Tidewater Midstream and Infrastructure Q2 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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August 10, 2023

There are 10 speakers on the call.

Operator

Afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Tidewater Midstream and Infrastructure Limited Quarter 2 Financial Results Conference Call. At this time, all lines are in a listen only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question and answer session. Please press star 0 for the operator. This call is being recorded on Thursday, August 10, 2023.

Operator

Would now like to turn the conference over to Scott Baumann. Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Thank you, operator. Welcome everyone to Tidewater Midstream's 2nd quarter 2023 results conference call. I'm Scott Bowman, Tidewater's Director of Capital Markets. And joining me today are Rob Koklow, Tidewater's Interim CEO Brian Newmarsh, Tidewater's Chief Financial Officer and other members of Tidewater's management team. Before passing off the call to Rob to review some highlights, I want to remind everyone that Some of the comments made today may be forward looking in nature and are based on Tidewater's current expectations, estimates, judgments and projections.

Speaker 1

Forward looking statements we may express or imply today are subject to risks and uncertainties, which can cause actual results to differ from expectations. Further, some of the information provided refers to non GAAP measures. To know more about these forward looking statements and non GAAP measures, Please see the Tidewater Midstream Financial Reports, which are available at tidewatermidstream.com and on SEDAR Plus.

Speaker 2

And with that, I'll pass

Speaker 1

it off to Rob to discuss some highlights from the quarter.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Scott. Good morning, and thank you for joining our Tidewater's quarter was very eventful. We conducted our 1st major turnaround of the Prince George Refinery, which while on time and on budget took the facility offline for about 6 weeks. We also overcame the challenges presented by wildfires near the Brazeau River Complex, which resulted in that facility being down for over 3 weeks. Finally, Tidewater Renewables has completed the construction of the HDRD facility and began actively commissioning units to prepare for commercial operations.

Speaker 3

Fortunately, our Midstream business continued to deliver consistent results during the quarter. So starting with our Midstream business, Our Pipestone Natural Gas Plant maintained consistent run times and strong throughput throughout the quarter, which helped to offset the downtime at the BRC. We have previous as we've previously discussed, the facility was safely evacuated during May and remained offline until Utility companies were able to safely restore power to the facility. Operations resumed when the power was restored in June and we Our natural gas Storage asset at Dimmesdale achieved record results in the quarter. And given the term structure of the futures market, it's expected to continue to drive strong results Moving to the Downstream business, I'd like to thank our operations team at the Prince George Finally, for safely and successfully keeping the turnaround on time and on budget.

Speaker 3

The diligence of our operations team allowed us to maintain our Excellent safety record on major maintenance projects as no lost time man hours were reported in the project. Operations at PGR resumed in June, which was timed to capture the increase in demand for gasoline as a result of the onset of summer driving season. Within the Tidewater Renewables business, Several process units of the HGRD facility have been successfully commissioned with the final two to take place over the next 2 weeks. 1st diesel is expected before the end of the month. The HDRD economics continue to remain attractive and the facility will be Canada's 1st, Renewable Diesel Plant.

Speaker 3

Although we have experienced minor delays while commissioning during the quarter, the project remains on track with the previously communicated net forecast Capital cost of $174,000,000 Ramping up HDRD production volumes through the second half of the year, we should see 35 to $45,000,000 of adjusted EBITDA in the second half of twenty twenty three and we anticipate run rate annualized corporate EBITDA to range from $130,000,000 to $155,000,000 once the HCRD facility is fully operational. I'll now turn the call over to Tidewater Midstream's Chief Financial Officer, Brian Newmarsh, to walk through some of our financial results.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Rob. During the Q2 of 2023, our midstream business drove consolidated adjusted EBITDA of $44,000,000 which includes about $8,000,000 of contribution from the renewables business that we report on a consolidated basis given our 69% ownership stake. On a deconsolidated Tidewater Midstream basis, 2nd quarter adjusted EBITDA was approximately $36,000,000 As Rob mentioned, we undertook our once every 4 year 6 week turnaround at our Prince George refinery during the Q2. This project equates to an approximate $45,000,000 investment that will help enhance run time and throughput at the facility and is the primary contributing factor to this quarter's distributable cash flow number. With the scheduled turnaround at our refinery, our midstream business delivered strong results during the quarter with RAM, Pipestone and our natural gas storage business offsetting We saw a pickup in volatility in natural gas pricing during the quarter as these wildfires led to a loss of field receipts in the AECO market during the quarter that drove volatile cash prices.

