NYSE:SMRT SmartRent Q3 2023 Earnings Report $0.85 +0.01 (+1.10%) Closing price 05/30/2025 03:59 PM EasternExtended Trading$0.86 +0.01 (+1.08%) As of 05/30/2025 07:57 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast SmartRent EPS ResultsActual EPS-$0.04Consensus EPS -$0.05Beat/MissBeat by +$0.01One Year Ago EPS-$0.13SmartRent Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$58.10 millionExpected Revenue$59.34 millionBeat/MissMissed by -$1.24 millionYoY Revenue Growth+22.30%SmartRent Announcement DetailsQuarterQ3 2023Date11/7/2023TimeBefore Market OpensConference Call DateTuesday, November 7, 2023Conference Call Time10:30AM ETUpcoming EarningsSmartRent's Q2 2025 earnings is scheduled for Wednesday, August 6, 2025, with a conference call scheduled at 11:30 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by SmartRent Q3 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrNovember 7, 2023 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 9 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:01Hello and welcome to smartbrand.com, Incorporated Conference Call. Please note that this call is being recorded. I'd now like to hand over to the first speaker for today, Brian Ruttenberger. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:16Hello, and thank you for joining us today. My name is Brian Ruttenbur, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations for SmartRent. I'm joined today by Lucas Haldeman, Chairman and CEO and Hiroshi Okamoto, Chief Financial Officer. They will be Thank you, sir. Our results for the Q3 of 2023 as well as discussing guidance for the Q4 of the year. Speaker 100:00:37Before today's market open, we issued an earnings release And filed our 10 Q for the 3 months ended September 30, 2023, both of which are available on our Investor Relations section of our website, smartrent.com. Before I turn the call over to Lucas, I'd like to remind everybody that the discussion today may contain forward looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties. Various factors could cause our actual results to be materially different from any future results expressed or implied by such statements. These factors are discussed in our SEC filings, including our annual report on Form 10 ks and our quarterly report on Form 10 Q. We undertake no obligation to provide updates with regard to the forward looking statements made during this call, and we recommend that all investors review these reports thoroughly before taking a financial position in SmartRent. Speaker 100:01:29During today's call, we will refer to certain non GAAP financial measures. A discussion of these non GAAP financial measures along with the reconciliation to the most directly comparable GAAP measure is included in today's earnings release. We would also like to highlight that a 3rd quarter earnings deck is available on the Investor Relations section of our website. And with that, let me turn the call over to Lucas to review our results. Speaker 200:01:52Good morning. Thank you for joining our call. We reported a strong 1st 9 months of 2023 marked by nearly 40% improvement in revenue And a decrease in our operating losses by more than $40,000,000 In the Q3, we delivered both revenue and adjusted EBITDA within our guidance range. We grew total revenue by 22% year over year to more than $58,000,000 and we improved adjusted EBITDA to negative $5,000,000 An increase of approximately $1,500,000 sequentially and $12,600,000 from the Q3 of 2022. This quarter marks our 6th consecutive quarter of improved adjusted EBITDA, primarily driven by higher gross margin. Speaker 200:02:34In the Q3, we increased bookings from 2nd quarter levels by 57% to more than 49,000,000 We also expanded overall gross margin by nearly 5 percentage points from the 2nd quarter to more than 23% and from 2.5% last year. Hardware and hosted services gross margin hit record highs. We increased our cash position by $14,000,000 We believe that we will achieve sustainable positive cash flow from operations within 6 months after reaching profitability on an adjusted EBITDA basis. SmartRent continues to lead in innovation, creating new products that pave the way for the next generation of smarter living and working in rental housing. This quarter, I'm pleased to share that we're launching a product that has been years in the making. Speaker 200:03:19We're bringing our HUB plus device to rental housing, The latest best in class solution that we have built from the ground up. It's sleek, it's modern, it's smart. It's the next level of smart technology for our and combines the power of our smart home hub and a smart thermostat into one single device. It's less hardware to install and offers all the benefits of our other hubs and thermostats. It powers remote capabilities, simplified automation and more efficient operations. Speaker 200:03:48It's a product we are proud to bring to market and are encouraged by the positive feedback we're hearing from our customers. We are beginning to deploy the Hub Plus anticipate that we will see more meaningful results and revenue contribution in 2024. We are also moving forward with integrating new artificial intelligence applications into our products. The strategic application of AI is growing in importance for streamlining operations and rental housing. One example of how SmartRent is introducing AI to our solutions is a new feature in our work management product called Walk and Talk. Speaker 200:04:21This AI powered feature enables users to use natural language to describe tasks that need to be completed, like in unit repairs, and automatically creates and assigns work orders. Walk and talk saves site teams valuable time, empowering them to easily categorize and complete day to day tasks. Smart Run data shows that when utilizing walk and talk, Maintenance technicians can create a work order 70% faster. The efficiencies realized from automating countless tasks result in hours and dollars saved We continue to lead the industry by innovating new hardware and software solutions for the rental housing market. We are pleased with our results and our strengthening balance sheet. Speaker 200:05:02We remain on track to achieve adjusted EBITDA profitability by the end of the year And cash flow breakeven within the following 6 months. I will now turn the call over to Hiroshi to review the financials in more detail. Speaker 300:05:15Thank you, Lucas. Q3 marked a quarter of internal changes and operational improvements to reposition the company for sustainable future profitability and growth. Amidst this backdrop of changes, it was a quarter of solid revenue, expanding margins and narrowing adjusted EBITDA loss. As Lucas reiterated, we are on track to become adjusted EBITDA positive in Q4. In discussing the highlights for the quarter, I will group my points into the following categories. Speaker 300:05:441st, revenue and bookings growth 2nd, operational improvements and margin expansion And 3rd, profitability and cash optimization. Total revenue for the quarter was $58,100,000 Up 9% from Q2 and 22% from Q3 of last year. This was the 2nd highest quarter for revenue in the company's history Following Q1 of this year, the 1st three quarters of the year totaled $177,000,000 up 39% from 127,000,000 For the 1st 3 quarters of 2022 and already surpassing our total fiscal 2022 revenue of 168,000,000 By revenue stream, hardware revenue was $35,600,000 professional services was $6,000,000 and hosted services was $16,500,000 The composition of our revenue continues to evolve as our expanded product line is being adopted by our customers. ARPU for hardware continues on an Forward trajectory of 8% year over year. Professional services ARPU increased 32% year over year. Speaker 300:06:50SaaS ARR increased from $39,000,000 in Q2 to $43,000,000 in Q3 as we topped $10,000,000 in quarterly SaaS revenue for the