OTCMKTS:NANX Nanophase Technologies Q2 2023 Earnings Report ProfileEarnings History Nanophase Technologies EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.01Consensus EPS N/ABeat/MissN/AOne Year Ago EPSN/ANanophase Technologies Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$11.87 millionExpected RevenueN/ABeat/MissN/AYoY Revenue GrowthN/ANanophase Technologies Announcement DetailsQuarterQ2 2023Date8/2/2023TimeN/AConference Call DateThursday, August 3, 2023Conference Call Time11:00AM ETConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Nanophase Technologies Q2 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrAugust 3, 2023 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 7 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Nanophase Second Quarter 2023 Financial Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. The words believes, expects, anticipates, Plans, forecasts and similar expressions are intended to identify forward looking statements. Operator00:00:40Statements contained in this news release that are not historical facts are forward looking statements that are made pursuant to the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These statements reflect the company's current beliefs and a number of important factors that could cause actual results for future periods to differ materially from those expressed in this news release. These important factors include, without limitation, a decision of the customer to cancel a purchase order or supply agreement, Demand for and acceptance of the company's personal care ingredients, advanced materials and formulated products, changes in development and distribution relationships the impact of competitive products and technologies possible disruption in commercial activities occasioned by public health issues, terrorist activity and armed conflict, and other risks indicated in the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Nanophase undertakes No obligation to update or revise these forward looking statements to reflect new events or uncertainties. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Jess Jankowski, President and CEO. Operator00:01:59Please go ahead. Speaker 100:02:01Thank you, Abigail. Good morning to all of those listening live and we also welcome those who choose to listen later online. Thanks for joining us today for our discussion of our Q2 2023 results, the state of the business and our outlook for the rest of the year. Kevin Curatin, our Chief Operating Officer is joining me on the call today. Our prepared comments will be brief and as always we're looking forward to some good Q and A Our Q2 was much stronger than the first, but still beneath our expectations when entering 2023. Speaker 100:02:34While there's definitely room for improvement, there's also definitely room for optimism as we assess our performance. On the last call, I mentioned that margin improvement and profitability are a major focus for the company. We discussed the plans we put into place And I told you we expected to see at least a 2% improvement to gross margin this year. With that commitment in mind, It was gratifying to see the 31% gross profit in Q2 and also to see the improvement compared to the prior year's Q2 and the 6 month numbers. These numbers are even better when taking into account that we had more than $400,000 in other revenue in Q2 of 2022, which added about 4% to the quarterly margin last year and 2% to the 6 month margins. Speaker 100:03:21If we pull this other revenue out, which practically represented all profit. Year over year, we saw a 4% improvement in gross profit for the first half even after a historically tough Q1 and an 11% improvement over the 2nd quarter. We continue to struggle with unsteady customer demand, which While continuing to grow pops up and down month to month. This makes it challenging to predict future margins over short windows like a 3 month quarter. We've also historically struggled with getting product out the door due to external supply chain issues and internal bottlenecks. Speaker 100:03:56The good news here is that most of our external supply chain issues have been resolved. We've also seen some nice productivity improvements coming online recently, which will help to reduce internal Kevin will touch on this during his comments as well. Moving down to P and L, It's also important to recognize that we're incurring expenses relative to litigation with BSF that we believe will not reflect ongoing operating Once we resolve the open issues. We spent roughly $1,000,000 here during the 6 months ending June 30, Distributed almost equally in the 2 quarters. That comes to a bit more than $0.02 per share and were these costs not incurred, We'd be looking at a profitable 6 months and about a 7% net income for Q2. Speaker 100:04:43We did incur these costs, however, And we will continue down the path we're on, ideally to a negotiated settlement, but not necessarily so. We think we have a good case in light of our view that Nanophase and Solesence promise a great deal of unrecognized value that we intend to realize. We need to protect that value and ideally help to expand both our active pharmaceutical ingredient or API business with BASF by adding new products, which remains an ongoing discussion. We will also enhance that value by driving more growth through the expansion of our Solesence business. Before we continue, let's walk through the numbers. Speaker 100:05:34Unless identified otherwise, All numbers will be stated in approximate terms. Our Q2 2023 revenue was 11,900,000 versus $11,200,000 for the same period last year, up 6%. At $11,900,000 Q2 of 2023 also represents The highest quarterly revenue we've ever recorded. A few short years ago, dollars 12,000,000 would have represented a pretty good year for your company. As an additional point of reference, Q2222023 revenue exceeded Q1 revenue by 25%. Speaker 100:06:09For the Q2 of 2023, we had a net income of $337,000 or $0.01 a share, which represented 2022 second quarter earnings of $50,000 coming in at well less than a $0.01 a share. Looking at the 6 month comparable numbers, We had $21,300,000 in revenue in the first half of twenty twenty three versus $19,400,000 in the same period in 2022. This represented a 10% improvement year over year. Also, when looking at the strides made since 2022, Note that we had a good deal of other revenue that came from sources not directly related to product revenue, which is our core business. Looking only in terms of product revenue growth, the 6% improvement in Q2 goes up to 10%. Speaker 100:06:57Taken the same way, The increase for the 6 month period goes from 10% to 12%. These are good indicators of where our business is headed and how we plan to strengthen it going forward. Our ongoing challenges are to balance production resources to demand and to continue to increase throughput to help reduce our reliance on overtime We've been having success in addressing these things. As we mentioned in the release, we recently commissioned our 1st fully automated filling process, enhancing throughput per labor hour by 100%. We continue to work to automate more of our processes where demand can support it, with expectations that this will bring benefits not only in enhancing our ability to deliver, But also to reduce costs. Speaker 100:07:45Keep in mind that even without the additional automation, we're still producing at record levels. As we get our new manufacturing organization humming, we'll continue to deliver on opportunities to produce more efficiently and profitably. We're in a good spot. As I mentioned last time, we're highly focused on increasing our margins knowing that this will yield significant increases, first in profitability, Then to our enterprise valuation. We're all investors in Nanophase and Solesence and