NYSE:ATO Atmos Energy Q4 2023 Earnings Report $162.13 +0.73 (+0.45%) Closing price 05/6/2025 03:59 PM EasternExtended Trading$161.91 -0.22 (-0.13%) As of 05/6/2025 07:20 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings HistoryForecast Atmos Energy EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.80Consensus EPS $0.74Beat/MissBeat by +$0.06One Year Ago EPS$0.51Atmos Energy Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$587.64 millionExpected Revenue$959.12 millionBeat/MissMissed by -$371.48 millionYoY Revenue Growth-18.70%Atmos Energy Announcement DetailsQuarterQ4 2023Date11/9/2023TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateThursday, November 9, 2023Conference Call Time10:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsAtmos Energy's Q2 2025 earnings is scheduled for Wednesday, May 7, 2025, with a conference call scheduled on Thursday, May 8, 2025 at 10:00 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Annual Report (10-K)SEC FilingEarnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Atmos Energy Q4 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrNovember 9, 2023 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00And welcome to the Atmos Energy Corporation 4th Quarter Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session. I will now turn the conference over to Dan Mazier, Vice President of Investor Relations And Treasurer, please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:27Thank you, JL. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. With me today are Kevin Akers, President and Chief Executive Officer and Chris Forsyth, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Our earnings release and conference call slide presentation, which we will reference in our prepared remarks, are available at atmosenergy.com under the Investor Relations tab. As we review these financial results and discuss future expectations, please keep in mind Some of our discussion might contain forward looking statements within the meaning of the Securities Act and the Securities Exchange Act. Speaker 100:01:05Our forward looking statements and projections could differ materially from actual results. The factors that could cause such material differences are outlined on Slide 37 and are more fully described in our SEC filings. I will now turn the call over to Kevin. Speaker 200:01:23Thank you, Dan, and good morning, everyone. We appreciate your interest in Atmos Energy. As Saturday is Veterans Day, I would like to take this opportunity to say thank you To the men and women who have served in our armed forces and those currently serving, approximately 300 of our Atmos Energy teammates or part of the nearly 20,000,000 Americans who bravely served our country. Thank you all for your service. Yesterday, we reported earnings per share of $6.10 which represents the 21st consecutive year of earnings per share growth. Speaker 200:01:57Chris will provide some additional color around our financial results later in the call. I will begin today's call highlighting a few of the many accomplishments achieved in fiscal 'twenty three and we'll close with a few updates on key pipeline projects and some thoughts about fiscal 'twenty four. This past October 18 marked Atmos Energy's 40th anniversary as an independent company. We continue to build on the past And focus on the future and be guided by the simple values laid out by our founding Chairman, Charles K. Vaughan of honesty, integrity and good moral character and supported for more than a quarter century by our culture, atmosphere. Speaker 200:02:40These values, combined with the laser focus of our 5,000 dedicated employees on our vision, continue to benefit our customers, our communities and the environment. I've said it before and I will say it again today. Our employees are the heart and soul of Atmos Energy and provide the foundation for Sustained long term success of our company. In fiscal 'twenty three, we continue to execute our proven strategy of operating safely and reliably while we modernize our natural gas distribution, transmission and storage systems. Our fiscal 'twenty three capital investment of over $2,800,000,000 supported the modernization of our distribution and transmission systems Due to replacement of over 900 miles of distribution and transmission pipe and replacement of more than 47,000 service loans. Speaker 200:03:33This investment also supported the strong economic development we continue to see in our service territories. In fiscal 'twenty three, we added nearly 61,000 new customers with over 46,000 of those new customers Located here in Texas. According to the Texas Workforce Commission, the state continued its streak of record employment. For the 12 months ended September, the seasonally adjusted number of employed reached a new record high at over 14,500,000. Texas again added jobs at a faster rate than the nation over the last 12 months, adding nearly 436 1,000 jobs from September 2022 to September 2023. Speaker 200:04:21According to a study recently conducted by Site Selection Group. The Dallas Fort Worth Metroplex is projected to add over 674,000 people By 2028 to reach $8,500,000 While the Austin Round Rock Georgetown corridor It's projected to add over 324,000 people by 2028 to reach 2,700,000. In fiscal 'twenty three, we continue to see good commercial growth as well, adding nearly 3,000 new commercial customers. Our industrial demand for natural gas in our service territories has also remained strong. In fiscal 'twenty three, we added 55 new industrial customers With an anticipated annual load of approximately 19 Bcf once they are fully operational. Speaker 200:05:16The 19 Bcf of annual usage is equivalent to adding nearly 367,000 residential customers on a volumetric basis. This growing demand from all of our customer classes demonstrates the value and vital role natural gas plays in economic development across our service territory. We continue to enhance the safety, reliability, versatility And supply diversification of APT system to support this growth during fiscal 'twenty three. We completed phases 2 and 3 of our Four Phase 104 Mile Line S-two project. As a reminder, Line S-two brings supply from the Haynesville Cotton Valley shale plays to the east side of the growing DFW Metroplex. Speaker 200:06:06Additionally, we completed the final sixty 3 mile portion of our 137 mile36 inches Line X Integrity replacement project. We also completed our 3rd Salt Dome cavern at our Bethel storage facility. This cavern provides additional support to APT's operations And adds over 6 Bcf of new working gas capacity. We remain on track to complete Line PC by the end of the calendar year. This 22 mile 36 inches line will connect the southern end of APT system with the 42 inches Kinder Morgan Permian Highway line It runs from Waha to Katy. Speaker 200:06:49Our new line will support current demand and the forecasted growth as well as increased supply diversity to the north of Austin in both Williamson and Travis Counties in Texas. Our customer support associates and service technicians continued their exceptional customer service and once again received a 98% satisfaction The Atmos Energy team continues to build trust as they help nearly 62,000 customers Receive over $29,000,000 in energy assistance funds. Thank you, T, for taking exceptional care of our customers each and every day. Finally, through our fueling safe and thriving communities initiative, our employees made a difference in the lives of others by supporting schools and students with books, Neals, Max, as we also honored our health care workers, first responders and helped our neighbors in need by supporting more than 1400 non And for over 200 local food banks and shelters, the financial and volunteer resources our team Right. It translated into nearly 5,500,000 meals being served to our neighbors in need. Speaker 200:08:04And we continue to partner with local Habitat for Humanity organizations to provide families with 0 net energy home. These homes are designed to produce more energy than they consume through the use of high efficiency natural gas appliances, Rooftop solar panels and advanced insulation materials. We completed 2 new 0 net energy homes in fiscal 'twenty three And we'll have completed 12 total ZME Homes by the end of fiscal 'twenty four. These homes demonstrate the value and vital role natural