first time. This was an increase of 12% sequentially and a 35% increase year over year. Total deployed units increased to 683,000 With 32,000 units being deployed this quarter, bookings for the quarter were 49,700,000 and 46,000 units, up 57% and 132%, respectively, from the previous quarter. Although we expect bookings to continue to be non linear from quarter to quarter, We are encouraged not only by the increases in bookings and booked units this quarter, but by bookings ARR ARPU being above $8 for the Q2 in a row. This demonstrates how our efforts to cross sell and up sell the suite of products are starting to flow through to our performance metrics. Speaker 300:07:42Operational improvements continue to drive gross margin expansion for hardware and hosted services. Total gross profit was $13,500,000 Compared to $10,000,000 last quarter $1,000,000 a year ago. Hardware margin increased to 23%, up from 21% last quarter and 5% a year ago Ann in absolute dollars contributed $8,100,000 Efficiencies in manufacturing, logistics and distribution continue to drive expanded margins in Hosted services contributed $10,600,000 of gross profit compared to $10,000,000 last quarter $7,000,000 a year ago. Hosted services margin increased to 64%, up from 63% last quarter 51% a year ago. SaaS Margins, a part of Hosted Services, held steady at 74%, an increase from 57% a year ago. Speaker 300:08:34Professional services gross margin declined in Q3 due to lower deployment volumes. However, I want to highlight that we have continued to invest in technology initiatives Over the past several quarters to allow our teams to be more efficient with installations and furthered our collaboration with trusted partners to augment our teams. The operational improvements we have implemented transforms our professional services to a more variable cost model. As we evolve the model toward generating a positive margin, We believe that we will have improved professional services margin in Q4 with continued improvement throughout 2024. Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter was negative 5,000,000 An improvement of 22 percent from Q2 of negative $6,400,000 Total operating expenses was 23,500,000 A decrease of 16% from $27,800,000 a year ago and an incremental increase from $22,000,000 in Q2 as we continue to grow our operations. Speaker 300:09:31The significant changes we made to our operating model in the pursuit of efficiency gains and optimizing processes is what will allow us to scale for long term growth and profitability. In addition to our focus on operational profitability, getting the business to generate cash has been equally important. Our cash balance increased to $211,000,000 from approximately $197,000,000 at the end of Q2, an increase of about $14,000,000 The increase in cash this quarter is not a result of the ADI arrangement, but is primarily due to improved inventory management and demand forecast to reduce our inventory levels as we gradually transition to ADI over the next year. We continue to have no debt, Maintain an undrawn credit facility of $75,000,000 and we reiterate that we expect to be free cash flow positive from operations in the first half of next year. Guidance for Q4 and full year 2023 are as follows. Speaker 300:10:26We are narrowing Q4 guidance for revenue to $58,000,000 to $63,000,000 from $58,000,000 to $70,000,000 We are reiterating adjusted EBITDA to be breakeven to positive $2,000,000 for the quarter. Accordingly, we are narrowing full year guidance for revenue to $235,000,000 to $240,000,000 from $233,000,000 to 250,000,000 We are narrowing adjusted EBITDA toward the higher end of the range to negative $20,000,000 to negative $18,000,000 from negative $22,000,000 to negative $18,000,000 I will now pass the call back to Lucas for closing remarks. Speaker 200:11:04Thank you, Hiroshi. In the latter half of twenty twenty three, we have remained focused on optimizing our operations to become adjusted EBITDA positive. Improvements in gross margin and tight control of operating expenses led to improved profitability, with adjusted EBITDA hitting a quarterly record since becoming a public company. We implemented technology initiatives and further augmented our implementation team with trusted partners to transform our professional services to more of a variable cost model, Which we believe will improve our professional services margin in Q4 and into 2024. We have a strong balance sheet And have clear visibility on cash flow in the near term. Speaker 200:11:44We will continue to evaluate our best uses of cash moving forward. Our IoT solutions are now deployed in more than 680,000 rental units. The total addressable opportunity in rental housing in the U. S. Stands at more than 40,000,000 units, offering ample room for growth. Speaker 200:12:01Each quarter, we penetrate more of the market by anticipating and responding to the needs our customers Our customers are generating strong returns from our solutions through enhancing their operations, protecting assets, generating revenues And improving the quality of living and working in their communities. As I shared earlier in our call, innovation is a cornerstone of our approach. We create, invest in and deploy offerings that add unparalleled value for our clients. It remains important for us to pursue both SaaS and hardware opportunities As our customers demand and benefit from the integration of Bolt's solutions, our powerful combination of our hardware and software products Has allowed us to scale and lead the prop tech industry. The ROI of our platform provides our customers ongoing incentive to roll out our solutions As property owners seek to optimize business operations. Speaker 200:12:55From protecting assets with our leak sensor technology to creating connected communities with community Wi Fi Automating workflows and tasks for site teams, our intentionally designed solutions power a better world and make living and working easier for all. Operator, please open the call for questions. Speaker 400:13:14We're Operator00:13:16opening the floor for the question and answer session. Our first question comes from Mikhail Vijay from KBW. Your line is now open. Speaker 500:13:32Hi, this is Nikhil Vijay on for Ryan Tomasello. Thank you for taking my questions. I have 2 for you. First, can you provide more color around what you are seeing in terms of macro and apartment end market conditions? Just curious how have customer conversations and overall demand been trending in light of the headwinds that the apartment operators being facing? Speaker 500:13:55And secondly, have you seen any changes in the M and A landscape in terms of the deal flow and valuations? And is that something you would still consider at the right price and strategic print? Speaker 200:14:11Thanks, Nikhil. I'll take both those. First on the macro environment, I think we're definitely seeing a softening Rent environment, we saw that from the latest public reports. It actually continues to be a tailwind for us as Owners and managers are really focused on reducing expenses and driving ancillary revenue, something that our platform That's both of those things. And so while we are seeing some softening in the market around rents, it's not hurting our demand at all. Speaker 200:14:46And then in terms of changes in the M and A environment, we continue to look as things come to market. We have not seen anything That we believe is an opportunity we should pursue at the moment, but always looking. And I think certainly as you see us move From adjusted EBITDA positive to free cash flow, I think that will open up some of the cash on the balance sheet to look at those opportunities. So Nothing to guide you to, Nikhil, but feeling good about where the market is. And I do think we're starting to see private company valuations come into line. Speaker 200:15:21Thanks for