Speaker 2

These price dynamics led to a very profitable quarter for natural gas storage assets due to the additional extrinsic value capture and the wide storage spreads realized. Within our Downstream business, we saw the seasonal bump to gasoline demand to finish the quarter with stronger gasoline prices helping offset the lower diesel cracks. Despite softening diesel prices, PGR 2 11 crack spreads averaged about CAD85 per barrel for the quarter. Our first half twenty twenty three capital investments were driven primarily by the turnaround and are weighted to the first half of the year. 2nd quarter maintenance capital included unbudgeted costs at the BRC incurred due to the wildfire impacts.

Speaker 2

Despite the additional maintenance costs during the quarter, We still see our deconsolidated maintenance capital budget remaining within our previously guided range of $55,000,000 to $65,000,000 although we now expect to be at the higher end of this range. With PGR resuming operations, summer driving Season in full swing and the imminent completion of the HDRD facility, we expect Tidewater's annual consolidated adjusted EBITDA to be within the range of $190,000,000 to $210,000,000 for 2023. We will refine this range once commercial production of renewable diesel commences At the Renewables HGRD facility, I will now pass things back to Rob for some closing remarks.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Brian. The second half of twenty twenty three will be transformative for Tidewater. HDRD will be generating Canada's 1st renewable diesel sales. Our PGR Refinery is at full production and capturing strong crack spreads, and our core midstream assets are expected to continue to deliver strong results. Finally, we are nearing the completion of our structured asset review and will be speaking to the results at that time.

Speaker 3

I'll now ask the operator to open the call up for questions.

Operator

Thank You will hear a 3 tone prompt acknowledging your request. Questions will be taken in the order received. And our first question comes from Rob Hope from Scotiabank. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Good morning, everyone. Good to see some strong results for the natural gas storage assets. When you take a look at these assets moving forward, how long do you think the strength could persist? Secondly, do you view them as kind of core and integrated to your base business, just given we have seen a number of Storage assets been transacted in the last couple of months.

Speaker 3

Sorry, I apologize. We had a little technical difficulty. Could you repeat the question?

Speaker 4

Yes, of course. Just On the natural gas storage assets, 1, are they do you view these as a core asset or could these be for sale just given the fact that we have seen a number of them transact? And 2, The strong margins that we saw in Q2, how much of that was just kind of the puts and takes during the quarter with the fires? And How much of that will you think will persist into the back half for the year and into 2024?

Speaker 3

Yes. So let me take the last half of that question first. Yes, we do like storage. And we think that the quarter was sort of just the Q1 of A number of strong ones. And that's just set up less by the extrinsic value, more the intrinsic value of spreads Going forward, so we're quite confident that we're going to see similar numbers on our In particular on Dimmesdale, it's more of a clean gas storage asset going forward.

Speaker 3

And not only that, but it does Look like the North American market is short on gas storage in general, just given the volume of production that's up there. It's doubled Doubled over the last 7 years in North America gas production and we've actually seen a decrease in the amount of gas storage. So I think this is a structural situation. In fact, we haven't even seen the very low gas prices this summer that we And others had anticipated from the NGTL maintenance cycles. So and that's Partly because they happened during the fires.

Speaker 3

The fires took things offline. So anyway, so yes, we like it. Could it be for sale? As we've said before, all of our assets, we want to understand where the market values our assets and Compare that relative to where we value them. And so the decisions we made on the asset Review as we when we announce them, but everything is in the process to be investigated.

