Premier Q4 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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August 22, 2023

There are 14 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to Premier's Fiscal 4th Quarter and Full Year Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in listen only mode. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Ben Krasinski, Senior Director, Investor Relations.

Operator

Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Thank you, and welcome to Premier's fiscal 2023 4th quarter and full year conference call. Our speakers this morning are Mike Alkire, Premier's President and CEO and Craig McKasson, our Chief Administrative and Financial Officer. Before we get started, I want to remind everyone that our earnings release and the supplemental slides accompanying this conference call Are available in the Investors section of our website at investors. Premierinc.com. Please be advised that management's remarks today contain certain forward looking statements and actual results Could differ materially from those discussed today.

Speaker 1

These forward looking statements speak as of today, and we undertake no obligation to update them. Factors that might affect future results are discussed in our filings with the SEC, including our Form 10 ks, which we expect to file soon. We encourage you to review these detailed Safe Harbor and Risk Factor disclosures. Also, where appropriate, we will refer to adjusted or other non GAAP financial measures such as free cash flow to evaluate our business. Reconciliations of non GAAP financial measures to GAAP financial measures are included in our earnings release, in the appendix of the supplemental slides accompanying this presentation and in our earnings Form 8 ks, which we expect to furnish to the SEC soon.

Speaker 1

I will now turn the call over to Mike Alkire.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Ben. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. Today, we will highlight our progress in our Q4 fiscal year 2023 and update you on our ongoing evaluation of $1,300,000,000 adjusted EBITDA of $499,800,000 264,400,000 And free cash flow that equated to 53% of adjusted EBITDA this fiscal year. These results reflect the agility and dedication of our people in an incredibly fluid healthcare environment. As a team, we are confident in our ability to effectively manage costs and grow Premier through the continued execution of our strategies We are pleased with the continued strength of our member network this year.

Speaker 2

With a 98% GPO retention rate and a 94% technology or SaaS institutional Further, an overwhelming 99% of our C suite members surveyed in recent months believe they are better positioned for the future with Premier by their side. We are moving forward with intention on our recent announcement that the Board and management team are evaluating The recent sale of our non healthcare GPO operations to Omnia Partners for approximately $800,000,000 in cash demonstrates the underlying value of one of many premier businesses that When leveraged, can create significant value that can be reinvested in high return solutions or to return value to stockholders. With the assistance of our outside advisors, our Board and management team continue to evaluate other potential actions to unlock value for our stakeholders. For us, technology enabling healthcare isn't just a nice to have, and Premier continues to lead the market And AI enabled healthcare technology solutions. I'm incredibly proud of the progress we have made this year, and we are laser focused on making transformative We are ensuring on time payments for suppliers and unlocking working capital for providers through AI enabling The entire purchasing to payments process with Remitra.

Speaker 2

It isn't a matter of if, but when the next pandemic may arise. So we have technology enabled the predictability of supply chain shortages with 90% accuracy. We are doubling down on investments in domestic and nearshore manufacturing to ensure resiliency. For years, we have been AI enabling smarter decisions in the workflow of 100 of 1000 of clinicians And are now expanding that offering to help them realize 1,000,000 of dollars of value through accurate coding and documentation. We are also completely disrupting and automating the timely and manual prior authorization process.

Speaker 2

Lastly, our comprehensive network and vast data set are now being used upstream in the innovation process to optimize the lengthy clinical trials process. I'm incredibly pleased that in Q4, our Applied Sciences business signed an end to end clinical trial with 1 of the top 10 largest pharmaceutical companies in the world. Before I turn it over to Craig, I want to pause and recognize Premier team for their tireless work this year, both in terms of their disciplined execution and their compassionate connection to our purpose. Premier employees are the boots on the ground for many of our members' healthcare providers who serve as the heartbeat of their communities. This is especially true during natural and human made disasters, including wildfires and hurricanes.

Speaker 2

These individuals make themselves available 20 fourseven to ensure our members have the resources to respond to and serve their communities. Passion for performance and innovation are 2 of our core values that I've seen demonstrated this year more than ever before. The Premier team recognizes that with change comes great opportunity that makes me incredibly proud and excited for the future of our company. I will now turn the call over to Craig McKasson for a discussion of our operational and financial performance.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Mike. For the Q4 of 2023 and as compared with the same period a year ago, our results were Total net revenue of $340,400,000 which was flat compared to the prior year Supply Chain Services segment revenue 228,100,000, a decrease of 2% and Performance Services segment revenue of 112,300,000 An increase of 4%. In our Supply Chain Services segment, net administrative fees revenue increased 3% from the year ago quarter, driven by growth in both our acute and non acute or continuum of care group purchasing programs. This was primarily due to recovery of member volumes and further penetration of existing member spend. These increases were partially impacted by the following factors.