the question. Speaker 400:15:24Thank you. Operator00:15:27Our next question comes from Eric Woodring from Morgan Stanley, your line is now open. Speaker 600:15:34Awesome. Good morning, guys. Thank you very much for taking my questions. I'm going to try to sneak in 3 if I can. The first one maybe for you, Lucas, is just kind of bigger picture. Speaker 600:15:46Your unit deployments have trended lower in the last two quarters. I know that you are trying to kind of balance profitability and growth, But with you guiding down full year revenue slightly this quarter, it's a little hard to parse out what of this kind of deployment slowdown is Maybe intentional versus a product of the environment and demand from your customers. So is there any additional color that you can Share with us to just kind of help us gain comfort in the longevity of the different headwinds you're seeing to deployments, especially about when we think about deployments maybe getting back To growth, what we need to see to unlock that growth lever? Just a little more color would be very helpful. Thank you. Speaker 200:16:28Sure. Thanks for the question, Eric. I think last year at this time, I think it was the quarterly call this year, we really I tried to signal to investors and to the analyst community that we're diverging from the primary KPI of this business being new units And that we're really focused on growing revenue, but more importantly, getting to profitability. And so that means growing profitable revenue. And so What you've seen is that is the focus. Speaker 200:16:57We're focused on where is the ability to grow profitable revenue. It's not just about achieving top line results. So what where I kind of guide you to Eric is really we are looking to go to the higher end range of the adjusted EBITDA positive And what that means is slightly less total revenue, but ultimately what we feel like and what we've heard from the investment community is that Getting to that profitability and maintaining that is more important than achieving top line results. So I think what you're seeing in terms of new unit deployment It is completely intentional as we're really working to get to free cash flow positive. Speaker 600:17:38Okay. Very clear. Thank you. And then maybe my second question is for Hiroshi, but it's obviously great to see and to reiterate what you just said, Lucas, To see you guys expecting to reach EBITDA profitability in 4Q, I think the revenue guide implies A fairly similar level of revenue in 4Q to 3Q. But obviously, we need to see some improvement in the PS gross margins to reach EBITDA profitability, I think a fairly sizable tick up in PS gross margins. Speaker 600:18:13Can you just make sure help us understand how we should think about professional services gross margins in 4Q? And really what are the tools or the levers that will help you improve that margin profile in really Just 3 months. That would be helpful for us. Thank you. Speaker 300:18:34Sure. Thanks, Eric. I think in terms of the Trying to get to adjusted EBITDA profitable in Q4, you hit it right on the nose is we have to improve our pro services margins. And we know that we've been doing this for the last 6 quarters, improving adjusted EBITDA. So we really understand the levers that we need to pull to get there now. Speaker 300:18:57And in terms of post professional services, what it is, is that the variability of the margins really depends on the deployment volume still. But we've made we've developed some technologies, made some operational improvements to move that more to a variable cost basis. And one example of that is being able to monitor progress of our projects, not being on-site, but doing it remotely. So it's things like this that we have implemented really toward the end of Q3, where we'll see improvements in Q4. That's what gives us the comfort that we could get there. Speaker 600:19:36Okay. Very clear. And then maybe my last question is just, It looks like hardware revenue per new unit deployed in 3Q was up pretty tremendously both year over year and quarter over quarter. 1st, I just want to make sure I'm thinking about that correctly. And second, I just want to better understand kind of the underlying drivers of what's Driving that really strong hardware pricing because it does assume or it does imply that hardware pricing and new deployments Effectively doubled in the last 3 months. Speaker 600:20:07So just trying to get to the underlying factors driving that. Thanks so much. Speaker 300:20:12Yes. I think the underlying factor is that we are selling more products for customers that we're selling to. And examples of that would be the alloy access and self guided tour will be some of the products that we are selling In terms of cross sell. Speaker 600:20:33Eric, I'll just Speaker 200:20:33add a little color to that as well, Eric. I think what we're seeing This year is also a byproduct of not being supply constrained with Allied Access. And so a lot of our new deployments And for a while, our customers in front of us are both IoT hardware and common area access control hardware. You're also seeing A little bit of Wi Fi hardware coming in there. So some of what's driving it, it's not so much that, hey, the sort of same store IoT hardware It's dramatically different, but it's more hardware because of more products being adopted by our customer set. Speaker 600:21:09Okay, very clear. Thank you very much and congrats on the good quarter guys. Speaker 200:21:13Great. Thanks, Eric. Operator00:21:21Our next Question comes from Sidney Ho. Your line is now open. Speaker 400:21:27Great. Thank you. Good morning. I have a follow-up question to the prior question on the gross margin for professional services. You talked about that improving in Q4 based on the actions you are taking. Speaker 400:21:40Can you give us a sense where gross margin could be in Q4 particularly, but also at what revenue level should we think about that business being breakeven from a gross margin perspective. Speaker 200:21:54Hey, Sidney, thanks for the question. I'll give an answer and then Harish can add some color If he has anything else to say, I mean, I think what we said in some of the prepared remarks and I'll just kind of reiterate is really this was Q3 was sort of a culmination of a lot of internal development of technology To improve how we deploy resources as well as a transformation of how we actually go about doing the install. And so As you've seen sort of a stair step function, I feel like this is coming into Q4 as the Q1, we're not going to see that sort of stair step. It's a We've deployed a new strategy that's materially different. And the whole idea around this, Sydney, is that we can achieve Breakeven or slightly positive margins on professional services regardless of the volume of installs that we're doing. Speaker 200:22:45And so it's a transformation Driven by technology of moving from a really heavy fixed cost installation model to a much more variable cost model, So that we don't have to think about it in the same ways like to your question, Sidney, we don't have to think about it as I have to achieve X to hit breakeven that really that can move As the pace of install moves up and down. Speaker 300:23:08Yes. I think just Speaker 600:23:10to add Speaker 300:23:10to that. Sorry, we're not Providing guidance on our gross margins, but I think you could see a significant improvement in Q4. We hope to get that positive sometime in 2024, professional services I'm talking about. Speaker 400:23:26Got it. That's very clear. My follow-up question is, it's great to see that your booking units improved a lot this quarter. I think last quarter you talked about some customers not willing to put in new orders until the How have those conversations changed to drive that unit kind of booking unit growth that you saw? And along the same line, I noticed