NYSE:CSR Centerspace Q3 2024 Earnings Report $61.30 -0.79 (-1.26%) Closing price 03:59 PM EasternExtended Trading$61.37 +0.07 (+0.12%) As of 05:17 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast Centerspace EPS ResultsActual EPS-$0.40Consensus EPS $1.17Beat/MissMissed by -$1.57One Year Ago EPS$1.20Centerspace Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$65.03 millionExpected Revenue$66.35 millionBeat/MissMissed by -$1.32 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/ACenterspace Announcement DetailsQuarterQ3 2024Date10/28/2024TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateTuesday, October 29, 2024Conference Call Time10:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsCenterspace's Q2 2025 earnings is scheduled for Monday, August 4, 2025, with a conference call scheduled on Tuesday, July 29, 2025 at 10:00 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)SEC FilingEarnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Centerspace Q3 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrOctober 29, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 12 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:13I will now hand you over to your host, Josh Plait at CenterSpace to begin. Josh, please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:25Good morning. CenterSpace's Form 10 Q for the quarter ended September 30, 2024 was filed with the SEC yesterday after the market closed. Additionally, our earnings release and supplemental disclosure package have been posted to our website at centerspacehomes.com and filed on Form 8 ks. It's important to note that today's remarks will include statements about our business outlook and other forward looking statements that are based on management's current views and assumptions. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties discussed in our filing under the section titled Risk Factors and in our other filings with the SEC. Speaker 100:01:01We cannot guarantee that any forward looking statements will materialize and you're cautioned not to place undue reliance on these forward looking statements. Please refer to our earnings release for reconciliations of any non GAAP information, which may be discussed on today's call. I'll now turn it over to CenterSpace's President and CEO, Anne Olson, for the company's prepared remarks. Speaker 200:01:24Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining CenterSpace's 3rd quarter earnings call. With me this morning are Baharaz Patel, our Chief Financial Officer and Grant Campbell, our Senior Vice President of Investments and Capital Markets. Before taking your questions, we will briefly cover our results and discuss our outlook for the remainder of 2024. We have a lot of good news to share, starting with earnings of $1.18 per share of core FFO for the 3rd quarter, driven by stable revenue growth and expense control initiatives. We continue to improve and simplify our balance sheet and subsequent to quarter end, we expanded our presence in the Denver market with the purchase of the Libyan, which we acquired with a combination of attractive long term assumed mortgage debt and the issuance of OP units at a premium to our stock price. Speaker 200:02:13Graham will share more about that transaction momentarily. Rob will discuss our quarterly results, but I want to provide some details on leasing trends. For the Q3, same store revenue increased 3% over the same period in 2023. We are proud of this growth on top of the 2023 growth we achieved, which was at the high end of the multifamily public peer group. Same store new lease trade outs are seasonally slowing, down 1.2%, while renewal leases increased by 3.2%, resulting in 1.5% blended lease increases for the quarter. Speaker 200:02:49Importantly, we achieved these results while also increasing occupancy to 95.3%, which is a 70 basis point improvement over the same period last year. Maintaining occupancy above 95% has been an objective for us and that focus does have a trade off relative to new lease pricing. I'll caution against extrapolating our quarter over quarter leasing results given both the seasonality and our prioritization of occupancy. Much of our portfolio footprint has experienced lower supply than national averages and our results benefited from that during the quarter. North Dakota communities continue to lead the portfolio with blended spreads of 5.4%, while our Nebraska communities also saw strong blended growth at 3.3%. Speaker 200:03:36I'd like to highlight our largest market of Minneapolis, where we recognized 1.2% blended rent increases. Minneapolis once again ranked among the strongest absorption markets nationally in the quarter. After several years of outside supply here, the recent absorption and lower anticipated future deliveries should act as a tailwind for our portfolio. Resident retention remains elevated at over 58% for the quarter, which has helped drive occupancy and bolsters our blended leasing spreads during the seasonally slower months. Resident health remains strong, though up slightly from last year, bad debt year to date is trending similar to historical norms and rent to income levels remain sustainable at 23%. Speaker 200:04:21Renting compared to the increased cost of homeownership remains a compelling value for our residents across our markets. As a reflection of our operating results and our capital markets activity, we are raising the midpoint of our full year core FFO guidance by a penny to $4.86 per share. While our revenue results have trended to the low end of our initial guidance expectations for 2024, there are offsets on the expense side that results in positive NOI growth and we are getting that to the bottom line. These include items directly related to revenue such as lower utility expense and turnover costs as well as savings from leveraging technology and centralizing certain property management functions. In the Q3, we issued approximately 1.5 1,000,000 shares on our ATM, raising $105,000,000 Proceeds were used to redeem the entirety of our Series C preferred shares. Speaker 200:05:15The opportunity to both simplify our capital structure and improve our balance sheet, while improving cash flow and share liquidity was attractive. But we are mindful of our valuation and intend to remain disciplined about our capital markets activities. As we sit today, we feel very well positioned to advance our vision to be a premier provider of apartment homes and vibrant communities and drive consistent earnings growth for our investors. Part of that vision includes a new community, the Lydian. And I'll turn things over to Grant to discuss that acquisition and the transaction market more broadly. Speaker 200:05:48Grant? Speaker 300:05:49Thanks, Ann, and good morning. Earlier this month, we completed the acquisition of the Lydian in Denver. This 129 home community also features 23,000 square feet of fully leased commercial and street level retail space with front door access to a light rail station. The 2018 built property is located within 1.5 miles of 3 other center space communities, providing opportunity to leverage our geographically proximate operating platform and broader Denver portfolio scale. We are excited to add the Lydian to our portfolio and introduce our operating platform with implementation of best practices. Speaker 300:06:29After execution of our business plan, we expect the community to generate an NOI yield in the mid to high 5% range. Bolidian also provided us the financial structure that advanced external growth at attractive terms. Specifically, our purchase was funded via the assumption of attractive long term mortgage debt with a balance of $35,000,000 at a 3.72% interest rate maturing in 2,037. Along with the issuance of common operating partnership units at $76.42 per unit. Additionally, the community is part of a tax increment financing district where we anticipate receiving over $6,000,000 of principal and interest payments funded by the real estate taxes we pay on the property over the duration of the TIF agreement. Speaker 300:07:19Looking at the transaction market more broadly, we continue to see thawing in the market with both a smaller gap between buyer and seller expectations and higher levels of conviction from buyers leading to increased liquidity and investor demand. Our belief is transaction volume will continue increasing and more actionable opportunities will present themselves to the market as we move into 2025. We want to take advantage of growth opportunities when they align with our strategic initiatives. On the pricing side, well located higher quality communities in markets such as Denver have recently been trading at 4.75% to 5% cap rates. With 23% of our NOI coming from this market, this highlights the attractive relative valuation at which our stock currently trades. Speaker 300:08:08Demand for apartments remains strong and on the supply side, we are past the peak of new deliveries in each of