Speaker 4

All right. Appreciate that. And then maybe diving into the 2023 guidance a little bit more, easy for us to sort of build CFS. But when you take a look at the remaining variables, is the key driver here just crack spreads at the refinery? Or are there any other issues we should be looking at?

Speaker 4

And I guess, is Q4 going to be more indicative of kind of the run rate for 2024?

Speaker 2

Yes. So obviously, cracks and the margins in the refining business are kind of the biggest factor here on how we look at the second half of the year here. Do I think there's any big changes coming? No, we're really happy with the way that our midstream, our GMP assets are performing. As we've mentioned before, if we take a look at kind of what gas storage did during the quarter, there was a chunk of extra value capture that I spoke about before, but plus We've locked in a decent chunk of storage spreads here into Q3.

Speaker 2

Those do moderate slightly into Q4, but I think kind of the run rate seems In line with how we should how we think about things?

Speaker 4

And then, sorry, will Q4 be a good run rate into 2024?

Speaker 2

So, yes, that's a fair assumption.

Speaker 5

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

And our next question comes from Andrew Kuske from Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Thanks. Good morning. Maybe just on the PGR turnaround. When you got under the hood of everything, were there any major surprises in the turnaround? And Do you expect to see any benefits from any kind of incremental capacity creep or just minor debottlenecking that You've benefited from that you're going to see in quarters ahead?

Speaker 3

Yes, I think it's pretty minor. We wouldn't anticipate seeing much of increase in capacity. There are a couple of debottlenecking items that were planned. They didn't come out as a result of the turnaround, but they're planned to with the turnaround, but they're quite small. There really wasn't any surprises, which frankly was a surprise.

Speaker 3

It was our 1st turnaround in 4 years since we've owned the refinery, and we were kind of anticipating to find Some issues and we really didn't. So we're very happy with the result. But yes, it went quite smoothly. It's a nice change for us.

Speaker 6

Well, that's always good news. Maybe just shifting gears a little bit and part of this Ties into Pipestone. And typically like the bookends of producers, those that really want to own processing on

Speaker 3

their own and those that only want to use processing, whether they're contracted

Speaker 6

or they're more open. Whether they're contracted or they're more open. Could you give us just some color on your conversations you're having around expansion and just In general, producer health and how that changes the conversations themselves?

Speaker 3

Yes. You're talking with regard to Phase 2 of Pipestone?

Speaker 4

Yes.

Speaker 5

Yes.

Speaker 3

I'm happy to get into that, but we're going to save those discussions For when we have discussions around our review process. So it all ties together in terms of Assets that we're looking at as well as where we're going to be spending our capital. So and To be clear, I expect to be able to do that sooner rather than later.

Speaker 6

Okay. I appreciate that. I respect that. If I could sneak in maybe one more just on Natural gas price volatility, what we're seeing in the power market in Alberta is obviously the renewable influence causing a lot more intradayvol In power markets and part of that would cascade into the gas price volatility. Are you seeing something similar and is that really affecting the value of storage

Speaker 3

Not really, to be honest. We are seeing and we experienced this Pretty much anybody who uses power in this province has been seeing that volatility is pretty crazy on the power side. We don't see it reflected as much on the natural gas side. It's fairly normal, Vol, there. We were anticipating to see some real volatility just as a result of Maintenance on the system maintenance in Alberta and we didn't we haven't really seen that, Which is good for producers, but and that was a result primarily the forest of the fires and a lot of the maintenance took place at the same time when That production was taken offline.

Speaker 3

So it smooths itself out. We see the value of storage Being structural, less of a the volatility helps. If you own storage, you love to see that volatility, obviously. But there's a structural shortage of storage out in the market and especially given the growth that we've seen in natural gas over the last 7 plus years. And that's what we where we see the real value because that's enduring value that you can capture over time and it's more predictable.

Speaker 3

And then you can trade around that to capture some of the What we'd consider extrinsic value from the volatility, any volatility that does show up, whether that's weather related or maintenance or anything else.

