NASDAQ:TSVT 2seventy bio Q2 2023 Earnings Report $4.98 -0.01 (-0.20%) Closing price 05/1/2025 04:00 PM EasternExtended Trading$4.99 +0.01 (+0.20%) As of 04:05 AM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings HistoryForecast 2seventy bio EPS ResultsActual EPS-$0.83Consensus EPS -$1.04Beat/MissBeat by +$0.21One Year Ago EPSN/A2seventy bio Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$36.05 millionExpected Revenue$31.81 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$4.24 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/A2seventy bio Announcement DetailsQuarterQ2 2023Date8/14/2023TimeN/AConference Call DateMonday, August 14, 2023Conference Call Time8:00AM ETUpcoming Earnings2seventy bio's Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Wednesday, May 14, 2025, with a conference call scheduled on Wednesday, May 7, 2025 at 8:00 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by 2seventy bio Q2 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrAugust 14, 2023 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 10 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the 270 Bio Second Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session. You will then hear an automated message advising your hand is phrased. Operator00:00:24Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Jen Snyder, Head of Corporate Affairs. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:34Thank you, operator. This morning, 270 Bio issued a press release providing a business update in addition to Q2 2023 financial results. The press release can be found in the Investors and Media section of the company's website at 270bio.com. Speaking on the call today are Nick Leshley, Chief Chip Baird, Chief Financial Officer and Steve Bernstein, Chief Medical Officer. Philip Gregory, Chief Scientific Officer, is also on the line for the Q and A section. Speaker 100:01:05As a reminder, today's discussion will include forward looking statements related to 270 Bio's current plans and expectations, which are subject to certain risks and uncertainties. These forward looking statements include statements regarding our strategic plans, Time lines and expectations and statements regarding our financial condition, expectations and other future financial results, among others. Actual results may differ materially due to various risks, uncertainties and other factors, including those described in the Risk Factors of our most recent Form 10 ks and other SEC filings. These forward looking statements represent our views as of this call and should not be relied upon as representing our views as of any subsequent date. You are cautioned not to place any undue reliance on these forward looking statements and Except as required by law, we undertake no obligation to update or revise any forward looking statements. Speaker 100:01:56At this time, I would like to turn the call over to Nick Leschley. Nick? Speaker 200:02:01Thanks, Jen. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us as we discuss our Q2 2023 results and business updates. We are now well into our 2nd full year as 270 Bio, executing on our mission of giving more time to people living with cancer through the transformative power of cell therapy. Since the creation of 2 70, our mission has always been dual prompt to deliver on the commercial potential of Abekma and to leverage our translational engine to develop an innovative cell therapy pipeline. And in the first half of twenty twenty three, We've made important progress against these goals. Speaker 200:02:34With Abekma, we continue to successfully deliver in the commercial setting to an extensive and growing number of people Living with multiple myeloma who are in need of better treatment options. We recently hosted a myeloma patient and his wife At our all hands meeting, reminding us the impact that Abeka was having on patients and families. It was humbling, inspiring and a deep reflection of our why. At the same time, we recognize we are in the midst of a rapidly evolving competitive environment, which is expected to impact the second half of Abeka performance. Chip will comment more fully on Abekma market dynamics, and I can say that we've spent a significant amount of time with the broader BMS team to hear not only their rationale for the long term belief in the potential of Bebekma, but also the month to month tactical in line commercial strategy. Speaker 200:03:23It is both grounded in a strong understanding of the landscape and very well supported by internal resources from the CEO to the sales rep, given their conviction to the cell therapy field. Overall, we're making significant short and long term investments with BMS to maximize the potential of this important therapy for patients. On the development side, we continue to apply our scientific knowledge and research engine to address some of the most pressing therapeutic challenges in oncology. We have a number of preclinical and clinical programs in liquid and solid tumors, And the common threat is that we're using layered cell therapy approaches to deliver potentially transformative impact for patients. One such program is DERIC-thirty three. Speaker 200:04:07Since the Grade 5 AE in June, the 270 and Seattle Children's team have conducted the root cause investigation and have developed potential amendments to the PLAT08 protocol. This past Friday, Seattle Children's received the official notice of the FDA clinical hold. This was expected, and we need to hear more from the FDA in terms of their specific concerns and how it will impact the potential path forward for the program. Steve will provide more details later in this call. Our pipeline programs are stacked with innovation and represent multiple opportunities for us to make unincremental steps forward for patients with cancer. Speaker 200:04:43That said, we will also be clear eyed and disciplined about these programs. And if a program is not clearing a very high bar, we will terminate and allocate capital elsewhere. I look forward to your questions, but for now, I'll hand it over to Chip to take more to talk more about Abekma and our Q2 results. Chip? Speaker 300:05:03Thanks, Nick, and thanks to everyone for joining the call. Abeka delivered solid results in the second Quarter with $115,100,000 of revenue in the United States. As a reminder, we are in a fifty-fifty COCO with BMS for the U. S. Quebecman Business and we will record collaboration arrangement revenue, which represents our 50% of the operating profit of the U. Speaker 300:05:25S. Business. For the quarter ending June 30, we recorded $24,500,000 of collaboration arrangement revenue related to the Abekma collaboration. This is better than we had expected and is driven by an improving gross margin, which in turn has been helped by a continuing improvement in manufacturing success rates, which remain north of 90%. So as expected, the Impacma collaboration is delivering cash flow to 2.70. Speaker 300:05:52As BMS reported in their 2Q earnings, they are forecasting lower revenues in the 3rd quarter with a return to growth in the 4th quarter. Based on this, we have updated our Abekma U. S. Revenue guidance for 2023 to the lower end of our original $470,000,000 to $570,000,000 range. We have 3 important points we want investors to hear on this updated forecast. Speaker 300:06:16First, The downward revision was not driven by the scheduled maintenance of the S-twelve manufacturing facility in June. This maintenance was planned and built into the original forecast and is a normal course for aseptic manufacturing processes. The shutdown was successful and we're back online. 