gas plays Helping customers reduce their carbon footprint in a cost effective manner is another way Atmos Energy fuels safe and thriving communities. I'm very proud of Atmos Energy and our full team and their many accomplishments in fiscal 'twenty three. Speaker 200:08:54I will now turn the call over to Chris to discuss our fiscal 'twenty three financial results, our fiscal 'twenty four guidance and updated 5 year plan through fiscal 'twenty eight. Chris? Speaker 100:09:05Thank you, Kevin, and good morning, everyone. Our fiscal 'twenty three earnings per share of $6.10 increased 8.9% over fiscal 'twenty two. Our performance continues to reflect the successful execution of our operating, regulatory and financing strategies. In fiscal 'twenty three, we implemented 2 $69,000,000 of annualized operating income increases, excluding the amortization of excess deferred tax liabilities. These outcomes, combined with outcomes received in fiscal 2022, increased operating income by $254,000,000 this fiscal year. Speaker 100:09:39Strong customer growth, higher consumption and rising industrial load in our Distribution segment increased operating income by an additional $30,000,000 Consolidated O and M increased $55,000,000 to $765,000,000 largely driven by higher levels of service orders and increased headcount We support our growing service territory, primarily in Texas. This thing came in at the lower end of our updated guidance range As we saw some moderation in inflation in the 3rd and 4th fiscal quarters. Fiscal 'twenty three capital spending of $2,800,000,000 Represent a 15% increase over the prior fiscal year. 85% of best spend was dedicated to improving the safety and reliability of our system. As a result of this spending, our rate base increased by 18% to an estimated $16,600,000,000 as of September 30. Speaker 100:10:31Finally, we completed $1,600,000,000 of long term financing and completed the securitization process in Kansas and Texas. We finished the fiscal year with an equity capitalization of 61.5 percent and approximately $2,700,000,000 of available liquidity, which leaves us well positioned to support our future operations. Looking forward, our strategy continues to focus on system modernization through disciplined capital spending, Seeking timely recovery of our costs through our regulatory mechanisms, while financing our operations using a balance of equity and long term debt to preserve the strength of our balance sheet, Mitigate financing risk and minimizing the cost of financing to our customers. We anticipate the execution of this strategy and continue to support 6% to 8% annual earnings per share and dividends per share growth. For fiscal 'twenty four, we anticipate earnings per share will be between $6.45 $6.65 and we anticipate fiscal 'twenty eight earnings per share to be in the range of $8.35 $8.75 Additionally, Pattenus Energy's Board of Directors approved a 1 100 and 60th consecutive quarterly cash dividend As an indicated fiscal 2024 annual dividend of $3.22 an 8.8% increase over fiscal 2023. Speaker 100:11:50This plan anticipates total capital spending of approximately $17,000,000,000 This level of spending will continue to support rate base growth of about 11 to 13% per year, which is expected to increase estimated rate base by approximately to approximately $29,000,000,000 in fiscal 'twenty eight. In addition to our capital spending, another significant use of cash will be for taxes. We expect to refund $300,000,000 Excess deferred tax liabilities over the next 5 years with approximately 70% of this amount refunded during fiscal 2024 and fiscal 2025. And we anticipate we will become a material federal cash taxpayer within the next 3 years because of 15% corporate minimum tax that was included in the Inflation Reduction Act. Our O and M spending will continue to focus on compliance based activities that address system safety. Speaker 100:12:42We have assumed O and M inflation of 3.5% annually Through fiscal 'twenty eight from fiscal 'twenty three levels. For fiscal 'twenty four, we anticipate O and M to range from $780,000,000 to $800,000,000 This 5 year plan includes approximately $10,000,000,000 in incremental long term debt and financing, which has been reflected in our earnings per share guidance for both fiscal 'twenty four and fiscal 28. Following the completion of our $900,000,000 long term debt issuance in October, our weighted average cost of debt stood at 4.1%. Our debt maturity schedule is very manageable. Our weighted average maturity is 18.4 years and our next significant tranche of debt is not scheduled to mature Additionally, our financing strategy does not contemplate material exposure to floating rate interest rates. Speaker 100:13:32To further mitigate interest rate risk, we have $900,000,000 in forward starting interest rate swaps in place The hedge portions of our anticipated long term debt issuances in fiscal 202526. The effective weighted average rate of these swaps is 1.59%. Finally, we intend to continue utilizing our ATM program to meet our equity financing needs. As of September 30, We have priced $467,000,000 which represents a significant portion of our anticipated fiscal 'twenty four equity need. Timely recovery of our costs remains a key component of our strategy. Speaker 100:14:07We're off to a good start in fiscal 2024. Since the beginning of the fiscal year, we have implemented $113,000,000 annualized operating income increases in our Distribution segment. And we have 5 filings in progress seeking about $137,000,000 Included in this amount is $107,000,000 requested in APT's General rate case. On October 24, APT and the intervening parties filed a comprehensive settlement agreement with the Texas Railroad Commission. The settlement proposes a rate base of $4,300,000,000 an authorized rate of return of 8.49 percent, Equity capitalization of 60.44 percent and the authorized ROE of 11.45%. Speaker 100:14:53We anticipate the settlement agreement will be on the commission's agenda for December 13 meeting. If approved as filed, This event would result in a $27,000,000 increase in annualized operating income. We remain confident the execution of this strategy will continue Our ability to modernize our system and to support the continued economic development in our service territories. Our customers will continue to benefit from this strategy As we expect, our average residential bill will remain one of the most competitively priced utility bills in our customers' home. Thank you for your time this morning. Speaker 100:15:25I will now turn the call back over to Kevin for Speaker 200:15:29Thank you, Chris. And as you heard this morning, the successful fiscal 'twenty three has us well positioned for fiscal 'twenty four. As part of our $2,900,000,000 fiscal 'twenty four capital spending plan, APT will continue to focus on enhancing the safety, Reliability, versatility and supply diversification of its system. APT will continue work on the remaining 40 miles of the line S2 36 inches pipeline project, which we anticipate having the final phase in service by December of 2024. In fiscal 'twenty three, APT began a multi phase line WA loop project that will install approximately 80 miles of 36 inches pipeline To fortify the northern part of the system that serves the Dallas Fort Worth Metroplex. Speaker 200:16:17Phase 1, approximately 24 miles, Is anticipated to be completed by the end of this calendar year. Design is underway for Phase 2, which will install an additional 40 miles, And we anticipate that Phase 2 will be placed in service by the end of calendar year 2025. Phase 3 will include the installation of the Final 16 miles, and we anticipate that, that phase will be placed into service by the end of calendar year 2026. Additionally, in fiscal 'twenty four, APT will begin construction of a 54 mile, 36 inches pipeline from a Bethel storage facility To our gross spec compressor station to support forecasted growth in reincentive Travis Counties in Central Texas. We anticipate that the project will be placed in service by the end of calendar year 2025. Speaker 200:17:10Our gas supply team has us well positioned for this upcoming heating season The supply of reliability and at competitive prices. Our gas supply team has hedged 50% of our winter supply needs Through a combination of storage and financial contracts at a weighted average cost of $3.31 