some delay in filing those initial INDs and instead Kind of going back and doing further optimization on sequences and analytics. Operator00:34:11Next question Your line is open. Speaker 700:34:23Hi, thanks. This is Tom Peterson on for Catherine. I appreciate you taking the time for our question today. I I was wondering to start if you could first speak to what you saw throughout the business as the quarter progressed, particularly in September. I guess, what was the active rate in the quarter? Speaker 700:34:39And what have you seen into October? Speaker 300:34:44Yes, sure. We have a bit of a 3rd month effect. I think we've described that previously, Where we have prescheduled shipments that go out at the end of each quarter. Largely speaking though Part of the reason for our guide down is, I would say, particularly soft July And August, more in line with that July. So September, again, with the 3rd month effect, was relatively strong But we are now guiding to essentially a constant rate for the rest of the year of what we saw in Q3. Operator00:35:35Our next question comes from the line of Matt Larew with William Blair. Your line is open. Speaker 800:35:45Hi, good afternoon. One thing you reiterated today was The long term guidance through 2028 and assuming that the COVID contribution you gave at the R and D Day holds, That would require a base business CAGR of 25% over that timeframe. And The base business grew around 23% from 2018 to 2022. So this would be a faster CAGR on a larger base through 28. So given how much uncertainty there is in the end market, could you just maybe speak to the confidence level In the long term trajectory and understanding you're not giving 2024 guidance, To hit those levels, we have to start growing again at some point. Speaker 800:36:37So when do you really start tracking back or working your way back to that level of growth It's required to hit those long term targets. Speaker 300:36:49Yes, sure. Thanks, Matt. This has obviously been a bit of a correction year and we are I think From a correction standpoint, the TAM and SAM markets, the Estimates that people use, including us, will probably be adjusted down for a bit of a step down. And as you say, then it's about what growth rates are coming back out. And as you identified, we have our base business and we have the COVID program Material, I would say the example we had where we took single digit millions out of the COVID It's a good example of how we see activity already starting to shift across a broader base of non COVID programs. Speaker 300:37:41And again, our material inputs are fungible in that way. We do definitely have 2023's Looked COVID clean cap to work around, but we also have a lot of confidence in the long term growth rates And in particular, look forward to as we announced 2 partnerships that are in the CRISPR gene editing area today. We look forward to what we think will be a very exciting growth and market uptake for CRISPR gene editing, Which is both the therapy in itself in a tool to make cell and gene therapies. And I think a lot of the activity there Has been well publicized. So we're looking forward to a much broader and less Concentrated customer base with many more programs progressing and are very optimistic about the growth in the mRNA, Gene and Cell Therapy and CRISPR gene editing markets over that 5 year period. Operator00:38:54Our next question comes from the line of Michael Reitzkin with Bank of America. Your line is open. Speaker 900:39:04Great. Thanks. I'm actually going to ask a 2 First, I want to follow-up on exactly the last point, but maybe I'll just drill in on the near term a little bit more on the non COVID Peace. I mean you've had just on dollar terms declines there for 3 or 4 quarters in a row now and you're guiding to another decline In 4Q, I believe. Can that segment grow next year? Speaker 900:39:29Or have you sort of Zeroed out all the adjustments and all the rebasing that needs to happen, just because there was a period of such elevated growth in the prior years, especially as you say some of that stuff can move between COVID and non COVID pretty easily. I'm just trying to figure out what the right floor for that is when that can start growing again. And This year in the 150s, is that a floor or is there still some more excess non COVID to come out of that? And then if I can squeeze in a second part, I want to ask about the cost cuts, the $30,000,000 First, I want to make sure, Is any of that having a benefit in 4Q or is it only really kicking in next year? And if you could just provide a little bit more specifics, Is it on the it sounds like it was pretty heavily on the manufacturing side, but also on SG and A. Speaker 900:40:20If you could just sort of break that through across the different buckets, how should think about it? That'd be helpful. Thanks. Speaker 1000:40:26Yes. Michael, I'll start with the second part of your question on the cost realignment initiative. Yes, I would say geographically on the P and L, it's roughly going to be 50% hitting COGS line, the operational reductions Primarily in our nucleic acid production segment sort of right size those operations to the post pandemic volumes that we're seeing And the other 50% predominantly is going to hit our SG and A line. The focus a little bit more on the G and A component as we continue to See the appropriate investments in our commercial channel paying dividends for us over time. So basically a fifty-fifty split between COGS And SG and A. Speaker 1000:41:07We have been cognizant certainly of the revenue declines throughout the course of this year and invested have cut back certain discretionary spend items and Actually, yesterday was the primary day in which we took action on the elimination of roughly the 100 physicians. So those certainly will incur a one time severance charge here in our Q4 and roughly be out of Our ongoing P and L for a portion of this quarter, that's why I think when you see the decline in our revenue guidance, you see that coming in With a little less dynamic impact to the EBITDA guidance that we had previously given in previous quarters, it's partially mitigated by some of the Conscientious cost controls as well as the impact of the layoffs that we did yesterday. Andre, I don't know if you want to comment on the revenue progression. Speaker 300:42:02Yes. I mean, a big part admittedly in the In the 1st 90 days here for me has been looking at our monthly revenue progression and performance and focusing really on The reorg and restructure activities with facing the reality that we See today, we are certainly optimistic that this the Let's say the leg down in July August will be We'll set the stage for the next level of growth, but are certainly not Ready to call that pivot point. So the again, the reorg, the realignment Has been based on the 1st 3 months where I've been in seat here, which unfortunately have been 3 lower months of revenue compared to the past, but we're on a I think a relatively stable keel now going forward and have taken Basically a more of the same approach for Q4 for the rest of the year, which is the reason for the guide down. Operator00:43:35Our next questions Come from the line of Conor McNamara with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open. Speaker 1100:43:46Hey guys, thanks for taking the questions. I think I've got one for each of you around the $30,000,000 cost cuts. First, Trey, if you think about those cost cuts, I mean, it sounds like they're in manufacturing and probably some in sales. Does that how does that, if any, impact your ability to hit the growth Rates that you've talked about historically and at your R and D Day, if you're still going to hit that target, Will these cuts allow that? And then as a follow-up, Kevin, just assuming you still can't hit your revenues, should we just think about that $30,000,000 helps that Whatever your EBITDA margin target was that you had outlined for those plans? Speaker 300:44:29Yes. I'll take the Speaker 1000:44:30first the last second part of that and just touch on it. Yes, again, those reductions are about half in the operating lines and And about half in the SG Speaker 400:44:39and A line, but predominantly more Speaker 1000:44:41in G and A and not on the commercial side, as again, we continue to invest. That's also important, I think, as we went through exercise, it was we looked at the business in a couple of different manners. Speaker 400:44:54We looked at the overall reduction in kind Speaker 1000:44:57of cash costs, which are predominantly labor and variable costs, and it's around the 20% reduction