Concentrix Q4 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • Concentrix delivered record Q4 results with 36% revenue growth (3.5% pro forma constant currency) and non-GAAP operating income and adjusted EBITDA up 37% and 40% respectively.
  • Free cash flow rose 8% for FY 2023, enabling nearly $300 million of gross debt reduction since the Webhelp combination and net leverage down to 3.0× adjusted EBITDA.
  • Integration of the Webhelp business is progressing on schedule, with over 30,000 staff migrated, cost synergies on track for $75 million in year one, and early cross-selling wins from combined capabilities.
  • Investments in proprietary and partner solutions—NextCX, ConnectCX GenAI upgrade, TrainingCX, and SmartSuite—are deployed at scale to boost agent productivity, automate processes, and improve metrics like AHT and NPS.
  • FY 2024 guidance of 1–3% pro forma constant currency revenue growth reflects continued headwinds in retail, travel and consumer electronics, along with a 70-basis-point FX drag.
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Earnings Conference Call
Concentrix Q4 2023
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There are 7 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Concentrix Fiscal 4th Quarter 2023 Financial Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded.

Operator

I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker for today, David Stein. Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Lisa, and good evening. Welcome to the Concentrix 4th Quarter Fiscal 2023 Earnings Call. This call is the property of Concentrix and may not be recorded or rebroadcast without the written permission of Concentrix. This call contains forward looking statements that address our expected future performance and that by their nature address matters that are uncertain. These uncertainties may cause our actual future results to be materially different than those expressed in our forward looking statements.

Speaker 1

We do not undertake to update our forward looking statements as a result of new information or future expectations, events or developments. Please refer to today's earnings release and our most recent filings with the SEC for additional information regarding uncertainties that could affect our future financial results. This includes the risk factors provided in our annual report on Form 10 ks and in our other public filings with the SEC. Also during the call, we will discuss non GAAP financial measures, including free cash non GAAP operating income, non GAAP operating margin, adjusted EBITDA, adjusted EBITDA margin, non GAAP net income, non GAAP EPS and constant currency revenue growth. A reconciliation of these non GAAP measures is available in the news release and on the company Investor Relations website under Financials.

Speaker 1

With me on the call today are Chris Caldwell, our President and Chief Executive Officer and Andre Valentine, our Chief Financial Officer. Chris will provide a summary of our operating performance and growth strategy, and Andre will cover our financial results and business outlook. Then we'll open the call for your questions. Now, I'll turn the call over to Chris.

Speaker 2

Thank you very much, David. Hello, everyone, and thank you for joining us today for our 4th quarter fiscal year 2023 earnings call. It was an incredibly exciting year in which we believe we made the right investments and focused on strengthening our fundamentals. We are excited about the opportunities that are in front of us now with a larger footprint, expanded marquee client base and more business with the ability to deliver advanced technical solutions at scale. Our 2023 revenue increased 12.5% on an as reported basis, including approximately 9% from Web Health.

Speaker 2

We are excited about the cross selling traction that already started in the 4th quarter that while small had clients from either side of the combination generating revenue that neither company would have been able to participate in prior to coming together. On a non GAAP basis, our operating income increased 14.2% and our adjusted EBITDA margin was up 30 basis points to 16.6%. We were very pleased with our free cash flow increasing 8% for the year. Throughout 2023, We also made great progress in evolving our solution offerings by developing multiple new intellectual property initiatives for both internal and external consumption that will allow us to be more integrated into client environments while also reducing our operating costs. A few examples of these initiatives include our internally developed Next CX product allowing our game changers to be more productive by automating tasks with built in AI and is now deployed more than 220,000 desktops, hitting our goal we mentioned in Q3 of deploying to approximately 80% of our legacy operations.

Speaker 2

We continue to expand the deployment of ConnectCX across our new footprint and intend to upgrade the platform to GenAI in the next two quarters. Our training CX suite has gone through a massive upgrade this year being rebuilt on GenAI and training over 100,000 game changers in 2023 is creating more intuitive and interactive engagement and accelerating their speech proficiency, a tool that has gained interest from clients to use in house based on our results. Our SmartSuite, which we just started to roll out, is almost up to 35,000 desktops. Through real time assistance, self coaching and faster access to personalized knowledge management, the set of technologies has delivered double digit improvements in key metrics like AHT and NPS, all built on GenAI. These internal tools are in addition to the external cloud and software partners we have used to deliver services to our clients.

