NASDAQ:PET Wag! Group Q2 2023 Earnings Report $0.15 -0.01 (-3.48%) Closing price 05/7/2025 04:00 PM EasternExtended Trading$0.15 +0.00 (+0.20%) As of 07:18 AM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings HistoryForecast Wag! Group EPS ResultsActual EPS-$0.09Consensus EPS -$0.07Beat/MissMissed by -$0.02One Year Ago EPSN/AWag! Group Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$19.82 millionExpected Revenue$19.45 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$370.00 thousandYoY Revenue GrowthN/AWag! Group Announcement DetailsQuarterQ2 2023Date8/8/2023TimeN/AConference Call DateTuesday, August 8, 2023Conference Call Time4:30PM ETUpcoming EarningsWag! Group's Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Monday, May 12, 2025, with a conference call scheduled at 8:30 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Wag! Group Q2 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrAugust 8, 2023 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 11 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Day and thank Speaker 100:00:00you for standing by. Welcome to the WAG 2Q 'twenty three Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session. Please be advised today's conference is being recorded. Speaker 100:00:21I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Dawn Frankfort. Please go ahead. Speaker 200:00:28Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining WAGS conference call to discuss our Q2 2023 Financial Results. On the call today are Garrett Smallwood, Chief Executive Officer and Chairman Adam Storm, President and Chief Product Officer and Alex Bovidio, Chief Financial Officer. Before we get started, Please note that today's comments include forward looking statements. These forward looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties and involve factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied by such statements. A discussion of these risks and uncertainties are included in the SEC filings. Speaker 200:01:12Also during the call, we may present both GAAP and non GAAP financial measures. Reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures are available in our earnings release, which we issued today. The earnings release is available on the Investor Relations page of our website and is included in Exhibit and Form 8 ks furnished to the SEC. Lastly, you can find our earnings presentation posted on our IR website and with the SEC. And with that, let me turn the call over to Garrett. Speaker 300:01:46Good afternoon, and thank you for joining us today to discuss our financial performance for the Q2 of 2023. We are excited to announce another successful quarter for the Wag team, beating expectations for both revenue and adjusted EBITDA, while achieving our highest service revenue quarter to date and our Q1 of adjusted EBITDA profitability. This quarter further demonstrates that we are transforming the pet industry by becoming an all inclusive trusted partner for the premium pet parent and capitalizing on the secular growth of pet ownership. We remain laser focused on profitability for the remainder of 2023 and balancing growth and profit for 2024. To begin, I will provide a brief overview of our financial results for the Q2. Speaker 300:02:39Following that, Adam, our President and Chief Product Officer, will share updates on our strategic plans and key initiatives for the remainder of 2023 and beyond. Then Alec, our Chief Financial Officer, will provide a more detailed analysis of our 2nd quarter results, discuss our capital allocation priorities and present a revised adjusted EBITDA guidance for 2023, which we are increasing today. During the quarter, revenue grew 55% year over year to 19,800,000 The revenue growth was primarily driven by the success of our services business, fueled by the slow and steady return to office and the general stickiness of our community. We also saw continued strength in our wellness business, driven in part by the success of paw protect, the only pet insurance product in the U. S. Speaker 300:03:32With Instant Pay. We continue to grow our footprint in all corners of the pet care market with a focus on disciplined growth in order to achieve profitability. Our adjusted EBITDA was 1000000, an increase from a $900,000 loss in the same period last year. As we navigate the dynamic macroeconomic landscape, Our primary objective remains centered around achieving a sustainable equilibrium between growth, profit and margin. In the Q2, platform participants increased to 549,000, an increase of 42% year over year NWAC premium penetration increased to 54%, significantly ahead of expectations. Speaker 300:04:23In the Q2, our LTV to CAC ratio was a deliberate 10:one, which demonstrates our continued operational excellence and efficiency. Our 2nd quarter organic user acquisition rate was more than 70%, which is a result of our focus on dynamic partnerships, a best in class experience in our referral program. On the supply side of the WAG business, we maintain supply and demand equilibrium through a variable platform fee, which averaged $53.10 in the Q2 of 'twenty 3. As we've mentioned before, we firmly believe that WAG offers the best gig in America. And despite the current macroeconomic conditions, The demand for caregivers in our community remains robust. Speaker 300:05:08We anticipate that an increasing number of pet enthusiasts We'll choose to become pet caregivers with WAG for the remainder of 2023 beyond. In summary, the team at WAG continues to execute against our goals and deliver strong and sustainable results. Our second quarter results demonstrate our ability to scale our platform faster and more profitably than anticipated and show the effectiveness of our strategy and business model to become the number one platform for premium pet parents. Simply put, our team is out executing on the vision we laid out to the investment community more than a year ago as we were preparing to become a public company. And with that, I will turn the call over to Adam Storm to review our strategy for the remainder of 2023. Speaker 300:05:55Thanks, Garrett. I will once again walk through the 5 top level elements of our strategy to drive long term shareholder value and profitable growth. 1, accelerate growth in existing markets 2, expand premium subscription offerings 3, platform expansion 4, opportunistic M and A and 5, operating scale. 1, accelerate growth in existing markets. As Garrett mentioned, the 2nd quarter was our highest services revenue quarter to date, driven by the slow and steady return to office trend and healthy consumer travel season. Speaker 300:06:33The Castle Back to Work barometer is hovering just below 50%, and we expect that to tick upward slowly over the next 24 months. 2, expand premium subscription offerings. Our premium penetration rate, despite the increased pricing at $14.99 a month, remained at a robust 54%, ahead of the target we set out at the beginning of the year. Moving forward, we will continue to enhance the value of the WAG premium bundle by introducing more benefits, forming additional partnerships and providing more exclusive offers. 3, platform expansion. Speaker 300:07:12Last quarter, we introduced the addition of pawprotect.com to our suite of wellness products. WAG is the exclusive marketing partner of paw protect, The only pet insurance plan was Instant Pay. Paw protect is the only brand in America to offer each consumer an interest free, Fee free and credit check free line of credit to cover veterinary bills. We have successfully integrated Pop Protect into the pet insurance marketplace, demonstrated by its impressive growth in the Q2. During the quarter, Poplar Tech's policies grew to 7,700 and achieved an NPS score of 90 plus, demonstrating our pet parents overall delight with the product. Speaker 300:07:57During the quarter, we also launched WagPro to help pet lovers build successful pet care businesses on Wag. WagPro caters to the needs of passionate pet care professionals recognizing their invaluable contribution to the welfare and happiness of pets across the nation. WagPro members enjoy features including express onboarding, priority approval and placement in the marketplace, Expanded reach, enhanced earning opportunities and exclusive learning resources. As the demand for reliable and trust Before the pet care continues to grow, WagPro steps forward as the ultimate solution for connecting skilled caregivers with pet parents in need. The successful rollout of WagPro demonstrates our commitment to offering the highest quality platform for pet caregivers and pet parents alike. Speaker 300:08:49We believe WAG Pro is a unique and evolving offering that will enhance our platform and deliver long term value to the community. 