NASDAQ:PERI Perion Network Q2 2023 Earnings Report $10.57 -0.25 (-2.31%) Closing price 08/1/2025 04:00 PM EasternExtended Trading$10.81 +0.24 (+2.27%) As of 08/1/2025 07:38 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast Perion Network EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.78Consensus EPS $0.65Beat/MissBeat by +$0.13One Year Ago EPSN/APerion Network Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$178.47 millionExpected Revenue$176.00 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$2.47 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/APerion Network Announcement DetailsQuarterQ2 2023Date8/2/2023TimeN/AConference Call DateWednesday, August 2, 2023Conference Call Time8:30AM ETUpcoming EarningsPerion Network's Q2 2025 earnings is scheduled for Monday, August 11, 2025, with a conference call scheduled at 8:30 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Q2 2025 Earnings ReportConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Perion Network Q2 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrAugust 2, 2023 ShareLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways Perion delivered 22% year-over-year revenue growth to $178.5 million in Q2 and 45% Y/Y adjusted EBITDA growth to €41.2 million, achieving one of the highest margins in the digital advertising industry. The company’s strategic diversification across search, video, CTV and retail media enabled it to capture shifting ad budgets, with CTV revenue more than doubling and retail media up 63% Y/Y to represent 10% of total ad revenue. Search advertising revenue rose 21% to €79.1 million, driven by a 68% increase in daily searches and the addition of new publishers that expand Perion’s global footprint beyond its core Microsoft partnership. Operational efficiency measures and media-buying optimization lifted contribution ex-TAC by 27% to €77 million and improved non-GAAP OpEx/COGS as a percentage of revenue, underpinning strong margin expansion. With cash and equivalents growing to €483 million, Perion raised its 2023 guidance to target 16% revenue growth and at least 26% adjusted EBITDA growth, while continuing to invest in AI-driven ad technology and selective M&A. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallPerion Network Q2 202300:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xThere are 10 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Hello, everybody, and welcome to the Perion Network Second Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. Today's conference is being recorded. The press release detailing the financial results is available on the company's website at www.perion.com. Before we begin, I'd like to read the following Safe Harbor statement. Today's discussion includes forward looking statements. Operator00:00:21These statements reflect the company's current views with respect to These forward looking statements involve known and unknown risks, uncertainties and other factors, including those discussed under the heading Risk Factors and elsewhere in the company's annual report on Form 20 F that may cause actual results, performance or achievements to be materially different and any future results, performance or achievements anticipated or implied by these forward looking statements. The company does not undertake to update any forward looking statements to reflect future events or circumstances. As in prior For the quarters, the results reported today will be analyzed both on a GAAP and a non GAAP basis. While mentioning EBITDA, we will be referring to adjusted EBITDA. We have provided a detailed reconciliation of non GAAP measures to their comparable GAAP measures in our earnings release, which is available on our Web and has also been filed on Form 6 ks. Operator00:01:17Hosting the call today are Tal Jacobson, Perion's Chief Executive Officer and may I ask Sigran, Perion's Chief Financial Officer. I would now like to turn the call over to Tal Jacobson. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:01:30Hello, everyone. I'm Tal Jacobson, and I'm excited to welcome you to our Q2 earnings report. For the first time as Perion's CEO, with me is Mao Sigron, Perion's CFO. It is truly an honor To take on this role and lead Perion into the future, I've been running Perion's search advertising division since 2018, where we've built a thriving business model and a deep partnership with Microsoft Advertising. And I was also part of the executive team That's built and executed the foundation of Perion. Speaker 100:02:09At Perion, we have an incredible team of talented individuals Let's build our wealth foundation that will lead Perion into the future. I want to thank each and every one of them For their hard work and dedication. Doron Gerstel, Delion's previous CEO, has been a great leader, Combining imagination and execution, I'd like to thank him for his outstanding leadership and for staying with us On the Board of Directors, allowing us to continue to shape the future of Perion together. My journey to this point was full of life lessons. One of the most important lessons I've learned about business is that agility is key factor for long lasting success. Speaker 100:03:00Almost 20 years ago, I was hired together with some incredible people to create a turnaround for ICQ that was part of AOL. ICQ was the 1st global success to come out of Israeli startup nation. AOL acquired ICQ for its instant messaging technology and rapid growth. At that time, iCQ finished developing a new product for mobile group messaging that had the same features that WhatsApp and Telegram have today. Now think about it for a moment. Speaker 100:03:34Almost 20 years ago, ICQ was already there, Yet, the mobile product was not launched back then. The primary objective For which hours employed had been achieved, and the desktop product was a huge success. The company was so captivated by the desktop success, dropping the ball in mobile messaging and iCQ lost its competitive edge It had in that time. The lesson here is that to be winners, we must keep 1 foot In the present and one foot in the future, winners are those who can build On the uniqueness and at the same time, look forward to product innovation and quickly adapt when needed. Dalian continues to grow in the digital advertising market, thanks to our ability to remain agile, Gaining market share in our core activities, while constantly thinking of new markets to penetrate. Speaker 100:04:45Now let's get down to business and review Q2 2023 results Versus the market trends, Perion continues to demonstrate a sustained ability to outperform the industry. The digital advertising industry is filled with many smart companies With strong leaders and with excellent technology and yet we continue to outperform. Our success It's a combination of our ability to capture shifts in advertising budgets, while maintaining high margins. The best way to achieve both level of growth is through our strategic diversification business model. This is accompanied by a culture that fosters agility, moving fast and seizing opportunities As they emerge, despite the rapid shifts in media allocation strategies in the market, Perion is well positioned to gain market share. Speaker 100:05:56Our diversification allows us to be flexible And meet the moment, no matter how much it shifts and changes, Telion's Q2 growth numbers Across search advertising, video, CTV, retail media and digital advertising as a whole tell the story. It's all part of our strategy to follow digital advertising budgets As they shift between channels and establish a strong foothold in fast growing markets where technology matters And margins are higher. In our 2023 second quarter performance, we also continue To