NASDAQ:BLKB Blackbaud Q3 2024 Earnings Report $61.29 -0.65 (-1.05%) Closing price 06/12/2025 04:00 PM EasternExtended Trading$61.29 0.00 (0.00%) As of 08:03 AM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast Blackbaud EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.99Consensus EPS $1.07Beat/MissMissed by -$0.08One Year Ago EPS$0.65Blackbaud Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$286.70 millionExpected Revenue$293.74 millionBeat/MissMissed by -$7.04 millionYoY Revenue Growth+3.30%Blackbaud Announcement DetailsQuarterQ3 2024Date10/30/2024TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateWednesday, October 30, 2024Conference Call Time8:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsBlackbaud's Q2 2025 earnings is scheduled for Tuesday, July 29, 2025, with a conference call scheduled on Monday, August 4, 2025 at 4:00 PM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)SEC FilingEarnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Blackbaud Q3 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrOctober 30, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Greetings, and welcome to the Blackbird Third Quarter 20 24 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A brief question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Tom Bark, Head of Investor Relations. Operator00:00:26Thank you, sir. You may begin. Speaker 100:00:28Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us on Blackbaud's Q3 2024 Earnings Call. Joining me on the call today are Mike Gianoni, Blackbaud's Chief Executive Officer, President and Vice Chairman and Tony Bohr, Blackbaud's Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Mike and Tony will make prepared remarks, and then we will open up the line for your questions. Please note that comments today contain forward looking statements subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected. Speaker 100:01:02Please refer to our most recent Form 10 ks and other SEC filings for more information on those risks. The discussion today will focus on non GAAP results. Please refer to our press release and the investor materials posted to our website for full details on our financial performance, including GAAP results as well as full year guidance. We believe that a combination of both GAAP and non GAAP measures are more representative of how we internally measure our business. Unless otherwise specified, we will refer to only non GAAP financial measures on this call. Speaker 100:01:40Please note that non GAAP financial measures should not be considered in isolation from or as a substitute for GAAP measures. And with that, let me turn the call over to Mike. Speaker 200:01:52Thank you, Tom. Good morning, everyone. I want to begin by addressing our revised guidance ranges for 2024. Our social sector, which is the majority of our revenue, continues to perform very well, and we feel we remain a strong investment for shareholders. We are lowering our annual revenue guidance due to the continued negative financial impact of EverFi. Speaker 200:02:16Without the negative performance of EverFi, our guidance for the year would remain unchanged. We are confident that our underlying business and our future opportunities remain strong. We've spoken in the past about improving EverFi's business performance and evaluating strategic options. While EverFi remains a small portion of our overall business at roughly 7% of our revenue in the quarter, management is focused on achieving the best possible outcome. We have recently rightsized the business to better align cost to revenues and we've hired Goldman Sachs as our strategic advisor to assist us in evaluating other options. Speaker 200:02:58We plan to continue to update you as appropriate in this area. As you look across the other parts of our business, we believe Blackbaud, driven by our continued focus on execution of our 5 point operating plan, is a compelling investment with multiple opportunities for strong shareholder returns. We continue to extend our position as the market leader in providing software to power social impact through our offerings of the most comprehensive set of purpose built and mission critical software and services. And we continue to accelerate the pace on exciting list of innovative new solutions to penetrate even further into our rich market opportunity. In September, we held our annual user conference, BBCon, in Seattle with thousands of social impact professionals attending both in person and virtually. Speaker 200:03:52The enthusiasm and reception by our customers was clear and exciting. We announced 6 waves of innovation, including AI capabilities, new powerful partnerships with companies such as Constant Contact, new expanded navigation menus, new performance analytics, payment assist, deeper encryption and richer connectivity to name a few. We'll continue to invest aggressively in innovation and partner with our developer network to further enable our customers to raise more money while improving their operational efficiency, ultimately allowing them to spend more time executing on their charitable missions and less time on administrative tasks. We remain a natural choice for customers and new prospects alike. Their success helps drive ours and is visible in our 3rd quarter numbers, which include revenue in our social sector grew 6.6% despite a difficult FY2023 comparison. Speaker 200:04:55And within social, contractual reoccurring revenue, the company's largest revenue line, was up 6.8%. Our 2nd largest revenue line of social transactional reoccurring revenue grew 6.6%. Gross dollar retention driven by the value our customers see