First of Long Island Q4 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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January 26, 2024

There are 5 speakers on the call.

Operator

Welcome to the First of Long Island Corporation's 4th Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. On the call today are Chris Becker, President and Chief Executive Officer and Janet Burnell, Senior Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Today's call is being recorded. A copy of the earnings release is available on the corporation's website at fnbli.com and on the earnings call webpage at https:www cstproxy.com/fnbli/earnings 2023Q4. Before we begin, the company would like to remind everyone that this call may contain certain statements that constitute forward looking statements made under the Safe Harbor provisions of the U.

Operator

S. Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Such statements are subject to risks, uncertainties and other factors that may cause actual results to differ materially from those contained in any such statements, including a set forth in the company's filings with the U. S. Securities and Exchange Commission.

Operator

Investors should also refer to our 2022 10 ks filed on March 9, 2023, and supplemented by our 10 Q for the quarter ended September 30, 2023, for a list of risk factors that cause actual results to differ materially from those indicated or implied by such statements. I would now like to turn the floor over to Chris Becker.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Good afternoon, and welcome to the First of Long Island Corporation's earnings call for the Q4 year end of 2023. I'm proud to say key aspects of our transformation strategy, which began in 2020, are largely in the rearview. The bank has a fresh look, top notch technology, innovative partnerships, a more efficient branch network, bankers focused on commercial relationship growth, a proven history of strong asset quality, all of which is underpinned By a strong capital position with leverage and tangible capital ratios of 10.1% and 9%, respectively. Combined with optimism about short term rates moving lower, especially for a bank that remains generally liability sensitive, We entered 2024 with a bright outlook for the future.

Speaker 1

As reported in our Q1 2023 earnings call, We proactively completed 2 balance sheet repositioning transactions that converted approximately $450,000,000 of fixed rate assets to floating rates to lessen our liability sensitivity. These two transactions were generating over $2,000,000 in quarterly pre tax earnings As we entered 2024. It was the right move in our early 2023. As we considered similar transactions throughout the remainder of the year. The benefit of rates staying flat or moving up did not outweigh the risk of rates moving down.

Speaker 1

We will consider additional strategies for 2024. But based on the current sentiment for rates, we believe we have struck an appropriate balance, So our net interest margin can begin to bounce back nicely as short term rates come down. The technology upgrades announced in the summer of 2022 are built, tested and planned to go live in February 2024. Upgrades to our technology include Fiserv's DNA core processing system, Business Online Banking, Business Mobile App, Branch Platform and Teller Systems, biometric identification and paper eliminating efficiencies. I cannot thank our team enough for their outstanding work and dedication to this project.

Speaker 1

We believe our new best in class systems will enhance customer experience and provide our bankers with the tools needed to service our clients and generate new relationship based business. The transition to a more commercially focused institution that began in 2020, continued to make progress in 2023, Thanks to the hard work of our commercial lending teams and their branch partners. A key component of this objective Is growing our commercial and industrial loan and owner occupied mortgage business. This combined relationship based portfolio Has increased 12% per year on average since 2020 and our total commercial loan portfolio has grown a $500,000,000 over the same period. Other moves such as consolidating our back office operations into a new administrative headquarters, Selling vacated buildings, closing branches and adjusting branch hours are all starting to pay dividends.

Speaker 1

Refreshing our brand and building a social media presence or getting the bank noticed. We believe the bank is now a much better company With a solid footing, both physically and digitally. Our team is 25% smaller than it was just 4 years ago, but much more adept at meeting today's challenges. Janet Brunell will now take you through financial highlights of the full year and Q4. Janet.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Chris. Good afternoon, everyone. Net income for 2023 totaled 20 $6,200,000 and fully diluted earnings per share or $1.16 The company's return on average assets was 0.62% and its return on average equity was 7.14%. Our performance for 2023 did not match up to the record net income and fully diluted earnings per share performance the company produced in 2022 of 46,900,000 and $2.04 respectively. In 2022, ROA was 1.11% and ROE was 12.13%.

Speaker 2

The overwhelming reason for the decline in earnings was the drop in net interest margin to 2.16% in 2023 from 2.89% in 2022. The pace of decline in the net interest margin has slowed significantly throughout 2023 with the quarterly margin declining 57 basis points in the first excluding net losses on sales of securities, pension credits and other one time items, was relatively flat when comparing 20232022. The bank's non interest expense for 2023 of $54,000,000 decreased $3,000,000 from $67,000,000 in 2022. Salaries and employee benefits declined by $3,700,000 mostly due to lower incentive and stock based compensation expense as the bank fell short of its performance metrics this year, an increase of over $700,000 in FDIC insurance expense due to higher assessment rates partially offset the savings and incentive compensation. The bank's effective tax rate was 11% for 2023, down from 19.4% in 2022.

