Innergex Renewable Energy Q2 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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August 9, 2023

There are 10 speakers on the call.

Operator

Morning, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for standing by. Welcome to Energex Renewable Energy's 2023 2nd Quarter Results Conference Call and Webcast. Systeme Eventbras Synergix Energie Renewflab. At this time, all participants on the phone and Internet are in a listen only mode.

Operator

Following the presentation, we will conduct a question and answer session for analysts and institutional investors and and instructions will be provided at that time for you to queue up for questions. I would like to remind everyone that this conference call is being recorded. I will now turn the conference over to Karen Vachon, Senior Director, Communications. Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Hello, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. I'd like to specify that this conference will be held in English. Members of the media are invited to have their A presentation supporting today's discussion is available as we speak on the homepage of our website at3w.innergex.com. This call contains forward looking statements within the meaning of applicable securities laws.

Speaker 1

Although the corporation believes that the expectations and assumptions on which forward looking statements are based are reasonable under the current circumstances, Listeners are cautioned not to rely on Julie on these forward looking statements as no assurance can be given that it will prove to be correct. Forward looking information contained herein is made as of the date of this call and the corporation does not undertake any obligation to update or revise any forward looking information whether as a result of events or circumstances occurring after the date hereof unless required by law. During this call, we will refer to financial measures that are not recognized according to International Financial Reporting Standards. Please refer to the non IFRS measures section of the MD and A for more information. Our speakers today will be Mr.

Speaker 1

Michel Letelier, President and Chief Executive Officer, who will present our corporate development and growth opportunities and Mr. Jean Frodele, Chief Financial Officer, will discuss the execution of new initiatives and financial overview. I'll now turn the conference over to Mr. Lotegi.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Kaitlyn, and good morning, everybody. Thank you for being with us this morning. I'm pleased To talk to you this morning regarding the achievement we have done in the last quarter, I think we've done very good advancement in our development activities and construction, But also we have been concentrating our activities also on our funding initiatives. And on that note, we were very pleased to welcome L'Ether Agricole In our French portfolio, as you might have seen, Presidente Ecologist bought 30% of our platform in France. I think that it's a great opportunity for us to join a great financial institution in France.

Speaker 2

It also demonstrates the value that our French team has done over the years. As you know, French development takes quite a bit of time. We haven't seen yet many projects coming from our greenfield initiative, but it's just that the fact that It takes 5 to 6 years to develop in France is the reason why we haven't yet see the benefit of the work that our development team has done. But this transaction is showing that French institution or European institution Can see through these development period and have crystallized some of the value on that portfolio effort on the development side. So pretty happy to have a long term partner that will help develop the French activities And we might create some synergy also in the development and with their relationship with local community.

Speaker 2

So pretty pleased to have that announcement done. And this is obviously helping our funding activities And he will help fund and help our growth development. John is going to Talk about it a little bit more. We have, as you know, other initiatives on the way to create a little bit more liquidity for funding our activities going forward. On that note, I would switch to Page 5.

Speaker 2

I'd like to talk to you about our development and construction activities, more specifically on project by project. As you No, we've been working hard in Innovic to make sure that we can put that project in COD. Pleased to know that we have done A lot of testing. We have been successful in rising the head pound on our facility. So now We have the ability to test our turbine.

Speaker 2

Final testing with Hato Quebec should occur in So that by the end of September, we should be in full COD mode. Pretty impressive work over the years and I'm proud On that task on that project because we are, as you might recall, displacing 90% of all the diesel That remote community have used over the years and very proud to have our partner, the Inuit, being Couple of megawatts in Salvador and this is going to increase by week, so that by the end of August, beginning of September, we should be in full COD mode in Salvador and San Andres will be following by the end of November, December, we should So be in operation in San Andres just in time for summer, I guess, peak production in the solar area of Chile. As you know, this part of the Chilean market Is affected by the fact that a lot of solar is producing during the day. So great volatility there. That's why we think that the storage facility will take advantage of this great volatility as we discussed before.

Speaker 2

So pretty optimistic On the output of this machine, on the long run, there will be also some opportunity to fix These revenue through either PPA or future RFP for storage in Chile. I'll come back to this a little bit later. But for the time being, the short term volatility of that market will be Great for this asset and looking forward to see this in operation very soon. Very proud also on Boswell Spring. The team has worked very hard to start construction.

Speaker 2

Pleased to announce that Almost 50% of the transmission line is done. We have about 20% of the foundation of the turbine already core. So construction is well underway in Boswell and John is going to talk about the initiative for funding This great project, but all good green light on Boswell. We still hope to have this project being in operation by the end of 2024. Halicoy finally we got the PPA price increase approved by the PUC has been a while, but this is a great news.

Speaker 2

56% price increase is allowing us to restart the construction on-site. COD date should be Q3, Q4, 2024. Ms. Giga Justin, as you know, is the extension of our existing project MU1 together with our 3 Mi'kmaq partner in the initial one. So we have actually, Again, partner to create this opportunity for MU2.

Speaker 2

Glad to announce that we have completed our We signed the PPA with Hydro Quebec, ongoing discussion with turbine supplier and construction provider in order to have this project being in COD in 2026. Au Boirengier in France, The interesting fact that we managed to actually re price this PPA by putting it into A new phase of RFP. We increased the price by a little bit over €10.10 per megawatt. So Great initiative from the part of our development team in France. So this project shows that when you have Sometimes PPA price that in past PPA prices were a little bit low.

Speaker 2

There is In some markets, the ability to increase that. We've seen that in Hawaii and now in this case on Boireny. So Team has taken the advantage of these RFPs to increase the profitability of that project, very pleased on that aspect. If you switch to Page 6, I'm going to talk a little bit about our opportunity to develop in our 4 markets. I think that you have heard us saying that we have a lot more opportunity In Canada and U.

Speaker 2

S, France and Chile than in the past. Energex is Really focusing on greenfield development. We've been active in the M and A in the latest past, But we're focusing now on greenfield development. We have tremendous opportunity starting Canada, as you may recall, we have talked about Quebec, but I think the rest of Canada is waking up also great opportunity In British Columbia also going to have NRFP in 2024. We were waiting for This call for a bit.