2nd, the downturn is due to a competitive To a dynamic competitive landscape, in the 5th line plus setting, the original patient bolus has been largely addressed and we are now in an incidence based market. But With the December PDUFA date for a potential label expansion to 3rd line plus, we believe there is a significant larger opportunity for Beqma coming soon. Speaker 300:06:56We are investing with BMS in manufacturing capacity for 2024 and beyond to address this larger market. And 3rd, the BMS commercial team is increasing their sales and marketing efforts on Abeka. We spent the day with the BMS commercial leadership last week and they are increasing their commercial footprint and intensity across the multiple across the myeloma market. We continue to closely manage our expenses and together with the improving contribution from the Bechma collaboration, you can see the impact on our bottom line. For the Q2 of 2023, we recorded a net loss of $42,100,000 down significantly from a net loss of 77,400,000 Same period last year. Speaker 300:07:39We remain committed to maintaining our cash runway into at least 2026 and we continue to actively evaluate pipeline investments and our overall cost structure. With that, I'll hand it over to Steve to provide some additional detail on the update we Provided this morning regarding our AML program. Speaker 400:07:57Steve? Thanks, Chip. Good morning, everyone. In June, we announced the pause of our PLAT-eight study in AML In response to a fatal Grade 5 serious adverse event, this event occurred in the first patient treated at the second dose level In the Phase 1 trial, it cannot be stated enough that the safety of every patient who participates in our studies Or receives our therapies is of utmost priority to us and we continue to keep the patient's family and our thoughts. Since that time and in collaboration with Seattle Children's, both our partner and the regulatory study sponsor, We have been conducting a thorough investigation of the root cause of this event. Speaker 400:08:41This investigation has provided insights into the pathobiology of this toxicity, Leading to several study protocol changes, which the team believes may mitigate this toxicity and allow for the continuation of the PLAT-eight study. As a result, our collective team is actively amending the protocol. And as Nick shared, we received formal notice of FDA clinical hold on Friday afternoon. We will continue to collaborate with Seattle Children's and the FDA to determine appropriate next steps And a potential path forward here. I'm happy to address any questions in the Q and A portion, but for now, we'll pass it back to Nick. Speaker 200:09:22Thanks, Steve. We appreciate everyone's time and would close by saying that we remain committed to delivering for patients, to innovation and to driving value for shareholders. There is no hiding that this has been a hard and rapidly evolving period for the company and all stakeholders. We are focused on doing everything we can to adjust and improve our strategic focus and day to day execution to enable us to best deliver across all stakeholders, including hardworking, dedicated employees, committed shareholders and of course, patients and families in need. With that, operator, you may now open the line for questions. Operator00:09:57Thank you. Our first question comes from the line of Salveen Richter with Goldman Sachs. Your line is now open. Speaker 500:10:22Hello. Thank you for taking our question. This is Tami on for Salveen. Can we just get a little bit more detail The drivers behind the updated revenue guidance, as Lou said, you mentioned that it was not due to the prescheduled shutdown, but more so the patient demographics. Just any more color on that would be helpful. Speaker 500:10:39Thank you. Speaker 200:10:42Yes. This is Nick. I think Chip can jump into that. I think we've certainly been Watching all the various moving parts and one thing that you know when these maintenances come. We had some confusion in the marketplace, and I think people are looking to that and saying wasn't that a bit of Surprise or why was that a surprise? Speaker 200:10:58And we just want to make clear that it wasn't, right? I think what is evolving is the dynamics in the marketplace. And as Chip said and can elaborate a little bit more on along with BMS, we feel confident as that as the marketplace continues to evolve and as the expansion of the lines evolved and so will be the use of Abekma in combination or not in combination in partnership with these other treatments for myeloma. Chip, you want to provide a little bit more detail on what we know? Speaker 300:11:23No, that was well said. I think what we have seen is an Increase in the overall CAR T capacity, both our capacity, competitive capacity, as well as the utilization of T cell engagers and collectively, more patients in the FIFI plus setting getting innovative therapies, which is great for patients. Again, we view that as a moment in time. The field is going to shift yet again towards the end of this year with our PDUFA date and Again, with other regulatory approvals coming, stepping back, myeloma is a huge market. It's a huge opportunity. Speaker 300:12:03The history has never been And winner take all. And so I think these therapies will have important roles to play and we certainly see that for Opekma as well. Operator00:12:16Thank you. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Dana Graybosch with Leerink Partners. Your line is now open. Speaker 600:12:26Hi. Thanks for the question. We've been doing some KOL interviews recently, And there is some skepticism I'd say in the market that there's a lot of there'll be a lot of demand for CAR T In the earlier lines of myeloma, just given referral dynamics and maybe hesitancy for community docs to refer their patients earlier. And I wonder what work you've done with BMS that gives you confidence in that demand will come and how much More demand do you expect as you move into the earlier lines in Karma 3? Thank you. Speaker 200:13:05Yes, this is Nick. I'll take a quick stab. I think you can call 100 doctors, you'll probably get 100 different answers. Our view and our conviction and our Research in collaboration with BMS is pretty clear that we do think there's a very strong role for CAR T and a very strong role for that as it gets earlier because at the end of the day, Cancer is about efficacy. It is about having a dramatic impact. Speaker 200:13:26And the sooner you can have that, the more impactful it will be over the long term. So we think that certainly has to be proven out through the data, but it is starting to be proven out by the data by us as well as other CAR Ts. So in that sense, we have very strong conviction that 5th line, 4th line, 3rd line, 2nd line and certainly first line is going to be an area where we'll have a very strong contribution in place in the marketplace. Convenience is certainly a factor, especially if you have no alternatives. So for example, in the 5th line setting, if you can't get a hold of our CAR T, what are you going to do? Speaker 200:13:54If you don't have time, you're going to take whatever is available. And that is the dynamic that we've