that booking dollars didn't grow as much as units. Speaker 400:23:50Can you talk about that dynamic as well? Speaker 200:23:54Yes. I think we feel like we had a good quarter of bookings. And just to reiterate, bookings will be lumpy. It moves around. It's not A linear function is not really a driver or indicator of our demand. Speaker 200:24:08There's a lot of different things at play depending on the customer. But I think What drove the strong bookings quarter this quarter in Q3 Was really around we did wrap up a fair number of customers' projects and took new orders as well as we had A good quarter of selling to new customers, getting some new customers on board. Speaker 400:24:34Okay. Maybe if I could squeeze in one more. Understanding it's too early to give guidance for next year, but considering the several changes in strategy that you guys are going through this year, Conceptually, how should we think about what's driving revenue growth next year? Maybe revenue is not the focus like you mentioned earlier, Lucas. Is it more unit deployment? Speaker 400:24:53Is it higher hardware ARPU or mainly on software SaaS? Maybe broadly speaking, what are the top priorities for the management team? Thanks. Speaker 600:25:02Well, I Speaker 200:25:02think the priorities continue to remain, we've said within 6 months we'll be free cash flow positive next year. So the priority remains achieving that, which It's really about driving our most profitable revenue. So internally, we don't think myopically about new units, but really around where our levers to Drive growth and cross sell and up sell continues to be a successful area where we're able to sell additional products to new customers. And then I think it really as you've seen and we did a press release, we've added another new product that we're selling the package room, smart package room. And so when you start looking across the landscape and say we have a large number of customers who have deployed IoT only, now we can offer access control, Wi Fi, Smart package rooms, work order management, property operations software that really optimizing that with our customers at the same time we're driving new growth Is a recipe for profitability. Speaker 400:26:03Great. Thank you very much. Speaker 700:26:05Thanks, Sidney. Operator00:26:08Our next question comes from Brett Knoblauch from Cantor Fitzgerald. Your line is Speaker 300:26:17Perfect. Hi, Lucas. Hi, Rochi. Thanks for taking my question. Speaker 700:26:22Maybe if we look at SAS R2, it was a nice kind of sequential growth there. Could you maybe go into the drivers behind that, more specifically into your existing Deployment based, what new products were they taking up in the quarter? Have you been more focused on kind of upselling them, Obviously, relative to the new units deployed, but curious to what products you're seeing really drive the improvement in SaaS or 2? Speaker 200:26:50Hey, Brett. Yes, thanks for the questions. I think it's a good question. I think we're seeing A lot of customers adding additional products, Access Control and Self Guided Tour are the 2 that come to mind as really a IOT access control and self guided tour that helps owners unlock savings and efficiencies in labor And really with the macro backdrop that I took in the first question from Nikhil, that's become a real focus. And so we're having a lot of success saying, hey, To be able to save on labor costs, these three products work in harmony together and you're seeing that come out in the ARPU. Speaker 200:27:30All three of those help drive ARPU growth. Speaker 700:27:34Perfect. And then maybe a question for Hiroshi on professional services. Obviously, with the Changes you're making in that segment, revenue declined this quarter. How should we think directionally about professional services Revenue in the Q4 and maybe as we look at 2024. Should we expect that revenue to be down next year? Speaker 300:28:00I think in terms of revenues For professional services for Q4, it would probably be similar to Q3. And Q4 24, we haven't given guidance yet, but we think it will be slightly up. Speaker 200:28:19Yes. I think just I'd like to just point you, Brett, towards Really professional services will vary based on new unit deployment and that it sort of It is what it is. The way we feel internally is once that's breakeven or slightly positive, it's less of a focus overall on the company. And that's where you'll see we have intentionally said we're not going to grow units as new units as quickly As we have in the past because we are focusing on cross sell, up sell profitability. And so it's less of an internal barometer than it once was for us. Speaker 700:29:00Understood. Appreciate it guys. Congrats on the quarter. Speaker 200:29:03Thanks, Brett. Operator00:29:07Our next question comes from Tom White from D. A. Davidson and Co. Your line is now open. Speaker 800:29:14Great. Thanks for taking my question. I'm not sure if I heard an update on WiFi in the prepared remarks. I realize Still early and it's kind of a longer sales cycle, but just curious how I guess, you can see traction there. And then just secondarily on the new kind of integrated hub, Speaker 400:29:33I don't know if that's a question. Speaker 800:29:34Can you just maybe talk a little bit more about How that might impact the financial model over the coming quarters? Is it sort of revenue opportunities? Is it about unlocking additional efficiencies for customers? Speaker 200:29:50Thanks, Tom. Yes, update on WiFi. Again, we think that Wi Fi really becomes a driver of significant revenue in 2025, but we remain Really enthusiastic about the demand we're seeing for that product. We have tremendous number of quotes that we've been generating, active jobs that we're working And still feel like that's going to be a very important piece of our platform going forward. We were just actually at one of our NMHC National Multi Housing Council shows and I was with a lot of customers and it's top of everyone's mind, not just our Wi Fi Product of Wi Fi in general. Speaker 200:30:29So I know it's an exciting time for this industry and I think we're going to capitalize on that. In terms of the new alloy hub plus the new integrated hub, there's not a material difference in top line revenue, But there'll be a pickup in gross margin because instead of installing a third party thermostat where we're a distributor of hardware, That hub is something we're making and so the thermostat, if you think about it, the margin on that will be higher. So we see a gross margin pickup And hardware from installing the Hub Plus. And more importantly, I think it really is a culmination of years of R and D that We've been working on to build this from the ground up, bring it to market. There's a lot of strategic importance around it, just around connectivity and where And less hardware and less time to install, and we're very excited by that. Speaker 300:31:25Yes. Just to add to that, I think we're introducing it right now. We won't see a meaningful improvement in gross margin in Speaker 200:31:44Thanks, Tom. Operator00:31:46Looks like we don't have any incoming questions as of right now. I'd now like to hand back over to the management for their final remarks. Speaker 200:31:56Thank you, operator. Thank you all for joining. I appreciate your support and taking time to listen and look forward to speaking with all soon. Have a great day. Operator00:32:06Thank you for everyone joining in today's session. We hope you found it useful. Have a wonderful day and stay safe.Read morePowered by Key Takeaways SmartRent reported Q3 revenue of $58.1 million, up 22% year-over-year, and improved adjusted EBITDA to a –$5 million loss, marking its sixth consecutive quarter of EBITDA improvement and meeting guidance. The company expanded gross margins to 23% on hardware and 64% on hosted services, increased bookings by 57% to $49.7 million, and bolstered its cash position by $14 million to $211 million while maintaining zero debt. SmartRent launched the all-in-one Hub Plus device—combining a smart home hub and thermostat—and rolled out AI-powered “Walk and Talk” work-order automation, expecting meaningful revenue contribution in 2024. For Q4, the company narrowed revenue guidance to $58M–$63M and projects adjusted EBITDA of breakeven to +$2 million, while full-year revenue is guided to $235M–$240M with adjusted EBITDA of –$20M to –$18M. AI Generated. 