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ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast Palatin Technologies EPS ResultsActual EPS-$0.91Consensus EPS -$0.53Beat/MissMissed by -$0.38One Year Ago EPS-$1.34Palatin Technologies Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$1.76 millionExpected Revenue$1.26 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$500.00 thousandYoY Revenue GrowthN/APalatin Technologies Announcement DetailsQuarterQ4 2023Date9/28/2023TimeQ4 2023 Earnings ReleaseConference Call DateThursday, September 28, 2023Conference Call Time11:00AM ETConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Annual Report (10-K)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Palatin Technologies Q4 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrSeptember 28, 2023 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 5 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Greetings, and welcome to Palatin's 4th Quarter and Fiscal Year End 2023 Operating Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. Before we begin our remarks, I would like to remind you that Statements made by Palatin are not historical facts and may be forward looking statements. Operator00:00:37These statements are based on assumptions that may or may not prove to be accurate and that the actual results may differ materially from those anticipated due to the variety of risks and uncertainties discussed in the company's most recent filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Please consider such risks and uncertainties carefully in evaluating these forward looking statements by Palatin's prospects. Now I would like to turn the call over to our host, Doctor. Carl Spanner, President and Chief Executive Officer of Palatin. Speaker 100:01:12Thank you. Good morning, and welcome to the Palatin 4th quarter and fiscal year end 2023 call. I'm Doctor. Carl Spana, CEO and President of Palatin. With me on the call today is Steve Wills, Palatin's Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Chief Operating Officer. Speaker 100:01:27I'll now turn the call over to Steve and he will give financial and Speaker 200:01:32Thank you, Carl, and good morning and good afternoon, everyone. Starting with Vyleesi, As a reminder, Vyleesi is our FDA approved commercial product for premenopausal women with hypoactive sexual desire disorder for HSDD. The goal of the Vyleesi program is to demonstrate commercial product value in the marketplace. With 6 consecutive quarters of double digit growth that we're going to talk about shortly, I think we're doing that. But the objective is to relicense the U. Speaker 200:02:08S. Rights to a committed women's healthcare company and that process is advancing. When I say nicely, we do expect that there will be a transaction that we will strongly consider later this year. More about that as we move forward. Specifically, for the fiscal Q4 ended June 30, 2023, Vyleesi gross product sales amounted to $4,100,000 This was an increase of 20% over the prior quarter and an increase of 78% over the comparable quarter last year. Speaker 200:02:45Net product revenue of $1,800,000 increased 47% over the prior quarter and increased 128% over the comparable quarter last year. Total prescriptions Dispensed increased 16% over the prior quarter and increased 92% over the comparable quarter last year. All the value metrics are moving in a positive direction. Refill rates, commercial insurance reimbursement and net revenue per prescription dispense Continued with impactful results and trends versus the prior quarter and comparable quarter last year. Regarding Vyleesi licensees outside the U. Speaker 200:03:27S. Fosun Pharma, Palatin's licensee of Vyleesi in China reported its first sale in the Hanian Province of China Kwandong Pharmaceuticals, Palatin's licensee of Vyleesi in South Korea, completed enrollment in its Phase 3 clinical trial evaluating And data from this trial is currently anticipated by calendar year end with a potential regulatory submission in the first half of calendar year twenty twenty four. On an Additional distribution front, Palatin entered into a strategic partnership with Upscript Health, a leading direct to consumer telemedicine company, Providing telemedicine services to pharmaceutical and medical technology companies and we anticipate the reach for Vyleesi from an awareness standpoint We'll be increasing over the coming quarters. Moving over to the financial update. For the Q4 and I will also highlight certain fiscal year ended June 30, 2023 Results. Speaker 200:04:37Regarding revenue, total revenue consists of gross product sales of Vyleesi, which is net of expenses, allowances and accruals and license and contract revenue. Vyleesi gross product sales to pharmacy distributors for the quarter ended June 30, 2023, as I mentioned, was $4,100,000 with net product revenue of $1,800,000 and this compared to gross product sales of $2,300,000 and net product revenue of $800,000 for the comparable quarter last year. Gross product sales increased 78% Net product revenue increased 128% over the comparable quarter last year. Moving to operating expenses. Total operating expenses were $12,600,000 for the Q4 ended June 30, 2023, compared to $13,900,000 for the comparable quarter last year. Speaker 200:05:30The decrease in operating expenses was mainly the result The recognition of expenses during the fiscal year June 30, 2022, in connection with the sale and issuance of our Series B and Series C redeemable Convertible preferred stock and secondarily to lower spending on our marketing efforts of Vyleesi during fiscal 2023. I do want to expand a comment in that regarding this $12,600,000 again for the Q4 of June Q4 ended June 30, 2023, This $12,600,000 of operating expenses, this is actually greater than what we, if you will, had projected internally. And the reason being, we advanced our programs primarily our Phase 3 dry eye disease trial, which we did report on recently hit full enrollment. That full enrollment did trigger a milestone, which triggered an expense and a payment. But I do want to note that 12,600,000 Expenses operating expenses for the June 30th quarter, going forward over the next several quarters, that number, those operating expenses will be significantly less Then $12,600,000 Again, we advanced the programs, we hit some milestones, you're going to have some greater expenses, there's always going to be some timing issues in that regard. Speaker 200:06:47Let me move over to the cash flows. Palatin's net cash used in operations for the quarter ended June 30, 2023 was $9,600,000 Compared to net cash used in operations of $7,700,000 for the same period in 2022. Again, same reason as I just addressed above, We had some greater expenses due to the advancement of the programs, which is a positive thing, hitting some milestones that hit in the June 30th quarter. Palatin's net cash used in operations for the fiscal year ended June 30, for the full fiscal year, was $28,400,000 Compared to net cash used in operations of $29,900,000 for the same period in 2022. The decrease in net cash used in operations, Which is not a significant amount was frankly due to a number of items including different spending levels for Vyleesi, but also we did recognize Some sales, some net operating losses to the state of New Jersey that generated over $4,000,000 of non dilutive financing. Speaker 200:07:50Finishing up on the financials with the net loss and the cash position. Palatin's net loss for the quarter, fiscal year ended June 30, 2023 was $10,700,000 Again, that was for the quarter and $27,700,000 for the year, respectively, compared to a net loss of $12,800,000 $36,200,000 respectively for the same periods in 2022. Regarding our cash position, as of June 30, 2023, Palatin's cash, cash equivalents and marketable securities We're approximately $11,000,000 plus $2,900,000 of accounts receivable. Those accounts receivables 100% good. All those funds have been received in the July August timeframe. Speaker 200:08:35And this compared to cash and cash equivalents Of $19,600,000 with $1,700,000 of accounts receivables as of March 31, 2023. You might say, hey, those accounts receivables went up a little bit. Well, we're selling more, All good. And based on our current operating plan, we believe that existing cash, cash equivalents and marketable securities and receivables Will be sufficient to fund currently anticipated operating expenses through calendar year 2023. Of note, I do want to Highlight that Palatin's audited financial statements for the year ended June 30, 2023 to be included in the annual report on Form 