seen. We don't think that is a data driven dynamic. That is an availability driven dynamic. And so over time, that will, we believe, evolve, especially as We get into 3rd line and then as you go even further. Speaker 200:14:09And I think we've heard the same thing out of our J and J colleagues as well as anyone else who has a CAR T. So we're pretty confident, but again, that's something we'll have to play out quarter by quarter. Operator00:14:22Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Yaron Werber with TD Cowen. Your line is now open. Speaker 700:14:31Great. Thanks for taking that. I have a couple of questions. One, when you're thinking dynamically What's going on in the competitive market right now? Was the issue in the quarter sort of just prioritizing the wait list Or the list in general and clinics to make sure that they match up with supply because obviously there is obviously plenty of demand out there. Speaker 700:14:53And secondly, it sounds to me like your Q3 is going to be sort of a downtick over Q2 and then Q4 is going to grow over Q3. Can you just explain a little bit? I know July is obviously mostly offline because the way it worked out. But are you totally back to your Capacity back in May or are you able to increase it at this point by the end of the year? And how fast would that happen? Speaker 700:15:15Thank you. Speaker 200:15:16Chip, you want to just I know you had a few comments there. Speaker 300:15:19Yes. Thanks, Yaron. Yes, I think you have it right. The 3rd quarter is impacted by the June shutdown. So again, as we've talked about the June slots become July revenue. Speaker 300:15:30So there's roughly a month lag there. So July is a light month, which contributes To the expectation that the 3rd quarter is down, we do expect a return to growth as we move Month to month and quarter to quarter here, driven by a couple of different factors where with BMS Expanding the number of sites and the overall commercial footprint. We're expanding the number of Reps and people in the field detailing about talking to treaters not just at academic centers, but in Community setting and back to Dana's earlier question, I think that's an important dynamic here as well as that community referral Dynamic, that's important. 5th line will be important in the earlier lines as well. So again, I think it'll evolve over time, but we certainly, From the top on down, this is a priority for us. Speaker 300:16:29This is a priority for BMS as well. Speaker 200:16:31And Yaron, just to Highlight a few things that Chip just said, because I think this was and is a very active and has been a very active ongoing effort. I'm sure you've chatted With the equivalent folks over at BMS and we certainly have that there's a pretty dramatic full force investment going on across the capacity, which has been a lot of the focus, but also around sites, around sales, boots on the ground, etcetera, where now you're getting to a more traditional kind of share of voice situation where you want to make sure that people have access. But it has still been settling, right? And I view this, what happened in the last quarter or last 6 months is still very much a settling phenomenon. It is not a Kind of the situation is done and over. Speaker 200:17:11That is not the way we look at this, very much a growth and continued settlement. And I think there's going to be more than enough Growth opportunity for both abacamil and certainly the other assets in CAR T as well as the TCEs that are sitting out through other Drugs that are coming forth in myeloma. We've seen that again and again and again. We're just in that early ramp up phase and Abecma is one of them. And this quarter certainly, Sort of the situation we're in right now is very much evolving and one that I don't think anyone has a clear understanding on. Speaker 200:17:38We're getting one ourselves that is better and one that has led us to a lot of confidence and we are happy to see that BMS shares that confidence and certainly have no waiver in their stance. Operator00:17:52Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Kelsey Goodwin with Guggenheim. Your line is now open. Speaker 100:18:06Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. Maybe shifting gears off of Bebekma, maybe could you just provide some more color on the toxicity root cause analysis in the PLATO-eight study? And maybe could you provide some color on what protocol changes were made post analysis? Thank you. Speaker 200:18:25Kelsey, this is Nick. It's a great question. And I'll save my colleague, Steve here Steve from a painful sort of non answer. Right now, we're very much like you said, we have done the root cause analysis. We're confident that we have some proposals in collaboration with the FDA to get this study sort of back up and rolling. Speaker 200:18:40We can't get into the details of that right now because we want to make sure we honor the relationship not only with the study and the patients, but also with the FDA. So that's about as far as we can go at this point in time. So that was the wording that we chose there was pretty specific that it's ongoing. We have a plan. It's shared with TRI and the FDA engagement has begun. Speaker 200:18:59And so we're confident, but we're going to share details at a subsequent date. Operator00:19:06Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Vikram Parawat with Morgan Stanley. Your line is now open. Speaker 800:19:16Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking our questions. Just two quick ones from our side. First, on the increased Commercial presence you alluded to from BMS' side, could you talk a little bit more about kind of the size and scope of that increased Commercial muscle that BMS plans to put into APACMA, What is the scale of that and what are some of the key messages that you've discussed with BMS that they'll be putting forward to Help Beqma compete further. And then secondly, could you remind us what's implied from like a pipeline development standpoint in your cash run rate guidance for 2026? Speaker 200:19:59Thanks. Yes. Hi. It's Nick again. Thanks. Speaker 200:20:01Good question. So you're also going to be a little probably So I'm not totally satiated with my answer. We're not going to provide the details on that expansion there, but it is sizable and it is significant, both along the sites And the intention there that so that rollout getting to more and more centers in a rapid fashion, still the leading in the field on that, But also people and boots on the ground across their cell therapy capabilities because the innovation based cell on this is something that's really important and that is an exciting piece. So That I feel a lot of confidence on. And Chris, the incoming CEO there is very much convicted and behind cell therapy, always has been. Speaker 200:20:35He's been our lead contact throughout our entire relationship. So we're very pleased to see that he got the opportunity to be the incoming CEO. So in that sense, I'm confident around the commitment in that regard. As far as it relates to what the messages are, that will become clear in the field, but we certainly stand behind the real world evidence and how people are experiencing Beqma in a very consistent manner, Not only from a manufacturing point of view, but from a safety point of view and efficacy point of view. And so there's lots and ample data out there that will continue to