Paycor HCM Q1 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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November 8, 2023

There are 13 speakers on the call.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to Paycor's First Quarter Fiscal Year 20 24 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A brief question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Rachel White, Vice President of Investor Relations.

Operator

Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Good afternoon, and welcome to Paycor's earnings call for the 1st of fiscal year 2024, which ended on September 30. On the call with me today are Raul Villar, Jr, Paycor's Chief Executive Officer and Adam Angie, Takecor's Chief Financial Officer. Our financial results can be found in our press release issued today, which is available on the Investor Relations section of our website. Today's call is being recorded and a replay will be available on our website following the conclusion of the call. Statements made in this Call include forward looking statements related to our financial results, products, customer demand, operations and other matters.

Speaker 1

These statements are subject to risks, uncertainties and assumptions and are based on management's current expectations as of today and may not be updated in the future. Therefore, these statements should not be relied upon as representing our views as of any subsequent date. We also will refer to certain non GAAP financial measures and key business metrics to provide additional information to investors. Definitions of non GAAP measures and key business metrics and a reconciliation of non GAAP to GAAP measures are provided in our released on our website. With that, I'll turn the call over to Raul.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Rachel, and thank you all for joining us to discuss Paycor's Fiscal first quarter results. We had a strong start to the year with revenue growth of 21% this quarter. We drove margin expansion of nearly 200 basis points year over year, while continuing to invest in differentiating our platform, which increases the value of our ATM suite to our customers and expands our future pet home opportunity. The demand environment remains solid for our innovative HCM suite that empowers leaders to unlock the potential of their people and business performance. As we shift up market, clients tend to purchase a more complete solution and average deal size and attach rates continue to expand nicely.

Speaker 2

Our deal pipeline is up year over year and win rates remain strong. Our team is making significant progress on our 2 strategic growth initiatives, expanding sales coverage and increasing the amount we charge per employee per month for Peppa. We are on track to deliver on our full year sales count growth target of approximately 20% and sales productivity is progressing in line with our expectations. This quarter, we announced a new go to market channel, leveraging our industry leading interoperability engine. Acor has a substantial opportunity to partner with technology firms such as vertical focused SaaS solutions.

Speaker 2

Our existing software partners offer our embedded HCM solution nested within their platform for a seamless client experience. Legacy in house solutions are ripe for disruption as the ACM requirements continue to increase in complexity and demand for more than just the payroll solution. We are the only ATM provider with an embedded mid market offering and we have a growing pipeline of interested partners. The larger embedded ATM partnerships we mentioned last call will increasingly contribute to our revenue growth in the second half of fiscal twenty twenty four and be accretive to margin and fiscal 2025. This quarter, we enhanced our modern, award winning HCM suite with valuable new functionality that powers people and performance.

Speaker 2

Our list PEPM of $51 increased $9 or 21% year on year, which equates to a PEPI of $6.12 Further strengthening our suite of artificial intelligence solutions, we recently released a new generative AI analytics digital assistant powered by VIZIAR. The new offering empowers leaders to quickly and easily consume people focused analytics and a conversational chat interface. We are helping leaders save time and resources by seamlessly providing them with the answers they need to effectively power their team. We continue to see excellent adoption of the talent solution we launched in fiscal 2021 with revenues up 40% year over year. We're also proud that Nucleus Research recently recognized our talent acquisition fleet as a market leader.

Speaker 2

I'm also incredibly pleased with the promotion of Brett Meager, the Chief Customer Experience Officer, where she will lead our next generation of service, leveraging data and technology to best serve our customers. In this new role, Brent will unify Paycor's implementation and service and loyalty organization, further enhancing the company's relentless focus on creating an irresistible customer experience. Lastly, I am proud Paycor received several culture excellence awards by Top Workplaces. This is the 3rd consecutive year we have been recognized for promoting DE and I practices and the first time we were acknowledged for employee appreciation, employee well-being and professional development. As a human capital management company, we know firsthand how important leaders and culture are driving employee engagement and business performance.

Speaker 2

With that, I'll turn the call over to Adam to discuss our financial results and guidance.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Raul. I'll discuss our Q1 results then share our outlook for the Q2 fiscal year. This quarter, Atkore generated total revenues of $144,000,000 an increase of 21% year over year. Recurring revenue grew 16% year over year, slightly above our guidance as labor market growth of 2% marginally outperformed our 0% to 1% assumption. Recurring revenue growth is largely driven by increasing the number of employees on our platform and the amount we charge per employee per month.