10 ks Does include an audit report from our independent registered public accounting firm, KPMG, that contains a going concern explanatory paragraph, which we have had for quite some time. Speaker 200:09:29With that said, I'm going to turn it back over to Karl to talk a bit more granular about our Exciting development and commercial programs. Speaker 100:09:38Carl? Thank you, Steve. Over the course of 2023, we've continued to successfully on our strategy to develop novel therapeutics based on activating the melanocortin system. As I stated previously, we are focused On establishing the melanocortin system as a target for safe and effective medicines to treat inflammatory and autoimmune diseases and to develop A pipeline of highly effective drugs with unparalleled safety. An important component of our strategy is to advance our understanding of the role of the melanocortin System and stress responses, inflammation and tissue repair. Speaker 100:10:09Our research efforts are being recognized with the numerous peer reviewed and scientific presentations by our Scientists and academic collaborators, our research efforts have allowed us to identify opportunities for novel innovative therapeutics to design better clinical trials And our key support for our business development activities. We have 3 active clinical programs based on melanocort and Agnus developed from our research efforts. We're very pleased, as Steve mentioned, to have completed patient enrollment in the PL-nine thousand six hundred and forty three MELODY-one Phase 3 study in dry eye disease and are working to deliver top line data before calendar year end. Our Phase 2 study evaluating oral PL-eight thousand one hundred and seventy seven, a selective melanocortin 1 receptor agonist in ulcerative colitis patients is on track to complete patient enrollment by calendar year end with the interim assessment data as early as calendar year end. BREAKOUT, our Phase 2 open label study in diabetic patients with kidney disease is also on track for top line data in the Q1 of 2024. Speaker 100:11:12Some of the additional highlights for the Q4 fiscal year end 2023 are as follows. On the commercial front, we are pleased with Vyleesi's quarter over quarter double digit increases across all value metrics. Notably, net product revenue increased 47% And prescription dispensed increased 16% over the prior quarter. We are excited that Vyleesi quarterly net product revenue continues to exceed Vyleesi As an extension of our commercial efforts in sexual dysfunction, we have developed As a treatment for men with erectile dysfunction that has failed current PD-five inhibitor therapy, tisaglimatide is the active ingredient in Vyleesi And phosphodiesterase V inhibitors or PD-five inhibitors are such drugs as Viagra, Cialis, VICR and these are the standard of care for men with erectile dysfunction. You may not be aware, but approximately 35% of men with erectile dysfunction fail or have an inadequate response to current treatments It represents a very large underserved market. Speaker 100:12:22The only treatment options for these patients are highly invasive such as penile injections or penile implants. We have previously conducted clinical trials showing the synergistic effects of combining bremelanotide with a PD-five inhibitor as a treatment for erectile dysfunction. The large market opportunity and our clinical work support commercial development of this novel formulation and we are planning to initiate clinical programs as early as the end of this year. Our ocular programs continue to make impressive advances. As we stated, MELODY-one It's fully enrolled and we expect data by year end. Speaker 100:12:58We are very excited by the emerging product profile for PL-nine thousand six hundred and forty three, Which is highly differentiated from current treatments for dry eye disease with excellent ocular tolerability, broad efficacy that we believe will make PL-nine thousand six hundred and forty three, the leading treatment for dry eye disease. We presented data from the analysis of the lead in population A VIMELITY-1 Phase 3 trial at the Annual Meeting of the Association For Research in Vision and Ophthalmology, also known as ARVO, Where PL-nine sixty three demonstrated broad efficacy and statistical significance, separation across multiple signs and symptoms of dry eye disease An excellent ocular tolerability and safety profile with no I repeat, no ocular adverse events. This analysis was extremely important, allowing us to confidently set the primary sign and symptom endpoints, the hierarchical ordering of secondary endpoints, The analytical methods and sample size for the double blind segment of MELODY-one. We are very excited about the data coming out and We've done everything we can to reduce the risk of this trial and are anticipating a very positive outcome. We also presented data at ARVO On PL-nine thousand five hundred and eighty eight, our melanocortin based treatment for glaucoma. Speaker 100:14:08In preclinical studies, PL-nine thousand five hundred and eighty eight showed competitive effects on reducing intraocular pressure With a single topical dose, with a magnitude of effect similar to the positive controls of tannoprost and timolol, which are some of the current treatments that are used, With effects lasting up to 24 hours. Importantly, we also have shown effects on optic nerve protection, which we think next generation treatments for glaucoma are going to need. So not only do we lower intraocular pressure with this compound, we actually protect the operative nerve. As we are preparing to advance this important program, have already initiated regulatory discussions with the FDA. Our research efforts also made significant advances with multiple presentations at scientific meetings, Publications in peer reviewed journals and our expertise in line of corticosteron's innovative clinical programs are supporting our business development activities. Speaker 100:14:58We have multiple ongoing discussions with potential partners for our programs and we remain optimistic that we will enter into 1 or more partnerships help advance some of these very exciting programs. As we look forward to fiscal 2024, we have significant opportunities to drive value. We have data coming from 3 clinical trials, initiation of 2 new clinical programs, continued Vyleesi growth and partnerships, Advances of Vyleesi by our South Korean and Chinese partners. Steve and I would like to thank you for listening to the Palatin 4th quarter fiscal year end 2023 conference call. You can find additional information on our science and clinical programs on our website, www.palatin.com, and you can find additional information on Vyleesi at the vyleesi.com website. Speaker 100:15:42Thank you. We will now open the call to questions. Operator00:15:47Thank you very much. At this time, we will be conducting a question and answer session. Thank you. Your first question is coming from Joe Pantginis Genis from H. C. Operator00:16:24Wainwright. Joe, your line is live. Speaker 300:16:27Hey, guys. Good morning. A couple of questions, if you don't mind. But first, best of luck with Consummating a Vyleesi transaction, I know it's highly anticipated as you continue to show good traction by not Doing that much on your end and having DTC actually show some good results. So best of luck with that. Speaker 300:16:46So first, On the 8,177 program, wanted to focus a little more on the upcoming data, which is, I think, anticipated around year end or maybe going into the beginning of the year. What level of data or what do you think you're going to be able to show us for that interim in UC patients? Speaker 100:17:04So yes, that's the Mary, endpoint data. So this is a 8 week treatment study, obviously active versus placebo. And we're looking primarily at a colonoscopy score, so an endoscopic score. So we're looking for grading. We're looking forward to see end of lesions also kind of lesions to decrease and show clear evidence of healing Based on the Mayo Endoscopic sub score. Speaker 300:17:32Got it. Got it. And then, Obviously, I mean going back to Vyleesi a little bit, but more for the combination that you recently announced and gave more details today with the PDE5 combination. Any more color regarding the design that you're looking at and what kind of enrollment expectations you might have be able to drive say rapid data. Speaker 100:17:56Sure. Kamli, so in the The study that we're anticipating conducting the drugs will be given in co administered, so they won't be the co formulation. What we're looking for in the study is to determine the right ratio of