Speaker 3

1st, the continued normalization of demand And pricing across certain categories, including pharmacy, staffing and personal protective equipment or PPE. 2nd, continued regional variation in patient utilization trends affecting member purchasing and third, An increase in aggregate blended member fee share due to current market dynamics, including the impact from the consolidation of certain member health systems. Within both our acute and continuum of care GPO portfolios, the food category produced another consecutive quarter of strong growth, Primarily driven by increases in volume and the impact of inflation, which was partially offset by the continued normalization of demand and pricing across the other categories previously mentioned. As we look forward, we believe that we still have a significant opportunity to continue to expand and penetrate our member spend as we continue to broaden our GPO contract portfolio With new suppliers and product categories, drive adoption of our high compliance purchasing programs, including SURPASS And Ascend Drive further expand into the largely untapped purchase services category of spend, leveraging technology and analytics through our Conductive business and modernize the healthcare supply chain by leveraging technology and AI enablement from purchasing to payments. In our direct sourcing business, products revenue declined from the year ago quarter due to continued excess market supply And members' and other customers' inventory levels, which contributed to lower demand and pricing in the current year period.

Speaker 3

We believe member inventory levels are returning to more normalized levels, although some members continue to work through excess supply of certain products, which may persist for the next few quarters. Through the ongoing management of this business, we were able to reduce our inventory significantly during 2023, down from the heightened levels associated with helping our members and other customers secure PPE and other critical items during the COVID-nineteen pandemic. In addition, our logistics costs have generally returned to more normalized pre pandemic levels. On the domestic manufacturing front, we are beginning to see some initial uptake in our isolation gown initiative And we are planning to launch our ExamGlove initiative in the Q2 of fiscal 2024. In our Performance Services segment, revenue increased 4% compared with last year's Q4, primarily due to growth in our consulting services And our Adjacent Markets businesses, including Clinical Decision Support and Contigo Health.

Speaker 3

Compared to the prior year, Fiscal 2023 Performance Services revenue of $436,200,000 grew 9% year over year, Including 22% growth in our combined adjacent markets businesses to more than $100,000,000 in revenue. Within our Adjacent Markets businesses, Applied Sciences had another strong year with over 20% revenue growth, reflecting the differentiation of our research ready data set and unique ability to link health systems to industry to help expedite innovation. As we look forward, we remain excited about the future growth potential for this business. Our Contigo Health business also exhibited strong top line growth and expansion in fiscal 2023, creating a stable foundation for future growth. Despite this progress, the ramp, particularly in profitability, is lagging our original expectations As we continue to scale and stand up the program, resulting in a goodwill impairment of 54,400,000 To be clear, we remain very excited about Contigo Health and its long term growth prospects.

Speaker 3

In the years months ahead, we will continue to expand our center of excellence programs With large employers and provide transparent out of network claims pricing management with more than 900,000 contracts Across 4,100,000 locations. We believe this will allow us to deliver growth in each functional area, while also providing comprehensive employee benefit management to health system paybiters and other employers, all while leveraging our existing TPA capabilities. Turning to profitability. GAAP net income was $18,900,000 for the quarter. Adjusted EBITDA increased 8% from the prior year period Due to an increase in supply chain services adjusted EBITDA, which was mainly due to growth in net administrative fees revenue and the benefit of lower logistics costs in our direct sourcing business compared to the prior year period.

Speaker 3

The increase in Supply Chain Services adjusted EBITDA Was partially offset by a quarter over quarter decline in Performance Services adjusted EBITDA. This was mainly due to higher expenses as we continue to invest And growth and scalability, primarily in our adjacent markets businesses. Compared with the year ago quarter, adjusted net income And adjusted earnings per share each increased 11%, primarily as a result of the same items that impacted adjusted EBITDA. From a liquidity and balance sheet perspective, cash flow from operations for full year fiscal 2023 $444,500,000 was flat compared with the prior year. This was primarily impacted by increased net cash Within our direct sourcing business, as we lowered inventory in the current fiscal year and a dividend from a minority investment.