Speaker 3

We have more than 2,500,000 employees on our platform, up 9% over the prior year across more than 30,800 customers. As we shift our portfolio up market, our average customer size continues to increase and now stands at 83 employees per customer, up from 78 a year ago, supported by even stronger growth in enterprise customers. In line with this shift, the number of employees in the mid market and grew 11% year over year, while growth in the micro segment remained flat. Additionally, about a point of our employee growth this quarter is from our embedded HCM solution. In conjunction with our transition years ago to being a modern cloud HCM platform, we priced our solutions on a Peppa model.

Speaker 3

This pricing model has enabled us to simplify our pricing, employing a bundled offering approach and reduced friction in the adoption of our broader set of and pricing model provides much better value and predictability for our customers and for Paycor. As our HCM suite has expanded, More than half of our revenue is generated from non payroll ATM solutions such as talent and workforce management, all of which is on a Peppam pricing model. Effective PEPM increased 6% year over year to more than $17 for the quarter. Driven by continued expansion of our product fleet, PePAM growth has been fueled by a combination of cross sales, pricing initiatives and higher bundle adoption. We are seeing steady PePAM contribution from cross sales and higher bundle adoption.

Speaker 3

However, we expect more moderate contributions from pricing initiatives as inflation flows and new business as we onboard larger enterprise and embedded HCM technology partners with greater pricing power, which will be offset by higher average deal sizes and stronger margins. While our primary objective remains Sustainable 20% plus recurring revenue growth, we've consistently expanded margins as we scale the business. Adjusted gross profit margin excluding depreciation and amortization improved to 78.3%, more than 140 basis points higher than the prior year, while continuing to invest in differentiating our client experience. Sales and marketing expense was $47,000,000 or 33 percent of revenue, similar to levels a year ago as we increased sales coverage nationwide to capture market share. On a gross basis, we invested $25,000,000 in R and D or 17% of revenue to enhance our HCM platform and expand our Peppam opportunity.

Speaker 3

On an annual basis, we expect to invest 15% to 16% of revenue, similar to levels last year. We are driving leverage in G and A as we Scale of the business. G and A expense was $20,000,000 or 13.7 percent of revenue, an improvement of 120 basis points from last year. Adjusted operating income increased more than 50% to $16,000,000 with margins of 11.1%, up over 200 basis points from 8.8 percent last year, while we continue to make strategic investments to accelerate sales, elevate service and differentiate our products. As is typical in the Q1 due to the timing of our bonus statements, adjusted free cash flow was negative $40,000,000 We expect to generate greater adjusted free cash flow for the full year and for free cash flow margins to expand faster than adjusted operating income as we scale the business.

Speaker 3

We ended the quarter with $54,000,000 of cash and no debt. For fiscal 2024, we remain focused on execution, scaling the business and driving margin expansion. The demand environment remains resilient with higher top of funnel demand than we had a year ago. Our leader value proposition continues to resonate we're delivering compelling value for clients transition from legacy solutions. The labor market remains tight and our guidance assumes flat organic employee growth among existing customers for the remainder of the year.

Speaker 3

For the Q2, we expect total revenues of between $154,500,000 $156,500,000 or 18% growth at the high end of the range and adjusted operating income of between $19,500,000 $20,500,000 For the full year, we expect revenues of between $648,000,000 to $654,000,000 or 18% growth at the top end of the range. And we anticipate adjusted operating income of $102,000,000 to $106,000,000 This quarter we generated $11,000,000 of interest income average client funds of just over $1,000,000,000 at an effective rate of about 4 25 basis points. Based on current rates, We expect interest income in the range of $44,000,000 to $45,000,000 for the full year. The combination of labor market growth comps moderating year over year and larger enterprise customers and embedded HCM partners starting provides confidence in our second half revenue growth accelerated. Overall, Demand remains healthy and our innovative HCM solution that powers people and performance is winning in the market.

Speaker 3

We are demonstrating margin expansion as we scale the business believe there is significant opportunity to drive further leverage. As a mission critical application is still early in transition to the cloud, we believe there is significant runway for sustainable growth in $38,000,000,000 HBM market. With that, we'll open the call for questions. Operator?