outperform the industry on revenue growth, growing our revenue by 22% over the same quarter last year To above $178,000,000 What is even more impressive is that we achieved that against The backdrop of continued economic headwinds and uncertainties. Another indicator Of our outstanding Q2 performance is our EBITDA that grew by an impressive 45% year over year. Our strong results are attributed to our focus on growing profitability And margin expansions, our innovation, execution abilities and operational efficiency Are the main factors that lead to our amazing EBITDA growth and our incredible EBITDA margin among the highest in the industry. Speaker 100:07:42Let's take a deep dive into our Retail Media business and understand what enables us To build this activity, Verion Retail Business is a great example of how we bring together Skills and technology in a powerful way that allows us to grow our market share. Behind those growth numbers is a smart platform. It is designed to enable large retailers to leverage their own data For greater sales, loyalty and ROI, we are replacing the outdated circular that has been around for over 100 years with the accuracy of digital targeting. Our magic begins with 3 layers of data: the anonymized retail data The 3rd party enrichment data that includes, among others, demographic, behavioral, contextual, location And other environmental condition. And finally, and one of the most important parts is our own proprietary eye up data. Speaker 100:08:51All three layers are then being added to our AI decisioning engine to produce thousands of dynamic creatives. Bellion's solution allows us to deliver relevant, personalized and localized ad experiences. For example, we can customize our retail ad creatives to reflect local weather. If it's raining in one city, They will see an ad for a comforting soup. Yet, if it's hot and sunny, the local ads will promote ice cream. Speaker 100:09:25And thanks to Sort, our AI based cookieless targeting technology, we can now target the right product to the right person At the right moment, our dynamic retail solution is distributed across all our media channel, As you would expect from a unified solution such as ours, our technology has already won The Retail Touchpoint Award for brand experience and of some of the biggest retailers such as Kroger, Rite Aid, Home Depot, Albertsons and more, they are all working with us to drive meaningful business results. Before we dive into the numbers, I'd like to thank all of you, many of whom have been following Perion for a long time. Your continuous support and belief in the company is invaluable. As you will now see, The future of Perion is brighter than ever. I invite you to review the Q2 results presented by our CFO, Speaker 200:10:40Thank you, Tal. Good afternoon and to those of you joining us from the U. S. I am very proud of the financial and business results Perion achieved for the Q2 of 2023. We built on the success of the Q1, experiencing growing momentum. Speaker 200:10:59Perion continues to outperform the ethylene against the backdrop of continuing economic headwinds and uncertainties. Our ability to attain these results further demonstrates our strength as a global multichannel advertising technology company. Our 2nd quarter numbers show that our strong technology infrastructure, our diversified product portfolio And our agility to keep up with market trends uniquely position us for success. Our strong results are also attributable Our focus on growing profitability and margin expansion as well as implementation of our efficiency measures throughout our business operations. This is coupled with Perion's commitment to innovation and execution of our business plans across our key growth drivers Such as video, CTV and Retail Media, we are fully committed to continue our profitable growth Through product innovation and through acquisitions. Speaker 200:12:06Let's review the quarter's financial highlights. Revenue grew by 22% year over year to $178,500,000 Contribution ex TAC For the quarter, grew by 27% year over year to €77,000,000 Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter Grew by 45% year over year to €41,200,000 GAAP net income increased by 10% year over year to €21,400,000 And non GAAP diluted EPS grew by 65% year over year to CAD0.84 per diluted share. The quarterly revenue clearly show how we are consistently growing our top line year over year. The revenue for the Q2 was €178,500,000 an increase of 22% year over year that reflect A strong continued 2 year tailgate of 28%. Display advertising revenue for the 2nd quarter increased by 22% year over year To RMB 99,400,000 accounting for 56% of total revenue. Speaker 200:13:16Stores revenue increased by 80 4% year over year, representing 21% installed Rota revenue compared with 14% in the Q2 last year. Our Retail Media business continued to accelerate, growing 63% year over year, Accounting for 10% of this advertising revenue versus 8% last year. Video increased by 14% year over year, Representing 41% of this advertising revenue compared with 44% in the Q2 last year. CTV revenue more than doubled compared with the Q2 of 2022, representing 7% of the SLA advertising revenue Versus 4% last year. Search advertising revenue for the 2nd quarter grew by 21% year over year To €79,100,000 44 percent of total revenue, average daily searches During the quarter grew by 68% year over year to 28,600,000. Speaker 200:14:26This was driven by a 28% year over year increase in the number of search advertising publisher to 159 and By increased traffic from existing publishers, RPM has also gradually increased in the comparison with the Q1 of this year. Contribution excluding TAC was $77,000,000 or 43% of revenue compared with 41% of revenue In the Q2 last year, this margin extension was primarily due to improved product mix and also Thanks to media buying airport optimization enabled by leveraging data and buying power as part of our intelligent app. Our continued implementation of efficiency measures, coupled with a focus on growth in high margin business, helped us to generate adjusted EBITDA of 41,200,000, an increase of 45% over the Q2 last year. Adjusted EBITDA margin increased from 19% to 23% this year, While adjusted EBITDA to contribution excluding TAC margin increased from 47% to 54% this year. This dramatic improvement is due to continuous investment in innovation and cost control, resulting In a very strong incremental margin. Speaker 200:15:59On a GAAP basis, 2nd quarter net income was 21,400,000 or 0.43 dollars per diluted share, an increase of 10% compared with 19,500,000 or €0.41 per diluted share in the Q2 last year. GAAP net income includes a fair value adjustment Of the contingent consideration payable with respect to the Videzoo acquisition of 14,600,000 During the quarter, we amended the Videzoo share repurchase agreement as a result of their outstanding performance During the earnout period, our strong cash position and effective cash management generated 5,200,000 Financial income in the second quarter. We also enjoyed an effective tax rate of approximately 15% As a result of our disciplined tax planning, on a non GAAP basis, 2nd quarter net income was 42,100,000 For $0.84 per diluted share, an increase of 72% compared with $24,500,000.51 per diluted share in the Q2 last year. Over the past 3 years, Liron consistently demonstrates our ability to implement efficiency measures throughout our business operations. Non GAAP OpEx and COGS decreased to 20% from revenue compared with 22% in the Q2 last year. Speaker 200:17:36EBITDA per FTE dramatically increased from 56,000 in the 2nd quarter last year To 82,000 this quarter, this impressive improvement in productivity It's