Speaker 2

They will also come for future calls. Saskatchewan is active with 2,000 Megawatt call solar and wind. We have some project down there to be able to put into the ERFP In the next few months, Ontario, as you know, has been active in storage opportunity. I think that they will also be in the near future looking for more renewable energy, wind and solar. So we'll get ready down there But the most active opportunity in the short term and midterm is Quebec.

Speaker 2

Quebec is looking for A lot of new RFP. We have the support entity coming in September to Answer the actual RFP, but more are to come. We're talking about probably 12,000 megawatt of wind in the next 10 years or so, so great opportunity for us. All the development in Canada We'll have some shape or form will have to be partnership between 1st Nation and community. Innergex is well positioned.

Speaker 2

We have been embracing This type of joint venture in the past, we have our culture being developed to fit well into these type of structure. So we think that we have this well, we are very well positioned to take advantage of the development in Canada. I think this is creating a little bit of barrier of entry for other players that might not be as comfortable as we are in that type of partnership. New Brunswick is a small market, but It's also quite active these days and we're well positioned in that market as well. Page 7, United States as you know is probably one of the biggest market in the world Aside China, but really don't worry, we're not in China at all.

Speaker 2

But we have to focus a little bit on some area. Of course, the market is so huge. It would be very difficult to cover it all. But we you're seeing here Some area where we are working hard. We think that we can also expand on the existing footprint that we have.

Speaker 2

We are As you know, in Ohio, Haida, Wyoming, we're very close also to the Northwest with our facility In British Columbia. So we are working in these areas. As you know, we have Both solar and wind, very few opportunity for hydro, but working hard We have also been able to be very effective in creating structure with the tax equity. So we're very familiar with these facility. Jean is going to talk about what we have done for Boswell.

Speaker 2

So We're well equipped and I think that we have support from tax equity and lenders players In order to support big project in the States. So we don't need that many projects to be put in service in States, Projects like Boswell, Palomino, those are pretty big project, 300, 200 Megawatt. We're working with Watoma is an example for 400 Megawatt in the Northwest. So very optimistic on our ability to deliver it in the United States. We're focusing on few area of very promising market where we already have some footprint and people on the ground in these market.

Speaker 2

Page 8, the other market where we are active, I just spoke about France. France, I think is a market where we can create a little bit it's a little bit of a niche market in a sense that Projects are not big, certainly not as big as in U. S. Or in Canada. But given the complexity of developing in French, Once you have a project that is ready to go into construction, usually you have a little bit better margin than in other area.

Speaker 2

Just the That is more complicated and the demand for the product is great. So we have this market as a little bit of a niche. Love the fact that we have now pretty critical to support the future development. Like I said, we may be able Very pleased and positive about the team. Congrats the team in France.

Speaker 2

They worked really hard in the last few months to deliver this transaction And they are looking forward to work in developing more project in France both in solar and wind. Chile, as you know, is not again a big market, but it's a market where we, I think, have mastered the recipe to have success in Chile. As you know, we want to have a diversified portfolio with many point of delivery through the market. That's what we have. As you know, we have hydro with storage, we have wind, we have solar And now we will have some battery.

Speaker 2

So we're very well equipped to service this market. I don't think this market will expand that much in our portfolio, but I think we can create great opportunity for us to be a strong player in Chile and a profitable player in Chile. If we go into the other slide, We're showing a little bit our diversification target in revenue. I think that we just spoke about our core market Chile, French, U. S.

Speaker 2

And Canada. As you see right now Chile is representing roughly 12%. We don't think we would expand A lot more as we're mentioning Chile has some great opportunity, but it's a fairly small market. So as USA and Canada grow, They will pick up a little bit more space in our portfolio. France, we love the market as I mentioned.

Speaker 2

But again, Those are fairly small project, profitable project, but small. So it'd be hard to see France being much bigger than 10%, 15% of our portfolio. USA is a strong, strong market. I think we can grow pretty fast also there. But we want to make sure that when we grow in the USA, it will be profitable.

Speaker 2

So we think that the USA should something around 30% of our portfolio. And I think that in Canada, Innergex has a Canadian company as a culture Also to be also partner of choice of First Nation and community, I think this is where we have the strongest competitive advantage. So we think that the Canada will remain in at least 50 percent of our portfolio going forward. In terms of contracted facility, I think that the long term contract has been What we are looking for in our history, we still want to have long term contract. But today's opportunity sometimes creates a lot of great financial opportunity to take advantage sometimes Of shortage of energy in some part of the world.

Speaker 2

So we remain, I would say, opportunistic In our view of sometimes staying a merchant, sometimes it's just a transitory phase where we would be waiting to have the great opportunity to sign long term PPA. Chile is a good example. I think that we have been patient with our Commitment to have longer PPA. We have been taking advantage of great opportunity There you know that in France we took also the important entity to stay floating on couple of our projects. So I think we just want to be opportunistic there.

Speaker 2

But when we have the chance to secure long term PPA, that's what we like to do. You know that we are also matching project finance with that type of long term PPA. Jean is going to also expand on that fact. We have opportunity as you know to refinance some of the hydro facility where we have actually re contracted those facility after 20 years PPA has expired. In conclusion, I think that our sector, as you all know, is booming.

Speaker 2

I think that this morning we had The news that July 2023 was the hottest July ever. They say that it never been hot Like that in July for 120,000 years. This doesn't bode very well for the future. I think that you Have experience in some shape or form extreme weather pattern, really Warm extreme heat in some places, the Southwest Of the United States is under a heat wave right now. Texas is running at 105 degrees.

Speaker 2

So I think that the world is waking up And seeing that we have to do something about cleaning up and reduce the CO2 emission. And we think that in all our market, we have great opportunity to take advantage of that. So Energex is going to focus on greenfield development opportunities. We have feet on the ground, I'm sorry, In many of our markets, our teams are experienced. We have some great opportunity to secure RFP.