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now be conducting a question and answer session. Ladies and gentlemen, we request you to restrict to one question and one follow-up question for participants. One moment please while we poll for questions. Our first question is from Gabriela Borges with Goldman Sachs.

Operator

Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Hi, this is Kevin Kumar on for Gabriela. Thanks for taking the question. I wanted to ask if there's any changes in how you're thinking about linearity of recurring revenue for the year, Particularly, any color on enterprise pipeline and overall timing of go live would be very helpful. Thank you.

Speaker 5

We talked through a little bit of those enterprise and large partnerships that we're really going to come live and start to contribute more in the back half of the year and things are looking really consistent. No real change from how we were thinking about it just a couple of months ago.

Speaker 4

That's helpful. And then maybe just on cross selling, how should we maybe think about the cadence of cross selling for the year? What segments in the market are there opportunities to drive further penetration in modules, particularly talent management?

Speaker 2

Yes, we've had Kevin, we've had really strong consistent cross selling across all sizes of the enterprise. Obviously, talent continues to outperform the rest of the portfolio, as people are still looking to attract and retain Quality Associates. And so, we feel really good about our cross selling motion that we have in process here.

Speaker 4

Great. Thanks for taking the questions.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Bhavan Shah with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Great. Thanks for taking my question.

Operator

Can you guys just speak about

Speaker 4

what you're seeing in terms of the broker channel and how that's helping from a full basis? Have you seen any kind of Change there and any kind of further investments you're making into that opportunity?

Speaker 2

Yes, we're really bullish on the broker channel. The percent contribution to overall bookings is still around 50% In the field bookings, we continue to focus on our large national partners and we're getting an outsized performance in those cohorts. So we're excited. We think we have a winning formula with brokers. We grew the number of brokers that we partnered with year over year and we continue to see really solid participation in the channel.

Speaker 6

That's helpful. And I know during the quarter

Speaker 4

you guys kind of unveiled your embedded HCM solution.

Speaker 7

Can you just talk a little bit more about

Speaker 4

the longer term And how your go to market for this product differs from competitors offering kind of embedded apparel?

Speaker 5

Yes. So first, we think that there's a huge opportunity. I mean, there's thousands of software players who could leverage a service Like ours, HCM and payroll capabilities, many of them are trying to offer their own services today and find that when they work through our offering that it just makes more sense to partner with us and we think that it's a great go to market from that perspective to be able to create for them to be able to create more compelling and differentiated service really helps us to be able to expand more quickly across services across markets where we usually have coverage, but We'll be able to provide a deeper coverage across more of the market at a faster pace. And in terms of the go to market strategy for us, I mean it's really around Finding those winning partnerships and making the right bets on great partners early, and we've had a really strong pipeline, a lot of really great interest, and some key partners that are winning already today.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Terry Tillman with Truist Securities. Please go ahead.

Speaker 8

Yes. Hi, Raul, Adam and Rachel. Nice job on the quarter. So actually I want to build on the embedded ACM question. That's my first question.

Speaker 8

It might be a multi partner. Sorry about that, Rachel. But if I heard Adam, I think you said that actually may have contributed 1 point of growth. I wanted to confirm that. And then on embedded ATM, it does seem like a pretty big opportunity.

Speaker 8

Is this something that would support The sustained 20% or could this actually help even maybe potentially accelerate or have growth drift a little higher? And then I had a follow-up.

Speaker 5

I think longer term, it has an opportunity to really continue to expand our ability to grow at a higher level. I mean, I think it's early, of course, and we want to Hit that 20% sustainable in the near term, but we think that has an opportunity to really continue to accelerate. Again, there's a lot of market opportunity. And like we talked about, like Half of the entire market is really service Spidey's in house and regional providers. A lot of those are the software providers that we're working with and that we think that are really great In terms of the contribution, yes, it was about a point of employee growth.

Speaker 5

That's going to come on at a slightly lower PEPM, but it did Already add about a point of employee growth in the quarter.

Speaker 8

That's great to hear. And then just a follow-up question relates to sales and marketing. It was actually a little lower than what we were forecasting. And just kind of the trends year over year and sequentially, it's definitely slower. So I'm curious like I think, Raul, you did say something about productivity of the sales team.

Speaker 8

Any more color you could share there? And also just what about seller retention? How is that trending? Or was there something else with maybe just certain kind of discretionary marketing that we just didn't see? Thank you.