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Email Address About SmartRentSmartRent (NYSE:SMRT), an enterprise software company, provides an integrated smart home operating system to residential property owners and operators, homebuilders, institutional home buyers, developers, and residents in the United States. The company's products and solutions include smart apartments and homes, access control for buildings, common areas, and rental units, asset protection and monitoring, parking management, self-guided tours, and community and resident Wi-Fi. It also offers professional services to customers, which include training, installation, and support services. 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There are 9 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:01Hello and welcome to smartbrand.com, Incorporated Conference Call. Please note that this call is being recorded. I'd now like to hand over to the first speaker for today, Brian Ruttenberger. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:16Hello, and thank you for joining us today. My name is Brian Ruttenbur, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations for SmartRent. I'm joined today by Lucas Haldeman, Chairman and CEO and Hiroshi Okamoto, Chief Financial Officer. They will be Thank you, sir. Our results for the Q3 of 2023 as well as discussing guidance for the Q4 of the year. Speaker 100:00:37Before today's market open, we issued an earnings release And filed our 10 Q for the 3 months ended September 30, 2023, both of which are available on our Investor Relations section of our website, smartrent.com. Before I turn the call over to Lucas, I'd like to remind everybody that the discussion today may contain forward looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties. Various factors could cause our actual results to be materially different from any future results expressed or implied by such statements. These factors are discussed in our SEC filings, including our annual report on Form 10 ks and our quarterly report on Form 10 Q. We undertake no obligation to provide updates with regard to the forward looking statements made during this call, and we recommend that all investors review these reports thoroughly before taking a financial position in SmartRent. Speaker 100:01:29During today's call, we will refer to certain non GAAP financial measures. A discussion of these non GAAP financial measures along with the reconciliation to the most directly comparable GAAP measure is included in today's earnings release. We would also like to highlight that a 3rd quarter earnings deck is available on the Investor Relations section of our website. And with that, let me turn the call over to Lucas to review our results. Speaker 200:01:52Good morning. Thank you for joining our call. We reported a strong 1st 9 months of 2023 marked by nearly 40% improvement in revenue And a decrease in our operating losses by more than $40,000,000 In the Q3, we delivered both revenue and adjusted EBITDA within our guidance range. We grew total revenue by 22% year over year to more than $58,000,000 and we improved adjusted EBITDA to negative $5,000,000 An increase of approximately $1,500,000 sequentially and $12,600,000 from the Q3 of 2022. This quarter marks our 6th consecutive quarter of improved adjusted EBITDA, primarily driven by higher gross margin. Speaker 200:02:34In the Q3, we increased bookings from 2nd quarter levels by 57% to more than 49,000,000 We also expanded overall gross margin by nearly 5 percentage points from the 2nd quarter to more than 23% and from 2.5% last year. Hardware and hosted services gross margin hit record highs. We increased our cash position by $14,000,000 We believe that we will achieve sustainable positive cash flow from operations within 6 months after reaching profitability on an adjusted EBITDA basis. SmartRent continues to lead in innovation, creating new products that pave the way for the next generation of smarter living and working in rental housing. This quarter, I'm pleased to share that we're launching a product that has been years in the making. Speaker 200:03:19We're bringing our HUB plus device to rental housing, The latest best in class solution that we have built from the ground up. It's sleek, it's modern, it's smart. It's the next level of smart technology for our and combines the power of our smart home hub and a smart thermostat into one single device. It's less hardware to install and offers all the benefits of our other hubs and thermostats. It powers remote capabilities, simplified automation and more efficient operations. Speaker 200:03:48It's a product we are proud to bring to market and are encouraged by the positive feedback we're hearing from our customers. We are beginning to deploy the Hub Plus anticipate that we will see more meaningful results and revenue contribution in 2024. We are also moving forward with integrating new artificial intelligence applications into our products. The strategic application of AI is growing in importance for streamlining operations and rental housing. One example of how SmartRent is introducing AI to our solutions is a new feature in our work management product called Walk and Talk. Speaker 200:04:21This AI powered feature enables users to use natural language to describe tasks that need to be completed, like in unit repairs, and automatically creates and assigns work orders. Walk and talk saves site teams valuable time, empowering them to easily categorize and complete day to day tasks. Smart Run data shows that when utilizing walk and talk, Maintenance technicians can create a work order 70% faster. The efficiencies realized from automating countless tasks result in hours and dollars saved We continue to lead the industry by innovating new hardware and software solutions for the rental housing market. We are pleased with our results and our strengthening balance sheet. Speaker 200:05:02We remain on track to achieve adjusted EBITDA profitability by the end of the year And cash flow breakeven within the following 6 months. I will now turn the call over to Hiroshi to review the financials in more detail. Speaker 300:05:15Thank you, Lucas. Q3 marked a quarter of internal changes and operational improvements to reposition the company for sustainable future profitability and growth. Amidst this backdrop of changes, it was a quarter of solid revenue, expanding margins and narrowing adjusted EBITDA loss. As Lucas reiterated, we are on track to become adjusted EBITDA positive in Q4. In discussing the highlights for the quarter, I will group my points into the following categories. Speaker 300:05:441st, revenue and bookings growth 2nd, operational improvements and margin expansion And 3rd, profitability and cash optimization. Total revenue for the quarter was $58,100,000 Up 9% from Q2 and 22% from Q3 of last year. This was the 2nd highest quarter for revenue in the company's history Following Q1 of this year, the 1st three quarters of the year totaled $177,000,000 up 39% from 127,000,000 For the 1st 3 quarters of 2022 and already surpassing our total fiscal 2022 revenue of 168,000,000 By revenue stream, hardware revenue was $35,600,000 professional services was $6,000,000 and hosted services was $16,500,000 The composition of our revenue continues to evolve as our expanded