we all stand to reap the rewards we're working toward together. Speaker 100:08:22Looking now at operating expenses, we saw R and D expense, which includes our engineering group, While down a little from Q1 was up 35% year over year. Roughly half of that increase was related to compensation expense. An important part of this came from the expansion of our engineering team to help speed the build out of capacity in our new Bolingbrook facility. These types of additions will pay for themselves. The rest of the R and D investment in people is to support the continued enhancement of our technology, Our intellectual property and ultimately our highly rated line of award winning innovative products. Speaker 100:09:02We operate in markets We've made remarkable progress since we started developing and marketing our formulated products and we're working to maintain the advantage we have. Moving to SG and A expenses, which were also down sequentially from Q1. We were up just over $1,000,000 year over year to about $1,000,000,000 in BSF litigation costs we incurred this year. Again, we don't expect these to be ongoing expenses. Also contributing to this variance were smaller increases in compensation expense, insurance costs and audit fees offset by reductions in bad debt expense and other items. Speaker 100:09:56We also saw interest expense more than tripled, a $280,000 increase from the same period in 2022 Due to the combination of expanded borrowing and a 5% increase in the prime lending rate over the past year or so. As you can see, We keep moving ourselves into a better position to win. We've maintained our focus on capturing the bottom line benefits The changes we've implemented beginning in 2022 were designed to deliver. The bottom line takeaway here is that we're focused, motivated and working hard to build the value of our company. Now I'd like to introduce Kevin Kuritan, Chief Operating Officer to discuss progress in some of these areas and their drivers in greater detail. Speaker 100:10:39Kevin? Speaker 200:10:40Thanks, Jess. As always, I would like to begin by thanking our team for their efforts in helping fulfill our mission and enhancing people's lives through the world's best skin care products as we also work tirelessly toward creating a more valuable company for our shareholders. I also would like to thank all of our investors While it was nice to return to profitability in Q2, It by no means represents a finish line of any sort. Instead, Q2 represents us starting to realize our goal in achieving both growth in revenue and increased profitability. A critical part in achieving our goal is having the right team in place. Speaker 200:11:22We now for the first time since we began the Solesence business Have a complete leadership team in place in commercial, operational and financial roles that will serve as the team to lead us into the future. We have already demonstrated that our business processes enable us to sustain our status as a world class innovator. Our latest CosmoProf Award really reinforces that. That is why we are increasingly focused on building the business processes That will enable us to become a best in class manufacturer and distributor. As our Board often asks, how will this translate? Speaker 200:12:03What are the KPIs that will demonstrate that we are on track with achieving our goal? Achieving operational translates into meaningful improvements in gross profit margins. Over the next two quarters that will primarily be through improvements in 2 key areas: Our labor efficiency and lowering materials costs. While 31% gross profit was certainly a significant improvement over the underperformance We had in the previous quarters. We believe there is much more improvement that can be realized in a relatively short period of time. Speaker 200:12:39I'll end my comments by saying that our confidence in the future again is largely because of our confidence in our team's ability to achieve our mission, continued To achieve our vision, but of course that must be proven during the rest of this year and the years to come. Jess? Speaker 100:13:03Thanks, Kevin. Why don't we dig right in? Although we know that most of our investors listen to the webcast to review the transcript after the live We'd like to invite those participating in today's call to ask any questions you may have or to share your comments. Afterward, I'll offer a few critical closing comments. Abigail, would you please begin the Q and A session? Operator00:13:26Thank you. At this time, we'll conduct the question and answer session. Speaker 300:14:24Pleased with this quarter and I can see from your tone that you guys are much happier having the call this quarter than The previous quarter. Speaker 100:14:33A little bit. Speaker 300:14:37And Kevin, I really liked your comments about much more improvement that can We realized in a short period of time. So given that you've made great strides in Gross margin improvement, though not where you were a couple of years ago, what do you think is end of year gross margin target or a steady state Gross margin target, anything you can share on that? Speaker 100:15:04Well, it's hard to say because I mean As big as we feel we are, we're a really small company. One of the things that was great about Q2 Yes. We had production that aligned very well. It was easier to schedule than it's been Historically, not lumpy as much. And that's where Q1 was financially Looked like a disaster, but as we talked back then, if you looked at January, then February, then March, March was a good month. Speaker 100:15:43It's just that we had such a dip in January that made it difficult. So when it comes to what the year is going to be, I think we need more steady state operation to lock that down regularly because Q4 generally just in this business Speaker 300:16:01You have a couple Speaker 100:16:02of things. The API business usually peaks somewhere between Q122 And a little bit in the beginning of Q3 and then the Solesence business, the Q4 volume that comes through there Generally, it's going to be setting up for launches in Q1 versus the volume that comes on For reorders and everything else when you're getting into later Q1, Q2, Q3. So that's where I generally expect Q4 to dip down. So do we hit 31 or more through the rest of the year for both quarters? I don't know. Speaker 100:16:44I think probably not When we get into Q4, but certainly it's possible. Q3 will depend on order volume and how variable it is. So far, It's been good. And July was actually an okay month given that you have the holidays in there and do our annual Maintenance and things like that usually around that week. So I think we get expected to continue to move up. Speaker 100:17:10It's going to be better than last year. I said by a few points when we talked last partly because we just had such a tough Q1 to make up from. I think steady state at some point for this company can easily be over 30% and probably Getting up toward the 40% range, that's something that we're very into doing, working on and it's also something that our Board of Directors is very demanding when it comes to. So that's in the works. Speaker 300:17:47Okay. Now that's I understand that. To be honest, I hadn't ever really completely understood your seasonality. And discussing your revenue growth, in your press release, you mentioned a $15,000,000 backlog going into Q3, which I take from your comments not to mean that, that will all be recognized in Q3. So Do you typically then take your backlog 1 quarter out, 2 quarters out, 3 quarters out? Speaker 100:18:23What we said there, it's partly you hate to make this into a word salad, which obviously for you we did. Leaving June 30, so when we put the press release together between what we've already shipped and what's on the books, We've got $15,000,000 in