our largest markets and construction starts have declined materially. As all our markets move into the net absorption phase with deliveries tapering, we are excited for our future growth potential. And with that, I'll turn it over to Bhirav to discuss our overall financial results and outlook for the remainder of 2024. Speaker 400:08:34Thanks, Grant, and good morning, everyone. Last night, we reported core FFO of $1.18 per diluted share for the Q3, driven by a 2.8% year over year increase in same store NOI. Revenues from same store communities increased by 3% compared to the Q3 of 2023, driven by a 2.2% increase in revenue per occupied home and a 70 basis point year over year increase in weighted average occupancy, which stood at 95.3% for the quarter. Same store expenses were up by 3.2% year over year, driven by higher non controllable expenses with non reimbursable losses and insurance premiums as the primary drivers of year over year growth. Controllable expenses growth remained muted, up only 80 basis points compared to Q3 last year, as savings in repairs and maintenance and on-site compensation were offset by increased administrative and marketing spend. Speaker 400:09:30Turning to guidance, we updated our 2024 expectations in last night's press release. We now expect core FFO of $4.86 at the midpoint, which is an increase of $0.01 compared to our prior expectations and an increase of $0.06 versus our initial guidance released in February. We are maintaining the midpoint of year over year same store NOI growth guidance at 3.5%, while lowering our expectations for both revenue growth and expense growth. With market rents softening more than expected, same store revenues are now projected to increase 3% to 3.5% for the year. The decline in revenue is projected to be offset by lower growth in same store expenses, which are now projected to increase by 2.5% to 3.25%. Speaker 400:10:14Moving on to other components of guidance, we now expect G and A and property management expenses for the year to range between $26,500,000 to $27,000,000 and interest expense to range between $37,300,000 to 37,600,000 Increased interest expense was primarily driven by the debt assumed in conjunction with the Lydian acquisition. Our expectations regarding value add spend and same store recurring CapEx per unit are unchanged. After the Lydian, no additional acquisitions, dispositions, issuances or borrowings are factored into our guidance. On the capital front, as Anne noted, we have taken a series of steps to further strengthen our balance sheet. We sold nearly 1,600,000 shares year to date under our ATM program, raising gross proceeds of nearly $114,000,000 These proceeds were used to both retire the Series C preferred and decrease the balance on our line of credit. Speaker 400:11:09While we will always be mindful of the impact of equity issuance, the coupon and interest rate respectively on these were both in the mid to high 6% range. Issuing equity in a manner that improved both our cash flow per share and our leverage profile was a logical choice. The redemption of the Series C preferred alone is expected to increase our cash flow per year by roughly $2,300,000 based on the implied dividend yield of approximately 4.2% on our common stock relative to the 6.6% coupon on the preferred stock we redeemed. Combined with the recast of our line of credit, which we announced last quarter, we have a well laddered debt maturity schedule that pro form a for the Lydian acquisition has a weighted average cost of 3.61 percent and a weighted average time to maturity of 5.9 years. To conclude, it was a very active and productive quarter across the board. Speaker 400:12:00We achieved strong operating results, strengthened our balance sheet, simplified our capital structure and expanded our portfolio in one of our desired markets. We look forward to sustaining this momentum as we close out 2024. And with that, I will turn the line back to the operator for your questions. Operator00:12:21Thank you very much. Our first question comes from Brad Heffern with RBC Capital Markets. Brad, your line is now open. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:12:47Yes. Thank you. Good morning, everyone. You mentioned market rents softening more than expected. Is that also a greater softening than the normal seasonal trend? Speaker 500:12:56And what would you attribute that to? Speaker 200:13:02Good morning, Brad. Thanks. I think we it is more than we expected, more than the seasonal expectation that we had, just slightly more. As you know, we always expect that they soften at this time of the year. Year. Speaker 200:13:16They happened a little bit earlier. We talked about that last quarter. We really saw the peak leasing in May. And I think we attribute it mostly to the supply demand. And this is just against our expectations. Speaker 200:13:28But I think as we look at across our markets, we believe that the rents we're getting are at market. We're using not very many concessions. So we feel good about where they are. I think our expectations for the year were just a little bit higher. Speaker 500:13:48Okay. Got it. And then maybe for Bharat, just looking at the new revenue growth guidance, it implies a pretty substantial drop 3Q to 4Q, something like going from 3 to 1.6 plus or minus. Year over year comps actually look a little easier and I assume you don't have many leases expiring anyway. So I'm just curious what would lead to that large of a drop. Speaker 400:14:15Yes. Good morning, Brad. So with respect to revenue guidance, at the midpoint, we would expect to report about 0.5% to 3% for revenue growth. At the midpoint, our blended assumption is really flat for the quarter. On a year over year basis, we do expect some rubs favorability, as we have baked in a slightly higher utilities cost in our Q4 numbers. Speaker 400:14:44And additionally, we also have less concessions we expect to utilize in this quarter as we bolster occupancy going into it. So overall, the 1 point 3%, 1.5% NOI growth at the midpoint is really driven by expenses, mainly on the non controllable side with insurance premiums and losses expected to be pretty high compared to last year. Speaker 500:15:09Okay. And then last for me, do you have any preliminary read on the October leasing stats? Speaker 200:15:19Yes. We it's very early in the month. We are cut off. We usually allow some time after a date. So there I think reflected in the guidance as Bharat said, we did bring the revenue down. Speaker 200:15:34We do believe that the blended will be flat. So new leases have remained slightly negative and renewals have remained slightly positive. Speaker 500:15:48Okay. Thank you. Operator00:15:52Thank you. Our next question is from John Kim with BMO. John, your line is now open. Please go ahead. Speaker 600:16:01Thank you. So for your Q3 lease results, just trying to isolate September, it looks like new lease rates were down 3%, renewals below 3% blended of roughly plus 80 basis points. And now you're saying that it's going to go flat or expected to go flat in the Q4. So what components between new leases and renewals are driving that number lower? Speaker 400:16:36Hey, John. So with respect to 4th quarter's expectations, we expect renewals to average somewhere in the mid-2s and we expect new leases to average a negative mid-two rate on the trade outs. That's why it's balancing our expectation with respect to renewals is 50%. That's what's driving our base case expectations. Speaker 100:17:06And do you have a view Speaker 600:17:08on what your earn in is going to be for next year or is it too early to determine? Speaker 400:17:17It's we're working through it at this point. The earn in for this year is close to 2.4%. With respect to next year, it's going to be less than 1% at this point, but we're working through our estimates and that can change as leasing trends evolve. Speaker 600:17:39Just really quickly on the Denver acquisition, you guys mentioned a mid to high 5% yield once you stabilize the asset under your new platform. How long will it take to get to that level? And if you can comment on the going in cap rate? Speaker 300:17:59Yes. Good morning, John. This is Grant. From a going in perspective, NOI yield there is a blended 5. We think the operational best practices and operating initiatives that we alluded to in the prepared remarks. Speaker 300:18:15Some of those are first 90 to 120 day items in terms of the service that we provide to the residents on a day to day basis. And then there's other items related to things like potential property tax savings, mark to market rents as you roll through the lease expiration schedule that will take 12 to 18 months. So kind of 2 different buckets, but really looking at kind of 18 months for holistic implementation. Speaker 600:18:48Okay, great. Thanks everyone. Operator00:18:53Our next question is from Connor Mitchell with Piper Sandler. Connor, your line is now open. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:19:03Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. So it sounds like retention rates might be a little bit higher in the quarter than they have previously. Could you just kind of give us more color on why you might think that the retention rates are higher? What might be driving them this year or the quarter? Speaker 700:19:20And then finally, just do you guys plan on disclosing turnover or retention in the supplemental in the future? Speaker 200:19:31That's a good question, Connor. We are always looking for ways to enhance our supplemental. So we'll note that down, and consider that for future publications. With respect to the retention rates being higher, we're in month 2018 of seeing higher retention rates across last year. They were slightly higher and year to date, they've been higher. Speaker 200:19:54We've also seen the traffic pattern. It's showing that people are looking earlier than they had been in the past. And so I think some of that is more choice in the market, right? Supply has people out looking and making decisions a little bit earlier. And then also, we have seen a pretty dramatic drop across the industry in people leaving to buy homes. Speaker 200:20:18And with the high cost of housing, renting as a necessity is affecting more a larger percentage of the population. And we have a lot of renters in that category. Our average rents are right around $1600 just below $1600 So most of our residents where 2 or 3 years ago or pre COVID may have been looking to move out to buy a house, that percentage was about 25%. That's fall into 12% to 15% post COVID. So I think that is impacting our retention rates. Speaker 700:20:57Okay. And then just kind of along the same lines, as you kind of think about the retention rates and balance renewals with new leases, could you guys just give us some color on kind of how you think about pricing renewals, whether that's all the way up to markets or maybe partially just to offset any leasing costs for new leases instead? Any color you might have there would be helpful. Speaker 200:21:27Yes, sure Connor. We take the approach that lease new renewal pricing goes out 75 days before the renewal actually happens. And during that time, we want to make that price competitive, but it really depends property by property and lease by lease how far that individual resident is away from market. So if they're only 5% away from market, we might take that renewal all the way to market. If they're 20% away from market, they might go up 10%. Speaker 200:21:57If they're above market, they might be coming down slightly. So we want to make that renewal pricing attractive both because it offsets turn costs, but also because having those renewals committed to having people that are committing to staying there helps us set the new lease pricing in order to maximize total overall revenue. So if we really push hard on renewals, we risk that less people renew and then new lease pricing softens more. So we really take the approach that we're trying to maximize overall revenue. We do factor in that there are costs associated with turning the residents. Speaker 200:22:37And so we're really focused on getting the best resident experience to make them want to stay with us and also providing the best value when we approach pricing. Speaker 700:22:50Okay, very helpful. And then maybe just one quick one for Bharat as well. You guys talked about like forecasting utilities, which drives expenses and revenue for rubs. Just kind of a big picture. Wondering, when you guys are looking at the forecasted utilities, does it essentially net out for earnings? Speaker 700:23:13Or how impactful might we think about it for earnings in terms of revenue and expenses to the bottom line? Speaker 400:23:24Sure. So with respect to utilities, we passed through 80% of gas utilities and most of the other utilities costs. So for the most part, we feel like we're hedged, although when you look at our P and L, you'll see revenues coming through in the form of RUPS and the expenses going up in the form of utilities expenses. So there is a gross up on the income statement. But for the most part, given the amount we charge through, we feel like we're pretty well hedged, especially on the gas rub side, which we rolled out about a year, year and a half ago, where we passed 380% of the cost. Speaker 800:24:05Okay. Thank you very much. Operator00:24:11Our next question comes from Cooper Clark with Wells Fargo. Cooper, your line is now open. Please go ahead. Speaker 900:24:20Hello. Thank you for taking the question. Just wanted to ask about some of the moving pieces as it relates to your insurance renewal coming up in mid to late November. Wondering what type of growth you're expecting and how much wildfire concerns in Denver may have an impact? Speaker 400:24:43Good morning, Cooper. Yes, we are in the final stages for renewal. We don't really have any definitive color to provide. Initially, we had expected a pretty favorable renewal cycle. However, some of the recent activity, especially the storms in Florida may have an impact as carriers are kind of estimating their exposure there. Speaker 400:25:07We haven't heard anything specific about the wildfires in Denver yet, although we are waiting with a bit of breath to find out what the renewal looks like. Early indications were, again, as I said, very favorable, but the recent activity may have some impact. But hopefully, we'll be able to report something on that front soon. We do renew in the next month or so. So we are in the final stages of that. Speaker 900:25:36Awesome. Thank you. And then just as one follow-up, wondering if you could provide an update on where bad debt was for the quarter and any color on certain markets where you may have more elevated levels of bad debt? Speaker 400:25:54Certainly. For the Q3, we were about 40 5 to 50 basis points in terms of bad debt. From a year to date perspective, that puts us towards the high end of our expected range of 30 to 40 basis points, and we are expecting the same levels to continue. As we look across markets, there aren't really any broader trends to glean from any of our markets. I think it's just kind of relatively spread out across our markets and nothing specific with respect to a market or 2 that's worth noting. Speaker 900:26:32Awesome. Thank you. Operator00:26:38Our next question is from Rob Stevenson with Janney. Rob, your line is now open. Please go ahead. Speaker 800:26:46Good morning, guys. Anne, was the new lease growth of negative 1.2% in the 3rd quarter driven mainly by Minneapolis and Denver? Or was that fairly widespread across the portfolio and any markets where new lease growth was still meaningfully positive for you guys? Speaker 200:27:05Yes. Good morning, Rob. I'd say, we're still seeing a lot of strength in our North Dakota markets and across Nebraska. But generally, all the markets slow down right now. So the drivers are we are seeing a bigger decline in Denver, Minneapolis. Speaker 200:27:20And then Other Mountain West, typically the markets that had that's a market that's Rapid City and Billings where we saw tremendous lease growth during COVID. And so there has been some leveling out in that market that's led those to be a little more negative than others. But we are still seeing strong growth, really North Dakota, where we've had no supply, and then also across the Nebraska Speaker 300:27:45markets. Okay. Speaker 800:27:47And then what technology savings on the expense side are still left for you guys to realize? And how much additional spend over the next 18 months are you anticipating for your various tech programs going forward? Speaker 200:28:02Yes, that's a great question. We have really fully implemented all of the technology stack that we're currently looking at. So I'd say that from an expense side, that is behind us. The exception to that would be the SmartRent implementation, which we really consider value add. About 70% of our portfolio has the SmartRent implemented fully in it. Speaker 200:28:25And we plan to identify additional properties for 2025. So, but with respect to efficiencies on the operating side, really we're looking at adoption and then how our staffing models can change given the implementation and adoption of that technology. And like a lot of companies across the industry, we have centralized certain positions within our property teams. So rather than have an assistant community manager at every asset, we now have those in regional remote positions. So we're really trying to look forward and say what are the other impacts that the implementation that we did with technology, what do those have on staffing models, operations, data efficiencies and moving forward there. Speaker 200:29:15So we're still harnessing some of those. I think next year will be the we'll probably see a true full year of savings from staffing model implementation. Speaker 800:29:26Okay. That's great. And then, last one