Speaker 2

All these examples continue to demonstrate our focus on being a complete solutions company for our clients With a tech first mindset, which we believe differentiates us greatly from our peer CX competitors and allows us to deliver higher value services. In 2023, our innovation and complete automation of transactions or partial processes hit an all time high, which drives higher value to our clients and more efficiencies for us. Turning to the Q4, our team continued to deliver excellent service for our clients while making considerable progress with the initial integration of the Web Health business, which we'll talk about in a bit. We met several financial and operating in the Q4, which Andre will review in more detail, but at a high level revenue increased 36% as reported and grew over 3% on a pro form a constant currency basis in the quarter. We also delivered record 4th ordered non GAAP operating income and adjusted EBITDA up 37% 40% respectively.

Speaker 2

These improvements are as a result of solid growth in Europe, Asia and Latin America with increased movement to offshore and nearshore operations as well as continued delivery efficiencies, some delivered from the tools that I highlighted earlier. I'm also pleased that we continue to grow in each of our key verticals as well as in our Catalyst, B2B and specialized healthcare areas. We have invested in a new strategic and consultative set of seller capabilities that will allow us to deliver our Sell as One initiative, which focuses on selling complete end to end transformational solutions in larger enterprise deals With a sales pipeline that currently stands at over a $250,000,000 of annual contract value created all within Q4. Clients continue to appreciate both our advanced services and technologies and our extensive global reach. Our wins this quarter included a broad range of clients across verticals and delivery regions providing a full spectrum of services.

Speaker 2

A few examples of those wins, an international money transfer company experiencing Partner for high risk compliance operations. We are now providing anti money laundering and fraud prevention services for this client. The solution includes the European Center of Excellence with skilled experts and FinTech leadership. The second phase of this project will launch later this leveraging capabilities of the combined business including advanced technology from Catalyst and our Know Your Customer platform that came from Web Health. A premier mental health clinic faced the challenge of establishing consistent practices for customer access.

Speaker 2

We are providing a comprehensive solution involving a modern curriculum, cloud contact center services, our AnyPass solution, CRM integration and generative AI driven functionality. Our solution is streamlining processes, increasing efficiency in scheduling and referrals empowering the team to significantly enhance the overall customer experience in mental health. Another healthcare management company sought best in class capabilities and transformative solutions to navigate the complex system for assisting members with provider selection and insurance inquiries. Within 30 days, we started to integrate the technology stack, perform the CX assessment and quality assurance review. This is helping to revolutionize and evaluate overall member experiences for the client.

Speaker 2

Finally, an automotive manufacturer faced challenges managing multiple vendors. Our Catalyst team leveraged our intelligence operational capabilities for compliance and best practices and developed strategic IT services that implemented dashboards reporting and robotic analysis solutions. The solution marks a significant step forward towards their achieving higher efficiency and innovative automation within their business. Based on the reception from clients and our pipeline of opportunities that combine Concentrix Catalyst and our core CX operations, it is evident that our strategy is working. Our clients view the combination of deep domain expertise, Digitally enabled global delivery and our ability to invest in secure adaptable scalable technology as key differentiators.

Speaker 2

Our unique approach to intentionally infuse digital technologies and analytics continues to drive sales wins. Turning to our Web Health transaction, this marks a significant milestone in the evolution of our company. It is the beginning of a new chapter creating a global market leader with a world class platform for value creation. We now offer 1 of the most robust, well balanced global footprints in the industry. The combination of the 2 companies broaden our technology and AI solutions in multiple high value verticals, strengthening our end to end value proposition and adding significant New consulting, technology and operating capabilities in Europe, Latin America and Africa.

Speaker 2

The integration of the 2 companies is progressing smoothly and is contributing as anticipated. Throughout the quarter, we achieved significant integration milestones. Examples include the start of successful migration of over 30,000 new staff to our HR systems and starting the sales management practice and establishing the global leadership structure. We are thrilled with the talented staff and the strength of our combined execution. As I mentioned, we are already converting a growing pipeline for wins that neither company could have won without the other and we are on track to deliver the cost synergies we discussed when we announced the combination.

Speaker 2

Turning to fiscal 2024, in the Q1, we to make progress towards achieving our synergy targets for the combination as integration activities move forward. We expect to continue to convert and ramp synergy pipeline wins as well. For the full year, we expect revenue growth, profit improvement, strong cash generation and debt reduction. We also see 2024 being the year that GenAI will start to positively influence our revenue and margin in the later part of the year and into early 2025. While the specific timing of these advancements with AI and client adoption are still not entirely speedier, we are now confident in our ability to offer competitive solutions and see benefits from the technology.

Speaker 2

While our clients are taking time on their AI adoption, we're seeing tangible benefits with our own use cases and we'll continue to invest in these investments to make us more efficient and offer a higher level of service to our clients ahead of returns for the next few quarters. We see immense potential in the emerging technologies that can intelligently act customer intent to improve the customer experience and are building out new capabilities and services to take advantage of the market as it develops. Based on our conversations with clients and the proof of concepts we're currently working on, we continue to believe that GenAI will enhance the customer experience with human involvement 1st is completely automating work. Our current GenAI pipeline includes over 140 client engagements, while the majority of these projects revolve around proof of concepts, A few projects have transitioned to the run or managed services phase. The use cases that are gaining traction relate mostly to our technology allowing our game changers to be more productive and more personalized engagement specific to the end customers.