of those But we are very specific in targeting areas that we thought we could reduce without impacting Our ability to grow at the rates in the modeling in which we're projecting going forward, and I think we've done that and that all the teams across the company and the new Leadership that we have came together to agree on a plan that both had financial targets, but also made sense operationally and made sense So, Tres, he's reorganizing the company in the manner that we want to move going forward. So, yes, I think we feel we've made the right reductions that are real estate based on what revenue currently has, but does not hamstring us to hit our long term growth objectives. So I'll just I'll leave that component of the question there. Speaker 300:45:49Yes. And I'll add, it's an insightful question. I would say that really our And again, fifty-fifty between operations and G and A. So there are two elements to it. From an operations footprint This is all essentially fixed labor where you set up shifts and have capacity available, Whether it's chemistry production or contract mRNA or and so on, and I would say The level that we made changes there is really a function of 2 overlapping principles, one being That we were holding some capacity for residual COVID business and The decline of the residual legacy Tiny Pandemic COVID business is faster than expected over the last two quarters. Speaker 300:46:45So that's a faster decline. And then the diversified next generation Marlbuy business, We're essentially dialing in a slower potential growth rate of that In conjunction with the faster decline in COVID. So it is an insightful question because we certainly have The capacity and capability needed for the broader and more diversified customer group to do many more things within R and Unfortunately, it will not be 70% of sales for 1, calm down for 1 customer like it was In 2021 to 2022, it will be a much more diversified group of smaller projects, which I hope brings stability and predictability to the business. On the P and A side, it's a similar, I would say realization that our company in its current size that you're all very well aware of Doug can't afford or sustain necessarily the level of corporate shared services that we had imagined at a size 3 to 4x, Our current size. So we will we do obviously attempt to be a high growth Hi, I'm just an EBITDA company. Speaker 300:48:09And as we grow at a slower rate back from this place, We will have the ability to incrementally add, but our fundamental structural capabilities and operations are still there where they need to be, strategically aligned. Speaker 1000:48:24Yes. And specific to the question on margin, Conor, I mean, certainly, one way to look at this is certainly look at this as if it sort of had occurred at the beginning of this year, Which would take sort of an adjusted basis are roughly low 20% margin that we're talking about today in our guidance And increasing that to roughly 30% or so. And I think that from our perspective, It's the right thing to do in the current environment. I will tell you that we are not a big cost structure company. So this was a big reduction for us And a lot of our ability to derive our gen expansion in the levels we're at now will certainly come from top line growth, And that will continue to be the case. Speaker 1000:49:09And but we did feel obviously that it is prudent to adjust our cost structure And be able to reset, streamline our operations in light of the tough macro environment. And just frankly because certainly the visibility to This return to growth is still hazy for most people in our industry and not overly clear. I don't think anyone's assuming that there is Spring back January 1, 2024, I think it's going to continue to be working with our customers, understanding their needs And positioning ourselves to support that, that's what we're currently doing, and that's certainly one of the main reasons we're deferring our 2024 guidance until we Operator00:50:04Our next question comes from the line of Dan Arias with Stifel. Your line is open. Speaker 1200:50:13Thanks for the questions here. Trey or Kevin, can you just maybe talk to Biologic Safety Performance in China and then outside of China, if you kind of compare what's going on there and then how you might expect those 2 buckets to trend into year end. I imagine China is the softer of the 2, but curious about the what the difference might actually look like there. Speaker 300:50:34Yes. Thank you. We Looking specifically at China BST, which again was a big growth driver for them in 2021 2022, really the difference Between what we've been talking about so far and that is that the leg down for China in PST really In the second half of last year and having just looked at a lot of the numbers, obviously, we are, I would say relatively stable at this new level. So there are year over year comparisons from growth That are now steady, that were harder for us certainly in second half last year and first half this year. So we see China not so far not taking any further steps down, but At a relatively stable rate for the past three quarters in BST specifically. Speaker 300:51:32Yes. And just Speaker 1000:51:32to put some numerical context In the Q2 of 2022, when we first saw this decline that Ray alluded to, China was about 19.5 percent of revenues for our BST business. In the most recently completed quarter, China was 19.5% of Revenues in the BSP business and its range from $18,400,000 to $22,900,000 in those periods that I just spoke to. So It's leveled out. We don't have, we believe, ongoing exposure to see that go much lower than that. I think that's the level that's going to support the Operator00:52:20Our next question comes from the line of Matthew Skis with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open. Speaker 600:52:29Hi, this is Yvie on for Matt. Any updates on the progress of And how are you thinking about bringing on additional capacity in a year where demand is being impacted by destocking, COVID rolling off and weaker pharma spend? Speaker 1000:52:43Yes, I'll start. Yes, certainly, not ideal to bring online additional capacity in These are decisions you make at least 2 years in advance just given the length it takes some of these Facilities and frankly, it's still necessary and we still think it was the right decision. We need to have redundancy for our manufacturing of clean cat planters What accomplishes that and obviously it was funded through our BARDA grant Flanders 2, again a big part of our commercial strategy and I'll let The others in the room comment on that, but that's certainly something that we're not rushing to finish, obviously, given the demand, but it is certainly something that in the context of commercial Discussions is an incredibly important asset that we need to have and is frankly table stakes to be a competitor And the nucleic acid solutions part of our business? Speaker 300:53:37Yes. So Flanders II specifically is where the mRNA services Happened at Phase 2 and beyond, we have our existing GMP services for chemistry and Speaker 1000:53:58So Speaker 300:54:04We have the ability to turn that on at the right time for the right customers. And obviously, with all the work we've done this quarter on Right sizing and realigning our operations footprint, we have not proactively leaned into And I Becky can probably just add a few comments because that's been Your primary focus here this last quarter. Speaker 600:54:33Yes, sure. I mean, look, we're incredibly excited about the Flanders 2 Building and I think that you're always going to be building ahead when you're offering more of that GMP manufacturing facility footprint. We have a number of customers that have come through our Research use only manufacturing services, they then progress to file an IND and we've made that GMP material for them and now they have interest and they're going into Phase 2 and then sometimes it's a Phase 2, 3 combo. And so in those cases where it lines up that we're going to be GMP ready mid next year, those are the customers that we're engaging with that are on that Same pathway to need that clinical material for Phase 2 or a Phase 2, 3 combo. And so we continue to progress that and I think that's a definitely a great development in our ability to continue to service customers and be Best in making clean cap mRNA, which is what is really what we do well. Operator00:55:49Next question comes from the line of Justin Bors with Deutsche Bank. Your line is open. Speaker 1300:56:00Hi, good afternoon, everyone. As you look at the composition of the NAP revenue