bremelanotide to the PD-five inhibitor for the failure patients. The co formulation would be used in the second in the follow-up study to that, where we can limit the number of combinations that we have to look at. So the study these studies involve very rapidly. Speaker 100:18:28We've got we'd probably have 2 clinical sites actually Philadelphia and New York. We're working with one of the advantages as we've had obviously a very long history of working in sexual dysfunction and ED as well. So as we reached back out to some of our key investigators, they were quite enthusiastic about conducting this study. As they pointed out to us, there hasn't been Innovation and RECOVER dysfunction in 30 years and these guys really don't have an alternative. So I would anticipate extremely rapid enrollment in the study. Speaker 300:19:01Okay, good. And then you know what, I will go back to Vyleesi by itself for a second. So look, I believe you guys have the wherewithal to be able To, like I said, consummate transactions because obviously, you've had the ex U. S. Deals as well already in place With upcoming news, as you alluded to, I guess, let me play the opposite side of the argument. Speaker 300:19:22Nothing in this world is guaranteed until things are signed. So on the other end of the spectrum, if you do not, say license it in the U. S, what potential plans or Scenarios would you entertain with regard to Vyleesi and what kind of potential investment you might or might not be considering? Speaker 200:19:44Well, it's thanks for that question there, Joe. Listen, we internally, we couldn't be many we couldn't be more pleased with The results, 6 consecutive quarters of double digit growth and but more importantly, we're not losing any money. In fact, we're making money on Vyleesi. We have a very limited infrastructure. Our plan is the targeted profitable growth and we're doing that. Speaker 200:20:09I mean, we got 1 point $8,000,000 of net sales, we anticipate that going up for the Q3 and the Q4. And it's at some point, if we don't pull the trigger And we have options. We 100% have options on pulling a trigger for a transaction for Vyleesi. It's always that balance Of the value now versus potentially the value later, there's many things that we could do to and we are considering, But we're trying to balance on it, well, if you do it something here now, how does that affect the potential transaction if it's going to be a quarter or 2 later? And a lot of that is around distribution expansion. Speaker 200:20:49We are not considering adding a sales force or feet on the ground, But there's many more outlets out there, especially around the telehealth, telemedicine, I. E. With Upscripts that would like to Distribute Vyleesi. So we are advancing those types of discussions. Those are things that we frankly, once we do the deal, we're transferring the product over to them for A certain price and they're selling it there. Speaker 200:21:17It doesn't it's not going to disrupt what we're doing right now. A lot of Those outlets utilize cash only basis, but it's really a market and a patient group that we are currently Not able to serve because of the way we're set up for the infrastructure and the spend. So to come back around, we have very significant We have multiple options that could generate significant value and increase revenue, but not one of them is going to result in us Spending money where we're not making money with Vyleesi. We've been making money on Vyleesi for the last several quarters and anything we do will continue in With that type of strategy. Speaker 300:22:02Got it. Appreciate the color guys. Operator00:22:06Thank you very much. Your next question is coming from Michael Higgins of Ladenburg Thalmann. Michael, your line is live. Speaker 400:22:15Thanks, Efra. Congrats, guys. Thanks for taking the question. Congrats on continued progress with Vyleesi and the rest of the pipeline. Just a follow-up with Vyleesi on the erectile dysfunction program. Speaker 400:22:27Joe is asking some smart questions about the trial. Just want to ask one more if I could on design, size, that type What you are able to share at this time or do you plan to wait until you start that program? Speaker 100:22:43So these are pretty straightforward studies. These are as I said, these are dosing studies that are designed to find the appropriate ratio In patients that have failed PD5 inhibitor therapy, you'll be looking at static dose of the PD5 inhibitor With increasing doses of bremelanotide on top of that in patients that have failed PD-five inhibitor therapy. So There's no trick to these studies. They're pretty straightforward. The way the matrix that we use to measure efficacy are well established. Speaker 100:23:21So these studies, as I said, they enroll very quickly and there's lots of patients out there. Keep in mind, we've also had some discussions with potential third parties around this and there's a high interest here. There are a lot of companies as you are aware That are distributing PD5 inhibitors on a cash basis. Many of those companies have now added reimbursement, insurance reimbursement and they're looking For new product in the ED space. So this is one where I would expect that we would be able to transact relatively early in its development front. Speaker 400:23:57That's fair. We'll take a look at the other Phase 2 that have been done. It's been many, many years, but we'll give us some sense for it. It sounds like you've got some bromelainotide and PDE5 inhibitor combination data. If so, what are your plans to share that? Speaker 100:24:13Well, those are published. That data is published. It's out in the public domain. You can find it. Speaker 400:24:20I see. Right. I have those. Speaker 100:24:22I was thinking about additional There are additional publications by 3rd party groups, not Palatin, that have looked at Monotherapy, for example, of bremelanotide in PD-five inhibitor failure showing that a significant percentage, a third of the patients that fail PD-five immunotherapy can be rescued on myelotherapy alone. So there's a very strong precedent here. And I think this is a program that in our mind Represents has a very low clinical risk. You have FDA approved agents that are Obviously, the PD-five inhibitors work. Obviously, we know they work in men and we've shown we've treated almost 2,500 men With retinal dysfunction with bremelanotide. Speaker 100:25:06So I think there's very strong clinical precedence here. And more importantly, there's a very high medical need here. Mean a lot of these there's a lot of men out there that just don't have other options. So we like it from the standpoint, I think both the commercial side and the development side are relatively low risk. Speaker 400:25:22Yes. That looks great. So we'll refer to that again in our notes. But another exciting program Coming up here might be in obesity, considering it's a monocortin target that you have for your pipeline. Any update or feedback for us on interest in the obesity space? Speaker 100:25:45I'll just say Steve is looking at me, he's giving me a glare. I want to say a few things there. Many of you of course know we've had a very strong interest in obesity because in part Many of the people that may be listening to this are a little bit younger and I've been around as long as we have. The monoclonal 4 receptor is probably the first Validated target for obesity treatment and many of most of the larger companies did have programs looking for small molecules. And unfortunately, it's a very difficult target for small molecules, but a very good one for peptides. Speaker 100:26:14I know, Michael, you're aware you cover setmelanotide, the rhythm product. We have published on 2 studies that we conducted with bremelanotide showing very nice weight loss Using premilatinib in obese patients. We also had a very nice collaboration with AstraZeneca for a number of years. So we have a tremendous experience And the role of the miticortin system in regulating food intake and obesity with excellent compounds, Good insight on how to develop small molecules. So, we're quite excited about the current growth in that marketplace. Speaker 100:26:52And There is a coming attraction. There are there's an obesity week coming up in a couple of weeks. I'm sure you're well aware of that. And so I would just say stay tuned. Speaker 400:27:03Definitely, I'll be down there in Dallas for that. So look forward to that. Question for you, last one and I can can jump back in the queue or keep going, you'll let me know. But one last one here for now anyway, it's on by Lizzie. Listen to your comments on the program and your