evolve that leads us to believe that it's Sort of one of the drugs of choice for sure in the CAR T space. Speaker 200:21:09And as it expands, we feel that there is plenty of opportunity as it relates And those are the types of messages people are going out there with. And that is, as you know, is going to be a quarter by quarter now kind of battle, if you will, but one that BMS is certainly used to and their experience in myeloma is probably exceeds just about any other player in the space given their Celgene history. Speaker 300:21:32Do you want us to address the 2016? Speaker 900:21:34I'm sorry, what was the second question? Speaker 300:21:35I think the second question was just into 26 and what's assumed there and I think we assume a contribution from Abeka, which we've already seen and that contribution From a cash flow perspective continues and starts to ramp as we move into the 3rd line setting, but certainly between The overall utilization and the margin pickup that we've seen there, that's something that we feel good about and we'll Continue to closely monitor and drive towards from an investment perspective, We have a number of shots on goal in the clinical setting and then moving into the clinical setting. Our goal in the first 15 to 30 patients is To achieve human proof of concept in an un incremental way and either we see that or we move on. And as Nick said before, we allocate capital elsewhere. The other thing that we've been emphasizing and we showed this slide on our R and D Day, but just to say it again, a lot of that R and D is funded through collaborations, whether it's the solid tumor programs with Regeneron, whether it's our investment in APAC mode with BMS. We actually have a good amount of subsidy that comes in the collaborations that we've put in place to enable us to prosecute A cell therapy pipeline across a number of programs. Speaker 200:23:00Just one last thing I'll add to the question Real quick on the backside of Abekma, just to go back to it, because I find this entertaining is a wrong word, but I find it curious to see how everyone is Quick to draw conclusions on the performance of a drug and the future of a drug based on sort of information that is happening real time. And I think if CAR T has shown us anything over the last We don't know what the hell we're talking about half the time as it relates to what the opportunity is at that moment in time because the field is digesting this, the FDA is digesting this, manufacturing Specialists are digesting this. The sites are digesting all this and that we're still very much in that space. So from our point of view, this quarter and the bounciness of this quarter Has no reflection on the future of this opportunity as it relates to Beqma. The one thing we know about myeloma is it has unfortunately a tremendous number of patients that are in need. Speaker 200:23:48And that is going to continue to expand and Abeka was going to have a very strong role in that. We feel very strongly about that and it will play out quarter by quarter, but the long term aspects This medicine has never been in question nor is it in question for BMS. Speaker 800:24:03Got it. Thank you. Speaker 200:24:04You're welcome. Operator00:24:06Thank you. Our next question is a follow-up from the line of Dana Graybosch with Leerink Partners. Your line is now open. Speaker 600:24:14Hi. Thanks for a second question for me. I'm going to ask another Abekima one and sorry, Nick, ask you to look at what's happening in the moment. You have really different sites where there are big academic centers and both The competitive CAR T and Abekma are offered. And then BMS has really already expanded to sites where The other competitive parties don't have available slides. Speaker 600:24:42And I wonder what you're learning from in these two different types of sites Competitively, those that have more options and those that have fewer options, if you have any insights that you've gained, as you have more thoughts available on the demand and the competitiveness and any implications of that going forward? Speaker 200:25:04Yes, I do, frankly, and so does BMS. But frankly, it's not one that we're going to spend a lot of time talking about publicly, Because it is exactly that dynamic that gives us actually quite a bit of confidence, which is there are some centers certainly that have both available, there are one that have, In some cases, just Beqma available, and we're following that at a site by site level, and that's something that gives us insight into utilization. And in some cases, Generically speaking, right, people have a good experience with one drug or the other and you're going to move in one direction or the other for a period of time. But as people get and want to use Both medicines more frequently, we're not seeing that one light goes out and one light turns on and that's the end of the story. It's very much not the dynamic. Speaker 200:25:44And BMS' footprint has expanded, but has not expanded greatly in the last few months, and partly because We were going from a demand basis, right, where you're supply constrained to now going to where you actually want to drive more and more demand because supply is catching up. So I continue to have that dynamic. I think Abekma performs very well in the real world. We saw that in the data and also in the dialogue as it relates to how a provider can Have very clear expectations of the efficacy and safety profile and clarity on the probability of being able to manufacture. Lots of those things, I think, puts Aveka in a very good position. Speaker 200:26:18And the analytics that I won't go into detail on very much support that, and that's something that will play out. Does that mean we know everything? No, not at all. Does it mean we have confidence about the future And our place in that, I would go so far as to say yes on that, and I think BMS would agree on that. But as you and I both know, BMS certainly is not So we're prone to sharing a tremendous amount of detail at that level because it's sort of not necessarily relevant. Speaker 200:26:42It's also a competitive So we're going to continue to participate accordingly. Operator00:26:50Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of John Newman with Canaccord Genuity. Your line is now open. Speaker 900:26:59Hey, guys. Good morning and thank you for taking my question. So you've discussed in the past about the ongoing work To transition to suspension vector, I think you've actually investigated that in Karma 3. Curious, When that comes online, should we think about that suspension vector process as Giving you more capacity or pushing the Success rate even higher. You've always been in a very high success rate, but wondering if it's one of those or perhaps both of those? Speaker 900:27:38Thanks. Speaker 300:27:40Yes, John, I'm happy to take that one. Yes, the suspension moving towards Commercial approval for that early next year. What that does for us is a couple of things. It certainly will help On the gross margin, suspension is a more cost effective way of manufacturing vector, which is a key starting material for our manufacturing process. It also has greater capacity, and so that derisks the supply chain and our ability to continue to scale Drug product. Speaker 300:28:14Ultimately, drug product is what we're going to be focused on for several years to come in terms of increasing capacity there. Vector and suspension Vector is an important component of that. Okay, great. Thank you. Operator00:28:31Thank you. And I'm showing no further questions at this time. Speaker 100:28:35I'd like to turn Operator00:28:36the call back over to Nick Leschley for closing remarks. Speaker 200:28:40Yes. Thank you, everybody, and thank you for joining and thank you for the questions. 