Speaker 2

A few relate to completely automated services replacing low value work while we generate more managed services type of revenue for supporting the technology and the environment. In summary, we have made great strides executing our strategy in 2023, making investments in acquired and organic growth a differentiated growth model that I believe will allow us to outperform in the market. We believe that 2024 will require continued investment to ensure we are ahead of the market for further GenAI deployments at scale. Finally, I want to acknowledge the collective strength of the team we've built and thank them all for their adaptability and commitment to execution in the evolving industry. Their dedication and hard work has positioned us as a formidable force in the market.

Speaker 2

I also want to thank our clients for their trust, our talented Board of Directors for their support and mentorship and our investors for the confidence in Concentrix. We look forward to an exciting year ahead the continued success of our company. Now, I will turn the call over to Andre. Andre?

Speaker 1

Thank you, Chris, and hello, everyone. I'll begin with a look at our financial results for the Q4 and then discuss our business outlook for fiscal year 2024. I'm pleased to report that our revenue and profitability metrics not only met but exceeded our Q4 guidance. Free cash flow also remains strong, allowing for substantial debt reduction in the 4th quarter. 4th quarter revenue was $2,230,000,000 which included $574,000,000 added by the Web Health business for the last 2 months of the quarter.

Speaker 1

We will not be separately reporting Web Health performance going forward as we are now managing the business on an integrated basis. On a pro form a basis, as if the WebHelp combination was completed at the beginning of the 4th quarter, Revenue for the quarter was $2,420,000,000 resulting in pro form a constant currency growth of approximately 3.5%. As anticipated, the contribution from the legacy business came in at the low end of our prior full year guide and the Web Health business contributed faster growth. Revenue increases with clients in our 4 strategic verticals more than offset some volume softness with a few clients. On a pro form a basis, revenue from retail, travel and e commerce clients grew 12% in the quarter.

Speaker 1

Pro form a revenue from banking, financial services and insurance clients grew 6%. Healthcare client revenue grew 5% on a pro form a basis. Revenue from technology and consumer electronics clients grew by 1% on a pro form a basis as growth with several clients was set by continued softer volumes with a large consumer electronics client. Continuing trends from earlier in the year, Pro form a revenue from communications and media clients decreased by 3% and revenue from clients in our other vertical decreased 6%. While we grew on a pro form a basis with 14 of our 20 largest clients, softer volumes with a handful of consumer electronics, retail, e commerce Communications clients remained a headwind.

Speaker 1

Turning to profitability, non GAAP operating income was $341,000,000 in the 4th quarter, up $93,000,000 compared with last year. Our non GAAP operating margin was 15.3%, up 20 basis points from the Q4 last year. Adjusted EBITDA was $398,000,000 up $113,000,000 compared with last year. Our adjusted EBITDA margin was 17.8%, up 40 basis points from last year. This margin progress reflects profit flow through on revenue growth, efficiency gains across our operations and early attainment of synergies from the WebHelp combination.

Speaker 1

On a pro form a basis, the Zifna WebHelp transaction that closed at beginning of the prior year's Q4, profitability metrics would have been as follows: non GAAP operating income of 365,000,000 up $22,000,000 compared with last year non GAAP operating margin of 15.1%, up 50 basis points from the prior year adjusted EBITDA of $429,000,000 up $28,000,000 and adjusted EBITDA margin of 17.8%, up 70 basis points from last year. The large swing in our reported other expense line in the quarter was mostly due to items associated with the Web Health combination. These included a $16,000,000 increase in the fair value of contingent share consideration related to the combination and $13,000,000 in net foreign currency losses. We believe that these items do not reflect the underlying health of our operations and future changes in the fair value of contingent share consideration and foreign currency movements are not predictable. Accordingly, we have adjusted our non GAAP net income and non GAAP EPS metrics to exclude these items.

Speaker 1

Going forward, our reporting of non GAAP net income and non GAAP EPS exclude the change in fair value of contingent share consideration related to the Web Health combination and net foreign currency gains and losses. We believe that this change removes confusion in the reported non GAAP net income and EPS results and more closely aligns our reporting with investors' expectations. This measure is also on a consistent basis with how we provided non GAAP EPS guidance for the 4th quarter. The presentation for all prior periods has been updated to reflect this change. Non GAAP net income was $13,000,000 in the quarter compared with $146,000,000 last year.

