NYSEAMERICAN:CMT Core Molding Technologies Q2 2023 Earnings Report $15.66 +0.23 (+1.49%) As of 05/15/2025 04:10 PM Eastern Earnings HistoryForecast Core Molding Technologies EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.91Consensus EPS N/ABeat/MissN/AOne Year Ago EPSN/ACore Molding Technologies Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$97.73 millionExpected RevenueN/ABeat/MissN/AYoY Revenue GrowthN/ACore Molding Technologies Announcement DetailsQuarterQ2 2023Date8/8/2023TimeN/AConference Call DateTuesday, August 8, 2023Conference Call Time10:00AM ETConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Core Molding Technologies Q2 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrAugust 8, 2023 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 6 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good morning, everyone. Welcome to the Core Molding Technologies Second Quarter Fiscal 2023 Financial Results Conference Call. All participants will be in listen only mode. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Please note this event is being recorded. Operator00:00:34Now, I will turn the call over to Sandy Martin, 3 part advisors. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:41Thank you and good morning everyone. We appreciate you joining us for Core Molding Technologies conference call to review 2nd quarter results for 2023. Joining me on the call today are Core Moulding's President and CEO, Dave Duvall and the company's EVP and CFO, John Zimmer. This call is also being webcast and can be accessed through the audio link on the Events and Presentations page of the Investor Relations section at coremt.com. Today's call, including the Q and A session, will be recorded. Speaker 100:01:17Please be advised that any time sensitive information may no longer be accurate as of the date of any replay or transcript reading. I would also like to remind you that the statements made in today's discussion that are not historical fact, including statements or expectations or future events or future financial performance are forward looking statements and are made pursuant to the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward looking statements by their nature are uncertain and outside of Actual results may differ materially from those expressed or implied. Please refer to the earnings press release that was issued today for our disclosures on forward looking statements. These factors and other risks and uncertainties are in detail in the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Speaker 100:02:12Core Molding Technologies assumes no obligation to publicly update or revise any forward looking statements. Management will refer to non GAAP measures, including to EBITDA, free cash flow and return on capital employed. Reconciliations to the nearest GAAP measures can be found at the end of our earnings release. Finally, the earnings press release we issued earlier today is posted on the Investor Relations section of our website at coremt.com. A copy of the release has also been included in an 8 ks submitted to the SEC. Speaker 100:02:47And now, I would like to turn the call over to Dave Duvall. Dave? Speaker 200:02:52Thank you, Sandy. Good morning and welcome to our Q2 earnings call. We're excited to share several important accomplishments this quarter. First, I want to share that the end of June, Core joined the Russell 3,000 Index. This major milestone as well as our record second quarter are a direct result of our winning culture driven by a dedicated team and their relentless focus on customer support and continuous improvements. Speaker 200:03:20I want to thank our hardworking team of talented people for executing Core's shared vision of growth and driving improvements in our business every day. Before we talk about our results, I want to briefly provide a few other comments. As we discussed last quarter, one of course Strategic growth initiatives for 2023 is our commitment to profitability improvement through our must win battle of achieving higher operational performance across all core locations. We are focused on operational excellence and continually improving production efficiencies. We understood that a disciplined execution of our operational excellence initiatives in 2023 would result and increased gross margins. Speaker 200:04:04Again, this quarter, I'm excited to share that our gross margin for the quarter increased to 21%. This is the highest quarterly gross margin in over a decade. If you remember during the last few quarters quarterly calls, John Zimmer said he wanted to see it So great forecasting, John. Sequentially, Speaker 300:04:25this is Speaker 200:04:25a 320 basis point improvement from the Q1 and an increase of 7.80 basis points from Q2 of last year. I believe these results are direct evidence that the business transformation is progressing well and more importantly, gaining momentum by consolidating the improvements or compounding. We know that our successful gross margin expansion this year is a result of a relentless focus on our operational I'm excited to see that our must win battle for 2023 is fully embedded in our operational excellence processes and supporting our continuous improvement culture. We will remain strategically focused on optimizing plant capacity through improvements in operational performance and we are continually driving near term opportunities within our sheet molding compound business. For the first half of the year, we increased our productivity by 15% in our focus plans. Speaker 200:05:34Recall that we reported and 8% productivity improvement in Q1. So we are proud to report the continued improvements in our overall plant productivity, which reduces costs, increases our machine capacity and reduces the demand on our technical resources, which is a significant opportunity cost as we look forward. I appreciate how focused our operational teams are in driving Our 2023 must win battle. The cross functional teams are providing on-site support and facilitating system improvements, Kaizen events and organizational development processes. A must win battle means it's a priority for all of us. Speaker 200:06:16Now turning more specifically to the quarter, 2nd quarter product sales demonstrated the benefits of diversification and we continue to see strength in our transportation and Powersports Industries with Q2 softening mostly in building products. Compared to 1st quarter sales Medium and heavy duty trucks shifted back below 50% of our mix and powersports and industrial utilities grew in the 2nd quarter. As we mentioned last quarter, we continue to win programs in the industrial and utilities categories, specifically related to stormwater solutions, flush cover and in ground vault products. Our technical solutions team signed new contracts in the first half of the year that will contribute new and replacement annualized revenue of approximately $12,000,000 that we are expecting to launch in 2023 and in early 2024. These programs relate primarily to new business in the industrial and power sports industries. Speaker 200:07:17We are excited to launch these programs as they further differentiate our business in the growing end markets where we provide high value engineered solutions. We will continue to focus on margin enhancements by offering a differentiated solution with new and existing customers that seek improved product performance, lower cost of ownership and reduce manufacturing complexities. Finally, regarding our sustainability efforts, we are currently in the certification process for Core's EcoVadis and we expect this to be completed by mid August. This certification further supports the value proposition of several industrial and utilities customers. We continue to work with customers to increase their usage of recycled material or developing a completely recyclable solution by converting from All of these efforts closely align with our strategy of providing a technical and proprietary solution by utilizing our wide portfolio processes and over 80 presses. Speaker 200:08:21This is especially important for our long term relationships with blue chip companies where we provide single source manufacturing arrangements. We firmly believe that driving sustainable solutions for our customers will create long term value for our customers, shareholders and of course, Core Molding. With that, I'd like to now turn it over to John to cover the financials in more detail. Speaker 400:08:44Thank you, Dave, and good morning, everyone. We continue to drive our 4 strategic growth initiatives this year and our financial results reflect this hard work. Record second quarter numbers were mostly the result of a combination of selling price improvements and operational efficiencies. As Dave mentioned, our team has stepped up to drive production improvement and we believe more improvements are attainable. A direct result of our focus to improve operational performance This is the company's ability to generate free cash flow and improve return on capital employed, which we will discuss in a few moments. Speaker 400:09:19Our trailing 12 month adjusted EBITDA through the Q2 totaled $40,500,000 our highest ever in the company's history. This gives us confidence that our strategic growth initiatives are progressing and I want to congratulate our team on their hard work. Turning to our financials. 