Freeport-McMoRan Q4 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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January 24, 2024

There are 14 speakers on the call.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Freeport McMoran 4th Quarter Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. I would now like to turn the conference over to Ms. Kathleen Quirk, President.

Operator

Please go ahead, ma'am.

Speaker 1

Thank you and good morning. Welcome to the Freeport McMoran conference call. Earlier this morning, We reported our Q4 and full year 2023 operating and financial results and a copy of today's press release, The supplemental schedules and slides are available on our website atfcx.com. Our conference call today is being broadcast live on the Internet And anyone may listen to the call by accessing our website homepage and clicking on the webcast link for the conference call. In addition to analysts and investors, the financial press has been invited to listen to today's call and a replay of the webcast will be available on our website later Before we begin our comments, I'd like to remind everyone today's press release and certain of our comments on the call include non GAAP measures and forward looking statements and that actual results may differ materially.

Speaker 1

We'd like to refer everyone to the cautionary language included in our press release and presentation materials and to the risk factors described in our SEC filings. Also on the call with me today are Richard Ackerson, our Chairman and CEO Marie Robertson, our Chief Financial Officer Josh Olmstead, our COO of the Americas Mark Johnson, Operating Officer for Indonesia Mike Kendrick, who runs our molybdenum business and Steve Higgins, who is our Chief Administrative Officer. We'll start the call with some opening comments from Richard and then we'll go through the slide presentation materials and then open up the call for your questions. I'll turn it over to Richard. Richard, go ahead.

Speaker 2

Okay. Good morning, everyone. As you can see, our Q1 was really a sound quarter and outstanding in several respects in terms of our operations. It was really led by PTFI during the whole year of 2023. We began our ramp up in 2019 of the underground and now we are fully operationally And the team has been setting records consistently out there and just, outperformed for the full year and faced some really challenges, which is just part of that business.

Speaker 2

But I'm very proud of our PT FI team at Jobsite in Jakarta. We are making great progress in fulfilling our 2018 commitment to the government to invest in Downstreaming in the copper concentrate business in December, I was there for the inauguration of the Expansion of the older smelter, PT smelting, with President Joko Widodo and that was a good event. And then with our new Smelter at Manyar in Eastern Java, we reached an important 90% milestone at the end of the year and we're progressing for Physical completion of the smelter and ramping it up on schedule in 2024. Couple of words about the markets. It continues to be the micro versus macro story.

Speaker 2

Notably in 2023, the macro factors strengthened notably. 2023 had long been forecasted to be a year of surplus because of new mines coming on stream, But it ended up being a small deficit. And at the same time, there was stronger than expected demand for copper in the United States And in China, despite all the issues with China's property business, other sectors created notable growth for copper in China. Then there were the supply shortfalls throughout the industry for some significant mines and these for Range of factors that are kind of common to our business. The copper business, mining business is a tough business, But it was political issues in some countries, community issues, and then operating issues.

Speaker 2

As a result of all that, inventories of copper around the world are at historically low levels and the inventory levels are really inconsistent with the current Copper price. The copper price clearly being driven by macroeconomic factors. The currency, the strong U. S. Dollar, Carryover effects of inflations, government fiscal policies, and there are concerns about economies in China and Europe.

Speaker 2

But if the macro outlook and I'll just say when the macro outlook improves, watch out for the copper price. Looking ahead, the world's going to need significantly more copper in the future for a variety of factors. The world's becoming increasingly electrified and that's what copper is used for. And it's at a time when the industry is simply not investing to grow production That the outlook indicates that will be required for economic, operational and resource Listen, a series of factors, but the facts are there's an outlook for strong demand and supply challenges. That's why I'm so personally confident about where Freeport is positioned and pleased with it.

Speaker 2

We have high volume existing production that's sustainable. We have large sustainable reserves and resources. We have growth opportunities that we will pursue prudently from this really exciting leaching initiative that Kathleen will be talking about and from bound field expansions of our existing ore bodies. Before turning over to Kathleen, I just want to Send a note of condolences to our friends at Rio Tinto. You may have seen the news, but they had a plane to go down in Canada heading to their diamond operations there.

Speaker 2

Rio has been a special part of, Freeport's history. Of course, they were our partners for many years at Grasberg. I've worked with 6, 7, 8 CEOs over my career. Some of my closest colleagues have been with that company. And The toughest part of being a CEO is to lose people and I'm just so sad to hear this news and the whole Freeport family's Heart goes out to our friends at Rio.

Speaker 2

With that Kathleen, I'll turn over to you.

Speaker 1

Okay. Thank you, Richard. And I'll be covering the presentation materials starting with Slide 3, our achievements For 2023, we're summarized here. Our sharp focus on executing our plans in an effective, safe and responsible manner, Managing the controllable drivers and navigating challenges successfully all translated into solid operating results over the year. A big highlight for the year was the outstanding progress in Indonesia, where we grew production levels for the 4th year in a row.

Speaker 1

We posted several new operating records and we continue to enhance values for this large scale, low cost and long lived resource. We were also successful in reaching several milestones during the year, including our reaching our target run rate for incremental leach production in the Americas, enhancing optionality in the Americas for our brownfield growth projects and reaching our targeted 90% completion milestone for the Indonesian smelter project by the end of 2023. As a leader in the industry, we were one of the first companies to have all of our operating sites certified under the copper and molybdenum marks. And this demonstrates our performance and commitment to responsible mining practices. We ended the year 2023 in a strong financial position, a positive outlook and as we work together to enhance long term value for shareholders.

Speaker 1

On Slide 4, we summarize the key results for 2023 compared with historical levels. After growing our volumes from 2020 to 20212022, we were able to sustain production of copper in 2023 by the challenging environment for copper supplies Richard discussed and we reported another year of growth in gold production. Our unit net cash costs for 2023 were above the 2022 level as expected, but they came in very close to our original guidance for the year. We're continuing to actively manage cost productivity initiatives to address cost inflation and we'll be working on that as we go forward. For the year 2023, we generate strong EBITDA of $8,800,000,000 and operating cash flows of over 5,000,000,000 We're continuing to carefully manage not only our operating costs, but also capital expenditures with a priority on spending on projects to sustain production, improve efficiencies and enhance for future development options with attractive rates of return.