Speaker 1

Non GAAP EPS was $3.36 per share compared with $2.80 per share last year. GAAP results for the Q4 of 2023 included $40,000,000 in expenses related to the combination and integration, dollars 97,000,000 in amortization of intangibles, dollars 24,000,000 in share based compensation expense, A $16,000,000 change in the fair value of contingent share consideration, dollars 13,000,000 in net foreign currency losses and $3,000,000 in imputed interest related to the seller's note issued in connection with the combination. Turning to cash flow. Cash generation from operations in the 4th quarter totaled $229,000,000 and capital expenditures were $65,000,000 This resulted in free cash flow of $164,000,000 including $40,000,000 of transaction and integration costs related to the combination. This is within our guidance range for the quarter, which excluded the transaction integration costs.

Speaker 1

For the full year 2023, we achieved our expectation of more than $500,000,000 in free cash flow, excluding transaction integration costs associated with Web Health. Moving forward, we expect capital expenditures to be approximately 2.5% of revenue. Our GAAP and non GAAP tax rates were 10% 21%, respectively, in the Q4. This was lower than expected due to one time items that changed the geographic mix of our income, reducing our exposure to certain minimum taxes and allowing us to use more net operating loss carry force than we anticipated. Our non GAAP tax rate for the full year was 24%.

Speaker 1

Turning to the balance sheet. At the end of the 4th quarter, Cash and cash equivalents were $295,000,000 and total debt was $4,940,000,000 Net debt was $4,650,000,000 at the end of the 4th quarter. The gross debt balance included 2,150,000,000 senior unsecured notes, dollars 1,950,000,000 outstanding on our term loan, the $762,000,000 sellers note and $129,000,000 of borrowings under our AR securitization facility and as reported net of debt issuance costs and discounts. Our gross debt of $4,940,000,000 at the end of the year represents a reduction of nearly $300,000,000 since the close of the combination. As we use free cash flow and a reduction of cash on the balance sheet to pay down debt.

Speaker 1

By year end, we had reduced net debt by approximately 150,000,000 after the combination closed. We reduced net leverage, which stood at 3.2x pro form a adjusted EBITDA combination close to 3.0x by year end. We did this in addition to continuing an active program for capital return. Our strong free cash flow generation and adjusted EBITDA growth give us a clear path to reduce leverage further We're committed to our plan to reduce net leverage to close to 2 times adjusted EBITDA within 2 years of the close of the combination. Regarding our capital allocation priorities, our focus remains on organic growth, the continued integration of Webhelp, Realizing planned synergies and repaying debt.

Speaker 1

Consistent with our commitment to investment grade principles, We will prioritize paying down debt and reducing our net leverage while continuing our dividend and disciplined share repurchases. During the Q4, we paid $21,000,000 through our annual our quarterly dividend, I should say, of $0.30125 per share. We also repurchased 286,000 shares of our stock for approximately $23,000,000 at an average price of approximately $79 per share. For the full year, we paid $64,000,000 in dividends and made $81,000,000 in share repurchases. At year end, the remaining authorization on our share repurchase plan was approximately $290,000,000 We've continued to repurchase shares in the Q1 of 2024, repurchases totaling approximately $11,000,000 quarter to date.

Speaker 1

At year end, our liquidity remained strong at $1,710,000,000 including our $1,040,000,000 line of credit, which is undrawn, cash on hand and the additional capacity of $371,000,000 on our Our strong balance sheet and cash flow generation provides significant flexibility for the future. Now I'll turn my attention to the business outlook for the Q1 and full year 2024. To help with year over year comparisons on a go forward basis. We have published quarterly pro form a revenue figures to help model future year over year performance. These figures demonstrate how the combined business would have performed if the transaction had closed at the beginning of 2023.

Speaker 1

The pro form a data is available in our historical metrics file, which can be accessed on our Investor Relations website. For the Q1, we expect revenue to be in a range of $2,360,000,000 to $2,406,000,000 based on current exchange rates. This reflects approximately 1% to 3% pro form a constant currency growth and approximately 1.1 percent exchange rate headwind. Pro form a revenue was $2,360,000,000 in the Q1 of 2023. In terms of profitability, in the Q1, we expect non GAAP operating income in a range of $325,000,000 At the midpoint of our guidance, this equates to non GAAP operating income margin of approximately 13.4%, an increase of 10 basis points over the prior year and 40 basis points on a pro form a basis.

Speaker 1

On a pro form a basis, Non GAAP operating income was $307,000,000 in the Q1 of 2023. Our non GAAP EPS expectations for the Q1 are in a range of $2.51 per share to $2.65 per share. The calculation of this metric is consistent with the approach that I described earlier. As is typical in our business, we expect Q1 free cash flow to be approximately breakeven and for free cash flow to ramp up meaningfully in the second quarter. We expect interest expense in the Q1 to be approximately $79,000,000 excluding $4,000,000 of imputed interest on the seller's note.