volume, of which 2 thirds of that $15,000,000 Reflects potential Q3 volume. So that's you're in the $10,000,000 plus range depending on what else we can pull in. We are expecting more orders coming in for Q4, which is the balance of most of those orders. And then we have a few orders so far in 2024, we expect more as we go. Speaker 100:19:06So we try to use that metric. I think when we get More steady state flow of business, it will be easier for us to say we have X amount planned for Q4 plus or minus Q3 plus or minus whatever 10% and then we have X amount for Q4, but we're not quite there yet. Speaker 200:19:27Hey, Tony, just to add one more comment to what Jess offered. It's a little different in 2023 than it has been in previous years Because there was a lot as I'm sure you know as well or better than us, there was a lot of Concern in consumer markets about what was going to happen to the economy. And so there was a lot of inventory control that was on the retail end that then fed back to our clients, which then ultimately fed to us in terms of just timing on orders. So they were holding back and still are anticipating or giving us indication that there is Demand out there and that they're going to place orders, but they're waiting to the very last moment these days versus Being a little bit more aggressive as they were in 2021 2022 and placing orders further ahead. So that's part of the reason why we're not giving as much guidance on the total volume because we don't have as much visibility as You might have had in last year just based upon the behavior of the client base. Speaker 200:20:43I will finish by saying that doesn't mean that there's a weakness In the business per se, it's just a change based upon the whole channel being more conservative on inventory. Speaker 300:20:58Okay. That's an excellent point, right. I mean, people were just scrambling to lock in. And just one final question, and I'll Obviously, give others a chance. I'm used to kind of being at the end, not in the beginning. Speaker 300:21:10Justin, your comment about BASF and not To use your words, word salad it, but are you implying that BAS, its claim or their litigation revolves at Leased in part around looking for more product support going forward and perhaps feeling neglected because the company has emphasized So lessons as opposed to something else or different. And obviously, you haven't reached a settlement, so there's nothing definitive. But that was Something I thought I heard you suggest in your comment. Speaker 100:21:45Well, I'm pretty limited on what we can share there. One thing is that we've the commercial relationship And the litigation have been for the most part in this past year now that this is almost going on have been segregated pretty well. And we are consistently in discussions about new products and getting new products out there. And I think They're smart people. They're good at what they do. Speaker 100:22:13And I think they're recognizing as we recognize, which is obvious in our other business That you just have to have more products out there. And so we are continuing to talk about that with respect to What motivated them relative to their claims? I think the I think they said it In their claims that I don't want to recount them because I won't do it accurately enough and I could hear my attorney holding not breathing right now, Holding his breath, but I think that the we had some stumbling on delivery, Which was difficult when everything went the supply chain issues were what they were and that was problematic for them. And we have They certainly are interested in new products, but that really isn't anything that is baked into our existing contract or part of The litigation and then with respect to Solesence, The two businesses are very separate from one another, although from the outside looking in, obviously, we had more to do, But we continued to service that business as best we could and we don't think that there was any kind of a diminution Of quality relative to our API business as we built the Solesence volume. Speaker 100:23:43All right. Speaker 300:23:44Well, thank you, gentlemen, and I'm glad to see that you guys have turned the corner and congratulations. Thank you. Speaker 100:23:53Thanks, Tony. Operator00:23:56One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Ron Richards, a Private Investor. Your line is open. Speaker 400:24:08Hi, Jess. You might already have answered my question. I had a little trouble logging in today through no fault of yours. My phone was on, not disturb. But that being the case, I missed out on your comments about the lawsuit. Speaker 400:24:32When is the next court proceeding and what would that court proceeding When is the next court date and what would be argued on at that date? Speaker 100:24:45Well, the next in my view, the most significant date coming up is the end of the year. We have Discovery extended till twelvethirty one. So we've got a fairly good deal of runway To work toward a negotiated settlement if that's what ends up happening. There are Now Speaker 400:25:07is that excuse me. There Speaker 100:25:12are go ahead. I'm sorry. Speaker 400:25:14Was the discovery extended because of the Amount required or because of the possibility for settlement? Speaker 100:25:24It was because we were And we have been working together and trying to resolve these issues out of court if possible, which Everybody prefers including the court. And so we're we extended that to allow time to do that while still Retain any time we needed should we end up having to litigate this thing all the way. Speaker 400:25:53Have the issues have any of the issues been narrowed down in any sort of motion procedure or settlement? Or is it just sort of the Original claim as it first stood? Speaker 100:26:08I don't I wouldn't say that any of them have been There's been no motions or procedures that have changed any of the original issues. I would say that we are working together And have identified the things that we need to address, the open issues and we've been doing that on a fairly regular basis. And I'm optimistic We can work something out that's good for both companies, which any settlement has to be, but I can't say really anything more than that. Speaker 400:26:38Okay. Well, it does look like you've transitioned through your expansion, and I'm glad to see that. I Sure hope this lawsuit can be settled in a way that keeps Solesence On the roll? Roll? Speaker 500:27:00Yes. Speaker 100:27:03We think we're in good shape there, but again can't speak for what happens when you litigate, which is partly one of the reasons It's good if you can to come up with an amicable settlement. Speaker 400:27:18Well, thank you. Operator00:27:29And wait for your name to be announced. Our next question comes from James Lieberman with Revere Securities. Your line is open. Speaker 500:27:39Great. Thank you very much. My handset broke. Can you hear me okay? Speaker 100:27:44Yes. Hi, Jim. Speaker 500:27:45Great. Hi, there. Great quarter, Very impressive considering also some of the dropping off, I'm guessing of some of the COVID testing Technology. Could you give a little bit more clarity and maybe you've already maybe you have, but I didn't quite Fully understand it, of how the integration into the new facility is going. I imagine it's still a process. Speaker 500:28:11Can you give a little bit more sense of where that how that process is playing out? Speaker 200:28:16Thanks, Jim. Appreciate it. So we'll talk about it in stages because it will happen in stages. Our expectation From the beginning is that it was a multi year process in large part to make sure that we didn't have any disruption And supply to our key clients or all of our clients really. So what we have completed so far is the move of Our warehousing and all of our