I'm very excited about the direction and long term stability of Atmos Energy. The foundation has been set with a proven safety driven strategy, The company with organic growth has yield 6% to 8% fully regulated earnings per share and commensurate dividend per share growth supported by strong financial profile. We operate in a diversified and growing jurisdictional footprint That is supportive of investment in natural gas infrastructure with 96% of our rate base situated in 6 of our 8 states that have passed legislation in support of Energy Choice. We have a long runway of work to support the planned $17,000,000,000 in capital spending Over the next 5 years as we continue to modernize our natural gas distribution, transmission and storage system. Speaker 200:18:20As Chris noted, most of our fiscal 'twenty four financing costs are known, and we have hedged $900,000,000 of our financing needs beyond fiscal 2024. The strength of our balance sheet and available liquidity will continue to support our operations in a cost effective manner for our customers. Focusing on long term sustainability has always been a part of our strategy as reflected in the vital role we play in every community. Safely delivering reliable and efficient natural gas to homes, businesses and industries to fuel our energy needs now and in the future. We appreciate your time this morning, and we'll now open the call for questions. Operator00:19:02Thank you. Your first question comes from the line of Nick Campanella of Barclays. Your line is open. Speaker 300:19:23Hey, good morning, everyone, and congrats on the anniversary here. Speaker 200:19:29Thank you, Nick. Speaker 300:19:30Absolutely. Good morning. So I guess to start, you've been fairly programmatic in how you issue equity and Acknowledging kind of the 2024 is largely priced here as well. How do we kind of think about future issuances just given the size of the capital plan seems to go up every year that's likely going to pressure equity Hi. Are you still very comfortable that you can do this all with ATM or would you consider other means? Speaker 100:19:59Good morning, Nick. This is Chris. Yes, right now, we remain pretty confident that we can still use the ATM to fund those equity needs. As you know, we have a balanced financing strategy. We're certainly looking at a number of factors that's cost of the customer, strength of the balance sheet, which Credit ratings, credit facilities, our ability to finance attractively in the capital markets And equity is a component of that. Speaker 100:20:24So we're certainly looking at that particular tool. I mean, we have other tools available to us if needed. But at this Given the liquidity that we have in the market, we believe we can satisfy those needs through the ATM. Speaker 300:20:40Got it. That's super helpful. And then congrats on the APT settlement. I guess just are you reflecting that current Settlement outcome in the 6% to 8% guidance here? Or do you wait until December 12? Speaker 100:20:54Yes, that's something that has been contemplated in the guidance we issued yesterday. Speaker 200:21:00All right. Thanks so much. We'll talk to you soon. Thank you. Thank Operator00:21:04you. Your next question comes from the line of Richard Sunderland of JPMorgan. Your line is open. Speaker 400:21:12Hi, good morning. Am I coming through clearly? Speaker 200:21:15You are. Good morning. Speaker 400:21:17Great. Thank you. Following up on the financing side, Just curious if 50% to 60% equity capitalization is still the target to think about or is 60% more appropriate given the outcome on the APP side? Speaker 100:21:33So we look at the balance sheet holistically across all of our jurisdictions as well as what we need to continue to support our credit ratings. So we have skewed towards the upper end of a 50% to 60% range now for the last few years. We're comfortable to be in that range and that's Kind of where we anticipate being over the next 5 Speaker 400:21:54years. Understood. And then turning to the O and M side, You laid out a little bit of this in the script, but just curious if you could parse the recent O and M trends a little bit more. How much of 2H's moderation versus timing? And then how much conservatism is or is not baked into that 2024 outlook? Speaker 200:22:15I mean, again, We've been at this 3% to 3.5% projection on O and M now for quite a long time. We feel comfortable in that range. As you know, we use different levers over time when needed to mitigate any of the O and M pressures that we see coming down the road. And again, with some of the additional pullback in some of our service territories in the housing market, We've seen line and locate costs come down. We've seen other compliance costs come down. Speaker 200:22:45So we remain confident as we head into 24 right now that what we have projected out there of the 780 to 800, we feel very confident in. Speaker 400:22:56Great. Very helpful as always. Thank you for the time. Operator00:23:02Your next question comes from the line of Gabe Maureen of Mizuho, your line is open. Speaker 500:23:09Hey, good morning, everyone. Maybe if I can also on the O and M topic just a little bit. You adjusted a bit, but I noticed that maybe the long term O and M guidance went a little a smidge higher, But it sounds like you're very confident at least in the near term outlook for sort of your O and M costs. Can you just address That long term guidance in the context of sort of what you're seeing near term and why you felt maybe a little like you needed to nudge it up a little bit? Speaker 200:23:37Yes. Again, I'll reiterate what I said previously. There toward the last quarter, we saw some of the line locating requests Drop down just a few percentage points in some of our jurisdictions, even though here in Texas we saw an 8% increase. So that's what we were looking at there. That certainly reduced some of our compliance costs. Speaker 200:23:59Then again, with some of our other compliance activity and timing of those sort of things, We think we've got a good handle on what the next year, the 3 to 5 year window looks like on planned O and M activity, compliance activity, Those sort of things. So those were some of the drivers we were looking at that came out of the last quarter and allowed us to In that 3% to 3.5% range and that $780,000,000 to $800,000,000 Speaker 100:24:24Yes. And Gabe, I'll add to that. There's a lot of compliance work We still have to do as a utility. The rules continue to become more stringent. So we're anticipating some of that in the 3.5%. Speaker 100:24:35A little bit higher inflation that we've had in the past, although it has moderated somewhat in the 3rd and 4th quarters. As a final reminder, with our annual mechanisms that we have in some of our jurisdictions, we had the opportunity to recover that Fairly timely, generally within a year. So it shouldn't be a significant drag if approved through those annual mechanisms as we anticipate. Speaker 500:25:01Got it. And maybe if I can also ask in the context of becoming a cash taxpayer over the next couple of years, is there anything you can do kind of as an offset, Whether from a corporate level or from a regulatory standpoint to offset maybe some of the cash impact there? And then maybe also bigger picture, Sure. Just what you're assuming sort of on interest rates and recoverability from a caustic capital standpoint over the next couple of years given how dramatically rates have shifted, I guess it's the last slide you're up to. Speaker 100:25:30Sure. I'll address the cash taxes first. First, we've got Access deferred taxes, as I mentioned, that's beginning to tail off kind of after a couple of years. The IRA for us expects We should kick in, in the mid part of the 5 year plan. And that's predicated on this continued growth of the company. Speaker 100:25:51Fortunately, there aren't a lot of levers for us to pull. It's really a 15% or you end up becoming a cash Taxpayer as we begin to burn off some of the NOL shield that we have and that's contemplated in our plan. So we knew going into this plan that We had either 15% or the fact that NOLShields were going to be coming lower. So there's not a lot of levers we can do. Our tax team is obviously looking at Opportunities for tax planning strategies, too soon to say if there's anything material that will come from that. Speaker 100:26:24But right now, We have