Speaker 1

We expect an effective tax rate of approximately 26% to 27%. We expect a weighted Average diluted share count of approximately 65,800,000 shares. Consistent with prior periods, our non GAAP diluted EPS calculation follows the 2 class method, allocating earnings between common stock and participating securities. For the Q1, we estimate that about 4% of net income will be attributable to participating securities and about 96% of total net income will be attributable to common shares. Moving to our outlook for the entire year, we expect 2024 revenue to be in the range of $9,510,000,000 to $9,701,000,000 for the full year.

Speaker 1

Reflects approximately 1% to 3% pro form a constant currency growth and our revenue expectations net of a 70 basis point exchange rate headwind. Pro form a revenue was $9,490,000,000 for the full year 2023. Our full year profitability expectations include non GAAP operating income in a range of $1,390,000,000 to $1,450,000,000 At the midpoint of the range, this equates to a non GAAP operating margin of 14.8%, an increase of 60 basis points over the prior year and ninety basis points on a pro form a basis. Our guidance for the full year reflects our confidence in achieving our year 1 synergy target of $75,000,000 For context, our current achieved net synergy run rate is approximately $55,000,000 on an annualized basis. Pro form a non GAAP operating income was $1,320,000,000 for the full year 2023.

Speaker 1

Our non GAAP EPS expectations for the full year are in the range of $11.69 per share to $12.50 per share. We expect full year interest expense to be approximately $295,000,000 excluding $16,000,000 of imputed interest on the seller's note, an effective tax rate of approximately 26% to 27% and a weighted average diluted share count of approximately 65,600,000 shares. In calculating non GAAP diluted EPS attributable to common shares for the full year, we expect approximately 90 6% of total net income will be attributable to common shares. In terms of cash flow, we expect another strong year with free cash flow growing by approximately 40% to over $700,000,000 in 2024 inclusive of acquisition and integration costs. This has positioned us to further reduce our net leverage to approximately 2.5 times adjusted EBITDA by year end, assuming no further acquisitions.

Speaker 1

We remain committed to reducing our net leverage to close at 2 times adjusted EBITDA within 2 years after the close of the combination. Our business outlook does not include any future acquisitions or impacts from future foreign currency fluctuations. In closing, we had a very successful year with strong revenue growth, margin expansion and free cash flow generation. We're excited about the combination with Webhelp, which has joined 2 leading CX providers into a global platform for growth and value creation. We believe our range and global reach of high value services and digital capabilities creates a unique customer engagement offering that will keep our business resilient through business cycles.

Speaker 1

We look forward to another year of growth and value creation. With that, operator,

Operator

The first question that we have for today is from Joseph Valfi of Canaccord. Your line is open.

Speaker 3

Hey, guys. Good afternoon. Nice to see strong results here for the end of the year. Just Wanted to maybe drill down a little bit on your guidance philosophy here for the coming fiscal year And any assumptions you have on changes in the macro relative to where you are on that revenue guide? And then I'll have a quick follow-up.

Speaker 2

Sure, John. It's Chris. And then I'll pass to Andre if he's got a follow-up comments. The way we look at 2024 evolving is similar to 2023. We don't expect there to be a sort of seasonal peak in Q4.

Speaker 2

We expect Retail and e commerce continue to be somewhat muted, primarily driven by the macroeconomic conditions. Similar with consumer electronics, we're seeing that as relatively muted. And so we see it as being that consistency through the course of the year. We do see us being able to deploy more of our generative AI solutions internally through the course of the year that will add to some better productivity gains. But as we've called out kind of investing that into frankly winning the business, doing more transformation and building out more tools because we do think that this year we'll start to see a bit more of an inflection point near the end of the year for client solutions.

Speaker 2

That will mute a bit of growth, but that's more of the back half of the year is the way we are looking at it.

Speaker 3

Got it. And then maybe you could compare and contrast maybe the cadence of momentum between kind of core Concentrix And then, Webhelp, I know they're kind of integrating, so it may be harder to do at this point. But How is there a way to kind of give us a little more color into those two sides of the business? Thanks.

Speaker 2

Yes, Joe, it's pretty integrated even now as we speak, as we talked about with already one deal. What I'll tell you is that the Web Health business has brought us more kind of nearshore and offshore capabilities for our Europe business. And so clearly our goal over the next year is to drive more business in higher profit nearshore and offshore regions then sort of Continental Europe for some of the business that we're doing. The web health business also brings us more e commerce clients and travel clients within the market and that's a global comment, they have clients in Latin America and Europe and Asia in those categories. And frankly, that has been a fairly successful high growth area for us and so that's nice to see.

