Quipt Home Medical Q4 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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December 19, 2023

There are 9 speakers on the call.

Operator

Welcome to the Fiscal 4th Quarter and Unaudited Full Year 2023 Earnings Results Conference Call for QuipT Home Medical Corp. As a reminder, all participants are in listen only mode and the conference is being recorded. After the presentation, there will be an opportunity for analysts to ask questions. We remind you that the remarks today will include forward looking statements that are subject to important risks and uncertainties. For more information on these risks and uncertainties, please see the reader advisory at the bottom of the company's results news release.

Operator

The company's actual performance could differ materially from both these statements. At this point, I'd like to turn the call over to Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Greg Crawford. Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Thank you, operator, and thank you all for joining us today on the call. My name is Greg Crawford, and I'm the Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Quip Thome Medical. Joining me today is Hardik Mehta, our Chief Financial Officer. Equipt Home Medical is a diversified healthcare services company providing a full spectrum of home medical equipment and services to patients in the comfort of their own homes across the United States. At Quip, our model is centered around delivering clinical excellence and we drive this through our patient centric ecosystem, leveraging technology enabled equipment solutions in conjunction with our specialized clinical respiratory programs to effectively treat patients at home in a way that best suits their needs.

Speaker 1

Our core focus is on clinical respiratory care, serving patients with cardio and pulmonary conditions, fiscal year 2019 with over 80% of our product mix being considered respiratory in nature. The consistent financial and operating success of our business seen through fiscal 2023 is a result of our targeted go to market strategies and end to end respiratory solution we offer in the marketplace. Our team of over 1200 carries out our vision every day, working tirelessly to fulfill our company's central objective of providing exceptional patient care. Our ability to successfully implement our differentiated service model is driving Quip's record setting growth and emergence as a growing force in the industry. On this call, we will update you on our record breaking Q4 and full year fiscal 2023 performance and the strong demand trends we are continuing to see across all our product categories, the favorable regulatory landscape and our strategic insights on the continued success of our core business.

Speaker 1

At present, Quipt has expanded to 125 locations across 26 states with over 287,000 active patients, which has enabled us to strengthen our coast to coast reach. This continued scaling of our infrastructure throughout fiscal 2023 has allowed us to monitor our rapidly growing patient base, effectively decrease organizational redundancy and grow our margins. Through fiscal Q4 and in real time, we are experiencing consistent demand for all of our key product categories, continued success and the ongoing penetration of our primary sales touch points and are thrilled with the integration and performance of our largest acquisition fiscal 2023, we recorded record revenue of $221,700,000 or 58.5 percent year over year growth with strong margin acceleration to 22.8 percent, equating to adjusted EBITDA fiscal $50,600,000 or growth of 73.5%. For fiscal Q4 2023, We saw adjusted EBITDA margins continue to accelerate reaching 23.5%. This can be attributed to the operational scale we have achieved and our ability to leverage the platform we have built when adding revenue.

Speaker 1

Due to our focus on growing the continuum of care cross selling product categories, taking advantage of the benefits of normalized supply chain and operating in a favorable regulatory environment, We have the opportunity to increase our organic growth performance. We have been focusing our efforts on regions with a high COPD prevalence and expanding our key sales touch points in the continual markets to meet our organic growth objectives. We expect steady and continuous organic growth in fiscal 2024 with the objective of 8% to 10% on an annualized basis. Furthermore, our strategy of providing a complete range of end to end respiratory solutions with our diverse product mix is crucial to sustaining our success and a major component in the expansion of our core markets as we continue to carry out our long term strategic expansion strategy. By concentrating on our primary sales channels, which are medical facilities such as hospital systems, physicians offices, long term care facilities, home health agencies, rehab centers, we can increase overall volume growth, which is the main driver of organic growth.

Speaker 1

Moreover, I would like to provide insights into the demand trends within our sleep business, given the recent market speculation and reaction related to the adoption of VLP1 diabetes and weight loss medications. Our Sleep segment has experienced business as usual with absolutely no impact. Demand continues to exhibit strength in real time and our anticipation is that this robust demand will persist well into the foreseeable future. It is important to emphasize that CPAP and BiPAP therapy continue to be the established gold standard of care for individuals diagnosed with obstructive sleep apnea. Furthermore, leading manufacturers of sleep equipment are also reporting no findings of any decline related to GLP-one drugs.

Speaker 1

In addition to that, we hold the firm belief that there are over 20,000,000 Americans who haven't yet been diagnosed with OSA that haven't, representing a substantial untapped opportunity for future market growth. To this point, we believe it is possible that the total addressable market may grow as a result of more awareness and increased diagnosis of obstructive sleep apnea. Lastly, we continue to believe the key is to work with our sleep patients to ensure their compliance as it relates to the therapy, which is the heart of our patient centric ecosystem. Moving to the regulatory environment, We see continued stability and there have been no indications of the return of the competitive bidding. Historically, CMS has CMS has indicated how returning to the program would result in savings.