Speaker 2

So as As far as the overall seller cohorts and productivity, they're operating consistently with our expectations and retention has been consistent year over year. So we haven't seen any changes there. Obviously, Our objective always is to continue to increase productivity per rep. While you're adding a big cohort of new people, It's always favorable to make sure that you can at least maintain the productivity you had in the prior year while adding less productive people into the ecosystem. So we feel good about that.

Speaker 2

Obviously, we have to ramp, train and grow the productivity of that cohort, year over year and that's what we're focused on execution from that perspective.

Speaker 5

Yes. I think, Terry, on the full year, we're still going to we're planning to be in that 32% to 34% of revenue range, which will continue To grow at a good rate. I mean, I think there were some dynamics inside of the quarter as well. We moved some of our a couple of larger programs between Q4 and Q1. So There might have been a couple of points just back and forth between that.

Speaker 5

No real difference in the trends, especially as we think about Overall sales personnel and marketing programs that we've continued to invest fairly similarly, although we do expect to continue to get more scale out of the organization As we are really focused on hiring reps and our sales leaders.

Speaker 8

All right. Thank you all.

Speaker 5

Thank you. Thanks, Terry.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Brian Bergin with TD Cowen. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Hi, this is actually Jared on for Brian tonight. In terms of the demand environment, we heard your commentary about it being solid, but would you say there's been any change relative to last quarter? And then would you characterize the current demand environment relative to pre pandemic?

Speaker 2

Yes, we haven't seen any changes. It's been really consistent. What I would tell you is that we're seeing really strong top of the funnel performance, strong impressions, visitors to paycor.com, First time appointments and win rates are consistent. So we feel really good, about where we are at the top of the funnel. And so the demand environment is strong and holding up.

Speaker 7

Okay, great. And then in terms of generative AI, can you discuss the level of client interest in your Gen AI functionality and And how should we should think about the potential revenue opportunity there?

Speaker 5

Yes. I think that it's still a little early to All the revenue opportunities on generative AI, I think there's a couple of areas that we're using it in the system like job description generator, for example, we're able to roll out pretty And we've seen a lot of interest rapid usage, but it's not something that we're necessarily thinking about charging explicitly for. I mean, we're using those underlying GPT models and Azure through Azure and we're seeing a lot of success. We can roll stuff out really quickly. I think there's other areas though like with our Recent analytics capability that we're going to launch where we are seeing pretty strong request from a customer perspective and there will be some opportunity Potentially charge an increase peprom for that.

Speaker 5

So I think it's going to be a blend and I think it's still a little early to call, but I think that that should take shape maybe over the next couple of quarters we'll have a little bit better view going into the back half of the year.

Speaker 3

Thanks,

Speaker 7

Jared. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Scott Berg with Needham and Company. Please go ahead.

Speaker 9

Hi, everyone. Nice quarter. Thanks for taking my questions. Raul, I have kind of maybe it's better question for Adam, but I have kind of an unusual question is, as I look at your income statement. Your recurring revenue line item, the growth rate tends to bounce around more than Other public vendors in the space and more that I've seen historically.

Speaker 9

Any reason why that is in A quarter over time, didn't know if there's some different dynamics going on in the business that would be helpful to understand. The I've received from investors more than a few times recently. Yes.

Speaker 5

Hey, Scott. I mean, I think, over the last think 4 years, we've really migrated to a Peppa model, the majority of our business on a Peppa model, and we've really driven more consistency in the ongoing growth rates and the recurring growth rates. And it's really been about addition of new business for us. Also as we've rolled out new services, there may have been some lumpiness and whatnot in the ERC over the last couple of years coming in, But nothing like particular and I can't speak to everybody else's business model per se, but we've been really consistent in our approach over the last 4 years building to the model that we have now and we've been able to be fairly consistent with it.

Speaker 9

Got it. Helpful. And then from a follow-up question perspective, your effective PPM or PEP Charge is kind of trending down from 15% a couple of quarters ago, almost 6% in the current quarter. How is the cross sell cadence Today maybe versus earlier last year, is it similar than what you've seen from expansion opportunities or maybe new customers buying the same amount? How should we think about that metric and how it's trending over the last one?