Speaker 2

And then lastly, in some of the newer capabilities that we're bringing on board like the AML and KYC activities that we called out as some of the wins that we've got, we expect to see some good wins from that. But in general, Like to like core business is very, very, very similar. It really brings us the additional footprint and additional market clients that we were after.

Speaker 1

Yes, I think it's fair to say that when we acquired WebHelp, it was growing faster than Concentrix. I think in our guidance that continues. And certainly helped by the fact that unlike the Concentrix business, Webhelp does not have much of a presence in North America, where we do see some pressure given higher costs and clients desire to drive costs down through automating transactions or looking for near shore or offshore alternatives to onshore North American services.

Speaker 3

Got it. Great. Thanks guys for that color.

Speaker 1

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. One moment for our next question. And our next question will be coming from Vincent Colicchio Barrington Research, your line is open.

Speaker 4

Yes, Chris, congrats on a good quarter. I'm curious how significant are the revenue synergies that are baked into your guidance?

Speaker 2

Yes. To be quite honest, Vince, they're quite conservative. We as we talked about when we announced the deal, we did not count on revenue synergies that was sort of additional extra, we were more focused on hitting from a cost synergy perspective as we looked at the numbers. What I would tell you is that normally it takes 6 to 8 months before we start to see real kind of material opportunities that come from bringing 2 businesses together. We were very happy and surprised that we got a few small deals done within the Q4, but I wouldn't over read into that.

Speaker 2

I still think it's sort of that 6 to 8 month window before it becomes more material and we haven't really looked at that within our guide for the year.

Speaker 4

And then have you baked in Do you have any concerns about client losses due to increased revenue concentration? I know there was not a lot of overlap the two firms?

Speaker 2

Yes, there wasn't a lot of overlap between the two firms, which is what really interested us. We haven't had any Feedback from clients that we're over indexed with any of them. In fact, a few that we thought we were going to be touching that threshold, Actually, we've done well with in terms of finding new opportunities. So that hasn't been a concern. At all so far, we don't see anything in the horizon.

Speaker 4

And last one for me. You had referred to leveraging AI for productivity purposes as a main driver for you and not seeing it as a labor substitute.

Speaker 5

Could you give us

Speaker 4

your latest thoughts on the latter?

Speaker 2

Yes, for sure. So we've got a lot of POCs in place with clients, well over 140 and that's sort of growing on a weekly, monthly basis. And what we're finding is that clients are very hesitant, Not to say that this won't change, but very hesitant to have fully automated Gen AI solution, I'll call it in the wild, dealing with customers with no human intervention or no human checks. And there's a lot of reasons for that, which we can go through, but That's still the overwhelming sentiment. And so where people are looking at it to drive the best benefit is where it's hoping whether their staff, our staff, The enterprise and staff be more productive and being able to deliver a differentiated personal service to the customers that they're engaging with.

Speaker 2

That's where we see some of the big, point. And every time we talk about sort of some things that are fully automated, tend to get the clients who are saying no, that's not where we're at right at the moment. That's well down the pipe. And so we're not only building the tools internally for ourselves, We're seeing the benefit, but that's where we're also seeing clients focus their efforts is kind of making themselves better and more productive than sort of complete automation work.

Speaker 4

Okay. Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Vince.

Operator

Thank you. One moment for the next question. And our next question will be coming from Divya Goyal of Scotiabank. Your line is open.

Speaker 6

Good afternoon, everyone. It's a great quarter. I just wanted to build on to this AI question. So you talked about the proof of concepts that you're deploying clients and trying to assess the productivity gains. Have you been and what sort of internal AI deployments are you looking at or considering?

Speaker 6

And do you think that can broadly bring the productivity gains within your organization and help you with an improved operating margin?

Speaker 2

Yes, we do. I mean, we see a lot more tools that we can build internally to drive better productivity across our enterprise. And what we're seeing is that where we can either get information, large quantities of information, like healthcare, I think banking, wealth management, even very complicated tech support, even complex case management with travel and transportation, where we can take huge of information and boil it down and put it into a personalized format and deliver it to a customer, There's big productivity gains that we're seeing within that base. Then if you look at how we can actually take interactions and then analyze the interactions and provide feedback back to our game changers, the name we call our staff, is that the productivity and uniqueness that we can deliver to each individual is something that Frankly, we couldn't do in the past without scaling up significant number more of QA and labor and coaches and everything else that goes along with it. So we see some really, really, really big benefits from that perspective.