Speaker 1

Additionally, CMS has recently announced a headline CPI increase of 3% to the Medicare fee schedule beginning on January 1, 2024. Prior to 2022, our product categories were not subject to CPI adjustments while included in the competitive theme program. Over the past year, we have seen positive developments such as the easy move restrictions through the elimination of the long standing requirement for providers to obtain certificates of medical necessities for home oxygen, which reduces the administrative burden on healthcare providers. Moreover, we have witnessed the opening of access for patients who visit the emergency care setting and are identified as having either acute or chronic respiratory diseases and these now can be order for home oxygen equipment. Throughout fiscal 2023, we executed on the fundamental pillars growth strategy, building out our operational footprint into 6 new states, providing us additional attractive markets to implement our innovative go to market strategy.

Speaker 1

Moreover, in fiscal 2023, we continued making technological advancements such as in e prescribing and expanded our commercial insurance capabilities with the addition of Aetna to our national contract roster. Qix is in a strong position to withstand any potential economic downturns due to the nature of our business, providing necessary respiratory products and services to patients in the home setting throughout the United States. Our unwavering focus on building a robust operational foundation and infrastructure, combined with our proactive approach to both organic and inorganic growth, has uniquely positioned us to seize the multitude of opportunities expansion that lie ahead. With that commentary, I'd like to hand the call over to Hardik to discuss our fiscal Q4 and full year 2023 financial results.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Greg. On Monday evening, we announced our fiscal 4th quarter and full year 2023 financial results, representing the 3 months 12 months ended September 30, 2023. Please note that all financial values are in U. S. Dollars.

Speaker 2

Here are some key highlights. Through the company's continued use of technology and centralized intake processes, respiratory resupply setups and or deliveries increased to 395,618 for the year ended September 30, 2023 compared to 231,495 for the year ended September 30, 2022, an increase of 71%. The company's customer base increased 65% year over year to 285,000 8 19 unique patients served in fiscal year 2023 from 173,203 unique patients in fiscal year 2022. Compared to 516,328 unique setup deliveries in fiscal year 2022. The company completed 754,418 unique setups and deliveries fiscal year 2023, an increase of 46.1 percent.

Speaker 2

Revenue for fiscal year 2023 was $221,700,000 compared to $139,900,000 for fiscal year 2022, representing a 59% increase in revenue year over year. Recurring revenue as of fiscal year 2023 continues to be strong and exceeds 83 percent of total revenue. Adjusted EBITDA for fiscal year 2023 was $50,600,000 or 22.8 percent margin compared to adjusted EBITDA for fiscal year 2022 of $29,200,000 or 20.9 percent margin, representing a 73% increase year over year. Revenue for fiscal Q4 2023 was $62,500,000 compared to $40,100,000 for fiscal Q4 2022, revenue, representing a 56% increase in revenue year over year. Adjusted EBITDA for fiscal Q4 2023 was $14,700,000 at 23.5 percent margin compared to adjusted EBITDA for fiscal Q4 2022 of $8,400,000 at 21 percent margin, representing a 74% increase year over year.

Speaker 2

Cash flow from continuing operations was $40,500,000 for the 12 months ended September 30, 2023 compared to $26,300,000 for the 12 months ended September 30, 2022, a substantial increase of 54%. For fiscal year 2023, net debt expense improved to 4.5% compared to 8.7% for fiscal year 2022. This exemplifies the company's ability to scale and add more revenue through add on acquisitions without compromising billing and collection capabilities. Operating expenses remained flat as a result of the year ending September 30, 2023 was 46.6% compared to 46.6 percent in the corresponding period in 2022. The company reported 17,200,000 of cash on hand and total credit availability of $41,000,000 as of September 30, 2023, with $20,000,000 available towards the revolving credit facility $21,000,000 available pursuant to the delayed draw term loan facility.

Speaker 2

The company maintains a conservative balance sheet with net debt to adjusted EBITDA leverage of 1.4x. We are very proud to have produced another record breaking year in fiscal 2023. Real time momentum has persisted in fiscal Q1 and we are witnessing continued organic growth and margin expansion that we have been aiming for. For fiscal 2023, our revenue reached $221,700,000 and adjusted EBITDA margin has reached 22.8%, driven by our diversified respiratory product mix and services as well as focusing on operational leverage in the business and effective cost management. Annualizing our fiscal Q4, our run rate revenue now sits at $255,000,000 In Q4, our margin acceleration continued as a result of the scale we have generated with 23.5 percent adjusted EBITDA margin realized in the quarter.