4th, opportunistic M and A. WAG is strategically positioned to leverage pet specific M and A opportunities due to our ability to swiftly integrate new assets into our platform, supported by our deep understanding of the consumer and are technology first DNA. At the beginning of the quarter, we acquired Maxbone, a top tier digital platform for modern pet essentials. MaxxBone expands WAG's reach into the premium pet supplies market and deepens our commitment to the needs of the premium pet parent. Speaker 300:09:32WAG will continue to opportunistically evaluate deals as we look to expand our set of capabilities in 2023 2024. And while we're here, you should check out the new yellow collection on macphone.com. 5th, operating scale. This quarter, we saw operating margin improvements across all areas due to the positive impact of our unit economics and fixed cost operating leverage. Adjusted EBITDA margin improved substantially year over year from minus 7% to just under positive 1%, 8 percentage point improvement. Speaker 300:10:10As we mentioned last quarter, 2023 continues to be our year of efficiency and focused on full year adjusted EBITDA profitability. This is achieved through efficient marketing payback cycle, continued operational excellence, Platform integrations and cross sell and best in class customer experience. As seen in our updated guidance, We will be adjusted EBITDA profitable for full year 2023 and plan to be free cash flow positive by the middle of 2024. I will now turn the call over to Alec to discuss our Q2 financials in more detail. Speaker 400:10:47Thanks, Adam. I am proud to say through the hard work and dedication of our excellent team, the growth of our footprint in all corners of the pet care market And our disciplined execution, we have taken the next step forward as a business with a progression to profitability, posting our Q1 of adjusted EBITDA profit I'll begin with a review of our Q2 financial results, followed by our guidance, which we are raising again today. The 2nd quarter exceeded our expectations across the board with revenue of $19,800,000 up 55% from last year, driven by strength across all three revenue categories. Adjusted EBITDA profit of $100,000 compares to an adjusted EBITDA loss of 900 1,000,000 a year ago, a $1,000,000 improvement. Breaking down our 3 revenue categories. Speaker 400:11:43Service revenue was $6,200,000 growing 9% from Q2 last year, making this our largest service revenue quarter to date. This is in the face of a continued slow and steady return to office trend and illustrates the general stickiness of our offerings. Together with the success of complementary offerings to core services such as WAG Pro and WAG Premium. Services also included normal amounts of e commerce revenue for Max Loan, which we closed at the start of the quarter and credit package revenue. Wellness revenue was $12,000,000 including 69% from Q2 last year through providing best in class pet insurance and wellness plan comparisons from the nation's top providers. Speaker 400:12:26Our product's ability to provide pet parents with numerous real time quotes puts us at the 4 parts of disrupting a fragmented pet insurance and wellness industry. Pet Food and Treats revenue, which is a new revenue category this year via Dog Food Advisor was $1,600,000 Dog Food Advisor is one of the most trusted pet food review sites in existence, providing pet parents with unrivaled insights and analysis of pet foods for their furry family members. In Q2, Due to popular demand, we took the knowledge and success of Dog Food Advisor and launched Cat Food Advisor, the premier destination for pet parents and their furry cat family members. With over 100 professionally reviewed pet products, including dry cat food, Raw cat food, kitten food and real time recall alerts across the U. S. Speaker 400:13:16And Canada. Turning to expenses. Cost of revenue, excluding depreciation and amortization, was flat year over year at 1,200,000 and represent 6% of revenue, down from 9% a year ago. This is the output of a very thoughtful operational excellence in the scalability of our tech stack, together with the implementation of AI to streamline our revenue generating operations. Platform operations and support expense was $3,500,000 or 18 percent of revenue, down from 24% a year ago. Speaker 400:13:53While non revenue generating platform operations and support functions remain a key backbone to the business, our operations have become highly efficient over the past year We redesigned and use AI tools to get answers faster. Now, the average pet parent receives more than 80% of their responses faster via Sales and marketing expenses 10,800,000 or 54 percent of revenue up from 48% a year ago, but in line with prior quarter trends. We continue to see Excellent opportunities to put dollars to work in sales and marketing as evidenced by our 10:one LTV to CAC, but are maintaining a deliberate and thoughtful approach in order to drive profitability earlier than anticipated. G and A expense was $4,900,000 or 25 percent of revenue, up from 19% a year ago. Comparing periods, Q2 'twenty three includes a one time legal settlement cost of 500,000 and over $1,000,000 of public company compliance costs that were not present in the prior year. Speaker 400:15:01Adjusting for these, G and A in Q2 'twenty three represents 16% on revenue. Looking to our balance sheet, we ended the 2nd quarter with approximately $32,000,000 in cash, Our balance sheet remains strong and sufficient to help us to continue to execute on our plan, which includes growing our existing business in a profitable manner, expanding our footprint in all corners of the pet care market through value add acquisition and bringing to market innovative new offerings. Moving to our guidance for 2023. As Garrett mentioned, we are thrilled with another quarter of outsized growth. As a result, we have reevaluated our 2023 full year forecast. Speaker 400:15:48For the full year For the full year 'twenty three, we continue to reiterate total revenue in the range of $80,000,000 to $84,000,000 as previously disclosed in March 23, and an increase to our adjusted EBITDA guidance to a range of $0 to $2,000,000 A $1,000,000 improvement versus our prior forecast at the high end of the range. For the Q3, we expect total revenue in the range of $19,000,000 to $20,000,000 which at the midpoint would be 27% increase in revenue over Q3 'twenty two and $0 to $1,000,000 in adjusted EBITDA or a 208% improvement over Q3 'twenty two adjusted EBITDA at the midpoint. We continue to be thoughtful and We believe we have turned the corner in Q2 'twenty three and will be adjusted EBITDA positive in subsequent quarters and on an annual basis. Further, as Adam mentioned, we plan to be free cash flow positive by the middle of 24, driven by our focus on robust unit economics and operational efficiency in 2023 and beyond. Our financial guidance includes the following consideration. Speaker 400:17:11The forecast incorporates our internal target of the rule of 50, meaning a total of greater than 50% for revenue growth plus adjusted EBITDA margin for the full year. Severe weather affects service demand and holidays drive incremental overnight