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There are 10 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the 270 Bio Second Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session. You will then hear an automated message advising your hand is phrased. Operator00:00:24Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Jen Snyder, Head of Corporate Affairs. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:34Thank you, operator. This morning, 270 Bio issued a press release providing a business update in addition to Q2 2023 financial results. The press release can be found in the Investors and Media section of the company's website at 270bio.com. Speaking on the call today are Nick Leshley, Chief Chip Baird, Chief Financial Officer and Steve Bernstein, Chief Medical Officer. Philip Gregory, Chief Scientific Officer, is also on the line for the Q and A section. Speaker 100:01:05As a reminder, today's discussion will include forward looking statements related to 270 Bio's current plans and expectations, which are subject to certain risks and uncertainties. These forward looking statements include statements regarding our strategic plans, Time lines and expectations and statements regarding our financial condition, expectations and other future financial results, among others. Actual results may differ materially due to various risks, uncertainties and other factors, including those described in the Risk Factors of our most recent Form 10 ks and other SEC filings. These forward looking statements represent our views as of this call and should not be relied upon as representing our views as of any subsequent date. You are cautioned not to place any undue reliance on these forward looking statements and Except as required by law, we undertake no obligation to update or revise any forward looking statements. Speaker 100:01:56At this time, I would like to turn the call over to Nick Leschley. Nick? Speaker 200:02:01Thanks, Jen. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us as we discuss our Q2 2023 results and business updates. We are now well into our 2nd full year as 270 Bio, executing on our mission of giving more time to people living with cancer through the transformative power of cell therapy. Since the creation of 2 70, our mission has always been dual prompt to deliver on the commercial potential of Abekma and to leverage our translational engine to develop an innovative cell therapy pipeline. And in the first half of twenty twenty three, We've made important progress against these goals. Speaker 200:02:34With Abekma, we continue to successfully deliver in the commercial setting to an extensive and growing number of people Living with multiple myeloma who are in need of better treatment options. We recently hosted a myeloma patient and his wife At our all hands meeting, reminding us the impact that Abeka was having on patients and families. It was humbling, inspiring and a deep reflection of our why. At the same time, we recognize we are in the midst of a rapidly evolving competitive environment, which is expected to impact the second half of Abeka performance. Chip will comment more fully on Abekma market dynamics, and I can say that we've spent a significant amount of time with the broader BMS team to hear not only their rationale for the long term belief in the potential of Bebekma, but also the month to month tactical in line commercial strategy. Speaker 200:03:23It is both grounded in a strong understanding of the landscape and very well supported by internal resources from the CEO to the sales rep, given their conviction to the cell therapy field. Overall, we're making significant short and long term investments with BMS to maximize the potential of this important therapy for patients. On the development side, we continue to apply our scientific knowledge and research engine to address some of the most pressing therapeutic challenges in oncology. We have a number of preclinical and clinical programs in liquid and solid tumors, And the common threat is that we're using layered cell therapy approaches to deliver potentially transformative impact for patients. One such program is DERIC-thirty three. Speaker 200:04:07Since the Grade 5 AE in June, the 270 and Seattle Children's team have conducted the root cause investigation and have developed potential amendments to the PLAT08 protocol. This past Friday, Seattle Children's received the official notice of the FDA clinical hold. This was expected, and we need to hear more from the FDA in terms of their specific concerns and how it will impact the potential path forward for the program. Steve will provide more details later in this call. Our pipeline programs are stacked with innovation and represent multiple opportunities for us to make unincremental steps forward for patients with cancer. Speaker 200:04:43That said, we will also be clear eyed and disciplined about these programs. And if a program is not clearing a very high bar, we will terminate and allocate capital elsewhere. I look forward to your questions, but for now, I'll hand it over to Chip to take more to talk more about Abekma and our Q2 results. Chip? Speaker 300:05:03Thanks, Nick, and thanks to everyone for joining the call. Abeka delivered solid results in the second Quarter with $115,100,000 of revenue in the United States. As a reminder, we are in a fifty-fifty COCO with BMS for the U. S. Quebecman Business and we will record collaboration arrangement revenue, which represents our 50% of the operating profit of the U. Speaker 300:05:25S. Business. For the quarter ending June 30, we recorded $24,500,000 of collaboration arrangement revenue related to the Abekma collaboration. This is better than we had expected and is driven by an improving gross margin, which in turn has been helped by a continuing improvement in manufacturing success rates, which remain north of 90%. So as expected, the Impacma collaboration is delivering cash flow to 2.70. Speaker 300:05:52As BMS reported in their 2Q earnings, they are forecasting lower revenues in the 3rd quarter with a return to growth in the 4th quarter. Based on this, we have updated our Abekma U. S. Revenue guidance for 2023 to the lower end of our original $470,000,000 to $570,000,000 range. We have 3 important points we want investors to hear on this updated forecast. Speaker 300:06:16First, The downward revision was not driven by the scheduled maintenance of the S-twelve manufacturing facility in June. This maintenance was planned and built into the original forecast and is a normal course for aseptic manufacturing processes. The shutdown was successful and we're back online. 