Speaker 1

During 2023, we returned 860,000,000 dollars to shareholders, bringing the total shareholder returns to $3,800,000,000 since we implemented our performance based payout framework in 2021. We ended the year with net debt of approximately $800,000,000 and that excludes the related debt, which is being financed separately. I'm going to move to Slide 5 and talk about the 4th quarter. During the Q4, our sales were 3% above our estimates going into the quarter. Our gold production was also very strong, but our Shipments of gold in the 4th quarter was slightly below the previous estimates and that reflected timing and These shipments will be made in the Q1.

Speaker 1

Unit net cash cost averaged $1.52 per pound in the 4th quarter. That was better than our guidance of $1.58 per pound and slightly below the year ago period. Notably, unit net cost, cash costs in Indonesia were 0 in the 4th quarter, dollars 0 per pound, meaning our gold credits completely offset the production costs for copper. Average copper realizations in the 4th quarter were $3.81 per pound and we generated $2,300,000,000 in EBITDA and operating cash flows of $1,300,000,000 Go around the world and talk a little bit about our various operations in the Q4. In the U.

Speaker 1

S, we made progress in increasing our mining rates. That's been a big focus during the quarter with a 9% increase over the year ago quarter. We have a continued focus on improving our asset efficiencies and Workforce experience levels, these are important initiatives as we seek to increase productivities to combat lower ore grades. Our innovative leach initiatives met expectations and also helped to mitigate the impact of lower ore grades in the U. S.

Speaker 1

Labor market conditions in the U. S. Continue to be tight. We're taking steps to expand housing options in our remote locations for recruiting and retention and we're also continuing to pursue technology solutions to enhance productivity. Conversion of the Bagdad truck fleet to fully autonomous is advancing and we're targeting to commence the transition in the second half of next year.

Speaker 1

In South America, our ore milled was sustained about 400,000 metric tons per day and our ore stacking rates increased at Alabra. Mill recoveries at Cerro Verde in the Q4 of 2023 We're below the year ago level because of the material types that we're mining in the Q4. This is continuing for mining phases in early 2024 and we're working to optimize performance. As Richard discussed, the 4th quarter Performance in Indonesia was exceptional. Underground ore mined averaged over 214,000 tonnes per day and that was 8% higher than the year ago period.

Speaker 1

Combined with strong grades and recoveries, our copper and gold production in the 4th quarter was over 20% higher than last year's Q4. We completed the installation of a new SAD mill at PT FI in December and that will provide additional opportunities for us going forward. And the team is just doing outstanding work sustaining and optimizing value from this large resource position. We thought it would be good to look back in history of how the underground transition has gone. Slide 6 covers this.

Speaker 1

We show The history of the progression of the transition, as Richard mentioned, we stopped mining from the surface and the Grasberg open pit at the end of 2019 and transition to fully underground operations beginning in 2020. We have a long history in Indonesia spanning over 56 years and a great track record for building value over many years for all stakeholders. Extremely proud of the team's execution on this transition. We've now had the world's largest underground mining complex And it's been developed in a modern efficient operation. The Glassburg is the world's 2nd largest copper mine and one of the largest gold mines even though gold is a byproduct.

Speaker 1

High grades of both copper and gold make it one of the lowest cost operations in the world as well. This took a lot of planning. We began planning for this underground era over 25 years ago and commenced development activities in 2004. And as you can see from the graph, the project is performing exceptionally well and generating strong margins cash flows. As we look forward, we're continuing to make investments in this resource to enhance value and sustain long term performance.

Speaker 1

We're working on the extension of our operating rights beyond 2,041 and increasingly confident about curing our long term rights. And that would extend the lives of our resources and open a whole new set of opportunities for this district. Richard touched on the smelter progress and this is really important for us in terms of securing long term rights. We reached 2 important milestones on these initiatives in 2023. The projects included a new greenfield smelter in East Java and expansion of our nearby existing smelter, which was developed in the late 1990s.

Speaker 1

Richard mentioned we celebrated in December the completion of the expansion project with the Indonesian government and our Japanese partner. And we also reached a really important milestone on progress of the greenfield project with completion progress, achieving a target we set with the government of over 90% by the end of December. We posted a video this morning on our website that shows the Greenfield smelter project. You can See all the progress that's been made and you can see the sheer size and scale of this impressive facility and I hope you'll have a chance to look at it. Those projects have been executed very efficiently in the context of a challenging market for major project development.

Speaker 1

The internal team that we have working on this project together with our contractor have done an outstanding job containing costs and maintaining schedules. We're working to complete the construction by the end of May of 2024 and to start commissioning and to conduct the ramp up period over the balance of 2024. This is a big deal for us. It's not very frequent that you see new smelters starting up and we've done a lot of planning Going into the startup process, our teams are well prepared and really highly motivated to achieve a safe, efficient and timely startup in 2024. Turning to the U.

Speaker 1

S. And the Americas where we've got an important reach initiative ongoing. We achieved our targeted run rate where we were targeting approximately 200,000,000 pounds of copper per year by the end of 2023. This is an exciting and innovative initiative involving New operating practices being applied to our traditional leach operations, really working to get more out of our massive stockpiles that contain material that has been placed in prior years. Remember, as we talked about on prior calls, the cost of production is low from both an operating and capital perspective, because we're targeting material where the material has already been mined and we're largely using existing infrastructure to extract the new metal.

Speaker 1

The first phase of this initiative essentially involved 4 basic categories of actions. 1, as we talked about previously, we commenced the process to install covers over the stockpiles to increase heat retention and drive higher recoveries. 2, we gained access to areas in the stockpiles that have not previously had the benefit of leach solution, this initiative we call Leach Everywhere. 3, we started using drilling techniques to specifically target areas within the stockpile where solution was lacking. And importantly, the 4th area is developing more sophisticated models using data analytics to optimize the application of solutions to improve performance and using this data as a valuable tool in guiding work in all the areas of initiative in this important program.

Speaker 1

As we look at where the impacts came from, you can see most of the incremental production was from our production was from our Molensi mine. That mine has a very long history of leaching operations. We have a massive set of stockpiles there and a very large opportunity set at Morenci. As we go to Phase 2 of the project, where we are working to essentially double the initial target from £200,000,000 So 400, we really are looking at just scaling these practices further. And by continuing to scale the operating practices, We think we can double the initial target over the next 2 to 3 years.

