Liquidity Services Q4 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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December 7, 2023

There are 5 speakers on the call.

Operator

Hello, and welcome to Liquidity Services Inc. 4th Quarter of Fiscal Year 2023 Financial Results Conference Call. My name is Towanda, and I will be your operator for today's call. Please note that this conference call is being recorded. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode.

Operator

Later, we will conduct a question and answer session. On the call today are Bill Angrick, Liquidity Service Chairman, Chief Executive Officer and Jorge Celaya, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. They will be available for questions after their prepared remarks. The following discussions and responses to your questions reflect Liquidity Service Management viewed as of today, December 7, 2023, and will include forward looking statements. Actual results may differ materially.

Operator

Additional information about factors that could potentially impact the financial results is included in today's press release and in filings with the SEC, including the most recent annual report on Form 10 ks. As you listen to today's call, Please have the press release in front of you, which includes Liquidity Services' financial results as well as metrics and commentary on the quarter. During this call, Liquidity Service Management will discuss certain non GAAP financial measures in its press release and filings with the SEC, each of which is posted on its website. And you will find additional disclosures regarding these non GAAP measures, including the reconciliation of these measures with the comparable GAAP measures as available. Liquidity Service Management also use certain supplemental operating data as a measure of certain components of operating performance, which they also believe is useful for management and investors.

Operator

This supplemented operating data includes gross merchandise volume and should not be considered a substitute for or superior to GAAP results. At this time, I will turn the presentation over to Liquidity Services' Chairman and CEO, Bill Enger. You may begin.

Speaker 1

Good morning, and welcome to our Q4 earnings call. I'll review our Q4 performance and the progress of our business segments. And next, Jorge Celaya will provide more details on the quarter. We concluded our fiscal year 2023 with strong 4th quarter results, Setting a new annual record for GMV of $1,200,000,000 and delivered our highest full year non GAAP adjusted EBITDA performance since 2014 and doing so with an increasingly diversified business. We deliver these gains while also investing for the future in Sales, marketing and technology areas and absorbing increases in wages due to the inflationary environment.

Speaker 1

I'm pleased that we completed 250,000 transactions during the 4th quarter, which puts us on a run rate of 1,000,000 completed transactions per year. Continued tightening by the Fed during fiscal 'twenty three and persistent inflation Provided a difficult business climate during the past year. However, our exposure to multiple industry sectors and our flexible service model Help Liquidity Services deliver growth in this challenging environment. In particular, for the full year fiscal 'twenty three, Our CAG and Retail segments grew direct profit 11% and 7% year over year organically respectively. Our resilient business model continues to deliver strong free cash flow and we've continued to repurchase shares as we see opportunity in our long term prospects.

Speaker 1

Together, this allowed us to deliver financial results at the high end of our Q4 guidance range and deliver 37 year over year growth in our adjusted EPS. Let's take a closer look at our individual segments. During Q4, our retail And segment direct profit grew 4% year over year driven by our flexible offerings, our reliability and high level of service to customers. We have successfully elevated awareness of the Liquidity Services brand and mission among retail supply chain decision makers, policymakers and partners As the most trusted and reliable solution for the management and disposition of return consumer goods, we've continued our momentum by adding new programs with important clients in a number of consumer categories. This has fueled record growth In the supply side of our retail business, we are quickly moving to grow our buyer base to keep pace with this trend and the changing mix of goods reflecting changing consumer sentiment.

Speaker 1

In the short term, as reflected in our guidance, we will In the longer term, we have a once in a generation opportunity to consolidate and grow our position as the market leader. Accordingly, we continue to invest in our multi channel buyer base to drive higher recovery, including expanding our AllSurplus deals marketplace, which provides consumers direct access to retail products with compelling values. In support of this $100,000,000 GMV growth opportunity, We've expanded our All Surplus Deals consumer curbside pickup service to our Indianapolis facility during the quarter and now offer the service in 5 LSI distribution locations throughout the U. S. To provide outstanding reach for our retail industry partners and buying customers.