to date and the funnel that you have now, Is there a way to help us think about what proportion is sort of recurring revenue Or a way to think about visibility going forward, that's sort of like part 1. And then part 2 would be just any thoughts on the competitive landscape. I know that your lead times have come down a lot and there's also been a lot of Capacity has come online across the industry as well. It would just be helpful to have a sense of your perspective On the landscape there as well. Speaker 300:56:46Yes. I'll take a quick stab at the competitive landscape and then hand to Drew For your first question, so the as we focus on the front end of the development funnel, There's more diffuse competition there where the competition in services specifically has come up Significantly, it's really at the large CDMO level, where there are fewer programs. So The competitive landscape is sort of meeting in the middle with large CMOs who have recently brought MR and A capacity to the market, Reaching back into earlier phases and discovery folks such as us progressing through from discovery through Phase 1, through Phase 2 and so on, since about 2 thirds of our TriLink revenue is discovery, We are really, I think, being more affected there by new project starts, slowdowns or delays Then specific competition. So then I'll hand to Drew for the first part of your question. Speaker 1400:58:00Sure. Thanks, Trey. Look, I think it's difficult to put a precise percentage on it in recurring revenue terms. I think we have there are customers In discovery order from us on a regular basis and that tends to recur, we have Some platforms that were built into that do quarter on a quarterly basis and that was applied regularly as you Get further into clinical trials, whether we're supporting with Reagents like Clean Cab or whether we're supporting with clinical trial services, it may be a recurring piece of business So long as that program continues to advance through the clinic, but the advancement of that program through the clinic May not occur on a regularly quarter regular quarterly basis, so there may be stocking events At certain phases of the clinical trial, and there may be manufacturing events at certain phases of the clinical trial. So Hopefully that helps get to your question, but it's really a mix of both and not always in a consistent quarterly pattern Operator00:59:25We are now out of time. I'd like to turn the call back over to Deb Hart, Senior Director, Investor Relations. Speaker 100:59:35Thank you, Jenny, and thanks, everyone, for your time today and for joining the call. We'll be at a couple of conferences next week and hope to catch up with many of you there.Read morePowered by Key Takeaways Maravai reported Q3 revenue of $67 million and $12 million in adjusted EBITDA, missing prior expectations as customers curtailed R&D spend amid ongoing macroeconomic uncertainty. The company is cutting approximately 100 positions and reducing other non-labor costs to secure at least $30 million in annualized savings during 2024. Maravai has reorganized into four specialized units within its Nucleic Acid Production segment—TriLink Discovery, TriLink GMP, Glen Research and Alphazyme—to sharpen focus on both RUO and GMP customer requirements. Full-year 2023 revenue guidance was revised down to $275 million–$285 million, and management plans to provide a 2024 outlook in early 2024 due to limited visibility into customer demand. 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There are 15 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. My name is Temi, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Q3 2023 Maravay Life Sciences Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session. Operator00:00:41I would now like to turn the conference over to Ms. Deb Hart. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:55Good afternoon, everyone. Thanks for joining us on our Q3 2023 earnings call. Our press release and the slides that accompany today's call are posted on our website and are available at investors. Maravai.com. As you can see on the agenda on Slide 2, joining me today are Trey Martin, Chief Executive Officer and Kevin Hrdy, Chief Financial Officer Drew Burch, President of Nucleic Acid Production and Becky Buzzzio, our Executive Vice President and Chief Commercial We remind you management will make forward looking statements And we refer you to GAAP and non GAAP financial measures during today's call. Speaker 100:01:43It is possible that actual results could differ We refer you to Slide 3 for more details on forward looking statements and our use of non GAAP financial measures. Our GIST issued press release provides reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP measures. Please also refer to Maravai's SEC filings for additional information on the risks and uncertainties that may impact our operating results, performance and financial condition. Now, I'll turn the call over to Trey. Speaker 200:02:19Thank you, Deb, and good afternoon, everyone. We appreciate having you join us for our call today. Let me give a quick recap Speaker 300:02:27of the Speaker 200:02:27Q3, provide some color on the cost initiatives we announced today and highlight a few business updates before turning the call over to Kevin. Let's start with our 3rd quarter results on Slide 5. Today, we reported $67,000,000 in revenue for the quarter, $12,000,000 in total adjusted EBITDA and a loss of $0.01 in adjusted fully diluted EPS for the quarter. Q3 results were below our expectations with persistent macroeconomic and industry specific conditions impacting the top line. As we mentioned during our last quarterly update and as referenced by many of our peers, we've seen continued softness As customers adjust their spending priorities in the wake of broader economic uncertainty and lower levels of venture and private equity backed investment. Speaker 200:03:23As a result, key customers continue to focus on capital conservation efforts, which has constrained research and development budgets. This continues to result in a longer decision making process causing customers to strategically prioritize and stage their programs. We are not seeing signs of near term recovery that we expected when we provided prior guidance and expect those trends to persist at least through the end of 2023. Unfortunately, this has been a consistent theme throughout our industry. Our nucleic acid production segment had revenue of 51,000,000 This includes an estimated $36,000,000 of base nucleic acid production revenue. Speaker 200:04:08The biologic safety testing revenue was $16,000,000 in the 3rd quarter. Turning to Slide 6. As you're all aware, Maravai grew at an exceptional rate during the pandemic as we scaled the manufacturing of CleanCap to unprecedented quantities For mRNA based COVID-nineteen vaccines in the global pandemic response, we rose to serve a Critical global need and are immensely proud of our accomplishments in that regard. During this period, we were also able to significantly scale our GMP capabilities To build 4 new facilities, to increase R and D and commercial investments and to acquire the Mi Chem and Altazyme businesses. As we evolve Maravai post pandemic, industry needs have changed. Speaker 200:04:58Upon taking over as CEO at the end of July, The leadership team and I have taken a hard look at our requirements moving forward. The actions we announced today will enable us to rebalance the organization By significantly reducing labor and discretionary costs and to focus on key strategic areas of investment To accelerate long term and sustainable growth, we've made several difficult decisions, Including resizing and reorganizing many teams throughout the company to ensure we're serving our customers' needs in the most nimble and efficient ways possible. Please refer to Slide 7 for details on the restructuring initiative. We are eliminating approximately 100 positions And making significant reductions to other non labor expense areas to enable more efficient operations while continuing to support investment in our high growth focus We are targeting at least $30,000,000 in annualized cost reductions to be realized over the course of 2024 from these actions. It is difficult to say goodbye to the many talented and committed colleagues who were integral to our success through the pandemic And I want to thank them for their many contributions. Speaker 200:06:16We will actively support them as they identify their next opportunities, And we look forward to what they will achieve as they bring their experience from Maravai to