2nd quarter 2023 net sales were $97,700,000 compared to $98,700,000 a year ago. Product sales increased 2.6% versus the prior year period, which were largely driven by flat customer demand, coupled with increased customer pricing, primarily to recover changes in raw material cost. Speaker 400:09:58Gross profit for the 2nd quarter rose to During the quarter, margin expansion was primarily due to production efficiencies as well as customer price improvements. We continue to see the U. S. Dollar weaken against the Canadian dollar in peso in the second quarter, which has a negative impact of about 100 basis points on Gross Margin. We actively hedge a portion of our exposure to the Mexican peso and the Canadian dollar, but still experienced an overall negative impact to earnings by the change in the dollar. Speaker 400:10:37Selling, general and administrative expenses for the quarter were $10,500,000 compared to $8,700,000 in the prior year period. The increase was primarily due to year over year variable compensation related costs relating to our improving performance this year. In the Q2, the company reported operating income of $10,100,000 an increase of more than 2 times the operating income of $4,400,000 from the year ago quarter. Our operating income margins for the 2nd quarter were 10.3%, up 5.90 basis points from the 2022 prior year quarter. Our effective tax rate for the 2nd quarter was 19.3% and included a $535,000 Tax benefit related to stock compensation recorded in the period. Speaker 400:11:26Excluding the tax benefit, our effective rate would have been 24.7% consistent with the Q1. Net interest expense declined based on our debt refinancing last year and our investment income generated from excess cash Net income was $7,900,000 or $0.91 per diluted share versus last year's diluted EPS of $0.26 an increase of over 2 50%. Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter was $13,700,000 or 14.1 percent of sales compared to an adjusted EBITDA margin of 8% in the prior year quarter. We are pleased with our progress on gross margin, EBITDA margin expansion reflected in our quarter results, and we believe that more operational improvements are still attainable. Our GAAP to non GAAP reconciliation tables are included at the end of our press release. Speaker 400:12:19Now turning to the first half results. Net sales for the 1st 6 months totaled 197,200,000 up 4.2% versus a year ago and product sales increased 5.9% versus the prior year period. Similar to the 2nd quarter, first half sales increases were largely driven by momentum in Transportation and Powersports. First half gross margin was $38,300,000 or 19.4 percent of sales compared to 27 point $6,000,000 or 14.6 percent of sales in the year ago period. Consistent with the 2nd quarter, our SG and A expenses for the first half were $20,200,000 compared to $17,200,000 in the prior year period. Speaker 400:13:11Operating income for the 1st 6 months was $18,100,000 an increase of 75% from the 2022 first half. Year to date earnings were similarly impacted by foreign currency headwinds, lower net interest expense and tax benefits discussed before. Net income aggregated $13,800,000 or $1.59 per diluted share compared to $6,100,000 or $0.71 per diluted share and the comparable year period. First half adjusted EBITDA was $25,900,000 or 13.2 percent of sales compared to 17 point $5,000,000 in the prior year. In 202023, the company is beginning to see a return to normal seasonality after several years of unusual Based on normal seasonality, the company anticipates that second half 2023 sales and gross margin percent will be lower than the first half of twenty twenty three. Speaker 400:14:11The business seasonality has a direct impact Our product sales volume and mix. We anticipate that a combination of normal seasonality and the slowdown in some of our markets will result in a full year Product sales for 2023 are flat to slightly lower than the full year product sales in 2022. We also anticipate the second half gross margins will be impacted by normal seasonality resulting in mix shifts, coupled with potentially lower fixed cost leverage, which we expect will produce a full year gross margin in the range of 17% to 19% compared to the full year 2022 gross margin of 13.9 Turning now to the company's financial position. Starting with a discussion of cash flow. The company's cash provided by operating activities were $18,900,000 for the 6 months ended June 30, 2023, And capital expenditures for the year were $4,500,000 resulting in a positive free cash flow of $14,400,000 for the first half of the year. Speaker 400:15:11We expect to generate free cash flows for the remainder of the year as operating cash flows are expected to outpace Capital expenditures and working capital continues to be tightly managed. Our full year capital expenditures are estimated to be between $11,000,000 $13,000,000 in 2023. At June 30, the company had ample liquidity of $64,200,000 to invest in and grow the business, which includes a combination Cash and cash equivalents and availabilities under the revolver Speaker 500:15:43and Speaker 400:15:43capital credit lines. The company also had term debt of 23 point Our working capital continues to be well managed and netted to $45,000,000 as of June. And we ended the quarter with accounts receivable of $50,400,000 with a DSO of 46 days, down from 48 days in Q1. Inventories were well controlled and remained less than 1 times accounts payable at the end of June. Finally, our return on capital employed, a pre tax return metric improved to 23.6 prudent and strategic manner and believe that a combination of good liquidity and a strong balance sheet provides flexibility to focus on our growth strategic growth initiatives. Speaker 400:16:40As Dave discussed, we continue to work on operational efficiencies at all our plants and the higher margin technical solution sales to improve margins and reduce the impact of product mix shifts in our business. Our must win battle for 2023 includes institutionalizing major productivity and quality improvements as well as scrap reductions, labor productivity and reduction of overhead spending. We're also focused on operational improvements with our new product launches, which usually take up to a Our operational performance and efficiency goals are targeting further long term gross margin enhancement as well as increased capacity, throughput and return on capital. Our full attention and focus as a company Our 4 strategic growth initiatives that include revenue growth, technical solution sales, profitability improvements and free cash flow generation. And all of our goal, objectives and targets flow down from these. Speaker 400:17:40And we plan to stay on course with consistency and focus on by maintaining our operational and performance enhancements as well as working on additional continuous improvement initiatives. The entire management team is dedicated to our strategic growth and profitability goals with programs to drive long term value creation. With that, I'd like to turn it back to Dave for some final comments. Thank you, Speaker 200:18:04John. Reaching and then working to maintain a 15% productivity improvement in the 1st 6 months of this year took and will continue to take daily operational discipline and continual improvement. We have upgraded our frontline leader onboarding and training in 4 locations and we'll continue to roll this out across the organization. As both John and I have explained, our must win battle for 2023 is about fully embedding the continuous improvement systems into our more challenged operations, which benefits our sheet molding compound plants the most. With the systematic improvements in place and sustained, we can now focus on scaling the continuous improvement structure and company wide cross functional technical projects. Speaker 200:18:53We have also expanded our internship program and have incorporated an and educational co op program in some locations. We are providing technical