Conversation Steve with Joe about where to go with this. Speaker 400:27:21And it occurs to me that with successful advancement in erectile dysfunction, you could market this The only drug for cyclodysfunction in both men and women. That would be unique. That would get a lot of attention. Any thoughts about hanging out of the program a bit longer at least through Some Phase 2 data with the combination study. Speaker 100:27:43Since you brought the topic up about For sexual dysfunction, there are also clinicians that are prescribing it for men that have other types of sexual dysfunction, sexual dysfunction due to SSRI use, Well, desire to do stress factors and other things, I think works very well in those. And there may be some upcoming data at a meeting About that in the near future. So I personally believe that this will be the more treatable with male and female sexual dysfunction. Speaker 200:28:12So let me just jump in also Michael in that listen, we couldn't be any more excited with the results we've had and some of the things that we're not When you elaborate on today on where we think with the right investment, very significant normative value for both patients And different types of patients, albeit the pre, the post and the mail that you're referencing. So 100% we're analyzing and assessing that. And we have to balance that with, okay, you have several potential transactions that you could maybe move forward with. And even if you feel that strongly, and we do, we think there is a lot of value there. The longer we keep Vyleesi and we keep having these results, the more value got to get in the future. Speaker 200:29:00But we also have to balance it and being realistic. This is a tough landscape, right? We're a small biotech company And we're getting into cash those cash numbers where we may have to do something over the next several quarters. And the dilutive financing for some deals out there are not pretty. And we're not going to do Some of those deals that are being done. Speaker 200:29:27I'm not trying to blow it down or judge anybody else. There are different factors that they take into account, But we are not going to be doing some of those deals that Speaker 100:29:38are being done that I Speaker 200:29:39don't think a company can recover from. So with that, we have to balance, Hey, I have a non dilutive financing. And no matter what, it's going to be a good deal. But timing is a significant factor for us and we do take into account the market landscape regarding raising funds. A quick pause on that after the Coke and the hot dog, that's not the only potential collaboration that we have that could happen. Speaker 200:30:08And I'm not just Moving away from Vyleesi, which we have a lot of confidence in. Dry eye disease, we have obviously the data is coming out. We're hoping for that nice Christmas present and the holidays there. But our other programs have interest. And that's also something a lot of times the more the further you take your program, as long as everything's working well, safety, efficacy, tolerability, those types of things, More than likely the greater value you're going to get, but you have to balance where your company is and doing what's right for the shareholders regarding Non dilutive versus dilutive financing, but I want to be clear, we do have other interest. Speaker 200:30:49Carl and I try to talk to as many people as we can, where think it was either you or Joe asked about the 8,177 yellow cystic colitis endpoints. Listen, these endpoints, This is based on a lot of conversation, not just for KOLs, but companies that would be interested. It's a nice way you start with, hey, if we get the 1st base, Do you care, right? And we've changed the protocol based on that type of feedback and that was both with the dry eye disease and also with the ulcerative colitis. But to be clear, we have multiple That's on the goal for cash flow coming in 100 percent separate than a potential equity raise. Speaker 400:31:28That's great feedback. Thank you. If I may, speaking of the earlier pipeline programs And cash as well. You've talked about 9,643 starting another indication possibly by year end. It doesn't sound like that's going to happen. Speaker 400:31:44I just want to I'll bring that one up. Is that still Sure. Speaker 100:31:48So Michael, we were in the ocular space, we are following up with a separate compound for glaucoma. That would be the next ocular program that pending resources obviously we would take forward. We've already started outreach to the FDA on what a trial design would look like, some of the preclinical things we would need And we'll have that feedback before year end. So we would tend to go there, in part because Our goal in 9,643 coming out of the Melodi 1 would really be to look for a partnership. So obviously in the partnership, We take all of the opportunity for PL-nine thousand six hundred and forty three will be taken up by that partnership. Speaker 100:32:29So that's why we've held back on some of the things we could do there. And really we're focusing on glaucoma and also back of the eye with 9,654, which we didn't talk about, but there's tremendous interest in Our retinal programs, even though they're preclinical, they do represent a novel mechanism and many people don't Many investors don't follow the scientific literature, the posters and the things we've been presenting there, but the data is quite really quite exciting on how this The melanocortin mechanism works to protect the back of the eye from damage and that really feeds into both retinal and glaucoma. So that's why we're very I mean there's not a product out there for glaucoma for example that can lower intraocular pressure and provide neuroprotection which is really what's needed. So when we think about how we choose these programs, we do want to make sure these products are well differentiated from what's out there in the marketplace And they have opportunity to become the leading products in their category. Speaker 400:33:29Yes, I would very much agree. We get back to the I programs. Question we had coming into this, I'll dovetail off of DASDA 9,580. I think you're looking to have an IND cleared by year end, But you're also working with your subcu formulation. Any update for us on that? Speaker 400:33:46And maybe that's bumping into 9,654, but Speaker 100:33:50So we go through it. So 9,580 for glaucoma is topical administration. There, again, The progression of these types of programs are purely resource dependent, right? There's no we have no impediment to moving that product forward. The data is sufficient. Speaker 100:34:09The activities that we need are beginning to occur. It's a matter of, as Steve was saying, in a tough landscape, we do have to balance out we Balance out. But I think we'll be successful in what we're doing. So I think the cash will take care of itself. Speaker 400:34:27I appreciate all the feedback guys. Thank you. Operator00:34:32Thank you very much. We don't appear to have any further questions in the queue. I will now hand back over to Karl for any closing comments. Speaker 100:34:43Yes. I'd like to thank all of you for participating in the Palatin Q4 fiscal year end 2023. I think through our presentation and I think the hopefully eliminating questions from the analysts, I think you've gotten a good flavor of the depth Of what Palatin can deliver from a valuation standpoint. And I know there can always be frustration and disconnects Between valuation and opportunity, particularly when we deal with microcap companies, but we certainly believe we're undervalued and we certainly are going to be working hard to correct that. And we believe we have all the right things in place to do that. Speaker 100:35:18So thank you. Look forward to continue update you guys and have a great day. And thank you on behalf of Steve and myself and all the employees of Paladin. Operator00:35:29Thank you very much. This does conclude today's conference call. You may disconnectRead morePowered by Key Takeaways Vyleesi's Q4 gross product sales reached $4.1 M, up 78% year-over-year with net product revenue rising 128% and total prescriptions dispensed increasing 92%. The company expects to relicense U.S. commercialization rights for Vyleesi to a dedicated women’s healthcare partner, with a transaction anticipated later this year. As of June 30, 2023, Palatin held ~$11 M in cash and equivalents plus $2.9 M in receivables—sufficient to fund operations through calendar 2023—but its audited financials include a going concern explanatory paragraph. Palatin’s pipeline is advancing: the PL9643 dry eye disease Phase 3 (MELODY-1) trial is fully enrolled with top-line data due by year-end 2023; the PL8177 ulcerative colitis Phase 2 study is on track for enrollment completion and interim data by year-end; and a Phase 2 study in diabetic kidney disease is set for Q1 2024 data. A Phase 2 program combining bremelanotide with PD-5 inhibitors in men with erectile dysfunction who failed standard therapy is planned to start by year-end, targeting a large underserved market. AI Generated. 