using our solutions was 90%, and excluding EverFi, approximately 92%. We beat out the competition to add prominent new logos and deepened our existing relationships with our list of over 40,000 customers. These included competitive wins in the higher education vertical to Dallas Baptist University, Davidson College and the University of Nevada, Reno. Speaker 200:05:42These institutions valued our enviable end to end workflow and recent enhancements will power their fundraising efforts. Our adjusted free cash flow remains very strong at nearly $100,000,000 in the Q3. This strong performance gives us great confidence to fuel our aggressive stock repurchase program. Through October, the company has bought back approximately 8% of the common stock outstanding at the end of 2023, and our current plan is to buy as much as 10% of that balance by year end 2024. Tony will cover more about our financial results as well as capital allocation strategy, but I remain pleased with Blackbaud's multiyear trajectory as well as its prospects. Speaker 200:06:28Blackbaud's revenue, adjusted EBITDA margin, adjusted free cash flow have improved significantly over the last couple of years and year to date. We feel that much of this success driven by a proven operating plan and our mission to empower social impact in the hearts of our customers and employees are driving very strong results. I'll come back after Tony in a few minutes with some closing thoughts and then we'll take your questions. Tony? Speaker 300:06:57Thanks, Mike. I'm pleased with our continued progress and remain excited about the opportunities in front of us. We remain committed to providing our shareholders an attractive financial model balance between growth in revenues, earnings, cash flows and a prudent and purposeful capital allocation strategy. Looking to our 3rd quarter results, total revenue was $287,000,000 up 3.3 percent year over year and 4.3% on an organic basis. Our social sector, which represents the majority of Blackbaud's revenue at approximately 89% in the quarter, continues to perform very well with revenue growth of 6.6%. Speaker 300:07:38Our corporate sector decline, as Mike mentioned, was again negatively influenced by EverFi. Although it only represents 7% of total company revenue in the quarter, Everfi declined 26% year over year in the quarter. We expect headwinds at Everfi to continue in the near term, which is reflected in our revised guide. And as Mike said earlier, we're pursuing strategic alternatives for this business through the hiring of Goldman Sachs and have recently reduced EVERFI's expense run rate to better align with the lower revenue outlook. Moving below the revenue line, our 3rd quarter adjusted EBITDA margin was 33.2%. Speaker 300:08:17We generated $98,000,000 of adjusted free cash flow in the 3rd quarter and $187,000,000 year to date, which is up from $177,000,000 from the same timeframe in 2023, despite the negative impact of additional interest expense associated with our share repurchase program. Our robust free cash flow gives us confidence to continue investment in a number of critical areas like product innovation and stock repurchases. We recently completed our previously announced $200,000,000 ASR program and when combined with our other stock repurchases, the company has bought back approximately 8% of our common stock outstanding as of the end of 2023. We plan to continue to be aggressive in the Q4 repurchasing our stock with our goal of buying back up to 10% of our outstanding common stock. Before I talk about our revised annual guidance, I'd like to highlight several items for you to think about, which may help in developing your models for the remainder of the year and for 2025. Speaker 300:09:20Regarding revenue, in addition to the continued anticipated softness of EVERFI, we have not experienced any of the unusually large viral events like we did in 2023. So if you extract those events, our transactional business is growing nicely at more normalized rates. 2nd, our modernized approach to renewal contracts in the social sector continues to perform well. By the end of 2024, approximately 65% of the eligible cohort will have gone through the shift to modernize contract terms and pricing, leaving approximately 25% in 2025 and the last 10% in 2026. The Q3 of 2024 represents the Q1 in which we lapped the renewal pricing uplift in a meaningful way, which is reflected in our social contractual recurring revenue growth rate of approximately 7% in the quarter compared to approximately 10% the past 2 quarters. Speaker 300:10:22And finally, while our modernized renewal contracts have price escalators in years 23, the revenue is recognized on a straight line basis. So for example, in a 3 year contract, the total contract value is divided by 36 and recognized evenly over the full term. Turning to guidance. We are revising our full year guidance ranges, which takes into consideration that the core social sector continued to perform well. However, we continue to expect underperformance at EVERFI. Speaker 300:10:54Therefore, we revised our full year 2024 guidance as follows. Revenue in the range of $1,150,000,000 to $1,160,000,000 At the midpoint, our organic growth rate is 5.2%, up from 4.8% last year. At the same time, we are increasing our adjusted EBITDA margin guidance range slightly to 33% to 34%, up from 32.2% last year. Non GAAP earnings per share is expected to be between $3.98 $4.16 up slightly from $3.98 last year. This guidance does take into account the negative impact of EVERFI underperformance as well as approximately $20,000,000 in incremental interest expense associated with our share