training by partnering with external agencies for funding and facilitated technical programs. All of this is to support and strengthen our team and in turn strengthen our organizational capabilities. We have communicated our goals throughout the organization, which places a high level of focus into driving speed and quality of event on our must win battle initiative. We will continue to increase productivity, reduce costs and expand our capacity by as much as 20% within the focus locations. Speaker 200:19:38This drives better return metrics on our investments and creates a stronger foundation for success as we plan for the next level of growth at Core Molding. We have communicated that we plan to add capacity and we are currently evaluating the best approach, either by acquisition, facility expansion or greenfield site. As I mentioned last quarter, we are also adding additional automation to support further production efficiencies, reduce costs and increase capacity. Our 2023 must win battle was a foundational step in maximizing current machine capacity and freeing up technical expertise before investing in step function growth, which will accelerate our long term value creation and shareholder returns. Our 2023 outlook includes continuing to expand our revenue diversification by industry with high value engineered solutions that enhance our margin profiles further. Speaker 200:20:37We are monitoring the demand environment and customer forecasts in the second half of 'twenty three and into 'twenty four and are continuing to calibrate asset and labor utilizations. We are cautiously optimistic about the rest of 2023 and believe that the first half performance has set us up well for a strong full year 2023 performance compared to 2022. We're taking advantage of opportunities in various industries that require new solutions, including opportunities resulting from government funded infrastructure and sustainability projects. Coming into 2023, We understood that we needed all locations operating at a high level, not just most of them, and making this happen was foundational to successfully executing the long term growth of the company. We believe our progress in the first half of the year has set us up to turn more of our attention to growing the company both organically and through acquisitions. Speaker 200:21:35Our team is ready to drive the company forward towards our long term goals and to deliver long term shareholder value. Finally, we will be at the Midwest Ideas Conference in Chicago on August 24, if you would like to meet with us in person, and we welcome your questions on today's call or on a follow-up call. With that, I would like to open up the line for questions. Operator? Operator00:22:39The first question comes from Tim Moore with EF Hutton. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:22:47Thanks and congratulations on the very strong gross margin and operating margin expansion. I mean, like you said, it was The highest margin in over a decade. Maybe I just want to start out first with sales guidance. You kind of elaborated on that. And is my understanding correct that a lot of it has to do with the seasonality? Speaker 500:23:10Last year might have been some tail end of pandemic demand catch up, still production in full swing and abnormally high for powersports and even maybe some of the commercial trucks, but you're expecting more normalized seasonality for this year and that would explain the sales tough comparables from last year? Speaker 200:23:28Yes, that's a really good view on it, Tim. I think what we've seen in the past with COVID and the supply chain shortages, There were a lot of changes that customers made to either extend their product lines or fill the dealerships and fill the pipeline. So I think we're seeing that coming back with the supply chain shortages reduced. We're coming back to the normal seasonality, which we've always seen as far as Q1, Q2 being the highest and then Q3 tailing off and then Q4 when it's really into the holiday season. That's exactly what we're seeing this year. Speaker 500:24:03Great. That's helpful color. And my next question revolves around your Production efficiencies and your 15% productivity improvement goal this year. So this is a 2 part question. For your gross margin guidance of 17% to 19% for the year that you might be at the lower end of the range Despite doing, I think, 19.4% in the first half of the year, but just given the way that that seasonality lines up for the second half of the year on the sales, Do you think maybe be at the lower end of the 17% to 19% gross margin for the year? Speaker 200:24:47Yes, I'll answer the first question And leave it to John for the second question on the forecast. So as far as the productivity, we're really looking at the overall productivity, the 2 plants in question, The SMC plants, we're 15%. We had said from the beginning that we would probably get about at least 20% overall throughput for those plants Before you start moving on to the next phase, so we're seeing that sustainability take place and those plants become Integrated into the overall continuous improvement processes for the entire company. Speaker 400:25:30Yeah. And Tim, on the 2017 to 2019, I think right now we would say we're pretty comfortable that we're kind of in the middle of that. What will happen is that Well, over the next 6 months, volumes mean a lot. It will determine our fixed cost leverage. And so we'll watch the volumes and from the seasonality and where we think revenue volumes come in. Speaker 400:25:51And then the other piece is a little bit of mix. Mix can change Throughout the 6 months, we get forecast from customers. But to tell you the truth, those forecasts are probably good for about a month and they constantly change. And so A little bit of mix comes into play also, but we're probably right now thinking that we're right about in the middle of that, but we'll watch volumes and mix is what will really drive the difference Speaker 500:26:17That's very helpful color, Dave and John. My next question is around SG and A. I noticed it ticked up a bit in the June quarter, and I'm guessing it's probably because of the way you do bonus accruals. Should we expect SG and A as a percentage of sales to be lower in the second half of the year than it was in the first half of the year? Speaker 400:26:38Maybe not as a percent of sales. The way I look at it is, there's a fixed piece of our SG and A and then there's a variable. Really the variable piece of our SG and A is Our bonus compensation, we do try to match our bonus expense with our earnings, do a matching principle from accounting. And so the first half of the year During the second half of the year, the way I kind of look at it is our fixed run rate of SG and A is around $8,500,000 Is where it is. That's really just the people that come to work every day, the normal pay and those types of things. Speaker 400:27:16And then any difference $8,500,000 and what you see in the SG and A is usually a bonus accrual type thing. And so you can see for the first Couple of months, Q1 it was about $1,100,000 this quarter it was $1,900,000 I would expect bonus expense accruals to go down in 3rd Q4 just because again we try to match that with earnings and we think earnings will be a little bit lower in the 3rd Q4. Speaker 500:27:40That's helpful. My next question is more strategic. This is a great attribute of your capacity expansion goals. And As David said before, it's a combination of organic and just internal expansion in brownfield. But Can you give us maybe a sense, if maybe your goal or near term goal is 20% capacity expansion, How long does something like the utility certification take month wise maybe? Speaker 500:28:13And then when do How long is kind of lead time from when you get the automation machines in and certified to when you start seeing a ramp up in sales for some of that maybe $12,000,000 of new launches that you mentioned in your prepared remarks? Speaker 200:28:29Yes, I mean, if I look at just a standard law, it will vary, say, anywhere between, say, At the minimum 6 months, if you're transferring a program to about 18 months or so as far as the overall launch. I think the big thing for us though, it's a continual process. So we haven't stopped and there's still programs that are in our pipeline that we're working on now, looking at what we can do to capacitize that volume, whether that's acquisition or greenfield site For an expansion of our current facilities, which we have been doing, but we're at a point now where we're at a brick and mortar situation. Speaker 500:29:11Great. That's very helpful, Dave. My last question is around free cash flow. I feel