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Email Address About Palatin TechnologiesPalatin Technologies (NYSEAMERICAN:PTN), a biopharmaceutical company, develops targeted receptor-specific therapeutics for the treatment of various diseases in the United States. The company's lead product is Vyleesi, a melanocortin receptor (MCr) agonist for the treatment of premenopausal women with hypoactive sexual desire disorder. It is also developing oral PL8177, a selective MC1r agonist peptide that is in Phase 2 clinical trial for the treatment of inflammatory bowel diseases. In addition, the company engages in the development of PL9643, a peptide melanocortin agonist active at multiple MCrs, including MC1r and MC5r for anti-inflammatory ocular indications, such as dry eye disease, which is in Phase 3 clinical trial; and melanocortin peptides for diabetic retinopathy. Further, it is developing PL8177, an oral peptide formulation for treatment of ulcerative colitis, which entered Phase 2 clinical trials. 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There are 5 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Greetings, and welcome to Palatin's 4th Quarter and Fiscal Year End 2023 Operating Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. Before we begin our remarks, I would like to remind you that Statements made by Palatin are not historical facts and may be forward looking statements. Operator00:00:37These statements are based on assumptions that may or may not prove to be accurate and that the actual results may differ materially from those anticipated due to the variety of risks and uncertainties discussed in the company's most recent filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Please consider such risks and uncertainties carefully in evaluating these forward looking statements by Palatin's prospects. Now I would like to turn the call over to our host, Doctor. Carl Spanner, President and Chief Executive Officer of Palatin. Speaker 100:01:12Thank you. Good morning, and welcome to the Palatin 4th quarter and fiscal year end 2023 call. I'm Doctor. Carl Spana, CEO and President of Palatin. With me on the call today is Steve Wills, Palatin's Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Chief Operating Officer. Speaker 100:01:27I'll now turn the call over to Steve and he will give financial and Speaker 200:01:32Thank you, Carl, and good morning and good afternoon, everyone. Starting with Vyleesi, As a reminder, Vyleesi is our FDA approved commercial product for premenopausal women with hypoactive sexual desire disorder for HSDD. The goal of the Vyleesi program is to demonstrate commercial product value in the marketplace. With 6 consecutive quarters of double digit growth that we're going to talk about shortly, I think we're doing that. But the objective is to relicense the U. Speaker 200:02:08S. Rights to a committed women's healthcare company and that process is advancing. When I say nicely, we do expect that there will be a transaction that we will strongly consider later this year. More about that as we move forward. Specifically, for the fiscal Q4 ended June 30, 2023, Vyleesi gross product sales amounted to $4,100,000 This was an increase of 20% over the prior quarter and an increase of 78% over the comparable quarter last year. Speaker 200:02:45Net product revenue of $1,800,000 increased 47% over the prior quarter and increased 128% over the comparable quarter last year. Total prescriptions Dispensed increased 16% over the prior quarter and increased 92% over the comparable quarter last year. All the value metrics are moving in a positive direction. Refill rates, commercial insurance reimbursement and net revenue per prescription dispense Continued with impactful results and trends versus the prior quarter and comparable quarter last year. Regarding Vyleesi licensees outside the U. Speaker 200:03:27S. Fosun Pharma, Palatin's licensee of Vyleesi in China reported its first sale in the Hanian Province of China Kwandong Pharmaceuticals, Palatin's licensee of Vyleesi in South Korea, completed enrollment in its Phase 3 clinical trial evaluating And data from this trial is currently anticipated by calendar year end with a potential regulatory submission in the first half of calendar year twenty twenty four. On an Additional distribution front, Palatin entered into a strategic partnership with Upscript Health, a leading direct to consumer telemedicine company, Providing telemedicine services to pharmaceutical and medical technology companies and we anticipate the reach for Vyleesi from an awareness standpoint We'll be increasing over the coming quarters. Moving over to the financial update. For the Q4 and I will also highlight certain fiscal year ended June 30, 2023 Results. Speaker 200:04:37Regarding revenue, total revenue consists of gross product sales of Vyleesi, which is net of expenses, allowances and accruals and license and contract revenue. Vyleesi gross product sales to pharmacy distributors for the quarter ended June 30, 2023, as I mentioned, was $4,100,000 with net product revenue of $1,800,000 and this compared to gross product sales of $2,300,000 and net product revenue of $800,000 for the comparable quarter last year. Gross product sales increased 78% Net product revenue increased 128% over the comparable quarter last year. Moving to operating expenses. Total operating expenses were $12,600,000 for the Q4 ended June 30, 2023, compared to $13,900,000 for the comparable quarter last year. Speaker 200:05:30The decrease in operating expenses was mainly the result The recognition of expenses during the fiscal year June 30, 2022, in connection with the sale and issuance of our Series B and Series C redeemable Convertible preferred stock and secondarily to lower spending on our marketing efforts of Vyleesi during fiscal 2023. I do want to expand a comment in that regarding this $12,600,000 again for the Q4 of June Q4 ended June 30, 2023, This $12,600,000 of operating expenses, this is actually greater than what we, if you will, had projected internally. And the reason being, we advanced our programs primarily our Phase 3 dry eye disease trial, which we did report on recently hit full enrollment. That full enrollment did trigger a milestone, which triggered an expense and a payment. But I do want to note that 12,600,000 Expenses operating expenses for the June 30th quarter, going forward over the next several quarters, that number, those operating expenses will be significantly less Then $12,600,000 Again, we advanced the programs, we hit some milestones, you're going to have some greater expenses, there's always going to be some timing issues in that regard. Speaker 200:06:47Let me move over to the cash flows. Palatin's net cash used in operations for the quarter ended June 30, 2023 was $9,600,000 Compared to net cash used in operations of $7,700,000 for the same period in 2022. Again, same reason as I just addressed above, We had some greater expenses due to the advancement of the programs, which is a positive thing, hitting some milestones that hit in the June 30th quarter. Palatin's net cash used in operations for the fiscal year ended June 30, for the full fiscal year, was $28,400,000 Compared to net cash used in operations of $29,900,000 for the same period in 2022. The decrease in net cash used in operations, Which is not a significant amount was frankly due to a number of items including different spending levels for Vyleesi, but also we did recognize Some sales, some net operating losses to the state of New Jersey that generated over $4,000,000 of non dilutive financing. Speaker 200:07:50Finishing up on the financials with the net loss and the cash position. Palatin's net loss for the quarter, fiscal year ended June 30, 2023 was $10,700,000 Again, that was for the quarter and $27,700,000 for the year, respectively, compared to a net loss of $12,800,000 $36,200,000 respectively for the same periods in 2022. Regarding our cash position, as of June 30, 2023, Palatin's cash, cash equivalents and marketable securities We're approximately $11,000,000 plus $2,900,000 of accounts receivable. Those accounts receivables 100% good. All those funds have been received in