filling and assembly or the back end of the Solesence manufacturing processes, Those had we had completed the move of those. Speaker 200:28:58The warehousing is early as last year this time. And then the filling operations was completed in the End of January, beginning of February of this year. Over the last few months, we spent most of the time really consolidating Some of the new equipment that have been installed and really quite honestly the changes to operating procedures That resulted from our expanded footprint and capability. So That was really what we spent most of the last few months dealing with including now having a new manufacturing leader On the team, who started at the beginning of June. So, still a work in progress Through the rest of the expansion, which we hope to happen over the next or consolidation depending upon your way of viewing it over the next couple of years Through putting the rest of our upstream operations into the same facility as our current packaging and warehousing. Speaker 500:30:16That's terrific. I really like the Methodical way in which you're going about this and these are terrific accomplishments and a lot of companies don't manage those transitions very well and The fact that you've got these parallel systems still in place while you're managing it is very commendable. Could you also comment on some of the brand names again that we might see Solesence, is it Clear is one and another one beginning with a B? Speaker 200:30:48Yes. Is that their identifiers? Speaker 600:30:51Yes. Those Speaker 200:30:53are Solesence related brand names, Jim. So Klear, KLEHIR, which Everybody always laughs about, but anyway that is the name of our how we brand our zinc But what you really I think you may be alluding to is last call we talked about some of our clients That allow us to reference them publicly. And so we have companies like Color Science who We've often talked to as being our launch partner, they were really our first client in the Solesence business. We have other companies like Kinlo, which is the Naomi Osaka brand. We have Credo Brands, which are products that Credo, the retailer, manages. Speaker 200:31:53We have a company called Relevant, who lets us talk about them and BloomFX, Who also lets us talk about them. And so these are all companies that are primarily distributed in places like Sephora or Ulta or other specialty beauty retailers And there are dozens of others that we're not able to reference publicly yet, but Our clients of ours. Speaker 500:32:30That's very helpful. That's probably the most complete list I've heard to date. Thank you very much. And how many this is just a random question, but how many SKUs do you think you're on right now? Speaker 200:32:44Yes, we had a fun discussion about that. I guess it depends actually talking to one of our Supplier Partners, by the way it's defined by the FDA, we have Almost 500 SKUs. And just to be clear, we could have the same Bulk in 3 different packages and that would be by the FDA's perspective 3 SKUs. So yes, we're closing in on about 500 SKUs that we have active currently. Speaker 500:33:24I just want to wrap up by saying what a terrific job, well done with all these challenges. Thank you very much again. Congratulations. Speaker 200:33:33Thanks, Jim. Operator00:33:35Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Stefano Bolas, An individual investor, Seth, your line is open. Speaker 600:33:52Hello. Hi, everyone. First of all, well done for the results in the quarter and the CosmoProf award. I've seen, I think, on it was on LinkedIn, a post related to CosmoProf in Italy In 2024, is it the first time you participate to that one in Italy? Speaker 200:34:17Yes, we have not yet participated in the Italian event, which I'm sure you may know is the Largest event, wasn't really appropriate for us up until now in large part because of Our footprint and our presence, but given the what's going to happen because we were a winner again of the Best Formulation, our company is actually being highlighted or one of the companies being highlighted at that event. So It's an ideal time to broaden our introduction, if you will, to Europe. So that's part of our plan. Speaker 600:35:03So that would also suggest you now feel you have a more robust infrastructure To cope with the increased volumes in case you are opening new markets? Speaker 200:35:16That's correct. We with the really expansion and we mentioned it in the press release, Some of the new automation that we've already installed, there's still some more that is on its way literally as we speak For installation, we have really for the first time addressed our downstream capacity issues As a company, we're really in a good position from that standpoint. There's still some opportunity for us to improve Upstream of that, but as it stands today, we're certainly able to meet the demand that we have And look for additional demand out there. Speaker 600:36:04Okay. And one more. So with regards to this equipment for completing the enhancement of end to end automation That you were expecting this quarter, is this so everything is on track with the Compared to the timeline indicated in the previous call? Speaker 200:36:27Yes. Actually, we are still on schedule with what we Had anticipated, we completed the validation on the biggest of the lines. We have the secondary packaging lines are still on the same schedule we had anticipated. And as a result, we anticipate the same improvements that we had talked about previously. Speaker 600:37:00Okay, then thanks a lot. And I'm happy that this quarter I managed to order Some of your products because I'm not based in U. S. And it was always difficult to find customers of yours that are selling outside of the U. S. Speaker 600:37:17But we've saw this, color science, I found the way to buy some product finally. Speaker 200:37:24Yes. I would say increasingly I would expect a big hint that there will be some more announcements related to that in Q1 of 2024, we do have some new clients that one of which is you're actually based in Europe that it'd be launching and they'll Happily talk about their relationship with Solesence. So after that launch, we'll certainly be excited to have you buy those products as well. Speaker 600:37:53Okay. Thanks a lot. Speaker 100:37:56Thank you. Thank you. Operator00:38:02I'm showing no further questions at this time. I would like to turn it back to Jeff Jankowski for closing remarks. Speaker 100:38:11Thank you, Abigail. As I mentioned, there are a few closing remarks that I want all of you to hear. Our story of the last few years has been one of unrealized value. We've become bigger and more stable. Now we have to become more profitable than ultimately More valuable. Speaker 100:38:28Demand for our products has not diminished. We're working hard to get them out of the door faster and to introduce more of them. Consumer preference continues to move Solesence forward and it has had the effect of insulating us from the ups and downs in our economy. We're growing and winning customers And winning new brand partners and consumers. Your patience is going to pay off as we transition to this next phase of development. Speaker 100:38:53Thank you again for joining us today. We'll look forward to our next call when we expect to discuss further improvements to the profitability and stability of our business. Have a great day everybody. Operator00:39:03Thank you for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect.Read morePowered by Key Takeaways Record Q2 revenue: $11.9 million, up 6 % year-over-year and 25 % quarter-over-quarter, marking the highest quarterly sales in company history. Margin gains: Gross profit margin rose to 31 % in Q2—a 4 % YoY improvement after adjusting for non-product revenue—surpassing the 2 % margin uplift target for 2023. Automation boost: The first fully automated filling line doubled throughput per labor hour, positioning the company to cut costs and improve efficiency further. Legal and financing costs: BASF litigation expenses of roughly $1 million in H1 and higher interest expenses from expanded borrowing weighed on net profitability. 