product line is being adopted by our customers. ARPU for hardware continues on an Forward trajectory of 8% year over year. Professional services ARPU increased 32% year over year. Speaker 300:06:50SaaS ARR increased from $39,000,000 in Q2 to $43,000,000 in Q3 as we topped $10,000,000 in quarterly SaaS revenue for the first time. This was an increase of 12% sequentially and a 35% increase year over year. Total deployed units increased to 683,000 With 32,000 units being deployed this quarter, bookings for the quarter were 49,700,000 and 46,000 units, up 57% and 132%, respectively, from the previous quarter. Although we expect bookings to continue to be non linear from quarter to quarter, We are encouraged not only by the increases in bookings and booked units this quarter, but by bookings ARR ARPU being above $8 for the Q2 in a row. This demonstrates how our efforts to cross sell and up sell the suite of products are starting to flow through to our performance metrics. Speaker 300:07:42Operational improvements continue to drive gross margin expansion for hardware and hosted services. Total gross profit was $13,500,000 Compared to $10,000,000 last quarter $1,000,000 a year ago. Hardware margin increased to 23%, up from 21% last quarter and 5% a year ago Ann in absolute dollars contributed $8,100,000 Efficiencies in manufacturing, logistics and distribution continue to drive expanded margins in Hosted services contributed $10,600,000 of gross profit compared to $10,000,000 last quarter $7,000,000 a year ago. Hosted services margin increased to 64%, up from 63% last quarter 51% a year ago. SaaS Margins, a part of Hosted Services, held steady at 74%, an increase from 57% a year ago. Speaker 300:08:34Professional services gross margin declined in Q3 due to lower deployment volumes. However, I want to highlight that we have continued to invest in technology initiatives Over the past several quarters to allow our teams to be more efficient with installations and furthered our collaboration with trusted partners to augment our teams. The operational improvements we have implemented transforms our professional services to a more variable cost model. As we evolve the model toward generating a positive margin, We believe that we will have improved professional services margin in Q4 with continued improvement throughout 2024. Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter was negative 5,000,000 An improvement of 22 percent from Q2 of negative $6,400,000 Total operating expenses was 23,500,000 A decrease of 16% from $27,800,000 a year ago and an incremental increase from $22,000,000 in Q2 as we continue to grow our operations. Speaker 300:09:31The significant changes we made to our operating model in the pursuit of efficiency gains and optimizing processes is what will allow us to scale for long term growth and profitability. In addition to our focus on operational profitability, getting the business to generate cash has been equally important. Our cash balance increased to $211,000,000 from approximately $197,000,000 at the end of Q2, an increase of about $14,000,000 The increase in cash this quarter is not a result of the ADI arrangement, but is primarily due to improved inventory management and demand forecast to reduce our inventory levels as we gradually transition to ADI over the next year. We continue to have no debt, Maintain an undrawn credit facility of $75,000,000 and we reiterate that we expect to be free cash flow positive from operations in the first half of next year. Guidance for Q4 and full year 2023 are as follows. Speaker 300:10:26We are narrowing Q4 guidance for revenue to $58,000,000 to $63,000,000 from $58,000,000 to $70,000,000 We are reiterating adjusted EBITDA to be breakeven to positive $2,000,000 for the quarter. Accordingly, we are narrowing full year guidance for revenue to $235,000,000 to $240,000,000 from $233,000,000 to 250,000,000 We are narrowing adjusted EBITDA toward the higher end of the range to negative $20,000,000 to negative $18,000,000 from negative $22,000,000 to negative $18,000,000 I will now pass the call back to Lucas for closing remarks. Speaker 200:11:04Thank you, Hiroshi. In the latter half of twenty twenty three, we have remained focused on optimizing our operations to become adjusted EBITDA positive. Improvements in gross margin and tight control of operating expenses led to improved profitability, with adjusted EBITDA hitting a quarterly record since becoming a public company. We implemented technology initiatives and further augmented our implementation team with trusted partners to transform our professional services to more of a variable cost model, Which we believe will improve our professional services margin in Q4 and into 2024. We have a strong balance sheet And have clear visibility on cash flow in the near term. Speaker 200:11:44We will continue to evaluate our best uses of cash moving forward. Our IoT solutions are now deployed in more than 680,000 rental units. The total addressable opportunity in rental housing in the U. S. Stands at more than 40,000,000 units, offering ample room for growth. Speaker 200:12:01Each quarter, we penetrate more of the market by anticipating and responding to the needs our customers Our customers are generating strong returns from our solutions through enhancing their operations, protecting assets, generating revenues And improving the quality of living and working in their communities. As I shared earlier in our call, innovation is a cornerstone of our approach. We create, invest in and deploy offerings that add unparalleled value for our clients. It remains important for us to pursue both SaaS and hardware opportunities As our customers demand and benefit from the integration of Bolt's solutions, our powerful combination of our hardware and software products Has allowed us to scale and lead the prop tech industry. The ROI of our platform provides our customers ongoing incentive to roll out our solutions As property owners seek to optimize business operations. Speaker 200:12:55From protecting assets with our leak sensor technology to creating connected communities with community Wi Fi Automating workflows and tasks for site teams, our intentionally designed solutions power a better world and make living and working easier for all. Operator, please open the call for questions. Speaker 400:13:14We're Operator00:13:16opening the floor for the question and answer session. Our first question comes from Mikhail Vijay from KBW. Your line is now open. Speaker 500:13:32Hi, this is Nikhil Vijay on for Ryan Tomasello. Thank you for taking my questions. I have 2 for you. First, can you provide more color around what you are seeing in terms of macro and apartment end market conditions? Just curious how have customer conversations and overall demand been trending in light of the headwinds that the apartment operators being facing? Speaker 500:13:55And secondly, have you seen any changes in the M and A landscape in terms of the deal flow and valuations? And is that something you would still consider at the right price and strategic print? Speaker 200:14:11Thanks, Nikhil. I'll take both those. First on the macro environment, I think we're definitely seeing a softening Rent environment, we saw that from the latest public reports. It actually continues to be a tailwind for us as Owners and managers are really focused on reducing expenses and driving ancillary revenue, something that our platform That's both of those things. And so while we are seeing some softening in the market around rents, it's not hurting our demand at all. Speaker 200:14:46And then in terms of changes in the M and A environment, we continue to look as things come to market. We have not seen anything That we believe is an opportunity we should pursue at the moment, but always looking. And I think certainly as you see us move From adjusted