for me. Given your current NOI contribution from Denver post Lydian acquisition, how are you thinking about future acquisitions in that market? Are you going to be comfortable taking that up into the 30s like Minneapolis? Speaker 800:29:40And given your comments on cap rates in Denver, will you look to maybe sell an existing Denver asset in order to buy another one with more upside? And so how are you guys thinking about the optimal size and exposure of your Denver portfolio going Speaker 200:29:57forward? Yes. This is something we think a lot about. We are seeing more and more opportunities in Denver. With operations like we have in Minneapolis and Denver come opportunities. Speaker 200:30:08And while we like that, we really need true external growth like the Lydian, in other markets so that we could grow out of that. We are actively looking in markets across the Mountain West and seeking out opportunities. So ideally, we would like those market exposures to stay below 25%. But it's going to take us some time to work through that, both with external growth and how the portfolio has changed over time. So it might rise a little bit on its way to a stabilized maybe 20% to 25% of the portfolio. Speaker 800:30:46Okay. Thanks guys. Appreciate the time this morning. Operator00:30:51Our next question is from Michael Gorman with BTIG. Michael, your line is now open. Please go ahead. Speaker 1000:31:02Thanks. Good morning. Grant, if I could just go back to the Denver acquisition for a second. Is it possible to kind of break down as you talk about the improvement in the yield, kind of how much of that is directly in control of CenterSpace in terms of operating efficiencies? So how much is coming from the expense side versus that kind of mark to market piece that you spoke about? Speaker 1000:31:23And then I guess secondarily to that, how do you think about market rent growth as you talk about that improved yield? Is that baked in there at all as well? Speaker 300:31:38Yes. Good morning, Mike. Appreciate the question. Things like mark to market rents and potential tax savings that we alluded to. I think, 1, they are in our control, if you will, in the sense that we appeal taxes in the normal course on all assets and communities that we own. Speaker 300:32:01We think there's a very logical path to achieve some of these savings. Obviously, there's a counterparty there that we have to solicit feedback from, but we think there's a very logical path to achieve those savings. Mark to market rents, we've been fair to conservative in our underwriting of this asset. So for instance, our year 1 pro form a here has 1.5% to 1.75% kind of top line scheduled rent growth, which we think is a very measured target and base case scenario that perhaps we could outperform. The reason we've taken that approach is we do understand that we do have to work through lease expiration curve initiatives to kind of reposition that to our operating standards and our operating practices and we've tried to account for that in the underwriting. Speaker 300:33:01On the resident experience side, I think it's harder to put a metric on being present, providing high touch service, having a smile on your face. It's harder to put a number on that from a yield perspective and say this is what it's going to achieve. But we do know and do believe that's going to lead to higher retention levels, higher satisfaction of our residents, and we've been able to bake in those assumptions into the base case. So different buckets, different initiatives that we're focused on and we think in the aggregate those are the things that take it from that blended 5% yield that I talked about pro form a year 1 to that mid to high 5%. Speaker 1000:33:50Okay. Thanks for the detail there. And then maybe, Ann, I'm just trying to square some of the commentary here. It sounds like your markets are generally past the kind of the peak impact or at least the peak supply. So I'm just trying to understand as we think about the revenue picture here, are we seeing any signs of stress out of the tenants? Speaker 1000:34:13I know you talked about relatively strong renter base, but bad debt back half of the year is going to be higher. Definitely the revenue expectations are down. I mean, are there any other demand metrics or tenant health metrics that you're seeing maybe a little bit of additional stress, beyond just, any impact from supply? Speaker 200:34:36Thanks, Mike. I don't we don't believe so that we're seeing additional stress. So the rent to income levels have remained healthy. Our bad debt, well, it's ticked up slightly. I mean, we're still talking about 40 to 50 basis points. Speaker 200:34:52This is a really stable level that we could expect almost in any portfolio. I think relatively to other public peers much lower, bad debt. And I do want to call your attention to while we're past the peak of supply, there's still quite a bit of absorption to go. So we still do see some softening in the rents and not only just seasonality, but it has been a little softer as markets continue to absorb. As I mentioned, Minneapolis has been one of the leaders in absorption, but we're not all the way through it in that market either. Speaker 200:35:28So there still is a lot of vacancy in these markets, new projects that are still in lease up. But as we work through that into next year and then with the lack of deliveries, that really should be a tailwind for us. But overall, I think we aren't seeing any other demand drivers and or evidence in the data of any stress to the consumer and our residents. Speaker 1000:35:56Great. Thanks so much for the time. Operator00:36:02Thank you very much. Our next question comes from Mason Guo with Center Space. Mason, your line is now open. Please go ahead. Speaker 1100:36:24Hey, good morning, everyone. Can you talk more about what you're seeing in Denver, maybe on the new versus renewal rates and then the supply and demand outlook in your submarkets? Speaker 200:36:39Yes. Grant, why don't you go ahead and start with the supply picture with respect to the submarkets and then I can address what we're seeing on new and renewal in Denver? Speaker 300:36:55Good morning, Mason. I'll start real quick by topside kind of framing where we are in Denver. That is our target market with the highest levels of supply currently about 4.8% of existing stock under construction. That represents about 15,000 apartment homes. That percentage is down notably from 11% in 2023. Speaker 300:37:19And when we look at next 12 month deliveries, those are forecasted at 8,400 apartment homes, which is below 22 and 23 delivery levels in that market, which averaged about 11,000 and certainly below the past 12 months. When we look at our submarkets, continue to see higher levels of recent deliveries in certain urban pockets, along with higher levels of recent deliveries in 2024 in certain suburban pockets. Equitably, the East Metro, the Aurora area has had a lot of recent deliveries. We do not own communities there. Our submarkets feel relatively insulated compared to some of the other locations that have experienced large influx of product. Speaker 300:38:13If I think about the tech center, southern part of the metro where we own a community, a lot of that land is built out. Northern part of the metro, it's really isolated to a couple communities and a lot of situations where we own products. So feeling relatively insulated in the suburban markets and have seen that influx in the urban core in certain pockets. Speaker 200:38:42And Mason, as we look at the Denver data as an individual market, our occupancy there sits about 95%. We also have retention a little bit over 50% there. Our renewal rates, the trade outs kind of most recent full month would be slightly over 1, 1.2, 1.3. And the new lease trade outs are just slightly over 2. So, some differential there, but more renewals than new leases. Speaker 200:39:11And again, going into these quarters, it's a very small sample size given our lease expiration profile. Speaker 1100:39:21Thank you. And on expenses, are there any one time items this quarter that helped the moderation? Or are there unexpected for the rest of the year? Speaker 400:39:34Good morning, Mason. I'll take that one. So within OpEx, we had benefit from adjusting our health insurance reserve in the Q3. So that kind of did provide some positive variance. Now that's typical. Speaker 400:39:53We reassess our reserves throughout the year, but typically any adjustments are made in the Q3 or Q4. So although there is an impact there, it's also something that is typically expected around this time of the year when we adjust our reserves. Speaker 1100:40:11Thank you. Operator00:40:16Thank you very much. That concludes the Q and A session. I will now hand back to Anne for any closing remarks. Speaker 200:40:28I'd like to thank our teams for their outstanding efforts year to date, and I look forward to meeting with many of you in Las Vegas at the upcoming REIT World Convention. Thank you all for joining this morning, and have a great Tuesday.Read morePowered by Key Takeaways Strong Q3 operating results: Core FFO of $1.18 per share driven by same-store revenue growth of 3%, same-store NOI up 2.8%, and occupancy rising to 95.3% (70 bps year-over-year). Raised full-year guidance: Midpoint core FFO increased by $0.01 to $4.86, with same-store NOI growth target maintained at 3.5% while revenue outlook trimmed to 3%–3.5% and expense growth to 2.5%–3.25%. Denver expansion with Lydian acquisition: Added 129 units plus 23,000 sq ft retail, funded by assuming a $35 million mortgage at 3.72% and issuing OP units, and expects a stabilized NOI yield in the mid-to-high 5% range. Capital structure simplification: Issued ~1.6 million shares via ATM programs to raise $114 million, used to redeem all Series C preferred shares and reduce credit-line borrowings, lowering overall cost of capital. 