the July August timeframe. Speaker 200:08:35And this compared to cash and cash equivalents Of $19,600,000 with $1,700,000 of accounts receivables as of March 31, 2023. You might say, hey, those accounts receivables went up a little bit. Well, we're selling more, All good. And based on our current operating plan, we believe that existing cash, cash equivalents and marketable securities and receivables Will be sufficient to fund currently anticipated operating expenses through calendar year 2023. Of note, I do want to Highlight that Palatin's audited financial statements for the year ended June 30, 2023 to be included in the annual report on Form 10 ks Does include an audit report from our independent registered public accounting firm, KPMG, that contains a going concern explanatory paragraph, which we have had for quite some time. Speaker 200:09:29With that said, I'm going to turn it back over to Karl to talk a bit more granular about our Exciting development and commercial programs. Speaker 100:09:38Carl? Thank you, Steve. Over the course of 2023, we've continued to successfully on our strategy to develop novel therapeutics based on activating the melanocortin system. As I stated previously, we are focused On establishing the melanocortin system as a target for safe and effective medicines to treat inflammatory and autoimmune diseases and to develop A pipeline of highly effective drugs with unparalleled safety. An important component of our strategy is to advance our understanding of the role of the melanocortin System and stress responses, inflammation and tissue repair. Speaker 100:10:09Our research efforts are being recognized with the numerous peer reviewed and scientific presentations by our Scientists and academic collaborators, our research efforts have allowed us to identify opportunities for novel innovative therapeutics to design better clinical trials And our key support for our business development activities. We have 3 active clinical programs based on melanocort and Agnus developed from our research efforts. We're very pleased, as Steve mentioned, to have completed patient enrollment in the PL-nine thousand six hundred and forty three MELODY-one Phase 3 study in dry eye disease and are working to deliver top line data before calendar year end. Our Phase 2 study evaluating oral PL-eight thousand one hundred and seventy seven, a selective melanocortin 1 receptor agonist in ulcerative colitis patients is on track to complete patient enrollment by calendar year end with the interim assessment data as early as calendar year end. BREAKOUT, our Phase 2 open label study in diabetic patients with kidney disease is also on track for top line data in the Q1 of 2024. Speaker 100:11:12Some of the additional highlights for the Q4 fiscal year end 2023 are as follows. On the commercial front, we are pleased with Vyleesi's quarter over quarter double digit increases across all value metrics. Notably, net product revenue increased 47% And prescription dispensed increased 16% over the prior quarter. We are excited that Vyleesi quarterly net product revenue continues to exceed Vyleesi As an extension of our commercial efforts in sexual dysfunction, we have developed As a treatment for men with erectile dysfunction that has failed current PD-five inhibitor therapy, tisaglimatide is the active ingredient in Vyleesi And phosphodiesterase V inhibitors or PD-five inhibitors are such drugs as Viagra, Cialis, VICR and these are the standard of care for men with erectile dysfunction. You may not be aware, but approximately 35% of men with erectile dysfunction fail or have an inadequate response to current treatments It represents a very large underserved market. Speaker 100:12:22The only treatment options for these patients are highly invasive such as penile injections or penile implants. We have previously conducted clinical trials showing the synergistic effects of combining bremelanotide with a PD-five inhibitor as a treatment for erectile dysfunction. The large market opportunity and our clinical work support commercial development of this novel formulation and we are planning to initiate clinical programs as early as the end of this year. Our ocular programs continue to make impressive advances. As we stated, MELODY-one It's fully enrolled and we expect data by year end. Speaker 100:12:58We are very excited by the emerging product profile for PL-nine thousand six hundred and forty three, Which is highly differentiated from current treatments for dry eye disease with excellent ocular tolerability, broad efficacy that we believe will make PL-nine thousand six hundred and forty three, the leading treatment for dry eye disease. We presented data from the analysis of the lead in population A VIMELITY-1 Phase 3 trial at the Annual Meeting of the Association For Research in Vision and Ophthalmology, also known as ARVO, Where PL-nine sixty three demonstrated broad efficacy and statistical significance, separation across multiple signs and symptoms of dry eye disease An excellent ocular tolerability and safety profile with no I repeat, no ocular adverse events. This analysis was extremely important, allowing us to confidently set the primary sign and symptom endpoints, the hierarchical ordering of secondary endpoints, The analytical methods and sample size for the double blind segment of MELODY-one. We are very excited about the data coming out and We've done everything we can to reduce the risk of this trial and are anticipating a very positive outcome. We also presented data at ARVO On PL-nine thousand five hundred and eighty eight, our melanocortin based treatment for glaucoma. Speaker 100:14:08In preclinical studies, PL-nine thousand five hundred and eighty eight showed competitive effects on reducing intraocular pressure With a single topical dose, with a magnitude of effect similar to the positive controls of tannoprost and timolol, which are some of the current treatments that are used, With effects lasting up to 24 hours. Importantly, we also have shown effects on optic nerve protection, which we think next generation treatments for glaucoma are going to need. So not only do we lower intraocular pressure with this compound, we actually protect the operative nerve. As we are preparing to advance this important program, have already initiated regulatory discussions with the FDA. Our research efforts also made significant advances with multiple presentations at scientific meetings, Publications in peer reviewed journals and our expertise in line of corticosteron's innovative clinical programs are supporting our business development activities. Speaker 100:14:58We have multiple ongoing discussions with potential partners for our programs and we remain optimistic that we will enter into 1 or more partnerships help advance some of these very exciting programs. As we look forward to fiscal 2024, we have significant opportunities to drive value. We have data coming from 3 clinical trials, initiation of 2 new clinical programs, continued Vyleesi growth and partnerships, Advances of Vyleesi by our South Korean and Chinese partners. Steve and I would like to thank you for listening to the Palatin 4th quarter fiscal year end 2023 conference call. You can find additional information on our science and clinical programs on our website, www.palatin.com, and you can find additional information on Vyleesi at the vyleesi.com website. Speaker 100:15:42Thank you. We will now open the call to questions. Operator00:15:47Thank you very much. At this time, we will be conducting a question and answer session. Thank you. Your first question is coming from Joe Pantginis Genis from H. C. Operator00:16:24Wainwright. Joe, your line is live. Speaker 300:16:27Hey, guys. Good morning. A couple of questions, if you don't mind. But first, best of luck with Consummating a Vyleesi transaction, I know it's highly anticipated as you continue to show good traction by not Doing that much on your end and having DTC actually show some good results. So best of luck with that. Speaker 300:16:46So first, On the 8,177 program, wanted to focus a little more on the upcoming data, which is, I think, anticipated around year end or maybe going into the beginning of the year. What level of data or what do you think you're going to be able to show us for that interim in UC patients? Speaker 100:17:04So yes, that's the Mary, endpoint data. So this is a 8 week treatment study, obviously active versus placebo. And we're looking primarily at a colonoscopy score, so an endoscopic score. So we're looking for grading. We're looking forward to see end of lesions also kind of lesions to decrease and show clear evidence