their next roles. Let's move to Slide 8 To provide more color on the organization's shape moving forward. As we resize the organization, we are streamlining and clarifying our organizational structure, roles and responsibilities to support our strategy, enable sustainable growth and better serve our customers. Maravai has a strong reputation of making smart acquisitions and each of our company brands have a long history of being best in class. Customers rely on TriLink, Cygnus, Glen Research and Alphazyme to support their scientific endeavors. Speaker 200:07:04Moving forward, operating divisions have been redefined and renamed to reinforce our strong brands, Where we've specialized expertise, insight and experience needed by our customers to advance their work. In our nucleic acid production segment or NAP, we now have 4 business units, TriLink Discovery, Trilink GMP, Glenn Research and Alphazyme. Drew Burch has been promoted to the role of President for the Nucleic Acid Production segment. Each business unit within the NAP segment will be led by a general manager, who will drive focus around developing solutions that meet customer needs at the appropriate Our TriLink Discovery and TriLink GMP business units are now better positioned to respond to those different needs. Diving into the different needs of our customers, the TriLink Discovery business unit will be focused on working with customers at the front end of the funnel. Speaker 200:08:04TriLink Discovery will include all research use only for RUO products and services, including all reagents, The Mi Chem custom chemistry business and mRNA manufacturing for screening and target discovery. This is where the majority of our trialing customers are today in the discovery and preclinical position. Our clients typically Start working with us by purchasing Research Use Only grade mRNA or reagents. Many customers start with us in discovery before they have identified their targets. With these inputs, they are screening, developing, scaling up their processes and overcoming development challenges. Speaker 200:08:45They want to get to market faster with the best possible candidates. They need rapid turnaround and would like to run larger screens at smaller scales. Once our customers have refined their targets and selected lead candidates, that is when TriLink GMP can step in seamlessly And help them progress through their clinical phases. TriLink GMP products and services are extremely important And highlight how we are partnering with customers throughout their journey into late phase GMP manufacturing. We ensure that RUO grade material provided in Discovery can translate right to our GMP suites, including the New Flanders 1 and 2 facilities. Speaker 200:09:29Our TriLink GMP includes GMP CleanCap analogs, GMP NTPs, Analytical Services and GMP mRNA Production Services. Our Biologic Safety Testing Segment still comprises Cygnus Technologies and includes the Mach V brand. Cygnus continues to be led by Executive Vice President, Christine Dolan. We believe these changes better define roles and responsibilities for our leadership teams for decision making agility Becky Bazio is evolving to ensure they are a comprehensive strategic organization that can provide critical functional and system support Across all businesses. Our traditionally founder based acquisitions are generally product and technology led and do not have mature commercial So we expect our new commercial organization to accelerate growth and increase visibility. Speaker 200:10:36This consolidated commercial engine will provide key enabling resources and tools to all of the Maravai businesses. Becky oversaw the genesis of TriLink GMP, formerly referred to as Nucleic Acid Services and helped recruit its General Manager, Kevin Lynch. I want to thank her for pulling double duty over the past year and now this new structure will allow her to focus solely on sales and commercial execution. We will also continue to invest in our unique analytical capabilities. We have launched TriLink's Analytical Sciences Center of Excellence, A centralized hub for advancing testing of nucleic acids to simplify mRNA drug substance characterization and accelerate critical therapeutic development. Speaker 200:11:21Leading on decades of technical expertise, TriLink continues to lead the market with mRNA specific analytical services, Having developed and qualified 10 types of unique methods for the characterization of mRNA covering 40 various constructs. With this expansion, the center of excellence builds upon TriLink's comprehensive method development for construct specific assays And has added new instrumentation to enable NMR, next gen sequencing and lipid nanoparticle characterization. The Center of Excellence will continue to be responsible for developing cutting edge analytical methodologies, including mRNA fingerprinting and sequencing. We believe these changes better reflect our core strengths, highlight our best in class brands, support the different RUO and GMP needs of our customers And enable all of our teams to work effectively and grow sustainably. Moving into our future growth on Slide 10. Speaker 200:12:24We see many opportunities ahead. And as we outlined at our Investor R and D Day in September, we have identified a path over the 5 year to greater than $700,000,000 in organic revenue. We will continue to focus on driving improvements to regain our industry leading adjusted EBITDA margin And we believe the cost realignment initiatives we are taking now will allow us to realize that goal even at today's volumes. Our partnership agreements continue to expand. We entered into 5 new agreements in the 3rd quarter, 2 for new kids, 1 clinical licensing agreement and 2 CDMO enablement agreements. Speaker 200:13:06On Slide 11, we highlight a few of these agreements. Our newly signed partnership agreement with Thermo Fisher has CleanCap incorporated into their bench scale in vitrogen message machine in vitro transcription kits. For those of you not familiar with these kits, the products are used by many researchers for in vitro transcription of RNA synthesis For a variety of purposes, including in vitro functional studies, labeling and tagging, Small animal studies and therapeutics development. These types of partnerships allow Maravai to expand our product and technology reach And get into more customer workflows early to partner from Discovery through commercialization. We also signed a clinical license agreement with Precision Biosciences for them to utilize GMP inputs in their mRNA Arcus genome editing platform. Speaker 200:14:01In vivo gene editing has the potential to permanently cure genetic diseases. Arcus is a precise and versatile genome editing technology With the distinct potential to insert, excise or eliminate DNA in a broad spectrum of genetic diseases. In late September, we entered into a nonexclusive supply agreement for several of our CleanCap analogs to be used in the ELIXIRGIN Scientific Japan Incorporated mRNA development and manufacturing services for preclinical through Phase 3 programs, including CleanCap M6, This agreement aligns with our objective to enable greater access Worldwide to all CleanCap mRNA technologies. In addition, we also reviewed a multi year supply agreement Intellia Therapeutics, a pioneering genome editing company. This strategic collaboration ensures the consistent Provision of CAP analogs and other reagents and strengthens our partnership devoted to advancing the development of mRNA based solutions in gene editing. Speaker 200:15:11We along with Intellia recognize the transformative potential of mRNA technologies and gene editing and are resolute in our joint endeavor for groundbreaking By combining our expertise in nucleic acid based products with Intellia's groundbreaking genome editing capabilities, We are poised to make significant strides in shaping the future of medicine and bettering global human health. Moving to Slide 12. Maravise innovation and people continue to receive recognition. In this quarter, we were honored with several awards. Cygnus Technology received a 2023 R and D 100 award from R&D World Magazine in the analytical test Category for the Mach V RVLP kit. Speaker 200:15:57The Mach V RVLP kit enables bioprocess scientists To determine retrovirus like particle or RVLP removal during biopharmaceutical manufacturing in Chinese hamster ovary or CHO cell lines. By using the MOXI RV LP kit, scientists can gain actionable insight into retroviral clearance whenever they wish from their own lab bench Rather than requiring the use of a contract research organization