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There are 12 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:13I will now hand you over to your host, Josh Plait at CenterSpace to begin. Josh, please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:25Good morning. CenterSpace's Form 10 Q for the quarter ended September 30, 2024 was filed with the SEC yesterday after the market closed. Additionally, our earnings release and supplemental disclosure package have been posted to our website at centerspacehomes.com and filed on Form 8 ks. It's important to note that today's remarks will include statements about our business outlook and other forward looking statements that are based on management's current views and assumptions. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties discussed in our filing under the section titled Risk Factors and in our other filings with the SEC. Speaker 100:01:01We cannot guarantee that any forward looking statements will materialize and you're cautioned not to place undue reliance on these forward looking statements. Please refer to our earnings release for reconciliations of any non GAAP information, which may be discussed on today's call. I'll now turn it over to CenterSpace's President and CEO, Anne Olson, for the company's prepared remarks. Speaker 200:01:24Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining CenterSpace's 3rd quarter earnings call. With me this morning are Baharaz Patel, our Chief Financial Officer and Grant Campbell, our Senior Vice President of Investments and Capital Markets. Before taking your questions, we will briefly cover our results and discuss our outlook for the remainder of 2024. We have a lot of good news to share, starting with earnings of $1.18 per share of core FFO for the 3rd quarter, driven by stable revenue growth and expense control initiatives. We continue to improve and simplify our balance sheet and subsequent to quarter end, we expanded our presence in the Denver market with the purchase of the Libyan, which we acquired with a combination of attractive long term assumed mortgage debt and the issuance of OP units at a premium to our stock price. Speaker 200:02:13Graham will share more about that transaction momentarily. Rob will discuss our quarterly results, but I want to provide some details on leasing trends. For the Q3, same store revenue increased 3% over the same period in 2023. We are proud of this growth on top of the 2023 growth we achieved, which was at the high end of the multifamily public peer group. Same store new lease trade outs are seasonally slowing, down 1.2%, while renewal leases increased by 3.2%, resulting in 1.5% blended lease increases for the quarter. Speaker 200:02:49Importantly, we achieved these results while also increasing occupancy to 95.3%, which is a 70 basis point improvement over the same period last year. Maintaining occupancy above 95% has been an objective for us and that focus does have a trade off relative to new lease pricing. I'll caution against extrapolating our quarter over quarter leasing results given both the seasonality and our prioritization of occupancy. Much of our portfolio footprint has experienced lower supply than national averages and our results benefited from that during the quarter. North Dakota communities continue to lead the portfolio with blended spreads of 5.4%, while our Nebraska communities also saw strong blended growth at 3.3%. Speaker 200:03:36I'd like to highlight our largest market of Minneapolis, where we recognized 1.2% blended rent increases. Minneapolis once again ranked among the strongest absorption markets nationally in the quarter. After several years of outside supply here, the recent absorption and lower anticipated future deliveries should act as a tailwind for our portfolio. Resident retention remains elevated at over 58% for the quarter, which has helped drive occupancy and bolsters our blended leasing spreads during the seasonally slower months. Resident health remains strong, though up slightly from last year, bad debt year to date is trending similar to historical norms and rent to income levels remain sustainable at 23%. Speaker 200:04:21Renting compared to the increased cost of homeownership remains a compelling value for our residents across our markets. As a reflection of our operating results and our capital markets activity, we are raising the midpoint of our full year core FFO guidance by a penny to $4.86 per share. While our revenue results have trended to the low end of our initial guidance expectations for 2024, there are offsets on the expense side that results in positive NOI growth and we are getting that to the bottom line. These include items directly related to revenue such as lower utility expense and turnover costs as well as savings from leveraging technology and centralizing certain property management functions. In the Q3, we issued approximately 1.5 1,000,000 shares on our ATM, raising $105,000,000 Proceeds were used to redeem the entirety of our Series C preferred shares. Speaker 200:05:15The opportunity to both simplify our capital structure and improve our balance sheet, while improving cash flow and share liquidity was attractive. But we are mindful of our valuation and intend to remain disciplined about our capital markets activities. As we sit today, we feel very well positioned to advance our vision to be a premier provider of apartment homes and vibrant communities and drive consistent earnings growth for our investors. Part of that vision includes a new community, the Lydian. And I'll turn things over to Grant to discuss that acquisition and the transaction market more broadly. Speaker 200:05:48Grant? Speaker 300:05:49Thanks, Ann, and good morning. Earlier this month, we completed the acquisition of the Lydian in Denver. This 129 home community also features 23,000 square feet of fully leased commercial and street level retail space with front door access to a light rail station. The 2018 built property is located within 1.5 miles of 3 other center space communities, providing opportunity to leverage our geographically proximate operating platform and broader Denver portfolio scale. We are excited to add the Lydian to our portfolio and introduce our operating platform with implementation of best practices. Speaker 300:06:29After execution of our business plan, we expect the community to generate an NOI yield in the mid to high 5% range. Bolidian also provided us the financial structure that advanced external growth at attractive terms. Specifically, our purchase was funded via the assumption of attractive long term mortgage debt with a balance of $35,000,000 at a 3.72% interest rate maturing in 2,037. Along with the issuance of common operating partnership units at $76.42 per unit. Additionally, the community is part of a tax increment financing district where we anticipate receiving over $6,000,000 of principal and interest payments funded by the real estate taxes we pay on the property over the duration of the TIF agreement. Speaker 300:07:19Looking at the transaction market more broadly, we continue to see thawing in the market with both a smaller gap between buyer and seller expectations and higher levels of conviction from buyers leading to increased liquidity and investor demand. Our belief is transaction volume will continue increasing and more actionable opportunities will present themselves to the market as we move into 2025. We want to take advantage of growth opportunities when they align with our strategic initiatives. On the pricing side, well located higher quality communities in markets such as Denver have recently been trading at 4.75% to 5% cap rates. With 23% of our NOI coming from this market, this highlights the attractive relative valuation at which our stock currently trades. Speaker 300:08:08Demand for apartments remains strong and on the supply side, we are past the peak of new deliveries in each of our largest markets and construction starts have declined materially. As all our markets move into the net