Speaker 5

Yes. The cross sell contribution to the PePAN growth been really consistent actually. It tends in that sort of 2 to 3 points of additional growth from cross sell. And this year as we've gone from Really what I would say is a more normal rate is in that sort of 8% to 9% range. This quarter we're in that 6% just over 6% growth range and really driven by the two dynamics of the embedded channel growing a point and then also our Enterprise channel grew or enterprise segment grew a little bit faster.

Speaker 5

That's customers over 1,000. And so both of those really accounted for the difference really between that 8 to 9 points of growth and the 6, 6.5 points of growth that we're seeing this quarter. But The cross sell motion has been really consistent. If anything, there's I think continued opportunity, especially as we've added a lot of great products and expanded the Over the last couple of years there continues to be a lot of white space there.

Speaker 9

Understood. Thank you. Very helpful.

Operator

Thank you.

Speaker 5

Thanks, Scott.

Operator

Our next question is from the line of Brian Peterson with Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Thanks for taking my question and congrats on the strong quarter. So I wanted to follow-up on the embedded opportunity. I just don't understand how quickly can those relationships ramp, both from a technology perspective and working with a potential partner? And then Is there a go to market motion? I'm just curious how to think about that and when we should start to see that ramp up?

Speaker 5

Yes, those relationships take a while. I mean, from the time you initiate the Conversation, until you sign a new business or you're building over or migrating a portfolio, I mean, it can take well over a year. And that cycle is quite a bit longer and you're navigating a more bespoke service with the partner itself, Right. We want to create great technology and integrations that enable a better experience for their customers. And it's all about setting that up.

Speaker 5

It's about setting up The go to market capability where we support them, especially early on so that they can get up and running. And then once they board, whether that's through their portfolio Or just signing new business, then it has the chance and the ability to ramp rather quickly. But it's a long upfront motion from sale to close.

Speaker 2

Yes, Brian, there's 2 different types of partners, right? There's partners with an existing portfolio, And they tend to take longer because they may already have a solution and we have to Integrate and ensure that we meet all the future functionality needs of the existing platform, in the formats that they are accustomed to. Other software partners that don't currently have an HCM solution or limited HCM solution are easier to onboard and you start selling new. So you have to it's more of a Go to market motion every week versus converting a large base. So there's 2 different opportunities.

Speaker 2

We started With the latter, with 2 larger installed bases, and we're our go to market motion has Resource is targeting both today.

Speaker 7

Understood. Appreciate the color there. And maybe just on the PPM expansion, we're seeing more this quarter. How do we think about kind of the annual pace of PMM expansion over a long term basis? Thanks guys.

Speaker 5

Yes. I think that we're probably in a more normal range. So in the sort of mid to upper single digits from that 6 1% or so. And it's going to depend on how pricing trends over the next couple of years. We're continuing to see opportunity to expand Pricing through additional services and expanding the suite, so we're wrapping all that together.

Speaker 5

And then again, you're going to see a little More of this pressure from versus where we've been recently with the addition of some of the embedded channel and a little bit more in the upper market of the enterprise segment. But I think that sort of 6% plus to 6%, 8% range probably makes sense for us.

Operator

Thank you.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Brian.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Mark Marcon with Baird. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Hey, good afternoon and thanks for taking my questions. I also have questions on the embedded solution. Can you give us some more examples of the types of software partners that you're Partnering with and how does it work in terms of the relationship with the client? Your the platform is going to be with their brand. And so I'm wondering How does customer service work?

Speaker 7

How does pricing work? How does the revenue share work? And how should we think about the margin implications?

Speaker 2

Mark, it's Raul. Thanks for the 16 questions. I appreciate it. I'll try to remember them all. So I think when you think about it from a targeting prospecting perspective, Think about vertical software stack across many different types of industries, that are going to market and delivering Either a ERP or workforce management tool are 2 good examples.

Speaker 2

And what they're really looking for is something sticky and predictable inside the stack. And so that's what we're offering. And A lot of great targets for us are in that, call it, dollars 10,000,000 $250,000,000 in revenue, that are looking to expand Peplum inside their base, looking to increase their stickiness. And so there's a whole bunch of tech companies that fit that model. Many of them are PE backed that we think are really attractive and excited about this type of opportunity.

Speaker 2

As far as the combination of who does what, That's configurable, my part. Obviously, the payroll and ATM product is ours And we're going to integrate it into their application. But ultimately, who does the implementation and who does the service, That really has an impact on the economics, right? And so we're flexible based on the partner needs. And that's how you should think about it.