and do their own testing at a fraction of the cost associated with prior viral clearance studies. CleanCap M6, our next generation CAP analog Received the 2023 Pharma Innovations Award from Pharma Manufacturing. We spoke about M6 during our last conference call And also highlighted its benefits during our R and D Day. But to suffice to say, we are really excited by the product and expect M6 Help developers and researchers maximize the impact of their mRNA programs, while reducing overall manufacturing costs, Ultimately bringing life changing medicines to the market faster. Speaker 200:17:08Drew Burch, who leads our nucleic acid production segment Was named to the San Diego Business Journal's 2023 list of leaders of influence in life sciences. And our Chief Innovation Officer, Doctor. Kate Proderick, to the 2023 Pharma Voice 100 list, which recognizes the most inspiring leaders in the life sciences. We couldn't be more proud of Drew and Kate and their accomplishments and for the industry's recognition of our innovative products. Turning to Slide 13. Speaker 200:17:40As we look ahead to the completion of 2023 and prepare for 2024, We believe we have the right technologies and are in the right markets to achieve long term growth. We remain focused on growing our base business across all business units And on expanding margins through significant operating leverage. I remain excited about our future, our capabilities and what we can achieve together With the mission to make a meaningful impact improving human health through the next generation of medicines. I'm confident that with the realignment of our businesses, We have the team, the organizational structures, technologies and talent to deliver on our long term objectives. As we close out the Q3 of the year, we remain focused on expanding our product portfolio, Advancing our market leadership in the mRNA space and continuing to strategically invest in innovative R and D and our commercial operations to support our base business Our revised outlook for 2023, which Kevin will discuss in greater detail in a moment, considers the Q3 results and more modest expectations for the Q4 due mainly to the broader market headwinds previously discussed. Speaker 200:18:53I'll now ask Kevin to provide the details on our Q3 performance and our updated guidance. Kevin? Speaker 400:19:02Thank you, Trey, and good afternoon, everyone. Starting on slide 15. As per our press release this afternoon, Our Q3 2023 revenues were $67,000,000 below our expectations for the quarter as the ongoing macro and industry specific softness Continues to pressure the base business across both segments. As for earnings per share, both our GAAP based Basic and diluted EPS were at $0.05 per share loss, while adjusted fully diluted EPS was $0.01 per share loss for the quarter. Our GAAP based net loss before the amount attributable to non controlling interests was $15,100,000 for the Q3 of 20 Adjusted EBITDA, a non GAAP measure was $11,900,000 for Q3, Up from $9,100,000 in the most recently completed Q2 of 2023. Speaker 400:20:02Our adjusted EBITDA margin was 18% In the Q3, for the 1st 9 months of 2023, our adjusted EBITDA, a non GAAP measure, Was $44,800,000 resulting in an adjusted EBITDA margin of 21%. As discussed in the last quarter, we remain focused on balancing our investment in our facilities and our labor to best position us for the future, While also actively managing our expense structure to address our current revenue outlook. As we continue to see the soft market conditions, we decided it was necessary to realign our cost structure more aggressively to the current demand environment. As Trey previously covered, Today, we announced a structured initiative that is targeting at least a $30,000,000 reduction in our annualized spend based on recent expense levels. These decisions are never easy, but we feel reflecting necessary adjustment to address the broader business pressure we've all been faced with in 2023 And heading into 2024. Speaker 400:21:09We will be actively reducing our labor force by approximately 15% or about 100 employees, Primarily in the nucleic acid production operations areas and in our supporting general and administrative functions. This reduction yields roughly $23,000,000 in lower labor expenses that will be realized in 2024. In addition to these reductions, we've identified another $7,000,000 in non labor expense reductions to achieve a minimum of $30,000,000 in total annualized We believe these cost reductions help to align our cost structure to the current environment and our prudent actions as we wait the broader market conditions To improve and return to revenue growth over time that we are confident in given the markets we serve and the strength and quality of our technology, products And services. Now let's turn to Slide 16. We ended Q3 with $580,000,000 in cash, a level flat to the end of the second Gross debt, which has a term until late 2027 is at $534,000,000 Our adjusted free cash flow for the quarter was $400,000 Adjusted free cash flow is a non GAAP measure that we define as adjusted EBITDA Less capital expenditures. Speaker 400:22:28The free cash flow in the quarter reflected our adjusted EBITDA less net capital expenditures of $11,500,000 Tied to the ongoing outfitting of our nucleic acid trucks and GMP facilities at our Flanders location in San Diego. Now turning to Slide 17. I'll now provide some more insights into our business segment financial performance for the quarter. The nucleic acid production business revenues were $51,000,000 in the 3rd quarter, down slightly from the $53,000,000 for the 2nd quarter. Nucleic acid production represented 77% of the company's total revenue in the quarter and generated $17,000,000 And adjusted EBITDA in the quarter, a segment margin of 32%. Speaker 400:23:10On a year to date basis, adjusted EBITDA for the segment was $59,000,000 A margin of 35% on the 9 month revenues of $166,000,000 Included in the results of the nucleic Production segment for the Q3 is our estimate of Clean Cap revenues from our large COVID-nineteen vaccine customers of $15,000,000 consistent with our Previously discussed expectations for the quarter. Our Biologic Safety Testing business revenues were $16,000,000 in the 3rd quarter, Contributing 23% of our total revenues. Our Biologics Safety Testing business contributed $11,000,000 of adjusted EBITDA in the quarter, a margin of 72%. For the 1st 9 months of 2023, our BST segment recorded adjusted EBITDA $35,000,000 on revenues of $49,000,000 a 72% adjusted EBITDA margin. Corporate expenses that are not included in the Segment adjusted EBITDA totals I just spoke were $16,000,000 in the quarter in line with recent averages. Speaker 400:24:15Now turning to Slide 18 and our updated financial guidance for 2023. We are lowering our expected range of total revenues for 2023 $275,000,000 to $285,000,000 at the midpoint, this is slightly more than a $30,000,000 reduction in revenues for the year. This is disappointing given the reduction in the full year 2023 guidance from our last quarter call, but reflects our view that we are a little less optimistic about signs of near term We expect our base business to remain around the recent quarterly levels in Q4. To break this down a little further, on the top line, we see the nucleic acid production segment at around $213,000,000 to 221,000,000 Which includes an estimate of $61,000,000 in Clean Cap sales for COVID related vaccine demand. As you recall on our prior call, We have stated we had $65,000,000 in clean cap POs for the year and that those POs all remain. Speaker 400:25:12However, one customer has communicated that they using about half of their orders to support non COVID programs that are advancing in clinical trials. Thus, we have adjusted our estimate for the fiscal year down $4,000,000 To best reflect what we understand to be our customers' COVID vaccine specific demand for CleanCap. As we have discussed previously, Our Clean Cat franchise has multiple chemical analogs, which are not target specific and thus can be used across indications by our end customers. We feel this dynamic likely extended the usage of existing inventory by our customers across their mRNA programs, Thus further complicating the assessment of end market demand and future large volume clean cap disability. Now removing the $61,000,000 estimated COVID demand, our base NAP segment is estimated about 156 1,000,000 in projected revenues for fiscal year 2023 at the midpoint. Speaker 400:26:08This reflects a decline of roughly 27% from 2022 levels. We expect our biologic safety