Speaker 2

We are going to focus on putting and enhancing our greenfield development portfolio in order to be in a great position to secure the future long term PPA in those RFP. So on that, I would give floor to Jean and we'll be able for answering a question afterwards. Thank you.

Speaker 3

All right. Thank you, Michel, and good morning, everyone. So on Slide 11, I thought to talk about a little bit the financial performance. So the corporation actually posted strong growth for the 3 months ended June 30, 2023 compared to the same period last year. Production was up 3% at 2.9 gigawatt hour 2,900 gigawatt hour.

Speaker 3

Revenues and production tax credits were up 13% at CAD59 1,000,000 compared with the same period last year. This increase is mainly explained by the contribution of the acquisitions of AERA and the Sault Ste. Marie facilities in Ontario, higher generation at the Curtis Palmer Hydro facilities in the U. S. And higher net selling prices from the Chilean facilities And also higher production and revenues from the French wind facilities due to the new BPAs at higher sitting prices that are in place at some of our facilities in France and also higher production at the hydro facilities in British Columbia.

Speaker 3

These items were partly offset by lower production and selling prices at the Griffin Trail wind facility in the U. S, lower production from the wind facilities in Quebec and lower net selling prices at the CB solar facility in the U. S. So So for the 3 month period, operating, general, administrative and prospective project expenses were up 19% at $79,000,000 compared with the same period last year. The increase is attributable to higher maintenance expenses at several of our facilities in Quebec, The acquisition of AERA and the impact of the 2022 supplementary budget act in France, which measure should end actually in December 2023.

Speaker 3

And these items were partly offset by lower maintenance costs at some of our BC facilities and lower operating expenses at the Chilean solar facility. As a result, Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter reached $187,000,000 which represents a 17% increase compared to the same period last year. Revenues and production tax credits proportionate were up 13% at $285,000,000 and adjusted EBITDA proportionate reached $199,000,000 which represents an 18% increase compared to the same period last year. The corporation recorded net earnings of $25,000,000 for the 3 months ended June 30 and compared with a net loss of $24,000,000 for the same period last So on the next slide, for the trailing 12 months, for the corresponding period last year. This decrease was primarily explained by a decrease in cash flows from operating activities marked by exceptionally low water flows in BC as we discussed before in Q4 2022 and Q1 2023, which overshadowed really the contributions from our recent acquisitions.

Speaker 3

It was also explained by an increase in interest paid Mainly stemming from additional indebtedness to finance acquisitions or with loans coming with acquisitions like Sault Ste. Marie for example and also to finance the construction activities, but also the timing of semi annual payments on the Chilean green bonds and also a slight increase in maintenance capital expenditures. These items were partly offset by the increase in merchant pricing at certain U. S. And Chilean facilities, a decrease in free cash flow attributed to non controlling interest of the BC Hydro facilities.

Speaker 3

So the decrease of $58,000,000 in free cash flows resulted in a payout ratio of 127% for the trailing 12 months compared with 82% for the same period last year. So I think it's important to normalize these figures. So what we are providing you with information is The normalized long term average excluding our operations in Chile because they react differently, the pricing will compensate the lower LTA lower production. So we normalized LTA for all our facilities assuming 100% of LTA except for Chile. And so if we had met this for Q2 only, revenues and production tax credits and adjusted EBITDA proportionate would have reached $289,000,000 $210,000,000 respectively in the 2nd quarter.

Speaker 3

So there's a variation of 20,000,000 And on a trailing 12 months basis, again excluding the Chilean operations, when we adjust the 4 previous quarters normalized for 100 percent LTA, the resulting payout ratio would have been in a range from 75% to 80%. This is really a figure that's important because it really represents our earnings powers and capacity to generate free cash flow had we had been in a normal weather environment. So next slide talking about the funding initiatives, I would just taking a few minutes to talk about it. Firstly, I guess on July 14, we announced financial close of our Boswell Springs wind project. We're very pleased with the terms of this financing.

Speaker 3

It demonstrates for you the strong market confidence in Energex technical and financial abilities to develop this high quality and well structured asset, Which will generate attractive cash flows once in COD. We out of this financing, we used $136,000,000 to actually reduce the corporate revolving facility at closing. And the next step is to obtain the commitment from the tax equity investors and this is a process that's very well advanced and expected to close during Q3 2023. Just second initiative, on August 7, as Michel mentioned, we are very proud to announce signature of the agreement for the long term partnership with Credit Agricole Insurance for the minority interest in the French portfolio, which represented proceeds of $188,000,000 And as Michel mentioned, this is a very good demonstration of the confidence of this strong French partner and our ability and our French team ability to create value in this market. So the proceeds will be used at closing immediately to reduce Energex corporate facility, corporate revolving facility and then of course used to fund our growth activities going forward.

Speaker 3

The long term co investment agreement will also support Energex development and growth strategy in France by providing additional equity commitments from CAA for the development and financing of ongoing projects at various stages of development in France. The transaction is expected to close in the second half of twenty twenty three. We have to meet the antitrust threshold and That should be done by in the last half of the year. And finally, We presently own and operate many facilities which are unlevered as you know. We're presently advancing in the non recourse project financing of 3 hydro assets in Canada and this is expected to close in a few months.

Speaker 3

Our intention is to project finance 3 additional facilities as part of the future initiative next year. And these initiatives are specifically there to protect our investment grade rating for the coming years by decreasing the corporate leverage in the future. So the target proceeds for the The first three hydro assets to be financed will amount to about $170,000,000 and approximately $80,000,000 for the 2nd group of facilities next year. This will help us to surpass our $400,000,000 funding target when we combine this initiative with the French sell down. Now about our capital allocation strategy.

Speaker 3

Next slide. So given the diverse sources of capital available to us at the corporate and asset level, we are well positioned to execute our funding plan for organic growth during the next 3 years. So following the execution of the initiatives that we mentioned earlier, Energex available funds will reach about A bit over $500,000,000 to support our capital requirement. So the cash flows from operations, access to non recourse projects financing at the asset level and tax equity partners when we develop or build assets in the U. S.