Speaker 1

During Q4, our GOV Deals segment GMV increased 14% year over year to $184,000,000 driven by continued We rolled out our new modernized GovDeals marketplace platform, which provides an enhanced buyer experience With improved search, navigation, bidding and a mobile responsive design, we executed this initiative with minimal disruption to our GovDeals customers and expect these enhancements to improve recovery rates realized by our sellers. We also continued to expand and improve our GovDeals fleet business with the addition of value added service To improve the quality of asset listings and management of client logistic needs, During Q4, our CAG segment direct profit grew 9% year over year as strong sales in our biopharma, energy and heavy equipment Categories offset a drop in GMV from the prior year's large international spot purchase transactions. We expect continued future growth in the CAG segment as we remain the most trusted market maker for industrial capital assets and have a Strong new business pipeline. In particular, our CAG heavy equipment fleet category Grew GMV more than 30% during Q4 and we continue to make progress growing signed Contracts, new sellers and net new revenue. Recent wins include several national accounts with strong upside potential, Positioning our commercial heavy equipment category to be a consistent high growth, high margin line of business.

Speaker 1

In support of this growing opportunity, we've added significant new talent to our heavy equipment business development team to expand awareness of our solution and continued scaling of the heavy equipment category. Finally, our Machinio segment Today, the Machinium marketplace has over 3,800,000 active used equipment listings, 1,400,000 monthly buyer visits Nearly 4,000 paying customers from over 100 countries, we continue to invest in the expansion This high margin recurring revenue subscription business through new service offerings, planned geographic expansion into Asia during fiscal 2024 and several product enhancements. In conclusion, We continue to make multi year investments to grow our market share, technology platform and brand awareness to drive long term growth for Liquidity Our results will benefit from our leverage of the fixed investments we have made in our expanded operational capacity, Our capital efficient business with strong operating cash flow, approximately $118,000,000 in cash and 0 financial debt, Together provides us ample financial flexibility to execute our plans. In closing, we thank all of our team members across Liquidity Services Thank you for the dedication to our mission to power the circular economy to benefit sellers, buyers and the planet. I'll now turn it over to Jorge for more details on the quarter.

Speaker 2

Good morning. For our 2023 fiscal year, we set a record annual GMV at $1,200,000,000 up 5% and grew revenue to $314,500,000 up 12%. Our GAAP net income of $21,000,000,000 was up 33% when excluding the impact of the non recurring prior year gain from the bid for assets earn out liability or down 48% overall due to that non recurring gain last year. Non GAAP adjusted EBITDA was up 7% to $45,900,000 the highest single year total in 9 years. As we enter our 2024 fiscal year, each of our segments looks to drive incremental market share and produce year over year growth.

Speaker 2

Some comments on our quarterly results. We completed the Q4 of fiscal year 2023 with $315,600,000 in GMV, up 11% from $283,300,000 in the same quarter last year. Our 4th Quarter revenue grew 6% to $80,000,000 consistent with our directional guidance last quarter from $75,200,000 in the same quarter last year. Our 4th quarter consolidated results included GAAP Earnings per share of $0.20 non GAAP adjusted EPS of $0.26 and non GAAP adjusted EBITDA of $12,800,000 We generated $14,700,000 in cash flows from operations during the quarter and ended the quarter with $118,200,000 We continue to have 0 debt and $25,000,000 of available borrowing capacity under our credit facility. Specifically comparing segment results from this fiscal Q4 to the same quarter last year, our GovDeals segment was up 14% on GMV, 13% on revenue and 13% on segment direct profit, driven by increased availability of vehicles, which more than offsets the broader market trend of reduced per unit vehicle prices.