like investors really haven't caught on to this. You've been doing a lot of growth CapEx, but it really shown through in this quarter with $14,000,000 of free cash flow in the first half of this year already, $12,000,000 just on the June quarter. Speaker 500:29:31As you think about the second half of the year, with the natural sales cadence that you've talked about, and probably some working capital benefit maybe as you collect ARs and receivables. Would I be off thinking that maybe you could do 18 Speaker 400:29:51Yes, Tim, I think you no, I don't think it would be off. Again, we do believe we'll generate cash Flows for the second half of the year also. I think where we are now with our operational improvements we've made, even with slower sales, we believe We'll kick off operating cash flows, pretty good operating cash flows. It really probably from a free cash flow, it will matter how much of that $11,000,000 to $13,000,000 of CapEx we can do. It's not always about Not wanting to spend it, it's about trying to get the projects done and find resources to do the projects, sometimes getting equipment in that you've ordered and stuff. Speaker 400:30:29And so I think no, I don't think you would have a problem at the upper end of the teens there that free cash flow for the year is an initial projection. Speaker 500:30:39Thanks, John and Dave. This is very helpful and insightful, and I look forward to continued EBITDA and profitability enhancement over the next couple of years. Operator00:30:53The next question comes from JP Geygan with Global Value Investment Corporation. Please go ahead. Speaker 300:31:01Thanks and good morning, gentlemen. My first question has been answered in parts in a number of different ways, but at the risk of asking you to repeat yourself, I'll ask it again. You've done a great job really optimizing your asset base and improving productivity. And you've talked in a lot of ways about kind of this must win battle for 2023 and the productivity you still expect to gain. But looking forward beyond 'twenty three, how should we expect you to Grow organically using your existing asset base, given comments you made about automation or other efficiency improvements or maybe said another way, how much can you really squeeze out of the existing business before you're forced to turn to something inorganic. Speaker 300:31:48And then maybe the second part of the question, which is connected to this. What form or what How will you decide the form that inorganic growth will take in terms of acquisition versus greenfield, products, geography, that kind of decision tree? Speaker 200:32:09So on the first question, JP, I think it's a good question. For us, we've been evaluating and a lot of it really has to do with how far we can get our current systems. We have Currently filled all the, what I would say, the holes in our plants, where you have a you can put a large asset into the pit and the facilities. So we've really maxed out the facilities relative to being able to put large presses in place. That was a first step. Speaker 200:32:36Our step right now is really about maximizing the output of all the facilities with all the assets. So that's really the must win battle and what that does is free up the resources and stabilize the operational system so that Now we're ready to look at what acquisitions we can do and make those acquisitions quickly and successfully with the resources and being able to put in the core operational model. So that's really kind of the overall plan that we had from the beginning. What I would say that continuous improvement as we continue to put in automation and improvements, you're not going to see 20%, 25% a year, maybe it's 4% to 6% a year, somewhere below 10% a year on your existing assets. But there is where we're really looking at, do we need to expand the facility, Do a greenfield or do an acquisition. Speaker 200:33:29And I think it really depends on what the strategic benefit is of it. If we have 4 or 5 different areas that we want to get out of an acquisition, whether that's sales channels, capacity, A new technology or a new material and process, it depends on how many of those have fixed and Where that fits within the does it make more sense to do the acquisition than do the expansion? Speaker 300:33:58All right. That's helpful. Speaker 200:33:59Maybe that's a long answer to your question. Speaker 300:34:02It's very comprehensive though, and I appreciate the additional color. It's helpful to understand your thought process as you go through this. In terms of capital allocation, I think For investors who have been around for a while, the sting of the HPI acquisition, at least initially, which and it turned out to be a good acquisition it seems. But You might have bit off a little bit more than you could chew from a financial standpoint. How do you think about funding expansion after this? Speaker 300:34:28And then how should we think about your capital allocation priorities given that you're really bumping up against capacity in your existing infrastructure? Speaker 400:34:41Yes. I think, I mean, we will take the actually a little bit of the same process we took in 2018 when we did arise and we went into that deal and were less than 2 times EBITDA when we did all our models. Don't know that we really thought we were going to go into the turnaround in the traditional business that we did, which really caused us the issue. But I don't think we've mentally Change strategically on how we look at the capital. We are not an aggressive company where we're going to go out 3, 4, 5 times Our EBITDA and leverage up the balance sheet, we are going to be pretty responsible. Speaker 400:35:15We're probably going to be between 2 times and 2.5 times. We'll make sure we model out Even during downturns and everything else that we can handle whatever leverage we bring on to the financial statements. So I think we'll stay pretty conservative in that And point not over lever the balance sheet. The benefit we have now is that our EBITDA is much higher even and so it does allow us Probably and we're a much more diversified company. So it reduces the risk of any certain industry, The downturn in any certain industry hurting our financials. Speaker 400:35:46And so I think we're in a much better position now, but we're probably in the same Process, it wouldn't be any more than 2 to 2.5 times. As far as internal growth capital, the nice thing We set ourselves up about a year ago when we did the CapEx line. We went into that the debt structure that we have that has a 5 year debt structure that allows us If we wanted to do expansion, that is CapEx, we have our cash on hand, plus we have a CapEx line specifically for that, that has separate covenants and rules and payments and those types of things. So I think that $25,000,000 there to really allow us to expand the business organically and grow organically if we wanted to. So I think we're really set up with different ways to finance the business, but We're not going to get overly aggressive. Speaker 400:36:36We'll stay EBITDA no more levered than probably 2 to 2.5 on an acquisition, probably even less That is through organic growth. Speaker 300:36:48Okay. And finally for me, could you talk a little bit about the labor situation that you're seeing today as that's been the nexus of some cost pressures for a couple of years now? Yes. Speaker 200:37:01I mean, what we were seeing a year ago, maybe a year and Half ago is not nearly what we're seeing today. In most of our locations, we've had to adapt for sure as far as Our labor wage rates as far as being competitive and constantly watching that relative to the areas and seeing if new businesses are moving in. So we're constantly looking at that. We've done a lot with our onboarding and our training and our facilities to where it's a trying to make it a better place when people come So that they don't go somewhere else or have the want to go somewhere else. So we've done a very holistic view of it on what we need to do. Speaker 200:37:42For sure, there's always more to do and improve and we continue to do that. But I would say that the area that still I think everyone I talk to has challenges It's really more on the skilled trades or hands on technical like PLC programming and controls and things like that. Speaker 300:38:03Okay. Thanks for taking my questions today. Appreciate it. Speaker 200:38:06All right. Thanks, JP. Thanks, JP. Operator00:38:20This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Dave Duvall for any closing remarks. Speaker 200:38:29Thank you for your continued interest in our company. We look forward to providing an update of our progress when we report the Q3 results in a few months. Thank you. Operator00:38:40The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.Read morePowered by Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallCore Molding Technologies Q2 202300:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2x Earnings DocumentsPress Release(8-K)Quarterly report(10-Q) Core Molding Technologies Earnings HeadlinesCore Molding Technologies, Inc. 