versus daytime service demand. Going forward, we expect to skew to overnight and daytime services depending on summer and holidays. Pet adoption during the holidays also affects pet insurance penetration and demand for wellness plans. We anticipate the continued growth in the pet industry, driven by factors such as rising pet ownership, pet insurance penetration And increasing demand for premium pet products and services will have a positive impact on our financial performance in 2023, including on our entrance to Pet Food and Treat. Speaker 400:18:03General trends related to the state of the economy, interest rates and consumer confidence. We have factored in potential risks and opportunities related to these macroeconomic factors in order to accurately forecast our financial performance. We recognize that there may be potential risk to our financial performance in 2023, such as disruptions to global supply chain, changes in consumer behavior due to unexpected events, such as delayed or imbalanced return to office, digital and performance marketing trends, the potential impact of AI and our ability to expand through partnerships. In summary, our strong quarter results illustrate how we have become an all inclusive trusted partner for the premium pet parent and a key player in the pet community with a highly efficient and profitable business. Our intense focus on profitability and operational efficiencies in 'twenty three position us well for profitable growth for the rest of the year and in 'twenty four and beyond. Speaker 400:19:02And with that, we now welcome Q and A. Operator, can you kindly open it up for Q and A? Speaker 300:19:09Thank Speaker 100:19:28Our first question comes from Jason Helfstein with Oppenheimer. Your line is open. Speaker 500:19:33Thanks. Two questions. 1, so 10:one LTV CAC is kind of insane. It's suggesting that you're leaving growth on the table to kind of protect capital given that you're crossing over that EBITDA threshold. How are you thinking about leaning more into marketing at some point in the future? Speaker 500:19:53And then secondly, Are you seeing any head like how does the inflation headwinds on the pet insurance side impact you? Is it a positive because As premiums go up, you get kind of a cut of that on the lead. Just broad thoughts on how kind of some of the dynamics around pet insurance Could impact you guys? Thanks. Speaker 600:20:15Hey, Jason. This is Garrett. Thanks for the question. So first one, we agreed 10:1 LTV to CAC It's pretty amazing. And like we mentioned, deliberate. Speaker 600:20:26It's not a cash issue. It's more we just believe as we get more profitable, we'll deploy more capital in the growth. We think that's functionally going to be a 2024 story. We grew 55% year over year, so just saving some gas, so to speak. Secondly, in terms of headwinds or tailwinds in terms of pet insurance and wellness plans, we have not seen a direct impact of inflation. Speaker 600:20:48Although I would say, we have 2 consumers in the marketplace. The first is the pet insurance companies themselves, we partner with to Advertise their products. And the second one is the actual consumers purchasing the insurance. I think anything we've seen more of a Sensitivity from the actual pet insurance companies rather than the consumer as a function of kind of the market dynamics. Speaker 500:21:11Thank you. Speaker 100:21:13One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Tom White with D. A. Davidson. Your line is open. Operator00:21:26Hey, this is Wyatt Swanson on for Tom. Thanks for taking our questions. So I've got a question on your wellness segment. Can you talk a bit about how you're managing any risks in that business as it relates to revenue concentration? And what can you guys do to maybe diversify revenue streams Speaker 600:21:43in that segment over time. Speaker 500:21:44This is Wyatt, right Wyatt? Operator00:21:47Yes, Wyatt. Speaker 600:21:48Good to hear from you and thanks for the question. So Wellness, just as a reminder, scaled much more quickly than we originally anticipated. That business went from a few million to tens of 1,000,000 in revenue Run rate very, very quickly. We just kind of saw the fast moving water and leaned in quickly. We have a lot of customers in that business. Speaker 600:22:07So like I said earlier, we have kind of Two customers on the face of it. 1 is the actual consumers purchasing pet insurance for the first time or re upping or changing plans. The second one is the actual pet insurance companies. We work with something like 12 or more kind of major pet insurance companies in the U. S. Speaker 600:22:27And we just announced Earlier today, we're actually expanding into Canada with that product base. So pretty well diversified in terms of the actual insurance companies. But really our goal is just to make sure customers have the best choice for the pet insurance products and that's really what's functionally going to drive the demand curve. So certainly, we're being thoughtful about the demand itself, the words concentrated to, but the customers ultimately have the choice and they're just kind of picking the products that they want. Second thing I would just add there is we are the exclusive marketing partner of paw protect, which we think is phenomenal pet insurance product. Speaker 600:23:00And hopefully more and more consumers will find delight to them. So a lot of choice for the consumer and ultimately they're going to find the right thing for them. Hopefully, I answered your question. Operator00:23:09Yes, that's really helpful. Thank you. And then just a follow-up, could you update us on your latest thinking as it relates to The customer value proposition with WAG Premium as return to office continues to pick up, how are you thinking about the current unit economics with that offering versus trying to maximize customer adoption of it. Speaker 600:23:30Yes. So I think we've said this before. The goal with WAG Premium is to Keep customers engaged in the platform, not so much a revenue driving initiative. We found that certainly was mispriced at the beginning of this year, which is why you raised prices to $14.99 The penetration Our thesis and kind of belief in the product has not changed. We continue to believe there is a reason for consumers to Stay on the platform as participants of the WAG ecosystem. Speaker 600:23:57And we're so convinced of that, we actually are rolling out similarly Priced Pro tooling, so we mentioned earlier that Pet Caregiver Pro subscription and membership is something we're in the middle of testing and rolling out. So Again, we just we need more reasons and believe there's more reasons to be a forever customer of the WAG Ecosystem than anything else. Operator00:24:17Got it. Thank you very much. Speaker 100:24:20One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Matt Koranda with ROTH MKM. Your line is open. Speaker 700:24:33Hey, guys. Good afternoon. Just wondering on the international expansion for pet insurance. Have And maybe just talk about sort of the size of the addressable market that you're entering internationally? Speaker 600:24:55Hey, Matt. Good to hear from you. Garrett again. Yes. So we think international is mostly upside. Speaker 600:25:02Canada Pet Insurance, I think something like 500,000 pets growing kind of at 7% to 10% -ish outpacing general pet trends. We think there's a lot of room to run there. Still early for us. We're just kind of getting our footing, but we certainly think international is interesting. And I generally think the things you'll see us launching now, so we just announced Cat Food Advisor, we just announced Wellness Canada Are all kind of 2024 big bets, the things that we think are going to test now and lean into now and that'd be really driving forward in 2024. Speaker 600:25:30The business is growing at 55% year on year right now. Again, I think we're saving some gas in the tank, so to speak. Speaker 700:25:38Okay, got it. And then maybe for