Speaker 2

We expect strong organic growth in fiscal 2024 will persist as we continue to drive volume to our growing sales team and the cross selling of products and continued expansion of the continuum of care in adjacent markets. In real time, setups across our product mix are very strong, including our sleep segment, which continues to drive our resupply business as a sleep patient converts into our program and we continue to see strong organic growth. Fiscal 2020 4, we continue to see improving net cash flow from operations. On our last conference call, we Our guidance to 6% to 8% net cash from operations after CapEx and or lease payments and before any debt service and purchase price payable related payments. We are very confident in our ability to continue to grow our net cash flow inclusive of our CapEx needs and continue to see this as our base case on a go forward basis with a long term goal to further improve on this as we continue growing our business.

Speaker 2

The continued consistency of our revenue base is driven by our highly recurring revenue model, which accounts for more than 83% of our total revenue mix. Our resupply program is a major component of this recurring revenue base as we have significantly scaled the program, which now consists of 169,000 patients as of September 30, 2023. The resupply program represents an amazing growth area for us, extending a patient's lifecycle with us. Our healthy balance sheet with over $58,000,000 of liquidity gives us ample flexibility to execute our organic and inorganic plan for strategic expansion in an environment with higher interest rates. Our present net leverage is very modest at 1.4 times, giving us the ability to deploy a combination of debt and cash for the execution of our acquisition pipeline in accordance with our prudent acquisition approach.

Speaker 2

Fiscal Q4, we closed on a multi state acquisition target expanding our presence in Mississippi, Texas and Louisiana, adding $9,000,000 in revenue $2,000,000 in adjusted EBITDA. We were able to acquire this asset for a very favorable multiple of adjusted EBITDA on a post integration basis. In real time, the integration has gone very well, and we are working on organic expansion opportunities within those existing markets on the heel of this acquisition. The operating footprint aligns closely with regions that have a very high prevalence of COPD, a key target patient group. According to National Institutes of Health, about 1,500,000 people across the 3 states have COPD.

Speaker 2

We will remain dedicated to the structured acquisition approach and tried and true integration process we have developed over many years. We have a strong plan for sustained strong organic growth as well as deep acquisition pipeline. These are the things that have propelled our consistent growth, which is demonstrated annually and has strengthened the company's position in the marketplace. We have the tools needed to execute our expansion and acquisition strategy to drive value for our investors. Thank you.

Speaker 2

And with that update, I'll turn the call back to Greg.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Hardik. Providing excellent patient care with an emphasis on treatment of conditions like sleep apnea, COPD and other chronic respiratory disease is our top goal in each of our markets. We are constantly thinking of methods to expand the number of patients we serve and get access to desirable geographic areas, and we do this by breaking into new markets and forming partnerships with payers, patients and referral sources. Our competitive advantage stems from our increased market share, reach and robust clinical services, which enable us to leverage economies of scale. We believe that because we have successfully implemented the essential components of our growth strategy and we will maintain our strong momentum for the foreseeable future.

Speaker 1

Furthermore, we are certain that acquisitions that are effectively integrated contribute to the overall acceleration of our organic growth strategy. At this point, I would like to review with you the 3 components of our core growth strategy. The first is driving organic growth with the goal 4th quarter of the 8% to 10% annually. We see momentum in fiscal Q1 2024 and have continued growing our sales doctors' offices, long term care facilities and rehab centers. Furthermore, the aging population and significant increase in the number of people with multiple chronic diseases across the United States.

Speaker 1

Our very positive demographic trends for Quip when looking at the operating environment. Home medical equipment and services are becoming more necessary as the population ages, which provides a very sustainable long term growth opportunity. Additionally, A lot is being done to make sure that patients receive care at home whenever it is feasible. Secondly, as we continue to expand our business, We remain committed to leveraging technology in every way we can to consistently improve our operational performance. We focus on enhancing our workflow processes, which creates real value and removes friction points.

Speaker 1

As an example, the significant improvement in our bad debt expense and increased net cash flow is a result of improved processes across our billing and collections functions of the business. Furthermore, We are focused on long term growth of ePrescribe in our industry and have positioned ourselves well with our investment in this fiscal 2020 3. Electronic prescribing is essential to the industry as this technology can serve to boost productivity, cut down on errors, boost compliance and improved patient outcomes. As of now, less than 5% of our orders come from ePrescribe, and we anticipate this will grow inefficiencies and reducing paperwork. Another key example of the usage of technology is our automated resupply platform, fiscal year 2019, which not only helps us drive organic growth and higher margin recurring revenue, but also provides us with considerable revenue synergies when we make strategic acquisitions.