Speaker 3

And also the available funds under the revolver that are expected to reach, as I said, dollars 500,000,000 with the initiatives that I mentioned before will help will actually be sufficient, I should say, to fund actually the CapEx for 800 megawatts of existing projects under construction project under development and also our prospective project, 160 megawatt prospective project. So this will also finance of course the annual prospective investments to develop new prospective projects for about $35,000,000 to $40,000,000 per year. It will also finance the annual scheduled principal and interest debt payments that we have and of course the annual dividend of $0.72 per share to shareholders annually. So overall, our funding sources are already identified for the next 3 years. The execution of the initiatives intends to strengthen, of course, our balance Our financial foundation and we expect to fund profitable sustained growth while maintaining our commitment to an investment grade rating.

Speaker 3

So I will now turn back the floor to Michel for the closing remarks. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Jean. And I think that we have stuff that we can control. And unfortunately, it's It's difficult to control the weather pattern, but we can certainly have strategy also to diversify our portfolio In order to mitigate any weather pattern that would be coming in the future. I think that we will be focusing on stuff like I said that we can deliver certainly completing the financing of the 3 Hadou assets and also the Fort Initiative will create liquidity for us to continue developing our facility. Working on the construction and delivering on COD date on budget project is so something that we have To deliver on and working really hard on it, we are working towards the COD of Vinavic, Salvador and San Andres battery project in Chile, advancing Boswell Springs and Alcoa so that we can meet our COD date in 2024 Our top priorities for us and of course our development teams are focusing on developing our development portfolio, Being in position to answer RFP, like I said, is top priority as well.

Speaker 2

We have great opportunities in All the 4 market, a special focus will be done in Quebec and in Canada, where we think we Have also a great advantage in terms of our ability to partner with local community and First Nation. So stay tuned For the results of future RFP, our team will be dedicated to make sure that we have product to submit into these RFP. I think also that given the great opportunity that we have, you're seeing a lot more RFP, a lot more demand for our product. So I think that our industry had a little bit of a struggle in the last few years to create and keep margin. I think that going forward, our industry and Innergex has more bargaining power in the sense that we have more opportunity.

Speaker 2

I think that we can create a little bit more margin in order to keep up with the capital cost increase That we've seen in a sense that interest rate has gone up. So theoretically, our induced return on equity has to go up as well. We are fairly like I said in a better position. I think Given the fact that we have a lot of opportunity, of course, there is competition in our world, But the opportunity is a lot more than before. So I think that our price bargaining power has increased a little bit.

Speaker 2

And hence, we are expecting to have a little bit more margin in our project. So on this, I would Open up the question period.

Operator

Thank core. Your first question comes from Kvaitschak from Cormark Securities. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Thanks. Good morning. The Credit Agricole Partnership, they publicly stated that they're reaching or trying to reach a goal of 14 gigawatts of renewable capacity over the near term and you mentioned some of the potential local market synergies. Can you guys expand on what those opportunities might look like, Particularly as it relates to project growth or financing and whether or not that could extend beyond the French borders?

Speaker 2

Well, for the time being, we're focusing on the French market. As you might recall, the French system is providing Twice a year, the opportunity to submit project in RFPs. So I think that Alone, this is creating a lot of opportunity. I would say the limit of this growth is our capacity to generate project takes quite a bit of time to basically get the permits. When we advance project, We tend to have to invest a little bit in front to make sure that we have the social license acceptability in order to answer the calls.

Speaker 2

So the only limit Is our ability to develop project in France. The market will take almost all the project that the system can deliver. Perning process in France has its limit. In the last few years, just over 1,000 Megawatt of solar and wind projects have been permitted per year. So they need almost twice as much.

Speaker 2

So the limit is definitely not the market, it's the ability to produce projects and hence Our ability to create a little bit more value. I mentioned some synergy because Credit Agricole has a lot of local banks, it's not necessarily banks, but they're present all over France. So there's maybe some possibility, Just a little bit like Quebec or Canada to eventually have local community having a small portion ownership of this project and Maybe Agricole can help us, evoluting in this market. That might help the social license of some of the project as well going forward. Going out of the border of France is not necessarily a priority.

Speaker 2

We may eventually in the future look around Europe, but for the time being we're focusing on trends.

Speaker 4

Okay. That's great. Thanks, Michelle. And then in Canada, can you just expand a little bit more on the opportunities that you're seeing by province and What the return profile might look like as you go between each, like if you're thinking from a capital allocation perspective, how would you rank them based off an attractiveness

Speaker 2

core. Quebec first, top, top, top, top, top first. It's Quebec cannot develop Enough. Like I said, 12,000 megawatt of wind in the next 10 years Is going to test the limit on our ability as an industry to build out that much wind facility. Remember that we talked about 20 years to build out the existing portfolio of Quebec 4,000 megawatt.

Speaker 2

Now we want to have 4 not 4, but 3 times as much in half the time. So I think that we'll have a lot of opportunity to deploy capital in Quebec. After that, I think that Saskatchewan is not a big market, but it's a repeating market. And BC will certainly be a great market for us as well. But Ontario Right now he's talking about developing nuclear for the future, but I think that they'll have to make room for renewable energy And they'll have to invest also on the grid to have the ability to have wind being interconnected in the north.

Speaker 2

But for the time being, Quebec is the prime target for us focusing. Saskatchewan is acting like I said, so we're there And we're still in BC as you know we have a strong office in Vancouver and we have a great relationship with First also in BC. So those are the main target in Canada for the time being.

Speaker 4

Excellent. Thank you very much, guys.

Operator

Your next question comes from David Quezada from Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Maybe just the first question on the How discussions are going with off takers at Palomino? It sounds like pricing environment is still pretty supportive. Just curious what you're expecting in terms of timing?

Speaker 2

Well, as you know, PGM is challenge is interconnecting project. I think the demand is really strong. We still have some very good Ongoing discussion with potential off taker in Ohio. We Don't want to be too optimistic, but we are in the final stage of being Put into the fast lane for interconnection. As you have maybe read, we have all the permits for our project in Palomino.

