Old National Bancorp Q4 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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January 23, 2024

There are 11 speakers on the call.

Operator

Welcome to the Old National Bancorp 4th Quarter and Full Year 2023 Earnings Conference Call. This call is being recorded and has been made accessible to the public in accordance with the SEC's Regulation FD. Corresponding presentation slides can be found on the Investor Relations page atoldnational.com and will be archived there for 12 months. Management would like to remind everyone that certain statements on today's call may be forward looking in nature and are subject to certain risks, uncertainties and other factors that could cause actual results or outcomes to differ from those discussed. The company refers you to its forward looking statement legend in the earnings release and presentation slides.

Operator

The company's risk factors are fully disclosed and discussed within its EC Filings. In addition, certain slides contain non GAAP measures, which management believes provide more appropriate comparisons. These non GAAP measures are intended to assist investors' understanding of performance trends. Reconciliations for these numbers are contained within the appendix of the presentation. I'd now like to turn the call over to Old National's CEO, Jim Ryan, for opening remarks.

Operator

Mr. Ryan?

Speaker 1

Good morning. Old National reported strong 4th quarter and record full year results earlier this morning. During 2023, we successfully navigated a challenging interest rate environment along with industry wide liquidity pressures earlier in the year. At Old National, executing our basic banking strategy served us well. In fact, our 2023 adjusted EPS, Return on average tangible common equity and efficiency ratio were the best in our nearly 190 year history.

Speaker 1

Tangible book value per share also grew by 17% year over year, combined with our roughly 3.7% average dividend yield gave shareholders a strong return for the year. Our peer leading deposit franchise, disciplined loan growth, strong credit quality and well managed expenses and dedicated team members who are committed to our clients and communities drove these outstanding results. While many in our industry spent the year on defense, we remain on the offense by continuing to invest in new client facing and key support talent and being ready and opportunistic for acquisitions as evidenced by our recently announced CapStar Bank partnership, which will expand our franchise to the highly dynamic markets of Nashville, broader Tennessee and Asheville, North Carolina. I will share more details about our progress with the strategic partnership later in my comments. Starting on Slide 5, GAAP earnings for the year were $1.94 and adjusted EPS was a record of $2.05 per common share, representing a 5% increase year over year.

Speaker 1

Our adjusted return on average tangible common equity and efficiency ratio were records At 21.3% 50.4%, respectively, adjusted ROA was a strong 1.28%. Moving to Slide 6, we reported GAAP earnings for the Q4 of $0.44 per common share. Our adjusted EPS was $0.46 per common share and our adjusted results included higher than run rate cost related to a true up of the accrual For the annual short term incentive plan and additional tax credit amortization for the quarter, when combined resulted in after tax adjustment of approximately $7,000,000 or $0.02 of earnings per share impact. Returning to our CapStar partnership, we have filed our regulatory application and announced an additional one point $2,000,000,000 investment in Tennessee as a part of our existing community growth plan. As we spend time with our new team members, We are even more excited about our partnership.

Speaker 1

Our existing team in Nashville was already off to a great start and we're seeing many new client acquisition opportunities from that team, which will only build as we close on our partnership. We still expect to close in the first half of the year. In summary, our 2023 EPS results Proved more durable than most peers in a challenging year due to relentless focus on the basics, growing core deposits, consistent and strong underwriting, disciplined expense management and ample capital. Brendan will provide you with our official 2024 outlook at the end of his prepared remarks. But as I look forward, It's difficult to predict what the year will bring.

Speaker 1

Predictions range from a few rate cuts to more than a handful from a soft landing to something more severe. Regardless of what transpires, we have entered 2024 in a strong position by continuing to execute on our basic banking strategy And we are set up to be successful in whatever comes our way as we have for the past 190 years. I would like to recognize Mike Scudder. As planned, Michael retires Executive Chairman of Old National Bancorp at the end of January. I want to thank Mike for his combined 38 years of outstanding leadership and dedication to First Midwest and Old National.

Speaker 1

His contributions to the Board and me personally were invaluable as we completed our transformational partnership and successfully navigated the last 2 years. Thank you. I will now turn the call over to Brendan to cover the quarterly results in more detail.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Jim. Beginning on slide 7, we present our 4th quarter balance sheet, which highlights improvements in both liquidity and capital positions. Our 4th quarter core deposit growth has allowed us to organically fund loan growth and continue to reduce wholesale borrowings and broker deposits. We ended the year with a strong CET1 ratio of 10.7% and we continue to accrete capital at a faster pace than most through the combination of our better than peer return profile and our at peer payout ratio. Tangible book value per share grew 11% quarter over quarter and 17% year over year due to strong earnings and a 24% improvement in AOCI.