2nd, the downturn is due to a competitive To a dynamic competitive landscape, in the 5th line plus setting, the original patient bolus has been largely addressed and we are now in an incidence based market. But With the December PDUFA date for a potential label expansion to 3rd line plus, we believe there is a significant larger opportunity for Beqma coming soon. Speaker 300:06:56We are investing with BMS in manufacturing capacity for 2024 and beyond to address this larger market. And 3rd, the BMS commercial team is increasing their sales and marketing efforts on Abeka. We spent the day with the BMS commercial leadership last week and they are increasing their commercial footprint and intensity across the multiple across the myeloma market. We continue to closely manage our expenses and together with the improving contribution from the Bechma collaboration, you can see the impact on our bottom line. For the Q2 of 2023, we recorded a net loss of $42,100,000 down significantly from a net loss of 77,400,000 Same period last year. Speaker 300:07:39We remain committed to maintaining our cash runway into at least 2026 and we continue to actively evaluate pipeline investments and our overall cost structure. With that, I'll hand it over to Steve to provide some additional detail on the update we Provided this morning regarding our AML program. Speaker 400:07:57Steve? Thanks, Chip. Good morning, everyone. In June, we announced the pause of our PLAT-eight study in AML In response to a fatal Grade 5 serious adverse event, this event occurred in the first patient treated at the second dose level In the Phase 1 trial, it cannot be stated enough that the safety of every patient who participates in our studies Or receives our therapies is of utmost priority to us and we continue to keep the patient's family and our thoughts. Since that time and in collaboration with Seattle Children's, both our partner and the regulatory study sponsor, We have been conducting a thorough investigation of the root cause of this event. Speaker 400:08:41This investigation has provided insights into the pathobiology of this toxicity, Leading to several study protocol changes, which the team believes may mitigate this toxicity and allow for the continuation of the PLAT-eight study. As a result, our collective team is actively amending the protocol. And as Nick shared, we received formal notice of FDA clinical hold on Friday afternoon. We will continue to collaborate with Seattle Children's and the FDA to determine appropriate next steps And a potential path forward here. I'm happy to address any questions in the Q and A portion, but for now, we'll pass it back to Nick. Speaker 200:09:22Thanks, Steve. We appreciate everyone's time and would close by saying that we remain committed to delivering for patients, to innovation and to driving value for shareholders. There is no hiding that this has been a hard and rapidly evolving period for the company and all stakeholders. We are focused on doing everything we can to adjust and improve our strategic focus and day to day execution to enable us to best deliver across all stakeholders, including hardworking, dedicated employees, committed shareholders and of course, patients and families in need. With that, operator, you may now open the line for questions. Operator00:09:57Thank you. Our first question comes from the line of Salveen Richter with Goldman Sachs. Your line is now open. Speaker 500:10:22Hello. Thank you for taking our question. This is Tami on for Salveen. Can we just get a little bit more detail The drivers behind the updated revenue guidance, as Lou said, you mentioned that it was not due to the prescheduled shutdown, but more so the patient demographics. Just any more color on that would be helpful. Speaker 500:10:39Thank you. Speaker 200:10:42Yes. This is Nick. I think Chip can jump into that. I think we've certainly been Watching all the various moving parts and one thing that you know when these maintenances come. We had some confusion in the marketplace, and I think people are looking to that and saying wasn't that a bit of Surprise or why was that a surprise? Speaker 200:10:58And we just want to make clear that it wasn't, right? I think what is evolving is the dynamics in the marketplace. And as Chip said and can elaborate a little bit more on along with BMS, we feel confident as that as the marketplace continues to evolve and as the expansion of the lines evolved and so will be the use of Abekma in combination or not in combination in partnership with these other treatments for myeloma. Chip, you want to provide a little bit more detail on what we know? Speaker 300:11:23No, that was well said. I think what we have seen is an Increase in the overall CAR T capacity, both our capacity, competitive capacity, as well as the utilization of T cell engagers and collectively, more patients in the FIFI plus setting getting innovative therapies, which is great for patients. Again, we view that as a moment in time. The field is going to shift yet again towards the end of this year with our PDUFA date and Again, with other regulatory approvals coming, stepping back, myeloma is a huge market. It's a huge opportunity. Speaker 300:12:03The history has never been And winner take all. And so I think these therapies will have important roles to play and we certainly see that for Opekma as well. Operator00:12:16Thank you. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Dana Graybosch with Leerink Partners. Your line is now open. Speaker 600:12:26Hi. Thanks for the question. We've been doing some KOL interviews recently, And there is some skepticism I'd say in the market that there's a lot of there'll be a lot of demand for CAR T In the earlier lines of myeloma, just given referral dynamics and maybe hesitancy for community docs to refer their patients earlier. And I wonder what work you've done with BMS that gives you confidence in that demand will come and how much More demand do you expect as you move into the earlier lines in Karma 3? Thank you. Speaker 200:13:05Yes, this is Nick. I'll take a quick stab. I think you can call 100 doctors, you'll probably get 100 different answers. Our view and our conviction and our Research in collaboration with BMS is pretty clear that we do think there's a very strong role for CAR T and a very strong role for that as it gets earlier because at the end of the day, Cancer is about efficacy. It is about having a dramatic impact. Speaker 200:13:26And the sooner you can have that, the more impactful it will be over the long term. So we think that certainly has to be proven out through the data, but it is starting to be proven out by the data by us as well as other CAR Ts. So in that sense, we have very strong conviction that 5th line, 4th line, 3rd line, 2nd line and certainly first line is going to be an area where we'll have a very strong contribution in place in the marketplace. Convenience is certainly a factor, especially if you have no alternatives. So for example, in the 5th line setting, if you can't get a hold of our CAR T, what are you going to do? Speaker 200:13:54If you don't have time, you're going to take whatever is available. And that is the dynamic that we've seen. We don't think that is a data driven dynamic. That is an availability driven dynamic. And so over time, that will, we believe, evolve, especially as We get into 3rd line and then as you go even further. Speaker 200:14:09And I think we've heard the same thing out of our J and J colleagues as well as anyone else who has a CAR T. So we're pretty confident, but again, that's something we'll have to play out quarter by quarter. Operator00:14:22Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Yaron Werber with TD Cowen. Your line is now open. Speaker 700:14:31Great. Thanks for taking that. I have a couple of questions. One, when