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The company produces engineered nanomaterial products comprising antimony, bismuth, cerium, iron, and zinc oxide for use in a various markets, including surface finishing,exterior coatings, personal care, plastics, scratch resistant coatings, and textiles. It also provides skin care formulations with mineral-based UV protection under the under the Solésence brand; and advanced material products, including architectural coatings, industrial coatings, abrasion-resistant additives, plastics additives, medical diagnostics, and surface finishing technologies applications. 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There are 7 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Nanophase Second Quarter 2023 Financial Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. The words believes, expects, anticipates, Plans, forecasts and similar expressions are intended to identify forward looking statements. Operator00:00:40Statements contained in this news release that are not historical facts are forward looking statements that are made pursuant to the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These statements reflect the company's current beliefs and a number of important factors that could cause actual results for future periods to differ materially from those expressed in this news release. These important factors include, without limitation, a decision of the customer to cancel a purchase order or supply agreement, Demand for and acceptance of the company's personal care ingredients, advanced materials and formulated products, changes in development and distribution relationships the impact of competitive products and technologies possible disruption in commercial activities occasioned by public health issues, terrorist activity and armed conflict, and other risks indicated in the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Nanophase undertakes No obligation to update or revise these forward looking statements to reflect new events or uncertainties. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Jess Jankowski, President and CEO. Operator00:01:59Please go ahead. Speaker 100:02:01Thank you, Abigail. Good morning to all of those listening live and we also welcome those who choose to listen later online. Thanks for joining us today for our discussion of our Q2 2023 results, the state of the business and our outlook for the rest of the year. Kevin Curatin, our Chief Operating Officer is joining me on the call today. Our prepared comments will be brief and as always we're looking forward to some good Q and A Our Q2 was much stronger than the first, but still beneath our expectations when entering 2023. Speaker 100:02:34While there's definitely room for improvement, there's also definitely room for optimism as we assess our performance. On the last call, I mentioned that margin improvement and profitability are a major focus for the company. We discussed the plans we put into place And I told you we expected to see at least a 2% improvement to gross margin this year. With that commitment in mind, It was gratifying to see the 31% gross profit in Q2 and also to see the improvement compared to the prior year's Q2 and the 6 month numbers. These numbers are even better when taking into account that we had more than $400,000 in other revenue in Q2 of 2022, which added about 4% to the quarterly margin last year and 2% to the 6 month margins. Speaker 100:03:21If we pull this other revenue out, which practically represented all profit. Year over year, we saw a 4% improvement in gross profit for the first half even after a historically tough Q1 and an 11% improvement over the 2nd quarter. We continue to struggle with unsteady customer demand, which While continuing to grow pops up and down month to month. This makes it challenging to predict future margins over short windows like a 3 month quarter. We've also historically struggled with getting product out the door due to external supply chain issues and internal bottlenecks. Speaker 100:03:56The good news here is that most of our external supply chain issues have been resolved. We've also seen some nice productivity improvements coming online recently, which will help to reduce internal Kevin will touch on this during his comments as well. Moving down to P and L, It's also important to recognize that we're incurring expenses relative to litigation with BSF that we believe will not reflect ongoing operating Once we resolve the open issues. We spent roughly $1,000,000 here during the 6 months ending June 30, Distributed almost equally in the 2 quarters. That comes to a bit more than $0.02 per share and were these costs not incurred, We'd be looking at a profitable 6 months and about a 7% net income for Q2. Speaker 100:04:43We did incur these costs, however, And we will continue down the path we're on, ideally to a negotiated settlement, but not necessarily so. We think we have a good case in light of our view that Nanophase and Solesence promise a great deal of unrecognized value that we intend to realize. We need to protect that value and ideally help to expand both our active pharmaceutical ingredient or API business with BASF by adding new products, which remains an ongoing discussion. We will also enhance that value by driving more growth through the expansion of our Solesence business. Before we continue, let's walk through the numbers. Speaker 100:05:34Unless identified otherwise, All numbers will be stated in approximate terms. Our Q2 2023 revenue was 11,900,000 versus $11,200,000 for the same period last year, up 6%. At $11,900,000 Q2 of 2023 also represents The highest quarterly revenue we've ever recorded. A few short years ago, dollars 12,000,000 would have represented a pretty good year for your company. As an additional point of reference, Q2222023 revenue exceeded Q1 revenue by 25%. Speaker 100:06:09For the Q2 of 2023, we had a net income of $337,000 or $0.01 a share, which represented 2022 second quarter earnings of $50,000 coming in at well less than a $0.01 a share. Looking at the 6 month comparable numbers, We had $21,300,000 in revenue in the first half of twenty twenty three versus $19,400,000 in the same period in 2022. This represented a 10% improvement year over year. Also, when looking at the strides made since 2022, Note that we had a good deal of other revenue that came from sources not directly related to product revenue, which is our core business. Looking only in terms of product revenue growth, the 6% improvement in Q2 goes up to 10%. Speaker 100:06:57Taken the same way, The increase for the 6 month period goes from 10% to 12%. These are good indicators of where our business is headed and how we plan to strengthen it going forward. Our ongoing challenges are to balance production resources to demand and to continue to increase throughput to help reduce our reliance on overtime We've been having success in addressing these things. As we mentioned in the release, we recently commissioned our 1st fully automated filling process, enhancing throughput per labor hour by 100%. We continue to work to automate more of our processes where demand can support it, with expectations that this will bring benefits not only in enhancing our ability to deliver, But also to reduce costs. Speaker 100:07:45Keep in mind that even without the additional automation, we're still producing at record levels. As we get our new manufacturing organization humming, we'll continue to deliver on