Alec, just on the Adjusted EBITDA guidance up a touch and it's very minor, but just are we just pulling through the 2nd quarter outperformance? Is there something incremental that we should be assuming in terms of cost savings or margin expansion that we should be factoring in for the 3rd Q4? Speaker 400:26:02No, I don't think so. I think Q2 is a representation of where we are today, as the output of Number of things that I mentioned on the efficiencies that we've been able to achieve Q2 to date, and I think we'll see those efficiencies with AI and automation Speaker 700:26:23Okay. Got it. And maybe just one more on the platform participant number. Healthy growth year over year, but I did notice sequentially it's down a bit. Any call outs just in terms of what's driving that number in the Q2. Speaker 700:26:38And then any I guess I did notice also that marketing sales and marketing was down a bit sequentially. Did we pull back During the quarter for any notable reason, maybe just speak to that and the platform participant number? Thanks. Speaker 600:26:53Yes. So we initially planned for Q1 and Q4 to kind of be the higher watermarks just as a function Wellness seasonality, Matt. As a reminder, last quarter, we did something like $20,600,000 of revenue. This quarter was $19,800,000 So you'll see just kind of sensitivity there with platform participants. It will just functionally match that. Speaker 600:27:12Your second question was sales and marketing was down. Yes, I think we're just being really thoughtful about where we're deploying dollars right now as just a function of And again, that was deliberate. You see it in LTV to CAC. I really want to just get to profitability, adjusted EBITDA profitability. It's not where there I think there's Room to keep plugging along. Speaker 600:27:30But for us, the major watermark was, can we get to adjusted EBITDA profitability a year ahead of time? And we did. So I think AOC has kind of get back to where we want to go. Speaker 700:27:40Great. Nice having the quarter and I'll take the rest of mine offline. Thanks guys. Speaker 100:27:45Thanks, Dan. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Jay Cole with Craig Hallum. Your line is open. Speaker 800:27:57Thanks, guys. This is Jack on for Jeremy. First one for me. So Could you just touch on what you're seeing in terms of return to office? I know Castle back to work barometer has been around Like 45% to 50%. Speaker 800:28:11Do you guys still think that can get to like 70% long term or What do you guys think the long term potential is there and how you think of that as a driver of revenue? Speaker 900:28:27Yes. Thanks for the question. Over the long term, yes, we certainly think it can get back to 70%. I think We see headlines all the time about this business getting back to office, that business getting back to office. But that's all anecdotal, Right. Speaker 900:28:42The Castleback to Gorakh barometer is kind of the thing that we're focusing most on and measuring against. So Speaker 300:28:53we're going to kind of Speaker 900:28:54invest in whatever the fastest moving water is. You've seen wellness Kind of be that over the last, 12, 18, maybe 24 months. So as in 2024, which is really kind of a resumption of the growth story. You'll see us investing behind whatever has the highest returns. So If the Castleback to Work barometer is still at the 50% level, I think that will scale our investments appropriately across the different kind of business lines. Speaker 900:29:25If we see more momentum in kind of the return to office in January and that's the timeline that the business is on, then certainly we're going Put firepower behind the services segment. Speaker 800:29:38Got it. Great. That's really helpful. And then maybe switching gears in terms of the premium price point. Are you seeing any pushback from Customers on the $14.99 I noticed the premium penetration went down from 55% to 54. Speaker 800:29:56Just kind of maybe a little bit more color on that. And do you think that you'll stay around that 14.99 For a little bit here, presumably it will continue to rise long term, but just any color on the premium pricing would be great. Speaker 900:30:12Yes. So I would say the 54% was still above kind of our internal targeting. I think that we're happy anywhere in the kind of 40% to 50% range is kind of our kind of guidepost. So 54% is well ahead of internal expectations. In terms of pricing, no, like no real pressure. Speaker 900:30:33The kind of mix of services in the summer can be More travel based as opposed to in office based, but it's going to be more of a sitting and boarding as opposed to walking. So there's kind of some dynamics there. But All around, I think we're really happy with the price and customers seem really happy with the value they're getting. Speaker 800:30:52Got it. That's helpful color. That's all for me. Thanks, guys. Speaker 100:30:56One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Greg Pendy with Chardan. Your line is open. Speaker 1000:31:07Hey, thanks a lot for taking my questions. Just one real quick, just as you called out seasonality in your financial outlook, can you just give us any Color on any meaningful differences? I know we could back into the revenues, but just in terms of expenses on overnight versus daytime services. And then secondarily on that point, is there any opportunity you think to grow overnight with sort of a growing premium penetration? Right. Speaker 1000:31:34Thanks. Speaker 900:31:36Yes. So as it pertains to seasonality, The sitting and boarding business, which is effectively a travel business, is going to be Q4 heavy, as you might expect. Yes. So if the walking business is a derivative of office occupancy and the sitting and boarding are a derivative of Travel, certainly, we're going to be investing behind the kind of travel adjacent businesses, right? So we think there's a lot we can do in terms of ecosystem and caregiver tools to help them promote themselves and build their business. Speaker 900:32:14So yes, we think that it's a big market and there's lots of opportunity Speaker 300:32:21to grow. Speaker 700:32:25Okay. Speaker 600:32:25And do you have can you give Speaker 1000:32:27us any kind of rough estimates on where you think you are in penetration in boarding versus the market size, just so we get an idea of how big or what type of opportunity that could be? Speaker 600:32:41Yes. Hey, Greg. You have Garrett. So again, taking a step back, WAG started with on demand dog walking in the U. S. Speaker 600:32:48In a few cities, And very quickly, people end up falling in love with it, using it 4 to 5 times a month. And we're really now just realizing that customers want us for everything else, which a lot of the last few years you've seen Launch things like 20, 30 and 60 minute drop ins, 1 on 1 training, personalized pet advice with a vet expert, Specialty services in the last quarter or 2, which is things like trail running and photos with your dog and all kinds of really cute requests. And I think if you look at the new app and kind of how we're designing things, you'll see us put the caregiver more front and center, which is really a function of just giving people choice. We think leads us to more kind of sitting and boarding requests and other kind of episodic requests. Now that we have the customer locked in with premium. Speaker 600:33:27We're really early. As a reminder, our business is majority kind of on demand or daytime services. And so we're really, I think, if anything, kind of less than 5% penetrated in the travel category, and there's a long way to run there. So very excited about the opportunity and you'll see kind of consistent changes in the product experience, which we think will make us more competitive for the customer. Speaker 1000:33:49That's very helpful. Thanks a lot. Speaker 100:33:52This concludes today's Q and A session. I'd now like to turn the call back over to Garrett Smallwood for any closing remarks. Speaker 600:33:58Thanks everyone for another quarter. This is almost our 1 year anniversary. So it's been fun and we look forward to the next one. Thanks so much. Speaker 100:34:06Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's presentation. You may now disconnect and have a wonderfulRead morePowered by Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallWag! Group Q2 202300:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2x Earnings DocumentsSlide DeckPress Release(8-K)Quarterly report(10-Q) Wag! Group Earnings HeadlinesWag! Group Co. (NASDAQ:PET) Q4 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptMarch 25, 2025 | msn.comWag! 