conservatively estimated that we'll be a full cash federal cash taxpayer having the middle part of our 5 year plan. With respect to interest rate costs, we've certainly have reflected what we believe our current market conditions in the 5 year plan. I'll Also just remind you that we have the $900,000,000 in hedges at a weighted average treasury cost of about 1.59%. That's a significant portion of our anticipated FY 'twenty five need and a fair amount of our anticipated FY 'twenty six need. So And we'll continue to look for opportunities to lock in some hedges. Speaker 100:27:04But given the higher elevated or where the interest rates are right now, it may not be as prudent We're as attracted to do so as it was a couple of years ago when rates were in Speaker 200:27:14the sub-two range. Yes. I just want to reemphasize that the plan does reflect, as Chris said there, I was becoming a tax cash payer out in that time frame. So that's all backed into the plan that's out there. Operator00:27:33Your next question comes from the line of Julien Jimulain Smith of Bank of America. Your line is open. Speaker 600:27:41Thank you, operator. Good morning, team. I really appreciate the time. Just maybe Picking up where Gabe left off there. Just on the question of taxes, if you don't mind, what about for income statement purposes, how do you think about effective tax rates here? Speaker 600:27:53I mean, The comment about going to full cash taxpayer here in the next 3 years, certainly relevant from financing, but how do you think about the uptick obviously from 23 to 24 And then from there on out in terms of the effective tax rate on the income statement, obviously, I get that some of that over time is going to be subsumed back into the regulated Cost structure, but I'm just curious on how you would set expectations and if there's any kind of question about recovery and timing there as well in the next few years as you see that uptick? Speaker 100:28:23Yes. We'll certainly see an uptick in the effective income tax rate. Again, that's being influenced right now, certainly last 2 or 3 years with these excess of deferred tax liabilities. Our effective tax rate 2 years ago was in the 11% range. It ticked up close to 15%. Speaker 100:28:38And we'll end up being in that 22% to 23% range here in the not too distant future. Again, all of these costs we believe are recoverable, Including the IRA corporate minimum tax and our regulatory and tax teams are working on strategies right now to begin Dialogue with those regulators to educate them on where that is in terms of what the law requires and then what the recoverability might look like. Speaker 600:29:07Got it, right. So regulatory strategy on the come here, but not overly concerned about what that does in terms of like maybe a lag headwind here and Call it 25 and 26 as you kind of get to that more normalized level if you will. Speaker 100:29:20Yes, correct. Not a material impact. And again, all that's been reflected in the guidance for FY 'twenty four through to FY 'twenty eight. Speaker 600:29:30Excellent. Very much appreciated. And then just on the O and M side, I just wanted to understand, as you think about that normalized, I think you said 3% to 3.5%, like how do you think about What is going on in the context of line locates within that composition through the future? I mean, obviously, that's been elevated here. You saw a little bit of reprieve. Speaker 600:29:49How do you think about that contributing to that normalized level versus this just being the new norm? Or is there an elevated Line locate just embedded in that 3 to 3.5 here. Speaker 200:30:01No, Julien. It's part of our ongoing strategy with whether Contractors or internal labor, we always look at what's going on in the market where we have contractors. We look at those on an annual basis to see if they need adjustment, Forecasted work for them. And any strategic opportunities we may have to in source opportunities there to offset some of the costs So if you're taking a longer term view, so all those options remain on the table as they have in the past, but we continue to look at these On an annual basis, so that's where we get the comfort in that range that we put out there right now. Speaker 600:30:39Okay, fair enough. But it's not like you have some meaningful further uptick in line locates or something like that, that we should be aware of here. Speaker 200:30:47Now again, with the growth that I talked about on the front end and the population and trending that we've seen out there, that's all been Baked into the plan out there, all the labor, anticipated labor, the current contracts we have in place, the labor rates that are out there right now, we have baked all that into Fine. Yes. Speaker 100:31:04And the 3.5% annual increase is off of FY 'twenty three level, so kind of starting at that elevated level already. Speaker 600:31:12Yes. Thanks for flagging that. That's a good point as well. All right, guys. I appreciate it. Speaker 600:31:15You guys take care. Speaker 100:31:17Thank you. Thank you. Operator00:31:23Your next question comes from the line of Ryan Levine of Citi. Your line is open. Speaker 700:31:28Good morning, everybody. I want to follow-up on the O and M getting a little more granular. In terms of the outlook, It's more on an annual basis, but can you speak to maybe the seasonality attributes of the O and M outlook? Should we look to 2020, the most recent Fiscal year as indicative of seasonality trends on a go forward basis, is there anything else to call out? Speaker 100:31:53Yes, there's that. On the O and M, there is some element of seasonality. It's difficult to predict because We are managing our O and M over the entire fiscal year. So for example, like last fiscal year where we had at the start of the year we had Freeze in place, kind of doing some in line inspection work at APT at the end of fiscal 2022. It made good business sense to go ahead and continue that work Into fiscal 'twenty three, although it had been planned originally to be in the back end of fiscal 'twenty three, rather than to demobilize the crews and remobilize 6 9 months later to meet a budget, we decided to go ahead and continue forward. Speaker 100:32:33So that was an operating decision that we made that we thought was in the best interest of the company and our customers. And so we make those decisions on a day in and day out basis. So it's difficult to predict if Certainly those larger expenses windows when they could occur within a quarter, but certainly we're managing through a full fiscal year result. Same thing on line locate. Kevin talked about some moderation right now that we're seeing, but 6 months from now, we can be in a different environment and line locating may pick up And we again try to manage that on the full fiscal year basis. Speaker 100:33:09But quarter by quarter, we're not as focused on I have to get this work done in a quarter unless there's a specific time requirement. But again, we are well ahead of our compliance deadlines, which gives us the opportunity to manage from a full fiscal year basis. Speaker 200:33:24Yes. Ryan, the other thing I'd say, Chris is spot on with that, is we do given the economic growth that we've seen across our service territory, There are times when jurisdictions that want to pull forward projects, whether they're water sewer related or there's fiber things going on, fiber projects out there that we'll have to Move and adjust to as well based upon their time line. It may not be seasonably ratable, but it may be in a quarter, it may show up. So again, we have to get the work done when we need to get the work done and work with our communities to make sure we're in concert with their projects as well. Speaker 700:34:01Great. Thanks for the answer there. And maybe just one other in terms of within Texas with the Railroad Commission, is there any discussion around Consolidating jurisdictions or regulatory contracts as Do you want to negotiate outcomes on a go forward basis? Speaker 100:34:19Yes. We're aware of some filings that are out there, just kind of looking at that opportunity. We're looking at those right now And seeing if that would make sense or make sense for us. But we're aware of what others might or are trying to do at this point in time. Speaker 700:34:34Thank you. Have a good day. Operator00:34:38There are no further questions at this time. I'll now turn the call over to Dan Mazir for some closing remarks. 