Speaker 2

And in terms of complete automation, We talked about we have a few that we put in place that are complete automated gen AI experiences. They're on very, very small LLMs. They're very controlled LLMs and what we're seeing is our revenue model is, we're providing managed services, we're providing the data Ingestion, we're providing the management of those elements and the clients are very cautious about putting them on small transactional queues And really, really, really can fold in lockdown, so there's no hallucinations, nothing goes wrong. At the small queues, there's not as much productivity that you get, but it's definitely something that we're continuing to push.

Speaker 6

That's helpful, Chris. Maybe I'll ask another question and I know you spoke about it at the time you announced the Bevylop acquisition. But now that The company has been acquired for almost a quarter and you've been obviously integrating it. What are some of the key growth geographies that you see. And then I wanted to further kind of understand how the broader LatAm integration going?

Speaker 6

And do you see significant upside coming from the LatAm integration in the shorter term given the growth being discussed across LatAm region in general?

Speaker 2

Yes, for sure. So just kind of set the stage a little bit. The Concentrix business was growing faster in Asia and Europe than it was in North America. And we felt that we were underperforming in Latin America. And one of the things that we were really excited about was that, it gave us faster growth market in Europe with this web pulp combination.

Speaker 2

We are combining with a very, very, very strong team within Latin America and then our Asia team continues to perform very, very well as Andre called out. So from a faster growth geography perspective, think nearshore Europe, think Africa is kind of higher growth growth avenues for us and more profitable growth than what we were able to achieve since we just didn't have that footprint. From a Latin American combination perspective, Very, very, very strong execution team in Latin America now with the combination of the two businesses coming together. And we see the growth not only And new opportunities taking from North America into the Latin American market, but also in some domestic Latin American markets that we've historically done very well in. And together, We think we'll do even better in think Brazil, think Colombia, think Peru, think a few other markets, Mexico that we now have the ability to do both that local engagement business as well as the global business from the nearest world market within North America.

Speaker 2

So quite excited from that perspective.

Speaker 6

That's great. If I may just add. Go ahead, Andrew.

Speaker 1

I was going to add Chris, some really strong technology capabilities, frankly, digital capabilities in that LatAm team that are very, very key to helping us grow that domestic market practice throughout Latin America. So just another great thing that we found in Latin America as you brought the 2 businesses together.

Speaker 6

That's helpful, Andre. Just one last question here. On the pricing environment, so over the last quarters there has been this increased consolidation obviously, we have Concentrix consolidated. Do you see any significant scale benefits? And has that Have you seen a significant change in the pricing environment given the broader macro and how things have trended?

Speaker 2

Yes, that's a good question. I'd answer by saying that right now the market is quite competitive. And what we're seeing is on top of every Clients' mind is reducing costs and to them that is total cost of ownership, some that say simply a pricing exercise. And we are seeing competitors in some commodity work and some kind of higher volume, easier to move work being very, very, very aggressive from a pricing perspective. What we're not seeing that is in some of the higher work that we're doing where there's more technology, more integrated services to be done.

Speaker 2

But overall, it's a very, very competitive market right now is what we're seeing.

Speaker 6

That's helpful. I'll pass the line. Thank you both.

Speaker 1

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question will be coming from Roopla Bhattacharya of Bank of America. Your line is open.

Speaker 5

For the first one, Chris, can I ask you about the general operating environment? Can you talk about deal sizes, the sales cycle? And you haven't I didn't think you mentioned the new economy client growth. I mean, if you can talk about that and what really has changed in the last 90 days from an operational standpoint?

Speaker 2

So a couple of things, Ruplu. Just in terms of timing of deals, the standard deals that we're doing, there's really been no change in timing. They tend to follow the same pattern that we've seen for the last number of quarters. Obviously, we're focusing on some of the big transformational deals that we talked about. We formed a new team around, so Big deal.

Speaker 2

We expect those to take a lot longer. Historically, they can take a fair bit longer, but they're stickier longer term contracts and frankly more profitable. And so certainly we're putting more effort into that. What we are seeing in the marketplace is that wins as we've talked about for probably last couple of quarters tend to come in at the volume that we were and stay closer to that volume versus growing and that tends to be more driven by the macroeconomic conditions, right? People are moving to us because they're getting a change or branch level of service and their business is not as growing as fast as it was in a very robust economy.

Speaker 2

And so we're seeing Those deals come in and probably growing a little slower than what you would have seen a year and a half, 2 years ago from that perspective. The only other kind of comment I'll make just in terms of new economy is we're seeing new economy wind business kind of fall in line with everything else, Right, it's a little higher here and there. So some of the e commerce that we talked about would fall into that category, some of the travel would actually be in the new economy category. And so we're seeing that continue to grow a little faster, but fintechs and healthcare new economy companies and a few other companies like that tend to be following a lot of the general macroeconomic conditions of their enterprise peers in the last quarter. Probably a little different than what we saw a couple of quarters ago.