testing revenues this year to be about $62,000,000 to $64,000,000 shifting slightly lower than our previous estimate of $65,000,000 to $70,000,000 for 2023. The business continues to see the leveling of demand in the $15,000,000 to $18,000,000 per quarter ranges that we have seen since Q2 of 2022. And we've also seen 4th quarter levels dip a little bit historically tied to CDMO manufacturing cycles. Based on this updated full year guidance and the 9 months that are in the books, the resulting expectations for the 4th quarter Our for total revenues of between $60,000,000 $70,000,000 with the NAP segment at around $51,000,000 at the midpoint of our range, including an of $18,000,000 of CleanCap COVID vaccine revenues and our BST segment to be around $14,000,000 or so at the midpoint of our range for Q4. Speaker 400:27:04Due to lower revenue expectations for 2023, we are updating our estimated earnings metrics. We now anticipate adjusted fully diluted EPS In the range of $0.01 loss to $0.01 per share in earnings and our adjusted EBITDA to be between $55,000,000 $60,000,000 And adjusted EBITDA margin of about 20% to 21% on our updated revenue guidance. Additionally, we expect the following financial Expectations as listed on Slide 19. Interest expense and net of interest income between $16,000,000 18,000,000 Depreciation and amortization between $40,000,000 $42,000,000 stock based compensation, which we show as a reconciling item from GAAP to non GAAP EBITDA To be between $34,000,000 $36,000,000 This also includes an as if fully converted share count of about 252,000,000 shares And an adjusted effective tax rate of about 24%. Now before I turn it back over to Trey, I want to mention that due to the limited 2024 demand visibility from our larger customers, combined with the ongoing work surrounding our cost realignment initiative, We do not yet have the level of confidence to provide initial guidance for next year as we have historically done on our Q3 call. Speaker 400:28:20We believe it prudent to focus on closing out We are executing our cost reduction work and continuing to work with our customers to understand their 2024 needs. We anticipate providing 2024 guidance in the early part of next year. Speaker 200:28:37I will now turn the call back over to Trey. Trey? Thanks, Kevin. So to wrap up our prepared remarks on Slide 21, we believe the cost cutting initiatives we announced, While difficult, position us well for the future. Our overall base of customers is expanding and diversifying. Speaker 200:28:58This along with our new corporate structure that is better equipped to serve those customers' needs will support a future of sustainable growth. Though market conditions remain challenging in the near term, we are confident in the expected long term growth rates For biologics, for mRNA medicines, for gene editing and for gene and cell therapy. We believe our serviceable addressable market will double Over the next 5 years and we expect to be able to outpace market growth with differentiated technology, products and services. We will continue to put our cash flow and balance sheet to work with select organic investments in our facilities and analytics and product innovations. We will also continue to look for opportunities for inorganic investment to bolster our market position and provide our customers with additional solutions. Speaker 200:29:51We are committed to building a strong foundation for long term profitable and sustainable growth for our base business. Kevin, Becky, Drew and I are all happy to answer your questions. So now I'll turn the call back over to the operator for instructions. Operator00:30:16The floor is now open for your questions. You will be provided the opportunity to ask one question and one further follow-up question. Your first question comes from the line of to Jeff Savant with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open. Speaker 500:31:02Hey, guys. Good evening and thanks for the time here. Maybe I'll start with one big picture one on Trey and just the visibility particularly into the pharma customer base, So emerging biotech, I believe is about 30% of your total revenue exposure. Can you share just some color on the customer conversations there that you're hearing, Especially through November here. And you also mentioned some key customers focusing on capital conservation. Speaker 500:31:29So it sounds like it's A very similar dynamic at your larger biopharma customers as well. Is that a fair interpretation? Speaker 300:31:37Hi, Jehos. Yes. Thank you. Your number is about right for small and medium public company exposure around 30% of our revenue year to date. And also correct that the activity through LargeCap Pharma has continued consistently. Speaker 300:31:59There have been actually quite a few recent licensure announcements that I'm sure Everyone has noticed. But we see against again that rationalization of program progression and of course A completely different time frame expectations than we experienced through the pandemic for that progression And a return to normalcy that I think we all in the industry hope is somewhere in between The rapid progression of the pandemic and the time before, but I would say probably the best person for me to add color there might be Becky, who has just recently had some pretty high level large pharma customer visits. Speaker 600:32:59Hi there. Yes, We've been talking to many clients, big pharma, small biotech, even academic clients. For sure, budgets are tight. We also are getting a lot of information around program So slowing new entrants into their pipeline and really progressing Programs that have the best view of a positive outcome. There are continual conversations around de risking program. Speaker 600:33:41So Many times what this means is getting additional development data packages so that the filing Successful. So with that, we're seeing some delay in filing those initial INDs and instead Kind of going back and doing further optimization on sequences and analytics. Operator00:34:11Next question Your line is open. Speaker 700:34:23Hi, thanks. This is Tom Peterson on for Catherine. I appreciate you taking the time for our question today. I I was wondering to start if you could first speak to what you saw throughout the business as the quarter progressed, particularly in September. I guess, what was the active rate in the quarter? Speaker 700:34:39And what have you seen into October? Speaker 300:34:44Yes, sure. We have a bit of a 3rd month effect. I think we've described that previously, Where we have prescheduled shipments that go out at the end of each quarter. Largely speaking though Part of the reason for our guide down is, I would say, particularly soft July And August, more in line with that July. So September, again, with the 3rd month effect, was relatively strong But we are now guiding to essentially a constant rate for the rest of the year of what we saw in Q3. Operator00:35:35Our next question comes from the line of Matt Larew with William Blair. Your line is open. Speaker 800:35:45Hi, good afternoon. One thing you reiterated today was The long term guidance through 2028 and assuming that the COVID contribution you gave at the R and D Day holds, That would require a base business CAGR of 25% over that timeframe. And The base business grew around 23% from 2018 to 2022. So this would be a faster CAGR on a larger base through 28. So given how much uncertainty there is in the end market, could you just maybe speak to the confidence level In the long term trajectory and understanding you're not giving 2024 guidance, To hit those levels, we have to start growing again at some point. Speaker 800:36:37So when do you really start tracking back or working your way back to that level of growth It's required to hit those long term targets. Speaker 300:36:49Yes, sure. Thanks, Matt. This has obviously been a bit of a correction year and we are I think From a correction standpoint, the TAM and SAM markets, the Estimates that people use, including us, will probably be adjusted down for a bit of a step down. And as you say, then it's about what growth rates are coming back out. And as you identified, we have our base business and we have the COVID program Material, I would say the example we had where we took single digit millions out of the COVID It's a good example of how we see activity already starting to shift across a broader base of non COVID programs. Speaker 300:37:41And again, our material inputs are fungible in that way. We do definitely have 2023's Looked COVID clean cap to work around, but we also have a lot of