EBITDA positive to free cash flow, I think that will open up some of the cash on the balance sheet to look at those opportunities. So Nothing to guide you to, Nikhil, but feeling good about where the market is. And I do think we're starting to see private company valuations come into line. Speaker 200:15:21Thanks for the question. Speaker 400:15:24Thank you. Operator00:15:27Our next question comes from Eric Woodring from Morgan Stanley, your line is now open. Speaker 600:15:34Awesome. Good morning, guys. Thank you very much for taking my questions. I'm going to try to sneak in 3 if I can. The first one maybe for you, Lucas, is just kind of bigger picture. Speaker 600:15:46Your unit deployments have trended lower in the last two quarters. I know that you are trying to kind of balance profitability and growth, But with you guiding down full year revenue slightly this quarter, it's a little hard to parse out what of this kind of deployment slowdown is Maybe intentional versus a product of the environment and demand from your customers. So is there any additional color that you can Share with us to just kind of help us gain comfort in the longevity of the different headwinds you're seeing to deployments, especially about when we think about deployments maybe getting back To growth, what we need to see to unlock that growth lever? Just a little more color would be very helpful. Thank you. Speaker 200:16:28Sure. Thanks for the question, Eric. I think last year at this time, I think it was the quarterly call this year, we really I tried to signal to investors and to the analyst community that we're diverging from the primary KPI of this business being new units And that we're really focused on growing revenue, but more importantly, getting to profitability. And so that means growing profitable revenue. And so What you've seen is that is the focus. Speaker 200:16:57We're focused on where is the ability to grow profitable revenue. It's not just about achieving top line results. So what where I kind of guide you to Eric is really we are looking to go to the higher end range of the adjusted EBITDA positive And what that means is slightly less total revenue, but ultimately what we feel like and what we've heard from the investment community is that Getting to that profitability and maintaining that is more important than achieving top line results. So I think what you're seeing in terms of new unit deployment It is completely intentional as we're really working to get to free cash flow positive. Speaker 600:17:38Okay. Very clear. Thank you. And then maybe my second question is for Hiroshi, but it's obviously great to see and to reiterate what you just said, Lucas, To see you guys expecting to reach EBITDA profitability in 4Q, I think the revenue guide implies A fairly similar level of revenue in 4Q to 3Q. But obviously, we need to see some improvement in the PS gross margins to reach EBITDA profitability, I think a fairly sizable tick up in PS gross margins. Speaker 600:18:13Can you just make sure help us understand how we should think about professional services gross margins in 4Q? And really what are the tools or the levers that will help you improve that margin profile in really Just 3 months. That would be helpful for us. Thank you. Speaker 300:18:34Sure. Thanks, Eric. I think in terms of the Trying to get to adjusted EBITDA profitable in Q4, you hit it right on the nose is we have to improve our pro services margins. And we know that we've been doing this for the last 6 quarters, improving adjusted EBITDA. So we really understand the levers that we need to pull to get there now. Speaker 300:18:57And in terms of post professional services, what it is, is that the variability of the margins really depends on the deployment volume still. But we've made we've developed some technologies, made some operational improvements to move that more to a variable cost basis. And one example of that is being able to monitor progress of our projects, not being on-site, but doing it remotely. So it's things like this that we have implemented really toward the end of Q3, where we'll see improvements in Q4. That's what gives us the comfort that we could get there. Speaker 600:19:36Okay. Very clear. And then maybe my last question is just, It looks like hardware revenue per new unit deployed in 3Q was up pretty tremendously both year over year and quarter over quarter. 1st, I just want to make sure I'm thinking about that correctly. And second, I just want to better understand kind of the underlying drivers of what's Driving that really strong hardware pricing because it does assume or it does imply that hardware pricing and new deployments Effectively doubled in the last 3 months. Speaker 600:20:07So just trying to get to the underlying factors driving that. Thanks so much. Speaker 300:20:12Yes. I think the underlying factor is that we are selling more products for customers that we're selling to. And examples of that would be the alloy access and self guided tour will be some of the products that we are selling In terms of cross sell. Speaker 600:20:33Eric, I'll just Speaker 200:20:33add a little color to that as well, Eric. I think what we're seeing This year is also a byproduct of not being supply constrained with Allied Access. And so a lot of our new deployments And for a while, our customers in front of us are both IoT hardware and common area access control hardware. You're also seeing A little bit of Wi Fi hardware coming in there. So some of what's driving it, it's not so much that, hey, the sort of same store IoT hardware It's dramatically different, but it's more hardware because of more products being adopted by our customer set. Speaker 600:21:09Okay, very clear. Thank you very much and congrats on the good quarter guys. Speaker 200:21:13Great. Thanks, Eric. Operator00:21:21Our next Question comes from Sidney Ho. Your line is now open. Speaker 400:21:27Great. Thank you. Good morning. I have a follow-up question to the prior question on the gross margin for professional services. You talked about that improving in Q4 based on the actions you are taking. Speaker 400:21:40Can you give us a sense where gross margin could be in Q4 particularly, but also at what revenue level should we think about that business being breakeven from a gross margin perspective. Speaker 200:21:54Hey, Sidney, thanks for the question. I'll give an answer and then Harish can add some color If he has anything else to say, I mean, I think what we said in some of the prepared remarks and I'll just kind of reiterate is really this was Q3 was sort of a culmination of a lot of internal development of technology To improve how we deploy resources as well as a transformation of how we actually go about doing the install. And so As you've seen sort of a stair step function, I feel like this is coming into Q4 as the Q1, we're not going to see that sort of stair step. It's a We've deployed a new strategy that's materially different. And the whole idea around this, Sydney, is that we can achieve Breakeven or slightly positive margins on professional services regardless of the volume of installs that we're doing. Speaker 200:22:45And so it's a transformation Driven by technology of moving from a really heavy fixed cost installation model to a much more variable cost model, So that we don't have to think about it in the same ways like to your question, Sidney, we don't have to think about it as I have to achieve X to hit breakeven that really that can move As the pace of install moves up and down. Speaker 300:23:08Yes. I think just Speaker 600:23:10to add Speaker 300:23:10to that. Sorry, we're not Providing guidance on our gross margins, but I think you could see a significant improvement in Q4. We hope to get that positive sometime in 2024, professional services I'm talking about. Speaker 400:23:26Got it. That's very clear. My follow-up