Speaker 2

The decline in the effective tax rate was due to an increase in the percentage of pre tax income derived from the bank's Real Estate Investment Trust and the bank owned life insurance. Net income for the Q4 of 2023 totaled $6,100,000 down $741,000 from the linked quarter. The decrease was mostly due to lower net interest income of $1,500,000 resulting from alternative higher priced funding that replaced seasonal deposit outflows. Additionally, The provision for credit losses increased $1,100,000 as $1,160,000 in net charge offs were partially offset by net improvements and various qualitative and quantitative factors in our ACL model. These items were partially offset by lower salaries and employee benefits expense and lower income tax expense for the same reasons mentioned previously for the full year of 2023.

Speaker 2

The bank's net interest margin was 2% in the 4th quarter compared to 2.13% in the linked quarter. The 13 point decrease in the net interest margin in the 4th quarter was largely due to seasonal outflow of lower cost non maturity deposits being replaced by higher wholesale funding costs. The bank's quarterly non interest income was $2,400,000 which is with prior guidance and prior quarters. The bank's non interest expense decreased $1,400,000 to $14,800,000 compared to the linked quarter. The decline is mostly attributable to lower incentive and stock based compensation expense, the same reason as for the full year.

Speaker 2

Net income for the Q4 of 2023 was down $3,800,000 compared to the Q4 of 2022. The decrease was mainly attributable to the reasons cited with respect to the year over year linked quarter changes, including a $7,800,000 decline in net interest income, an increase in the provision for credit losses of $818,000 a decline in salaries and employee benefits expense of $2,700,000 and a decline in income tax expense of 1,700,000 The yield curve has been inverted for approximately 18 months, one of the longest periods in history and it continues to make it difficult for banks to utilize their Excess Capital to leverage the balance sheet. As far as the balance sheet is concerned, on the asset side, the bank continues to deploy approximately $80,000,000 to $90,000,000 in quarterly cash flows from our securities and loan portfolios into new assets at current market rates. The bank has approximately $860,000,000 or 21 percent of interest earning assets maturing or repricing within 1 year, but remains On the liability side of the balance sheet, pricing pressure continued through year end. Although the bank priced competitively to maintain deposit balances, Total deposits on a linked quarter declined 4.85 percent to $3,300,000,000 mostly due to seasonally lower municipal and tax escrow deposits.

Speaker 2

The deposits were replaced by overnight borrowings and FHLB advances. The bank's total wholesale funding including brokered deposits was $648,700,000 or 15% of total assets on December 1st, 2023 and had a weighted average cost of funds of 4.66% and an average maturity of 6 months. In addition, the bank has $352,000,000 in retail time deposits that mature in 2024 with an average cost of funds of 4.2%. As this funding matures in the coming quarters, we anticipate some final additional upward cost pressure. However, management believes additional interest expense from liability repricing will be largely offset by additional income as asset cash flows reprice higher leading to margin stabilization.

Speaker 2

Once the Federal Reserve begins to lower short term rates, We believe margin expansion should follow shortly thereafter. Liquidity indicators remain ample. We maintained $1,100,000,000 in collateralized borrowing lines with the Federal Home Loan Bank of New York and the Federal Reserve Bank. We also had $386,000,000 in unencumbered cash and securities. In total, we had approximately $1,500,000,000 of available liquidity at the end of the quarter, which is well in excess of our uninsured and on collateralized deposits.

Speaker 2

The bank did not repurchase any shares during 2023. We still have approximately $15,000,000 authorized under the most recent Board approved stock repurchase plan and given our strong capital levels likely will resume the buyback a program in 2024. Chris will talk a little bit now about 2024. Chris?

Speaker 1

Thanks, Janet. In preparing for today's remarks, I reviewed our Q4 2022 earnings call, which included forward looking challenges for 2023. I specifically cited the Federal Reserve's increases in interest rates have not been at this pace in over 40 years, putting downward pressure On the bank's net interest margin, we projected a lower margin. I mentioned the political and regulatory message of removing so called junk fees is limiting the bank's ability to charge for the fundamental services we provide. We projected non interest income of $2,500,000 per quarter in 2023.