Speaker 3

These items were offset by higher revenue share paid to members. Free cash flow for fiscal 2023 was 264,400,000 Or approximately 53 percent of adjusted EBITDA compared with $260,800,000 for the same period a year ago. The increase was primarily due to a decrease in purchases of property and equipment as we continue to carefully manage overall capital expenditures. From an income tax perspective, our effective tax rate for fiscal 2023 was 26%, which was in the 26% to 27% range we anticipated. From a cash tax rate perspective, We continue to benefit from our August 2020 restructuring and our fiscal 2022 Q2 subsidiary reorganization.

Speaker 3

As a result and consistent with our expectations, the cash tax rate for fiscal 2023 Is estimated to be between 1% to 2%. In fiscal 2024, we expect our cash tax rate to be in the range of 1% to 5%, Excluding the one time impact of cash tax paid on proceeds from the sale of our non healthcare GPO operations, which will be subject to a 25% tax rate. We anticipate our effective tax rate to be in a range of 26 to 28% in fiscal 2024. Cash and cash equivalents totaled 89,800,000 as of June 30, 2023, compared with $86,100,000 as of June 30, 2022. We ended the quarter with an outstanding balance of $215,000,000 on our 5 year $1,000,000,000 revolving credit facility, Of which the full outstanding balance was repaid in July August from the approximately $538,000,000 in cash Received upon the close of the sale of our non healthcare GPO operation.

Speaker 3

We will continue to collect cash from the remaining escrow of $151,000,000 and we expect additional cash proceeds upon completion of a true up in accordance with the purchase agreement later this fiscal year. With respect to the remaining cash proceeds, we currently plan to maintain cash on our balance sheet while we complete our evaluation of strategic alternatives. However, we plan to evaluate The highest return opportunities for eventual use of the proceeds, including reinvestment in the business, acquisitions that enhance the value of the business And returning capital to stockholders via share repurchase. During fiscal 2023, we paid quarterly cash dividends To stockholders totaling $100,200,000 Recently, our Board of Directors declared a dividend of $0.21 per share Payable on September 15, 2023, to stockholders of record as of September 1. As previously announced, given our Board and the management team's ongoing evaluation of potential strategic alternatives, We are not providing our fiscal 2024 outlook or other formal guidance at this time.

Speaker 3

Nevertheless, I would like to provide some high level perspectives on the overall business and discuss how persistent trends we are seeing in the market Will likely impact our business in fiscal 2024. In our Performance Services segment, we continue to focus on our healthcare provider performance improvement While also expanding our presence in adjacent markets with life science companies, suppliers, Employers and payers. In fiscal 2024, we expect over 20% growth at our adjacent markets Businesses, which will contribute to the mid to high single digit revenue growth we anticipate in our Performance Services segment. As I mentioned earlier, our group purchasing business continues to be impacted by market dynamics, including the overall state of the macro environment And the significant cost pressure it has placed on many of our healthcare provider members, the current and future impact from consolidation of member health systems And an always competitive market to retain and win new business. Overall, we expect our GPO business will continue to experience growth In gross administrative fees with the acute side of the business growing in the low to mid single digit range and the continuum of care side growing in the High single digit range prior to any impact related to changes in member fee share.

Speaker 3

However, given the previously mentioned market dynamics, We would expect there to be an increase in member fee share during fiscal 2024, resulting in the aggregate fee share across all members in our GPO, increasing from the current low 50% range to the mid to high 50% range. Turning to our direct sourcing business. Given the ongoing impact of excess market supply and certain member excess inventory levels, We expect nominal growth in products revenue in fiscal 2024. As previously discussed, we implemented a cost savings plan and have lower performance incentive achievement in fiscal 2023 to help achieve our profitability expectations. While some of the cost savings will continue to benefit us in fiscal 2024, we do plan to invest resources in some of our higher growth areas to position the overall business for long term sustainable growth and value creation.

Speaker 3

Finally, with respect to fiscal 2024 expectations, We have determined that we will no longer include equity earnings from our minority investments in our adjusted EBITDA. This change results from the previously disclosed change in our minority investment in FFF Enterprises last quarter. As a result, we expect an additional headwind to adjusted EBITDA in 2024 given the elimination of equity earnings that were included during fiscal 2023. As a reminder, this change will not have an impact On cash flow, consistent with fiscal 2023, we expect to generate free cash flow of 45% to 55% of adjusted EBITDA in fiscal 2024. Before I conclude, I also wanted to take the opportunity to reiterate Mike's appreciation of our Team for their hard work and ongoing commitment as we continue to serve our vital role as a trusted and embedded partner For our healthcare provider members and other customers, our employees are our greatest asset, and we will continue to focus on cultivating A high performing culture and driving employee engagement as we position our business for future growth.