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The Distribution segment is involved in the regulated natural gas distribution and related sales operations in eight states. This segment distributes natural gas to approximately 3.3 million residential, commercial, public authority, and industrial customers; and owned 73,689 miles of underground distribution and transmission mains. The Pipeline and Storage segment engages in the pipeline and storage operations. This segment transports natural gas for third parties and manages five underground storage facilities in Texas; provides ancillary services customary to the pipeline industry, including parking arrangements, lending, and inventory sales; and owned 5,645 miles of gas transmission lines. 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There are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00And welcome to the Atmos Energy Corporation 4th Quarter Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session. I will now turn the conference over to Dan Mazier, Vice President of Investor Relations And Treasurer, please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:27Thank you, JL. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. With me today are Kevin Akers, President and Chief Executive Officer and Chris Forsyth, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Our earnings release and conference call slide presentation, which we will reference in our prepared remarks, are available at atmosenergy.com under the Investor Relations tab. As we review these financial results and discuss future expectations, please keep in mind Some of our discussion might contain forward looking statements within the meaning of the Securities Act and the Securities Exchange Act. Speaker 100:01:05Our forward looking statements and projections could differ materially from actual results. The factors that could cause such material differences are outlined on Slide 37 and are more fully described in our SEC filings. I will now turn the call over to Kevin. Speaker 200:01:23Thank you, Dan, and good morning, everyone. We appreciate your interest in Atmos Energy. As Saturday is Veterans Day, I would like to take this opportunity to say thank you To the men and women who have served in our armed forces and those currently serving, approximately 300 of our Atmos Energy teammates or part of the nearly 20,000,000 Americans who bravely served our country. Thank you all for your service. Yesterday, we reported earnings per share of $6.10 which represents the 21st consecutive year of earnings per share growth. Speaker 200:01:57Chris will provide some additional color around our financial results later in the call. I will begin today's call highlighting a few of the many accomplishments achieved in fiscal 'twenty three and we'll close with a few updates on key pipeline projects and some thoughts about fiscal 'twenty four. This past October 18 marked Atmos Energy's 40th anniversary as an independent company. We continue to build on the past And focus on the future and be guided by the simple values laid out by our founding Chairman, Charles K. Vaughan of honesty, integrity and good moral character and supported for more than a quarter century by our culture, atmosphere. Speaker 200:02:40These values, combined with the laser focus of our 5,000 dedicated employees on our vision, continue to benefit our customers, our communities and the environment. I've said it before and I will say it again today. Our employees are the heart and soul of Atmos Energy and provide the foundation for Sustained long term success of our company. In fiscal 'twenty three, we continue to execute our proven strategy of operating safely and reliably while we modernize our natural gas distribution, transmission and storage systems. Our fiscal 'twenty three capital investment of over $2,800,000,000 supported the modernization of our distribution and transmission systems Due to replacement of over 900 miles of distribution and transmission pipe and replacement of more than 47,000 service loans. Speaker 200:03:33This investment also supported the strong economic development we continue to see in our service territories. In fiscal 'twenty three, we added nearly 61,000 new customers with over 46,000 of those new customers Located here in Texas. According to the Texas Workforce Commission, the state continued its streak of record employment. For the 12 months ended September, the seasonally adjusted number of employed reached a new record high at over 14,500,000. Texas again added jobs at a faster rate than the nation over the last 12 months, adding nearly 436 1,000 jobs from September 2022 to September 2023. Speaker 200:04:21According to a study recently conducted by Site Selection Group. The Dallas Fort Worth Metroplex is projected to add over 674,000 people By 2028 to reach $8,500,000 While the Austin Round Rock Georgetown corridor It's projected to add over 324,000 people by 2028 to reach 2,700,000. In fiscal 'twenty three, we continue to see good commercial growth as well, adding nearly 3,000 new commercial customers. Our industrial demand for natural gas in our service territories has also remained strong. In fiscal 'twenty three, we added 55 new industrial customers With an anticipated annual load of approximately 19 Bcf once they are fully operational. Speaker 200:05:16The 19 Bcf of annual usage is equivalent to adding nearly 367,000 residential customers on a volumetric basis. This growing demand from all of our customer classes demonstrates the value and vital role natural gas plays in economic development across our service territory. We continue to enhance the safety, reliability, versatility And supply diversification of APT system to support this growth during fiscal 'twenty three. We completed phases 2 and 3 of our Four Phase 104 Mile Line S-two project. As a reminder, Line S-two brings supply from the Haynesville Cotton Valley shale plays to the east side of the growing DFW Metroplex. Speaker 200:06:06Additionally, we completed the final sixty 3 mile portion of our 137 mile36 inches Line X Integrity replacement project. We also completed our 3rd Salt Dome cavern at our Bethel storage facility. This cavern provides additional support to APT's operations And adds over 6 Bcf of new working gas capacity. We remain on track to complete Line PC by the end of the calendar year. This 22 mile 36 inches line will connect the southern end of APT system with the 42 inches Kinder Morgan Permian Highway line It runs from Waha to Katy. Speaker 200:06:49Our new line will support current demand and the forecasted growth as well as increased supply diversity to the north of Austin in both Williamson and Travis Counties in Texas. Our customer support associates and service technicians continued their exceptional customer service and once again received a 98% satisfaction The Atmos Energy team continues to build trust as they help nearly 62,000 customers Receive over $29,000,000 in energy assistance funds. Thank you, T, for taking exceptional care of our customers each and every day. Finally, through our fueling safe and thriving communities initiative, our employees made a difference in the lives of others by supporting schools and students with books, Neals, Max, as we also honored our health care workers, first responders and helped our neighbors in need by supporting more than 1400 non And for over 200 local food banks and shelters, the financial and volunteer resources our team Right. It translated into nearly 5,500,000 meals being served to our neighbors in need. Speaker 200:08:04And we continue to partner with local Habitat for Humanity organizations to provide families with 0 net energy home. These homes are designed to produce more energy than they consume through the use of high efficiency natural gas appliances, Rooftop solar panels and advanced insulation materials. We completed 2 new 0 net energy homes in fiscal 'twenty three And we'll have completed 12 total ZME Homes by the end of fiscal 'twenty four. These homes demonstrate the value and vital role natural gas plays Helping customers reduce their carbon footprint in a cost effective manner is another way Atmos Energy fuels safe and thriving communities. I'm very proud of Atmos Energy and our full team and their many accomplishments in fiscal 'twenty