Speaker 2

So I think this is helping also. We have answered a lot of the questions from the grid operator in order to rank the priority of projects. So we have demonstrated that the project is ready to go. We just need a date to interconnect slightly more positive in potentially seeing that project being This late 'twenty five or early 'twenty six. That's the only thing we're waiting is to give us a date And we'll be there.

Speaker 3

And then we would finalize the uptake agreement. The demand is still very strong.

Speaker 4

Okay. Excellent. Thanks for that detail. And then maybe just appreciate that you've got some great opportunities In Quebec and Saskatchewan, I'm just curious in BC as you prepare for that RFP, is there any color you can provide on kind of like the development stage assets That you have that you've kind of kept warm there. And do you anticipate the call will be primarily wind and solar or could it include hydro as well?

Speaker 2

It would be very surprising that it's not excluding but the last Pricing of the BC Hydro has given. As you know, we have renegotiated Rutherford, Meador and Brown. They're looking to have production during winter months and in the falls. They don't need the electricity During the spring fresh air, they have a lot of that product already with their own installation and the existing small hydro fleet. Down the road, it's not impossible.

Speaker 2

They're even talking about potential pump storage. We have couple of pump storage project in the early stage and we certainly can answer RFP on that aspect as well. But it will be mainly wind, maybe some solar, but I think that wind will be the big winner for the next RFP in BC. In terms of project that we have there, we have some project in the Northeast. We have some Also in the Northwest, I think we're very well positioned.

Speaker 2

I don't like to talk too much about Where we are positioned when there's going to be an RFP. But I think that we have assets down there that will be competitive in the future RFP. And like I said, we're very willing and I think we have been A good partner with First Nation in that province as well. And I think we'll be able to take advantage of the experience that we had. Remember that we have more than 21 hydro facility operating in BC with different shape of agreement with First Nations.

Speaker 2

So we have developed Very good long term relationship with many First Nation in BC as well.

Speaker 4

Okay, excellent. Thanks for that, Michel. I'll turn it Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from Rupert Merer from National Bank. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Hi, good morning.

Speaker 3

Good morning. Good morning, Rupert.

Speaker 5

So we're hearing more this morning about supply issues in the wind industry. I was wondering if you could remind us on what your strategy is for Boswell, Whose turbines are you using? And do you have confidence the supply chain will be there to meet your schedule?

Speaker 2

Yes. We have secured the GE turbine last tier, paid the limited notice in advance and that's why also we had recuperated quite a bit of money when we did the financing. The turbines are scheduled to be delivered. We are actually negotiating with GE to have A little bit advanced delivery. We're making room on the facility to store some components.

Speaker 2

So that come spring Next year, they'll be already delivered on-site. So no worries on that aspect unless something really strange happens. Everything is well organized and scheduled and we had to commit money last year in order to do this And also early this year in order to secure these delivery, but we have done that.

Speaker 5

All right, great. And in your disclosures, you talked about higher maintenance costs at several Quebec wind facilities and at Can you talk about what happened there? And are those costs done now? And what are the chances of seeing a reoccurrence?

Speaker 2

In Quebec, it was just like, I would say, a little bit of a bad timing. There's not any basic or fundamental problem with what we have experienced. Sometimes it just happened that you have a little bit more CapEx to do in the quarter. We don't see any pattern in Quebec. The problem that we had with core was related to, I I would be careful there, but it was a serial effect with some bearings that GE Had experience in quite a bit of our turbine.

Speaker 2

They have deployed to their credit a very strong team in order to replace them. It's done now. So on that aspect, we have gone through Some of the same bearing were delivered also in Griffin Trail, but the same repair has been ongoing. Almost everything is done now as well. So hopefully, we won't have any other, I would say, major component to fix, but that problem is behind us now at Rupert.

Speaker 5

Okay. Thank you. And then was that Largely covered by the total amount at your cost.

Speaker 2

Well, they did the repair at their cost. The problem is that we had reached the availability guaranteed. So we lost revenue In the last year based on that, but the repair was mainly covered by Their O and M guarantee serviced.

Speaker 5

Okay. I see. Thank you very much. I'll leave it there. Thanks.

Operator

Your next question comes from Nelson Ng from RBC. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Great. Thanks and good morning everyone. My first question, and that was only out yesterday, but I guess any initial thoughts on The Power Canada Forward Vision document that the federal government released last night. I know it sounds like Alberta wasn't too happy With the document in terms of potential strings attached to tax credits, but I was wondering if you have any initial thoughts.

Speaker 2

I think it's just the right thing to do. If you want the money, well, act for it. For me, I don't think that as you know, Alberta is not a market that we're interested in. We are focusing on Quebec, Ontario and BC. I think that these and New Brunswick as well and Saskatchewan, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2

So I think it if you're to provide that much money and support and I think that Alberta and West Prairie's are receiving quite a bit of commitment for CO2 capture. So I'm not a politician. I don't certainly don't want to do politician. But usually when you Support an industry, you are hoping that this industry is reacting And acting on good faith to reduce their CO2 emission. That's what the funding is for.

Speaker 2

So I think that it's just the right thing to do. And I think that in the market where we are actually active We'll benefit from these federal initiatives.

Speaker 4

Okay.

Speaker 6

Thanks for your thoughts. And then the next question is probably for Jean. In terms of raising debt on the 3 hydro assets, I presume it will be like long term fixed rate advertising debt. Given where interest rates are in terms of how high they are, is there any way to structure the debt Or leave some of the debt floating to benefit from long term rates when they eventually come down? Or is it your strategy to just kind of Fixed the rate today.

Speaker 3

Yes. So it will be fixed rate. So we structured as a typical project finance with 20 year award. It's on 3 hydro assets. So We try to obviously maximize or optimize the rate by decreasing the spread over the Canadian bond, Which is elevated, but not that high if you think about the last 10 or 15 years.

Speaker 3

I mean, we've lived into an era where bond yield was So low that makes us think that this rate is not as attractive, but the intent is to fix. We've hedged portion of our exposure until closing for that. And we have what we structured in the deal is An interest only period. So we'll start amortization of the loan after, If I'm not mistaken 5 or 6 years, 5.5 years I think actually. So that's how we will play it out.