Speaker 6

Okay. That's very helpful. I appreciate the color.

Operator

Our next question comes from Robert Kwan from RBC Capital Markets, please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Hey, good morning. I know you don't want to get into the asset review, which Makes sense. I'm just wondering when you do make the announcement, do you intend that it's going to be here's the path that we're going to move forward or will it be something more definitive To the extent that you're going to divest, would there be an agreement with the counterparty?

Speaker 3

Yes, I'm not exactly sure what you're going to get, but I am pretty sure that I don't want to go down that road At all right now, Robert. We will have some answers to you. And we know that They are owed and I don't anticipate it being very long. So you won't have to wait long.

Speaker 5

Okay. That's fine. If I can just ask about the guidance on the $190,000,000 to $210,000,000 There is a statement That you're going to update based on the RD commissioning. Just to be clear though, does The $190,000,000 to $210,000,000 include the $15,000,000 to $25,000,000 that was in the renewables release? Or is it just a standalone?

Speaker 5

No. Okay. And then the last question just on the quarter and you talked about Expecting to get insurance proceeds for the BRC, did you book any provision To receive that in Q2? Or is this a completely impacted quarter and any proceeds will be booked when received?

Speaker 2

Yes. There was a minimal, accrual for insurance proceeds. We think there's more to come. Obviously, that's still A live discussion with the adjuster, but we took a conservative approach in my opinion as to what was recognized during the Q2.

Speaker 5

Okay. And so that was in accrued amount, that wasn't anything that was paid out early?

Speaker 1

Correct.

Speaker 5

Okay. That's great. Thank

Operator

Our next question comes from Robert Catellier from CIBC. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Yes. I'd like to go back to storage for a minute, please. I just wonder in light of your Volition is on that. Are you doing anything to position the company for more natural gas storage Exposure, in other words, are you investing more in your storage position in anticipation of good spreads?

Speaker 3

We don't have anything planned right now. As you I think know that Dimsdale is our biggest And to really make that effective, that asset needs to be needs to see some capital. It is it's a little bit it's scaled to be well, it's scaled to be closer to 100 Bcf And that's going to take some capital to get there. So we don't have any plans outside of that asset or Our other storage assets that we've got at the BRC.

Speaker 7

Okay. And then Just with respect to the wildfires, do those change how you view risk And manage risk either operationally or financially through leverage?

Speaker 3

That doesn't change that alone doesn't change anything with regard to the way we view it. We have been pretty clear, I think, that we would like to see our leverage lower than it is. And that's Frankly, it's more a function of having crack spread exposure at the refinery, which is has some volatility Associated with it probably more so than certainly than the processing side or some of our other midstream assets. So The fire was it was certainly important for us to go through that kind of an With regard to our emergency response plans and making sure we evacuated well and we could track all of our workers and all of their families as Staten Valley was also evacuated, was informative to see how close that fire could get to that facility. It was Quite remarkable, the wall of flames that was surrounding the facility as Our workers were evacuating and to see the absolutely limited amount of physical damage that happened Even though the fire was that close.

Speaker 3

So these are well engineered and well thought out Plants, not just us, but I've had this discussion with a number of other operators of gas plants in our province and in BC. And It is remarkable how well some of these assets can survive those types of events.

Speaker 7

Okay. Thanks, Rob.

Operator

And our next question comes from Curtis Jensen from Robotti and Please go ahead.

Speaker 8

Hey, good afternoon. Can you hear me okay?

Speaker 3

You bet.

Speaker 8

Anyway, good work getting through the GGR turnaround and managing through the fires. I just kind of a question about Pipestone. It seems to me there's probably definitely customer demand for an expansion, but I'm not Howard, still talking about it because it occurs to me that Tidewater really is I mean, you're in a capital Intensive business, that'd be obviously very capital intensive project and yet you have a massive cost of capital Disadvantaged. So I guess I'm missing something about how we're still talking about expanding it Without a much larger partner who's got a lower cost of capital or something. But I guess one of my questions would be, one of your customers Pipestone announced it's going to be acquired by Strathcona.