Speaker 1

And as we continue to work to sustain the production, We can add to our reserve position and that's a real focus of ours to capitalize the progress into long term reserve additions. The first and second phase of this initiative is really operationally driven using existing technologies. The 3rd phase, which is also very exciting, is really the work that we and others are doing to advance The leaching process using different additives and different techniques And this is more of an R and D effort, but it's being advanced. We're commencing a large scale testing activity to evaluate the response to new additives and we're also evaluating opportunities to get More heat retention in our stockpiles and heat really is an enabler of more copper production and higher recoveries. In aggregate, these initiatives have the potential to reach £800,000,000 per annum and that's equivalent to a large scale copper mine.

Speaker 1

And notably, it's got very low capital intensity and you've seen How much new copper mines cost? This is a very low capital intensity, low incremental operating costs and a low carbon footprint. The value potential here is very attractive, particularly for a company like Freeport to take advantage of given our large quantities of suitable material that we previously mined. Richard touched on copper markets earlier And we have some information on slide 9. Physical markets have continued to tighten, Inventories have declined and demand is growing.

Speaker 1

Despite the weak sentiment over the last several quarters on the Chinese economy and property sector, The reality is that China's copper consumption was strong throughout 2023 and this reflected the intensity of copper used in energy infrastructure, renewables and electric vehicles. In the U. S, our customers continue to report solid demand for copper with growth in sectors. At the same time, supply disruption increased meaningfully in recent months. In total, near term supplies of copper had been reduced by over 700,000 tons in a very short period of time.

Speaker 1

The market was previously expecting that 2024 would be a small surplus market And turning to deficit beginning in 2025 timeframe and continuing for some time. With the recent supply disruptions and continued demand growth, the deficit market has been advanced into 2024 setting up for tight market conditions in the near term. While the fundamentals have become significantly more positive, macro conditions tied to U. S. Dollar strength and sentiment about China have influenced copper price movements.

Speaker 1

Richard mentioned, we believe the fundamentals of the market will lead to significantly higher copper prices in the future And that's supported by anticipated strong growth in demand associated with secular trends and the global economy's requirements for copper. Also the realities of the cost and timeframes required for new supply development is an important factor when we look at the fundamental outlook for copper. Turning to how Freeport is positioning to try to grow production in response to this market demand, Really look at the sizable on Slide 10, we really look at the sizable reserve position of copper and even larger resource position that Freeport has that supports a pipeline for future growth options. Within the portfolio, we look for opportunities to get more out of what we have through innovation and operating efficiencies. We look for investments in projects, so we have large resource positions and where we have established track records and opportunities to leverage the existing infrastructure, our people and capabilities, all with the drive focused on increasing value.

Speaker 1

We categorized on slide 10, our near term, medium term and longer term development options. And we've outlined identified projects totaling about £1,700,000,000 of copper in the Americas. And we've also highlighted on the slide the ongoing development of the Kuchingliar project in Indonesia, which is expected to support long term production profiles in the Grasberg District. The opportunities that are shown on the slide in to 3 year category, they center around scaling our reach initiatives and achieving incremental production from our operational improvement projects. Together, the potential from these opportunities total £400,000,000 of incremental copper per annum and do not require significant investment or long lead times.

Speaker 1

We discussed earlier the leach projects, but we're also dedicating significant resources to enhancing productivity and asset rebuilding the experience of our workforce given the large number of new hires in recent years and utilizing new technologies and automation to restore and improve on productivity metrics that weakened somewhat during the pandemic. As we indicated, we completed a feasibility study late in the year 2023 to evaluate a project to more than double the size of our Bagdad operation in Northwest Arizona. The reserves at Baghdad are span for decades and they support expansion of infrastructure at the site to bring value forward. The incremental capital costs to build a new concentrator and support infrastructure for significantly higher mining and milling rates is on the order of $3,500,000,000 An expanded operation would not only substantially increase copper production, that would produce economies of scale and reduce unit costs. The project does not require major permitting and is relatively straightforward.

Speaker 1

But given the tight labor market conditions and general market factors, we're not making a decision right now on the timing of the project. We'll continue to evaluate the timing of when we would go forward, but we are taking steps now enhance optionality for the future by making some investments in the autonomous haulage for our mining operations, making some investments in housing and also advancing investments in the tailings infrastructure that will Put us in a position that we make the decision we could get the project online within a few years. In Chile, at Alabra, we talked about this. Our resource is very large. We have a major opportunity to install a new concentrator on the size of the on the order of magnitude size of the concentrator we added at Cerro Verde in 2015.

Speaker 1

We'll continue to work to retest the economics and updating our project capital costs in light of recent capital cost experience of other large projects. And in parallel, we're starting work in preparation for an environmental impact statement that would give us the ability to advance the project and provide optionality for future development. We mentioned the Cuccinliar development project in the Glassboro District, which we've initiated development on. This is a multi year development project, and it's proceeding on schedule and we expect to commence production by 2,030, ramping up to over £500,000,000 of copper and over 500,000 ounces of gold. We're also conducting additional exploration in the Glassford District where we have identified potential.

Speaker 1

We've got a big potential below our deep MLZ ore body And we expect to have additional opportunities in the future at Grasberg. We have a major opportunity in the U. S. At the Saffron Lone Star District. We've identified a significant resource there.

Speaker 1

This year, we're going to work to complete metallurgical testing and mine planning and start a previous feasibility study to assess future development options there. We continue to see this district as one that has big potential and potentially being a cornerstone asset in the U. S. On adjacent to the Morenci operations. In Indonesia, we're focus on this extension of our rights beyond 2,041 because that would open up substantial opportunity for reserve and resource expansion and a continuation of the large scale mining in one of the world's largest and highest grade copper and gold mining districts.

Speaker 1

We're in a really strong position to continue our leadership role in supplying copper to a world with growing requirements. We're going to continue to be disciplined in our approach and focused on executing projects where we can create value for shareholders. With a lot of history in developing big projects, we included a slide on page 11 that you can take a look at. A key strength of our company is the ability to execute projects successfully. This does not come easy.