a testament to our business strategy execution. This created an efficient operational infrastructure That allows incremental top and bottom line growing at lower cost. 2nd quarter operating cash flow was €47,400,000 compared with €25,700,000 in the Q2 of 2022. This strong operating cash flow Was driven by strong collection in the 2nd quarter. They included an 8,000,000 customer collection That shifted from March to April this year. Speaker 200:18:29As of June 30, 2023, our cash and cash equivalents, Short term bank deposit and marketable securities increased from 436,000,000 at the end of the first quarter To €483,000,000 at the end of the second quarter. We are encouraged by the strong results We achieved in the first half of the year. And therefore, we are raising our 2023 annual guidance To reflect increased profitability and margin expansion, our new revenue guidance represent a 16% year over year growth At the midpoint, adjusted EBITDA is expected to grow at least 26% year over year. This concludes my financial overview. We'll be happy to answer any of your questions. Speaker 200:19:21Operator, the stage is yours. Speaker 300:19:26Thank you. The floor is now open. The first question is coming from Laura Martin of Needham and Company. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:20:01Good morning. Can you guys hear me okay? Speaker 100:20:04Yes. Yes. Good morning. Speaker 400:20:06Great. Good morning, Tal. Welcome to the top seat. So what I'm interested in learning from you is you've been sitting in the search seat for the last 5 years. I'm interested as CEO, what you want to achieve in search over the next 2 or 3 years and what you want to achieve in the other half of the business you haven't run-in the past over the next 3 years, please. Speaker 100:20:28Absolutely. Absolutely, sir. Thanks for joining me. Thanks for asking the question. So On search, we obviously are looking to grow. Speaker 100:20:38We're increasing the number of publishers through that, the number Searches and we are constantly looking for more and more strategic publishers to be added to our network. And on the other side, on the advertising side, the display side, we're constantly investing, as you saw in the presentation, in other verticals. So to expand our display advertising solution into other verticals such as retail. And all of that is going to be through Investment in technology and so that's the organic part and M and As. So we're constantly looking to add more and more technologies and more and more companies, and that's the goal, to Keep increasing both sides. Speaker 400:21:29Fantastic. And then my second question is on generative AI. I know you guys are using Microsoft Cloud and Generative AI, you're integrating that into your products. Can you talk about your roadmap over the next 2 or 3 years and how you think about using generative AI to make your products better, please? Speaker 100:21:47Yes, absolutely. So without going Too many details on specific features, we're investing heavily in generative AI. Again, as you saw on the presentation, creating thousands of permutations for each in each ad Based on data, so one person in a specific location will get a specific ad or another location will get a different ad. And we're now adding another layer of the generative AI to add brand safety because generative AI keeps Randomly create images. So we want to make sure it's a brand safe environment. Speaker 100:22:29Nothing So nothing would be broken on those images. So that's another layer that we're investing in. And again, I think through the year, we're going to Show more and more things that we're releasing. Don't want to ruin the surprise, but we are working on a few pretty incredible things. Speaker 400:22:53Thank you very much. Speaker 100:22:55Thank you. Speaker 300:22:58Thank you. The next Question is coming from Andrew Maroc of Raymond James. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:23:04Hello. Thank you for And Tal, again, welcome to the seats. First question for me, wanted to dig a little bit deeper on the search volume I know we saw some comp issues from pricing strength this time last year, but does that account for The entirety of the revenue per query decline, I mean, I know you're also growing publishers at a good clip. Are there any characteristics or Attribute to the new publishers coming on that could affect that volume versus pricing situation? Speaker 100:23:36No. So let's divide it into 2 parts, So we're in charge of adding publishers, which are adding searches. That's our side. Price, the economic unit of what we call RPMs, which is per 1,000 searches, That's not based on us. That's based on the economic condition, advertising budgets. Speaker 100:24:01Those are things that are not based on our ability to control. And this is why we're not focused on RPMs because we can't control that. That's The economic conditions, we're focusing on adding more and more publishers, which are going to add more and more searches. That's the game here. Speaker 500:24:20Okay. And then, on the margin side, another really good margin quarter. It seems that you have another a number of tech focused opportunities in front of you, whether it's building out the CTV and Retail Media businesses, Expanding and enhancing sort in Ihub, to say nothing of, for instance, the generative AI opportunities that are yet to come that you've talked about. R and D spend was down again Q over Q in absolute dollars in 2Q. So how do you think about that tech and product investment? Speaker 500:24:49Is there room to maybe devote more spend since you're running at such high margins? Speaker 200:24:54Do you want to take that? Yes. So first, we are Taking this advantage to be competitive and to be able to keep the good momentum and to make sure that we are attractive and we can definitely Share this great margin also with our partners and our customers. This is first and I agree with you and we agree with you that As we have a very good margin on the growth, we're talking about 43%. On the net, this is above 50%. Speaker 200:25:27So we have definitely margin that we can translate into investment that will help us to keep The great momentum when thinking about 2025, 2026 with different investment, this is something that is happening. Of course, Part of what we have today on the R and D include investment, but more to come and this is more a long term plan that We are definitely adapting with the flexibility that we have based on our current financials. Speaker 500:25:56Thanks for taking my questions. Speaker 100:25:58Thank you. Speaker 300:26:02Thank you. The next question is coming from Jason Helfstein of Oppenheimer. Please go ahead. Jason, please make sure you've unmuted your line. Speaker 600:26:15Hey, can you hear me now? Speaker 100:26:17Yes. Speaker 600:26:18Thanks. Doing 2 calls at once. Okay. So two questions. So retail media has become 10% of ad revenue very quickly. Speaker 600:26:26What's your incremental value add versus other solutions in the market? And where do you think the mix goes over the next 18 months? And then second, cash continues to grow. What's the catalyst to do an acquisition? And if you're not finding something that's meeting your targets, Would you consider share buybacks? Speaker 600:26:45Thanks. Speaker 100:26:47Thanks for the question. So first of all, retail media, I think The name of the game there is data. So once you connect your systems to the retail data, It's within the house. So you can create more and more campaign and that continues to grow. As opposed to other segments in Online advertising as a whole, retail media is a lot more stickier. Speaker 100:27:13So we predict that this will continue to grow. As for the other question, M and As, We're aiming to become even bigger at our revenue, at our growth. So we definitely need to buy companies. We're growing organically, as you can see. Retail is organically, CTV is organically. Speaker 100:27:34We didn't buy companies to that. But if we want to continue To grow even faster for that, we're looking for M and As. Again, M and As at those specific verticals It's very attractive for us, so CTV, out of home, maybe some technological components for retail media. Those are the companies we're looking at, And that's our main focus, to use that to continue to grow. So that's our fuel for our continued growth. Speaker 300:28:14Jason, Thank you. The next question is coming from Mark Kelley of Stifel. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:28:31Hey, great. Good morning, everybody. Thanks for taking the questions. I wanted to focus on CTV. Obviously, very nice growth Outpaced in the industry, anything you would call out there that's stood out in terms of whether it's ad units or that potentially creative that outperforms Relative to the rest of it. Speaker 700:28:50And then second on the search side, totally get that you guys are continuing to add publishers. Your growth outpaced the growth At Microsoft or at least the segment that search would fall into. Can we also read into that a bit I assume that maybe Bing is a smaller contributor. I know you're adding search partners as well. Thank you. Speaker 100:29:15Okay. So CTV, we don't have a breakdown for Creative, but CTV is really growing. Live CTV It's a great growth engine for us. We're using Live CTV on sports events, Especially now that people are using are looking at more live events as opposed to content We know about whatever's going out in Hollywood with fresh content. So live CTV is definitely solving that. Speaker 100:29:50And that's the CTV part. What was the other question, Serge? Speaker 700:29:57Yes, Serge, Let's separate the adding publisher side. Can we assume that also your other search partners are maybe mixing up and becoming a bigger part of That segment for you. Speaker 100:30:10Yes. So again, we're working with more than 1 search partner. Obviously, Microsoft is the biggest one here, but we constantly work with More partners to diversify through different countries, different devices. So we definitely have a mix. Speaker 700:30:35Okay. Thank you. Speaker 100:30:37Thank you. Speaker 300:30:42Thank you. The next question is coming from Jason Schmidt of Lake Street. Please go ahead. Speaker 800:30:47Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. And sorry, I missed it. But on the search side, it continues to be strong on the publisher growth. Do you see continued publisher growth over the next 12 months or does it cool off? Speaker 100:31:03We work at full speed ahead to add more and more publishers. We don't see any slow In the amount of publishers we're adding, so from the visibility we have now, it seems like it's going to continue growing. Speaker 800:31:21Okay, great. And then just as a follow-up, Tal, any areas you'll be focused on to a greater And as far as people, process or product development? Speaker 500:31:32Sure. Speaker 100:31:35I think technology is what drives all parts of digital advertising. So we're going to kind of focus Really hard on technology, AI. We have 2 teams of AI here, 1 for the supply part, 1 for the demand part. We constantly Invest more and more in that, and we're constantly looking to add more technologies into all our businesses, all our All our activities, for example, adding more data features to our retail activity. So strengthening what we do now and adding more things, that's our focus. Speaker 800:32:17Okay, perfect. Thanks a lot guys. Speaker 100:32:20Thank you. Speaker 300:32:22Thank you. The next question is coming from Jeff Martin of ROTH. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:32:28Great. Thanks. Good afternoon, guys. Wanted to ask a Speaker 900:32:32couple more questions around search. The first is, how does Growth in international markets compared to say the U. S. And North America, I know with the renewed partnership But from being a while back, international expansion was a big part of that. And then secondly, Are you seeing any noticeable impact from Chegg GPT with respect to Microsoft Bing? Speaker 100:32:58Yes. So we've added a lot more countries with the new agreements we've signed 2 years ago. But still, the majority Our business with Microsoft is in the U. S, but we do have a lot of activities across Europe. And It's definitely a good addition that we have those countries. Speaker 100:33:22Now on the CTPT part, I think we all agree that generative AI is the future of the Internet, not just advertising. Having said that, I think it's really early days to see how this moves forward and in what way. From our conversation with Microsoft, we have a great belief in Microsoft Advertising that they can make Microsoft Bing even greater And add those features to create stickiness and more engagement, but it's early days. That's Everybody is releasing their own AI chatbot, and it's great. I think this is really driving technology forward. Speaker 100:34:08But at the end of the day, it doesn't drive currently, it doesn't drive a lot of advertising budgets extra advertising budgets. So it's early days. We'll have to wait. Speaker 900:34:20Great. And then for my follow-up question, your Flow through of incremental revenue to EBITDA is about a 40% margin. That's pretty consistent the last 6 quarters. Just curious if you think that's a sustainable flow through rate. And as a second part of that question, Your customer acquisition and media buy costs have come down percent of revenue. Speaker 900:34:46Do you think that trend persists? Speaker 200:34:51So thank you for the question. We definitely always trying to find the area So first for investment, as we get the question before and this is one angle. And the second angle is how we Optimizing first the media buying and based on the fact that we are growing the business and getting more and more opportunities, we can We, the app, can have better margin, but this is something that where we are today with the forty 43% of the second quarter is very much aligned with the product mix of the second quarter. As we're expecting to get to the second half of the year, we're Taking the year to be around 42%. So Q3 will be similar to Q2 and Q4 With the product mix, we will be lower than that. Speaker 200:35:44Again, not dramatic with the number around 40 We sent in Q4. If you're thinking about 2024, again, we are now with model that is very optimized with the app and how we implement it. I will not assume something that is more than that. Once we will and Other things that we are doing, we will reflect it, but currently this is more or less reflects the forecast and our model Speaker 300:36:25Thank you. The next question is coming a follow-up from Mark Kelley of Stifel. Please go ahead. Mr. Kelly, do you have a follow-up? Speaker 700:36:41Didn't realize I was still only 2. Sorry about that. I will ask another one though. On the Sword products, Is there still a plan to maybe monetize that over the long run or do you still see that as something that is just a nice to have And something that brings more advertisements to the platform. Thank you. Speaker 100:37:03Sure. So I think Sword is a bit more than Just nice to have. It's currently, we're using that as a secret sauce to gain more and more Advertising budgets and run campaigns through that and I think the numbers are showing that, that we're gaining It gains traction and pulls more campaigns to Earth, and we'll continue to use it that way. As we think about what is Sword 2.0, where can we take this even further, Maybe more platforms, maybe more countries, maybe more models. But currently, it helps us Speaker 300:37:55Thank you. We're showing no additional questions in queue at this time. Did you have any additional or closing comments today? Speaker 100:38:02Thank you, everyone, for joining us. And hope to see you next time. Speaker 300:38:10Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference. 