Clover Health Investments Q2 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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August 8, 2023

There are 7 speakers on the call.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, good afternoon, and welcome to the Clover Health Second Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A question and answer session will follow the prepared remarks. As a reminder, today's call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to Ryan Schmidt, Investor Relations for Clover Health.

Operator

Please go ahead, sir.

Speaker 1

Good afternoon, everyone.

Speaker 2

Joining me on

Speaker 1

our call today to discuss the company's 2nd quarter results These are Andrew Toy, Clover Health's Chief Executive Officer and Scott Loeffler, the company's Chief Financial Officer. You can find today's press release and the accompanying supplemental slides A replay will be available in the Investor Relations section of the Clover Health website. I'd also like to caution you that we may make forward looking To differ materially from expectations are detailed in our SEC filings, including in the Risk Factors section of our most recent Annual Report on Form 10 and other SEC filings. Information about non GAAP financial measures referenced, including a reconciliation of those GAAP measures can be found in the earnings materials available on our website. With that, I'll now turn the call over to Andrew.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Ryan, and thanks everyone for joining us. Today, we reported very strong results that represent another significant milestone In our rapid journey towards sustained profitability, on an adjusted EBITDA basis, Q2 was our first Profitable quarter as a public company. Adjusted EBITDA was $10,000,000 driven primarily by outperformance in our Insurance segment. Our strong performance is the result of the strategic initiatives that we began to implement in 2022 and is a testament to the strength of our holistic approach of delivering Clover Assistant powered care wherever our members need it from our wide network PCPs to directly in the home via our home care We've been laser focused on our strategies to achieve meaningful sustained profitability, and I believe that this last Focusing first on our insurance business, we reported segment revenue of $314,000,000 representing an increase of 17% compared to Q2 of last year. The segment also reported its best ever MCR as a public company At 77.2 percent for the quarter, there is favorable prior period development in Q2, most of which is related to Q1.

Speaker 3

This is due to our appropriately conservative Q1 modeling of our in flight improvement initiatives, resulting in PPD When real world performance exceeds that modeling and is booked into Q2. Given our focus on continual improvement this year, We may indeed see more of this type of favorable PPD as the year progresses based on more realized opportunities from our active initiatives. Within our MA plan operations, we continue to focus on optimizing a number of areas, including updates to our bid pricing, refined network management and increased investment in our payment integrity functions. Of note, Clover Assistance continues to be a clear value driver In our wide primary care network, contributing well over 1,000 basis points of MCR improvement for returning members whose PCPs use Clover Assistance as compared to those who do not. We have also been continually launching CA features and believe Developing the capabilities of our in home care practice, Clover Home Care, to help manage the needs of our sickest members.

Speaker 3

As a reminder, Clover Home Care is free to the member and delivers primary care house calls from our doctors and nurses. We're also seeing increased enrollment of end of life members in our palliative care and hospice programs. As I mentioned, we are constantly looking to improve our capabilities in all of these areas, and we expect to see more and more of their effects lag in our planned economics as we proceed through the year. I'd also like to note that the results we've reported this year for our MA business are even more remarkable when you consider the makeup of our Medicare Advantage book as our membership has a greater percentage of members who are considered low income as Compared to other similar plans, studies have shown that this population generally has a higher disease burden and also have difficulty accessing appropriate care. We believe that our ability to comprehensively support this population While still delivering sustainable economics demonstrates the power of our technology centric model to support health equity.

Speaker 3

CMS has recognized the importance of plans like ours that have prioritized health equity and has made adjustments to the star rating system for future years. While this won't affect the current star cycle, we support the changes CMS is making and look forward to what we believe will be favorable tailwinds Turning now to growth. Against the backdrop of our strong performance in the first half of twenty twenty three, Our 2024 bid strategy focuses on our core markets, where we look to leverage our regional scale and accelerate CA penetration amongst our membership. Our core markets have driven our overall performance so far this year and we still maintain plenty of room to increase our market share. Overall, we see our Clover long term growth advantage as the ability to sustain strong performance in the popular PPO market, Because rather than rely on network contracting to manage care, we use Clover Assistant to dynamically manage care protocols.

Speaker 3

We believe other plans like the technology and infrastructure to drive this level of agility and without it, we'll find it difficult to maintain a sustainable PPO, which will generally force them to pull back on their bids as they look to compete with our software powered approach. The attractiveness and marketability of PPOs is evident, so we're well positioned to flip the switch back to growth once we establish sustained profitability. Looking ahead for insurance, we remain focused on the activities that are driving real value for the company like growing Clover Home Care and increasing Clover Assistant coverage. In addition, we're not going to be resting on our laurels and are I'll dig into more detail on these in the future, but we believe these efforts will build on the momentum of our first half results As we continue to prioritize profitability in our insurance business by growing revenue, managing Medex while improving care And reducing adjusted SG and A. These are our key levers to reaching long term profitability.