Speaker 2

Adam, anything you would add?

Speaker 7

Yes. I mean on

Speaker 5

the revenue model, it's going to be pretty straightforward in terms of We will build a partner and the partner will go to market with whatever their own pricing strategy is. So whether they want to build it into their own pricing or bundle it out separately, There's no revenue share.

Speaker 7

Great. And then as we're moving up market, in terms of size of client, How should we think about the fee gross profit margin exclusive of the float? How should that trend?

Speaker 5

I mean the gross profit margin across many of our segments is fairly consistent So what we see is that once you get out of the sort of sub-ten employees, sub-fifteen employee range, The gross margin tends to be fairly consistent. And then it's really about the sort of services and the amount of products that our Customers are buying really will ultimately determine the overall margin of that client because payroll ends up being the majority of where the operating cost goes into supporting the client between tax service and operations, and just general support management.

Speaker 2

Yes, Mark. I think what's exciting for us is from the beginning, And you were with us at the IPO, our objective was to continue to shift up market. And our new bookings This quarter, the average size is double our current employee base. So we're significantly outpacing on average our pay size Moving up market, and so we're really excited about the progress that the sales team has made, the product team has made

Operator

Our next question is from the line of Siti Panella with Mizuho. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Hey, this is Phil on for Citi. When you guys look at the workforce levels across your customer base, are there any particular verticals that you're seeing weaker, stronger levels? Any kind of color would be helpful.

Speaker 2

Yes, Phil. Obviously, we're a broad Solution that serves all industries. However, that being said, in the 4 industries that we are focused on, I would say we've seen strength in food and beverage, in professional services over the quarter And slight moderation in manufacturing and healthcare. But on the average, it's delivered Our expected outcome.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Mark Murphy with JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Hey, guys. Congrats on the quarter. This is Artie on for Mark Murphy. First question is, if you guys have seen any kind of divergences. I know you guys said the demand overall has been steady and solid, but any divergence in terms of segment geography, end market or kind of any other dimension?

Speaker 6

Thanks. Yes.

Speaker 5

Hey, Ernie. I mean, not really. It's been fairly consistent, right? As we've looked at the macro market and you look at broader non farm payroll growth, Trending down, but still very steady, a little sequential decline. And I think we're seeing similar.

Speaker 5

I mean, we're seeing it's really similar to that. And so consistency over the last couple of quarters, haven't seen any big divergence really in any of the It's or definitely not inside of the portfolio.

Speaker 6

And then just as a quick follow-up, as you guys are kind of moving into the Tier 1 cities and being pulled up market, any changes in who you're seeing in competition or win rates or anything along those lines?

Speaker 2

No. Win rates are consistent. And from who we see, we still see ADP, Paylocity, Paycom would be the 3 competitors we see the most in the market. ADP either as an Incumbent or a competitor, but ultimately those are the 3 we see that hasn't changed. When we started our journey, they were all national providers in every market.

Speaker 2

And so there's no real market differentiation within HCM from that perspective. And

Speaker 6

the win rates across those 3 have been relatively stable as well?

Speaker 10

Yes.

Speaker 3

Awesome. Thank you.

Speaker 11

Thanks, Ernie.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Steve Enders with Citi. Please go ahead.

Speaker 12

Okay, great. Thanks for taking the questions here. I guess I'll ask another question on the embedded HCM. But I guess I just want to understand a little bit more It seems like really good strength off the back here, but how are you feeling about what's embedded in the outlook for the rest of the year? And then as we think about the margin profile of embedded HCM, how is that maybe different versus The core payroll solution?

Speaker 5

Yes. Hey, Steve. We feel good about the guidance that we've shared that it includes the future growth of the channel and performance thus So we still feel good and that's really consistent with how we came into the year. In terms of the margin and the margin profile will be a little bit stronger because you don't have quite as much on the cost of acquisition side, right? So we don't have to maintain sales distribution.

Speaker 5

You don't have quite the same level of And you're supporting the partner versus the front end customer. So a little bit different model, and a little bit better margin. I'd say earlier on like through this year, you're not going to see any material benefits necessarily in the margin profile as we've invested in the channel. But that will come really 25%, twenty twenty six percent will continue to be additive to the margin as we grow the channel over time.