Speaker 1

The 3rd element of our growth strategy is expanding scale by making smart accretive acquisitions in conjunction with our tried and true integration approach, which has effectively integrated 19 acquisitions since 2018, representing over 100 $15,000,000 of annualized revenues. Our attention is on heavily weighted respiratory businesses, which can be successfully freighted into our scalable infrastructure. Our strategy objective is to increase our payer base and geographic reach into advantageous geographies with a high prevalence of COPD. Thanks to our healthy balance fee, we will be able to take advantage of opportunities as they become available to grow our revenue, EBITDA, patient base and overall geographic reach. Given the continued strong performance of our business in real time, we are actively engaging with investors from the United States and Canada to share our ongoing financial and operating achievements and discuss our long term growth objectives.

Speaker 1

In calendar 2023, we participated in 10 investor conferences and expect to be very active throughout 2024 meeting with investors. Moreover, we are thrilled to see our institutional shareholder base on both sides of the border continue to grow as we have moved through 2026. Fiscal 2020. As we look to fiscal 2024, we will continue to drive organic growth, strive to grow our adjusted EBITDA margin further, which accelerated in the most recent fiscal quarter to 23.5% and continue building our healthcare network across the country. With our flexible capital structure, we continue to look at different ways to create shareholder value as appropriate and believe that our operational excellence and 1.4x leverage balance sheet provide us with all the resources necessary to execute our expansion strategy.

Speaker 1

I would like to conclude that we have been seeing consistent demand across our product mix in real time during fiscal Q1 2024 and look forward to sharing fiscal Q1 results in February. Finally, I would like to take this chance to thank the whole Quip team for their tireless work and our stakeholders for their continued support.

Operator

To withdraw your question, please press star then 2. Our first question comes from Doug Cooper of Beacon Securities. Please go ahead.

Speaker 3

Hi, good morning guys and congratulations on a great quarter. I just want to focus in if I could on the resupply program. You said in the press release, it's 169,000 patients now in the program. Can you give us an idea What the average reorder rate is per patient for the year and what the average revenue per reorder is?

Speaker 1

Yes, sure. This is Greg, Doug. So we continue to see those go up kind of quarter over quarter in that. Right now, we're seeing patients order in that just about 3 times a year. We're starting to see the average revenue in that to be just over $200 in that, which is that's up about 6%, 7% in that from where it was this time last year or at the beginning of fiscal 2023 Q1.

Speaker 3

So is that just to be clear, is that $200 for the 3 times or $200 per reorder.

Speaker 1

No, that's yes, yes, that's $200 that's just over $200 per reorder.

Speaker 3

So the average person

Speaker 1

is So it would be just over $600 per patient.

Speaker 3

Okay. So $600 in just the math would be $600,000 times $169,000 that's $100,000,000 Is that where the run rate is on the REITs apart business?

Speaker 1

Yes, that's about right, yes.

Speaker 2

Okay.

Speaker 1

The other thing that we're kind of seeing in that side of the business too is the average items Per order that go in there, that's another metric that we kind of watch. We continue to see that go up too. So That slightly increased about 5% to 6% in that this year.

Speaker 3

This is predominantly hoses and masks, I'm guessing, right?

Speaker 1

Yes, yes. The cushions and the filters and tubes, water chambers, anything that needs replaced, which there's a lot of parts and pieces that need replaced in that on those devices.

Speaker 3

Okay. One of your peers said in their conference call that the reorder business gross margin was 42% in and around there. Is that similar for you guys?

Speaker 1

Yes. Yes, very similar in that for us.

Speaker 3

Okay. So because this is electronic, I guess, the reorder business, the infrastructure is in place. So I'm guessing that the EBITDA contribution from the reorder business is much greater than the rental business.

Speaker 1

Yes. And so the most rental items, yes, we do have some other higher margin in that rental items. But as far as an overall, if you kind of look that side of the business and that is pre automated. So Over 50% of the orders in that are what we refer to as no touch and that where the patient has kind of either ordered through the app, they ordered via email And it just kind of flows through right to the warehouse if it doesn't need like a pre authorization or a new updated prescription or anything. So as those are all kind of work proactively, so when the patient does request to get additional supplies, Okay.

Speaker 1

That's able to go through seamlessly.

Speaker 3

So just to finish off and close the loop then. So if Respiratory is 80% of your revenue. So you're running, say, 2 whatever that is, 2.75%. I think, Carter, you said, or you just retake the Q4 annualized. 80% of that.

Speaker 3

Right now, we're about

Speaker 1

$255,000,000 $255,000,000 right away with

Speaker 3

Yes, 255, 80 percent of that is $200,000,000 in the reorder business. Is that sort of 40% to 50% Of your respiratory business is the resupply business now? Is that in the ballpark?

Speaker 1

That sounds about right.

Speaker 2

Overall, that's a lot of noise.

Speaker 1

Yes.

Speaker 3

Sorry, Hardik, you said that's on ballpark?

Speaker 2

Yes, that's on our life.