opportunities to produce more efficiently and profitably. We're in a good spot. As I mentioned last time, we're highly focused on increasing our margins knowing that this will yield significant increases, first in profitability, Then to our enterprise valuation. We're all investors in Nanophase and Solesence and we all stand to reap the rewards we're working toward together. Speaker 100:08:22Looking now at operating expenses, we saw R and D expense, which includes our engineering group, While down a little from Q1 was up 35% year over year. Roughly half of that increase was related to compensation expense. An important part of this came from the expansion of our engineering team to help speed the build out of capacity in our new Bolingbrook facility. These types of additions will pay for themselves. The rest of the R and D investment in people is to support the continued enhancement of our technology, Our intellectual property and ultimately our highly rated line of award winning innovative products. Speaker 100:09:02We operate in markets We've made remarkable progress since we started developing and marketing our formulated products and we're working to maintain the advantage we have. Moving to SG and A expenses, which were also down sequentially from Q1. We were up just over $1,000,000 year over year to about $1,000,000,000 in BSF litigation costs we incurred this year. Again, we don't expect these to be ongoing expenses. Also contributing to this variance were smaller increases in compensation expense, insurance costs and audit fees offset by reductions in bad debt expense and other items. Speaker 100:09:56We also saw interest expense more than tripled, a $280,000 increase from the same period in 2022 Due to the combination of expanded borrowing and a 5% increase in the prime lending rate over the past year or so. As you can see, We keep moving ourselves into a better position to win. We've maintained our focus on capturing the bottom line benefits The changes we've implemented beginning in 2022 were designed to deliver. The bottom line takeaway here is that we're focused, motivated and working hard to build the value of our company. Now I'd like to introduce Kevin Kuritan, Chief Operating Officer to discuss progress in some of these areas and their drivers in greater detail. Speaker 100:10:39Kevin? Speaker 200:10:40Thanks, Jess. As always, I would like to begin by thanking our team for their efforts in helping fulfill our mission and enhancing people's lives through the world's best skin care products as we also work tirelessly toward creating a more valuable company for our shareholders. I also would like to thank all of our investors While it was nice to return to profitability in Q2, It by no means represents a finish line of any sort. Instead, Q2 represents us starting to realize our goal in achieving both growth in revenue and increased profitability. A critical part in achieving our goal is having the right team in place. Speaker 200:11:22We now for the first time since we began the Solesence business Have a complete leadership team in place in commercial, operational and financial roles that will serve as the team to lead us into the future. We have already demonstrated that our business processes enable us to sustain our status as a world class innovator. Our latest CosmoProf Award really reinforces that. That is why we are increasingly focused on building the business processes That will enable us to become a best in class manufacturer and distributor. As our Board often asks, how will this translate? Speaker 200:12:03What are the KPIs that will demonstrate that we are on track with achieving our goal? Achieving operational translates into meaningful improvements in gross profit margins. Over the next two quarters that will primarily be through improvements in 2 key areas: Our labor efficiency and lowering materials costs. While 31% gross profit was certainly a significant improvement over the underperformance We had in the previous quarters. We believe there is much more improvement that can be realized in a relatively short period of time. Speaker 200:12:39I'll end my comments by saying that our confidence in the future again is largely because of our confidence in our team's ability to achieve our mission, continued To achieve our vision, but of course that must be proven during the rest of this year and the years to come. Jess? Speaker 100:13:03Thanks, Kevin. Why don't we dig right in? Although we know that most of our investors listen to the webcast to review the transcript after the live We'd like to invite those participating in today's call to ask any questions you may have or to share your comments. Afterward, I'll offer a few critical closing comments. Abigail, would you please begin the Q and A session? Operator00:13:26Thank you. At this time, we'll conduct the question and answer session. Speaker 300:14:24Pleased with this quarter and I can see from your tone that you guys are much happier having the call this quarter than The previous quarter. Speaker 100:14:33A little bit. Speaker 300:14:37And Kevin, I really liked your comments about much more improvement that can We realized in a short period of time. So given that you've made great strides in Gross margin improvement, though not where you were a couple of years ago, what do you think is end of year gross margin target or a steady state Gross margin target, anything you can share on that? Speaker 100:15:04Well, it's hard to say because I mean As big as we feel we are, we're a really small company. One of the things that was great about Q2 Yes. We had production that aligned very well. It was easier to schedule than it's been Historically, not lumpy as much. And that's where Q1 was financially Looked like a disaster, but as we talked back then, if you looked at January, then February, then March, March was a good month. Speaker 100:15:43It's just that we had such a dip in January that made it difficult. So when it comes to what the year is going to be, I think we need more steady state operation to lock that down regularly because Q4 generally just in this business Speaker 300:16:01You have a couple Speaker 100:16:02of things. The API business usually peaks somewhere between Q122 And a little bit in the beginning of Q3 and then the Solesence business, the Q4 volume that comes through there Generally, it's going to be setting up for launches in Q1 versus the volume that comes on For reorders and everything else when you're getting into later Q1, Q2, Q3. So that's where I generally expect Q4 to dip down. So do we hit 31 or more through the rest of the year for both quarters? I don't know. Speaker 100:16:44I think probably not When we get into Q4, but certainly it's possible. Q3 will depend on order volume and how variable it is. So far, It's been good. And July was actually an okay month given that you have the holidays in there and do our annual Maintenance and things like that usually around that week. So I think we get expected to continue to move up. Speaker 100:17:10It's going to be better than last year. I said by a few points when we talked last partly because we just had such a tough Q1 to make up from. I think steady state at some point for this company can easily be over 30% and probably Getting up toward the 40% range, that's something that we're very into doing, working on and it's also something that our Board of Directors is very demanding when it comes to. So that's in the works. Speaker 300:17:47Okay. Now that's I understand that. To be honest, I hadn't ever really completely understood your seasonality. And discussing your revenue growth, in your press release, you mentioned a $15,000,000 backlog going into Q3, which I take from your comments not to mean that, that will all be recognized in Q3. So Do you typically then take your backlog 