confidence in the long term growth rates And in particular, look forward to as we announced 2 partnerships that are in the CRISPR gene editing area today. We look forward to what we think will be a very exciting growth and market uptake for CRISPR gene editing, Which is both the therapy in itself in a tool to make cell and gene therapies. And I think a lot of the activity there Has been well publicized. So we're looking forward to a much broader and less Concentrated customer base with many more programs progressing and are very optimistic about the growth in the mRNA, Gene and Cell Therapy and CRISPR gene editing markets over that 5 year period. Operator00:38:54Our next question comes from the line of Michael Reitzkin with Bank of America. Your line is open. Speaker 900:39:04Great. Thanks. I'm actually going to ask a 2 First, I want to follow-up on exactly the last point, but maybe I'll just drill in on the near term a little bit more on the non COVID Peace. I mean you've had just on dollar terms declines there for 3 or 4 quarters in a row now and you're guiding to another decline In 4Q, I believe. Can that segment grow next year? Speaker 900:39:29Or have you sort of Zeroed out all the adjustments and all the rebasing that needs to happen, just because there was a period of such elevated growth in the prior years, especially as you say some of that stuff can move between COVID and non COVID pretty easily. I'm just trying to figure out what the right floor for that is when that can start growing again. And This year in the 150s, is that a floor or is there still some more excess non COVID to come out of that? And then if I can squeeze in a second part, I want to ask about the cost cuts, the $30,000,000 First, I want to make sure, Is any of that having a benefit in 4Q or is it only really kicking in next year? And if you could just provide a little bit more specifics, Is it on the it sounds like it was pretty heavily on the manufacturing side, but also on SG and A. Speaker 900:40:20If you could just sort of break that through across the different buckets, how should think about it? That'd be helpful. Thanks. Speaker 1000:40:26Yes. Michael, I'll start with the second part of your question on the cost realignment initiative. Yes, I would say geographically on the P and L, it's roughly going to be 50% hitting COGS line, the operational reductions Primarily in our nucleic acid production segment sort of right size those operations to the post pandemic volumes that we're seeing And the other 50% predominantly is going to hit our SG and A line. The focus a little bit more on the G and A component as we continue to See the appropriate investments in our commercial channel paying dividends for us over time. So basically a fifty-fifty split between COGS And SG and A. Speaker 1000:41:07We have been cognizant certainly of the revenue declines throughout the course of this year and invested have cut back certain discretionary spend items and Actually, yesterday was the primary day in which we took action on the elimination of roughly the 100 physicians. So those certainly will incur a one time severance charge here in our Q4 and roughly be out of Our ongoing P and L for a portion of this quarter, that's why I think when you see the decline in our revenue guidance, you see that coming in With a little less dynamic impact to the EBITDA guidance that we had previously given in previous quarters, it's partially mitigated by some of the Conscientious cost controls as well as the impact of the layoffs that we did yesterday. Andre, I don't know if you want to comment on the revenue progression. Speaker 300:42:02Yes. I mean, a big part admittedly in the In the 1st 90 days here for me has been looking at our monthly revenue progression and performance and focusing really on The reorg and restructure activities with facing the reality that we See today, we are certainly optimistic that this the Let's say the leg down in July August will be We'll set the stage for the next level of growth, but are certainly not Ready to call that pivot point. So the again, the reorg, the realignment Has been based on the 1st 3 months where I've been in seat here, which unfortunately have been 3 lower months of revenue compared to the past, but we're on a I think a relatively stable keel now going forward and have taken Basically a more of the same approach for Q4 for the rest of the year, which is the reason for the guide down. Operator00:43:35Our next questions Come from the line of Conor McNamara with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open. Speaker 1100:43:46Hey guys, thanks for taking the questions. I think I've got one for each of you around the $30,000,000 cost cuts. First, Trey, if you think about those cost cuts, I mean, it sounds like they're in manufacturing and probably some in sales. Does that how does that, if any, impact your ability to hit the growth Rates that you've talked about historically and at your R and D Day, if you're still going to hit that target, Will these cuts allow that? And then as a follow-up, Kevin, just assuming you still can't hit your revenues, should we just think about that $30,000,000 helps that Whatever your EBITDA margin target was that you had outlined for those plans? Speaker 300:44:29Yes. I'll take the Speaker 1000:44:30first the last second part of that and just touch on it. Yes, again, those reductions are about half in the operating lines and And about half in the SG Speaker 400:44:39and A line, but predominantly more Speaker 1000:44:41in G and A and not on the commercial side, as again, we continue to invest. That's also important, I think, as we went through exercise, it was we looked at the business in a couple of different manners. Speaker 400:44:54We looked at the overall reduction in kind Speaker 1000:44:57of cash costs, which are predominantly labor and variable costs, and it's around the 20% reduction of those But we are very specific in targeting areas that we thought we could reduce without impacting Our ability to grow at the rates in the modeling in which we're projecting going forward, and I think we've done that and that all the teams across the company and the new Leadership that we have came together to agree on a plan that both had financial targets, but also made sense operationally and made sense So, Tres, he's reorganizing the company in the manner that we want to move going forward. So, yes, I think we feel we've made the right reductions that are real estate based on what revenue currently has, but does not hamstring us to hit our long term growth objectives. So I'll just I'll leave that component of the question there. Speaker 300:45:49Yes. And I'll add, it's an insightful question. I would say that really our And again, fifty-fifty between operations and G and A. So there are two elements to it. From an operations footprint This is all essentially fixed labor where you set up shifts and have capacity available, Whether it's chemistry production or contract mRNA or and so on, and I would say The level that we made changes there is really a function of 2 overlapping principles, one being That we were holding some capacity for residual COVID business and The decline of the residual legacy Tiny Pandemic COVID business is faster than expected over the last two quarters. Speaker 300:46:45So that's a faster decline. And then the diversified next generation Marlbuy business, We're essentially dialing in a slower potential growth rate of that In conjunction with the faster decline in COVID. So it is an insightful question because we certainly have The capacity and capability needed for the broader and more diversified customer group to do many more things within R and Unfortunately, it will not be 70% of sales for 1, calm down for 1 customer like it was In 2021 to 2022, it will be a much more diversified group of smaller projects, which I hope brings stability and predictability to the business. On the P and A side, it's a similar, I would say realization that our company in its current size that you're all very well aware of Doug can't afford or sustain necessarily the level of corporate shared services that we had imagined at a size 3 to 4x, Our current size. So we will we do obviously attempt to be a high growth Hi, I'm just an EBITDA company. Speaker 300:48:09And as we grow at a slower rate back from this place, We will have the ability to incrementally add, but our fundamental structural capabilities and operations are still there where they need to be, strategically aligned. Speaker 1000:48:24Yes. And specific to the question on margin, Conor, I mean, certainly, one