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The company was formerly known as Core Materials Corporation and changed its name to Core Molding Technologies, Inc. in August 2002. 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There are 6 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good morning, everyone. Welcome to the Core Molding Technologies Second Quarter Fiscal 2023 Financial Results Conference Call. All participants will be in listen only mode. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Please note this event is being recorded. Operator00:00:34Now, I will turn the call over to Sandy Martin, 3 part advisors. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:41Thank you and good morning everyone. We appreciate you joining us for Core Molding Technologies conference call to review 2nd quarter results for 2023. Joining me on the call today are Core Moulding's President and CEO, Dave Duvall and the company's EVP and CFO, John Zimmer. This call is also being webcast and can be accessed through the audio link on the Events and Presentations page of the Investor Relations section at coremt.com. Today's call, including the Q and A session, will be recorded. Speaker 100:01:17Please be advised that any time sensitive information may no longer be accurate as of the date of any replay or transcript reading. I would also like to remind you that the statements made in today's discussion that are not historical fact, including statements or expectations or future events or future financial performance are forward looking statements and are made pursuant to the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward looking statements by their nature are uncertain and outside of Actual results may differ materially from those expressed or implied. Please refer to the earnings press release that was issued today for our disclosures on forward looking statements. These factors and other risks and uncertainties are in detail in the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Speaker 100:02:12Core Molding Technologies assumes no obligation to publicly update or revise any forward looking statements. Management will refer to non GAAP measures, including to EBITDA, free cash flow and return on capital employed. Reconciliations to the nearest GAAP measures can be found at the end of our earnings release. Finally, the earnings press release we issued earlier today is posted on the Investor Relations section of our website at coremt.com. A copy of the release has also been included in an 8 ks submitted to the SEC. Speaker 100:02:47And now, I would like to turn the call over to Dave Duvall. Dave? Speaker 200:02:52Thank you, Sandy. Good morning and welcome to our Q2 earnings call. We're excited to share several important accomplishments this quarter. First, I want to share that the end of June, Core joined the Russell 3,000 Index. This major milestone as well as our record second quarter are a direct result of our winning culture driven by a dedicated team and their relentless focus on customer support and continuous improvements. Speaker 200:03:20I want to thank our hardworking team of talented people for executing Core's shared vision of growth and driving improvements in our business every day. Before we talk about our results, I want to briefly provide a few other comments. As we discussed last quarter, one of course Strategic growth initiatives for 2023 is our commitment to profitability improvement through our must win battle of achieving higher operational performance across all core locations. We are focused on operational excellence and continually improving production efficiencies. We understood that a disciplined execution of our operational excellence initiatives in 2023 would result and increased gross margins. Speaker 200:04:04Again, this quarter, I'm excited to share that our gross margin for the quarter increased to 21%. This is the highest quarterly gross margin in over a decade. If you remember during the last few quarters quarterly calls, John Zimmer said he wanted to see it So great forecasting, John. Sequentially, Speaker 300:04:25this is Speaker 200:04:25a 320 basis point improvement from the Q1 and an increase of 7.80 basis points from Q2 of last year. I believe these results are direct evidence that the business transformation is progressing well and more importantly, gaining momentum by consolidating the improvements or compounding. We know that our successful gross margin expansion this year is a result of a relentless focus on our operational I'm excited to see that our must win battle for 2023 is fully embedded in our operational excellence processes and supporting our continuous improvement culture. We will remain strategically focused on optimizing plant capacity through improvements in operational performance and we are continually driving near term opportunities within our sheet molding compound business. For the first half of the year, we increased our productivity by 15% in our focus plans. Speaker 200:05:34Recall that we reported and 8% productivity improvement in Q1. So we are proud to report the continued improvements in our overall plant productivity, which reduces costs, increases our machine capacity and reduces the demand on our technical resources, which is a significant opportunity cost as we look forward. I appreciate how focused our operational teams are in driving Our 2023 must win battle. The cross functional teams are providing on-site support and facilitating system improvements, Kaizen events and organizational development processes. A must win battle means it's a priority for all of us. Speaker 200:06:16Now turning more specifically to the quarter, 2nd quarter product sales demonstrated the benefits of diversification and we continue to see strength in our transportation and Powersports Industries with Q2 softening mostly in building products. Compared to 1st quarter sales Medium and heavy duty trucks shifted back below 50% of our mix and powersports and industrial utilities grew in the 2nd quarter. As we mentioned last quarter, we continue to win programs in the industrial and utilities categories, specifically related to stormwater solutions, flush cover and in ground vault products. Our technical solutions team signed new contracts in the first half of the year that will contribute new and replacement annualized revenue of approximately $12,000,000 that we are expecting to launch in 2023 and in early 2024. These programs relate primarily to new business in the industrial and power sports industries. Speaker 200:07:17We are excited to launch these programs as they further differentiate our business in the growing end markets where we provide high value engineered solutions. We will continue to focus on margin enhancements by offering a differentiated solution with new and existing customers that seek improved product performance, lower cost of ownership and reduce manufacturing complexities. Finally, regarding our sustainability efforts, we are currently in the certification process for Core's EcoVadis and we expect this to be completed by mid August. This certification further supports the value proposition of several industrial and utilities customers. We continue to work with customers to increase their usage of recycled material or developing a completely recyclable solution by converting from All of these efforts closely align with our strategy of providing a technical and proprietary solution by utilizing our wide portfolio processes and over 80 presses. Speaker 200:08:21This is especially important for our long term relationships with blue chip companies where we provide single source manufacturing arrangements. We firmly believe that driving sustainable solutions for our customers will create long term value for our customers, shareholders and of course, Core Molding. With that, I'd like to now turn it over to John to cover the financials in more detail. Speaker 400:08:44Thank you, Dave, and good morning, everyone. We continue to drive our 4 strategic growth initiatives this year and our financial results reflect this hard work. Record second quarter numbers were mostly the result of a combination of selling price improvements and operational efficiencies. As Dave mentioned, our team has stepped up to drive production improvement and we believe more improvements are attainable. A direct result of our focus to improve operational performance This is the company's ability to generate free cash flow and improve return on capital employed, which we will discuss in a few moments. Speaker 400:09:19Our trailing 12 month adjusted EBITDA through the Q2 totaled $40,500,000 our highest ever in the company's history. This gives us confidence that our strategic growth initiatives are progressing and I want to congratulate our team on their hard work. Turning to our financials. 