Speaker 1

It requires a focused hands on approach and we've got a business model of pairing internal resources with trusted contractors and that has served us well. We've listed several projects that we've led over the years and we've developed Very complex projects around the world. We're going to continue to approach future projects with the same level of preparedness, rigor and a focus on execution. As we look at 2024, turning to Slide 12, We've got our focus areas listed here. And 1st and foremost, we remain committed to safe and reliable execution of our operating plans across the global business.

Speaker 1

Seems like a simple thing, but this involves discipline and hard work day in and day out. We discussed our focus on enhancing performance in the U. S. Through our leach initiatives and productivity. This is particularly important to mitigate low grades and to manage costs, which have experienced higher inflation in recent years.

Speaker 1

We're going to have another big year in Indonesia. A key priority for us is to complete the smelter and ramp up safely and efficiently and to finalize an agreement for extension of our long term operating rights. We're also very focused on enhancing optionality, definition and the value of our embedded growth options. On Slide 13, We show as usual, we show a 3 year outlook for sales volumes of copper, gold and molybdenum. For 2024, the copper sales volumes are slightly reduced less than 2% below our prior estimate and are now expected to be similar to 2023 levels.

Speaker 1

The gold sales are 10% higher than our prior estimate and higher than they were in 2023. Higher sales in Indonesia for the year of 2024 offset by slightly lower sales from the Americas. In 2025, our sales estimates are similar to the prior estimates And we've added 2026 estimates, which you can see are slightly above the 2025 levels. For 2024, we currently estimate our consolidated unit costs to approximate $1.60 per pound. We've got some details in the reference materials, I believe on Page 30 that you can look at the composition of those costs.

Speaker 1

But dollars 60 very similar to what we had in 2023. On slide 14, we put together our projected volumes and cost projections and we model the results for our EBITDA and cash flow at various copper prices ranging from $4 to $5 copper. These models use the average of 20252026 And our current volume estimates and our cost estimates and holding gold flat at roughly current levels of $2,000 per ounce and nolybdenum flat at $19 per pound. And you can see here on the charts that Annual EBITDA in these periods would range from $10,000,000,000 per annum@4 dollars copper to over $14,000,000,000 per year at $5 copper and operating cash flows under these price scenarios would range from $7,000,000,000 to over $10,000,000,000 We've got sensitivities to the various commodities on the right hand side of the chart, Really well positioned with long life reserves, large scale production. We not only have current exposure to copper, but all of our future projects and growth opportunities are well positioned to benefit from future metals intensive growth.

Speaker 1

And this will give us the ability to generate returns on projects and enhance cash returns under our performance based payout framework. Turning to the capital expenditures on Slide 15, we show our current forecast For 2024 and 2025, we should also show where we ended up for 2023, which totaled $3,100,000,000 and that was slightly lower than what we've guided to in October of $3,200,000,000 And capital for 2024 is currently forecast to approximate $3,600,000,000 compared with the $3,900,000,000 The 2025 estimates that are new here are currently estimated to totaled $3,800,000,000 That includes $1,200,000,000 in discretionary growth projects, which totaled $2,400,000,000 over the 2024 2025 years. This category reflects the capital investments we're making in new projects to generate returns that under our Financial policy are funded with 50% of available cash that's not distributed. They're value enhancing projects that are detailed in the reference materials on Slide 33. We're going continue to be very disciplined around capital expenditures, carefully managing those.

Speaker 1

You saw we Adjusted the capital expenditures down for 2024 and as we go forward, we'll continue to look at opportunities to do things to sustain our business and to do things on a low capital intensity basis. And finally, before we take your questions, we just on slide 16, we reiterate our financial policies, and those are prioritized centered on a strong balance sheet, cash returns to shareholders and investments in value enhancing growth projects. Balance sheet is solid. We've got strong credit metrics and a lot of flexibility within our debt targets to execute on our projects. You may have seen that Moody's upgraded our credit rating in December and that just demonstrates our strong financial profile.

Speaker 1

Indicated on the slide, we've distributed Almost $4,000,000,000 to shareholders through dividends and share purchases since the payout framework was implemented in the second half of twenty twenty one. And we have an attractive future long term portfolio that will enable us to continue to build value, long term value for shareholders. The global team as we go forward is really highly focused on our strategy with being foremost in copper and we're driven to continue pursuing long term value in the business and executing our plans responsibly, safely and efficiently. And I want to thank everybody for their attention and we'll now take your questions.

Operator

Our first question comes from the line of Alex Hacking with Citi. Please go ahead.

Speaker 3

And Richard, I guess my question is around Baghdad and the technical study. Now I was a little surprised by how high the CapEx was $3,500,000,000 for an incremental 100,000 tons, that's about $35,000 a ton. I mean, in your view, is that the new normal for a concentrate project or are there particular factors of Baghdad that are raising the CapEx above historical levels? Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Alex. I think it is somewhat of a new normal for the cost of a concentrator and related mining infrastructure. When you do, you're dividing on the cost per ton. You're looking at how many pounds of copper are going to come out of that concentrator. And our U.

Speaker 1

S. Mines are characterized by relatively low ore grades. And Baghdad has relatively low copper ore grades, but also has molybdenum kicker. So molybdenum would add something like £10,000,000 of molybdenum with an expansion. So that'll be another benefit.

Speaker 1

But Really what we need to do is focus on it does bring down our overall cost per pound. So that's A big plus for us. When you look at an investment in the U. S, it may be to develop a relatively lower grade mine, but something important to point out is that We don't have the tax burden in the U. S.

Speaker 1

That you have in the international location. So I think our projects in the U. S. While they're low grade, when you cut through all the economics And you look at the ability for us to execute the projects and look at the risks associated with them are different than looking at a project in a different location. So there's some pluses or minuses that go into the bottom line, but We started this work on bad debt sometime ago and we've updated All of the capital costs in line with where current capital costs are.

Speaker 1

And so I think a reality of the market is that the incentive price to develop new copper, even if it's brownfield, is much higher than it has been in the past. And that's another reason why we believe that In the markets, if they need these copper units, they're going to have to adjust to the incentive prices required to get these projects going because we don't want to front run the market. We want to be prepared. We want to be have options to go forward as soon as we can, but we don't want to be in a position where We're investing in making major capital commitments before the market prices are telling us they're ready.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Kathleen. Appreciate the color.