Speaker 3

So the idea to have 2 stages also is to that enables us to do one initiative with 1 lender only. And then the second initiative will be done next year and also in a group of hydro assets

Speaker 2

Again, yes. I think that like you're saying Jean, this 2 phase might give us the opportunity to take advantage of potentially long term bond decreasing. But like you're saying, Sean, long term bonds, 10 years to 20 years are in the range It's more expensive obviously than the last 4 or 5 years. But I come from a time my age is showing where bonds were trading at 10%. So not that It is expensive, but I think it's still competitive.

Speaker 2

Cost of financing, certainly comparing to stock or equity. So I think that we're taking advantage of the market and we think that We can redeploy that money at a much higher rate.

Speaker 6

Okay. That's great. So just to clarify, when you raise this debt And get roughly $170,000,000 of proceeds. You're pulling these assets from That supports, right? So does the size of the credit facility have to come down or

Speaker 3

No, actually Right now we have 950,000,000 of facility and the so it's Supported by the assets that are unlevered, but also by all the excess cash flow from all of the other assets, right. So it's sufficient right now to support the $950,000,000 and more. So even by doing this, We will delever the corporate facility, but we'll keep the same access to the 950 anyway. We're actually Right now, I'm amending also that facility in view of that hydro refinancing. And right now, I don't see any reason Why we wouldn't lower the availability under the RCF.

Speaker 3

And it's the same thing when the second phase of that financing will happen, we'll still Keep the same availability under the RCF anyway. Yes.

Speaker 2

So Nelson, at the end of the day, when those initiatives will have Been completed, we'll have well above $500,000,000 availability on that line of credit. So hence A lot more flexibility in terms of using this as a funding base for our developing activities. Yes.

Speaker 3

And as we Put in PUD the assets that are under construction under PUD, obviously it helps to grow the cash flows that are supporting the 950 RCS And eventually more obviously in time. But the idea is always to keep a level of corporate debt that will satisfy our Fitch rating to remain investment grade. So we keep these measures always in check just to make sure that the ratios Are okay for that purpose.

Speaker 6

Okay. Thanks. And then a quick one on prospective project costs. I think you gave some guidance that you're looking to spend about $35,000,000 to $40,000,000 per year. I think the trailing 12 month was about $26,000,000 on prospective projects.

Speaker 6

So do you expect to kind of quickly like obviously you have a lot on your played right now. So is that $35,000,000 to $40,000,000 more like something you would look to spend next year And this Yes.

Speaker 4

I gave the number.

Speaker 3

Yes. The 35 to 40 is over the next it's per year, but increasing over the Obviously, we're beefing up the teams. As an example, the CAA deal with the French team allows us core. To beef up the team, still spend the same amount of money from our perspective, but obviously have more people on the ground to do more, to achieve more on the French market. We're building up also and you heard Michel, I mean, we're extremely busy in Canada.

Speaker 3

So we're like beefing up our teams on the ground For that in many provinces and in the United States as well. So the idea is this is the sum This prospective investment is some of our internal salary cost, I guess, G and A cost, but also external cost. So it comes also sometimes With for example, in the United States, you need to put deposits for interconnection or deposits for PPAs or so it accounts for that as well, right? Sometimes there are some that are important for some of our development assets. So it supports that the $35,000,000 to $40,000,000 is necessary.

Speaker 6

Okay. And then I'll just try to squeeze one last quick one. The ERP implementation, I think you started earlier this year. When will that be done?

Speaker 3

So we expect to turn the switch on, if I may say it that way, To we would close the Q3 in our present solution and close the year end in the new solution. So turning the switch on somewhere in October, That's we're phasing it in though. I mean, we have all the North American aspects and then we'll turn to France and Chile essentially like to I guess to implement the ERP in these two other markets In 2024. So most of the cost is spent this year and next. Yes.

Speaker 3

Okay.

Speaker 6

I'll leave it there. Thank you.

Speaker 3

Okay.

Operator

Your next question comes from Ben Fawn from BMO. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Hi, thanks Martin. Just want to start off with the funding. So you basically you plan now to raise $400,000,000 Half of it's pretty much done 800 Megawatts. But I'm assuming that there's going to be more megawatts that you're adding Palomino, maybe more projects that anything beyond 800 megawatts you need to source additional equity funding?

Speaker 2

For the time being, Ben, what we have and what we have as the advanced development and construction, We don't need equity. Of course, I mean, if we're very successful in the development of future project, We may have reconsidered what we will be doing in terms of funding. Welcoming partners in some of our facility Might also be considered. You heard me in the past being reluctant to recycle capital, But strategic recycling capital can be also seen as a way to fund future project. But definitely, I think that our strategy of being more aggressive in M and A, we've done what we had to do.

Speaker 2

And now we're concentrating in developing projects. And if there's a need for more equity because we have been So successful in securing project that I think will be a good problem to face. And like I said, I think that we can Also think about partnering or selling portion of project that would have been put in COD or in advanced development stage. We will be very careful though In dealing with project where we have First Nation and community partnership, we always said that We are committed to be partnered with them on a long term basis. So those type of project will not be Prime target to recycle capital.

Speaker 4

And are you proactively Charging that 2025 guidance still or

Speaker 2

Well, they said that

Speaker 4

M and A was a big chunk of that. Now you're slowing that down. Are you looking at the point?

Speaker 2

I agree with you, Ben. This We will be coming back to you somewhere late fall to give you a little bit more guidance on that aspect. But of course, if we're not making the M and A that we were supposed to do, that will have some consequences on the short term reach of that target of about $1 per share. But we'll get back to you late this Paul on a specific call for talking about what we are taking about longer

Speaker 7

forecast. Okay.

Speaker 8

All right. Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from Sean Steuart from TD Securities. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Thank you. Good morning. A couple of questions. Just following up on the sale of the minority stake in France.