Speaker 12

Okay. Got you. That's helpful context there. And then as you think about The Tier one investments that you've been making and I guess kind of the geographic footprint today, what would you kind of call out Any change in the pockets of strains or any areas that maybe were a little bit And

Speaker 6

just in general, how are you

Speaker 12

feeling about this Tier 1 investments in the ramp up there?

Speaker 2

Yes. Tier 1 continues to be the bulk of our investment. It's also the lion's share of our performance and growth. So we feel really good about that. We're seeing really good results From an average deal size, number of employees, above the line average, so we feel like it's really good.

Speaker 2

As far as like individual markets, like when we're performing well or poorly, it's all about the execution of the team on the field. It's really not. At this point, we've seen no macro impact in any market, that we have. It's more about, Do we have a great leader? Are we fully staffed?

Speaker 2

And are they running the playbook? And if they're doing that, we perform really well. When we are missing one of those things, we won't perform as well as we are in the other markets.

Speaker 12

Okay, Perfect. Thanks for taking the questions here.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Daniel Jester with BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Hey, great. Good evening, everyone. Thanks for taking my question.

Operator

Maybe we can spend

Speaker 4

a minute talking about your partnership with Zevir and the analytics solution. I guess maybe can we generalize this? Is this a type of partnership that we might see more from you in terms of going to to the best of breed solutions and seeing if you can use it to accelerate your own product opportunity? Or is this maybe more of a one off given the need around the analytics today?

Speaker 5

Yes. I mean, we look at partnership opportunities just we look at acquisition opportunities and or developing the solutions themselves. I mean, I think in this case, we really like The partnership with Azir and we didn't think we were going to be able to get to what they've built. They've been a great partner. They knew what they were doing and we've been Able to build something together.

Speaker 5

I mean they work with us very well and directly with our product organization to create this solution to be able to take to market through this channel rapidly. And so we really appreciate that partnership with them. I think we would consider other partnerships, but it's not like a change in the strategy Necessarily, I don't think that you're going to see one direction one way or the other more or less.

Speaker 2

Yes, I think it's We identified them as best of breed. It wasn't something we could do right away. Ryan is a great partner. We really enjoy the relationship and we're developing stuff together, which is creating more power for both of our platforms. So we're excited about it and We want to continue to continue to grow our relationship with them.

Speaker 4

Great. That's really helpful. Thank you. And then I think you touched on this earlier, but maybe we can just circle back to it. In terms of the percent of your revenue base that's still being paid on a per check basis as opposed to PASM, kind of where does that roughly sit today?

Speaker 4

Thank you very much.

Speaker 5

Yes, we have about a quarter of our portfolio that has some form of a per check model, although half of that revenue They're also buying other HCM solutions that are on a PEPA model. And this is really over the last 5 years migrated from 20% or less than 20% to nearly 80% of the portfolio is now On some Peppam strategy and also 100% of the new business that we sell comes on a Peppam strategy.

Speaker 2

Yes. And I would just like to interject You know that, 99% plus percent of our payrolls are already perfect. And so We have we don't really have an issue with trying to generate revenue from client mistakes.

Speaker 4

Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Matt Prow with William Blair. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Hey, Greg. Just wanted to ask on The customer list acquisition that you made a few quarters ago, just an update on how that's progressing relative to your expectations in terms of converting those customers?

Speaker 5

Yes. Hey, Matt. Things are progressing really well. We had a really great success with that portfolio and bringing it over pretty quickly. It's all really coming together here in the Q1.

Speaker 5

So really nothing to add necessarily in the quarter, but on track for the expectations that we have sort of going into the year On

Speaker 3

that portfolio.

Speaker 4

Great. And then just a follow-up on the employee retention credit. I think you had a Small amount of revenue from that previously, programs have been paused now. Is there anything in guidance going forward included from that?

Speaker 5

Yes, I mean the program hasn't been paused in that. It's not still processing. I mean the IRS still is processing. I mean we had to receive a little bit of ERC related revenues, and I think it's going to come in close to our expectations. I mean, we're anticipating something around one point of our revenue for the whole year related to ERC.

Speaker 5

And I think it's going to be relatively consistent to that.

Speaker 2

And Q1 was on track?

Operator

Q1 was on track, yes.

Speaker 4

Perfect. Thank you. Appreciate it.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Kevin McVeigh with UBS. Please go ahead.