of healing Based on the Mayo Endoscopic sub score. Speaker 300:17:32Got it. Got it. And then, Obviously, I mean going back to Vyleesi a little bit, but more for the combination that you recently announced and gave more details today with the PDE5 combination. Any more color regarding the design that you're looking at and what kind of enrollment expectations you might have be able to drive say rapid data. Speaker 100:17:56Sure. Kamli, so in the The study that we're anticipating conducting the drugs will be given in co administered, so they won't be the co formulation. What we're looking for in the study is to determine the right ratio of bremelanotide to the PD-five inhibitor for the failure patients. The co formulation would be used in the second in the follow-up study to that, where we can limit the number of combinations that we have to look at. So the study these studies involve very rapidly. Speaker 100:18:28We've got we'd probably have 2 clinical sites actually Philadelphia and New York. We're working with one of the advantages as we've had obviously a very long history of working in sexual dysfunction and ED as well. So as we reached back out to some of our key investigators, they were quite enthusiastic about conducting this study. As they pointed out to us, there hasn't been Innovation and RECOVER dysfunction in 30 years and these guys really don't have an alternative. So I would anticipate extremely rapid enrollment in the study. Speaker 300:19:01Okay, good. And then you know what, I will go back to Vyleesi by itself for a second. So look, I believe you guys have the wherewithal to be able To, like I said, consummate transactions because obviously, you've had the ex U. S. Deals as well already in place With upcoming news, as you alluded to, I guess, let me play the opposite side of the argument. Speaker 300:19:22Nothing in this world is guaranteed until things are signed. So on the other end of the spectrum, if you do not, say license it in the U. S, what potential plans or Scenarios would you entertain with regard to Vyleesi and what kind of potential investment you might or might not be considering? Speaker 200:19:44Well, it's thanks for that question there, Joe. Listen, we internally, we couldn't be many we couldn't be more pleased with The results, 6 consecutive quarters of double digit growth and but more importantly, we're not losing any money. In fact, we're making money on Vyleesi. We have a very limited infrastructure. Our plan is the targeted profitable growth and we're doing that. Speaker 200:20:09I mean, we got 1 point $8,000,000 of net sales, we anticipate that going up for the Q3 and the Q4. And it's at some point, if we don't pull the trigger And we have options. We 100% have options on pulling a trigger for a transaction for Vyleesi. It's always that balance Of the value now versus potentially the value later, there's many things that we could do to and we are considering, But we're trying to balance on it, well, if you do it something here now, how does that affect the potential transaction if it's going to be a quarter or 2 later? And a lot of that is around distribution expansion. Speaker 200:20:49We are not considering adding a sales force or feet on the ground, But there's many more outlets out there, especially around the telehealth, telemedicine, I. E. With Upscripts that would like to Distribute Vyleesi. So we are advancing those types of discussions. Those are things that we frankly, once we do the deal, we're transferring the product over to them for A certain price and they're selling it there. Speaker 200:21:17It doesn't it's not going to disrupt what we're doing right now. A lot of Those outlets utilize cash only basis, but it's really a market and a patient group that we are currently Not able to serve because of the way we're set up for the infrastructure and the spend. So to come back around, we have very significant We have multiple options that could generate significant value and increase revenue, but not one of them is going to result in us Spending money where we're not making money with Vyleesi. We've been making money on Vyleesi for the last several quarters and anything we do will continue in With that type of strategy. Speaker 300:22:02Got it. Appreciate the color guys. Operator00:22:06Thank you very much. Your next question is coming from Michael Higgins of Ladenburg Thalmann. Michael, your line is live. Speaker 400:22:15Thanks, Efra. Congrats, guys. Thanks for taking the question. Congrats on continued progress with Vyleesi and the rest of the pipeline. Just a follow-up with Vyleesi on the erectile dysfunction program. Speaker 400:22:27Joe is asking some smart questions about the trial. Just want to ask one more if I could on design, size, that type What you are able to share at this time or do you plan to wait until you start that program? Speaker 100:22:43So these are pretty straightforward studies. These are as I said, these are dosing studies that are designed to find the appropriate ratio In patients that have failed PD5 inhibitor therapy, you'll be looking at static dose of the PD5 inhibitor With increasing doses of bremelanotide on top of that in patients that have failed PD-five inhibitor therapy. So There's no trick to these studies. They're pretty straightforward. The way the matrix that we use to measure efficacy are well established. Speaker 100:23:21So these studies, as I said, they enroll very quickly and there's lots of patients out there. Keep in mind, we've also had some discussions with potential third parties around this and there's a high interest here. There are a lot of companies as you are aware That are distributing PD5 inhibitors on a cash basis. Many of those companies have now added reimbursement, insurance reimbursement and they're looking For new product in the ED space. So this is one where I would expect that we would be able to transact relatively early in its development front. Speaker 400:23:57That's fair. We'll take a look at the other Phase 2 that have been done. It's been many, many years, but we'll give us some sense for it. It sounds like you've got some bromelainotide and PDE5 inhibitor combination data. If so, what are your plans to share that? Speaker 100:24:13Well, those are published. That data is published. It's out in the public domain. You can find it. Speaker 400:24:20I see. Right. I have those. Speaker 100:24:22I was thinking about additional There are additional publications by 3rd party groups, not Palatin, that have looked at Monotherapy, for example, of bremelanotide in PD-five inhibitor failure showing that a significant percentage, a third of the patients that fail PD-five immunotherapy can be rescued on myelotherapy alone. So there's a very strong precedent here. And I think this is a program that in our mind Represents has a very low clinical risk. You have FDA approved agents that are Obviously, the PD-five inhibitors work. Obviously, we know they work in men and we've shown we've treated almost 2,500 men With retinal dysfunction with bremelanotide. Speaker 100:25:06So I think there's very strong clinical precedence here. And more importantly, there's a very high medical need here. Mean a lot of these there's a lot of men out there that just don't have other options. So we like it from the standpoint, I think both the commercial side and the development side are relatively low risk. Speaker 400:25:22Yes. That looks great. So we'll refer to that again in our notes. But another exciting program Coming up here might be in obesity, considering it's a monocortin target that you have for your pipeline. Any update or feedback for us on interest in the obesity space? Speaker 100:25:45I'll just say Steve is looking at me, he's giving me a glare. I want to say a few things there. Many of you of course know we've had a very strong interest in obesity because in part Many of the people that may be listening to this are a little bit younger and I've been around as long as we have. The monoclonal 4 receptor is probably the first Validated target for obesity treatment and many of most of the larger companies did have programs looking for small molecules. And unfortunately, it's a very difficult target for small molecules, but a very good one for peptides. Speaker 100:26:14I know, Michael, you're aware you cover setmelanotide, the rhythm product. We have published on 2 studies that we conducted with bremelanotide showing very nice weight loss Using premilatinib in obese patients. We also had a very nice collaboration with AstraZeneca for a number of years. So we have a tremendous experience And the role of the miticortin system in regulating food