2nd quarter 2023 net sales were $97,700,000 compared to $98,700,000 a year ago. Product sales increased 2.6% versus the prior year period, which were largely driven by flat customer demand, coupled with increased customer pricing, primarily to recover changes in raw material cost. Speaker 400:09:58Gross profit for the 2nd quarter rose to During the quarter, margin expansion was primarily due to production efficiencies as well as customer price improvements. We continue to see the U. S. Dollar weaken against the Canadian dollar in peso in the second quarter, which has a negative impact of about 100 basis points on Gross Margin. We actively hedge a portion of our exposure to the Mexican peso and the Canadian dollar, but still experienced an overall negative impact to earnings by the change in the dollar. Speaker 400:10:37Selling, general and administrative expenses for the quarter were $10,500,000 compared to $8,700,000 in the prior year period. The increase was primarily due to year over year variable compensation related costs relating to our improving performance this year. In the Q2, the company reported operating income of $10,100,000 an increase of more than 2 times the operating income of $4,400,000 from the year ago quarter. Our operating income margins for the 2nd quarter were 10.3%, up 5.90 basis points from the 2022 prior year quarter. Our effective tax rate for the 2nd quarter was 19.3% and included a $535,000 Tax benefit related to stock compensation recorded in the period. Speaker 400:11:26Excluding the tax benefit, our effective rate would have been 24.7% consistent with the Q1. Net interest expense declined based on our debt refinancing last year and our investment income generated from excess cash Net income was $7,900,000 or $0.91 per diluted share versus last year's diluted EPS of $0.26 an increase of over 2 50%. Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter was $13,700,000 or 14.1 percent of sales compared to an adjusted EBITDA margin of 8% in the prior year quarter. We are pleased with our progress on gross margin, EBITDA margin expansion reflected in our quarter results, and we believe that more operational improvements are still attainable. Our GAAP to non GAAP reconciliation tables are included at the end of our press release. Speaker 400:12:19Now turning to the first half results. Net sales for the 1st 6 months totaled 197,200,000 up 4.2% versus a year ago and product sales increased 5.9% versus the prior year period. Similar to the 2nd quarter, first half sales increases were largely driven by momentum in Transportation and Powersports. First half gross margin was $38,300,000 or 19.4 percent of sales compared to 27 point $6,000,000 or 14.6 percent of sales in the year ago period. Consistent with the 2nd quarter, our SG and A expenses for the first half were $20,200,000 compared to $17,200,000 in the prior year period. Speaker 400:13:11Operating income for the 1st 6 months was $18,100,000 an increase of 75% from the 2022 first half. Year to date earnings were similarly impacted by foreign currency headwinds, lower net interest expense and tax benefits discussed before. Net income aggregated $13,800,000 or $1.59 per diluted share compared to $6,100,000 or $0.71 per diluted share and the comparable year period. First half adjusted EBITDA was $25,900,000 or 13.2 percent of sales compared to 17 point $5,000,000 in the prior year. In 202023, the company is beginning to see a return to normal seasonality after several years of unusual Based on normal seasonality, the company anticipates that second half 2023 sales and gross margin percent will be lower than the first half of twenty twenty three. Speaker 400:14:11The business seasonality has a direct impact Our product sales volume and mix. We anticipate that a combination of normal seasonality and the slowdown in some of our markets will result in a full year Product sales for 2023 are flat to slightly lower than the full year product sales in 2022. We also anticipate the second half gross margins will be impacted by normal seasonality resulting in mix shifts, coupled with potentially lower fixed cost leverage, which we expect will produce a full year gross margin in the range of 17% to 19% compared to the full year 2022 gross margin of 13.9 Turning now to the company's financial position. Starting with a discussion of cash flow. The company's cash provided by operating activities were $18,900,000 for the 6 months ended June 30, 2023, And capital expenditures for the year were $4,500,000 resulting in a positive free cash flow of $14,400,000 for the first half of the year. Speaker 400:15:11We expect to generate free cash flows for the remainder of the year as operating cash flows are expected to outpace Capital expenditures and working capital continues to be tightly managed. Our full year capital expenditures are estimated to be between $11,000,000 $13,000,000 in 2023. At June 30, the company had ample liquidity of $64,200,000 to invest in and grow the business, which includes a combination Cash and cash equivalents and availabilities under the revolver Speaker 500:15:43and Speaker 400:15:43capital credit lines. The company also had term debt of 23 point Our working capital continues to be well managed and netted to $45,000,000 as of June. And we ended the quarter with accounts receivable of $50,400,000 with a DSO of 46 days, down from 48 days in Q1. Inventories were well controlled and remained less than 1 times accounts payable at the end of June. Finally, our return on capital employed, a pre tax return metric improved to 23.6 prudent and strategic manner and believe that a combination of good liquidity and a strong balance sheet provides flexibility to focus on our growth strategic growth initiatives. Speaker 400:16:40As Dave discussed, we continue to work on operational efficiencies at all our plants and the higher margin technical solution sales to improve margins and reduce the impact of product mix shifts in our business. Our must win battle for 2023 includes institutionalizing major productivity and quality improvements as well as scrap reductions, labor productivity and reduction of overhead spending. We're also focused on operational improvements with our new product launches, which usually take up to a Our operational performance and efficiency goals are targeting further long term gross margin enhancement as well as increased capacity, throughput and return on capital. Our full attention and focus as a company Our 4 strategic growth initiatives that include revenue growth, technical solution sales, profitability improvements and free cash flow generation. And all of our goal, objectives and targets flow down from these. Speaker 400:17:40And we plan to stay on course with consistency and focus on by maintaining our operational and performance enhancements as well as working on additional continuous improvement initiatives. The entire management team is dedicated to our strategic growth and profitability goals with programs to drive long term value creation. With that, I'd like to turn it back to Dave for some final comments. Thank you, Speaker 200:18:04John. Reaching and then working to maintain a 15% productivity improvement in the 1st 6 months of this year took and will continue to take daily operational discipline and continual improvement. We have upgraded our frontline leader onboarding and training in 4 locations and we'll continue to roll this out across the organization. As both John and I have explained, our must win battle for 2023 is about fully embedding the continuous improvement systems into our more challenged operations, which benefits our sheet molding compound plants the most. With the systematic improvements in place and sustained, we can now focus on scaling the continuous improvement structure and company wide cross functional technical projects. Speaker 200:18:53We have also expanded our internship program and have incorporated an and educational co op program in some locations. We are providing technical training by partnering with external agencies for funding and facilitated technical programs. All of this is to support and