Speaker 11

Thank you so much. I wonder if you could give us a sense of how much pricing overall contributed to 2023 revenue and how should we think about that

Speaker 5

Yes. Hey, Kevin, you're a little soft there. I think the question was around price, how much did pricing impact FY 2023. Yes, I mean normally and the way that we sort of think about it is how much of our PePAM growth comes from pricing actions and about a third of it tends to come from pricing. And so that could be 2 to 3 points or so depending on the overall growth.

Speaker 5

And then we have some specific Programs and some new services that we released also in Q3 of last year that we talked about that added Up to that 15% Tuphim growth was a little bit more outsized there with some new services that were primarily around year end fee services. So traditionally or typically we would see about a third of that growth related to some sort of pricing.

Speaker 11

And if you think about kind of the realization versus kind of the book on the platform, You see that narrowing on the is it that you quoted $17 or something like that realization versus 51 kind of book if you would, any thoughts as to the convergence there?

Speaker 5

Yes, I think it's going to take some time for converge all the way to the top end. I mean, I think the fact is, is we're growing our product suite faster than our ability You know, drive 100% penetration and attach and so it's going to take some time. I mean, you're growing the suite out and expanding really the bundle pricing model, which helps us at the point of sale on new business, which is part of what's helping drive up the continued PEPM growth. And then you got to go back and drive the cross sell motion into the base. So that just takes a little bit longer.

Speaker 5

So and then the team's been great at being able to add new solutions and products to the suite at an outsized rate relative to the rest of The competitive set and the other solutions in the market. So I don't think it's going to converge in any near term. And I think it's going to be steady over time.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Robert Simmons with D. A. Davidson. Please go ahead.

Speaker 10

So, your guidance looks like it implies recurring revenue accelerate something like 2 points in the second half of the year from First half, I guess, how much is that from those ramping partnerships in the embedded solution and how much are other factors? Why would first half be slower than second half?

Speaker 5

Yes, I mean, it was really, as we were adding some of these partnerships Last year and coming into the year, we really talked about and there was a couple of dynamics that led to a lower Q4, Q1 number and going into the back half of what is now FY 'twenty four. And yes, some of that's going to be the enterprise, some of is going to be the partnerships. And then there's also a little bit of continued same store sales that we're not going to have the same headwind going into the back Half of the year as well. So most of it's just the visibility to what we're going to see here coming up in January and starting in our fiscal Q3, which is the January quarter, and giving us the confidence to the full year, which has been consistent with how we thought about it the last couple of quarters now.

Speaker 10

Got it. And last year, your seasonality was a little bit skewed, 3Q, 4Q. Should we expect that to normalize this year, which would kind of suggest sort of maybe a lower 3Q growth rate and a higher 4Q growth rate or what should we think?

Speaker 5

Yes, I think you're going to see 3Q normalize just a little bit. There was a little bit of trade with ERC between 3Q and 4Q. That's really not going to be as much of a factor as I think we'll continue to see 3Q normalized over time just as the year end fees become a smaller and smaller portion of our portfolio.

Speaker 10

Got it. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. As there are no further questions, I would now hand the conference over to Raul Villar Jr. For his closing comments.

Speaker 2

Thank you again for joining us tonight. We are encouraged by the underlying fundamentals of the business and remain focused on executing our strategy. We look forward to connecting with you at several upcoming events, including the TD Cowen HCM Summit. Have a great night, everyone.

Operator

Thank you. The conference of Paycor has now concluded.

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Key Takeaways

  • Paycor reported 21% revenue growth in Q1 FY24 with a 200 basis point year-over-year expansion in adjusted operating margin.
  • Recurring revenue rose 16% driven by a 9% increase in employees on the platform (to 2.5 million) and higher per-employee pricing, with list PEPM up 21% to $51.
  • The company is accelerating its up-market shift by adding sales reps (+20% target) and growing strategic embedded HCM partnerships within vertical SaaS platforms, expecting these to contribute meaningfully in H2 and FY25.
  • Product investments include a new generative AI analytics assistant powered by VIZIAR and continued cross-sell success in talent solutions (+40% revenue growth), further bolstered by leadership moves to enhance customer experience.
  • For Q2 FY24, Paycor expects revenues of $154.5–$156.5 million (up to 18% growth) and full-year revenue of $648–$654 million with adjusted operating income of $102–$106 million, projecting stronger second-half performance.
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