Speaker 3

Lastly, for our non insurance segment, we remain optimistic about our ability to, among other things, Provide Clover Assistant as a risk taking technology partner to providers. For Q2, the non insurance segment delivered an MCR of 99.6% on revenue of $194,000,000 We continue to see this as a gross margin positive segment and are making investments to drive increased value and profitability over the long term. As we've said in the past, this line of business also offers the potential for various While our focus since last year has been getting this area right sized in terms of total amount of risk, we think this will be a very exciting area going forward. More to come here. Now, I'll turn it over to Scott for a more detailed financial update.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Andrew. I'll first cover the Q2 financial highlights and then Our improved outlook for full year 2023. As Andrew mentioned, adjusted EBITDA improved from a loss of of $10,000,000 in Q2 of this year, driven by contributions from both lines of business and a reduction in adjusted SG and A relative to the prior year period. For our insurance segment, MCR improved to 77.2% in Q2 from 92.1 percent in Q2 of last year, building on the strong momentum we had to start the year. The 2nd quarter result does include some prior But most of that prior period favorability related to Q1 of this year.

Speaker 2

Similarly, our year to date MCR 81.9 percent contains only minimal PPD. MCR performance was primarily driven by revenue growth of 17% in Q2 to $314,000,000 and 16% growth year to date to $632,000,000 There has been significant discussion in the market recently regarding utilization levels in our space. We're seeing only modest increases in medX on a PMPM basis With PMPM medical expenses up by 2% for the 2nd quarter and 3% for the year to date period, both relative to their comparable prior year period. As Andrew said, we are always focused on initiatives to bend the medical cost curve over time, including operational enhancements, Updates to our planned product design and network, investing more in our payment integrity capabilities, clinical initiatives from the home care business and the increasing impact from CA. We believe these efforts are likely helping moderate the impact of any adverse macro medical expense headwinds.

Speaker 2

Like our Q1 results, our Q2 performance was also favorably impacted by being paid on 3.5 stars for our PPO plan this year. At a high level, I would say that the sub change improvement in revenue performance, complemented by our well managed medical cost environment, Encourages us that the first half strength is sustainable. We'll continue into the second half of twenty twenty three and we believe positions us for adjusted EBITDA profitability for full year 2024. Our non insurance segment revenue declined 67% versus the prior year period to $194,000,000 primarily driven by our previously discussed strategic focus on a narrower group of participant providers. Our non insurance MCR in the 2nd quarter was 99.6% with a year to date MCR of 97.8%.

Speaker 2

That performance represents a significant improvement from an MCR of 106% in Q2 of last year and 102.9% for the June year to date period in 2022. These results were in line with our expectations for the quarter. Given the typical lag in data from PMF under the program, which created variability in expectations throughout last year, We are maintaining a conservative approach to this segment. 2nd quarter adjusted SG and A improved to $67,000,000 A reduction of 7% from $72,000,000 during Q2 of 2022. Q2 is the Q1 that we are seeing the impact of some of the cost saving initiatives reported earlier this year.

Speaker 2

I'll note, however, that these savings were contemplated in our previous guidance and that the broader transformation project, our partnership with USC Health Group It's actively underway and most of those benefits will only be realized beginning in early 2024. We remain excited to take advantage of the economies of scale and operational efficiencies that USD Health Group brings. There are a number of transition related work streams that have some impact on our reported financials. And I'll note that we are intentionally accelerating payment Claims and inventory in order to facilitate a more orderly transfer to the UST Health Group ecosystem. One example of how this manifests in our financial statements Is a near term decline in claims outstanding as a higher proportion of our claims have already been cash settled.

Speaker 2

This has resulted in very high payments of Claims and corresponding reduction in cash in Q2. We expect this effect to normalize as we complete the transition and return to a regular Longer claims payment cycle. Turning to the balance sheet, we finished the 2nd quarter with restricted and unrestricted cash, cash equivalents and investments totaling $690,000,000 on a consolidated basis with $299,000,000 the parent entity and unregulated subsidiary level. Our intent is to improve our financial performance to the point where we do not need additional capital and our step change improvement in performance in Q2 It's an important step towards that objective. Having said that, we do continue to consider opportunistic financing to increase liquidity.