Speaker 4

Yes. Okay.

Speaker 2

40% to 50% is a good ballpark range.

Speaker 3

Okay. Just on the M and A strategy, you guys are obviously active and you've been successfully integrated a bunch of companies. Your stock now trades about 4 times last quarter annualized EBITDA. So what are the prices you're seeing out there? And quite frankly, I'm assuming You guys are the 5th largest respiratory company in the U.

Speaker 3

S. There is bigger players than you who probably are looking at M and A as well. You must be on their radar. I'm assuming no.

Speaker 2

Well, as far as we can only speak about who we acquire, That's within our control. So I guess it definitely has changed some dynamics. I think The overall multiples for the targets we would typically go after have also seen some downward movements, Which at this point, if you structured it right, I think there's still opportunities out there that we can acquire financial strength of it sense of it, right? I mean, at the end of the day, we still have to I have 2 things that we have to keep in mind given the environments that we are in. One is, obviously, you have an interest rate component going on, which we Carefully monitor and evaluate debt against the cash flow of our businesses that we acquire.

Speaker 2

So we want to at least make sure we come out on top of that. And then and on the other side is what you just said, which is comparing our multiples to the target that we end up acquiring. That's a little bit of a lesser concern, quite frankly, because for most of the companies that we have acquired, if you just go back and look at our average multiple on a post close basis. I think that will still be less than kind of what our current trading multiples are. So That margin has compressed given our share price and where they stand today, but I think for the right set of acquisitions, The numbers can still make sense.

Speaker 3

Just my last question on the GLP-one drug. It's in thank you for your commentary, Specifically around Q1, what are you hearing from ResMed or those guys? I listed obviously ResMed's conference call in the last quarter, Same as you, they said they're seeing no impact in the business. That was a few months ago. But these drugs have been out for a couple of years now.

Speaker 3

When do you think the market will realize that it's not having an impact? I'm just wondering when that light bulb will go up.

Speaker 1

Yes, that's actually a really good question, Doug. I can just tell you in real time and by looking at our results here and that we've just seen no slowdown in our business And don't anticipate anything. I think it does make rational sense though to think that if more patients do get in the pipeline in the funnel of the healthcare system and they have sleep issues or anything in that and maybe don't qualify for GLP-1s and that It could drive volumes even further. It's estimated that there's over 20,000,000 Americans that haven't been diagnosed or treated yet for sleep apnea. So there's a pretty big TAM there for us to still and then have the availability in that service.

Speaker 3

Okay. That's it for me guys. Congratulations on the quarter and happy holidays.

Speaker 2

Thank you. Thanks.

Operator

Our next question comes from Ty Bollin of 8 Capital. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Hey, good morning guys. Thanks for the question. First one for me just on the margin outlook for next year. Are you kind of still seeing room for meaningful improvement there on an organic basis like you were able to achieve this year? And if that is the case, what are sort of the low hanging fruits there?

Speaker 5

Where are those opportunities?

Speaker 2

Thanks, Kai, for the question. I guess from a modeling perspective, if that's kind of the driving force behind the question, mean, we've always taken a conservative approach. And I would say, if I'm modeling internally, we certainly model for What we currently have, there has been some recent price increases that we have seen, which we have we were able to offset that using some other opportunities from a low hanging fruit perspective. So I would say from calendar 2024. What do you see for sorry, for fiscal 20 40, what do you see for fiscal 2023?

Speaker 2

I I think that is still within a good plus and minus 5% range in terms of margins. 5% range in terms of the stethoscope, Not from our actual absolute swings.

Speaker 5

Right, right, right. Okay, got it, got it. And then maybe sticking on that theme, some pretty strong sequential improvement here on the gross margin rate. It looks like about 150 bps quarter on quarter. Could you provide a little more context on how you were able to do that?

Speaker 5

And maybe if there's any trends to take note of there?

Speaker 2

I mean, nothing certainly in particular. I would say, I mean, this is A little bit of a year end audit situation. So there are sometimes adjustments that flow through in your Q4, which Could be spread across a little bit farther out. But I mean, we always say, let's not look at quarters, look at at least 2, 3 quarters in a row or in this case, you could look at kind of the whole fiscal year kind of to look into actions.

Speaker 5

Okay, great. And then last one for me, circling back to some of the earlier questions on the resupply patients. What's sort of the average duration of your relationship with a resupply patient? Is it whether you're measuring that in quarters 3 years. I think that would be helpful to round out that discussion.

Speaker 1

Yes, sure. This is Greg. In that, We estimate that to be about 4.5 years and at the 5 years that the average resupply patient is around.

Speaker 5

Okay, great. That's really helpful. Thanks for the questions, guys.

Speaker 2

Thank you. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from Richard Close of Canaccord Genuity. Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Yes. Thanks for the questions today.