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There are 11 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Day and thank Speaker 100:00:00you for standing by. Welcome to the WAG 2Q 'twenty three Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session. Please be advised today's conference is being recorded. Speaker 100:00:21I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Dawn Frankfort. Please go ahead. Speaker 200:00:28Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining WAGS conference call to discuss our Q2 2023 Financial Results. On the call today are Garrett Smallwood, Chief Executive Officer and Chairman Adam Storm, President and Chief Product Officer and Alex Bovidio, Chief Financial Officer. Before we get started, Please note that today's comments include forward looking statements. These forward looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties and involve factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied by such statements. A discussion of these risks and uncertainties are included in the SEC filings. Speaker 200:01:12Also during the call, we may present both GAAP and non GAAP financial measures. Reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures are available in our earnings release, which we issued today. The earnings release is available on the Investor Relations page of our website and is included in Exhibit and Form 8 ks furnished to the SEC. Lastly, you can find our earnings presentation posted on our IR website and with the SEC. And with that, let me turn the call over to Garrett. Speaker 300:01:46Good afternoon, and thank you for joining us today to discuss our financial performance for the Q2 of 2023. We are excited to announce another successful quarter for the Wag team, beating expectations for both revenue and adjusted EBITDA, while achieving our highest service revenue quarter to date and our Q1 of adjusted EBITDA profitability. This quarter further demonstrates that we are transforming the pet industry by becoming an all inclusive trusted partner for the premium pet parent and capitalizing on the secular growth of pet ownership. We remain laser focused on profitability for the remainder of 2023 and balancing growth and profit for 2024. To begin, I will provide a brief overview of our financial results for the Q2. Speaker 300:02:39Following that, Adam, our President and Chief Product Officer, will share updates on our strategic plans and key initiatives for the remainder of 2023 and beyond. Then Alec, our Chief Financial Officer, will provide a more detailed analysis of our 2nd quarter results, discuss our capital allocation priorities and present a revised adjusted EBITDA guidance for 2023, which we are increasing today. During the quarter, revenue grew 55% year over year to 19,800,000 The revenue growth was primarily driven by the success of our services business, fueled by the slow and steady return to office and the general stickiness of our community. We also saw continued strength in our wellness business, driven in part by the success of paw protect, the only pet insurance product in the U. S. Speaker 300:03:32With Instant Pay. We continue to grow our footprint in all corners of the pet care market with a focus on disciplined growth in order to achieve profitability. Our adjusted EBITDA was 1000000, an increase from a $900,000 loss in the same period last year. As we navigate the dynamic macroeconomic landscape, Our primary objective remains centered around achieving a sustainable equilibrium between growth, profit and margin. In the Q2, platform participants increased to 549,000, an increase of 42% year over year NWAC premium penetration increased to 54%, significantly ahead of expectations. Speaker 300:04:23In the Q2, our LTV to CAC ratio was a deliberate 10:one, which demonstrates our continued operational excellence and efficiency. Our 2nd quarter organic user acquisition rate was more than 70%, which is a result of our focus on dynamic partnerships, a best in class experience in our referral program. On the supply side of the WAG business, we maintain supply and demand equilibrium through a variable platform fee, which averaged $53.10 in the Q2 of 'twenty 3. As we've mentioned before, we firmly believe that WAG offers the best gig in America. And despite the current macroeconomic conditions, The demand for caregivers in our community remains robust. Speaker 300:05:08We anticipate that an increasing number of pet enthusiasts We'll choose to become pet caregivers with WAG for the remainder of 2023 beyond. In summary, the team at WAG continues to execute against our goals and deliver strong and sustainable results. Our second quarter results demonstrate our ability to scale our platform faster and more profitably than anticipated and show the effectiveness of our strategy and business model to become the number one platform for premium pet parents. Simply put, our team is out executing on the vision we laid out to the investment community more than a year ago as we were preparing to become a public company. And with that, I will turn the call over to Adam Storm to review our strategy for the remainder of 2023. Speaker 300:05:55Thanks, Garrett. I will once again walk through the 5 top level elements of our strategy to drive long term shareholder value and profitable growth. 1, accelerate growth in existing markets 2, expand premium subscription offerings 3, platform expansion 4, opportunistic M and A and 5, operating scale. 1, accelerate growth in existing markets. As Garrett mentioned, the 2nd quarter was our highest services revenue quarter to date, driven by the slow and steady return to office trend and healthy consumer travel season. Speaker 300:06:33The Castle Back to Work barometer is hovering just below 50%, and we expect that to tick upward slowly over the next 24 months. 2, expand premium subscription offerings. Our premium penetration rate, despite the increased pricing at $14.99 a month, remained at a robust 54%, ahead of the target we set out at the beginning of the year. Moving forward, we will continue to enhance the value of the WAG premium bundle by introducing more benefits, forming additional partnerships and providing more exclusive offers. 3, platform expansion. Speaker 300:07:12Last quarter, we introduced the addition of pawprotect.com to our suite of wellness products. WAG is the exclusive marketing partner of paw protect, The only pet insurance plan was Instant Pay. Paw protect is the only brand in America to offer each consumer an interest free, Fee free and credit check free line of credit to cover veterinary bills. We have successfully integrated Pop Protect into the pet insurance marketplace, demonstrated by its impressive growth in the Q2. During the quarter, Poplar Tech's policies grew to 7,700 and achieved an NPS score of 90 plus, demonstrating our pet parents overall delight with the product. Speaker 300:07:57During the quarter, we also launched WagPro to help pet lovers build successful pet care businesses on Wag. WagPro caters to the needs of passionate pet care professionals recognizing their invaluable contribution to the welfare and happiness of pets across the nation. WagPro members enjoy features including express onboarding, priority approval and placement in the marketplace, Expanded reach, enhanced earning opportunities and exclusive learning resources. As the demand for reliable and trust Before the pet care continues to grow, WagPro steps forward as the ultimate solution for connecting skilled caregivers with pet parents in need. The successful rollout of WagPro demonstrates our commitment to offering the highest quality platform for pet caregivers and pet parents alike. Speaker 300:08:49We believe WAG Pro is a unique and evolving offering that will enhance our platform and deliver long term value to the community. 