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The company also provides supply management platform; demand management platform for campaign planning and design; analytics platform, which provides information and performance insights; creative platform, a robust media platform; and an AI platform that uses machine learning to bring intelligence to the various phases of campaigns. In addition, it offers an actionable performance monitoring platform to support the various phases of campaign management; an online video player and integrated ad server to upload, manage, and stream video content; content monetization system, which integrates ads within the content layouts at the page level. Further, the company provides a publisher management system that provides analytics and performance optimization tools, as well as reports; search-demand management systems; monetization products that integrate and onboards demand vendors; and AI Systems. Additionally, it offers Intelligent HUB (iHUB), which connects the supply and demand sides of the marketplace; and strategic optimization of relevant traits (SORT), a provisional patent technology that eliminates the need for cookies. The company was formerly known as IncrediMail Ltd. and changed its name to Perion Network Ltd. in November 2011. 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There are 10 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Hello, everybody, and welcome to the Perion Network Second Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. Today's conference is being recorded. The press release detailing the financial results is available on the company's website at www.perion.com. Before we begin, I'd like to read the following Safe Harbor statement. Today's discussion includes forward looking statements. Operator00:00:21These statements reflect the company's current views with respect to These forward looking statements involve known and unknown risks, uncertainties and other factors, including those discussed under the heading Risk Factors and elsewhere in the company's annual report on Form 20 F that may cause actual results, performance or achievements to be materially different and any future results, performance or achievements anticipated or implied by these forward looking statements. The company does not undertake to update any forward looking statements to reflect future events or circumstances. As in prior For the quarters, the results reported today will be analyzed both on a GAAP and a non GAAP basis. While mentioning EBITDA, we will be referring to adjusted EBITDA. We have provided a detailed reconciliation of non GAAP measures to their comparable GAAP measures in our earnings release, which is available on our Web and has also been filed on Form 6 ks. Operator00:01:17Hosting the call today are Tal Jacobson, Perion's Chief Executive Officer and may I ask Sigran, Perion's Chief Financial Officer. I would now like to turn the call over to Tal Jacobson. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:01:30Hello, everyone. I'm Tal Jacobson, and I'm excited to welcome you to our Q2 earnings report. For the first time as Perion's CEO, with me is Mao Sigron, Perion's CFO. It is truly an honor To take on this role and lead Perion into the future, I've been running Perion's search advertising division since 2018, where we've built a thriving business model and a deep partnership with Microsoft Advertising. And I was also part of the executive team That's built and executed the foundation of Perion. Speaker 100:02:09At Perion, we have an incredible team of talented individuals Let's build our wealth foundation that will lead Perion into the future. I want to thank each and every one of them For their hard work and dedication. Doron Gerstel, Delion's previous CEO, has been a great leader, Combining imagination and execution, I'd like to thank him for his outstanding leadership and for staying with us On the Board of Directors, allowing us to continue to shape the future of Perion together. My journey to this point was full of life lessons. One of the most important lessons I've learned about business is that agility is key factor for long lasting success. Speaker 100:03:00Almost 20 years ago, I was hired together with some incredible people to create a turnaround for ICQ that was part of AOL. ICQ was the 1st global success to come out of Israeli startup nation. AOL acquired ICQ for its instant messaging technology and rapid growth. At that time, iCQ finished developing a new product for mobile group messaging that had the same features that WhatsApp and Telegram have today. Now think about it for a moment. Speaker 100:03:34Almost 20 years ago, ICQ was already there, Yet, the mobile product was not launched back then. The primary objective For which hours employed had been achieved, and the desktop product was a huge success. The company was so captivated by the desktop success, dropping the ball in mobile messaging and iCQ lost its competitive edge It had in that time. The lesson here is that to be winners, we must keep 1 foot In the present and one foot in the future, winners are those who can build On the uniqueness and at the same time, look forward to product innovation and quickly adapt when needed. Dalian continues to grow in the digital advertising market, thanks to our ability to remain agile, Gaining market share in our core activities, while constantly thinking of new markets to penetrate. Speaker 100:04:45Now let's get down to business and review Q2 2023 results Versus the market trends, Perion continues to demonstrate a sustained ability to outperform the industry. The digital advertising industry is filled with many smart companies With strong leaders and with excellent technology and yet we continue to outperform. Our success It's a combination of our ability to capture shifts in advertising budgets, while maintaining high margins. The best way to achieve both level of growth is through our strategic diversification business model. This is accompanied by a culture that fosters agility, moving fast and seizing opportunities As they emerge, despite the rapid shifts in media allocation strategies in the market, Perion is well positioned to gain market share. Speaker 100:05:56Our diversification allows us to be flexible And meet the moment, no matter how much it shifts and changes, Telion's Q2 growth numbers Across search advertising, video, CTV, retail media and digital advertising as a whole tell the story. It's all part of our strategy to follow digital advertising budgets As they shift between channels and establish a strong foothold in fast growing markets where technology matters And margins are higher. In our 2023 second quarter performance, we also continue To outperform the industry on revenue growth, growing our revenue by 22% over the same quarter last year To above $178,000,000 What is even more impressive is that we achieved that against The backdrop of continued economic headwinds and uncertainties. Another indicator Of our outstanding Q2 performance is our EBITDA that grew by an impressive 45% year over year. Our strong results are attributed to our focus on growing profitability And margin expansions, our innovation, execution abilities and operational efficiency Are the main factors that lead to our