Speaker 2

Finally, I'll provide an update to our full year 2023 guidance. We are increasing our revenue guidance for the insurance line of business to between $1,200,000,000 $1,230,000,000 We are also improving insurance FCR guidance to a range of 83% to 85%. We are maintaining our previous non insurance revenue guidance at a range of $750,000,000 to $800,000,000 and MCR of 98% to 100%. We are maintaining our previously issued guidance for adjusted SG and A of between $315,000,000 325,000,000 These changes result in an improved adjusted EBITDA guidance of between negative $70,000,000 And negative $120,000,000 Our continued focus this year on improving MCRs and generating gross profit for both business segments along with initiatives to reduce SG and A and achieve operational efficiencies Should create even more momentum for us heading into 2024. Given our strong performance in the first half of twenty twenty three and our updated expectation for the We now have an even better line of sight to achieving profitability on an adjusted EBITDA basis for full year 2024.

Speaker 2

Our aim is to build on our momentum in order to begin accelerating growth once on the other side of profitability. We look forward to sharing more updates on our efforts as the year progresses. With that, I'll turn the call back to Andrew for some final comments.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Scott. The connected tissue that ties together our Medicare, ACO and home care offerings is our Clover Assistant platform. We believe we have now shown that there's a compelling physician need for our technology and that it delivers a differentiated ability to change the timeline of care by helping physicians with the early identification and management of chronic diseases. We also want to reemphasize that we consider our platform highly differentiated in its level of adoption for software in healthcare, Certainly, for clinical software built by an insurer, our technology is being used by thousands of physicians across our MA plan network, Across our ACO and in our home care practice, the world we live in today is constantly evolving under the umbrella of technology and AI advancements, And that's exactly what makes Clover a fundamentally different healthcare company. Managed Care Organizations We are constantly developing new ways to use that data to improve those outcomes.

Speaker 3

We've recently rolled out a new medication adherence feature that I think is a great example of By linking together Part D and PBM data, Clover Assistant is able to flag to physicians when their patients are not picking up their medications And even with their EHRs and how Clover Assistant can help them quickly improve care by sharing those data insights in an actionable way. We've also recently shared a research white paper highlighting our work with chronic kidney disease. According to a CMS report, Less than half of MA enrollees with a lab result indicating CKD Stage 3 actually have a clinical diagnosis. Research also shows that earlier diagnosis and treatment of CKD lowers the risk of negative health outcomes like kidney failure, heart attacks and stroke. In our paper, we outlined that doctors' use of Clover Assistant is correlated with CKD being diagnosed earlier in its progression And a reduction in the rate of kidney function decline after diagnosis.

Speaker 3

We believe this paper demonstrates that doctors using Clover assistance At its core, Clover Assistant is a cloud based AI platform that aggregates, synthesizes and normalizes From well over 100 different types of sources, including direct EHR connections, health information exchanges, of our proprietary AI and machine learning algorithms. Since Clover Assistant's inception, thousands of real world providers have engaged with millions of these AI powered I've always said that we are focused on building net new intellectual property at Clover. And to that end, we are proud to also have dozens of patents registered or pending for our unique internally built platform. We plan to share more on this and something that I'm very much looking forward to later this year is our Clover Assistant Showcase event, which will grant us even more time outside of an earnings context to dive deep into our technology platform with you all. We'll provide the details on the event at a later date.

Speaker 3

With that, let's move on to Q and A.

Operator

We will be taking questions from our Clovers Research Our first question comes from Jason Casola, Citigroup?

Speaker 4

Hi, everyone. Thanks for taking my question. You have Ben Rossi on for Jason. So thinking about your 2023 EBITDA guidance changes,

Speaker 2

as I'm thinking about some

Speaker 4

of the moving pieces this year and your updated adjusted EBITDA guidance, it's negative 90 $5,000,000 at the midpoint and your current year to date EBITDA of negative $17,000,000 I would suggest a back half of about negative $80,000,000 towards that new midpoint, which would suggest by my math about a $55,000,000 EBITDA swing during the quarter. I know you mentioned some of the actions with prior period reserve development, but could you Kind of walk me through how that aided this 2Q figure? And then could you help me bridge to the back half of the year that still assumes $80,000,000 of EBITDA losses? Thanks.

Speaker 2

Sure. This is Scott. Thanks for the question. So I think it's helpful in terms of unpacking that Just to focus on the year to date performance as your reference point and as we mentioned in our Earlier comments, our year to date MAMCR of 81.9 percent really is the outstanding driver of outperformance in the first half of the year. As we have said for a number of quarters going back in the last year, in terms of any guidance for We do look to be appropriately conservative and obviously our back half of the year guidance for 2023 is going to follow that model.