1 quarter out, 2 quarters out, 3 quarters out? Speaker 100:18:23What we said there, it's partly you hate to make this into a word salad, which obviously for you we did. Leaving June 30, so when we put the press release together between what we've already shipped and what's on the books, We've got $15,000,000 in volume, of which 2 thirds of that $15,000,000 Reflects potential Q3 volume. So that's you're in the $10,000,000 plus range depending on what else we can pull in. We are expecting more orders coming in for Q4, which is the balance of most of those orders. And then we have a few orders so far in 2024, we expect more as we go. Speaker 100:19:06So we try to use that metric. I think when we get More steady state flow of business, it will be easier for us to say we have X amount planned for Q4 plus or minus Q3 plus or minus whatever 10% and then we have X amount for Q4, but we're not quite there yet. Speaker 200:19:27Hey, Tony, just to add one more comment to what Jess offered. It's a little different in 2023 than it has been in previous years Because there was a lot as I'm sure you know as well or better than us, there was a lot of Concern in consumer markets about what was going to happen to the economy. And so there was a lot of inventory control that was on the retail end that then fed back to our clients, which then ultimately fed to us in terms of just timing on orders. So they were holding back and still are anticipating or giving us indication that there is Demand out there and that they're going to place orders, but they're waiting to the very last moment these days versus Being a little bit more aggressive as they were in 2021 2022 and placing orders further ahead. So that's part of the reason why we're not giving as much guidance on the total volume because we don't have as much visibility as You might have had in last year just based upon the behavior of the client base. Speaker 200:20:43I will finish by saying that doesn't mean that there's a weakness In the business per se, it's just a change based upon the whole channel being more conservative on inventory. Speaker 300:20:58Okay. That's an excellent point, right. I mean, people were just scrambling to lock in. And just one final question, and I'll Obviously, give others a chance. I'm used to kind of being at the end, not in the beginning. Speaker 300:21:10Justin, your comment about BASF and not To use your words, word salad it, but are you implying that BAS, its claim or their litigation revolves at Leased in part around looking for more product support going forward and perhaps feeling neglected because the company has emphasized So lessons as opposed to something else or different. And obviously, you haven't reached a settlement, so there's nothing definitive. But that was Something I thought I heard you suggest in your comment. Speaker 100:21:45Well, I'm pretty limited on what we can share there. One thing is that we've the commercial relationship And the litigation have been for the most part in this past year now that this is almost going on have been segregated pretty well. And we are consistently in discussions about new products and getting new products out there. And I think They're smart people. They're good at what they do. Speaker 100:22:13And I think they're recognizing as we recognize, which is obvious in our other business That you just have to have more products out there. And so we are continuing to talk about that with respect to What motivated them relative to their claims? I think the I think they said it In their claims that I don't want to recount them because I won't do it accurately enough and I could hear my attorney holding not breathing right now, Holding his breath, but I think that the we had some stumbling on delivery, Which was difficult when everything went the supply chain issues were what they were and that was problematic for them. And we have They certainly are interested in new products, but that really isn't anything that is baked into our existing contract or part of The litigation and then with respect to Solesence, The two businesses are very separate from one another, although from the outside looking in, obviously, we had more to do, But we continued to service that business as best we could and we don't think that there was any kind of a diminution Of quality relative to our API business as we built the Solesence volume. Speaker 100:23:43All right. Speaker 300:23:44Well, thank you, gentlemen, and I'm glad to see that you guys have turned the corner and congratulations. Thank you. Speaker 100:23:53Thanks, Tony. Operator00:23:56One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Ron Richards, a Private Investor. Your line is open. Speaker 400:24:08Hi, Jess. You might already have answered my question. I had a little trouble logging in today through no fault of yours. My phone was on, not disturb. But that being the case, I missed out on your comments about the lawsuit. Speaker 400:24:32When is the next court proceeding and what would that court proceeding When is the next court date and what would be argued on at that date? Speaker 100:24:45Well, the next in my view, the most significant date coming up is the end of the year. We have Discovery extended till twelvethirty one. So we've got a fairly good deal of runway To work toward a negotiated settlement if that's what ends up happening. There are Now Speaker 400:25:07is that excuse me. There Speaker 100:25:12are go ahead. I'm sorry. Speaker 400:25:14Was the discovery extended because of the Amount required or because of the possibility for settlement? Speaker 100:25:24It was because we were And we have been working together and trying to resolve these issues out of court if possible, which Everybody prefers including the court. And so we're we extended that to allow time to do that while still Retain any time we needed should we end up having to litigate this thing all the way. Speaker 400:25:53Have the issues have any of the issues been narrowed down in any sort of motion procedure or settlement? Or is it just sort of the Original claim as it first stood? Speaker 100:26:08I don't I wouldn't say that any of them have been There's been no motions or procedures that have changed any of the original issues. I would say that we are working together And have identified the things that we need to address, the open issues and we've been doing that on a fairly regular basis. And I'm optimistic We can work something out that's good for both companies, which any settlement has to be, but I can't say really anything more than that. Speaker 400:26:38Okay. Well, it does look like you've transitioned through your expansion, and I'm glad to see that. I Sure hope this lawsuit can be settled in a way that keeps Solesence On the roll? Roll? Speaker 500:27:00Yes. Speaker 100:27:03We think we're in good shape there, but again can't speak for what happens when you litigate, which is partly one of the reasons It's good if you can to come up with an amicable settlement. Speaker 400:27:18Well, thank you. Operator00:27:29And wait for your name to be announced. Our next question comes from James Lieberman with Revere Securities. Your line is open. Speaker 500:27:39Great. Thank you very much. My handset broke. Can you hear me okay? Speaker 100:27:44Yes. Hi, Jim. Speaker 500:27:45Great. Hi, there. Great quarter, Very impressive considering also some of the dropping off, I'm guessing of some of the COVID testing Technology. Could you give a little bit more clarity and maybe you've already maybe you have, but I didn't quite Fully understand it, of how the integration into the new facility is going. I imagine it's still a process. Speaker 500:28:11Can you give a little bit more sense of where that how that process is playing out? Speaker 200:28:16Thanks, Jim. Appreciate it. So we'll talk about it in