Speaker 2

Yes. Alex, let me just add very brief Very briefly, Kathleen makes a really good point about these relative economics. No royalties in the U. S. U.

Speaker 2

S. Tax rate is much lower federal tax rate is much lower than Outside the U. S, we have a net operating loss carry forward. Community support is strong in the U. S.

Speaker 2

And we have no minority interest there. So looking at global benchmarks needs to be adjusted for the site specific factors that we have in the U. S. And they're very positive.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Carlos De Alba with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Yes. Good morning, Richard and Catharine. Question is On cost, I just want to see if you can provide a bit more color. The guidance for the Q1 of net unit cash cost of $1.55 per pound looked very good relative to consensus expectations and our own estimate. However, for the full year, the guidance came at $160,000,000 and that is a little bit higher than the market than again consensus And our model suggests.

Speaker 4

So what are you expecting? What the viability in these were you surprised in the beginning of the year, but then maybe throughout the rest of the quarters is increasing. What is driving that? And to what extent This number for the year is conservative.

Speaker 1

In terms of the first quarter, we do have some gold that was not shipped in the Q4 that will be shipped in the Q1. And so the relative gold to copper ratio impacts the Q1 and makes that less than what we expect the average to be for the full year. I don't know what Carlos what you had in there for export duties, but We're assuming in Indonesia that those are continuing. We are continuing to discuss with the government of Indonesia, the applicability of those duties and I think the More that we make progress on the smelter, the better our case there is. But that's something we've factored into the estimate, but We are continuing to have that discussion.

Speaker 1

So if we are successful in reducing those duties, that would be a benefit.

Speaker 4

All right. And just to clarify then, Kathleen, this the cash cost guidance for the year of $160,000,000 includes that the duties in Indonesia Concentrate exports remain throughout the entire of the year, right, the full year?

Speaker 1

Yes. Our export it only applies to export volumes. And so as we go through the year, the exports will decline, because we'll be ramping up the smelter. So, our goal for 2024 is to get the full ramp up completed. And so That's not something that will continue long term the duties once we get the smelter fully up and running.

Speaker 1

But It'll start to decline over the course of the second half as we ramp up and we produce more domestically.

Speaker 5

Thank you very much.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Christopher Lovimena with Jefferies. Please go ahead. Hi.

Speaker 6

Thanks operator. Hi Richard and Kathleen. Thanks for taking my question. I wanted to ask about the kind of cost trends in North America, in particular at Morenci. So I know that you're guiding to a slight increase in your site production delivery costs in 2024 And I assume that is a function of volumes being lower.

Speaker 6

But if we think about kind of where this business could be headed, assuming that Morenci can kind of get back to where it was 12 or 18 months ago, and I'm not sure if that's a good assumption, but let's assume that to be the case. With the leaching ramp up, with the staffing and productivity improvements, with the new technologies and potentially even longer with the Bagdad expansion, where could that kind of site production delivery cost number trend down to? Could it get back to $2.50 or lower or is $3 a pound sort of the new normal for that business? Thank you.

Speaker 1

Well, we hope it's not the new normal, Chris. We're working hard. I mean, one of the things that's You've got to take into account here is we are in a low grade period in the U. S. I think the grades that we had in 2023 were the lowest that they had been in probably 10 years or so or more.

Speaker 1

So we are in a period that's continued in 2024, where we do have some low grades that we're going through. But that is why it's so important for us to bring on new units with a lower incremental cost and the leach opportunity will help us there. And as we are able to get those pounds Put into reserves longer term, not just what you're mining that year or getting that year, but Multi year reserve additions for the leach, that spreads the cost, all the costs over more reserves. And so it does help us with driving the economies of scale and why it's so important. We're not in a position now To say where costs could go, there's been a number of other factors that have inflation factors And things like the cost of basic parts and materials and supplies has gone up from where it was just 2 or 3 years ago.

Speaker 1

But we are very focused on it. And All of these self help things for us have very high rates of return. There's not a lot of capital involved. It's Focused resources, it's not an easy thing because it would have been done already, but it is an area we think We can make improvements. We can also focus, which we're doing now on last couple of years, we've had to rely more on contractors, because of the staffing issues.

Speaker 1

But as we get staffing set up and get more experience in the workforce, we can reduce our reliance on contractors, as you probably know, have gotten expensive and in Arizona is a very competitive market. So we're working on all those things within the things that we have within our control and are really going to be focused on trying to drive the cost down. We're also looking at Morenci specifically At different configurations, we're looking at whether it makes sense for us to be Operating all of our equipment like we are today, and looking at if we cut back some things, would that be There's costs and benefits to that because that could have volume impacts as well. But is that a better setup, a more efficient setup that allow us to drive costs lower? So We've got some of those initiatives that are being reviewed right now on what the right setup is given how costs have risen.

Speaker 6

That's very helpful. Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Orest Wowkodaw with Scotiabank. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Hi, good morning. Given the costs, the capital costs involved and the timing of building new projects and the strength balance sheet. I'm just wondering whether M and A of producing assets is something that's on the radar because it certainly seems like there could be some assets available out there, especially in jurisdictions you're not currently in?

Speaker 2

Well, We're constantly monitoring the market, and you can be confident that opportunities are available or presented to us and we consider them. The facts are we haven't found those attractive today. We have such great opportunities to create value totally for our shareholders by focusing on internal growth.

Speaker 7

This

Speaker 2

is a leach project through the brownfield developments in the Americas, Through the Kuchinglay Air project in Indonesia and now with the expectation that we'll go beyond 2,041, we're going to do additional exploration there to understand what the opportunities are. And success in any of those opportunities creates value where there's no value in our current share price. So it's all for the benefit of our shareholders and that makes it much more difficult for external opportunities to compete with them. And my experience has shown that small minds get smaller and big minds get bigger. So we really are, as I said in my opening comments, pleased about where Freeport is positioned for what we believe is going to be a great future for our company.

Speaker 7

Thanks, Richard.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Edward Goldsmith with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

Speaker 8

Hi, Richard and Kathleen. Thanks for the presentation. Two questions from my side. So firstly, can you give an update on the status of the Negotiations over concentrate export extension post May. And secondly, can you outline the reductions to the 2024 CapEx?