Speaker 2

Overall improvements in our liquidity and capital levels allowed us to stay on the offense in 2023 and our Q4 performance only strengthens our position as we begin in 2024. On slide 8, we present the trend in total loan growth and portfolio yields. Total loans grew in line with our expectations And we remain focused on full relationships and structure at a price that meets our risk adjusted return requirements. The investment portfolio increased during the quarter largely due to changes in fair values. Please note that we did a small loss trade on $41,000,000 of securities with an earn back inside of 1 year.

Speaker 2

Moving to Slide 9, we show our trend in total deposits, which were stable quarter over quarter, including $340,000,000 of normal seasonal public fund outflows and a $164,000,000 decrease in broker deposits. Our broker deposits as a percentage of total deposits is now 2.7%, which is well below peers. We experienced strong growth in both personal and business accounts, largely through CD and money market promotions. New checking account acquisition was strong and continues to outpace attrition. However, migration to higher yielding products continues to impact the growth in this category.

Speaker 2

We are still experiencing upward pressure on deposit rates, But we have seen a marked deceleration in deposit costs in the quarter and into January. Total deposit costs for the month of December was 190 basis points, only 5 basis points higher than our Q4 average. Overall, we are exceptionally pleased with the execution of our deposit strategy that has led to above peer deposit growth at below peer costs. Slide 10 provides our quarter end income statement. We reported GAAP net income applicable to common shares of $128,000,000 or $0.44 per share.

Speaker 2

Reported earnings include the following pretax items: $21,600,000 gain on the sale of Visa Class B Shares as well as a $19,100,000 charge for the FDIC special assessment, $6,000,000 in merger related charges and a $4,000,000 contract termination charge. Excluding these items, our adjusted earnings per share was $0.46 Moving on to slide 11, we present details of our net interest income and margin. As expected, deposit repricing led to modest declines in both net income and margin. New loan production rates of 7.72 percent and marginal funding costs in the low 4% range support our expectation that net interest income should bottom out in Q1. Slide 12 shows trends in adjusted non interest income, which was $79,000,000 for the quarter.

Speaker 2

All of our primary fee businesses performed as expected with seasonally lower mortgage revenue. Continuing to Slide 13, showed the trend in adjusted non interest expenses, which were generally in line with our Q3 guidance, excluding $10,000,000 of year to date performance driven incentive accrual true up and $5,000,000 in higher amortization of tax credit investments. Our 2023 incentive plan was tied to deposit costs and growth relative to our mid sized peers. Our outperformance in both these categories was critical to our record year and ultimately drove the higher incentive. The tax credit amortization charge was due to timing of project completion with the corresponding offset in tax expense.

Speaker 2

While both these items are within core earnings, we obviously do not expect them to run right into Q1. On Slide 14, we present our credit trends, which remained stable, reflecting the quality of both our commercial and consumer portfolios. Delinquency and non performing loan ratios are largely unchanged. Non PCD net charge offs were a low 3 basis points with PCD charge offs of 9 basis points. Our Q4 allowance, including reserve for unfunded commitments, was unchanged at 103 basis points, and there were no material changes to our model assumptions And the waiting on the Moody's F3 scenario remains at 100%.

Speaker 2

On Slide 15, we provide a comprehensive overview of our capital position at the end of the quarter. We observed improvements in all regulatory capital ratios and an 11% increase in our TCE ratio, driven by strong earnings and assisted by in AOCI. Following our 24% recovery in Q4, we anticipate an additional 20% of our outstanding AOCI to accrete to capital by the end of 2024. In summary, we are very pleased with our Q4 and full year performance in what was a challenging year for our industry. 2023 proved to be a record year in a number of critical performance metrics, including adjusted EPS, return on tangible common equity and efficiency ratio.

Speaker 2

We have improved the efficiency of our balance sheet with strong core deposit growth, which has led to better funding mix and better than expected net interest income. We continue to demonstrate our ability to expand our customer base while maintaining peer leading deposit costs. Our strong liquidity also positions us well to take advantage of new lending opportunities. The credit portfolio remains stable And our disciplined approach to managing expenses is evident in our full year adjusted efficiency ratio of 50.4%. Slide 16 includes additional detail on our rate risk position and net interest income guidance.