Speaker 2

Our RSCG segment was up 18% on GMV, 15% on revenue and 4% on segment direct profit, which reflected an increase in product flows compared to last year from new and expanding client programs. While the overall product mix We received in the past quarter drove a lower year over year segment direct profit margin as a percentage of revenue. Our CAG segment was down 4% on GMV, 20% 27% on revenue, yet up 9% on segment direct profit As increases in its global biopharma, energy and heavy equipment categories mostly offset, As Bill mentioned, the prior year's large international spot purchase transactions. Machinio revenue was up 15% And its segment direct profit was also up 15%, reflecting continued increase in subscriptions. Our segment's direct profit improvements resulted in GAAP net income for the Q4 of $6,300,000 resulting in the diluted GAAP earnings per share of $0.20 and compared to $0.25 per share last year, where last year again included a $0.14 non recurring gain from the bid for assets earn out fair value adjustment.

Speaker 2

So non GAAP adjusted EPS for this 4th quarter was $0.26 up from $0.19 in the same quarter last year. Compared to last year, non GAAP adjusted EBITDA $12,800,000 this quarter was up from $12,300,000 in the same quarter last year, reflecting our growth, partially offset by year over year increases in sales and marketing and in technology and operation expenses to support our market share expansion, continued diversification and marketplace enhancements. Our profitability margins, especially adjusted EBITDA as a percent of direct profit, historically is higher during the second half of our fiscal years. Our fiscal year 2024 planning calls for year over year growth With our typical sequential consolidated improvements in top line and margins expected for the second half of twenty twenty four compared to the first half. The Q1 of fiscal year 2024 guidance reflects that our RSCG segment is currently receiving A higher volume of lower value products than last year with a soft broader consumer demand for retail goods.

Speaker 2

In addition, supply of some client specific higher value products for sale on a consignment basis is currently pacing slower than the same quarter last year. As a result, while our 1st fiscal quarter 2024 guidance It is expected to continue to be above last year for GMV. Our guidance ranges for GAAP EPS, non GAAP adjusted EPS and adjusted EBITDA for the Q1 are expected to be consistent year over year to down, mainly driven by the current mix of supply at our Retail segment. Also as a reminder, the prior year fiscal Q1 Results included a $900,000 non recurring benefit from a completed client program. We currently anticipate our Q1 consolidated revenue ratio as a percent of GMV declined slightly from the prior year, mainly due to mix, but continued to be in the mid-twenty percentage range.

Speaker 2

And our segments direct profits as a percentage of revenue consistent with the same quarter last year. We are continuing to invest in our sales and technology initiatives in support of our marketplace enhancements and long term growth. Management's guidance for the Q1 of fiscal year 2024 is as follows. We expect GMV to range from $295,000,000 to $325,000,000 GAAP net income is expected in the range of $1,500,000 to $4,000,000 with a corresponding GAAP diluted earnings per share ranging from $0.05 to $0.12 per share. We estimate non GAAP adjusted EBITDA to range from $7,000,000 to $10,000,000 Non GAAP Adjusted diluted earnings per share is estimated in the range of $0.12 to $0.19 per share.

Speaker 2

The GAAP and non GAAP EPS guidance assumes that we have 32,000,000 fully diluted weighted average shares outstanding for the Q1 of fiscal year 2024. Thank you. And we will now take your questions.

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer Our first question comes from the line of Yuri Prestopino with Barrington Research. Your line is open.

Speaker 3

Hi, good morning, Bill and Jorge. A number of questions here. First of all, I didn't see anything in the narrative in the release About share repurchases. Did you repurchase any shares this quarter?

Speaker 1

Hello. Let me just make sure you understand, we do have an open authorization For repurchases, Jorge can answer what was executed. I believe we tapered The purchases?

Speaker 2

Yes, Gary, there was none, very little this quarter.

Speaker 1

Okay. Why

Speaker 3

was that with the cash that you're building?

Speaker 1

Well, just to recall use of cash from the company's perspective, we're funding some growth And we also have some ideas around partnerships inorganic that can support our strategy. We've got an active acquisition pipeline. And of course, we do. If you look back beyond this quarter, Gary, you'll see we've spent Meaningful dollars on repurchase and that will continue to be one use of capital. So I wouldn't Overweight the last 3 months.