you're thinking dynamically What's going on in the competitive market right now? Was the issue in the quarter sort of just prioritizing the wait list Or the list in general and clinics to make sure that they match up with supply because obviously there is obviously plenty of demand out there. Speaker 700:14:53And secondly, it sounds to me like your Q3 is going to be sort of a downtick over Q2 and then Q4 is going to grow over Q3. Can you just explain a little bit? I know July is obviously mostly offline because the way it worked out. But are you totally back to your Capacity back in May or are you able to increase it at this point by the end of the year? And how fast would that happen? Speaker 700:15:15Thank you. Speaker 200:15:16Chip, you want to just I know you had a few comments there. Speaker 300:15:19Yes. Thanks, Yaron. Yes, I think you have it right. The 3rd quarter is impacted by the June shutdown. So again, as we've talked about the June slots become July revenue. Speaker 300:15:30So there's roughly a month lag there. So July is a light month, which contributes To the expectation that the 3rd quarter is down, we do expect a return to growth as we move Month to month and quarter to quarter here, driven by a couple of different factors where with BMS Expanding the number of sites and the overall commercial footprint. We're expanding the number of Reps and people in the field detailing about talking to treaters not just at academic centers, but in Community setting and back to Dana's earlier question, I think that's an important dynamic here as well as that community referral Dynamic, that's important. 5th line will be important in the earlier lines as well. So again, I think it'll evolve over time, but we certainly, From the top on down, this is a priority for us. Speaker 300:16:29This is a priority for BMS as well. Speaker 200:16:31And Yaron, just to Highlight a few things that Chip just said, because I think this was and is a very active and has been a very active ongoing effort. I'm sure you've chatted With the equivalent folks over at BMS and we certainly have that there's a pretty dramatic full force investment going on across the capacity, which has been a lot of the focus, but also around sites, around sales, boots on the ground, etcetera, where now you're getting to a more traditional kind of share of voice situation where you want to make sure that people have access. But it has still been settling, right? And I view this, what happened in the last quarter or last 6 months is still very much a settling phenomenon. It is not a Kind of the situation is done and over. Speaker 200:17:11That is not the way we look at this, very much a growth and continued settlement. And I think there's going to be more than enough Growth opportunity for both abacamil and certainly the other assets in CAR T as well as the TCEs that are sitting out through other Drugs that are coming forth in myeloma. We've seen that again and again and again. We're just in that early ramp up phase and Abecma is one of them. And this quarter certainly, Sort of the situation we're in right now is very much evolving and one that I don't think anyone has a clear understanding on. Speaker 200:17:38We're getting one ourselves that is better and one that has led us to a lot of confidence and we are happy to see that BMS shares that confidence and certainly have no waiver in their stance. Operator00:17:52Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Kelsey Goodwin with Guggenheim. Your line is now open. Speaker 100:18:06Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. Maybe shifting gears off of Bebekma, maybe could you just provide some more color on the toxicity root cause analysis in the PLATO-eight study? And maybe could you provide some color on what protocol changes were made post analysis? Thank you. Speaker 200:18:25Kelsey, this is Nick. It's a great question. And I'll save my colleague, Steve here Steve from a painful sort of non answer. Right now, we're very much like you said, we have done the root cause analysis. We're confident that we have some proposals in collaboration with the FDA to get this study sort of back up and rolling. Speaker 200:18:40We can't get into the details of that right now because we want to make sure we honor the relationship not only with the study and the patients, but also with the FDA. So that's about as far as we can go at this point in time. So that was the wording that we chose there was pretty specific that it's ongoing. We have a plan. It's shared with TRI and the FDA engagement has begun. Speaker 200:18:59And so we're confident, but we're going to share details at a subsequent date. Operator00:19:06Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Vikram Parawat with Morgan Stanley. Your line is now open. Speaker 800:19:16Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking our questions. Just two quick ones from our side. First, on the increased Commercial presence you alluded to from BMS' side, could you talk a little bit more about kind of the size and scope of that increased Commercial muscle that BMS plans to put into APACMA, What is the scale of that and what are some of the key messages that you've discussed with BMS that they'll be putting forward to Help Beqma compete further. And then secondly, could you remind us what's implied from like a pipeline development standpoint in your cash run rate guidance for 2026? Speaker 200:19:59Thanks. Yes. Hi. It's Nick again. Thanks. Speaker 200:20:01Good question. So you're also going to be a little probably So I'm not totally satiated with my answer. We're not going to provide the details on that expansion there, but it is sizable and it is significant, both along the sites And the intention there that so that rollout getting to more and more centers in a rapid fashion, still the leading in the field on that, But also people and boots on the ground across their cell therapy capabilities because the innovation based cell on this is something that's really important and that is an exciting piece. So That I feel a lot of confidence on. And Chris, the incoming CEO there is very much convicted and behind cell therapy, always has been. Speaker 200:20:35He's been our lead contact throughout our entire relationship. So we're very pleased to see that he got the opportunity to be the incoming CEO. So in that sense, I'm confident around the commitment in that regard. As far as it relates to what the messages are, that will become clear in the field, but we certainly stand behind the real world evidence and how people are experiencing Beqma in a very consistent manner, Not only from a manufacturing point of view, but from a safety point of view and efficacy point of view. And so there's lots and ample data out there that will continue to evolve that leads us to believe that it's Sort of one of the drugs of choice for sure in the CAR T space. Speaker 200:21:09And as it expands, we feel that there is plenty of opportunity as it relates And those are the types of messages people are going out there with. And that is, as you know, is going to be a quarter by quarter now kind of battle, if you will, but one that BMS is certainly used to and their experience in myeloma is probably exceeds just about any other player in the space given their Celgene history. Speaker 300:21:32Do you want us to address the 2016? Speaker 900:21:34I'm sorry, what was the second question? Speaker 