Speaker 2

NII is expected to fall approximately 2% in Q1, remained flat in Q2 and then begin to increase in the back half of the year. The assumptions are all listed on the slide, but I would highlight a few of the primary drivers. First, we assume 3 rate cuts in the back half, consistent with the Fed guidance. 2nd, we are anticipating additional late cycle deposit repricing will give us a terminal beta of 39% by mid year and a non interest bearing deposit mix that falls to 24% by year end. Lastly, we assume the closing of our CapStar partnership at the end of Q2.

Speaker 2

We believe we have positioned the balance sheet well as we approach the end of this rate cycle with most of the work to achieve a neutral rate risk position behind us. Also, we did run a forward curve scenario, including 6 rate cuts, and the result was not materially different from our 3 rate cut scenario. Slide 17 includes thoughts on our outlook for the remaining items for the Q1 and full year 2024, and all guidance assumes CapStar closes at the end of Q2. Believe our current loan pipeline should support 1st quarter growth in the 1% to 2% range and full year growth of 12% to 13%. We anticipate continued success in the execution of our deposit strategy and expect to meet or exceed the industry growth in 2024.

Speaker 2

We expect Q1 non interest income to be consistent with Q4 with the full year up 6% to 7% with the typical seasonal patterns. Our expense outlook for the Q1 should be approximately $248,000,000 modestly higher than our Q4 base of $240,000,000 which excludes the incentive true up and tax credit impact. For the full year, we expect expenses just over $1,000,000,000 Net charge offs are expected to range between 15 to 20 basis points and provision expense should be approximately $80,000,000 to $85,000,000 for the full year of 2024. This excludes the day 1 non PCD double count associated with the acquisition. Turning to taxes, we expect both a Q1 and full year effective tax rate of approximately 25% on a core FTE basis and 22% on a GAAP basis.

Speaker 2

With those comments, I'd like to open up the call for your questions. We do have the full team available, including Mark Sander, Jim Sandgren, and John Moran.

Operator

Our first question will come from the line of Scott Siefers with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.

Speaker 3

Good morning, everybody. Thanks for taking the question.

Speaker 4

Good morning, Scott. Good to hear from you.

Speaker 3

You too. You too. Thank you. Brendan, I wanted to ask you about some of the nuance in the NII. So it looks like I actually dropped in the Q1, which is great.

Speaker 3

Maybe I was hoping you could discuss some of the puts and takes. Obviously, day count becomes a factor in the Q1, but Maybe sort of the interplay with how the margin fits in there. And then I think that you said margin might expand In the second half, if I heard that correctly, maybe just some thoughts as we go forward.

Speaker 5

Sure, Scott. Yes. So we're looking at approximately a 10 basis point decline in net interest margin into Q1 levels off from there and probably grows a little in the back half. Obviously, as we get 3 rate cuts since we position the balance sheet Accordingly, we don't think we'll get a lot of impact from or negative impact from rate cuts in the back half and then we get the benefit of all the fixed asset repricing and the growth, both organic and from CapStar in the back half of twenty twenty four.

Speaker 3

Perfect. And then I guess along the lines of sort of underlying loan growth, you've got the 4% to 6% expectation. Maybe just some thoughts on how that evolves through the year. Industry trends have, of course, been pretty soft, but I think you guys have gotten At least your fair share, if not a little more of any opportunities that are out there. So maybe just sort of your thoughts on how things trend including demand through the year?

Speaker 6

I think you summarized it well, Scott. I mean, as much as loan demand has slowed somewhat, customers are still feeling okay. C and I clients are, I would say, cautiously optimistic for 2024. Financials are holding up well. Employment levels are keeping consumer spending at solid levels.

Speaker 6

And but again, I think that most of them think growth is going to slow a little bit in 2024. And CRE activity, of course, slowed into last year, as expected and as we guided to, but it's begun to pick up a little bit. Competitors are getting more active and as much as that still has to play out, there is rents are holding up well in the segments that were active in multifamily and industrial.

Speaker 3

Perfect. Okay, good. Thank you guys very much.

Speaker 6

Thanks, Scott.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Terry McEvoy with Stephens. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Thanks. Good morning, everybody. Maybe first question. Hi. Could you maybe expand on the $5,000,000,000 of time deposits repricing over the next year?