strengthen our team and in turn strengthen our organizational capabilities. We have communicated our goals throughout the organization, which places a high level of focus into driving speed and quality of event on our must win battle initiative. We will continue to increase productivity, reduce costs and expand our capacity by as much as 20% within the focus locations. Speaker 200:19:38This drives better return metrics on our investments and creates a stronger foundation for success as we plan for the next level of growth at Core Molding. We have communicated that we plan to add capacity and we are currently evaluating the best approach, either by acquisition, facility expansion or greenfield site. As I mentioned last quarter, we are also adding additional automation to support further production efficiencies, reduce costs and increase capacity. Our 2023 must win battle was a foundational step in maximizing current machine capacity and freeing up technical expertise before investing in step function growth, which will accelerate our long term value creation and shareholder returns. Our 2023 outlook includes continuing to expand our revenue diversification by industry with high value engineered solutions that enhance our margin profiles further. Speaker 200:20:37We are monitoring the demand environment and customer forecasts in the second half of 'twenty three and into 'twenty four and are continuing to calibrate asset and labor utilizations. We are cautiously optimistic about the rest of 2023 and believe that the first half performance has set us up well for a strong full year 2023 performance compared to 2022. We're taking advantage of opportunities in various industries that require new solutions, including opportunities resulting from government funded infrastructure and sustainability projects. Coming into 2023, We understood that we needed all locations operating at a high level, not just most of them, and making this happen was foundational to successfully executing the long term growth of the company. We believe our progress in the first half of the year has set us up to turn more of our attention to growing the company both organically and through acquisitions. Speaker 200:21:35Our team is ready to drive the company forward towards our long term goals and to deliver long term shareholder value. Finally, we will be at the Midwest Ideas Conference in Chicago on August 24, if you would like to meet with us in person, and we welcome your questions on today's call or on a follow-up call. With that, I would like to open up the line for questions. Operator? Operator00:22:39The first question comes from Tim Moore with EF Hutton. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:22:47Thanks and congratulations on the very strong gross margin and operating margin expansion. I mean, like you said, it was The highest margin in over a decade. Maybe I just want to start out first with sales guidance. You kind of elaborated on that. And is my understanding correct that a lot of it has to do with the seasonality? Speaker 500:23:10Last year might have been some tail end of pandemic demand catch up, still production in full swing and abnormally high for powersports and even maybe some of the commercial trucks, but you're expecting more normalized seasonality for this year and that would explain the sales tough comparables from last year? Speaker 200:23:28Yes, that's a really good view on it, Tim. I think what we've seen in the past with COVID and the supply chain shortages, There were a lot of changes that customers made to either extend their product lines or fill the dealerships and fill the pipeline. So I think we're seeing that coming back with the supply chain shortages reduced. We're coming back to the normal seasonality, which we've always seen as far as Q1, Q2 being the highest and then Q3 tailing off and then Q4 when it's really into the holiday season. That's exactly what we're seeing this year. Speaker 500:24:03Great. That's helpful color. And my next question revolves around your Production efficiencies and your 15% productivity improvement goal this year. So this is a 2 part question. For your gross margin guidance of 17% to 19% for the year that you might be at the lower end of the range Despite doing, I think, 19.4% in the first half of the year, but just given the way that that seasonality lines up for the second half of the year on the sales, Do you think maybe be at the lower end of the 17% to 19% gross margin for the year? Speaker 200:24:47Yes, I'll answer the first question And leave it to John for the second question on the forecast. So as far as the productivity, we're really looking at the overall productivity, the 2 plants in question, The SMC plants, we're 15%. We had said from the beginning that we would probably get about at least 20% overall throughput for those plants Before you start moving on to the next phase, so we're seeing that sustainability take place and those plants become Integrated into the overall continuous improvement processes for the entire company. Speaker 400:25:30Yeah. And Tim, on the 2017 to 2019, I think right now we would say we're pretty comfortable that we're kind of in the middle of that. What will happen is that Well, over the next 6 months, volumes mean a lot. It will determine our fixed cost leverage. And so we'll watch the volumes and from the seasonality and where we think revenue volumes come in. Speaker 400:25:51And then the other piece is a little bit of mix. Mix can change Throughout the 6 months, we get forecast from customers. But to tell you the truth, those forecasts are probably good for about a month and they constantly change. And so A little bit of mix comes into play also, but we're probably right now thinking that we're right about in the middle of that, but we'll watch volumes and mix is what will really drive the difference Speaker 500:26:17That's very helpful color, Dave and John. My next question is around SG and A. I noticed it ticked up a bit in the June quarter, and I'm guessing it's probably because of the way you do bonus accruals. Should we expect SG and A as a percentage of sales to be lower in the second half of the year than it was in the first half of the year? Speaker 400:26:38Maybe not as a percent of sales. The way I look at it is, there's a fixed piece of our SG and A and then there's a variable. Really the variable piece of our SG and A is Our bonus compensation, we do try to match our bonus expense with our earnings, do a matching principle from accounting. And so the first half of the year During the second half of the year, the way I kind of look at it is our fixed run rate of SG and A is around $8,500,000 Is where it is. That's really just the people that come to work every day, the normal pay and those types of things. Speaker 400:27:16And then any difference $8,500,000 and what you see in the SG and A is usually a bonus accrual type thing. And so you can see for the first Couple of months, Q1 it was about $1,100,000 this quarter it was $1,900,000 I would expect bonus expense accruals to go down in 3rd Q4 just because again we try to match that with earnings and we think earnings will be a little bit lower in the 3rd Q4. Speaker 500:27:40That's helpful. My next question is more strategic. This is a great attribute of your capacity expansion goals. And As David said before, it's a combination of organic and just internal expansion in brownfield. But Can you give us maybe a sense, if maybe your goal or near term goal is 20% capacity expansion, How long does something like the utility certification take month wise maybe? Speaker 500:28:13And then when do How long is kind of lead time from when you get the automation machines in and certified to when you start seeing a ramp up in sales for some of that maybe $12,000,000 of new launches that you mentioned in your prepared remarks? Speaker 200:28:29Yes, I mean, if I look at just a standard law, it will vary, say, anywhere between, say, At the minimum 6 months, if you're transferring a program to about 18 months or so as far as the overall launch. I think the big thing for us though, it's a continual process. So we haven't stopped and there's still programs that are in our pipeline that we're working on now, looking at what we can do to capacitize that volume, whether that's acquisition or greenfield site For an expansion of our current facilities, which we have been doing, but we're at a point now where we're at a brick and mortar situation. Speaker 500:29:11Great. That's very helpful, Dave. My last question is around free cash flow. I feel like investors really haven't caught on to this. You've been doing a lot of growth CapEx, but it really shown through in this