Speaker 3

We appreciate your time today, And we'll now open the call for questions.

Operator

We will now begin the question and answer session. The first question is from Eric Percher of Nephron Research. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Thank you. Maybe to start with the macro, could you give us a perspective on some of the regional volume variability you've Spoken to and whether you've seen changes and catch up in some of the geography or anything that looks like progress?

Speaker 2

Yes. Thanks, Eric. This is Mike. So while we've seen some improvement in utilization overall, as you've just said, it does Continue to vary by geography, with many of our providers not seeing a full return to sort of the pre pandemic level. We do have some data that I guess is probably a quarter or so old that showed some low single digit increases For our acute volumes over the prior year period and then from a non acute stand mid single digit increases over the prior year period.

Speaker 2

So we are seeing just we are seeing the growth come back. But again, it's incredibly regional. Places in Florida and Texas are doing obviously much better And so we'll continue to track that.

Speaker 4

And As we think about the guidance or not guidance, but the directional commentary you've given today, how much of the decision not to have formal guidance is What's going on in the marketplace, difficulty predicting the market versus the limitations on Not knowing where the strategic effort will land you?

Speaker 5

Yes. Eric, this is Craig. It's really the latter. So as we think about the strategic alternatives And potential changes in the complexion of the business, we are just continuing to evaluate and How that could impact our potential expectations. So I wanted to provide perspective, but without issuing guidance.

Speaker 5

One of the examples I would highlight is We did announce our divestiture of the non healthcare GPO operations initially thinking there would be a pretty Significant change in the way that our financial statements would look and then subsequently because of the uniqueness of that transaction it's not having that impact. So we Really just really in discussions with the Board and the management team wanted to get through this about alternatives review and then plan to come out with More formalized guidance post that exercise.

Speaker 4

And last one here, just triangulating all the commentary, Craig, on cash flow, Can you tie together a few of these items relative to free cash flow this year, understanding the net working capital improvement may not Recur and the EBITDA guidance to the percentage of EBITDA, you expect expansion or contraction?

Speaker 5

Yes, I think broadly what I would say when you think about the commentary I provided around 24 expectations based on our current Construction, I would say that there could likely be contraction in overall free cash flow, but again it will continue to be in that 45% to 55% of adjusted

Operator

The next question is from Richard Close of Canaccord Genuity, please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Yes. Thanks for the questions. Craig, I was just can you talk a little bit more about the member fee share and the increases there? And then maybe the timing of renewals from back in the Shoring previously several years ago, just walk us through all that.

Speaker 5

Sure. So I think as I talked about in my prepared remarks, I mean it does continue to A competitive environment, healthcare providers are under tremendous pressure. When we did the restructuring back in 2020, the majority of our members entered into 5, 6, 7 year contracts that did not have termination for convenience or out clauses. Those remain intact. We did have as we previously disclosed a subset of members that Either didn't agree to the restructuring at that point in time or some that actually did maintain the ability to go to market or do renegotiations at points in time.

Speaker 5

So as we've done those, we have seen some pressure on fee share. In some limited circumstances, We have seen members that actually subject to a fixed firm contract have been willing to entertain a renewal process and so that has With the GPO and things of that nature as we move forward. So all of those characteristics are what are causing our 24 fee share to likely increase from The current low 50s up to the mid to high 50% range that I disclosed.

Speaker 6

Okay. That's helpful. And then, with respect to the applied Sciences, maybe a little bit more detail on the clinical trial win that you highlighted and Really the opportunity for growth in that adjacent market would be helpful.

Speaker 2

Yes, this is Mike. So let me just give a broader sort of perspective of what we've been doing in the clinical trial space. So I think you're well aware, we have significant amounts of data. And obviously, in partnership with our health systems, We're able to offer sort of this real world evidence kind of capability to Life Science Organizations as well as Medical Devices. I think a couple of very, very unique things About our offering, first, we're able to sort of flip the funnel.

Speaker 2

If you think about it in terms of identifying patients for Trials, where we're using our AI capability in looking at the unstructured data. And we can look at inclusion and exclusion criteria before we actually select the site and the physician investigator. So That sort of is a reverse of what actually happens today where many times a site picked and then a physician investigator is picked. So we can sort of flip that funnel. So I think that life science and medical device see that is something very, very interesting.