Speaker 7

I'm seeing kind of brokered CDs were over 5, other times were just below 4, and it looks like the 7 month promo is about 4.75. So what are your underlying Yes.

Speaker 5

So a lot of these CDs, I'm going to say 87% not almost, but exactly 87% of our time deposits will mature within the next 12 months, I think you have the weighted average rate really close in that four handle. And so we have the opportunity to reprice a bulk of these CDs lower throughout the year. In fact, the re pricing characteristics actually have gives an opportunity to re price those most of those early in the first half of twenty twenty.

Speaker 7

And then maybe just stepping out of the model for a bit, Jim, we're hearing the word scale More and more from banks with assets, call it over $100,000,000,000 or over $250,000,000,000 So my question is, how are you thinking about scale as a $50,000,000,000 bank and your ability to compete with community banks as well as the larger banks?

Speaker 4

Terry, I really think we're in a sweet spot. We're big enough to be relevant and compete for almost any client situation in the markets we serve. We're not so big that we get in our own way sometimes. As you get bigger, we know that happens. We're close to our clients.

Speaker 4

We're nimble. We're fast. We're opportunistic. We can reach out and touch our clients and touch our team members on a regular basis. I really like the size we're at today.

Speaker 4

And given where we're operating on efficiency ratio basis, I think we're operating fairly efficiently. So I'm really happy with where we're at and don't see any need to do anything dramatically different than where we're at today.

Speaker 7

Great. Thanks for taking my questions.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Terry. Good to hear

Speaker 1

from you. Hope you're staying warm.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Chris McGratty with KBW. Please go ahead.

Speaker 8

Great. Good morning.

Speaker 4

Good morning, Chris.

Speaker 8

Maybe a question on credit. You still have a 5% PCD mark from First and West. How should we be thinking about portfolios that you're maybe watching a little bit more closely going into 2024? Any derisking or exits or tweaking that needs to happen and just kind of broader credit commentary? Thanks.

Speaker 3

We feel good about where

Speaker 6

we are with credit certainly, Chris. This is Mark. We saw a little Further modest risk rate of migration in Q4, but consistent with a little bit of a slowdown and more limited growth. I mean, we feel good about where our portfolio is at. There's certainly areas we're watching more closely, obviously, CRE office like everyone and that will remain to be play out.

Speaker 6

Senior housing is something that is slowly recovering, but the portfolio quality there, we feel really good about. So No real changes in our underwriting, and feel real good about where we're at.

Speaker 8

Great. Thanks. And then maybe Brandon, a question just on the balance sheet. How do we think about maybe adding bonds at this point to reduce more rate sensitivity, just overall size of earning assets

Speaker 5

Yes, yes, yes. Great question. So I think there's some opportunities and work to do on a rate position that will include likely some reinvestment of cash flows in the invest portfolio and probably adding some floating rate debt to offset. So I think that would enhance our rate risk position and not have a negative impact on net interest income.

Speaker 8

Okay. But just beyond the maturing cash flows of the bond book, will the bond book grow in an absolute basis or just

Speaker 5

No, no. Not expected to grow, but I do think we'll start

Speaker 9

Jim, I can I don't know, I guess I'll speak for Terry and say we're both cold up here in Maine?

Speaker 4

I appreciate. We'll try to stay warm.

Speaker 9

I just wanted to ask on the running on the nuances of the deposit beta commentary, so we're going to peak at 39%. Is that happening in 1Q? And then the declining to a total data of the low 20s by 4Q 2024, feels a bit more conservative than what Some of your larger peers have kind of outlined in terms of talking about pretty aggressive down betas within their NII guide. I guess what makes you feel more conservative when you talk about your beta?

Speaker 5

Yes, sure. I'll answer the first part of that first. So, we think our deposit beta peaks on the up cycle, not so 2Q, although kind of A very slight modest kind of quarter over quarter impact in total deposit costs from 1Q to 2Q in our model. On the back half, we didn't go up a tie. We have 35% of our book as exception price.

Speaker 5

We think we can drive a really strong beta down on that side. But I also think deposits are still really valuable and we got to be pay attention to maintaining and continuing to grow deposits to continue to take advantage of lending opportunities. And I think that probably informs the more conservative guide on the way down.

Speaker 3

Okay, got it.

Speaker 9

And I wanted to also ask on the securities. Could you remind us, I think you have Over $1,000,000,000 in securities that are set to mature and reprice in 2024. Would you on kind of running those down and using it to fund the good loan growth that you've talked about in the guidance?