quarter with $14,000,000 of free cash flow in the first half of this year already, $12,000,000 just on the June quarter. Speaker 500:29:31As you think about the second half of the year, with the natural sales cadence that you've talked about, and probably some working capital benefit maybe as you collect ARs and receivables. Would I be off thinking that maybe you could do 18 Speaker 400:29:51Yes, Tim, I think you no, I don't think it would be off. Again, we do believe we'll generate cash Flows for the second half of the year also. I think where we are now with our operational improvements we've made, even with slower sales, we believe We'll kick off operating cash flows, pretty good operating cash flows. It really probably from a free cash flow, it will matter how much of that $11,000,000 to $13,000,000 of CapEx we can do. It's not always about Not wanting to spend it, it's about trying to get the projects done and find resources to do the projects, sometimes getting equipment in that you've ordered and stuff. Speaker 400:30:29And so I think no, I don't think you would have a problem at the upper end of the teens there that free cash flow for the year is an initial projection. Speaker 500:30:39Thanks, John and Dave. This is very helpful and insightful, and I look forward to continued EBITDA and profitability enhancement over the next couple of years. Operator00:30:53The next question comes from JP Geygan with Global Value Investment Corporation. Please go ahead. Speaker 300:31:01Thanks and good morning, gentlemen. My first question has been answered in parts in a number of different ways, but at the risk of asking you to repeat yourself, I'll ask it again. You've done a great job really optimizing your asset base and improving productivity. And you've talked in a lot of ways about kind of this must win battle for 2023 and the productivity you still expect to gain. But looking forward beyond 'twenty three, how should we expect you to Grow organically using your existing asset base, given comments you made about automation or other efficiency improvements or maybe said another way, how much can you really squeeze out of the existing business before you're forced to turn to something inorganic. Speaker 300:31:48And then maybe the second part of the question, which is connected to this. What form or what How will you decide the form that inorganic growth will take in terms of acquisition versus greenfield, products, geography, that kind of decision tree? Speaker 200:32:09So on the first question, JP, I think it's a good question. For us, we've been evaluating and a lot of it really has to do with how far we can get our current systems. We have Currently filled all the, what I would say, the holes in our plants, where you have a you can put a large asset into the pit and the facilities. So we've really maxed out the facilities relative to being able to put large presses in place. That was a first step. Speaker 200:32:36Our step right now is really about maximizing the output of all the facilities with all the assets. So that's really the must win battle and what that does is free up the resources and stabilize the operational system so that Now we're ready to look at what acquisitions we can do and make those acquisitions quickly and successfully with the resources and being able to put in the core operational model. So that's really kind of the overall plan that we had from the beginning. What I would say that continuous improvement as we continue to put in automation and improvements, you're not going to see 20%, 25% a year, maybe it's 4% to 6% a year, somewhere below 10% a year on your existing assets. But there is where we're really looking at, do we need to expand the facility, Do a greenfield or do an acquisition. Speaker 200:33:29And I think it really depends on what the strategic benefit is of it. If we have 4 or 5 different areas that we want to get out of an acquisition, whether that's sales channels, capacity, A new technology or a new material and process, it depends on how many of those have fixed and Where that fits within the does it make more sense to do the acquisition than do the expansion? Speaker 300:33:58All right. That's helpful. Speaker 200:33:59Maybe that's a long answer to your question. Speaker 300:34:02It's very comprehensive though, and I appreciate the additional color. It's helpful to understand your thought process as you go through this. In terms of capital allocation, I think For investors who have been around for a while, the sting of the HPI acquisition, at least initially, which and it turned out to be a good acquisition it seems. But You might have bit off a little bit more than you could chew from a financial standpoint. How do you think about funding expansion after this? Speaker 300:34:28And then how should we think about your capital allocation priorities given that you're really bumping up against capacity in your existing infrastructure? Speaker 400:34:41Yes. I think, I mean, we will take the actually a little bit of the same process we took in 2018 when we did arise and we went into that deal and were less than 2 times EBITDA when we did all our models. Don't know that we really thought we were going to go into the turnaround in the traditional business that we did, which really caused us the issue. But I don't think we've mentally Change strategically on how we look at the capital. We are not an aggressive company where we're going to go out 3, 4, 5 times Our EBITDA and leverage up the balance sheet, we are going to be pretty responsible. Speaker 400:35:15We're probably going to be between 2 times and 2.5 times. We'll make sure we model out Even during downturns and everything else that we can handle whatever leverage we bring on to the financial statements. So I think we'll stay pretty conservative in that And point not over lever the balance sheet. The benefit we have now is that our EBITDA is much higher even and so it does allow us Probably and we're a much more diversified company. So it reduces the risk of any certain industry, The downturn in any certain industry hurting our financials. Speaker 400:35:46And so I think we're in a much better position now, but we're probably in the same Process, it wouldn't be any more than 2 to 2.5 times. As far as internal growth capital, the nice thing We set ourselves up about a year ago when we did the CapEx line. We went into that the debt structure that we have that has a 5 year debt structure that allows us If we wanted to do expansion, that is CapEx, we have our cash on hand, plus we have a CapEx line specifically for that, that has separate covenants and rules and payments and those types of things. So I think that $25,000,000 there to really allow us to expand the business organically and grow organically if we wanted to. So I think we're really set up with different ways to finance the business, but We're not going to get overly aggressive. Speaker 400:36:36We'll stay EBITDA no more levered than probably 2 to 2.5 on an acquisition, probably even less That is through organic growth. Speaker 300:36:48Okay. And finally for me, could you talk a little bit about the labor situation that you're seeing today as that's been the nexus of some cost pressures for a couple of years now? Yes. Speaker 200:37:01I mean, what we were seeing a year ago, maybe a year and Half ago is not nearly what we're seeing today. In most of our locations, we've had to adapt for sure as far as Our labor wage rates as far as being competitive and constantly watching that relative to the areas and seeing if new businesses are moving in. So we're constantly looking at that. We've done a lot with our onboarding and our training and our facilities to where it's a trying to make it a better place when people come So that they don't go somewhere else or have the want to go somewhere else. So we've done a very holistic view of it on what we need to do. Speaker 200:37:42For sure, there's always more to do and improve and we continue to do that. But I would say that the area that still I think everyone I talk to has challenges It's really more on the skilled trades or hands on technical like PLC programming and controls and things like that. Speaker 300:38:03Okay. Thanks for taking my questions today. Appreciate it. Speaker 200:38:06All right. Thanks, JP. Thanks, JP. Operator00:38:20This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Dave Duvall for any closing remarks. Speaker 200:38:29Thank you for your continued interest in our company. We look forward to providing an update of our progress when we report the Q3 results in a few months. Thank you. Operator00:38:40The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.Read morePowered by