Speaker 2

As far as some Interesting things we've been up to in the market. We have been doing some things from a Phase 4 study standpoint, where we're creating Synthetic control arm. So what that allows is it allows for us not to have the whole placebo Kind of comparators. And so when you're able to do that using data and those kinds of things, it becomes a lot more And obviously incredibly accurate given that we have the data that we have. So we're really excited about Those 2 disruptive opportunities in the real world evidence space for these trials.

Speaker 6

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

The next question is from Kevin Caliendo of UBS. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Thanks and thanks for taking my question. The inventory level comment is similar to what you had said last quarter. I'm just trying to, I guess, understand if you've seen any easing of the inventory levels in the channel Quarter over quarter, you said, I think in the next few quarters, you expect it to abate a little bit. Maybe a little more color there on what you're seeing and maybe what products are still sort of clogging up the channels or inventory levels?

Speaker 5

Sure. Kevin, this is Craig. I'll start and then Mike can add any additional perspective. So we definitely have seen improvement. We are seeing the levels Come down and ordering patterns start to return.

Speaker 5

But there are some members, which was my commentary, that are continuing to hold on to a lot of excess inventory that they Just at points in time, the primary things being gowns, I would say, and then some glove activity that they had purchased up during the pandemic as well. But the overall theme is that we are seeing it improve. It's just not all the way out and so we think that we will continue to see it through the first half likely of fiscal 2024.

Speaker 7

And can you size the magnitude of this like normal ordering patterns for these categories versus what we're seeing? Is it like 10%, 20% impact. Is there any way to quantify it in any sort of way, shape or form

Speaker 5

for what it is now? Yes. We Really wish we could. It does vary by provider. So I don't have an overall kind of aggregate I would provide you.

Speaker 5

I would say generally it is Getting back, it's probably to the 85% to 90% level of where it used to be, getting back to where it needs to be, but it's just not all the way there yet with some of the members That really did over procure some of that stuff at the height of the pandemic.

Speaker 7

Helpful. And on the fee share, Can we this increased from low to mid-50s to mid to high-fifty range. That's helpful to understand. Should we now think about the fact All of your members, generally speaking, are I don't want to say locked up, but are you going to be partners with for at least the next couple of years Through 2025 or 2026?

Speaker 5

I mean, broadly, I would say, yes. I think generally speaking, there could be consolidation, Which can create a situation where members have an opportunity to go to market or renegotiate. We do have a number of members that are not part of our historical restructuring that just always come up contracts over a regular waterfall period. So we'll have to evaluate those, although typically those are already at a place that we wouldn't see the sort of changes that we've been talking about. And then obviously we'll continue to recruit in the marketplace for new members.

Speaker 5

But broadly I would say yes that our existing member Absent sort of unique circumstances is in place through the time period that was contracted at the time of the restructuring.

Speaker 7

Great. Thank you so much. Thank you.

Operator

The next question is from Eric Coldwell of Baird. Please go ahead.

Speaker 8

Thanks very much. I was hoping for some more discussion on the modeling of the Omnia transaction. Several questions here. First, could you talk about the $111,000,000 true up adjustment to purchase Price expected in 8 months, what are the puts and takes on that? How will the and when will the $151,000,000 escrow be released over time.

Speaker 8

And then, I think there are some unique model dynamics on the balance sheet, Amortization of a debt treatment over 10 years and also interest expense, imputed interest expense impacts, things like that. There just Seems like we could use some more help on the modeling dynamics of this unique transaction. Thank you.

Speaker 5

Sure, Eric. This is Greg. So the The 111,000,000 or 100 plus 1,000,000 or so of true up is a function of relooking The baseline fees as of the close date, so when we closed the transaction in August, it was based on a look back back a number of months. So when we get forward, we will look The actual revenues that came in the door through the close date and then we'll have the multiple applied to that. So based on our expectations and monitoring, we believe that will be the additional proceeds that will come in at that point in time.