three. Speaker 200:08:54I will now turn the call over to Chris to discuss our fiscal 'twenty three financial results, our fiscal 'twenty four guidance and updated 5 year plan through fiscal 'twenty eight. Chris? Speaker 100:09:05Thank you, Kevin, and good morning, everyone. Our fiscal 'twenty three earnings per share of $6.10 increased 8.9% over fiscal 'twenty two. Our performance continues to reflect the successful execution of our operating, regulatory and financing strategies. In fiscal 'twenty three, we implemented 2 $69,000,000 of annualized operating income increases, excluding the amortization of excess deferred tax liabilities. These outcomes, combined with outcomes received in fiscal 2022, increased operating income by $254,000,000 this fiscal year. Speaker 100:09:39Strong customer growth, higher consumption and rising industrial load in our Distribution segment increased operating income by an additional $30,000,000 Consolidated O and M increased $55,000,000 to $765,000,000 largely driven by higher levels of service orders and increased headcount We support our growing service territory, primarily in Texas. This thing came in at the lower end of our updated guidance range As we saw some moderation in inflation in the 3rd and 4th fiscal quarters. Fiscal 'twenty three capital spending of $2,800,000,000 Represent a 15% increase over the prior fiscal year. 85% of best spend was dedicated to improving the safety and reliability of our system. As a result of this spending, our rate base increased by 18% to an estimated $16,600,000,000 as of September 30. Speaker 100:10:31Finally, we completed $1,600,000,000 of long term financing and completed the securitization process in Kansas and Texas. We finished the fiscal year with an equity capitalization of 61.5 percent and approximately $2,700,000,000 of available liquidity, which leaves us well positioned to support our future operations. Looking forward, our strategy continues to focus on system modernization through disciplined capital spending, Seeking timely recovery of our costs through our regulatory mechanisms, while financing our operations using a balance of equity and long term debt to preserve the strength of our balance sheet, Mitigate financing risk and minimizing the cost of financing to our customers. We anticipate the execution of this strategy and continue to support 6% to 8% annual earnings per share and dividends per share growth. For fiscal 'twenty four, we anticipate earnings per share will be between $6.45 $6.65 and we anticipate fiscal 'twenty eight earnings per share to be in the range of $8.35 $8.75 Additionally, Pattenus Energy's Board of Directors approved a 1 100 and 60th consecutive quarterly cash dividend As an indicated fiscal 2024 annual dividend of $3.22 an 8.8% increase over fiscal 2023. Speaker 100:11:50This plan anticipates total capital spending of approximately $17,000,000,000 This level of spending will continue to support rate base growth of about 11 to 13% per year, which is expected to increase estimated rate base by approximately to approximately $29,000,000,000 in fiscal 'twenty eight. In addition to our capital spending, another significant use of cash will be for taxes. We expect to refund $300,000,000 Excess deferred tax liabilities over the next 5 years with approximately 70% of this amount refunded during fiscal 2024 and fiscal 2025. And we anticipate we will become a material federal cash taxpayer within the next 3 years because of 15% corporate minimum tax that was included in the Inflation Reduction Act. Our O and M spending will continue to focus on compliance based activities that address system safety. Speaker 100:12:42We have assumed O and M inflation of 3.5% annually Through fiscal 'twenty eight from fiscal 'twenty three levels. For fiscal 'twenty four, we anticipate O and M to range from $780,000,000 to $800,000,000 This 5 year plan includes approximately $10,000,000,000 in incremental long term debt and financing, which has been reflected in our earnings per share guidance for both fiscal 'twenty four and fiscal 28. Following the completion of our $900,000,000 long term debt issuance in October, our weighted average cost of debt stood at 4.1%. Our debt maturity schedule is very manageable. Our weighted average maturity is 18.4 years and our next significant tranche of debt is not scheduled to mature Additionally, our financing strategy does not contemplate material exposure to floating rate interest rates. Speaker 100:13:32To further mitigate interest rate risk, we have $900,000,000 in forward starting interest rate swaps in place The hedge portions of our anticipated long term debt issuances in fiscal 202526. The effective weighted average rate of these swaps is 1.59%. Finally, we intend to continue utilizing our ATM program to meet our equity financing needs. As of September 30, We have priced $467,000,000 which represents a significant portion of our anticipated fiscal 'twenty four equity need. Timely recovery of our costs remains a key component of our strategy. Speaker 100:14:07We're off to a good start in fiscal 2024. Since the beginning of the fiscal year, we have implemented $113,000,000 annualized operating income increases in our Distribution segment. And we have 5 filings in progress seeking about $137,000,000 Included in this amount is $107,000,000 requested in APT's General rate case. On October 24, APT and the intervening parties filed a comprehensive settlement agreement with the Texas Railroad Commission. The settlement proposes a rate base of $4,300,000,000 an authorized rate of return of 8.49 percent, Equity capitalization of 60.44 percent and the authorized ROE of 11.45%. Speaker 100:14:53We anticipate the settlement agreement will be on the commission's agenda for December 13 meeting. If approved as filed, This event would result in a $27,000,000 increase in annualized operating income. We remain confident the execution of this strategy will continue Our ability to modernize our system and to support the continued economic development in our service territories. Our customers will continue to benefit from this strategy As we expect, our average residential bill will remain one of the most competitively priced utility bills in our customers' home. Thank you for your time this morning. Speaker 100:15:25I will now turn the call back over to Kevin for Speaker 200:15:29Thank you, Chris. And as you heard this morning, the successful fiscal 'twenty three has us well positioned for fiscal 'twenty four. As part of our $2,900,000,000 fiscal 'twenty four capital spending plan, APT will continue to focus on enhancing the safety, Reliability, versatility and supply diversification of its system. APT will continue work on the remaining 40 miles of the line S2 36 inches pipeline project, which we anticipate having the final phase in service by December of 2024. In fiscal 'twenty three, APT began a multi phase line WA loop project that will install approximately 80 miles of 36 inches pipeline To fortify the northern part of the system that serves the Dallas Fort Worth Metroplex. Speaker 200:16:17Phase 1, approximately 24 miles, Is anticipated to be completed by the end of this calendar year. Design is underway for Phase 2, which will install an additional 40 miles, And we anticipate that Phase 2 will be placed in service by the end of calendar year 2025. Phase 3 will include the installation of the Final 16 miles, and we anticipate that, that phase will be placed into service by the end of calendar year 2026. Additionally, in fiscal 'twenty four, APT will begin construction of a 54 mile, 36 inches pipeline from a Bethel storage facility To our gross spec compressor station to support forecasted growth in reincentive Travis Counties in Central Texas. We anticipate that the project will be placed in service by the end of calendar year 2025. Speaker 200:17:10Our gas supply team has us well positioned for this upcoming heating season The supply of reliability and at competitive prices. Our gas supply team has hedged 50% of our winter supply needs Through a combination of storage and financial contracts at a weighted average cost of $3.31 I'm very excited about the direction and long term stability of Atmos Energy. The foundation has been set with a proven safety driven strategy, The company with organic growth has yield 6% to 8% fully regulated earnings per share and commensurate dividend