300:21:35I think the second question was just into 26 and what's assumed there and I think we assume a contribution from Abeka, which we've already seen and that contribution From a cash flow perspective continues and starts to ramp as we move into the 3rd line setting, but certainly between The overall utilization and the margin pickup that we've seen there, that's something that we feel good about and we'll Continue to closely monitor and drive towards from an investment perspective, We have a number of shots on goal in the clinical setting and then moving into the clinical setting. Our goal in the first 15 to 30 patients is To achieve human proof of concept in an un incremental way and either we see that or we move on. And as Nick said before, we allocate capital elsewhere. The other thing that we've been emphasizing and we showed this slide on our R and D Day, but just to say it again, a lot of that R and D is funded through collaborations, whether it's the solid tumor programs with Regeneron, whether it's our investment in APAC mode with BMS. We actually have a good amount of subsidy that comes in the collaborations that we've put in place to enable us to prosecute A cell therapy pipeline across a number of programs. Speaker 200:23:00Just one last thing I'll add to the question Real quick on the backside of Abekma, just to go back to it, because I find this entertaining is a wrong word, but I find it curious to see how everyone is Quick to draw conclusions on the performance of a drug and the future of a drug based on sort of information that is happening real time. And I think if CAR T has shown us anything over the last We don't know what the hell we're talking about half the time as it relates to what the opportunity is at that moment in time because the field is digesting this, the FDA is digesting this, manufacturing Specialists are digesting this. The sites are digesting all this and that we're still very much in that space. So from our point of view, this quarter and the bounciness of this quarter Has no reflection on the future of this opportunity as it relates to Beqma. The one thing we know about myeloma is it has unfortunately a tremendous number of patients that are in need. Speaker 200:23:48And that is going to continue to expand and Abeka was going to have a very strong role in that. We feel very strongly about that and it will play out quarter by quarter, but the long term aspects This medicine has never been in question nor is it in question for BMS. Speaker 800:24:03Got it. Thank you. Speaker 200:24:04You're welcome. Operator00:24:06Thank you. Our next question is a follow-up from the line of Dana Graybosch with Leerink Partners. Your line is now open. Speaker 600:24:14Hi. Thanks for a second question for me. I'm going to ask another Abekima one and sorry, Nick, ask you to look at what's happening in the moment. You have really different sites where there are big academic centers and both The competitive CAR T and Abekma are offered. And then BMS has really already expanded to sites where The other competitive parties don't have available slides. Speaker 600:24:42And I wonder what you're learning from in these two different types of sites Competitively, those that have more options and those that have fewer options, if you have any insights that you've gained, as you have more thoughts available on the demand and the competitiveness and any implications of that going forward? Speaker 200:25:04Yes, I do, frankly, and so does BMS. But frankly, it's not one that we're going to spend a lot of time talking about publicly, Because it is exactly that dynamic that gives us actually quite a bit of confidence, which is there are some centers certainly that have both available, there are one that have, In some cases, just Beqma available, and we're following that at a site by site level, and that's something that gives us insight into utilization. And in some cases, Generically speaking, right, people have a good experience with one drug or the other and you're going to move in one direction or the other for a period of time. But as people get and want to use Both medicines more frequently, we're not seeing that one light goes out and one light turns on and that's the end of the story. It's very much not the dynamic. Speaker 200:25:44And BMS' footprint has expanded, but has not expanded greatly in the last few months, and partly because We were going from a demand basis, right, where you're supply constrained to now going to where you actually want to drive more and more demand because supply is catching up. So I continue to have that dynamic. I think Abekma performs very well in the real world. We saw that in the data and also in the dialogue as it relates to how a provider can Have very clear expectations of the efficacy and safety profile and clarity on the probability of being able to manufacture. Lots of those things, I think, puts Aveka in a very good position. Speaker 200:26:18And the analytics that I won't go into detail on very much support that, and that's something that will play out. Does that mean we know everything? No, not at all. Does it mean we have confidence about the future And our place in that, I would go so far as to say yes on that, and I think BMS would agree on that. But as you and I both know, BMS certainly is not So we're prone to sharing a tremendous amount of detail at that level because it's sort of not necessarily relevant. Speaker 200:26:42It's also a competitive So we're going to continue to participate accordingly. Operator00:26:50Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of John Newman with Canaccord Genuity. Your line is now open. Speaker 900:26:59Hey, guys. Good morning and thank you for taking my question. So you've discussed in the past about the ongoing work To transition to suspension vector, I think you've actually investigated that in Karma 3. Curious, When that comes online, should we think about that suspension vector process as Giving you more capacity or pushing the Success rate even higher. You've always been in a very high success rate, but wondering if it's one of those or perhaps both of those? Speaker 900:27:38Thanks. Speaker 300:27:40Yes, John, I'm happy to take that one. Yes, the suspension moving towards Commercial approval for that early next year. What that does for us is a couple of things. It certainly will help On the gross margin, suspension is a more cost effective way of manufacturing vector, which is a key starting material for our manufacturing process. It also has greater capacity, and so that derisks the supply chain and our ability to continue to scale Drug product. Speaker 300:28:14Ultimately, drug product is what we're going to be focused on for several years to come in terms of increasing capacity there. Vector and suspension Vector is an important component of that. Okay, great. Thank you. Operator00:28:31Thank you. And I'm showing no further questions at this time. Speaker 100:28:35I'd like to turn Operator00:28:36the call back over to Nick Leschley for closing remarks. Speaker 200:28:40Yes. Thank you, everybody, and thank you for joining and thank you for the questions. And I would encourage, if you want to understand any of these in more detail to reach out to us, we're more than happy to talk About any elements of this, but for now, I'll just thank everyone for joining the call and hope everyone has a great day.Read morePowered by