intake and obesity with excellent compounds, Good insight on how to develop small molecules. So, we're quite excited about the current growth in that marketplace. Speaker 100:26:52And There is a coming attraction. There are there's an obesity week coming up in a couple of weeks. I'm sure you're well aware of that. And so I would just say stay tuned. Speaker 400:27:03Definitely, I'll be down there in Dallas for that. So look forward to that. Question for you, last one and I can can jump back in the queue or keep going, you'll let me know. But one last one here for now anyway, it's on by Lizzie. Listen to your comments on the program and your Conversation Steve with Joe about where to go with this. Speaker 400:27:21And it occurs to me that with successful advancement in erectile dysfunction, you could market this The only drug for cyclodysfunction in both men and women. That would be unique. That would get a lot of attention. Any thoughts about hanging out of the program a bit longer at least through Some Phase 2 data with the combination study. Speaker 100:27:43Since you brought the topic up about For sexual dysfunction, there are also clinicians that are prescribing it for men that have other types of sexual dysfunction, sexual dysfunction due to SSRI use, Well, desire to do stress factors and other things, I think works very well in those. And there may be some upcoming data at a meeting About that in the near future. So I personally believe that this will be the more treatable with male and female sexual dysfunction. Speaker 200:28:12So let me just jump in also Michael in that listen, we couldn't be any more excited with the results we've had and some of the things that we're not When you elaborate on today on where we think with the right investment, very significant normative value for both patients And different types of patients, albeit the pre, the post and the mail that you're referencing. So 100% we're analyzing and assessing that. And we have to balance that with, okay, you have several potential transactions that you could maybe move forward with. And even if you feel that strongly, and we do, we think there is a lot of value there. The longer we keep Vyleesi and we keep having these results, the more value got to get in the future. Speaker 200:29:00But we also have to balance it and being realistic. This is a tough landscape, right? We're a small biotech company And we're getting into cash those cash numbers where we may have to do something over the next several quarters. And the dilutive financing for some deals out there are not pretty. And we're not going to do Some of those deals that are being done. Speaker 200:29:27I'm not trying to blow it down or judge anybody else. There are different factors that they take into account, But we are not going to be doing some of those deals that Speaker 100:29:38are being done that I Speaker 200:29:39don't think a company can recover from. So with that, we have to balance, Hey, I have a non dilutive financing. And no matter what, it's going to be a good deal. But timing is a significant factor for us and we do take into account the market landscape regarding raising funds. A quick pause on that after the Coke and the hot dog, that's not the only potential collaboration that we have that could happen. Speaker 200:30:08And I'm not just Moving away from Vyleesi, which we have a lot of confidence in. Dry eye disease, we have obviously the data is coming out. We're hoping for that nice Christmas present and the holidays there. But our other programs have interest. And that's also something a lot of times the more the further you take your program, as long as everything's working well, safety, efficacy, tolerability, those types of things, More than likely the greater value you're going to get, but you have to balance where your company is and doing what's right for the shareholders regarding Non dilutive versus dilutive financing, but I want to be clear, we do have other interest. Speaker 200:30:49Carl and I try to talk to as many people as we can, where think it was either you or Joe asked about the 8,177 yellow cystic colitis endpoints. Listen, these endpoints, This is based on a lot of conversation, not just for KOLs, but companies that would be interested. It's a nice way you start with, hey, if we get the 1st base, Do you care, right? And we've changed the protocol based on that type of feedback and that was both with the dry eye disease and also with the ulcerative colitis. But to be clear, we have multiple That's on the goal for cash flow coming in 100 percent separate than a potential equity raise. Speaker 400:31:28That's great feedback. Thank you. If I may, speaking of the earlier pipeline programs And cash as well. You've talked about 9,643 starting another indication possibly by year end. It doesn't sound like that's going to happen. Speaker 400:31:44I just want to I'll bring that one up. Is that still Sure. Speaker 100:31:48So Michael, we were in the ocular space, we are following up with a separate compound for glaucoma. That would be the next ocular program that pending resources obviously we would take forward. We've already started outreach to the FDA on what a trial design would look like, some of the preclinical things we would need And we'll have that feedback before year end. So we would tend to go there, in part because Our goal in 9,643 coming out of the Melodi 1 would really be to look for a partnership. So obviously in the partnership, We take all of the opportunity for PL-nine thousand six hundred and forty three will be taken up by that partnership. Speaker 100:32:29So that's why we've held back on some of the things we could do there. And really we're focusing on glaucoma and also back of the eye with 9,654, which we didn't talk about, but there's tremendous interest in Our retinal programs, even though they're preclinical, they do represent a novel mechanism and many people don't Many investors don't follow the scientific literature, the posters and the things we've been presenting there, but the data is quite really quite exciting on how this The melanocortin mechanism works to protect the back of the eye from damage and that really feeds into both retinal and glaucoma. So that's why we're very I mean there's not a product out there for glaucoma for example that can lower intraocular pressure and provide neuroprotection which is really what's needed. So when we think about how we choose these programs, we do want to make sure these products are well differentiated from what's out there in the marketplace And they have opportunity to become the leading products in their category. Speaker 400:33:29Yes, I would very much agree. We get back to the I programs. Question we had coming into this, I'll dovetail off of DASDA 9,580. I think you're looking to have an IND cleared by year end, But you're also working with your subcu formulation. Any update for us on that? Speaker 400:33:46And maybe that's bumping into 9,654, but Speaker 100:33:50So we go through it. So 9,580 for glaucoma is topical administration. There, again, The progression of these types of programs are purely resource dependent, right? There's no we have no impediment to moving that product forward. The data is sufficient. Speaker 100:34:09The activities that we need are beginning to occur. It's a matter of, as Steve was saying, in a tough landscape, we do have to balance out we Balance out. But I think we'll be successful in what we're doing. So I think the cash will take care of itself. Speaker 400:34:27I appreciate all the feedback guys. Thank you. Operator00:34:32Thank you very much. We don't appear to have any further questions in the queue. I will now hand back over to Karl for any closing comments. Speaker 100:34:43Yes. I'd like to thank all of you for participating in the Palatin Q4 fiscal year end 2023. I think through our presentation and I think the hopefully eliminating questions from the analysts, I think you've gotten a good flavor of the depth Of what Palatin can deliver from a valuation standpoint. And I know there can always be frustration and disconnects Between valuation and opportunity, particularly when we deal with microcap companies, but we certainly believe we're undervalued and we certainly are going to be working hard to correct that. And we believe we have all the right things in place to do that. Speaker 100:35:18So thank you. Look forward to continue update you guys and have a great day. And thank you on behalf of Steve and myself and all the employees of Paladin. Operator00:35:29Thank you very much. This does conclude today's conference call. You may disconnectRead morePowered by