Speaker 2

The implied multiple

Speaker 7

Is well above where you bought out Desjardins. And I know they weren't exposed to the development pipeline, but is there any additional context On the valuation where you were able to secure on the sell down and that difference between when you bought out Desjardins?

Speaker 2

I think that it's obvious that the French and European investor Are putting more value on the platform. Desjardins was not part of the platform. So I guess it's not fair to say that we doubled the price. It's not the same product. We sold a participation And the platform we sold the long term ability of the platform to develop project.

Speaker 2

I would say that it's difficult to be in the position of Cres Axtical to give you exactly What they priced in terms of portfolio versus the platform. But I think that the platform Was evaluated at least €35,000,000 to €40,000,000 So I think that this is a good proxy On what type of value that the French team has created in the last 5 years. And that's why I wouldn't say that we were frustrated because we cannot be frustrated with the valuation in the industry. But I think that the value of that The platform was a little bit hidden in the fact that it takes 5 to 6 years, like I said, to bring project from the greenfield side up to Be ready to put into COD or even to put into RFPs. So that was also part of the strategy is to welcome To put a light on our ability to create value in terms of greenfield initiative.

Speaker 7

Okay. Thank you for that. Second question, I don't know if it's possible to give any broad thoughts on second half Hydrology in BC. I know we entered the summer with no snowpack to speak of. Any broad context on how production for the region is shaping up?

Speaker 2

As you know, it's difficult to forecast the future. But You're right. At July August, I think that it's no secret, this is pretty dry. But it's not stream has what we have seen in the last quarter in the Q1. So in the quarter is still early.

Speaker 2

I mean we can recover In BC as you know it can be fast, if it starts raining earlier in September, we might catch up quite a bit on that quarter. What we have seen in Chile and I know that those are not necessarily related, but you Must have heard and I guess it's all over the news that El Nino phenomenon is going to be affecting the planet this year, especially the West Pacific. We are seeing a lot more rain In Chile this winter, I'm not a scientific person per se, but It seems that the pattern that we have seen in Chile being very dry has now stopped and we're seeing a normal if not wet winter in Chile. So I don't know if El Nino will have the same impact For early late summer or early fall for BC. Well, I must say that we are overdue to receive some rain in BC for sure.

Speaker 2

But it's not as extreme Than what we have experienced in the 4th and the first quarter. Not good, but not as And

Speaker 3

maybe if I may, it's really particular to BC, right? Because so far, by the month of July for Quebec, Ontario, the States, Chile, in terms of hydrology, we're actually doing very well. So but yes, BC is still dry, as Michel mentioned.

Speaker 2

But Working always on diversifying the portfolio is the key and I'm a little bit surprised that our portfolio has not produced Some better result, but I'm very confident that our strategy is the good one. We have technology diversification and location diversification that should equal in the future And we're striving to make sure that we are diversifying our activities in terms of development. We're focusing on diversifying locally and in terms of technology as well. So our strategy to answer potentially Climate effect is to be more diversified and be careful also and conservative in Establishing the long term forecast in our new project of course.

Speaker 7

Thank you very much.

Operator

Your next question comes from Mark Jarvi from CIBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Speaker 8

Yes, thanks. Good morning, everyone. Just coming back to the transaction in France announced earlier this week, Can you just clarify in terms of the capital or the proceeds from credit at your call, does that create like a reserve for funding of future growth or is that just for the operating assets and they'll Participate pro rata with Energex on any future, I guess, development dollars needed?

Speaker 3

Yes. So All the proceeds from the sale will be applied in reduction of our facility and they will on a pro rata basis co invest in the prospective development. Actually, We will increase we will keep our same implication, I guess, budget wise in terms of investment on perspective in France and they will Jump in for a 3rd or 30 percent. And any CapEx of future needs for the funding of our activities in France will be shared seventythirty. And they've committed additional capital throughout the deal to do that actually.

Speaker 3

So it's going to be over and above. So did that answer your question or? Just on

Speaker 8

that last point when you said over and above, can you clarify what that means?

Speaker 3

I mean over and above the proceeds we received. So we're receiving the proceeds And then whatever is required in France will be shared to an E-thirty. Got it.

Speaker 8

And then given more bullish outlook in Canada. Obviously, you identified a bunch of growth opportunities in the U. S. Market and said France could never be that big a component. Evaluation was quite attractive as we talked about on the call already.

Speaker 8

So was there a consideration just to sell outright your whole stake in France and just refocus in terms of All the opportunities in North America and Chile?

Speaker 2

No, I think that both Chile and France are definitely smaller market, But both are niche market in the sense that we think we can create value there and also it's part of the diversification as well, right. We like to be exposed to different location, different technology. I think the solution is to be widespread In terms of diversification going forward. So France is still a big part of our commitment to develop project. I think that this is providing to some degree a little bit more autonomy in France so that we will have Board of Director composing of the Director from Innergex and Credit Agricole.

Speaker 2

So we are going to operate France a little bit more as I wouldn't say an independent because we Francis is benefiting from the bigger team of Energex, But a little bit more autonomy in terms of their operation and development will be given to the French team. Same will eventually be done in that our team in North America will be more focused in developing in Canada and the States. While these two markets will become a little bit more independent in their ability to develop themselves.

Speaker 8

Okay. And I just wanted to come back to Slide 9 where you guys talked a bit about some target revenue mixes in terms of regions and percent contracted. Those have evolved since the last update last fall, a little less U. S, bit more merchant. I would have thought if you want more, I guess, U.

Speaker 8

S. Went down, maybe your merchant exposure will go down. Just what's changed in terms of those, I guess, target mixes, Both on the merchant and contracted and the geographic mix.

Speaker 2

I wouldn't take the merchant as being bigger. It's range rate And that can vary from quarter to quarter, obviously, depending on the price. We just want to be a little bit more Flexible and opportunistic in terms of merchant. I wouldn't read anything going into these number in saying that Energex He wants more exposure to merchant. We have the ability and we have in the past take advantage of signing long term PPA.

Speaker 2

I don't think that the merger will ever be much lower much higher than 10% ish. You're right that and I wouldn't say that U. S. Would represent A smaller portion is just that we think Canada right now is hot And the U. S.