Speaker 5

So that's the first question. The second question on the escrow balance, we actually are receiving payments Weekly as we go through the next couple of months. So we've already seen a couple of payments reducing that $151,000,000 down, so that's progressing as the conversations with members to get their consents takes place and feeling good about how those Consents are going and the cash flow is coming in to relieve that escrow. Number 3, Relative to the balance sheet and the debt balance, again, we the proceeds that we received were recorded as debt on the balance sheet. That will be relieved over the term of the 10 year channel partnership agreement that we have as we report revenue With Omnia's activity, so each quarter we will get the level of purchasing and administrative fee generation that comes from Those members that will relieve the debt balance and as talked about previously, we'll get an incremental 30% of Revenue associated with growth above the baseline at this time of the close.

Speaker 5

And then I'll have to actually I don't have it at my fingertips. I apologize, but we'll be happy to follow-up on the specifics around the imputed interest level. It's a low level imputed interest given the debt on the balance sheet, but I don't have those specifics at my fingertips. So we will have to follow-up with that.

Speaker 8

Craig, if I might, two quick follow ups. The debt, is that going to show up in a new line item? Where should we be? Should we be building in a new model line item for this debt specific item?

Speaker 5

It will be a single standalone line item on Yes.

Speaker 8

And then final one, there also is the transition of the associated free cash flow to Omnia, I believe. So that is one of the headwinds to your free cash flow conversion rate in fiscal 2024, is it not? And if so, can you tell us what that Magnitude might be in terms of thinking about modeling the free cash flow impact?

Speaker 5

Yes. To your point that we will now have that revenue that will not Cash flow associated with it because we received that cash flow initially at the time of the transaction.

Speaker 8

So could you tell us ballpark what that Headwind is in fiscal 'twenty four what you expect it to be?

Speaker 5

I'll need to follow-up specifically based on because it will depend based On the growth that Omnia has, I'll go back we'll come back to you, Eric, with the specifics on the amount.

Speaker 8

Yes. Thank you very much.

Operator

The next question is from Alan Lutz of Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Speaker 9

Thanks for taking the questions. One for Craig. Can you bifurcate the relative growth rates you're seeing in the acute and the non acute GPO programs? And you mentioned There is market growth and then there is growth from further penetration. Can you break those 2 out?

Speaker 9

Thanks.

Speaker 5

Yes. So I think as I talked about and Mike mentioned, what we're continuing to see in the acute part of the business is recovery at Kind of low single digit level, year over year and then non acute is growing more at the mid to high single digit level, and expectations that will continue into 4, low to mid single digit growth in acute, overall gross activity and high single digit in the non acute. In terms of market dynamics versus penetration, I don't have a specific breakout, but I would tell you that the majority of our growth comes From continuing to drive same store growth through contract penetration.

Speaker 9

Great. And then last one for me. On the health system Consolidation, can you talk about how that's impacting the business this year versus maybe 1, 2 or 3 years ago? Is it sort of a similar Impact to the business or is it getting weaker or stronger? Thanks.

Speaker 5

Yes. What I would highlight is that in fiscal 20 20 There was a very large merger of 2 of our significant members with the Advocate Health merger. So I wouldn't say that the overall activity is Changing dramatically year to year, but I do think at points in time the size and the magnitude of potential combinations can have A more significant impact 1 year over the other. So we'll have to see as we look forward, which is why it's We don't know who could be in conversations and what could happen, but the Advocate Health merger, again, while both of them are Premier members and continue to be committed to Premier engaged with us in a lot of ways. It did have implications given the economics of those two accounts were different historically.

Speaker 3

Thank you.

Operator

The next question is from A. J. Rice of Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.

Speaker 10

Hi, everybody. Thanks for reviewing the history on the contract restructuring period. A lot of those contracts would seem to be coming up for renewal in the 'twenty five to 'twenty seven timeframe. Obviously, our modeling Doesn't necessarily go out that far, but if you're in a strategic review process and people are trying to figure out What the long term value of the entity is, it seems like to me they've got to have a view on what's going to happen in that 25 to 27 Time period in terms of fee share changes or churn. I think in the investment community, it's sort of perceived to be an open ended question, but maybe you have a better perspective.

Speaker 10

I wonder if there's any I don't expect you to quantify At this point, but do you feel like as you're talking to people about different opportunities under the strategic review, You can give them some parameters so they can assess what that looks like?

Speaker 2

Yes. Just this is Mike. Just a couple of things. And I think, AJ, you can appreciate this. It's challenging to predict what's going to happen 2 to 4 years from now, I mean, especially as it relates to healthcare, especially as we're coming out of a pandemic, It's just one of those things that's really tough for us to like put our arms around.