Speaker 6

Hardik, maybe if you could just go over the organic growth numbers for the Q4 and for fiscal 2023 to begin with here.

Speaker 2

Sure. Thanks for that question, Richard. I mean, if we go back and look at our fiscal 'twenty three, our organic growth rate year over year came around 6.7% to 7% from an organic perspective. And it gets a little tricky because you have companies that are part of the year in both periods. So that is a little bit of a hard to science, but that's something that 6.7% to 7% is what we believe our organic growth loss for fiscal 2023.

Speaker 2

Now if we look at our organic growth and break that down a little bit further, The first half of fiscal twenty twenty three had a lower organic growth rate. We were still a little bit recovering from some of the product issues and stuff like that. And then the second half of the fiscal 'twenty three had a little bit had larger than the 7% corporate. So, If you break that down into 2 halves, then they both had a little bit different, but the average is around that. And then for the quarter, we are kind of strong at about 3%.

Speaker 4

Okay.

Speaker 6

And then with respect to bad debt, it ticked up a little, I guess sequentially, was there anything specific I mean, obviously, strong improvement year over year, but Maybe a little tick up from Q3 to Q4. Was there anything specific driving that or was it year end cleanup or Anything along those lines?

Speaker 2

I would say, I mean, it's a slow and steady process on our end. We continue to work kind of chip added along the way. There weren't certainly any dramatic or drastic changes. It's just When we acquired Greyhound, we also adopted some of the practices that came along with that. And I think what you are seeing is a kind of a weighted average number for branded and revenue of the combined entities.

Speaker 2

Okay. Having said that we sorry, we have always said That is an area that we believe that is a portion it is to continue to work upon.

Speaker 6

That's helpful. You beat our revenue estimate in the quarter. I guess consensus I had is $62,900,000 So maybe a little bit below that, was there anything specific maybe to the 4th quarter that didn't come through in the quarter that you can call out or anything to note there. I mean, Obviously, you're talking about the Q1. It sounds like things are going extremely well for the Q1, but just curious if anything slipped.

Speaker 2

Yes. Hey, I due respect to the consensus, but sometimes You know, we really can look at it. I mean, from that perspective, some people don't get the forecasting right, Quite frankly, but if you look at you got the comparison to the consensus here. I mean, on a gross basis, I mean, there's a pretty strong 3.7% organic growth, if you take out the month of pharmaceuticals that we I mean, it's still about 3.5%. So it's a pretty strong organic growth for the quarter.

Speaker 2

I understand from a consensus it's a little shy, but I mean we were kind of very pleased with the outcome. Okay.

Speaker 6

As we're thinking about fiscal 'twenty four, I know you guys don't give guidance. It sounds like you have acquisitions in the pipeline. I think consensus for fiscal $24,000,000 on revenues about $270,100,000 I think some people bake in acquisitions to their numbers. So I'm just curious maybe how you feel about that number for fiscal 2024, the consensus? And then how you're thinking about the acquisition pipeline in terms of timing?

Speaker 2

Sure. So I guess you're right. We certainly do not provide guidance I guess one way to think about it is kind of what we said is our run rate, which is quarter. Annualizing our last quarter, right? So that's a good starting point.

Speaker 2

I mean, if you throw an industry organic growth rate of somewhere between 5%, 6%, 7%, I think that's a good modeling exercise from my perspective. We certainly have tried and achieved to beat the market. If you look at last 5 years on an aggregate basis, we have It nets more organic growth than the market averages, but that's kind of what I would encourage analysts You're right. Some analysts have consider acquisitions in their pro form a, which is why kind of the reason why the whole consensus sometimes is it's not a way to look at Our company and our numbers. In terms of acquisition, the pipeline and how we think about it, I mean, My response to Doug earlier is kind of accurately reflects what we have in mind.

Speaker 2

I think other portion it is 100%, without a doubt, But we certainly want to be more disciplined. We've been adequately disciplined the whole time, but I think given situation in terms of higher interest rates and how the stocks perform and the arbitrage between our multiples versus what we buy. So, I think we will continue to responsibly deploy our capital and won't shy away from making the right acquisition.

Operator

Our next question comes from Michael Freeman of Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Hey, Greg. Hi, Hardik. Congratulations on a really strong finish to the year and thanks very much for taking our questions. It's about a year hence the Great Elm acquisition. I wonder if you could describe the status of that integration, any major efforts that are ongoing there.

Speaker 7

And being a year after this acquisition, I wonder if you could describe how this asset is positioned today within equipped ecosystem and how we might see it evolving into 2024.