repurchase program. Speaker 300:11:46Also of note, the full repurchase share count is not yet fully reflected in our diluted shares outstanding and will not be fully reflected until sometime in 2025. Lastly, our adjusted free cash flow is expected to be between $235,000,000 2 $45,000,000 a 12% increase over 2023 at the midpoint. We have a lot to be proud of as we work to close the year strong. We continue to execute on our operating plan, which is driving consistent revenue growth and enviable earnings and cash flow. We're especially pleased with the performance of our core social sector and have confidence in its ability to continue to produce highly profitable growth going forward. Speaker 300:12:30We also, as Mike discussed, are committed to removing the negative impact of EVERFI, which will aid our financial numbers significantly. As always, we remain focused on providing enhanced value to our customers and our shareholders. Let me turn it back over to Mike for a quick comment and then we'll open the line for your questions. Mike? Speaker 200:12:47Thank you, Tony. We remain excited about the future in front of us. We'll provide specific fiscal year 2025 guidance in our February call, but I'd like to highlight why Blackbaud is a sound investment. Regarding organic revenue, you can expect mid single digit revenue growth with a call option for more, driven by visible and full reoccurring revenue streams, targeting both new logos and expansion of our installed base empowered by innovation. Below the line, you can expect a strong focus on cost, employee productivity to improve EBITDA. Speaker 200:13:22Additionally, our very strong free cash flow will drive a purposeful capital allocation strategy. This includes a significant annual buyback program as well as prudent and effective M and A focused on tuck ins to accelerate our R and D. With that, we can open the line for questions. Operator? Operator00:13:44Thank you. We will now take our first question from Rob Oliver with Baird. Go ahead, caller. Your line is now open. Speaker 400:14:14Great. Thank you. Good morning. I appreciate you taking the question. Tony, I appreciate your explanation on lapping some of the pricing on the social sector stuff. Speaker 400:14:22But I just wanted to dive in a little bit, totally get what's going on with Everfi and that that's weighing on the growth rate. But it does appear that the social sector full year for 2024 growth rate ticked down a little bit at least in terms of your expectations relative to Q2. So I know you guys are doing well there, but I just wanted to get a sense from you of what if anything changed relative to your expectations exiting Q2, whether that's willingness to accept the price increases, any of those 1 year contracts that perhaps were up for renewal, which you flagged about a year ago, which were ones you had a keen eye on or anything else to call out there would be helpful. Thank you. Speaker 300:15:02Thanks, Rob. On the social side, everything's performing very well, especially on the contract initiative. Overall, the pricing has stuck. We've not seen heightened discounting on that front with those contract renewals. The mix, the percentage of folks that are choosing the multiyear contracts versus the 1 year contracts is still running right in line with plan, kind of in the mid to high 80% typically is what we're seeing for folks taking 3 year contracts. Speaker 300:15:33We're seeing a small number of customers who for regulatory purposes or other governing rules can't do multiyear contracts. So we're working through that and how we will deal with those contracts going forward. And then on the churn piece of the 1 year as we spoke about something we're keeping a close eye on, actually that churn rate is holding right in line with plan as well. Keep in mind, it's a much smaller pool with the mid-80s shifting to a multiyear contract. We have a lot fewer 1 year contracts. Speaker 300:16:04There is a slightly higher churn rate on those as we would expect. But in totality, our gross dollar retention is probably the best metric to look at on that front. In totality, gross dollar retention is right at about 90% for the total company. We exclude Everfi, we're actually at 92%, which is up from where we were a couple of years ago on the social sector side. So feel really good on how we're doing on the retention front and also what we're getting on pricing on those contracts. Speaker 300:16:32I don't know if there's really anything on the contractual side that causes us to expect to have a slightly lower growth rate on the social sector business. It's really transactional related. Last year, if you recall, we had really high growth because of viral events in Q3 and Q4. I think we ended up a year at almost 11% on the social transactional growth rate. Our historical is kind of 6% to 7%. Speaker 300:16:58We're running right at 6.5%, 7% right now year to date, I believe. And so we're, I think, coming along pretty well on transactional. We just haven't seen the viral that we saw last year and really haven't had no meaningful viral yet this year and aren't planning for any for the remainder of the year, Rob. Speaker 400:17:18Great. Awesome. Okay. Thanks. I appreciate it. Speaker 400:17:21Absolutely. Operator00:17:26Our next question comes from Brian Peterson with Raymond James. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 300:17:32Hi, guys. Thanks for taking the question. So Tony, maybe following up Speaker 500:17:34on that. How do we think about maybe the long term growth trajectory of the transactional business kind of absent any of these viral events, which we can't predict? I know Mike talked about mid single digit growth, but would love to understand how you're thinking about kind of the contractual recurring versus transactional as we look at that outlook? Speaker 300:17:54Yes, Brian, thanks. The transactional side of the business, like I said, is it's grown 6% to 7%. That's kind of the norm for us for several years. I would expect that's a good kind of assumption to make for your models for the longer term. When we talk about having some call options for upside, I think that's where if we have some big viral events in a given period would drive that growth rate up like we saw last year in Q3 and Q4. Speaker 300:18:19I think also with some of the newer transactional innovation that we're rolling out across the platform and the portfolio. We could have some higher growth rates in the future as those programs start to get some traction. But right now, I think somewhere in that 6% to 7% rate is a good assumption to make modeling for transactions. Hence, we're kind of saying mid single digit overall because I think once we've lapped the pricing initiative, the new contract initiative, we're seeing growth rates more in the 6.5% to 7% rate on the contractual social. So I think that somewhere in that ballpark is probably a really good assumption for your models. Speaker 200:18:56Hey Brian, I want to add is one of the things we announced at ED Con in our product and innovation section was a new solution called Payment Assist, which is a brand new product in the transaction space for us. And we're essentially monetizing accounts payables for our customers and eliminating checks, which we've never done before. It's going to take a while for that to build, but it is a brand new product in the transaction space for us. Absolutely. Speaker 500:19:30Yes. Great color there guys. And maybe just a follow-up on EverFi. I know you've given a ton of detail there, but we'd love to understand with you guys rightsizing some of the costs there. How should we think about the margin profile of that business versus the core Blackbaud accretive, dilutive, in line? Speaker 500:19:45Just would love the perspective there. Thanks guys. Speaker 300:19:48Yes, Brian. It is even with the rightsizing is still dilutive. We've done such a great job of getting our margins up. As you know, that business because of the shortness, the shortfall in revenue, even with rightsizing the cost structure still going to be dilutive on the bottom line and from a cash flow perspective. I would say we've seen some very positive signs here very recently on some new wins. Speaker 300:20:14And maybe Mike, you could talk about a couple of those. I do think that we saw some significant decline in that business over the last couple of years, but that does feel like we're starting to bottom out. I don't know that we're completely there yet, but Mike, maybe you mentioned a couple of the new wins that we've seen because we've seen some nice new appetite in the market on Everbody. Speaker 200:20:31Yes. Brian, just a reminder, Everbody is 7% of our business, just to make sure everyone understands that. And yes, we took some pretty substantial cost out of it recently. So the run rate is a lot better go forward. And to Tony's point, over last quarter, we've got some really nice EverFi renewals, new logo wins, a couple I'll mention, Truth Initiative Foundation, NASCAR, Guardian Life, Sterling Check, and there's many more too. Speaker 200:21:03Those are new logos or expansions in the last quarter. So I don't want folks to think it's all doom and gloom with EVERFI. We are looking at alternatives with Goldman Sachs. I mentioned in my prepared remarks, we're pretty aggressive there. We are addressing the EverFi drag on the performance, but there are some upsides there related to the marketplace reception in some of these logos. Speaker 300:21:34Appreciate the color. Thanks guys. Thanks Brian. Operator00:21:39Our next question comes from Parker Lane with Stifel. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 600:21:45Yes. Hi, guys. Thanks for taking the question this morning. Mike, maybe we could focus in on the 6 waves of innovation. I know you mentioned, the payments assist earlier, but what is resonating the most or what resonated the most at your conference with the customers that you spoke with? Speaker 600:21:59And how should we think about the benefit of this innovation? Is this going to be better growth retention in the business? Do you expect individual shoots of Operator00:22:09upside across subscription and payments? How should we Speaker 600:22:09just think about the financial benefits of Blackbaud? Subscription and payments? How should we just think about the financial benefit to Blackbaud? Speaker 200:22:15Yes, sure. We announced a lot of things at BBCon. Details are on our website as well. So from areas like embedded AI and solutions like Razer's Edge NXT to better integration and interoperability, which allows us to sell more modules and cross sell to existing customers, some future capabilities with Financial Edge NXT, Payment Assist is just one of them, better integration, partnership with Constant Contact. So they're going to be a great marketing partner, marketing platform partner for us. Speaker 200:22:54We already have a lot of shared customers. So we announced that at the conference as well. So all of these innovations are really just our kind of focus on continuing to earn the right these contract renewals and getting new logos. And so their reception at BBCon was just outstanding. And because it's recorded, we'll have thousands and thousands of more customers looking at all that information in addition