4th, opportunistic M and A. WAG is strategically positioned to leverage pet specific M and A opportunities due to our ability to swiftly integrate new assets into our platform, supported by our deep understanding of the consumer and are technology first DNA. At the beginning of the quarter, we acquired Maxbone, a top tier digital platform for modern pet essentials. MaxxBone expands WAG's reach into the premium pet supplies market and deepens our commitment to the needs of the premium pet parent. Speaker 300:09:32WAG will continue to opportunistically evaluate deals as we look to expand our set of capabilities in 2023 2024. And while we're here, you should check out the new yellow collection on macphone.com. 5th, operating scale. This quarter, we saw operating margin improvements across all areas due to the positive impact of our unit economics and fixed cost operating leverage. Adjusted EBITDA margin improved substantially year over year from minus 7% to just under positive 1%, 8 percentage point improvement. Speaker 300:10:10As we mentioned last quarter, 2023 continues to be our year of efficiency and focused on full year adjusted EBITDA profitability. This is achieved through efficient marketing payback cycle, continued operational excellence, Platform integrations and cross sell and best in class customer experience. As seen in our updated guidance, We will be adjusted EBITDA profitable for full year 2023 and plan to be free cash flow positive by the middle of 2024. I will now turn the call over to Alec to discuss our Q2 financials in more detail. Speaker 400:10:47Thanks, Adam. I am proud to say through the hard work and dedication of our excellent team, the growth of our footprint in all corners of the pet care market And our disciplined execution, we have taken the next step forward as a business with a progression to profitability, posting our Q1 of adjusted EBITDA profit I'll begin with a review of our Q2 financial results, followed by our guidance, which we are raising again today. The 2nd quarter exceeded our expectations across the board with revenue of $19,800,000 up 55% from last year, driven by strength across all three revenue categories. Adjusted EBITDA profit of $100,000 compares to an adjusted EBITDA loss of 900 1,000,000 a year ago, a $1,000,000 improvement. Breaking down our 3 revenue categories. Speaker 400:11:43Service revenue was $6,200,000 growing 9% from Q2 last year, making this our largest service revenue quarter to date. This is in the face of a continued slow and steady return to office trend and illustrates the general stickiness of our offerings. Together with the success of complementary offerings to core services such as WAG Pro and WAG Premium. Services also included normal amounts of e commerce revenue for Max Loan, which we closed at the start of the quarter and credit package revenue. Wellness revenue was $12,000,000 including 69% from Q2 last year through providing best in class pet insurance and wellness plan comparisons from the nation's top providers. Speaker 400:12:26Our product's ability to provide pet parents with numerous real time quotes puts us at the 4 parts of disrupting a fragmented pet insurance and wellness industry. Pet Food and Treats revenue, which is a new revenue category this year via Dog Food Advisor was $1,600,000 Dog Food Advisor is one of the most trusted pet food review sites in existence, providing pet parents with unrivaled insights and analysis of pet foods for their furry family members. In Q2, Due to popular demand, we took the knowledge and success of Dog Food Advisor and launched Cat Food Advisor, the premier destination for pet parents and their furry cat family members. With over 100 professionally reviewed pet products, including dry cat food, Raw cat food, kitten food and real time recall alerts across the U. S. Speaker 400:13:16And Canada. Turning to expenses. Cost of revenue, excluding depreciation and amortization, was flat year over year at 1,200,000 and represent 6% of revenue, down from 9% a year ago. This is the output of a very thoughtful operational excellence in the scalability of our tech stack, together with the implementation of AI to streamline our revenue generating operations. Platform operations and support expense was $3,500,000 or 18 percent of revenue, down from 24% a year ago. Speaker 400:13:53While non revenue generating platform operations and support functions remain a key backbone to the business, our operations have become highly efficient over the past year We redesigned and use AI tools to get answers faster. Now, the average pet parent receives more than 80% of their responses faster via Sales and marketing expenses 10,800,000 or 54 percent of revenue up from 48% a year ago, but in line with prior quarter trends. We continue to see Excellent opportunities to put dollars to work in sales and marketing as evidenced by our 10:one LTV to CAC, but are maintaining a deliberate and thoughtful approach in order to drive profitability earlier than anticipated. G and A expense was $4,900,000 or 25 percent of revenue, up from 19% a year ago. Comparing periods, Q2 'twenty three includes a one time legal settlement cost of 500,000 and over $1,000,000 of public company compliance costs that were not present in the prior year. Speaker 400:15:01Adjusting for these, G and A in Q2 'twenty three represents 16% on revenue. Looking to our balance sheet, we ended the 2nd quarter with approximately $32,000,000 in cash, Our balance sheet remains strong and sufficient to help us to continue to execute on our plan, which includes growing our existing business in a profitable manner, expanding our footprint in all corners of the pet care market through value add acquisition and bringing to market innovative new offerings. Moving to our guidance for 2023. As Garrett mentioned, we are thrilled with another quarter of outsized growth. As a result, we have reevaluated our 2023 full year forecast. Speaker 400:15:48For the full year For the full year 'twenty three, we continue to reiterate total revenue in the range of $80,000,000 to $84,000,000 as previously disclosed in March 23, and an increase to our adjusted EBITDA guidance to a range of $0 to $2,000,000 A $1,000,000 improvement versus our prior forecast at the high end of the range. For the Q3, we expect total revenue in the range of $19,000,000 to $20,000,000 which at the midpoint would be 27% increase in revenue over Q3 'twenty two and $0 to $1,000,000 in adjusted EBITDA or a 208% improvement over Q3 'twenty two adjusted EBITDA at the midpoint. We continue to be thoughtful and We believe we have turned the corner in Q2 'twenty three and will be adjusted EBITDA positive in subsequent quarters and on an annual basis. Further, as Adam mentioned, we plan to be free cash flow positive by the middle of 24, driven by our focus on robust unit economics and operational efficiency in 2023 and beyond. Our financial guidance includes the following consideration. Speaker 400:17:11The forecast incorporates our internal target of the rule of 50, meaning a total of greater than 50% for revenue growth plus adjusted EBITDA margin for the full year. Severe weather affects service demand and holidays drive incremental overnight versus daytime service demand. Going forward, we expect to skew to overnight and daytime services depending on summer and holidays. Pet adoption during the holidays also affects pet insurance penetration and demand for wellness plans. We anticipate the continued growth in the pet industry, driven