Speaker 8

I think they were at the discretionary and the other CapEx bucket level. Thank you.

Speaker 1

Yes. On the first part of the question, Our current export license in Indonesia goes to May of 2024. And we are continually having discussions with the government of Indonesia about the fact that While we will be substantially complete on construction activities by the end of May, which was real important target for us and for them that just the ordinary course of a smelter startup It takes 5 or 6 months to get through. And so we're having those discussions. They understand the situation And they're encouraging us to continue to meet our targets and that those discussions will continue out that the alignment that we have with the 51% ownership of the state owned company Mind ID in PTFI's operations is really important here.

Speaker 1

That combined with tax revenues, etcetera, that the government gets from Having consistent operations at PTFI is, we're both aligned in that to get to have exports continue. So the conversations have been constructive to date, but we've just got to continue to progress it and have those continue to have the discussions with the government and we're doing that on a regular basis.

Speaker 2

Well, Kathleen, just let me add, they're not negotiations over this issue. The mines, I mean, I've spoken In recent months, on at least 3 occasions, directly with the president about it, he understands it. The mines minister who has a business background clearly understands it. It's just administrative procedurally. They concluded not to grant that export rights beyond this date to see if we complete the smelter as we've committed to do it.

Speaker 2

But beyond that, it'll be just be an administrative action to get it approved.

Speaker 1

On the second question with respect to capital expenditures, We always go through a process of looking for opportunities to push out capital if it's not required in the current year. And we went through a process between the last update and this one to really look hard at what we could efficiently spend this year and cut back on some things. Some of that showing up in 2025. We'll do the same thing again because really what we want to do is deploy the capital as efficiently as we can and make sure we're sustaining the reliability of our operations, But also looking at, we don't want to be doing too many things at one time. And so we always take a Hard look at it.

Speaker 1

So we'll continue to do that as we go forward and manage the capital very but there wasn't really one big thing. There was a number of things that we did in looking at the prior estimate for 2024.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Michael Dudas with Vertical Research. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Good morning, Kathleen and Richard.

Speaker 1

Hey, Michael.

Speaker 2

Hey, Michael.

Speaker 5

With regard to your proposed investments in the U. S, maybe even looking in Latin America, maybe Curt, can you remind us On an internal rate of return, risk adjusted rate of return basis, what Freeport is looking for? Certainly, you mentioned on the U. S. Investments, you get benefits from royalty and tax issues, but just on a general basis, even when you're thinking about your assets in Indonesia.

Speaker 5

And then on the follow-up on that, Is the industry relative to a year ago today, is the industry ahead of the curve or behind the curve on meeting what the expected demand opportunities are in the market? Thank you.

Speaker 1

On the first part of the question With respect to how we evaluate projects and returns, we don't target One number. We look at what the specific project is, what the execution risk is, where it's located And we run a range of commodity price assumptions around it to look at what we're really focused on in deploying capital is investing in putting our infrastructure and investments in places where We can execute the plan and in places where we've got long term reserves. Because anybody that tells you they can get the copper price right is wrong because it's going to move up and down. And so what we want to have is a situation where we've got a very long life reserve, where you can make that capital investment upfront and realize cash flows over a long period of time and not have to get the price forecast for copper perfect in the 1st year or 2. And so when we look at returns, we're looking at those projects that have leverage to future copper.

Speaker 1

And we may we look at something outside of the U. S, we may apply higher risk factors and really look to get higher rates of return than what we would want to have in something like the U. S, where for reasons that Richard talked about have somewhat of a lower risk profile for us. But it's not one scientific number. It's a range of scenarios that we run around a project.

Speaker 1

And again, looking at the resource And the size of the investment and our ability to generate returns over a long period of time That would be consistent, not that it would go away, it would fall off, something that could be earned over a long period of time has a long tail, which a lot of projects do. And Richard may have some perspectives on the second question. I think it's obvious that There haven't been new projects sanctioned in our industry for some time. And what's happened Recently, in recent years with the copper prices rallying and then falling off has just caused more delays, more cautiousness by developers in developing the project. I would say in my opinion, the situation has become more significant Because the projects are taking longer, not shorter.

Speaker 1

And we talked about when we started on Grasberg Underground, We started planning, started investing 20 years ago in it. I mean, you really have these are long lead time projects and we really need to have started investments. And that's why we're really focused on what can we do, Continue to plan for these long term projects, but what else can we do and what can we do to take advantage of technology that's available to us What can we do to get more out of the resources we already have? But not everybody has that ability. And Richard, I don't know if you want to add Any comments to that second part?

Speaker 2

Well, and I'll add a brief comment to the first part too, Kathleen. My early experience in my career was in the oil and gas industry. And early on, Dan Yergin and I wrote a paper on oil price forecasting, which basically evidenced how wrong forecast can be. And so we approach, as Kathleen described, All of our investment business planning on scenario basis, not trying to predict a particular price or range of price, But to look at what impact investment decisions and operating decisions have on our overall portfolio. And we look to protect ourselves on a portfolio basis from downside risk and then structure investments to take advantage of what we have as confidence in a long term price.

Speaker 2

So it's not any kind of formal rate of return kind of criteria that you see in a lot of industries which work elsewhere. And, you know, I have this saying that figures don't lie, but liars figure. And, so, you know, we just really Base these things, as I said, on scenario planning and portfolio impacts. The basic CCs, I believe, for the demand for copper is unchanged and continues to be supported. From the very start, my work with ICMM was Chairman on two occasions, but most recently when all the issues about Aspirational goals for carbon reductions were being considered in such promise.

Speaker 2

I've always said That there are a lot of unanswered questions and the movement towards these aspirational goals will not be consistent, but they'll have issues, complications and so forth. And that's certainly what we're seeing. The future of copper is really influenced significantly by investments in carbon reduction. I think it's something the world Absolutely has to do. There are other factors related to global growth, connectivity, these data centers, Some of that's being driven by artificial intelligence.

Speaker 2

Just everywhere you turn, the world is getting more electrified. And that's why I think the Fundamental long term demand thesis for copper is just getting stronger and stronger.

Speaker 3

Very helpful. Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Mike.