Speaker 3

Okay. And then, I also didn't see anything of consignment sales, I guess, as a percentage of GMV in the What was it in the quarter?

Speaker 1

I think we're about 87% of GMV is under the consignment model, up From roughly 82% in the prior year quarter.

Speaker 3

Okay, great. And then just to understand some things here with First of all, with what's going on in the RS, the retail segment, it looks like the direct profit Has moved down relative or is not growing to the extent that your top line is growing on revenues and GMV. Is that a function of some of the investments that you're making in oil surplus? Or is Is there something else going on there that's hitting the margin that would make the direct profit not grow as dramatically as the revenue in GMV?

Speaker 1

Yes. Well, if you look at the dynamic in retail, it's a 2 sided marketplace and We've done an outstanding job positioning Liquidity Services as the Sort of industry wide solution for managing and selling returns. So we're getting record inbound volume. Now That volume comes in, in a variety of ways. We have some consignment, sell in place volumes, which is low touch, low service and therefore lower fee.

Speaker 1

So we've as I just mentioned, we've been growing our consignment business overall. We've been growing it within retail. So We have some volume, Gary, that's coming in with lower take rates, which means lower direct profit As a percentage of GMV, but high gross margins on the revenue collected. So that's one dynamic. I think the other dynamic and you've probably heard from many industry participants about how the consumer Just tap the brakes a bit on purchasing higher ticket items.

Speaker 1

So the flow of goods coming into liquidity services reflects that There is a lower mix, lower value mix in the basket of returns that generally comes back to e commerce retailers and Omnichannel retailers, we still make good money on that. It's just not as attractive as where we were 1 year ago. And so we're working through that. But the high quality problem, if you will call it that, is that we've got a ton of interest in our service. We have a ton of interest People wanting and needing solutions and it wouldn't surprise us if there is a significant amount of product that doesn't sell through at the rate that retailers and e commerce players would like during this holiday season.

Speaker 1

So that sets up A strong sort of post holiday dynamic for us to help our clients move All ranges of goods in their inventory.

Speaker 3

Okay. Thank you. And then just the last question and I'll jump off. When you're talking about, well, your guidance for Q1, it looks like your Guidance for GMV is going to be higher than it was last year, yet the adjusted EBITDA On the low end is below last year and on the high end is just about at last year. And as I look at your income And you're talking about investments in growth and stuff like that.

Speaker 3

Is most of that Growth in expenses is going to be on the sales and marketing line? Because it looks like at least for the last two quarters, You were running at close to $27,000,000 aggregate. And I'm just trying to get an idea of where that higher level of We do not need to add as much to the sales and marketing line in terms of personnel.

Speaker 1

I think you're accurate in calling out an increase in capacity in sales And technology, I think marketing, we've been fairly disciplined. This is a company that's never been Sort of a hyper marketing driven company in terms of customer acquisition costs is very efficient, But we see great opportunity in heavy equipment and we've gone and gotten some industry talent that's available and really believes in this asset light Tech enabled marketplace. So we're growing that business really well and adding some capacity, Gary, That will provide leverage in the second half there. We spent a decent amount of money and time preparing gov deals to be upgraded after essentially 2 decades and have some now AI driven marketing capabilities within gov deals, which is a $700,000,000 GMV marketplace. If we can just bump recovery by 10%, very high payoff in the second half of the year.

Speaker 1

So we did step up a little bit there. We're talking about taking Machinio to Asia and that market, including China, It's bigger than the U. S. And Europe combined and that's a 90% gross margin business. So Fall through of incremental revenue there is like 55%, 60%.

Speaker 1

So we set up an office in China to expand Classified listings and we provide financing now on Machinio for buyers of these equipment. We also rolled out financing We're buyers of equipment on gov deals. So we've put some bets in some, I think very rational investments into the model in an inflationary environment, I would add, and we've digested that. But I think we'll get good leverage on those investments in the second half or in the near term as we move through executing this strategy And the growth that's out there.