per share growth supported by strong financial profile. We operate in a diversified and growing jurisdictional footprint That is supportive of investment in natural gas infrastructure with 96% of our rate base situated in 6 of our 8 states that have passed legislation in support of Energy Choice. We have a long runway of work to support the planned $17,000,000,000 in capital spending Over the next 5 years as we continue to modernize our natural gas distribution, transmission and storage system. Speaker 200:18:20As Chris noted, most of our fiscal 'twenty four financing costs are known, and we have hedged $900,000,000 of our financing needs beyond fiscal 2024. The strength of our balance sheet and available liquidity will continue to support our operations in a cost effective manner for our customers. Focusing on long term sustainability has always been a part of our strategy as reflected in the vital role we play in every community. Safely delivering reliable and efficient natural gas to homes, businesses and industries to fuel our energy needs now and in the future. We appreciate your time this morning, and we'll now open the call for questions. Operator00:19:02Thank you. Your first question comes from the line of Nick Campanella of Barclays. Your line is open. Speaker 300:19:23Hey, good morning, everyone, and congrats on the anniversary here. Speaker 200:19:29Thank you, Nick. Speaker 300:19:30Absolutely. Good morning. So I guess to start, you've been fairly programmatic in how you issue equity and Acknowledging kind of the 2024 is largely priced here as well. How do we kind of think about future issuances just given the size of the capital plan seems to go up every year that's likely going to pressure equity Hi. Are you still very comfortable that you can do this all with ATM or would you consider other means? Speaker 100:19:59Good morning, Nick. This is Chris. Yes, right now, we remain pretty confident that we can still use the ATM to fund those equity needs. As you know, we have a balanced financing strategy. We're certainly looking at a number of factors that's cost of the customer, strength of the balance sheet, which Credit ratings, credit facilities, our ability to finance attractively in the capital markets And equity is a component of that. Speaker 100:20:24So we're certainly looking at that particular tool. I mean, we have other tools available to us if needed. But at this Given the liquidity that we have in the market, we believe we can satisfy those needs through the ATM. Speaker 300:20:40Got it. That's super helpful. And then congrats on the APT settlement. I guess just are you reflecting that current Settlement outcome in the 6% to 8% guidance here? Or do you wait until December 12? Speaker 100:20:54Yes, that's something that has been contemplated in the guidance we issued yesterday. Speaker 200:21:00All right. Thanks so much. We'll talk to you soon. Thank you. Thank Operator00:21:04you. Your next question comes from the line of Richard Sunderland of JPMorgan. Your line is open. Speaker 400:21:12Hi, good morning. Am I coming through clearly? Speaker 200:21:15You are. Good morning. Speaker 400:21:17Great. Thank you. Following up on the financing side, Just curious if 50% to 60% equity capitalization is still the target to think about or is 60% more appropriate given the outcome on the APP side? Speaker 100:21:33So we look at the balance sheet holistically across all of our jurisdictions as well as what we need to continue to support our credit ratings. So we have skewed towards the upper end of a 50% to 60% range now for the last few years. We're comfortable to be in that range and that's Kind of where we anticipate being over the next 5 Speaker 400:21:54years. Understood. And then turning to the O and M side, You laid out a little bit of this in the script, but just curious if you could parse the recent O and M trends a little bit more. How much of 2H's moderation versus timing? And then how much conservatism is or is not baked into that 2024 outlook? Speaker 200:22:15I mean, again, We've been at this 3% to 3.5% projection on O and M now for quite a long time. We feel comfortable in that range. As you know, we use different levers over time when needed to mitigate any of the O and M pressures that we see coming down the road. And again, with some of the additional pullback in some of our service territories in the housing market, We've seen line and locate costs come down. We've seen other compliance costs come down. Speaker 200:22:45So we remain confident as we head into 24 right now that what we have projected out there of the 780 to 800, we feel very confident in. Speaker 400:22:56Great. Very helpful as always. Thank you for the time. Operator00:23:02Your next question comes from the line of Gabe Maureen of Mizuho, your line is open. Speaker 500:23:09Hey, good morning, everyone. Maybe if I can also on the O and M topic just a little bit. You adjusted a bit, but I noticed that maybe the long term O and M guidance went a little a smidge higher, But it sounds like you're very confident at least in the near term outlook for sort of your O and M costs. Can you just address That long term guidance in the context of sort of what you're seeing near term and why you felt maybe a little like you needed to nudge it up a little bit? Speaker 200:23:37Yes. Again, I'll reiterate what I said previously. There toward the last quarter, we saw some of the line locating requests Drop down just a few percentage points in some of our jurisdictions, even though here in Texas we saw an 8% increase. So that's what we were looking at there. That certainly reduced some of our compliance costs. Speaker 200:23:59Then again, with some of our other compliance activity and timing of those sort of things, We think we've got a good handle on what the next year, the 3 to 5 year window looks like on planned O and M activity, compliance activity, Those sort of things. So those were some of the drivers we were looking at that came out of the last quarter and allowed us to In that 3% to 3.5% range and that $780,000,000 to $800,000,000 Speaker 100:24:24Yes. And Gabe, I'll add to that. There's a lot of compliance work We still have to do as a utility. The rules continue to become more stringent. So we're anticipating some of that in the 3.5%. Speaker 100:24:35A little bit higher inflation that we've had in the past, although it has moderated somewhat in the 3rd and 4th quarters. As a final reminder, with our annual mechanisms that we have in some of our jurisdictions, we had the opportunity to recover that Fairly timely, generally within a year. So it shouldn't be a significant drag if approved through those annual mechanisms as we anticipate. Speaker 500:25:01Got it. And maybe if I can also ask in the context of becoming a cash taxpayer over the next couple of years, is there anything you can do kind of as an offset, Whether from a corporate level or from a regulatory standpoint to offset maybe some of the cash impact there? And then maybe also bigger picture, Sure. Just what you're assuming sort of on interest rates and recoverability from a caustic capital standpoint over the next couple of years given how dramatically rates have shifted, I guess it's the last slide you're up to. Speaker 100:25:30Sure. I'll address the cash taxes first. First, we've got Access deferred taxes, as I mentioned, that's beginning to tail off kind of after a couple of years. The IRA for us expects We should kick in, in the mid part of the 5 year plan. And that's predicated on this continued growth of the company. Speaker 100:25:51Fortunately, there aren't a lot of levers for us to pull. It's really a 15% or you end up becoming a cash Taxpayer as we begin to burn off some of the NOL shield that we have and that's contemplated in our plan. So we knew going into this plan that We had either 15% or the fact that NOLShields were going to be coming lower. So there's not a lot of levers we can do. Our tax team is obviously looking at Opportunities for tax planning strategies, too soon to say if there's anything material that will come from that. Speaker 100:26:24But right now, We have conservatively estimated that we'll be a full cash federal cash taxpayer having the middle part of our 5 year plan. With respect to interest rate costs, we've certainly have reflected what we believe our current market conditions in the 5 year plan. I'll