amazing EBITDA growth and our incredible EBITDA margin among the highest in the industry. Speaker 100:07:42Let's take a deep dive into our Retail Media business and understand what enables us To build this activity, Verion Retail Business is a great example of how we bring together Skills and technology in a powerful way that allows us to grow our market share. Behind those growth numbers is a smart platform. It is designed to enable large retailers to leverage their own data For greater sales, loyalty and ROI, we are replacing the outdated circular that has been around for over 100 years with the accuracy of digital targeting. Our magic begins with 3 layers of data: the anonymized retail data The 3rd party enrichment data that includes, among others, demographic, behavioral, contextual, location And other environmental condition. And finally, and one of the most important parts is our own proprietary eye up data. Speaker 100:08:51All three layers are then being added to our AI decisioning engine to produce thousands of dynamic creatives. Bellion's solution allows us to deliver relevant, personalized and localized ad experiences. For example, we can customize our retail ad creatives to reflect local weather. If it's raining in one city, They will see an ad for a comforting soup. Yet, if it's hot and sunny, the local ads will promote ice cream. Speaker 100:09:25And thanks to Sort, our AI based cookieless targeting technology, we can now target the right product to the right person At the right moment, our dynamic retail solution is distributed across all our media channel, As you would expect from a unified solution such as ours, our technology has already won The Retail Touchpoint Award for brand experience and of some of the biggest retailers such as Kroger, Rite Aid, Home Depot, Albertsons and more, they are all working with us to drive meaningful business results. Before we dive into the numbers, I'd like to thank all of you, many of whom have been following Perion for a long time. Your continuous support and belief in the company is invaluable. As you will now see, The future of Perion is brighter than ever. I invite you to review the Q2 results presented by our CFO, Speaker 200:10:40Thank you, Tal. Good afternoon and to those of you joining us from the U. S. I am very proud of the financial and business results Perion achieved for the Q2 of 2023. We built on the success of the Q1, experiencing growing momentum. Speaker 200:10:59Perion continues to outperform the ethylene against the backdrop of continuing economic headwinds and uncertainties. Our ability to attain these results further demonstrates our strength as a global multichannel advertising technology company. Our 2nd quarter numbers show that our strong technology infrastructure, our diversified product portfolio And our agility to keep up with market trends uniquely position us for success. Our strong results are also attributable Our focus on growing profitability and margin expansion as well as implementation of our efficiency measures throughout our business operations. This is coupled with Perion's commitment to innovation and execution of our business plans across our key growth drivers Such as video, CTV and Retail Media, we are fully committed to continue our profitable growth Through product innovation and through acquisitions. Speaker 200:12:06Let's review the quarter's financial highlights. Revenue grew by 22% year over year to $178,500,000 Contribution ex TAC For the quarter, grew by 27% year over year to €77,000,000 Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter Grew by 45% year over year to €41,200,000 GAAP net income increased by 10% year over year to €21,400,000 And non GAAP diluted EPS grew by 65% year over year to CAD0.84 per diluted share. The quarterly revenue clearly show how we are consistently growing our top line year over year. The revenue for the Q2 was €178,500,000 an increase of 22% year over year that reflect A strong continued 2 year tailgate of 28%. Display advertising revenue for the 2nd quarter increased by 22% year over year To RMB 99,400,000 accounting for 56% of total revenue. Speaker 200:13:16Stores revenue increased by 80 4% year over year, representing 21% installed Rota revenue compared with 14% in the Q2 last year. Our Retail Media business continued to accelerate, growing 63% year over year, Accounting for 10% of this advertising revenue versus 8% last year. Video increased by 14% year over year, Representing 41% of this advertising revenue compared with 44% in the Q2 last year. CTV revenue more than doubled compared with the Q2 of 2022, representing 7% of the SLA advertising revenue Versus 4% last year. Search advertising revenue for the 2nd quarter grew by 21% year over year To €79,100,000 44 percent of total revenue, average daily searches During the quarter grew by 68% year over year to 28,600,000. Speaker 200:14:26This was driven by a 28% year over year increase in the number of search advertising publisher to 159 and By increased traffic from existing publishers, RPM has also gradually increased in the comparison with the Q1 of this year. Contribution excluding TAC was $77,000,000 or 43% of revenue compared with 41% of revenue In the Q2 last year, this margin extension was primarily due to improved product mix and also Thanks to media buying airport optimization enabled by leveraging data and buying power as part of our intelligent app. Our continued implementation of efficiency measures, coupled with a focus on growth in high margin business, helped us to generate adjusted EBITDA of 41,200,000, an increase of 45% over the Q2 last year. Adjusted EBITDA margin increased from 19% to 23% this year, While adjusted EBITDA to contribution excluding TAC margin increased from 47% to 54% this year. This dramatic improvement is due to continuous investment in innovation and cost control, resulting In a very strong incremental margin. Speaker 200:15:59On a GAAP basis, 2nd quarter net income was 21,400,000 or 0.43 dollars per diluted share, an increase of 10% compared with 19,500,000 or €0.41 per diluted share in the Q2 last year. GAAP net income includes a fair value adjustment Of the contingent consideration payable with respect to the Videzoo acquisition of 14,600,000 During the quarter, we amended the Videzoo share repurchase agreement as a result of their outstanding performance During the earnout period, our strong cash position and effective cash management generated 5,200,000 Financial income in the second quarter. We also enjoyed an effective tax rate of approximately 15% As a result of our disciplined tax planning, on a non GAAP basis, 2nd quarter net income was 42,100,000 For $0.84 per diluted share, an increase of 72% compared with $24,500,000.51 per diluted share in the Q2 last year. Over the past 3 years, Liron consistently demonstrates our ability to implement efficiency measures throughout our business operations. Non GAAP OpEx and COGS decreased to 20% from revenue compared with 22% in the Q2 last year. Speaker 200:17:36EBITDA per FTE dramatically increased from 56,000 in the 2nd quarter last year To 82,000 this quarter, this impressive improvement in productivity It's a testament to our business strategy execution. This created an efficient operational infrastructure That allows incremental top and bottom line growing at lower cost. 2nd quarter operating cash flow was €47,400,000 compared with €25,700,000 in the Q2 of 2022. This strong operating cash flow Was driven by strong collection in the 2nd quarter. They included an 8,000,000 customer collection That shifted from March to April this year. Speaker 200:18:29As of June 30, 2023, our cash and cash equivalents, Short term bank deposit and marketable securities increased from 436,000,000 at the end of the first quarter To €483,000,000 at the end of the second quarter. We are encouraged by the strong results We achieved in the first half of the year. And therefore, we are raising our 2023 annual guidance To reflect increased profitability and margin expansion, our new revenue guidance represent a 16% year over year growth At the midpoint, adjusted EBITDA is expected to grow at least 26% year over year. This concludes my financial overview. We'll be happy to answer any of your questions. Speaker 200:19:21Operator, the stage is yours. Speaker 300:19:26Thank you. The floor is now open. The first question is coming from Laura Martin of Needham and Company. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:20:01Good morning. Can you guys hear me okay? Speaker 100:20:04Yes. Yes. Good morning. Speaker 400:20:06Great. Good morning, Tal. Welcome to the top seat. So what I'm interested in learning from you is you've been sitting in the search seat for the last 5 years. I'm interested as CEO, what you want to achieve in search over the next 2 or 3 years and what you want to achieve in the other half of the business you haven't run-in the past over the next 3 years, please. Speaker 100:20:28Absolutely. Absolutely, sir. Thanks for joining me. Thanks for asking the question. So On search, we obviously are looking to grow. Speaker 100:20:38We're increasing the number of publishers through that, the number Searches and we are constantly looking for more and more strategic publishers to be added to our network. And on the other side, on the advertising side, the display side, we're constantly investing, as you saw in the presentation, in other verticals. So to expand our display advertising solution into other verticals such as retail. And all of that is going to be through Investment in technology and so that's the organic part and M and As. So we're constantly looking to add more and more technologies and more and more companies, and that's the goal, to Keep increasing both sides. Speaker 400:21:29Fantastic. And then my second question is on generative AI. I know you guys are using Microsoft Cloud and Generative AI, you're integrating that into your products. Can you talk about your roadmap over the next 2 or 3 years and how you think about using generative AI to make your products better, please? Speaker 100:21:47Yes, absolutely. So without going Too many details on specific features, we're investing heavily in generative AI. Again, as you saw on the presentation, creating thousands of permutations for each in each ad Based on data, so one person in a specific location will get a specific ad or another location will get a different ad. And we're now adding another layer of the generative AI to add brand safety because generative AI keeps Randomly create images. So we want to make sure it's a brand safe environment. Speaker 100:22:29Nothing So nothing would be broken on those images. So that's another layer that we're investing in. And again, I think through the year, we're going to Show more and more things that we're releasing. Don't want to ruin the surprise, but we are working on a few pretty incredible things. Speaker 400:22:53Thank you very much. Speaker 100:22:55Thank you. Speaker 300:22:58Thank you. The next Question is coming from Andrew Maroc of Raymond James. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:23:04Hello. Thank you for And Tal, again, welcome to the seats. First question for me, wanted to dig a little bit deeper on the search volume I know we saw some comp issues from pricing strength this time last year, but does that account for The entirety of the revenue per query decline, I mean, I know you're also growing publishers at a good clip. Are there any characteristics or Attribute to the new publishers coming on that could affect that volume versus pricing situation? Speaker 100:23:36No. So let's divide it into 2 parts, So we're in charge of adding publishers, which are adding searches. That's our side. Price, the economic unit of what we call RPMs, which is per 1,000 searches, That's not based on us. That's based on the economic condition, advertising budgets. Speaker 100:24:01Those are things that are not based on our ability to control. And this is why we're not focused on RPMs because we can't control that. That's The economic conditions, we're focusing on adding more and more publishers, which are going to add more and more searches. That's the game here. Speaker 500:24:20Okay. And then, on the margin side, another really good margin quarter. It seems that you have another a number of tech focused opportunities in front of you, whether it's building out the CTV and Retail Media businesses, Expanding and enhancing sort in Ihub, to say nothing of, for instance, the generative AI opportunities that are yet to come that you've talked about. R and D spend was down again Q over Q in absolute dollars in 2Q. So how do you think about that tech and product investment? Speaker 500:24:49Is there room to maybe devote more spend since you're running at such high margins? Speaker 200:24:54Do you want to take that? Yes. So first, we are Taking this advantage to be competitive and to be able to keep the good momentum and to make sure that we are attractive and we can definitely Share this great margin also with our partners and our customers. This is first and I agree with you and we agree with you that As we have a very good margin on the growth, we're talking about 43%. On the net, this is above 50%. Speaker 200:25:27So we have definitely margin that we can translate into investment that will help us to keep The great momentum when thinking about 2025, 2026 with different investment, this is something that is happening. Of course, Part of what we have today on the R and D include investment, but more to come and this is more a long term plan that We are definitely adapting with the flexibility that we have based on our current financials. Speaker 500:25:56Thanks for taking my questions. Speaker 100:25:58Thank you. Speaker 300:26:02Thank you. The next question is coming from Jason Helfstein of Oppenheimer. Please go ahead. Jason, please make sure you've unmuted your line. Speaker 600:26:15Hey, can you hear me now? Speaker 100:26:17Yes. Speaker 600:26:18Thanks. Doing 2 calls at once. Okay. So two questions. So retail media has become 10% of ad revenue very quickly. Speaker 600:26:26What's your incremental value add versus other solutions in the market? And where do you think the mix goes over the next 18 months? And then second, cash continues to grow. What's the catalyst to do an acquisition? And if you're not finding something that's meeting your targets, Would you consider share buybacks? Speaker 600:26:45Thanks. Speaker 100:26:47Thanks for the question. So first of all, retail media, I think The name of the game there is data. So once you connect your systems to the retail data, It's within the house. So you can create more and more campaign and that continues to grow. As opposed to other segments in Online advertising as a whole, retail media is a lot more stickier. Speaker 100:27:13So we predict that this will continue to grow. As for the other question, M and As, We're aiming to become even bigger at our revenue, at our growth. So we definitely need to buy companies. We're growing organically, as you can see. Retail is organically, CTV is organically. Speaker 100:27:34We didn't buy companies to that. But if we want to continue To grow even faster for that, we're looking for M and As. Again, M and As at those specific verticals It's very attractive for us, so CTV, out of home, maybe some technological components for retail media. Those are the companies we're looking at, And that's our main focus, to use that to continue to grow. So that's our fuel for our continued growth. Speaker 300:28:14Jason, Thank you. The next question is coming from Mark Kelley of Stifel. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:28:31Hey, great. Good morning, everybody. Thanks for taking the questions. I wanted to focus on CTV. Obviously, very nice growth Outpaced in the industry, anything you would call out there that's stood out in terms of whether it's ad units or that potentially creative that outperforms Relative to the rest of it. Speaker 700:28:50And then second on the search side, totally get that you guys are continuing to add publishers. Your growth outpaced the growth At Microsoft or at least the segment that search would fall into. Can we also read into that a bit I assume that maybe Bing is a smaller contributor. I know you're adding search partners as well. Thank you. Speaker 100:29:15Okay. So CTV, we don't have a breakdown for Creative, but CTV is really growing. Live CTV It's a great growth engine for us. We're using Live CTV on sports events, Especially now that people are using are looking at more live events as opposed to content We know about whatever's going out in Hollywood with fresh content. So live CTV is definitely solving that. Speaker 100:29:50And that's the CTV part. What was the other question, Serge? Speaker 700:29:57Yes, Serge, Let's separate the adding publisher side. Can we assume that also your other search partners are maybe mixing up and becoming a bigger part of That segment for you. Speaker 100:30:10Yes. So again, we're working with more than 1 search partner. Obviously, Microsoft is the biggest one here, but we constantly work with More partners to diversify through different countries, different devices. So we definitely have a mix. Speaker 700:30:35Okay. Thank you. Speaker 100:30:37Thank you. Speaker 300:30:42Thank you. The next question is coming from Jason Schmidt of Lake Street. Please go ahead. Speaker 800:30:47Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. And sorry, I missed it. But on the search side, it continues to be strong on the publisher growth. Do you see continued publisher growth over the next 12 months or does it cool off? Speaker 100:31:03We work at full speed ahead to add more and more publishers. We don't see any slow In the amount of publishers we're adding, so from the visibility we have now, it seems like it's going to continue growing. Speaker 800:31:21Okay, great. And then just as a follow-up, Tal, any areas you'll be focused on to a greater And as far as people, process or product development? Speaker 500:31:32Sure. Speaker 100:31:35I think technology is what drives all parts of digital advertising. So we're going to kind of focus Really hard on technology, AI. We have 2 teams of AI here, 1 for the supply part, 1 for the demand part. We constantly Invest more and more in that, and we're constantly looking to add more technologies into all our businesses, all our All our activities, for example, adding more data features to our retail activity. So strengthening what we do now and adding more things, that's our focus. Speaker 800:32:17Okay, perfect. Thanks a lot guys. Speaker 100:32:20Thank you. Speaker 300:32:22Thank you. The next question is coming from Jeff Martin of ROTH. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:32:28Great. Thanks. Good afternoon, guys. Wanted to ask a Speaker 900:32:32couple more questions around search. The first is, how does Growth in international markets compared to say the U. S. And North America, I know with the renewed partnership But from being a while back, international expansion was a big part of that. And then secondly, Are you seeing any noticeable impact from Chegg GPT with respect to Microsoft Bing? Speaker 100:32:58Yes. So we've added a lot more countries with the new agreements we've signed 2 years ago. But still, the majority Our business with Microsoft is in the U. S, but we do have a lot of activities across Europe. And It's definitely a good addition that we have those countries. Speaker 100:33:22Now on the CTPT part, I think we all agree that generative AI is the future of the Internet, not just advertising. Having said that, I think it's really early days to see how this moves forward and in what way. From our conversation with Microsoft, we have a great belief in Microsoft Advertising that they can make Microsoft Bing even greater And add those features to create stickiness and more engagement, but it's early days. That's Everybody is releasing their own AI chatbot, and it's great. I think this is really driving technology forward. Speaker 100:34:08But at the end of the day, it doesn't drive currently, it doesn't drive a lot of advertising budgets extra advertising budgets. So it's early days. We'll have to wait. Speaker 900:34:20Great. And then for my follow-up question, your Flow through of incremental revenue to EBITDA is about a 40% margin. That's pretty consistent the last 6 quarters. Just curious if you think that's a sustainable flow through rate. And as a second part of that question, Your customer acquisition and media buy costs have come down percent of revenue. Speaker 900:34:46Do you think that trend persists? Speaker 200:34:51So thank you for the question. We definitely always trying to find the area So first for investment, as we get the question before and this is one angle. And the second angle is how we Optimizing first the media buying and based on the fact that we are growing the business and getting more and more opportunities, we can We, the app, can have better margin, but this is something that where we are today with the forty 43% of the second quarter is very much aligned with the product mix of the second quarter. As we're expecting to get to the second half of the year, we're Taking the year to be around 42%. So Q3 will be similar to Q2 and Q4 With the product mix, we will be lower than that. Speaker 200:35:44Again, not dramatic with the number around 40 We sent in Q4. If you're thinking about 2024, again, we are now with model that is very optimized with the app and how we implement it. I will not assume something that is more than that. Once we will and Other things that we are doing, we will reflect it, but currently this is more or less reflects the forecast and our model Speaker 300:36:25Thank you. The next question is coming a follow-up from Mark Kelley of Stifel. Please go ahead. Mr. Kelly, do you have a follow-up? Speaker 700:36:41Didn't realize I was still only 2. Sorry about that. I will ask another one though. On the Sword products, Is there still a plan to maybe monetize that over the long run or do you still see that as something that is just a nice to have And something that brings more advertisements to the platform. Thank you. Speaker 100:37:03Sure. So I think Sword is a bit more than Just nice to have. It's currently, we're using that as a secret sauce to gain more and more Advertising budgets and run campaigns through that and I think the numbers are showing that, that we're gaining It gains traction and pulls more campaigns to Earth, and we'll continue to use it that way. As we think about what is Sword 2.0, where can we take this even further, Maybe more platforms, maybe more countries, maybe more models. But currently, it helps us Speaker 300:37:55Thank you. We're showing no additional questions in queue at this time. Did you have any additional or closing comments today? Speaker 100:38:02Thank you, everyone, for joining us. And hope to see you next time. Speaker 300:38:10Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference. You may disconnect your lines or walk off the webcast at this time and enjoy the rest of your day.Read morePowered by