stages because it will happen in stages. Our expectation From the beginning is that it was a multi year process in large part to make sure that we didn't have any disruption And supply to our key clients or all of our clients really. So what we have completed so far is the move of Our warehousing and all of our filling and assembly or the back end of the Solesence manufacturing processes, Those had we had completed the move of those. Speaker 200:28:58The warehousing is early as last year this time. And then the filling operations was completed in the End of January, beginning of February of this year. Over the last few months, we spent most of the time really consolidating Some of the new equipment that have been installed and really quite honestly the changes to operating procedures That resulted from our expanded footprint and capability. So That was really what we spent most of the last few months dealing with including now having a new manufacturing leader On the team, who started at the beginning of June. So, still a work in progress Through the rest of the expansion, which we hope to happen over the next or consolidation depending upon your way of viewing it over the next couple of years Through putting the rest of our upstream operations into the same facility as our current packaging and warehousing. Speaker 500:30:16That's terrific. I really like the Methodical way in which you're going about this and these are terrific accomplishments and a lot of companies don't manage those transitions very well and The fact that you've got these parallel systems still in place while you're managing it is very commendable. Could you also comment on some of the brand names again that we might see Solesence, is it Clear is one and another one beginning with a B? Speaker 200:30:48Yes. Is that their identifiers? Speaker 600:30:51Yes. Those Speaker 200:30:53are Solesence related brand names, Jim. So Klear, KLEHIR, which Everybody always laughs about, but anyway that is the name of our how we brand our zinc But what you really I think you may be alluding to is last call we talked about some of our clients That allow us to reference them publicly. And so we have companies like Color Science who We've often talked to as being our launch partner, they were really our first client in the Solesence business. We have other companies like Kinlo, which is the Naomi Osaka brand. We have Credo Brands, which are products that Credo, the retailer, manages. Speaker 200:31:53We have a company called Relevant, who lets us talk about them and BloomFX, Who also lets us talk about them. And so these are all companies that are primarily distributed in places like Sephora or Ulta or other specialty beauty retailers And there are dozens of others that we're not able to reference publicly yet, but Our clients of ours. Speaker 500:32:30That's very helpful. That's probably the most complete list I've heard to date. Thank you very much. And how many this is just a random question, but how many SKUs do you think you're on right now? Speaker 200:32:44Yes, we had a fun discussion about that. I guess it depends actually talking to one of our Supplier Partners, by the way it's defined by the FDA, we have Almost 500 SKUs. And just to be clear, we could have the same Bulk in 3 different packages and that would be by the FDA's perspective 3 SKUs. So yes, we're closing in on about 500 SKUs that we have active currently. Speaker 500:33:24I just want to wrap up by saying what a terrific job, well done with all these challenges. Thank you very much again. Congratulations. Speaker 200:33:33Thanks, Jim. Operator00:33:35Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Stefano Bolas, An individual investor, Seth, your line is open. Speaker 600:33:52Hello. Hi, everyone. First of all, well done for the results in the quarter and the CosmoProf award. I've seen, I think, on it was on LinkedIn, a post related to CosmoProf in Italy In 2024, is it the first time you participate to that one in Italy? Speaker 200:34:17Yes, we have not yet participated in the Italian event, which I'm sure you may know is the Largest event, wasn't really appropriate for us up until now in large part because of Our footprint and our presence, but given the what's going to happen because we were a winner again of the Best Formulation, our company is actually being highlighted or one of the companies being highlighted at that event. So It's an ideal time to broaden our introduction, if you will, to Europe. So that's part of our plan. Speaker 600:35:03So that would also suggest you now feel you have a more robust infrastructure To cope with the increased volumes in case you are opening new markets? Speaker 200:35:16That's correct. We with the really expansion and we mentioned it in the press release, Some of the new automation that we've already installed, there's still some more that is on its way literally as we speak For installation, we have really for the first time addressed our downstream capacity issues As a company, we're really in a good position from that standpoint. There's still some opportunity for us to improve Upstream of that, but as it stands today, we're certainly able to meet the demand that we have And look for additional demand out there. Speaker 600:36:04Okay. And one more. So with regards to this equipment for completing the enhancement of end to end automation That you were expecting this quarter, is this so everything is on track with the Compared to the timeline indicated in the previous call? Speaker 200:36:27Yes. Actually, we are still on schedule with what we Had anticipated, we completed the validation on the biggest of the lines. We have the secondary packaging lines are still on the same schedule we had anticipated. And as a result, we anticipate the same improvements that we had talked about previously. Speaker 600:37:00Okay, then thanks a lot. And I'm happy that this quarter I managed to order Some of your products because I'm not based in U. S. And it was always difficult to find customers of yours that are selling outside of the U. S. Speaker 600:37:17But we've saw this, color science, I found the way to buy some product finally. Speaker 200:37:24Yes. I would say increasingly I would expect a big hint that there will be some more announcements related to that in Q1 of 2024, we do have some new clients that one of which is you're actually based in Europe that it'd be launching and they'll Happily talk about their relationship with Solesence. So after that launch, we'll certainly be excited to have you buy those products as well. Speaker 600:37:53Okay. Thanks a lot. Speaker 100:37:56Thank you. Thank you. Operator00:38:02I'm showing no further questions at this time. I would like to turn it back to Jeff Jankowski for closing remarks. Speaker 100:38:11Thank you, Abigail. As I mentioned, there are a few closing remarks that I want all of you to hear. Our story of the last few years has been one of unrealized value. We've become bigger and more stable. Now we have to become more profitable than ultimately More valuable. Speaker 100:38:28Demand for our products has not diminished. We're working hard to get them out of the door faster and to introduce more of them. Consumer preference continues to move Solesence forward and it has had the effect of insulating us from the ups and downs in our economy. We're growing and winning customers And winning new brand partners and consumers. Your patience is going to pay off as we transition to this next phase of development. Speaker 100:38:53Thank you again for joining us today. We'll look forward to our next call when we expect to discuss further improvements to the profitability and stability of our business. Have a great day everybody. Operator00:39:03Thank you for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect.Read morePowered by