Speaker 1

Yes. Thanks, Michael, for the question in that. It's been fully integrated in that obviously and that on to our platform and everything. We've been very, very pleased in that with the results and that it's not it's really outperformed and that's probably a little bit better than we were expected. We believe as we get into 2024 event, we've still got a lot of opportunity in that to cross sell other product lines through there such as home oxygen and ventilation that we've primarily been focused on the sleep side, the disposable We just got that integration finalized there and just about towards the end of summer.

Speaker 1

So we've been seeing Nice numbers come out on the resupply side. And then of course, in that we've really been focused on the sleep there. So we believe that's where we still have a lot of opportunity in that kind of going into July 24.

Speaker 2

Okay. All right. That's helpful. There's been a

Speaker 7

lot of discussion on this call on recurring revenue and the resupply programs that you guys drive.

Speaker 1

You're posting

Speaker 7

relatively high proportions of recurring revenue. I wonder what if you could describe what Quipa is doing on the ground to enroll patients in these resupply programs and other aspects of your recurring revenue profile.

Speaker 1

Yes, sure. So we continue to grow in that our new device setups. We've actually seen a really nice uptick in our rentals in our sleep devices. And then we're also in that working internally and that to Continue to get patients compliant in that. So we've seen our compliance rates and that tick up a couple of percentage points And that throughout calendar 2023.

Speaker 1

So we're going to continue to make investments and resources in that to get more patients, the more patients we get compliant, patients that go into the resupply program.

Speaker 7

Okay, terrific. If you could squeeze just one more in. One big shift that we've noticed from 2022 to 2023 is the shift from sort of positive And I wonder if you could provide sort of a rough outlook for 2024 in respect to earnings.

Speaker 2

Sure. Thanks for that question. If you compare year over year, you'll see some of the few contributors for the positive cash flow or not cash flow, my bad, positive EPS and net income were related to couple of one time items back in 2022. The biggest one was related to forgiveness of the government grants that companies like us received through COVID. So Things of that nature were definitely helpful in the positive EPS at the end of last year.

Speaker 2

In terms of 2023, the factors against us is certainly the higher interest rate It's depressing the margins. But as far as going into future, I would say it would be either neutral or slightly negative and most of that will be continued will be attributed towards higher depreciation, amortization and interest expenses that is expected at least in the next 2 years.

Speaker 7

Okay. Thank you very much. I'll pass it along.

Operator

Our next question comes from Bill Sutherland of Benchmark Company. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Thank you. Hey, guys. Greg, could you update us on the sales force, where it sits right now and what the growth was in it?

Speaker 1

Yes, sure. And that so we're up to in that in kind of real time in that, we're up to about 90, and that's just over 90. So we've seen really nice growth in the sales force. We've seen it both and really there's two sides of our business. When we look at sales, we have our general HME and our respiratory and then we also have our custom power mobility with the ATPs and we've seen nice recruitment on both sides of that.

Speaker 4

And so that's up I think the number you gave us last call was in the 70s, right?

Speaker 1

Yes, it was in the yes, around 72 or so. So we're sitting just over 90 right now in real time.

Speaker 4

Were the ads partly the result of the acquisition in September?

Speaker 1

There were a few in there, but like 2 or 3 that would have been considered sales.

Speaker 2

Okay.

Speaker 1

But that's good. Rest have all been new hires.

Speaker 4

Can you update us on the insurance contracting front, where you stand with some big negotiations and what you're expecting on rates

Speaker 1

Yes, sure. In that, we continue to work with some of the larger payers in the U. S, such as Anthem and Cigna and that are a couple in that that we're continuously evolving in that on contract negotiations with them. We did add Aetna earlier in the year. Then there's also in that some other programs out there in that, Another one Centene in that that has a lot of the state Medicaid Advantage Programs and also a lot of Medicare Advantage Programs.

Speaker 1

We're accepting not a lot around the country right now in that, but it's not on the national contract. So that's one that we're looking to put All the locations and companies in that under one contract. There's also been several regional contracts that have been signed And that throughout the course of the year and that too that we don't necessarily announce, they're not on a national level in that, but they are on a More of a regional type level or within a state.

Speaker 4

And these are and you're contracting with both sides of These companies, right, both the commercial and the Medicare and I guess Medicare Advantage?

Speaker 1

Yes. It would be for all their commercial lines, Medicare Advantage lines and also the Medicaid, state Medicaid Advantage lines.

Speaker 4

Are you seeing any deals where they want You'd be part of like a sub capitation, thinking Medicare Advantage, some of those developments on that side.

Speaker 1

Yes, we are. And that there are some things right now in that that are currently in the very, very, very early stages in that or more of seems like a 25 in that type thing or a few of the payers in that are starting to negotiate and figure out what as it comes to 25 and that and how they're going to do contracting. I think typically they're about a year out in that on the contracting piece and then they'll take and grab and sell this to the Medicare beneficiaries when the open enrollment comes in late calendar Q4 of 2024, 4th of 2025 service year.