absorption phase with deliveries tapering, we are excited for our future growth potential. And with that, I'll turn it over to Bhirav to discuss our overall financial results and outlook for the remainder of 2024. Speaker 400:08:34Thanks, Grant, and good morning, everyone. Last night, we reported core FFO of $1.18 per diluted share for the Q3, driven by a 2.8% year over year increase in same store NOI. Revenues from same store communities increased by 3% compared to the Q3 of 2023, driven by a 2.2% increase in revenue per occupied home and a 70 basis point year over year increase in weighted average occupancy, which stood at 95.3% for the quarter. Same store expenses were up by 3.2% year over year, driven by higher non controllable expenses with non reimbursable losses and insurance premiums as the primary drivers of year over year growth. Controllable expenses growth remained muted, up only 80 basis points compared to Q3 last year, as savings in repairs and maintenance and on-site compensation were offset by increased administrative and marketing spend. Speaker 400:09:30Turning to guidance, we updated our 2024 expectations in last night's press release. We now expect core FFO of $4.86 at the midpoint, which is an increase of $0.01 compared to our prior expectations and an increase of $0.06 versus our initial guidance released in February. We are maintaining the midpoint of year over year same store NOI growth guidance at 3.5%, while lowering our expectations for both revenue growth and expense growth. With market rents softening more than expected, same store revenues are now projected to increase 3% to 3.5% for the year. The decline in revenue is projected to be offset by lower growth in same store expenses, which are now projected to increase by 2.5% to 3.25%. Speaker 400:10:14Moving on to other components of guidance, we now expect G and A and property management expenses for the year to range between $26,500,000 to $27,000,000 and interest expense to range between $37,300,000 to 37,600,000 Increased interest expense was primarily driven by the debt assumed in conjunction with the Lydian acquisition. Our expectations regarding value add spend and same store recurring CapEx per unit are unchanged. After the Lydian, no additional acquisitions, dispositions, issuances or borrowings are factored into our guidance. On the capital front, as Anne noted, we have taken a series of steps to further strengthen our balance sheet. We sold nearly 1,600,000 shares year to date under our ATM program, raising gross proceeds of nearly $114,000,000 These proceeds were used to both retire the Series C preferred and decrease the balance on our line of credit. Speaker 400:11:09While we will always be mindful of the impact of equity issuance, the coupon and interest rate respectively on these were both in the mid to high 6% range. Issuing equity in a manner that improved both our cash flow per share and our leverage profile was a logical choice. The redemption of the Series C preferred alone is expected to increase our cash flow per year by roughly $2,300,000 based on the implied dividend yield of approximately 4.2% on our common stock relative to the 6.6% coupon on the preferred stock we redeemed. Combined with the recast of our line of credit, which we announced last quarter, we have a well laddered debt maturity schedule that pro form a for the Lydian acquisition has a weighted average cost of 3.61 percent and a weighted average time to maturity of 5.9 years. To conclude, it was a very active and productive quarter across the board. Speaker 400:12:00We achieved strong operating results, strengthened our balance sheet, simplified our capital structure and expanded our portfolio in one of our desired markets. We look forward to sustaining this momentum as we close out 2024. And with that, I will turn the line back to the operator for your questions. Operator00:12:21Thank you very much. Our first question comes from Brad Heffern with RBC Capital Markets. Brad, your line is now open. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:12:47Yes. Thank you. Good morning, everyone. You mentioned market rents softening more than expected. Is that also a greater softening than the normal seasonal trend? Speaker 500:12:56And what would you attribute that to? Speaker 200:13:02Good morning, Brad. Thanks. I think we it is more than we expected, more than the seasonal expectation that we had, just slightly more. As you know, we always expect that they soften at this time of the year. Year. Speaker 200:13:16They happened a little bit earlier. We talked about that last quarter. We really saw the peak leasing in May. And I think we attribute it mostly to the supply demand. And this is just against our expectations. Speaker 200:13:28But I think as we look at across our markets, we believe that the rents we're getting are at market. We're using not very many concessions. So we feel good about where they are. I think our expectations for the year were just a little bit higher. Speaker 500:13:48Okay. Got it. And then maybe for Bharat, just looking at the new revenue growth guidance, it implies a pretty substantial drop 3Q to 4Q, something like going from 3 to 1.6 plus or minus. Year over year comps actually look a little easier and I assume you don't have many leases expiring anyway. So I'm just curious what would lead to that large of a drop. Speaker 400:14:15Yes. Good morning, Brad. So with respect to revenue guidance, at the midpoint, we would expect to report about 0.5% to 3% for revenue growth. At the midpoint, our blended assumption is really flat for the quarter. On a year over year basis, we do expect some rubs favorability, as we have baked in a slightly higher utilities cost in our Q4 numbers. Speaker 400:14:44And additionally, we also have less concessions we expect to utilize in this quarter as we bolster occupancy going into it. So overall, the 1 point 3%, 1.5% NOI growth at the midpoint is really driven by expenses, mainly on the non controllable side with insurance premiums and losses expected to be pretty high compared to last year. Speaker 500:15:09Okay. And then last for me, do you have any preliminary read on the October leasing stats? Speaker 200:15:19Yes. We it's very early in the month. We are cut off. We usually allow some time after a date. So there I think reflected in the guidance as Bharat said, we did bring the revenue down. Speaker 200:15:34We do believe that the blended will be flat. So new leases have remained slightly negative and renewals have remained slightly positive. Speaker 500:15:48Okay. Thank you. Operator00:15:52Thank you. Our next question is from John Kim with BMO. John, your line is now open. Please go ahead. Speaker 600:16:01Thank you. So for your Q3 lease results, just trying to isolate September, it looks like new lease rates were down 3%, renewals below 3% blended of roughly plus 80 basis points. And now you're saying that it's going to go flat or expected to go flat in the Q4. So what components between new leases and renewals are driving that number lower? Speaker 400:16:36Hey, John. So with respect to 4th quarter's expectations, we expect renewals to average somewhere in the mid-2s and we expect new leases to average a negative mid-two rate on the trade outs. That's why it's balancing our expectation with respect to renewals is 50%. That's what's driving our base case expectations. Speaker 100:17:06And do you have a view Speaker 600:17:08on what your earn in is going to be for next year or is it too early to determine? Speaker 400:17:17It's we're working through it at this point. The earn in for this year is close to 2.4%. With respect to next year, it's going to be less than 1% at this point, but we're working through our estimates and that can change as leasing trends evolve. Speaker 600:17:39Just really quickly on the Denver acquisition, you guys mentioned a mid to high 5% yield once you stabilize the asset under your new platform. How long will it take to get to that level? And if you can comment on the going in cap rate? Speaker 300:17:59Yes. Good morning, John. This is Grant. From a going in perspective, NOI yield there is a blended 5. We think the operational best practices and operating initiatives that we alluded to in the prepared remarks. Speaker 300:18:15Some of those are first 90 to 120 day items in terms of the service that we provide to the residents on a day to day basis. And then there's other items related to things like potential property tax savings, mark to market rents as you roll through the lease expiration schedule that will take 12 to 18 months. So kind of 2 different buckets, but really looking at kind of 18 months for holistic implementation. Speaker 600:18:48Okay, great. Thanks everyone. Operator00:18:53Our next question is from Connor Mitchell with Piper Sandler. Connor, your line is now open. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:19:03Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. So it sounds like retention rates might be a little bit higher in the quarter than they have previously. Could you just kind of give us more color on why you might think that the retention rates are higher? What might be driving them this year or the quarter? Speaker 700:19:20And then finally, just do you guys plan on disclosing turnover or retention in the supplemental in the future? Speaker 200:19:31That's a good question, Connor. We are always looking for ways to enhance our supplemental. So we'll note that down, and consider that for future publications. With respect to the retention rates being higher, we're in month 2018 of seeing higher retention rates across last year. They were slightly higher and year to date, they've been higher. Speaker 200:19:54We've also seen the traffic pattern. It's showing that people are looking earlier than they had been in the past. And so I think some of that is more choice in the market, right? Supply has people out looking and making decisions a little bit earlier. And then also, we have seen a pretty dramatic drop across the industry in people leaving to buy homes. Speaker 200:20:18And with the high cost of housing, renting as a necessity is affecting more a larger percentage of the population. And we have a lot of renters in that category. Our average rents are right around $1600 just below $1600 So most of our residents where 2 or 3 years ago or pre COVID may have been looking to move out to buy a house, that percentage was about 25%. That's fall into 12% to 15% post COVID. So I think that is impacting our retention rates. Speaker 700:20:57Okay. And then just kind of along the same lines, as you kind of think about the retention rates and balance renewals with new leases, could you guys just give us some color on kind of how you think about pricing renewals, whether that's all the way up to markets or maybe partially just to offset any leasing costs for new leases instead? Any color you might have there would be helpful. Speaker 200:21:27Yes, sure Connor. We take the approach that lease new renewal pricing goes out 75 days before the renewal actually happens. And during that time, we want to make that price competitive, but it really depends property by property and lease by lease how far that individual resident is away from market. So if they're only 5% away from market, we might take that renewal all the way to market. If they're 20% away from market, they might go up 10%. Speaker 200:21:57If they're above market, they might be coming down slightly. So we want to make that renewal pricing attractive both because it offsets turn costs, but also because having those renewals committed to having people that are committing to staying there helps us set the new lease pricing in order to maximize total overall revenue. So if we really push hard on renewals, we risk that less people renew and then new lease pricing softens more. So we really take the approach that we're trying to maximize overall revenue. We do factor in that there are costs associated with turning the residents. Speaker 200:22:37And so we're really focused on getting the best resident experience to make them want to stay with us and also providing the best value when we approach pricing. Speaker 700:22:50Okay, very helpful. And then maybe just one quick one for Bharat as well. You guys talked about like forecasting utilities, which drives expenses and revenue for rubs. Just kind of a big picture. Wondering, when you guys are looking at the forecasted utilities, does it essentially net out for earnings? Speaker 700:23:13Or how impactful might we think about it for earnings in terms of revenue and expenses to the bottom line? Speaker 400:23:24Sure. So with respect to utilities, we passed through 80% of gas utilities and most of the other utilities costs. So for the most part, we feel like we're hedged, although when you look at our P and L, you'll see revenues coming through in the form of RUPS and the expenses going up in the form of utilities expenses. So there is a gross up on the income statement. But for the most part, given the amount we charge through, we feel like we're pretty well hedged, especially on the gas rub side, which we rolled out about a year, year and a half ago, where we passed 380% of the cost. Speaker 800:24:05Okay. Thank you very much. Operator00:24:11Our next question comes from Cooper Clark with Wells Fargo. Cooper, your line is now open. Please go ahead. Speaker 900:24:20Hello. Thank you for taking the question. Just wanted to ask about some of the moving pieces as it relates to your insurance renewal coming up in mid to late November. Wondering what type of growth you're expecting and how much wildfire concerns in Denver may have an impact? Speaker 400:24:43Good morning, Cooper. Yes, we are in the final stages for renewal. We don't really have any definitive color to provide. Initially, we had expected a pretty favorable renewal cycle. However, some of the recent activity, especially the storms in Florida may have an impact as carriers are kind of estimating their exposure there. Speaker 400:25:07We haven't heard anything specific about the wildfires in Denver yet, although we are waiting with a bit of breath to find out what the renewal looks like. Early indications were, again, as I said, very favorable, but the recent activity may have some impact. But hopefully, we'll be able to report something on that front soon. We do renew in the next month or so. So we are in the final stages of that. Speaker 900:25:36Awesome. Thank you. And then just as one follow-up, wondering if you could provide an update on where bad debt was for the quarter and any color on certain markets where you may have more elevated levels of bad debt? Speaker 400:25:54Certainly. For the Q3, we were about 40 5 to 50 basis points in terms of bad debt. From a year to date perspective, that puts us towards the high end of our expected range of 30 to 40 basis points, and we are expecting the same levels to continue. As we look across markets, there aren't really any broader trends to glean from any of our markets. I think it's just kind of relatively spread out across our markets and nothing specific with respect to a market or 2 that's worth noting. Speaker 900:26:32Awesome. Thank you. Operator00:26:38Our next question is from Rob Stevenson with Janney. Rob, your line is now open. Please go ahead. Speaker 800:26:46Good morning, guys. Anne, was the new lease growth of negative 1.2% in the 3rd quarter driven mainly by Minneapolis and Denver? Or was that fairly widespread across the portfolio and any markets where new lease growth was still meaningfully positive for you guys? Speaker 200:27:05Yes. Good morning, Rob. I'd say, we're still seeing a lot of strength in our North Dakota markets and across Nebraska. But generally, all the markets slow down right now. So the drivers are we are seeing a bigger decline in Denver, Minneapolis. Speaker 200:27:20And then Other Mountain West, typically the markets that had that's a market that's Rapid City and Billings where we saw tremendous lease growth during COVID. And so there has been some leveling out in that market that's led those to be a little more negative than others. But we are still seeing strong growth, really North Dakota, where we've had no supply, and then also across the Nebraska Speaker 300:27:45markets. Okay. Speaker 800:27:47And then what technology savings on the expense side are still left for you guys to realize? And how much additional spend over the next 18 months are you anticipating for your various tech programs going forward? Speaker 200:28:02Yes, that's a great question. We have really fully implemented all of the technology stack that we're currently looking at. So I'd say that from an expense side, that is behind us. The exception to that would be the SmartRent implementation, which we really consider value add. About 70% of our portfolio has the SmartRent implemented fully in it. Speaker 200:28:25And we plan to identify additional properties for 2025. So, but with respect to efficiencies on the operating side, really we're looking at adoption and then how our staffing models can change given the implementation and adoption of that technology. And like a lot of companies across the industry, we have centralized certain positions within our property teams. So rather than have an assistant community manager at every asset, we now have those in regional remote positions. So we're really trying to look forward and say what are the other impacts that the implementation that we did with technology, what do those have on staffing models, operations, data efficiencies and moving forward there. Speaker 200:29:15So we're still harnessing some of those. I think next year will be the we'll probably see a true full year of savings from staffing model implementation. Speaker 800:29:26Okay. That's great. And then, last one for me. Given your current NOI contribution from Denver post Lydian acquisition, how are you thinking about