by factors such as rising pet ownership, pet insurance penetration And increasing demand for premium pet products and services will have a positive impact on our financial performance in 2023, including on our entrance to Pet Food and Treat. Speaker 400:18:03General trends related to the state of the economy, interest rates and consumer confidence. We have factored in potential risks and opportunities related to these macroeconomic factors in order to accurately forecast our financial performance. We recognize that there may be potential risk to our financial performance in 2023, such as disruptions to global supply chain, changes in consumer behavior due to unexpected events, such as delayed or imbalanced return to office, digital and performance marketing trends, the potential impact of AI and our ability to expand through partnerships. In summary, our strong quarter results illustrate how we have become an all inclusive trusted partner for the premium pet parent and a key player in the pet community with a highly efficient and profitable business. Our intense focus on profitability and operational efficiencies in 'twenty three position us well for profitable growth for the rest of the year and in 'twenty four and beyond. Speaker 400:19:02And with that, we now welcome Q and A. Operator, can you kindly open it up for Q and A? Speaker 300:19:09Thank Speaker 100:19:28Our first question comes from Jason Helfstein with Oppenheimer. Your line is open. Speaker 500:19:33Thanks. Two questions. 1, so 10:one LTV CAC is kind of insane. It's suggesting that you're leaving growth on the table to kind of protect capital given that you're crossing over that EBITDA threshold. How are you thinking about leaning more into marketing at some point in the future? Speaker 500:19:53And then secondly, Are you seeing any head like how does the inflation headwinds on the pet insurance side impact you? Is it a positive because As premiums go up, you get kind of a cut of that on the lead. Just broad thoughts on how kind of some of the dynamics around pet insurance Could impact you guys? Thanks. Speaker 600:20:15Hey, Jason. This is Garrett. Thanks for the question. So first one, we agreed 10:1 LTV to CAC It's pretty amazing. And like we mentioned, deliberate. Speaker 600:20:26It's not a cash issue. It's more we just believe as we get more profitable, we'll deploy more capital in the growth. We think that's functionally going to be a 2024 story. We grew 55% year over year, so just saving some gas, so to speak. Secondly, in terms of headwinds or tailwinds in terms of pet insurance and wellness plans, we have not seen a direct impact of inflation. Speaker 600:20:48Although I would say, we have 2 consumers in the marketplace. The first is the pet insurance companies themselves, we partner with to Advertise their products. And the second one is the actual consumers purchasing the insurance. I think anything we've seen more of a Sensitivity from the actual pet insurance companies rather than the consumer as a function of kind of the market dynamics. Speaker 500:21:11Thank you. Speaker 100:21:13One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Tom White with D. A. Davidson. Your line is open. Operator00:21:26Hey, this is Wyatt Swanson on for Tom. Thanks for taking our questions. So I've got a question on your wellness segment. Can you talk a bit about how you're managing any risks in that business as it relates to revenue concentration? And what can you guys do to maybe diversify revenue streams Speaker 600:21:43in that segment over time. Speaker 500:21:44This is Wyatt, right Wyatt? Operator00:21:47Yes, Wyatt. Speaker 600:21:48Good to hear from you and thanks for the question. So Wellness, just as a reminder, scaled much more quickly than we originally anticipated. That business went from a few million to tens of 1,000,000 in revenue Run rate very, very quickly. We just kind of saw the fast moving water and leaned in quickly. We have a lot of customers in that business. Speaker 600:22:07So like I said earlier, we have kind of Two customers on the face of it. 1 is the actual consumers purchasing pet insurance for the first time or re upping or changing plans. The second one is the actual pet insurance companies. We work with something like 12 or more kind of major pet insurance companies in the U. S. Speaker 600:22:27And we just announced Earlier today, we're actually expanding into Canada with that product base. So pretty well diversified in terms of the actual insurance companies. But really our goal is just to make sure customers have the best choice for the pet insurance products and that's really what's functionally going to drive the demand curve. So certainly, we're being thoughtful about the demand itself, the words concentrated to, but the customers ultimately have the choice and they're just kind of picking the products that they want. Second thing I would just add there is we are the exclusive marketing partner of paw protect, which we think is phenomenal pet insurance product. Speaker 600:23:00And hopefully more and more consumers will find delight to them. So a lot of choice for the consumer and ultimately they're going to find the right thing for them. Hopefully, I answered your question. Operator00:23:09Yes, that's really helpful. Thank you. And then just a follow-up, could you update us on your latest thinking as it relates to The customer value proposition with WAG Premium as return to office continues to pick up, how are you thinking about the current unit economics with that offering versus trying to maximize customer adoption of it. Speaker 600:23:30Yes. So I think we've said this before. The goal with WAG Premium is to Keep customers engaged in the platform, not so much a revenue driving initiative. We found that certainly was mispriced at the beginning of this year, which is why you raised prices to $14.99 The penetration Our thesis and kind of belief in the product has not changed. We continue to believe there is a reason for consumers to Stay on the platform as participants of the WAG ecosystem. Speaker 600:23:57And we're so convinced of that, we actually are rolling out similarly Priced Pro tooling, so we mentioned earlier that Pet Caregiver Pro subscription and membership is something we're in the middle of testing and rolling out. So Again, we just we need more reasons and believe there's more reasons to be a forever customer of the WAG Ecosystem than anything else. Operator00:24:17Got it. Thank you very much. Speaker 100:24:20One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Matt Koranda with ROTH MKM. Your line is open. Speaker 700:24:33Hey, guys. Good afternoon. Just wondering on the international expansion for pet insurance. Have And maybe just talk about sort of the size of the addressable market that you're entering internationally? Speaker 600:24:55Hey, Matt. Good to hear from you. Garrett again. Yes. So we think international is mostly upside. Speaker 600:25:02Canada Pet Insurance, I think something like 500,000 pets growing kind of at 7% to 10% -ish outpacing general pet trends. We think there's a lot of room to run there. Still early for us. We're just kind of getting our footing, but we certainly think international is interesting. And I generally think the things you'll see us launching now, so we just announced Cat Food Advisor, we just announced Wellness Canada Are all kind of 2024 big bets, the things that we think are going to test now and lean into now and that'd be really driving forward in 2024. Speaker 600:25:30The business is growing at 55% year on year right now. Again, I think we're saving some gas in the tank, so to speak. Speaker 700:25:38Okay, got it. And then maybe for Alec, just on the Adjusted EBITDA guidance up a touch and it's very minor, but just are we just pulling through the 2nd quarter outperformance? Is there something incremental that we should be assuming in terms of cost savings or margin expansion that we should be factoring in for the 3rd Q4? Speaker 