Speaker 5

I think a little bit of a mix, Brody. Certainly, we will start to reinvest some of the cash flows off that book and that will come at a positive spread about 150 basis points. And we'll see how the rest of the year plays out. A lot of that's dependent on our ability to continue to grow deposits well and then ultimately the loan demand.

Speaker 9

Got it. And if I could just sneak one more in, the $2,500,000,000 of balance sheet edges that you have, Just to clarify, are those is that just on the loan book? And then do you have any maturities of swaps occurring in 2024 or 5 that are meaningful that we need to be aware about?

Speaker 5

Yes. So it's a mix on both the Inves portfolio and on our loans. We don't have a ton maturing. We actually had the duration of these put pretty far out as we were trying to we didn't want to be too precise on the timing of expectation around rate cuts. So we have some past no major maturities or anything rolling off of significance there and probably some more work to do before we're done with the year.

Speaker 3

Okay, great. Thank you very much.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Brody.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Jon Arfstrom with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Speaker 10

Thanks. Good morning, everyone.

Speaker 4

Good morning, John.

Speaker 10

A couple of follow ups. By the way, Slide 16 is really good. That's a great slide. Terry took one of the questions on CD repricing, but you talk about exception pricing on 30% of your deposits. Has that eased At all?

Speaker 10

Is that just a product of last spring or early summer? Is that persistent?

Speaker 5

That's been fairly persistent. We continue to go out there. We've been unapologetically aggressive in gathering new deposits. So that's creeped up a little bit every quarter. And we'll continue to be aggressive, although we can do that at marginally lower rates in this environment than we have over the last couple of quarters.

Speaker 5

We think that exception price or marginal cost will be a little lower than it has been. But that yes, that's been a big part of our success this year.

Speaker 10

Okay. Okay. Slide 19, you talk about your commercial real estate maturing inside of 18 months. And just a small bit of it is, you've got that 4% demarcation line, I understand that. But what is the message here On credit, is it that we're going to see some incremental NPLs as this stuff gets repriced and reworked or you're just You're not seeing that at this point in time?

Speaker 6

We're not seeing this a bit that at this point in time. I think, again, the CRE office still has some time to play out. So could you see some go to criticize and classify? Could you see that increase a little bit? Yes.

Speaker 6

But we don't We think we're ahead of identifying. We like to identify early and aggressively take action. I think that's what we continue to do. So we're just Trying to size up kind of where some of the risks are, we think they're very manageable.

Speaker 10

Okay, good. And then if I can add one more, just Jim, Anything on CapStar, anything new to report or updates? And just you put out a date, I know that's difficult, but just confidence level in putting that date out for a close. Thanks.

Speaker 4

We feel really good, where we stand today, both in terms of the people and the client opportunities. I mean every time we're with our team members, both the existing team members and our new team members, we just feel really good about the opportunities. And I do think some of that growth we're going to experience is going to come out of places like Nashville, Detroit, Kansas City, St. Louis. We've got new team members that we've hired in the last handful of years did to continue to execute and create new opportunities for us that just weren't available to us in the past.

Speaker 4

With respect to the regulatory applications, we feel feel really good about that. We're in constant dialogue with the regulators. We obviously announced our addendum to our existing community growth plan, which we thought was an important step as a part of the process to get to the finish line here. So I mean, it's hard to always predict when you're going to get approval for these things. But nonetheless, we feel really good about where we stand at this point in time.

Speaker 4

And more importantly, I just think Nashville, Tennessee, the Asheville location will continue to represent a great opportunity for us to grow and probably contribute In the future, in a much more meaningful level than even a typical partnership of this size would contribute.

Speaker 10

Yes. Okay. You've got some new Investor Day potential locations as well.

Speaker 8

I like it. All right. Thank you.

Speaker 4

Thanks, John.

Operator

There are no further questions at this time. I'd like to turn the call back to Jim Ryan for closing remarks.

Speaker 4

Well, as always, we appreciate your support And feedback and the entire team will be available to follow-up on any questions you might have. Thank you very much.

Operator

This concludes Old National's call. Once again, a replay along with the presentation slides will be available for 12 months on the Investor Relations page of Old 2030 access code 5,258,325. This replay will be available through February 6. If anyone has additional questions, please contact Lonnel Dierkols at 812-464-1366.

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