Speaker 8

And I'm wondering what implications does that have for your relationship. I mean, in the Context of an expansion there is, Dracona is somebody that might bring capital to a Phase 2?

Speaker 3

Yes. No, I understand where you're coming from and I certainly understand We are in a Well, a little bit, but it's a fair question. But my answer might not be totally satisfactory, but a lot of this will come to light through our asset Strategic Asset Review, which is will be announced shortly. But yes, Obviously, cost of capital is a very important thing when you're involved in large especially large capital projects. So It doesn't it isn't missed by us, your comments.

Speaker 3

And we think that The asset review will help to clear things up.

Speaker 2

All right. Thanks a lot.

Speaker 3

You got

Operator

it. There are no further questions at this time. I would like to hand it over to Scott Baumann.

Speaker 2

Actually, we just had one more question back into the queue here. So if you don't mind doing one last circle out for questions, that'd be great. Thank you.

Operator

We have Patrick Kenny with National Bank Financial. Please go ahead.

Speaker 9

Thank you. Yes, hey, guys. So it sounds like the asset review process is nearing completion here. And Of course, the HDRD will be fully up and running soon as well. So not to get into any details, but can you just remind us where you ultimately want to land, Both from a capital structure standpoint and as well from a corporate structure perspective.

Speaker 9

Just wondering what the bull's eye looks like, Say 6 to 12 months out with respect to the consolidated balance sheet and structure.

Speaker 1

Yes. Maybe I'll start off with kind

Speaker 2

of targets on capital structure levels of leverage. I think we're the view that less debt is better. That's obviously become more obvious as we've seen floating rates increase and our cost of capital increase right alongside with it. And I think just having lower debt levels, increase your degrees of freedom on strategy and how we kind of focus the business. I think as we spent kind of the last, call it, 6 months with Robin and his seat here, there's been an enhanced focus on Cash flow generation, thinking through our cost structure, thinking how we can generate cash from each of these assets.

Speaker 2

And I think as we've spoken to throughout this call here, As we work through our portfolio review, which assets make the most sense to me in this business and which have value, Higher value potentially in other hands here. And I think that's all kind of part and parcel of the strategy. But I think there's a core Possible business here that we're very focused on maximizing. And then as I said, we've got some work to do on the balance sheet That is a priority for us.

Speaker 3

And I think it ties into the asset review as you mentioned Patrick. We've got When we come out of this, if we've got a different mix of assets, we got to look at what type of cash flow comes out of those assets and The volatility around it, are they going to be are you left with mostly take or pay type of contracts, in which case your appetite for some leverage is Probably a little higher if you're more commodity exposed, then our appetite will certainly be lower for leverage.

Speaker 9

And I guess, the second part, would you guys be leaning towards simplifying The corporate structure, just given some investor feedback, market appetite Or would you be averse to, I guess, adding complexity to the structure?

Speaker 3

Well, in my mind, A lot of the complexity comes from consolidating our results with LCFS with the renewables business. We've always said that it is not our end goal to own 70% of the Renewables business Sort of as an ongoing in an ongoing way. And we also look at that asset as probably most investors look at it. We think we're at the finish line. We think it's tremendously undervalued certainly relative to anything else in that space.

Speaker 3

But until we get the thing up and running and cash flowing on a steady basis, we're probably going to see a discount. So I think that's probably the easiest way to reduce some of the complexity in Tidewater Midstream is Get to a more normal holding position and to sort of stop eventually stop consolidating those results. But I think that would go a long way to simplifying things. I'm not sure how long it takes.

Speaker 9

Yes. Got it. We'll let it run its course. Appreciate it. Thank you.

Speaker 9

Thanks.

Operator

There are no further questions at this time. I would like to hand it over to Scott Baumann. Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Thank you everyone for joining the call today. The team is available to address any outstanding items with our contact information at the bottom of this morning's press release. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. This concludes

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