Speaker 7

Thank you

Speaker 9

for taking my question.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Brian MacArthur with Raymond James.

Speaker 10

Good morning, Richard and Kathleen, and thank you for taking my question. It goes back to what Alex was asking in Bagdog. So I just want to make Sure. As I look at these numbers, so the project capital is $3,500,000,000 and

Speaker 11

I would have to think

Speaker 10

you get some infrastructure benefit there. So it's not a true greenfield. And then you talk about a $3.50 to $4 incentive copper prices and understand the benefits of no royalties and taxes. Does that sort of say that if you didn't have infrastructure, the capital cost would have been higher? And if you didn't have all these tax benefits, the incentive price would be an awful lot higher, I.

Speaker 10

E, if anybody else had to do a greenfield there, You'd probably need an incentive price well over $4 to make it work, I. E. Those numbers include all the tax benefits and everything that

Speaker 5

you were talking about before,

Speaker 7

if I can ask a question that way?

Speaker 1

Brian, if somebody else had the same situation, Greenfield and the grades we have, it would be a lot more, A lot more expensive.

Speaker 2

A lot more. Yes. Right. And Your $4 is absolutely right. You just look at recent projects and look at How costs escalate and then what would have taken from an incentive price to justify that project from the outset if the cost numbers had been known.

Speaker 2

So this is not that complicated. This is not a greenfield project. We've operated there For 80 years or so, and it's about a straightforward project as you could have, but it's telling for the industry, even with this kind of straightforward project, The challenge you face, it's cost, it's tailings, and we do benefit from infrastructure. This is just a mill expansion. It's not building a new mine.

Speaker 2

But then there's a challenge of getting workers and housing for workers. So all of this is real telling On the supply side, I just talked about the demand side support for copper. This is a great example of a simple project In terms of the relative complexities of projects in our industry, this is relatively simple. And yet, it faces these challenges of being economically justified in today's price. At the outset, I said, Today's copper price is not a price that's adequate to simulate the kind of investments that are going to be needed for this industry.

Speaker 2

And that's why we're optimistic about future prices.

Speaker 10

Right. And maybe if I could just ask just on the capital allocation, I mean, you've got lots So options as you said, but if you're successful for Phase 3, I mean you get as much production there as you would here at I assume a fraction of the capital cost, does Bagdad get pushed in that situation? I mean, I get it, the world needs probably all of it, But would they get sequenced or are they complementary? I mean, I know they don't depend on each other, but are they complementary and you would do both at once if both work?

Speaker 1

We're prioritizing the Leach initiative. I mean that is one that's a no brainer for us. It's a very, very little capital that we're investing in it and very low increment it's our lowest incremental operating cost of anything in the U. S. And so that's a no brainer.

Speaker 1

We're pursuing that regardless. That makes a ton of sense And we're pursuing that regardless. We think the world is going to need something beyond that, obviously. And so On the Bagdad thing, we just want to get it to where continue to enhance the optionality in it. And we need to do some things anyway.

Speaker 1

We're doing some infrastructure on tailings that we would need to do anyway in future, maybe not as quickly as what it would need with the new project, but we need to do those anyway. So we're going to do those to the extent we can do that efficiently. We want this autonomous thing that we're pursuing. Years ago, people thought you didn't really need autonomous in the U. S.

Speaker 1

But Now we particularly in these remote locations, we really, really do when you consider the cost workforce and the housing limitations and that sort of thing. And the opportunities to upscale our employees, We think it checks all of those boxes. So autonomous, we want that to see how that unfolds. So we don't have to pull the trigger on Baghdad now, but we want to put it in a position where it can go forward. It makes sense, if the world needs more copper to get copper from where we already have it.

Speaker 1

And so, it does it's a good project. It's not a barn burner from an economic standpoint. Jack, it's not a barn burner from an economic standpoint right now, but it will have its day and I think it will get done at some point. It just we aren't predicting exactly when.

Speaker 10

Great. Thanks very much for all the color.

Speaker 2

And Brian, we've got a strong enough financial position that we can Capital is not a barrier for us doing projects that makes sense.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Alan Spence with BNP Paribas. Please go ahead.

Speaker 2

Helen, you're breaking up on us.

Speaker 9

Sorry, I'll try again. Hopefully, this hear me.

Speaker 1

Yes, that's better.

Speaker 9

The strong performance Grasberg in December, is that a level you think could potentially be through 2024 or is there something unique about what happened last month? And also if you could To remind you if you can get to 240,000 ton per day run rate?

Speaker 1

With respect to We've

Speaker 2

got a great go ahead, Kathleen.

Speaker 1

Okay. I was going to say Mark Johnson is on the line. He can add to it if he wants. But with respect to December, It highlights, we got that SAG mill completed, the new SAG mill completed in December. So really that gave us the ability to put more ore throughput through the concentrators And with the combination of higher grades, and strong recoveries, we had a great month.

Speaker 1

Now we have the ability to continue to have strong performance. We achieved a lot of records in December. But we do have the ability and some upside to continue That SAG mill was originally put in the plan because, over time we'll need the additional grinding capacity, etcetera, to take the ore that will be coming. But right now, while we're in these higher grade sections, the more We can put through the mills, the better the copper production will be. In terms of the 240, Right now, we don't have $240,000,000 in our plans.

Speaker 1

But over time, With the addition of Cuchin ER, we'll have that capacity to do it. But having SAG 3 does give us some more opportunities in the near term to If we continue to have high rates of ore produced from the underground, it will give us some upside. A mine we don't talk a lot about, but one that we're going to try to keep improving on is a big Gossan mine. It's a relatively small mine, but very, very high grade. And we've got some plans to bring in some additional And that's reflected in the 5 year guidance, but some additional throughput from Biggossan that will add copper production and gold production.

Speaker 1

And Mark, I don't know if you want to add into any of those comments.

Speaker 10

Yes, Kathleen, the only thing

Speaker 12

I would add is, as part of the KL project, we also add some Over the shorter term, we add some workflow capacity and optionality at GVC. That allows us to get GVC up from like 120,000 tons up to 140,000 tons a day in 2026. And at that point, we'll be able to run close to 240,000 tons through the mill. The mine and mill will be matched. And then, as you said, the KL come up and then GBC and KL share portions of the overflow system.