Speaker 4

So you guys are doing the going through the exercise of figuring out what the risk levels you're willing to you have a very particular business, so this shouldn't be too hard for you, right?

Speaker 1

Yes, I mean, we haven't actually in that had capitated contracts or anything like that, but we do have a very clear handle on that on what it costs us to operate so with Census and that we can get a pretty good idea on that of what that would look like.

Operator

Our next question comes from Julian Hung of Stifel. Please go ahead.

Speaker 8

Hi, this is Julian subbing in for Justin today. My first question is on recent labor challenges and strikes within the healthcare industry. Have you seen any impact on QuipT in any way?

Speaker 1

Yes. So as far as the labor strikes or anything that hasn't affected Quip directly. Maybe in some markets, it's affected us indirectly and now with the slow in some referrals and that in our West Coast operations and that would have happened in that during calendar Q3, I'm sorry. But nothing that was like a direct impact from an employment standpoint or anything. We've been pretty steady in that with our recruitment efforts and our retention efforts in that throughout 2023.

Speaker 1

Excuse my voice, I'm about ready to lose it here with a cold and I'm carrying it. So if you can't get me through.

Speaker 8

And I had another question about the Medicare with deductibles and premiums going up starting next month at 6%, which is a bit higher than usual. Does that potentially impact how much revenue you can make?

Speaker 1

Well, it could potentially and that impact our bad debt expense, but not necessarily how much revenue, I guess, and that's because we're still going to have the top line revenue that needs going to be there for the patient. But we wouldn't anticipate anything with the needle or anything with that increase. Most of those Medicare patients and that would have some type of secondary anyway or otherwise, they'll likely set up payment plans like they have historically.

Speaker 8

And just one last question. On the potential merger talks between Humana and Cigna, even though it did fall through, How would it have impacted insurance rates? And you mentioned you were working with Cigna. Was there any impact on that?

Speaker 1

No impact in that from us obtaining our national insurance contract or anything in that. I mean, At least immediate in that in the ground or anything. We weren't getting any feedback on that. So, as far as predicting where rates would have gone and that's A really tough one to do. Most of these large payers in that, that if you're providing value add service, They are open to rate negotiations in order to help keep these patients in the home for home based care To keep them out of hospitals and facilities.

Speaker 8

Got it. Thank you so much for taking my questions.

Speaker 1

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from Richard Close of Canaccord Genuity. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Yes. Just a follow on to Bill's question on the sales force. Are there any targets associated with fiscal 2024 where you want to be exiting 2024 With a certain number of sales numbers, just curious there.

Speaker 1

Yes, not as of yet in that. I mean, we had areas that we wanted to continuum areas that we wanted to add the sales force to. I feel that we've achieved this, if not exceeded this year. But we haven't had a set number or anything yet in that for 24 to say that we want to cover. We do still have a lot of ground in that to cover in that with Continuum areas as it relates to operations west of the Mississippi.

Speaker 1

Most of the hiring that we've seen has been in the Southeast and the Midwest.

Speaker 6

Okay. And when you guys add because you added a chunk, I guess, since you last reported, I'm just curious how long does it take for a salesperson to ramp up and really become effective?

Speaker 1

Yes. Typically in that about 2 quarters, 6 months or so. And we can usually get a pretty good idea in that after 90 days In that whether or not they're going to be able to make their targets and things. But typically before they're really contributing, you're looking at 6 to 9 months, typically about 6 months.

Speaker 6

Okay. And then with respect to PAP supply. Can you talk a little bit about the supply chain dynamics, Maybe what you're seeing on the pricing front?

Speaker 2

Sorry, I'm not sure I this is Hardik. Sorry, not sure I follow the question. Can you rephrase that please?

Speaker 6

Yes, I'm just curious, obviously, supply of CPACs has improved over the course of fiscal 2023. I'm just curious whether there's anything to be aware of in terms of The current levels of access to units, CPAP units for you guys, Whether there has been any pricing changes in the market at all for you?

Speaker 2

Yes, sure. Yes. I mean, at this point, the product availability is not as much of an issue. I think we are able to get between various suppliers, the products that we are looking for. The ResMed did have a price change, I think, which they publicized And they increased some price, they decreased some surcharges and stuff like that.

Speaker 2

I think what you are seeing here in Q4, Q3, Q4, I think you are seeing more of a baseline or a run rate that we could use going forward. At this point, there has not been much of a visibility of certainly not product

Operator

conference call. This concludes the question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Greg Crawford for any closing remarks.

Speaker 1

Thank you, operator, and thank you all for your participation today. As always, you can find us on the web at www.quipthomemedical.com, where we'll be posting a transcript of this call and also updating our investor deck. On the site, you can also view some of our exciting products and developments discussed on the call. Thank you and happy holidays.

Operator

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