Speaker 1

I stated that regulatory oversight continues to pile on operational costs no matter an institution size, but management efforts to create efficiencies through branch and back office consolidations have kept expense growth in check. We projected non interest expenses between $16,500,000 $17,000,000 per quarter in 2023. As we all know now, the Federal Reserve increased rates 4 more times during 2023, putting more pressure on our net interest margin than anticipated. Backing out our net loss on sales of securities, we were spot on with our 2023 projected non interest income averaging close $2,500,000 per quarter. And while thousands of more pages of regulatory guidance were issued, Our non interest expenses came in lower than projected, principally due to lower incentive compensation expense.

Speaker 1

Other than incentive compensation, Non interest expenses were in line with 2023 projections. Let's consider these same three areas as we enter 2024. First, our net interest margin. Our 2024 projections include the Federal Reserve beginning to lower rates during the second half of the year. As Janet reported, our net interest margin in the Q4 of 2023 was 2%.

Speaker 1

We currently believe there will be downward pressure during the Q1 of 2024 with the leveling out during the Q2 of the year. During the 3rd and 4th quarters of 2024, we are projecting The net interest margin to begin to recover as short term rates begin to come down. Our current thinking is consistent with my comments during our Q3 earnings call That the margin should bottom out over the next two quarters, referring to the Q4 of 2023 and the Q1 of 2024. Next, our non interest income. During 2023, we fine tuned our business checking account analysis program and adjusted service charges on consumer checking accounts to encourage more debit card and e statement usage.

Speaker 1

These changes should produce some additional fee income in 2024 and as such, we are projecting non interest income to average $2,600,000 per quarter in 2024. Lastly, our non interest expenses. Even though we are investing in new technology, our continued success with our branch optimization plan, back office consolidations, selling vacated buildings, and eliminating our residential mortgage group among other initiatives have reduced our run rate of non interest expenses. We are projecting non interest expenses to average $6,250,000 per quarter in 2024 or $250,000 to $500,000 lower than 2023 guidance. Please note that our non interest income and non interest expense guidance our averages and quarterly variance are likely.

Speaker 1

With that, I will turn it back to our operator for questions.

Operator

Thank you. Our first question for today comes from Chris O'Connell from KBW. Chris, please proceed with your question.

Speaker 3

Hi. Yes. Just on the last item on the guide, you said 6.25, that Seems low.

Speaker 1

16.25? Yes, sorry.

Speaker 3

Okay, Great. And that's helpful. And does the compensation line, is that Kind of reset back to normal immediately for the Q1?

Speaker 1

Yes, it will reset back to normal for the 1st quarter and but we do have some efficiencies going in there as from some of the branch consolidations, the back office consolidations, our computer upgrades and such, and just from the work we've done throughout the year on staffing in the branches. So we Realize an entire year's benefit of that in 2024.

Speaker 3

Great. And then on the margin, I mean it sounds like maybe down a little bit in the Q1, but the pace That should probably slow based on the funding costs kind of having a little bit less pressure into the Q1 and some of the deposits maybe coming back in on seasonality.

Speaker 1

Yes. If you look at the Q4 with some of the deposit outflows, which were the bulk of that was some municipal deposit outflows. And In November December each year, we pay out from our escrow accounts the real estate tax bills. So That number alone was $35,000,000 And with those outflows and as Janet mentioned, That money going into overnight borrowings, that's more expensive. That obviously pushed down the 4th quarter margin a little bit.

Speaker 1

So far, we've already brought $35,000,000 back in this Q1. So that will also help relieve some of

Speaker 3

And regarding the second half of the year with FedCuts. Maybe you guys could provide a little bit of color as to how you see the margin reacting depending on the level or the pace of bed cuts and how much kind of upward mobility it has.

Speaker 2

Okay. So for every 25 basis points that the Fed cuts, over time, we're predicting that The marginal improved 4 to 5 basis points. Again, this is over time, depends obviously on many factors, but that's where we're projecting it to increase.

Speaker 3

Great. And last one for me, just what's a good go forward tax rate for 2024?

Speaker 2

So, looking at between 12% 13% for the next year. Some of the benefits of the REIT are capping out, So, it's going up slightly.

Operator

Our next question comes from Alex Twerdahl of Piper Sandler. Alex, please proceed with your question.

Speaker 4

Hey, good afternoon.

Speaker 1

Hey, good afternoon, Alice.

Speaker 2

Hi, Alex.

Speaker 4

Hi. I just wanted to I guess I'll start with sort of the outlook for the loan portfolio. Obviously, you guys have plenty of capital, liquidity, obviously, not as much and maybe that's a little more strain. But as you kind of Set yourself up for potential rate cuts and maybe some easing liquidity, Funding costs, do you think we could see a little bit more loan growth in 2024?