400:26:02No, I don't think so. I think Q2 is a representation of where we are today, as the output of Number of things that I mentioned on the efficiencies that we've been able to achieve Q2 to date, and I think we'll see those efficiencies with AI and automation Speaker 700:26:23Okay. Got it. And maybe just one more on the platform participant number. Healthy growth year over year, but I did notice sequentially it's down a bit. Any call outs just in terms of what's driving that number in the Q2. Speaker 700:26:38And then any I guess I did notice also that marketing sales and marketing was down a bit sequentially. Did we pull back During the quarter for any notable reason, maybe just speak to that and the platform participant number? Thanks. Speaker 600:26:53Yes. So we initially planned for Q1 and Q4 to kind of be the higher watermarks just as a function Wellness seasonality, Matt. As a reminder, last quarter, we did something like $20,600,000 of revenue. This quarter was $19,800,000 So you'll see just kind of sensitivity there with platform participants. It will just functionally match that. Speaker 600:27:12Your second question was sales and marketing was down. Yes, I think we're just being really thoughtful about where we're deploying dollars right now as just a function of And again, that was deliberate. You see it in LTV to CAC. I really want to just get to profitability, adjusted EBITDA profitability. It's not where there I think there's Room to keep plugging along. Speaker 600:27:30But for us, the major watermark was, can we get to adjusted EBITDA profitability a year ahead of time? And we did. So I think AOC has kind of get back to where we want to go. Speaker 700:27:40Great. Nice having the quarter and I'll take the rest of mine offline. Thanks guys. Speaker 100:27:45Thanks, Dan. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Jay Cole with Craig Hallum. Your line is open. Speaker 800:27:57Thanks, guys. This is Jack on for Jeremy. First one for me. So Could you just touch on what you're seeing in terms of return to office? I know Castle back to work barometer has been around Like 45% to 50%. Speaker 800:28:11Do you guys still think that can get to like 70% long term or What do you guys think the long term potential is there and how you think of that as a driver of revenue? Speaker 900:28:27Yes. Thanks for the question. Over the long term, yes, we certainly think it can get back to 70%. I think We see headlines all the time about this business getting back to office, that business getting back to office. But that's all anecdotal, Right. Speaker 900:28:42The Castleback to Gorakh barometer is kind of the thing that we're focusing most on and measuring against. So Speaker 300:28:53we're going to kind of Speaker 900:28:54invest in whatever the fastest moving water is. You've seen wellness Kind of be that over the last, 12, 18, maybe 24 months. So as in 2024, which is really kind of a resumption of the growth story. You'll see us investing behind whatever has the highest returns. So If the Castleback to Work barometer is still at the 50% level, I think that will scale our investments appropriately across the different kind of business lines. Speaker 900:29:25If we see more momentum in kind of the return to office in January and that's the timeline that the business is on, then certainly we're going Put firepower behind the services segment. Speaker 800:29:38Got it. Great. That's really helpful. And then maybe switching gears in terms of the premium price point. Are you seeing any pushback from Customers on the $14.99 I noticed the premium penetration went down from 55% to 54. Speaker 800:29:56Just kind of maybe a little bit more color on that. And do you think that you'll stay around that 14.99 For a little bit here, presumably it will continue to rise long term, but just any color on the premium pricing would be great. Speaker 900:30:12Yes. So I would say the 54% was still above kind of our internal targeting. I think that we're happy anywhere in the kind of 40% to 50% range is kind of our kind of guidepost. So 54% is well ahead of internal expectations. In terms of pricing, no, like no real pressure. Speaker 900:30:33The kind of mix of services in the summer can be More travel based as opposed to in office based, but it's going to be more of a sitting and boarding as opposed to walking. So there's kind of some dynamics there. But All around, I think we're really happy with the price and customers seem really happy with the value they're getting. Speaker 800:30:52Got it. That's helpful color. That's all for me. Thanks, guys. Speaker 100:30:56One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Greg Pendy with Chardan. Your line is open. Speaker 1000:31:07Hey, thanks a lot for taking my questions. Just one real quick, just as you called out seasonality in your financial outlook, can you just give us any Color on any meaningful differences? I know we could back into the revenues, but just in terms of expenses on overnight versus daytime services. And then secondarily on that point, is there any opportunity you think to grow overnight with sort of a growing premium penetration? Right. Speaker 1000:31:34Thanks. Speaker 900:31:36Yes. So as it pertains to seasonality, The sitting and boarding business, which is effectively a travel business, is going to be Q4 heavy, as you might expect. Yes. So if the walking business is a derivative of office occupancy and the sitting and boarding are a derivative of Travel, certainly, we're going to be investing behind the kind of travel adjacent businesses, right? So we think there's a lot we can do in terms of ecosystem and caregiver tools to help them promote themselves and build their business. Speaker 900:32:14So yes, we think that it's a big market and there's lots of opportunity Speaker 300:32:21to grow. Speaker 700:32:25Okay. Speaker 600:32:25And do you have can you give Speaker 1000:32:27us any kind of rough estimates on where you think you are in penetration in boarding versus the market size, just so we get an idea of how big or what type of opportunity that could be? Speaker 600:32:41Yes. Hey, Greg. You have Garrett. So again, taking a step back, WAG started with on demand dog walking in the U. S. Speaker 600:32:48In a few cities, And very quickly, people end up falling in love with it, using it 4 to 5 times a month. And we're really now just realizing that customers want us for everything else, which a lot of the last few years you've seen Launch things like 20, 30 and 60 minute drop ins, 1 on 1 training, personalized pet advice with a vet expert, Specialty services in the last quarter or 2, which is things like trail running and photos with your dog and all kinds of really cute requests. And I think if you look at the new app and kind of how we're designing things, you'll see us put the caregiver more front and center, which is really a function of just giving people choice. We think leads us to more kind of sitting and boarding requests and other kind of episodic requests. Now that we have the customer locked in with premium. Speaker 600:33:27We're really early. As a reminder, our business is majority kind of on demand or daytime services. And so we're really, I think, if anything, kind of less than 5% penetrated in the travel category, and there's a long way to run there. So very excited about the opportunity and you'll see kind of consistent changes in the product experience, which we think will make us more competitive for the customer. Speaker 1000:33:49That's very helpful. Thanks a lot. Speaker 100:33:52This concludes today's Q and A session. I'd now like to turn the call back over to Garrett Smallwood for any closing remarks. Speaker 600:33:58Thanks everyone for another quarter. This is almost our 1 year anniversary. So it's been fun and we look forward to the next one. Thanks so much. Speaker 100:34:06Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's presentation. You may now disconnect and have a wonderfulRead morePowered by