future acquisitions in that market? Are you going to be comfortable taking that up into the 30s like Minneapolis? Speaker 800:29:40And given your comments on cap rates in Denver, will you look to maybe sell an existing Denver asset in order to buy another one with more upside? And so how are you guys thinking about the optimal size and exposure of your Denver portfolio going Speaker 200:29:57forward? Yes. This is something we think a lot about. We are seeing more and more opportunities in Denver. With operations like we have in Minneapolis and Denver come opportunities. Speaker 200:30:08And while we like that, we really need true external growth like the Lydian, in other markets so that we could grow out of that. We are actively looking in markets across the Mountain West and seeking out opportunities. So ideally, we would like those market exposures to stay below 25%. But it's going to take us some time to work through that, both with external growth and how the portfolio has changed over time. So it might rise a little bit on its way to a stabilized maybe 20% to 25% of the portfolio. Speaker 800:30:46Okay. Thanks guys. Appreciate the time this morning. Operator00:30:51Our next question is from Michael Gorman with BTIG. Michael, your line is now open. Please go ahead. Speaker 1000:31:02Thanks. Good morning. Grant, if I could just go back to the Denver acquisition for a second. Is it possible to kind of break down as you talk about the improvement in the yield, kind of how much of that is directly in control of CenterSpace in terms of operating efficiencies? So how much is coming from the expense side versus that kind of mark to market piece that you spoke about? Speaker 1000:31:23And then I guess secondarily to that, how do you think about market rent growth as you talk about that improved yield? Is that baked in there at all as well? Speaker 300:31:38Yes. Good morning, Mike. Appreciate the question. Things like mark to market rents and potential tax savings that we alluded to. I think, 1, they are in our control, if you will, in the sense that we appeal taxes in the normal course on all assets and communities that we own. Speaker 300:32:01We think there's a very logical path to achieve some of these savings. Obviously, there's a counterparty there that we have to solicit feedback from, but we think there's a very logical path to achieve those savings. Mark to market rents, we've been fair to conservative in our underwriting of this asset. So for instance, our year 1 pro form a here has 1.5% to 1.75% kind of top line scheduled rent growth, which we think is a very measured target and base case scenario that perhaps we could outperform. The reason we've taken that approach is we do understand that we do have to work through lease expiration curve initiatives to kind of reposition that to our operating standards and our operating practices and we've tried to account for that in the underwriting. Speaker 300:33:01On the resident experience side, I think it's harder to put a metric on being present, providing high touch service, having a smile on your face. It's harder to put a number on that from a yield perspective and say this is what it's going to achieve. But we do know and do believe that's going to lead to higher retention levels, higher satisfaction of our residents, and we've been able to bake in those assumptions into the base case. So different buckets, different initiatives that we're focused on and we think in the aggregate those are the things that take it from that blended 5% yield that I talked about pro form a year 1 to that mid to high 5%. Speaker 1000:33:50Okay. Thanks for the detail there. And then maybe, Ann, I'm just trying to square some of the commentary here. It sounds like your markets are generally past the kind of the peak impact or at least the peak supply. So I'm just trying to understand as we think about the revenue picture here, are we seeing any signs of stress out of the tenants? Speaker 1000:34:13I know you talked about relatively strong renter base, but bad debt back half of the year is going to be higher. Definitely the revenue expectations are down. I mean, are there any other demand metrics or tenant health metrics that you're seeing maybe a little bit of additional stress, beyond just, any impact from supply? Speaker 200:34:36Thanks, Mike. I don't we don't believe so that we're seeing additional stress. So the rent to income levels have remained healthy. Our bad debt, well, it's ticked up slightly. I mean, we're still talking about 40 to 50 basis points. Speaker 200:34:52This is a really stable level that we could expect almost in any portfolio. I think relatively to other public peers much lower, bad debt. And I do want to call your attention to while we're past the peak of supply, there's still quite a bit of absorption to go. So we still do see some softening in the rents and not only just seasonality, but it has been a little softer as markets continue to absorb. As I mentioned, Minneapolis has been one of the leaders in absorption, but we're not all the way through it in that market either. Speaker 200:35:28So there still is a lot of vacancy in these markets, new projects that are still in lease up. But as we work through that into next year and then with the lack of deliveries, that really should be a tailwind for us. But overall, I think we aren't seeing any other demand drivers and or evidence in the data of any stress to the consumer and our residents. Speaker 1000:35:56Great. Thanks so much for the time. Operator00:36:02Thank you very much. Our next question comes from Mason Guo with Center Space. Mason, your line is now open. Please go ahead. Speaker 1100:36:24Hey, good morning, everyone. Can you talk more about what you're seeing in Denver, maybe on the new versus renewal rates and then the supply and demand outlook in your submarkets? Speaker 200:36:39Yes. Grant, why don't you go ahead and start with the supply picture with respect to the submarkets and then I can address what we're seeing on new and renewal in Denver? Speaker 300:36:55Good morning, Mason. I'll start real quick by topside kind of framing where we are in Denver. That is our target market with the highest levels of supply currently about 4.8% of existing stock under construction. That represents about 15,000 apartment homes. That percentage is down notably from 11% in 2023. Speaker 300:37:19And when we look at next 12 month deliveries, those are forecasted at 8,400 apartment homes, which is below 22 and 23 delivery levels in that market, which averaged about 11,000 and certainly below the past 12 months. When we look at our submarkets, continue to see higher levels of recent deliveries in certain urban pockets, along with higher levels of recent deliveries in 2024 in certain suburban pockets. Equitably, the East Metro, the Aurora area has had a lot of recent deliveries. We do not own communities there. Our submarkets feel relatively insulated compared to some of the other locations that have experienced large influx of product. Speaker 300:38:13If I think about the tech center, southern part of the metro where we own a community, a lot of that land is built out. Northern part of the metro, it's really isolated to a couple communities and a lot of situations where we own products. So feeling relatively insulated in the suburban markets and have seen that influx in the urban core in certain pockets. Speaker 200:38:42And Mason, as we look at the Denver data as an individual market, our occupancy there sits about 95%. We also have retention a little bit over 50% there. Our renewal rates, the trade outs kind of most recent full month would be slightly over 1, 1.2, 1.3. And the new lease trade outs are just slightly over 2. So, some differential there, but more renewals than new leases. Speaker 200:39:11And again, going into these quarters, it's a very small sample size given our lease expiration profile. Speaker 1100:39:21Thank you. And on expenses, are there any one time items this quarter that helped the moderation? Or are there unexpected for the rest of the year? Speaker 400:39:34Good morning, Mason. I'll take that one. So within OpEx, we had benefit from adjusting our health insurance reserve in the Q3. So that kind of did provide some positive variance. Now that's typical. Speaker 400:39:53We reassess our reserves throughout the year, but typically any adjustments are made in the Q3 or Q4. So although there is an impact there, it's also something that is typically expected around this time of the year when we adjust our reserves. Speaker 1100:40:11Thank you. Operator00:40:16Thank you very much. That concludes the Q and A session. I will now hand back to Anne for any closing remarks. Speaker 200:40:28I'd like to thank our teams for their outstanding efforts year to date, and I look forward to meeting with many of you in Las Vegas at the upcoming REIT World Convention. Thank you all for joining this morning, and have a great Tuesday.Read morePowered by