Speaker 2

So when you look at the Year to date EBITDA performance, which again is being driven significantly by that MAMCR performance, there's just that same level of appropriate We've mentioned in the past. Other than that, in terms of changes to our guidance from the previously issued guidance, we have not changed guidance for adjusted SG and A, Nor have we changed the guidance for the non insurance line of business. So it really is the change in revenue and MCR performance for the non insurance I mean for the insurance line Where our MA business resides, it's driving the front half outperformance and then the slide second half performance that you mentioned.

Speaker 4

Got it. Okay. And then I have a quick follow-up on your MA bids for looking ahead to 2025. Now how would you describe your approach to benefit design and led to the latest rate announcement for next year and some of the risk model changes through RevV? Just any thoughts on maybe some changes to your geographic footprint or maybe how you're incorporating some of your peripheral offerings such as Clover Live Healthy Rewards, home health and some of the new home health offerings in your go forward bidding strategy?

Speaker 3

Thanks. Yes, sure. So this is So more to come certainly in the future as we describe our offerings and we're excited to talk about that a little later in the year as we get closer to AEP. At a high High level, we did speak in our remarks that we intend to focus on our core geographies. And so that means that we are not expanding as much This year as we have historically as we continue to follow through the strategy starting last year where we optimize within our core markets.

Speaker 3

We did also remark that our core markets are driving a lot of that improvement that Scott mentioned just now, and we think that there is additional progress that could be made there. So having great CA coverage in those markets, having really strong member I've seen popularity of things like our Live Healthy Rewards. We've mentioned that in the past, whereby Those particular areas where we reward members for healthy behaviors and in particular for getting Clover Assistant powered care It's a virtuous cycle where members can get rewarded for healthy behaviors and we get them those data powered visits as well. So we continue to be Excited by that going forward. Lastly, I will remark that we really do think that our core advantage at Clover is that We are built on this very popular PPO, wide network harness.

Speaker 3

It's the product we truly believe that people want out There, we continue to offer it. We think we were one of the leaders in offering that product. And having the advantage of Clover Assistant, which lets us manage Have, and it's why we lead with our PPO year after year.

Operator

Our next question comes from Kevin Fischbeck, Bank of America.

Speaker 5

Hey, how's it going? This is Adam Rahn on for Kevin. Just Going back to the utilization commentary this year, I'm just curious, you made some comments about like the macro headwinds and you said, I think that medical cost trend PMPM was only up single digits, but that's Pretty different from how some of your peers are talking about it. So just curious if you could elaborate more on that and what your visibility into claims is for first half and if you're seeing anything Post Q2, that's potentially incorporated into the back half MLR ramp would be very helpful.

Speaker 2

Sure. So I think what we mentioned during the previous comments is that on a PMPM basis, our year to date performance So it was an increase of about 3% Medex PMPM. And so I think your observation is correct that that seems to be Better performance relative to what we've seen in some of the headlines. And I think I mentioned in my comments a minute ago that we believe that a lot of these internal initiatives, including some of the verbal impact from operational enhancements and the impact of CA and so on are helping to insulate us from some of those macro Oriented headwinds and so I'm not saying that the 3% we're experiencing is consistent with the broader market. I think that There's a good possibility that's better than the broader market, but we're offsetting it with some of our organic initiatives.

Speaker 5

And when you put together the bids for 2024, did was this better performance contemplated? And so in other words, Should you're saying you don't want to accelerate growth until the other side of profitability and so it sounds like you're not planning on growing much next year. But should we expect similar MLR performance if you notice the Performance year to date and similar benefit design.

Speaker 3

Yes. So we continue to be focused, as You just said on making sure we get to sustain profitability that we are excited to return to growth definitely. We do have these advantages like Clover Assistant, Like Clover Home Care that Scott is alluding to to help us manage Medex, we are very familiar with our core markets. So as We focus on those. When we bring all of that together, we are able to, we believe, put forward an exciting bid product, At the same time, maintain our focus on MCR management as we have always indicated that we will continue to do.

Speaker 3

And then As that all of these initiatives land within our MCRs, I think you'll see us start to return to growth and certainly be able to return Some of those economics as well back to members as we're excited to do to strengthen our planned product, strengthen that wide net area PPO And return back

Operator

to growth. Our next question comes from Richard Close, Canaccord Genuity.

Speaker 6

Yes. Thanks for the questions Congratulations. I was wondering if you can just talk a little bit more about Clover Assistant, maybe the penetration within MA and Just start there, it seems like you've hit an inflection point to some degree.