Speaker 2

Having said that, there's a whole bunch of stuff that we continue to say. And Albeit, Craig talked quite a bit about the pressures on the fee share from the macro environment and the different consolidation issues and some of those things Our focus has always been the technology enabled supply chain, right? And so what that means is We want to continue to expand really the top line revenue, that gross admin fee number. We think there is incredible opportunity in In the purchase service space, in the non acute space, we do believe our ReMittra offering is going to play a Pretty significant role in terms of creating additional value for our healthcare systems. So And just an answer to your question just in general, it is really hard for us given the puts It takes to put specific numbers out 2, 3, 4, 5 years from now.

Speaker 5

Yes. And this is Craig. The only thing I think I would

Speaker 10

add, A. J, is that consistent with what

Speaker 5

we have told the marketplace, And with what we have told the marketplace, the market dynamics are challenging. There could be pressure on C Share in the future And that's something we are continuing to evaluate. We have strategies to, as Mike described, to try and mitigate that as much It's possible, but that's something that has been a dynamic in the marketplace we've been consistently referencing.

Speaker 10

Okay. Maybe my follow-up question. I'll take the bait on the comment you made in the prepared remarks when you said you're leveraging AI From purchasing to payments, looking at all the opportunities, maybe because we hear AI thrown around a lot, are there some specific Things that you're using that for today to make the business more efficient or otherwise yield economics to you?

Speaker 2

Yes. So a couple of different things and Lee is here as well and Lee can certainly jump in with any other additional commentary. But I think what's really unique in that space is sort of the optical character recognition stuff that we're doing on the invoicing And really bringing a great deal of meaning to that. So today, a lot of manual effort from an Ian, Voicing standpoint, we do think that we have some pretty unique algorithms sitting on our technologies They can actually automate a lot of those manual processes from a pricing accuracy standpoint, which is a Significant burden for the healthcare system. So that's one example.

Speaker 2

Lee, I'm not sure if you have additional thoughts.

Speaker 11

I'll just piggyback on what Mike said. There's a concept called computer vision, which is a field of artificial intelligence that enables computers and To sort of look at digital images, it's sort of like the next generation of OCR, optical character recognition that Mike was talking about. We've been able to effectively Use that to drive invoice recognition and we're trying to manage price for our members and that's really where we're driving down on the artificial

Operator

The next question is from Jack Wallace of Guggenheim Securities. Please go ahead.

Speaker 12

Hi, this is John Park on for Jack. I was wondering if you could comment on the competitive dynamics in the GPO markets and if it changed since last quarter and if there's any market share shift to call out.

Speaker 2

Yes, this is Mike. Just in general, I'll tell you, we've had a couple of nice wins over the last couple of quarters. As you know, these are very long term sort of propositions when you're I feel really good about the funnel. I was actually in a call a couple of calls over the last couple of weeks With some new prospects, I do think our technology is a very, very significant differentiation Along the lines of what Lee and I spoke to, in terms of driving more efficiency, getting accurate pricing and I think it's just all additive to our ability to continue to drive to get the most value from For our health systems to get the best value price in the market. And then obviously, I think organizations So very, very intrigued with what we're doing with our whole vertical integration strategy and looking at ways to create more resilient supply chain.

Speaker 2

Looking at contract manufacturing for products here domestically as well as offshore. So those messages are being Incredibly well received to the market and more to come as this year progresses.

Speaker 12

Got it. And could you give us any update on the RYMITHRA and maybe the relative pace of adoption between health system and suppliers?

Speaker 2

Yes. I would say that we are back on track in terms of our areas of focus in terms Getting the adoption, we have mentioned this in the past, many of our largest health systems are actually using the technology For various functions in their whole e invoicing process, what we're Attempting to do is to bring all that utilization of that product to a network, trying to pull all these health systems Together, a more broad network from an invoicing standpoint. So that's still Sort of underway. As it relates to the supplier side, again, it is we're continuing to work We've had some success with some of the very, very large multinational companies in terms of their But more to come over the course of the next couple of quarters as we continue to build out that offering.

Speaker 12

Great. And lastly, are you seeing any uptick in PPE demand this quarter or related to the uptick in COVID cases?

Speaker 5

I wouldn't say we've seen a real uptake due to COVID cases per se, but as I mentioned earlier, we are seeing recovery in ordering patterns come back On PPE broadly, but I haven't specifically heard it tied to actual COVID cases. Although, as an example, I did hear just yesterday it in New York some of the facilities are mandating masking and something that again, some of those situations again, so something we need to keep an eye on.