Speaker 1

We do think there will be some growth in 2024. We don't think it's going to be as robust as we would all like, We do think that there'll be some lower single digit loan growth during this year. Last year loans were Pretty flat throughout the year to down and with some hopefully some rate relief. And really you've already seen some of that because you've seen 5 10 year rates come to our core for their high. So that does also provide some rate relief as the loan rates are pricing off more of That end of the curve.

Speaker 1

So we're anticipating to see some additional volume. The Pipeline at the end of the year was not overly robust, about $100,000,000 at year end, but there There's certainly some more conversations going on and some more activity. So we're encouraged that that pipeline is going to grow.

Speaker 4

Got it. And I think in the past, you've given us sort of the average yield on the pipeline. Are you able to provide that?

Speaker 1

The pipeline is always difficult, right, because it's floating kind of with the rates moving every day. But I can tell you that the loan closings that we had in the 4th quarter, it was right The yield was right around 7%. So it should be pretty much in line with that, shouldn't stray too much from that. Great.

Speaker 4

I just wanted to ask you, how you guys are thinking about the dividend going forward?

Speaker 2

Well, we look at the dividend obviously every quarter. We analyze it and right now we're expecting that will continue to pay the dividend going forward.

Speaker 4

Yes, at the current level, because I know you guys have a pretty extensive history of increasing the dividend And it's something that probably has given you a lot of

Speaker 1

I don't

Speaker 4

see people rely on it, but it's a nice streak. Is that a consideration? Is it really going to take it sort of 1 quarter at a time and Look at it from a payout ratio standpoint and from a capital standpoint.

Speaker 1

We appreciate that I think our shareholders appreciate that streak. Our Board of Directors appreciate that streak. And Again, in an environment like this, you look at it quarter by quarter, but obviously our Board declared the 4th Quarter dividend to keep it going, we just paid that out in early January. And so at this point, they've committed to continue to pay the quarterly dividend. But last year, we did not have an increase.

Speaker 1

We usually do One increase a year. Last year, we did keep the quarterly dividend flat at the $0.21 a share.

Speaker 4

Okay. And then I guess, Janet, I think you said in your prepared remarks that buybacks will be back on the table in the near term. Can you just give us a sense for sort of what would trigger buybacks or Capital levels that you feel comfortable with and things like that?

Speaker 2

Capital levels, the capital ratio is at 10%. So we're going to analyze that each quarter, Take a look at it and if there's room for buybacks, like we said, we didn't do any last year. We'll definitely based on where we project earnings to go for the year, we do have to watch that. We would consider buying back, but I don't think we have a number at this point. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1

I think we've talked before that as a national bank, we do watch our dividend ability to Dividend money up to the holding company based on the prior 2 years retained earnings in the current year. So we do monitor that also. So that's also something that could be a little bit of a governor on how much money We dividend up to the holding company. So that's why it's kind of a quarter by quarter item that we have to consider.

Speaker 4

Understood. And then just wanted to ask about the sort of the pickup in NPLs this quarter. If you can give us a little bit more color on something that is Notably uncharacteristic for you guys.

Speaker 1

Yes, absolutely. So unfortunately, we seem to have any LPLs that seems to come up. So we actually have A grand total of about $1,000,000 in non accruals. There was one C and I relationship that we took the charge $1,400,000 charge off in the 4th quarter. It was a business that generally had longer term fixed rate contracts and That created some losses due to pandemic price increases and delays and such.

Speaker 1

And we take proactive steps to resolve that and do it quickly. But we charge that charge down as a partial charge off. There's still about a $600,000 balance on that loan, which we have fully reserved for, but that's $600,000 is part of that. And then we have one small residential mortgage, just over a little over $300,000 that's in that's Part of an estate, so we're not concerned about that. And then there's a even smaller, less than $100,000 SBA SBA guaranteed small business line that is in that list.

Speaker 1

So the grand total Is 3 loans in there, all below $1,000,000 And in the total, it is $1,000,000

Speaker 4

Really appreciate taking my questions. Thanks.

Speaker 1

All right. Thank you, Al.

Operator

This concluded our question and answer session. I will now turn the floor back to Chris Becker for closing comments.

Speaker 1

Thank you for your attention I want to reassure our loyal shareholders that the Board of Directors and management team are focused on returning to and improving on our historical performance metrics. We look forward to talking to you at the end of the Q1. Have a good rest of the day.

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