question is, it's great to see that your booking units improved a lot this quarter. I think last quarter you talked about some customers not willing to put in new orders until the How have those conversations changed to drive that unit kind of booking unit growth that you saw? And along the same line, I noticed that booking dollars didn't grow as much as units. Speaker 400:23:50Can you talk about that dynamic as well? Speaker 200:23:54Yes. I think we feel like we had a good quarter of bookings. And just to reiterate, bookings will be lumpy. It moves around. It's not A linear function is not really a driver or indicator of our demand. Speaker 200:24:08There's a lot of different things at play depending on the customer. But I think What drove the strong bookings quarter this quarter in Q3 Was really around we did wrap up a fair number of customers' projects and took new orders as well as we had A good quarter of selling to new customers, getting some new customers on board. Speaker 400:24:34Okay. Maybe if I could squeeze in one more. Understanding it's too early to give guidance for next year, but considering the several changes in strategy that you guys are going through this year, Conceptually, how should we think about what's driving revenue growth next year? Maybe revenue is not the focus like you mentioned earlier, Lucas. Is it more unit deployment? Speaker 400:24:53Is it higher hardware ARPU or mainly on software SaaS? Maybe broadly speaking, what are the top priorities for the management team? Thanks. Speaker 600:25:02Well, I Speaker 200:25:02think the priorities continue to remain, we've said within 6 months we'll be free cash flow positive next year. So the priority remains achieving that, which It's really about driving our most profitable revenue. So internally, we don't think myopically about new units, but really around where our levers to Drive growth and cross sell and up sell continues to be a successful area where we're able to sell additional products to new customers. And then I think it really as you've seen and we did a press release, we've added another new product that we're selling the package room, smart package room. And so when you start looking across the landscape and say we have a large number of customers who have deployed IoT only, now we can offer access control, Wi Fi, Smart package rooms, work order management, property operations software that really optimizing that with our customers at the same time we're driving new growth Is a recipe for profitability. Speaker 400:26:03Great. Thank you very much. Speaker 700:26:05Thanks, Sidney. Operator00:26:08Our next question comes from Brett Knoblauch from Cantor Fitzgerald. Your line is Speaker 300:26:17Perfect. Hi, Lucas. Hi, Rochi. Thanks for taking my question. Speaker 700:26:22Maybe if we look at SAS R2, it was a nice kind of sequential growth there. Could you maybe go into the drivers behind that, more specifically into your existing Deployment based, what new products were they taking up in the quarter? Have you been more focused on kind of upselling them, Obviously, relative to the new units deployed, but curious to what products you're seeing really drive the improvement in SaaS or 2? Speaker 200:26:50Hey, Brett. Yes, thanks for the questions. I think it's a good question. I think we're seeing A lot of customers adding additional products, Access Control and Self Guided Tour are the 2 that come to mind as really a IOT access control and self guided tour that helps owners unlock savings and efficiencies in labor And really with the macro backdrop that I took in the first question from Nikhil, that's become a real focus. And so we're having a lot of success saying, hey, To be able to save on labor costs, these three products work in harmony together and you're seeing that come out in the ARPU. Speaker 200:27:30All three of those help drive ARPU growth. Speaker 700:27:34Perfect. And then maybe a question for Hiroshi on professional services. Obviously, with the Changes you're making in that segment, revenue declined this quarter. How should we think directionally about professional services Revenue in the Q4 and maybe as we look at 2024. Should we expect that revenue to be down next year? Speaker 300:28:00I think in terms of revenues For professional services for Q4, it would probably be similar to Q3. And Q4 24, we haven't given guidance yet, but we think it will be slightly up. Speaker 200:28:19Yes. I think just I'd like to just point you, Brett, towards Really professional services will vary based on new unit deployment and that it sort of It is what it is. The way we feel internally is once that's breakeven or slightly positive, it's less of a focus overall on the company. And that's where you'll see we have intentionally said we're not going to grow units as new units as quickly As we have in the past because we are focusing on cross sell, up sell profitability. And so it's less of an internal barometer than it once was for us. Speaker 700:29:00Understood. Appreciate it guys. Congrats on the quarter. Speaker 200:29:03Thanks, Brett. Operator00:29:07Our next question comes from Tom White from D. A. Davidson and Co. Your line is now open. Speaker 800:29:14Great. Thanks for taking my question. I'm not sure if I heard an update on WiFi in the prepared remarks. I realize Still early and it's kind of a longer sales cycle, but just curious how I guess, you can see traction there. And then just secondarily on the new kind of integrated hub, Speaker 400:29:33I don't know if that's a question. Speaker 800:29:34Can you just maybe talk a little bit more about How that might impact the financial model over the coming quarters? Is it sort of revenue opportunities? Is it about unlocking additional efficiencies for customers? Speaker 200:29:50Thanks, Tom. Yes, update on WiFi. Again, we think that Wi Fi really becomes a driver of significant revenue in 2025, but we remain Really enthusiastic about the demand we're seeing for that product. We have tremendous number of quotes that we've been generating, active jobs that we're working And still feel like that's going to be a very important piece of our platform going forward. We were just actually at one of our NMHC National Multi Housing Council shows and I was with a lot of customers and it's top of everyone's mind, not just our Wi Fi Product of Wi Fi in general. Speaker 200:30:29So I know it's an exciting time for this industry and I think we're going to capitalize on that. In terms of the new alloy hub plus the new integrated hub, there's not a material difference in top line revenue, But there'll be a pickup in gross margin because instead of installing a third party thermostat where we're a distributor of hardware, That hub is something we're making and so the thermostat, if you think about it, the margin on that will be higher. So we see a gross margin pickup And hardware from installing the Hub Plus. And more importantly, I think it really is a culmination of years of R and D that We've been working on to build this from the ground up, bring it to market. There's a lot of strategic importance around it, just around connectivity and where And less hardware and less time to install, and we're very excited by that. Speaker 300:31:25Yes. Just to add to that, I think we're introducing it right now. We won't see a meaningful improvement in gross margin in Speaker 200:31:44Thanks, Tom. Operator00:31:46Looks like we don't have any incoming questions as of right now. I'd now like to hand back over to the management for their final remarks. Speaker 200:31:56Thank you, operator. Thank you all for joining. I appreciate your support and taking time to listen and look forward to speaking with all soon. Have a great day. Operator00:32:06Thank you for everyone joining in today's session. We hope you found it useful. Have a wonderful day and stay safe.Read morePowered by