Speaker 2

And then I have a follow-up.

Speaker 3

Yes, absolutely. So we're always working on Clover Assistant, getting folks to see a Doctor or clinician who is using Clover Assistant and getting Clover Assistant powered care, as you said. Simultaneously, we have Constantly be releasing new features, new capabilities, unlocking new data sources into Clover Assistant. So the efficacy of Clover Assistant, We believe it's actually constantly improving as well because that's one of the effects of continuous software development on the actual product. So we've unlocked new ways for our members to be rewarded for getting Clover Assistant powered care.

Speaker 3

Like we mentioned, the Live Healthy reward, a Part of that is actually to get data driven enhanced primary care via Clover Assistant, and that's something which has been popular and which we look to So we are happy with the direction that's headed. We were happy with the direction the product is headed as well. And I think that you'll see here and you can see in our results that it's

Speaker 6

rates like maybe in core markets where it's over 50% now of members or anything like that?

Speaker 3

Yes. We're not sharing that information right now on a quarterly basis. It's nothing we'll consider doing. However, I will say that we have always We used to share that number, and I would say that we that you can use that as an older baseline to work off. And I would also say that we constantly are focused on moving that number upwards and to the right.

Speaker 6

Okay. And my follow-up question is on home care. Is that in all the core markets now? And is there some Like percentage of the member base that that is applicable to, just any thoughts on that?

Speaker 3

Yes. So basically, the majority of the care is in our core markets right now for home care, but we are actively looking to expand that footprint into our Other markets as well. Home care is a critical part of closing that last mile of care where we can identify The core needs of our neediest population, the most vulnerable, and we're able to identify their unmet needs. And then, Like I said, close that last gap, that last mile and really reduce things like inpatient admissions, as I mentioned during the earlier remarks. All right.

Speaker 3

Thank you, folks. Sorry, give me one more question.

Operator

Yes, we did have another question from Kevin Fischbeck, Bank of America.

Speaker 5

Yes. Hey, I'll just jump back in the queue. So on the ACR Recept, I think last quarter you mentioned you had more you would have more to share this quarter on the 2022 like direct Contracting final benchmarks. I'm so curious if you've heard anything there. And then I have a few more questions on ACO Reach.

Speaker 2

Yes. So in terms of the 2022 performance at this point, we do have more reference points relating to 2022. And so we haven't received any updates in relation to benchmarks that really significantly change our view of 2022 performance, just small amounts, but nothing significant. So, but obviously there is So still some risk as we approach final settlement dates that an update may come there, but we think that variability is significantly derisked.

Speaker 5

All right. And then one of your competitors sounded much more bullish on their performance year to date in terms of how they're doing on ACO Reach in 23, and they were pointing to some better I mean, I guess it depends what they were accruing for, but better Trend adjustments coming out from CMS, and they gave their view on how they're performing versus national benchmarks. So curious How the data from CMS is comparing versus expectations and if you could share how you're doing the VERCET benchmark?

Speaker 3

Yes. We have to say we believe that all participants are getting the same amount of data from CMS at the same time. What probably is about the amount of conservatism being shared in terms of expressing that into our models, and we are fairly conservative in doing that. So we believe we all have the same data. We might just be different modeling it slightly differently internally.

Speaker 3

So we feel good about the way we're doing that I will share more as things develop. I would also note that I think for our particular area That we definitely see, as Scott says, that our insurance segment is leading the charge in terms of driving our pathway to profitability here. But we are excited, as I said in my remarks, About the more broad capability that we have from our non insurance segment, and you will see us talk more about this in the future, but non insurance really means just that. It's our ability to bring Clover Assistant powered care to physicians in a way where we might not be the insurance company, But we certainly can help them move towards a risk bearing relationship and we can provide Clover Assistant and fee for service and ATO Reach was All right. I think we're clear on questions.

Speaker 3

So thank you for all your questions. I really feel that this 2nd quarter second strong quarter of results highlights our capabilities and transformative vision here at Clover. We've continually shown the strength of Clover model this year reporting our 1st profitable quarter as a public company on an adjusted EBITDA basis, driven by significantly improved MCR as well as Consistent insurance revenue growth. Our continued push towards sustained profitability, coupled with the great differentiation discussed Today is something I'm personally very excited about. I hope that you take away from this call, our confidence in our ability to continue to provide Even more proof points in the second half of this year and continue our momentum into 2024.

Speaker 3

I also look

Operator

This concludes today's Clover Health Second Quarter 2023 Earnings Call and Webcast. You may disconnect your line at this time and have a wonderful

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