Speaker 5

Okay. All right. Thanks for that. Let me ask a question to Andre. For fiscal 2024, Andre, you're guiding low single digits, so 1% to 3% year on year growth on a pro form a basis.

Speaker 5

If Webhelp is growing much faster than the base Concentrix business, I mean, is it reasonable for us to think that most of that growth is coming from WebHelp? Or do you expect the core Concentrix business to also grow year on year? And if you can also weave in a commentary on the Catalyst business, how is that doing year on year and when do you expect to get to corporate average growth for the catalyst business?

Speaker 1

Sure. So the Concentrix business is growing on a year over year basis at each point of our guide. However, across our guidance, I would say Webhelp is growing faster at each of those points, both at the low end, midpoint and high end of the range. As for Catalyst, Catalyst has reached a level of stability where it is growing. It is growing really in line with the rest of the business and actually poised to grow maybe a little bit faster than the rest of the business in 2024.

Speaker 1

So we feel good about that. Again, we're not seeing the large transformational deals we've talked about, we've talked about this for a few quarters. We're not seeing large transformational deals there, but a number of opportunities to do smaller projects and drive good results for clients and growth for the business.

Speaker 5

Okay. Thanks for the clarification there, Andre. Chris, if I can come back to you, I mean, I think in the prepared remarks, you said 2024 will be the year that Gen AI will positively influence revenues and maybe in the latter part of the year and into 2025. I mean, so I guess my question to you would be, is that correct? And if it is, then what's giving you confidence that the revenue impact will actually be positive from generative AI because you kind of have to balance some volume going away because of AI, but then you could get higher level work.

Speaker 5

So can you just give us your thought process on how you're thinking about this revenue impact in 2024 2025?

Speaker 2

Yes, for sure, Ruplu. It's a great question. I think there's 2 things that we look at. First, when we've now been at this sort of a year and a quarter, give or take with Our clients looking at POCs and actually getting them in and frankly we've been spending a lot of this in our own dime and kind of co developing with clients, etcetera, etcetera. It hasn't meaningfully put anything into from a revenue perspective.

Speaker 2

And so it's been Not a drag, but it's just been an investment that we've been making. And we start to see near to the end of 2024 where there's enough momentum that we think these things will start to go into more production that, where it's chargeable that we'll start to see more chargeable that we'll start to see sort of the benefits of that. And in the POCs, we are seeing where we're driving revenue and we're starting to develop all these new levels of service for Diner of Whether it be from different types of content tagging and content management, whether it be from how we implement the LLMs, whether it be from how we manage the LLMs, whether be from kind of the annotation of the data, whether it be from the analytics and supporting the application layer that integrates into it and then running it, you have to continue to tune these elements. We're starting to see all these new opportunities for revenue that's coming out that will offset some of the decline that you'll get from people being more productive with the technology being put in place. And so We now have enough kind of test cases and data that we can start to extrapolate and start to see, okay, we see how this works.

Speaker 2

Now, Why we talk about the fact that the visibility is a little light is that we still have clients who generally are looking at this and POCs are okay, But there's still a lot of hesitation for adoption, full scale where, you're going to see sort of probably a bigger inflection point. We do think that will come. I think it's a matter of time, but we'll start to see I think early signs within sort of back half of twenty twenty four to early 2025.

Speaker 5

Okay. Thanks for the details there. I'm going to try and squeeze one more in if I can. So you're doing the WebHelp integration and you said that the focus going to be on debt reduction for the next 2 years. How should we think about your propensity for future M and A in these 2 years or at least in 2024, you do I mean, do you think that that's something you're going to consider?

Speaker 5

And if so, what are the metrics? What size? What are you looking for? And if you can just give any thoughts on inorganic growth in the near term?

Speaker 2

Andre, you're going to grab that?

Speaker 1

Yes. Sorry, yes. Yes. So obviously, Rupalu, the real focus is on paying down debt. And so, I don't think we would say never as it related to smaller or tuck in type M and A.

Speaker 1

Obviously, we want to keep investing in the business. But anything that we do will be consistent with the investment grade principles that we've outlined and our desire to get that net leverage close to 2 times within the 2 year period of post transaction close. So What would we look to acquire? I think it would be again a tuck in nature, could be domain expertise, technological expertise in a certain area, But again, it would be relatively small, and not something of scale such as what we've done with Webhelp. Chris, anything you want to add there?

Speaker 2

No, I agree, Rupu. As we've talked about, it's really about domain expertise, it's about technology, That's about furthering our differentiated value proposition. And so we're focused on kind of making sure that we keep our investment grade principles and enhancing the business if we have the opportunities from an MA perspective in those areas.

Speaker 5

Okay. Thank you for all the details. Appreciate it.

Speaker 1

Sure, Ruth. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. And there are no more questions

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