Speaker 2

Is just that it can be lumpy too, right? Quarter from quarter, if we're lucky in U. S. And then you develop a 100 Megawatt, that makes a big step. So these are target very loose target.

Speaker 2

I think that they were meant also to say that Chile will Chilean will never be 30%, 40% of our portfolio. As Canada and U. S. Are growing and are a lot Faster in sense and greater opportunity, we'll take bigger chunk.

Speaker 8

Okay. All right. Thanks, Sean. Thanks, Michelle.

Speaker 3

Thanks. Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from Najeeb Bedou from IA Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Speaker 2

Hi, good morning. I just want to address the

Speaker 4

capital recycling topic again. I mean, a significant transaction in France. You're making good progress on your large growth projects, but yet doesn't seem to be a big market reaction to these positive news. I guess, How much of this do you attribute to maybe volatile results in the past couple of quarters? And do you think there's anything else that can or should be done going forward?

Speaker 2

I agree and looking at the market, this market is not positive, but that I cannot do much, Right. I mean, what we can do and is to provide to the market the guidance where we want to focus. I think that it's clear that we want to focus on providing more developing opportunity for Innergex Greenfield opportunity. We have the team on the ground. I think the market may wait until we are winning projects.

Speaker 2

I think that we have addressed the liquidity issue and funding issues. I'm not concerned at all on our need to go and issue stock in the near future. So hopefully that will answer Some of the concern of the investor. And also the other thing is that we have to deliver on our project on time and budget, we're working on this. And the 3rd bullet is to provide more result in winning RFP, working hard on it.

Speaker 2

And we have a lot of opportunity. We are creating a lot of as you've seen our development pipeline, both in early stage and advanced stages growing. And we intend to keep growing that portfolio of opportunity. That's what I can control And we're working on it.

Speaker 4

And just on the topic of growth, I mean, More focus in Canada. I'm just wondering if it's fair to say that there's a bit of a shift back to maybe what's

Speaker 9

going on in

Speaker 4

the core markets. How do you compare the Canada versus U. S. Risk and return between the different projects?

Speaker 2

Sometimes I guess that U. S. Is more is Proceed to be more competitive, but we've shown with Boswell that we can do good returns, right? We core. We're doing double digit, mid double digit return on Boswell.

Speaker 2

I think that we can provide good return in the U. S. I think that our team, we're not shy and I don't think we should be in terms of our ability to create value in the United States. But of course Canada is our own market. We Have grown in Canada.

Speaker 2

We're a Canadian company and like I said, we have developed this culture Of developing hand to hand, shoulder to shoulder with community. I think that the First Nation has Appreciate it and a good something that is interesting is to see the Mi'kmaq community after 5, 6 years in developing the project and operating MU1 has joined us to expand in MU2. So I think that this shows that we can develop partnership and long term good relationship with community. And I think this Is a competitive advantage that we have in Canada to develop project. Will Canada be more profitable than the U.

Speaker 2

S? Difficult to say, but I think that in both market, our intention is to create accretive investment. Like I said, we have and I'm proud to see that we have been able to create quite a bit of accretion with Boswell. And our strategy is to develop those project and like I said, our industry has been squeeze maybe in their margin in the last few years for all kinds of reasons. I think that hopefully the industry is smarting up And the opportunity that lays ahead of us is providing the opportunity to have better margin I think.

Speaker 2

We are certainly going to bid project where we're going to see some profitability.

Speaker 4

Just a final question for me on Chile. There's pretty large upcoming tenders Here with seems like favorable contract terms. I'm assuming you're going to participate in the auction this year and any comment on competition? I know in the past pricing it's been a bit difficult to chase, but thoughts on sort of the upcoming

Speaker 2

Well, I think that the Chilean market has been A place where some investor has been heard because they have been answering calls with only one asset. This is not the way to develop Chile. As I said in the past, we have Studied it, we have established our strategy. We have built out a portfolio, a diversified portfolio, Both in terms of technology and also in terms of location in Chile. Our intention is to Participate in future call, but always in the thinking of proposing profitable project for us and the idea will be to grow the portfolio in terms of diversification.

Speaker 2

We will not answer RFP with one single asset in Chile. So the idea is to grow Slowly the portfolio in order to keep that balance that we have developed. And in that strategy, we're comfortable. We would not try to answer big call with only one asset. This has It's proven to be the wrong strategy, the wrong approach for the Chilean market and that all of developer has been hurt in doing so.

Speaker 2

Maybe that's why sometimes investor are thinking that Chile is risky. I think Chile is a great market When you have the smart and balanced portfolio approach.

Operator

Quarter followed by the 1. Your next question income from Justin Strong from Scotiabank. Please go ahead.

Speaker 9

Hey, thanks for taking my call guys. Just a quick question on the financing of the Canadian hydro assets. Apologies If I missed this, but I'm just wondering what you're thinking that may free up in terms of capital and what assets are those BC Hydro assets?

Speaker 3

Yes. So there's 2 groups. So we're going from With the first financing that will group 3 assets that are in BC and in Quebec actually. So that's going to be a 20 year financing and we expect to raise €170,000,000 And the next Phase is 3 hydro assets in Quebec that should raise approximately €80,000,000 So in total, the €250,000,000 is the target for the refinancing. And as I mentioned earlier, that coupled with The French sell down to CAA, like it's going to help us surpass the $400,000,000 target that we had talked about last quarter.

Speaker 9

Great, thanks. And do you think you'll be putting those back in the market? Are you looking for PPA counterparties?

Speaker 3

They've been actually resigning PPA. So that hence They are starting a new phase, I guess, because we've re signed PPAs on these assets, which helped us to actually secure this financing for the next 20 years. So because of these we contracted assets. Great. Thanks.

Speaker 3

You're welcome.

Operator

Mrs. Vachon, there are no further questions at this time.

Speaker 1

Thank you very much, everyone. We'll talk to you again in November. Thank you.

Speaker 4

Thank you, everyone.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, you may now disconnect your lines.

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