Speaker 12

Great. Thank you, team.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

The next question is from Jessica Tassen of Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.

Speaker 13

Hi. Thank you guys for taking the questions. So I was wondering within Supply Chain Services, What was the adjusted EBITDA margin profile of the direct sourcing business in FY2023? And then just Would you expect that to kind of remain stable in 2024 or retreat back to low single digit or breakeven in 2024?

Speaker 5

Yes. So broadly, for our direct sourcing business, again, we've typically talked about it being effectively a very low margin business on an EBITDA basis. So it did retract a little bit from 'twenty two when we had elevated purchasing levels due to the pandemic, But did have low single digit EBITDA margins in the Q4 for that business. I think as we look forward, moving forward, would continue to expect it to be gross margins, not EBITDA, but gross margins in the high single digit To low double digit range and then adjusted EBITDA to continue to be in that low to mid single digit range.

Speaker 13

Got it. That's helpful. Can you help us understand what the admin fee share back rate For the non healthcare GPO looks like maybe on an absolute basis or even on a relative to the healthcare GPO?

Speaker 5

Yes. What I would say broadly, not getting into specifics, is that clearly large integrated health systems, acute providers have more leverage and scale. So we We typically see higher fee share with acute care health systems than we have broadly in the non acute market. I think that would extend to the non health

Speaker 13

Got it. And then just based on the incremental liability, does that imply that the non healthcare GPO did about $65,000,000 of net Admin fee revenue in FY 'twenty three versus the prior $57,000,000 expectation?

Speaker 5

We are still in terms of the true up, I was talking about this earlier that we'll wait to see that non healthcare piece in order to actually determine what the true up Payment is, we would expect it to be higher, yes. I don't have a specific number to quote though, Jessica, in terms of where it came in.

Speaker 13

Got it. And my last question is just, is your decision to invest in the Performance Services business kind of motivated by your strategic conversation? Basically just interested to know if you're making these investments because you're confident there's a strategic alternative for this business. And then To the extent that you can share, where should those investments show up and what's the magnitude? Thank you guys again.

Speaker 5

Yes. Thanks, Jessica, this is Craig. I'll start and then Mike can add color. So the decisions to continue to invest in the adjacent markets and the growth opportunities in Performance Services, I would not say is tied to our strategic alternatives. It is an ongoing consistent diversification strategy that we've had for that business To actually look for opportunities and find sweet spots where there are other profit pools or markets with life sciences, employers, Payers and suppliers in the case of RYMITRA, where we can actually extend things that we're doing for the benefit of providers, but also provide benefit for those other And there are growth opportunities there to actually scale those businesses to deliver greater revenue in the future.

Speaker 5

As we've indicated, the 20 plus percent revenue growth in the adjacent markets that we're experiencing versus the more low to mid single Growth in the provider landscape. And so that's the reason that we're making those investments. And then in terms of the areas, the focus continues To be the applied sciences arena and as Mike described the things that we're doing from a real world evidence standpoint and the ability to help Change the way that portions of clinical trials are delivered in the marketplace. Clinical decision support as we continue to look for opportunities to automate prior and actually create efficiency in the system for both providers and payers through eliminating a lot of the manual effort and the Clinical resource needs that actually take a lot of time and effort in that particular space. And then in Contigo Health, as we continue to look to do the build out of the national network for pay riders, those are the real three primary areas.

Speaker 5

Ramitra, as we talked about last 2 quarters ago, we sort of have reset and we'll continue to be balanced in the way we think about making incremental investments in that

Speaker 2

Yes. Jessica, the only other build I'll add is that we sit in a very unique space Healthcare in that we've got these very, very strong healthcare system partners and we love to innovate right alongside of them. We have committee structures that allow for us to understand what their business issues are and then for us to build on capabilities and technologies and services to The way they provide services. In that same spirit, because oftentimes as we work with many suppliers from a GPO standpoint, both Medical Devices and Pharmaceuticals. As we're in those business line discussions, we're understanding what the issues are that those organizations are dealing with as well And are able to work with them to think through, are there additional capabilities that we should be building out that could potentially be an exciting profit pool for us to invest in.

Speaker 2

So I want to continue to drive that level of innovation just because we sit where we sit in healthcare and I do think it's very, very unique

Operator

This concludes our question and answer session and Premier's fiscal 2023 4th quarter and full year earnings conference call. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.

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