Speaker 12

But over the short term, We sequence that part of the KL ore flow that gives us the opportunity at GVC in the much shorter term.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Bill Peterson with JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Speaker 13

Hi, Richard, Kathleen and team. Nice job on the quarterly execution. Thanks for sneaking in my question here. So I want to come back to the leaching efforts to incremental £200,000,000 I think you mentioned 2 to 3 year period. Is that a 30 linear ramp or is that more back end weighted.

Speaker 13

And you've consistently talked about low capital intensity. Can you remind us what the capital associated with this Is, I guess, quantified and has there been any CapEx creep in interim similar to just other broader projects? And thanks.

Speaker 1

On the timeframe for the incremental $200,000,000 we have not Given a specific timeframe, we do feel We can get it done within a couple of years and we'll add whatever we can in the interim where This leach everywhere initiative that we have where we're accessing parts of stockpiles that hadn't been accessed before, getting access to some of the side slopes and some of the areas around the stockpile that We just didn't leash before. That's been a big driver of success and will continue to be. The other one that we're excited about is the Targeted drilling, and through our data, we can see where you have situations where, The solution that needs to get to the ore has been blocked for some reason over history. And this targeted drilling allows us to get access to it. We are testing this year some abilities to do that more at scale.

Speaker 1

And that is something that we're really interested to see how That develops and whether that will give us some additional incremental production. We haven't factored that into our plans at this point, but we're going to continue to use these covers. We still don't have everything of the Stockhouse is so massive covering spanning particularly Morenci just miles of area. And So we're still doing the covers. We're still looking for other opportunities to get heat Into the stockpiles, we're targeting some pyrite ores In some of our operations that have pyrite in the ores, that is a source of heat as well.

Speaker 1

There are a number of things that We're working on that are not the big R and D effort, but things that we can do from an operational standpoint. But we'll stay tuned. This is a big initiative and stay tuned. As we go forward, look to give you a little bit more as we go through 2024 in terms of the timeframe, we haven't spent much capital on this initiative. We've already got the infrastructure, basic infrastructure, the tank house capacity.

Speaker 1

This is Copper that goes to a tank house, not a smelter. And we have already excess latent tank house capacity. We've spent some money, but it doesn't round to anything really big. The operating costs, the incremental operating costs of this have been very low on the order of dollars per pound. And so it's just a really, really exciting opportunity for us to generate value.

Speaker 1

And so as we go forward, we don't see huge amounts of capital either that will come into play. When you get to this piece that's R and D, that's where we need to make sure that all these things can be applied and deployed at scale and can be economic, but that testing is ongoing. But the first GBP 400,000,000 We think that we can do that without spending a lot of capital.

Speaker 13

Thanks, Kathleen.

Speaker 2

And you may have noticed this, Kathleen, but importantly, there's no permitting issues. And that is a real challenge for any kind of project you do in terms of brownfield expansions and really tougher greenfield expansion. So here, no capital, low operating costs, No permitting delays.

Operator

Our final question will come from the line of Lawson Winder with Bank of America Securities. Please go ahead.

Speaker 11

Thank you very much, operator, and good morning, good day, Kathleen and Richard. Thank you very much for the update. Just if I could just sneak in 1.5 questions. One would just be on the current level of the dividend, I mean, is your view that Given the cash flow outlook, your view of the copper price, I mean, is this a comfortable level for the dividend for 2024? And then just My half question would be, is there any movement within your existing TCRC contracts to potentially renegotiate those or get the benefit of some of the really, really low spot pricing we're seeing today?

Speaker 11

Thank you.

Speaker 1

On the dividend question, our board reviews Financial policy on a regular basis. And we put in place The base dividend, the variable dividend and we've been paying at that level for some time now. We'll continue to review that with the Board. You can see from our results, the financial results that we're projecting for 2024 look very good. But we always are going to look at what's going on in the market and don't want to put ourselves in a position of running up debt.

Speaker 1

But we have a good balance sheet. So I don't want to front run anything. The Board will look at this on a regular basis, but our financial position is in really excellent shape. The second question on TCRCs, We reach agreement as you know with on long term TCRCs that are done on fixed contracts once a year. And since then, spot rates have come a lot, lot lower given the tightness in supply.

Speaker 1

We do sell some things on a spot basis, most of it is sold under these fixed contracts where we have the TCRCs fixed. The other thing is Once we get the smelter in Indonesia up and running, we don't have we still do with Sara Verde concentrate that we sell, but everything from Indonesia will be really just process through our own smelters.

Speaker 2

Yes. And our contracts are long term in terms of volumes, but the TCRCs are renegotiated each year. And you raised a great point, if for those of you who haven't followed it, but The situation right now with smelters where they can't Yes. Concentrate to process is a real strong indicator of where this market is and where it's going.

Operator

I'll turn the call back to management for any closing remarks.

Speaker 1

We appreciate it everyone. If there are any follow ups, you feel free to call David and we're available to continue to discuss We'll report to you our progress throughout the year.

Speaker 2

Yes. Thank you for joining us today and everyone have a great day.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes our call for today. Thank you for your participation and you may now disconnect.

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Key Takeaways

  • Indonesia operations: Grasberg’s underground ramp-up set records with Q4 copper & gold production >20% YoY and the greenfield Manyar smelter reached 90% completion, targeting full ramp-up by May 2024.
  • Americas leach initiative: Achieved a 200 Mlbs run-rate of incremental copper by end-2023 at minimal capital cost, with potential to scale to 400 Mlbs (and up to 800 Mlbs) over the next 2–3 years.
  • Financial performance: 2023 EBITDA of $8.8 bn and operating cash flow >$5 bn, Q4 EBITDA of $2.3 bn with net cash cost of $1.52/lb (zero in Indonesia after gold credits), and $860 mn returned to shareholders.
  • Copper market outlook: Despite macro headwinds, 2023 ended in a small physical deficit and inventories at historic lows, supporting expectations for higher copper prices as electrification demand grows.
  • Growth portfolio & capital discipline: Forecasting $3.6 bn of 2024 capex focused on brownfield expansions (Bagdad, Cerro Verde, Safford) and exploration, while maintaining a strong balance sheet and shareholder returns.
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