Speaker 3

Are you using your balance sheet to finance or are you just facilitating a 3rd party transaction with the lender?

Speaker 1

The latter. We're not a direct lender nor do we want to be, but that referral To a broader ecosystem of financial institutions is very healthy for us and very complementary.

Speaker 3

Okay. Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of George Sutton with Craig Hallum, your line is open.

Speaker 4

Thank you. Bill, you made a very compelling comment at the beginning about Once in a generation chance to consolidate, I believe you mentioned the retail portion of the space. Can you just go into more Detail on what you were referring to there?

Speaker 1

Yes. I think a marketplace dynamic Benefits when supply and demand coalesce around that set of services and the buyer experience and we're seeing a lot of interest in our service. We're getting Additional awards and programs to use our services and we're doing a great job In a multi what we call multi channel engagement of the buyer community, so from truckloads to pallets to direct Consumer buyer demand coalescing onto our platform, I think that's very valuable for the industry. And There are at the same time, I think a lot of smaller players that are being are disintegrating essentially, Not being able to perform and scale and going out of business. So I think those dynamics Happened during a cycle like a Fed tightening cycle.

Speaker 1

We saw this back in 2,008. And really at the time we started our business in the dotcom mania and then crashed. So those that stand And deliver on the promises that can deliver scalable marketplace experiences, which does take long term investment. It's not inexpensive. We have A great marketplace that has been enhanced.

Speaker 1

We've got a national distribution center network, really international, Canada and U. S. It now has both B2B and direct to consumer online sales channels and pre and post sale Logistics support, that's very valuable to the industry. And I think the industry has been dealing with excess capacity for some period of time. You've had a lot of tightening of costs among retail players, reduction in warehouse footprint, reduction in corporate overhead.

Speaker 1

And so we step into that and provide a turnkey one stop solution to manage and sell both returns and excess inventory. So That's setting the stage for what we believe is an opportunity to consolidate our position. And that's the long term North Star of any marketplace is you want to be That indispensable, very well integrated solution with sellers and buyers and that's what we have in front of us.

Speaker 4

And it sounds, if I'm hearing you correctly, you're doing a fair bit of that just through natural competition. You also could end up becoming an acquirer of another entity in the space. Is that effectively what you're saying?

Speaker 1

Yes. I mean, I think that's We get to see just about everything that's available in this marketplace because people recognize our role. And I think we have a number of very good healthy partnerships, but I wouldn't rule out M and A over the course of time.

Speaker 4

Just another historical question, putting this current environment into context. You've seen Cyclical dynamics where retail buyers start to buy lower price items given the economic situation. Can you just give us any Sort of context or sense of how long you see this dynamic playing out?

Speaker 1

Well, it has been playing out over the last 12 months and I think people generally have done a better job managing their personal Balance sheet, but I think they're a little guarded. I think the lower end is probably disproportionately pulled back from Buying goods and either due to higher cost of living and or trying to build A buffer for concern that maybe there's a hard landing in 2024. So they're not As you know, saying what about buying appliances or redoing an entire living room or doing the entire Outdoor entertainment space, and I think we're seeing upper funnel activity in the results from companies like Lowe's And Home Depot and Target and Walmart and even Amazon commentary yesterday Suggest that there's been a shift down in sort of average basket of consumer Purchases, and that's fine. I mean, whatever it is, we'll be able to liquidate. It just means that The higher end of the market has softened and that may mean that some retailers are Probably long on some product that may not move as well during the holiday season.

Speaker 1

And on the other side of that, it's an opportunity for liquidity Services. But we're very focused on being the most efficient, cost efficient and scalable provider and we can sell Whatever comes through, but there's no doubt then a tempering in consumer behavior around the purchase of goods.

Speaker 4

Understand. Okay. Thank you for the answers, Prashanth.

Operator

Thank you. We have no further questions in the queue. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.

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