Also just remind you that we have the $900,000,000 in hedges at a weighted average treasury cost of about 1.59%. That's a significant portion of our anticipated FY 'twenty five need and a fair amount of our anticipated FY 'twenty six need. So And we'll continue to look for opportunities to lock in some hedges. Speaker 100:27:04But given the higher elevated or where the interest rates are right now, it may not be as prudent We're as attracted to do so as it was a couple of years ago when rates were in Speaker 200:27:14the sub-two range. Yes. I just want to reemphasize that the plan does reflect, as Chris said there, I was becoming a tax cash payer out in that time frame. So that's all backed into the plan that's out there. Operator00:27:33Your next question comes from the line of Julien Jimulain Smith of Bank of America. Your line is open. Speaker 600:27:41Thank you, operator. Good morning, team. I really appreciate the time. Just maybe Picking up where Gabe left off there. Just on the question of taxes, if you don't mind, what about for income statement purposes, how do you think about effective tax rates here? Speaker 600:27:53I mean, The comment about going to full cash taxpayer here in the next 3 years, certainly relevant from financing, but how do you think about the uptick obviously from 23 to 24 And then from there on out in terms of the effective tax rate on the income statement, obviously, I get that some of that over time is going to be subsumed back into the regulated Cost structure, but I'm just curious on how you would set expectations and if there's any kind of question about recovery and timing there as well in the next few years as you see that uptick? Speaker 100:28:23Yes. We'll certainly see an uptick in the effective income tax rate. Again, that's being influenced right now, certainly last 2 or 3 years with these excess of deferred tax liabilities. Our effective tax rate 2 years ago was in the 11% range. It ticked up close to 15%. Speaker 100:28:38And we'll end up being in that 22% to 23% range here in the not too distant future. Again, all of these costs we believe are recoverable, Including the IRA corporate minimum tax and our regulatory and tax teams are working on strategies right now to begin Dialogue with those regulators to educate them on where that is in terms of what the law requires and then what the recoverability might look like. Speaker 600:29:07Got it, right. So regulatory strategy on the come here, but not overly concerned about what that does in terms of like maybe a lag headwind here and Call it 25 and 26 as you kind of get to that more normalized level if you will. Speaker 100:29:20Yes, correct. Not a material impact. And again, all that's been reflected in the guidance for FY 'twenty four through to FY 'twenty eight. Speaker 600:29:30Excellent. Very much appreciated. And then just on the O and M side, I just wanted to understand, as you think about that normalized, I think you said 3% to 3.5%, like how do you think about What is going on in the context of line locates within that composition through the future? I mean, obviously, that's been elevated here. You saw a little bit of reprieve. Speaker 600:29:49How do you think about that contributing to that normalized level versus this just being the new norm? Or is there an elevated Line locate just embedded in that 3 to 3.5 here. Speaker 200:30:01No, Julien. It's part of our ongoing strategy with whether Contractors or internal labor, we always look at what's going on in the market where we have contractors. We look at those on an annual basis to see if they need adjustment, Forecasted work for them. And any strategic opportunities we may have to in source opportunities there to offset some of the costs So if you're taking a longer term view, so all those options remain on the table as they have in the past, but we continue to look at these On an annual basis, so that's where we get the comfort in that range that we put out there right now. Speaker 600:30:39Okay, fair enough. But it's not like you have some meaningful further uptick in line locates or something like that, that we should be aware of here. Speaker 200:30:47Now again, with the growth that I talked about on the front end and the population and trending that we've seen out there, that's all been Baked into the plan out there, all the labor, anticipated labor, the current contracts we have in place, the labor rates that are out there right now, we have baked all that into Fine. Yes. Speaker 100:31:04And the 3.5% annual increase is off of FY 'twenty three level, so kind of starting at that elevated level already. Speaker 600:31:12Yes. Thanks for flagging that. That's a good point as well. All right, guys. I appreciate it. Speaker 600:31:15You guys take care. Speaker 100:31:17Thank you. Thank you. Operator00:31:23Your next question comes from the line of Ryan Levine of Citi. Your line is open. Speaker 700:31:28Good morning, everybody. I want to follow-up on the O and M getting a little more granular. In terms of the outlook, It's more on an annual basis, but can you speak to maybe the seasonality attributes of the O and M outlook? Should we look to 2020, the most recent Fiscal year as indicative of seasonality trends on a go forward basis, is there anything else to call out? Speaker 100:31:53Yes, there's that. On the O and M, there is some element of seasonality. It's difficult to predict because We are managing our O and M over the entire fiscal year. So for example, like last fiscal year where we had at the start of the year we had Freeze in place, kind of doing some in line inspection work at APT at the end of fiscal 2022. It made good business sense to go ahead and continue that work Into fiscal 'twenty three, although it had been planned originally to be in the back end of fiscal 'twenty three, rather than to demobilize the crews and remobilize 6 9 months later to meet a budget, we decided to go ahead and continue forward. Speaker 100:32:33So that was an operating decision that we made that we thought was in the best interest of the company and our customers. And so we make those decisions on a day in and day out basis. So it's difficult to predict if Certainly those larger expenses windows when they could occur within a quarter, but certainly we're managing through a full fiscal year result. Same thing on line locate. Kevin talked about some moderation right now that we're seeing, but 6 months from now, we can be in a different environment and line locating may pick up And we again try to manage that on the full fiscal year basis. Speaker 100:33:09But quarter by quarter, we're not as focused on I have to get this work done in a quarter unless there's a specific time requirement. But again, we are well ahead of our compliance deadlines, which gives us the opportunity to manage from a full fiscal year basis. Speaker 200:33:24Yes. Ryan, the other thing I'd say, Chris is spot on with that, is we do given the economic growth that we've seen across our service territory, There are times when jurisdictions that want to pull forward projects, whether they're water sewer related or there's fiber things going on, fiber projects out there that we'll have to Move and adjust to as well based upon their time line. It may not be seasonably ratable, but it may be in a quarter, it may show up. So again, we have to get the work done when we need to get the work done and work with our communities to make sure we're in concert with their projects as well. Speaker 700:34:01Great. Thanks for the answer there. And maybe just one other in terms of within Texas with the Railroad Commission, is there any discussion around Consolidating jurisdictions or regulatory contracts as Do you want to negotiate outcomes on a go forward basis? Speaker 100:34:19Yes. We're aware of some filings that are out there, just kind of looking at that opportunity. We're looking at those right now And seeing if that would make sense or make sense for us. But we're aware of what others might or are trying to do at this point in time. Speaker 700:34:34Thank you. Have a good day. Operator00:34:38There are no further questions at this time. I'll now turn the call over to Dan Mazir for some closing remarks. Speaker 100:34:44We appreciate your interest in Atmos Energy, and thank you again for joining us this morning. A recording of this call is available for replay on our WebRead morePowered by