way to look at this is certainly look at this as if it sort of had occurred at the beginning of this year, Which would take sort of an adjusted basis are roughly low 20% margin that we're talking about today in our guidance And increasing that to roughly 30% or so. And I think that from our perspective, It's the right thing to do in the current environment. I will tell you that we are not a big cost structure company. So this was a big reduction for us And a lot of our ability to derive our gen expansion in the levels we're at now will certainly come from top line growth, And that will continue to be the case. Speaker 1000:49:09And but we did feel obviously that it is prudent to adjust our cost structure And be able to reset, streamline our operations in light of the tough macro environment. And just frankly because certainly the visibility to This return to growth is still hazy for most people in our industry and not overly clear. I don't think anyone's assuming that there is Spring back January 1, 2024, I think it's going to continue to be working with our customers, understanding their needs And positioning ourselves to support that, that's what we're currently doing, and that's certainly one of the main reasons we're deferring our 2024 guidance until we Operator00:50:04Our next question comes from the line of Dan Arias with Stifel. Your line is open. Speaker 1200:50:13Thanks for the questions here. Trey or Kevin, can you just maybe talk to Biologic Safety Performance in China and then outside of China, if you kind of compare what's going on there and then how you might expect those 2 buckets to trend into year end. I imagine China is the softer of the 2, but curious about the what the difference might actually look like there. Speaker 300:50:34Yes. Thank you. We Looking specifically at China BST, which again was a big growth driver for them in 2021 2022, really the difference Between what we've been talking about so far and that is that the leg down for China in PST really In the second half of last year and having just looked at a lot of the numbers, obviously, we are, I would say relatively stable at this new level. So there are year over year comparisons from growth That are now steady, that were harder for us certainly in second half last year and first half this year. So we see China not so far not taking any further steps down, but At a relatively stable rate for the past three quarters in BST specifically. Speaker 300:51:32Yes. And just Speaker 1000:51:32to put some numerical context In the Q2 of 2022, when we first saw this decline that Ray alluded to, China was about 19.5 percent of revenues for our BST business. In the most recently completed quarter, China was 19.5% of Revenues in the BSP business and its range from $18,400,000 to $22,900,000 in those periods that I just spoke to. So It's leveled out. We don't have, we believe, ongoing exposure to see that go much lower than that. I think that's the level that's going to support the Operator00:52:20Our next question comes from the line of Matthew Skis with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open. Speaker 600:52:29Hi, this is Yvie on for Matt. Any updates on the progress of And how are you thinking about bringing on additional capacity in a year where demand is being impacted by destocking, COVID rolling off and weaker pharma spend? Speaker 1000:52:43Yes, I'll start. Yes, certainly, not ideal to bring online additional capacity in These are decisions you make at least 2 years in advance just given the length it takes some of these Facilities and frankly, it's still necessary and we still think it was the right decision. We need to have redundancy for our manufacturing of clean cat planters What accomplishes that and obviously it was funded through our BARDA grant Flanders 2, again a big part of our commercial strategy and I'll let The others in the room comment on that, but that's certainly something that we're not rushing to finish, obviously, given the demand, but it is certainly something that in the context of commercial Discussions is an incredibly important asset that we need to have and is frankly table stakes to be a competitor And the nucleic acid solutions part of our business? Speaker 300:53:37Yes. So Flanders II specifically is where the mRNA services Happened at Phase 2 and beyond, we have our existing GMP services for chemistry and Speaker 1000:53:58So Speaker 300:54:04We have the ability to turn that on at the right time for the right customers. And obviously, with all the work we've done this quarter on Right sizing and realigning our operations footprint, we have not proactively leaned into And I Becky can probably just add a few comments because that's been Your primary focus here this last quarter. Speaker 600:54:33Yes, sure. I mean, look, we're incredibly excited about the Flanders 2 Building and I think that you're always going to be building ahead when you're offering more of that GMP manufacturing facility footprint. We have a number of customers that have come through our Research use only manufacturing services, they then progress to file an IND and we've made that GMP material for them and now they have interest and they're going into Phase 2 and then sometimes it's a Phase 2, 3 combo. And so in those cases where it lines up that we're going to be GMP ready mid next year, those are the customers that we're engaging with that are on that Same pathway to need that clinical material for Phase 2 or a Phase 2, 3 combo. And so we continue to progress that and I think that's a definitely a great development in our ability to continue to service customers and be Best in making clean cap mRNA, which is what is really what we do well. Operator00:55:49Next question comes from the line of Justin Bors with Deutsche Bank. Your line is open. Speaker 1300:56:00Hi, good afternoon, everyone. As you look at the composition of the NAP revenue to date and the funnel that you have now, Is there a way to help us think about what proportion is sort of recurring revenue Or a way to think about visibility going forward, that's sort of like part 1. And then part 2 would be just any thoughts on the competitive landscape. I know that your lead times have come down a lot and there's also been a lot of Capacity has come online across the industry as well. It would just be helpful to have a sense of your perspective On the landscape there as well. Speaker 300:56:46Yes. I'll take a quick stab at the competitive landscape and then hand to Drew For your first question, so the as we focus on the front end of the development funnel, There's more diffuse competition there where the competition in services specifically has come up Significantly, it's really at the large CDMO level, where there are fewer programs. So The competitive landscape is sort of meeting in the middle with large CMOs who have recently brought MR and A capacity to the market, Reaching back into earlier phases and discovery folks such as us progressing through from discovery through Phase 1, through Phase 2 and so on, since about 2 thirds of our TriLink revenue is discovery, We are really, I think, being more affected there by new project starts, slowdowns or delays Then specific competition. So then I'll hand to Drew for the first part of your question. Speaker 1400:58:00Sure. Thanks, Trey. Look, I think it's difficult to put a precise percentage on it in recurring revenue terms. I think we have there are customers In discovery order from us on a regular basis and that tends to recur, we have Some platforms that were built into that do quarter on a quarterly basis and that was applied regularly as you Get further into clinical trials, whether we're supporting with Reagents like Clean Cab or whether we're supporting with clinical trial services, it may be a recurring piece of business So long as that program continues to advance through the clinic, but the advancement of that program through the clinic May not occur on a regularly quarter regular quarterly basis, so there may be stocking events At certain phases of the clinical trial, and there may be manufacturing events at certain phases of the clinical trial. So Hopefully that helps get to your question, but it's really a mix of both and not always in a consistent quarterly pattern Operator00:59:25We are now out of time. I'd like to turn the call back over to Deb Hart, Senior Director, Investor Relations. Speaker 100:59:35Thank you, Jenny, and thanks, everyone, for your time today and for joining the call. We'll be at a couple of conferences next week and hope to catch up with many of you there.Read morePowered by