to folks that actually attended in the at the conference in Seattle. Speaker 200:23:28So our engineering team and product teams are just doing a great job in driving innovation. Speaker 600:23:35Good to hear. And then Tony, you mentioned the gross retention improvements now sitting around 90%, 92x EverFi. Just wondering as you look at the new pricing and contracting structure, clearly, benefiting there. But what could that look like over the next few years? Is that the right way to think about the business or could that perhaps even continue to be more of a tailwind going forward to the top line? Speaker 300:23:59Well, I think Mark, where we're really seeing the benefit of pricing is on the net retention because of the uplift and we don't give net retention numbers publicly, but I can tell you our net retention has bumped up nicely with the new contract initiative. The gross, if you recall, we're looking at kind of where were those customers prior year and then did they renew. We're not giving any credence to any of the uplift in the gross dollar retention. So I do feel good. I think our initiatives that we've done over the last several years with customer success, the work we've done in the area of customer support, Mike was just speaking about all the innovation we're doing. Speaker 300:24:37I think that really speaks to the gross dollar retention. And I'm kind of hopeful we'll stay in that, something north of 90% would be our intention as a company on the gross dollar. Speaker 600:24:49Understood. Thanks again guys. Operator00:24:55Our next question comes from Matt Van Vliet with BTIG. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 700:25:01Yes, good morning. Thanks for taking the question. I guess, first, on the EVERFI side, just trying to understand, are you seeing just a number of kind of downsizes upon renewal and just a lack of new deals there? Or is there a meaningful amount of true logo churn going on there for decisions on their own the customer side? Speaker 200:25:23Yes. Hey, Matt, it's a little bit of both in the last couple of years. The market pressed pause, I guess, in the space a little bit. We have a big footprint, I'll give you an example, in financial services, specifically in banking. And some of the regional banks pulled back. Speaker 200:25:45Silicon Valley Bank was a customer, for example. So there's some pullback a little bit in financial services and some shifts in program spend. So it's been a little bit on the renewal and expansion side and on the new bookings side. But remember, EverFi has got thousands of customers. And in the 3 years EverFi has been a part of Blackbaud, I've met hundreds of customers myself and everyone is enamored with the product and solution. Speaker 200:26:16There's just been some macro pullback in the space, which is called the cause of the business to have it struggle from a growth. In fact, it's going backwards a bit. But it's not all doom and gloom. I just mentioned a bunch of logos. We've got Goldman Sachs on the case here to work with us. Speaker 200:26:34So we'll resolve this problem. We just took some cost out. We are focused on making sure it's not a drag on the company. Again, it's 7% of the total, but we're working on it and I think we'll have some outcomes to announce hopefully in the next period of time. Speaker 700:26:55And then how has that impacted the YourCause and the foundation side of the business? How has that been progressing so far? Speaker 200:27:03Yes. YourCause is actually doing really well. Everfi has not impacted YourCause. And so we're doing really well on YourCause. A lot of great new logos there. Speaker 200:27:15It's organically growing, frankly, accretive to the rest of the social sector. So it's a part of corporate impact. Again, EverFi is 7% of the company. YourCause is doing really well. It's a very sticky platform. Speaker 200:27:33We've got over 16,000,000 employees on the platform. So lots of Fortune 500 customers, good pipeline. YourCause is doing well. Thank you. You're welcome. Speaker 300:27:50Thanks, Matt. Operator00:27:55Our next question comes from Kirk Materne with Evercore. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 100:28:01Yes, thanks very much. Mike, I was just curious on the contractual recurring business, just bookings in that area, how are they looking, I guess, relative to plan? It seems like things are going along well. I was just wondering if you could add maybe a little bit more color there on just sort of net new relative to sort of the new pricing on the rental side? Speaker 200:28:23Yes. We don't break out the micro of bookings, but net new logos are actually doing really well year over year. They're up nicely in the new logo side. And we've really shifted the teams more to new logos in the last 12 or 18 months. That shift of the older products like in Razer's Edge and Financial Edge to the cloud solutions is largely behind us now. Speaker 200:28:50We've only been selling cloud solutions for years, but we've had some customers on the older license type products and that's a really tiny part of what's left. So big shift to new logos and that's going well. Sales productivity is up. I mentioned a bunch of higher ed new logo wins in my prepared remarks and we expect that to continue. The predominant softness in bookings is EVERFI. Speaker 200:29:19I mentioned YourCause bookings are going pretty well also. Speaker 100:29:24Okay, great. And then Tony, can you just remind us, sorry, you might have mentioned this last quarter, but the divested, the non recurring services business that was divested for Everfi, how big of a drag on sort of growth in the corporate side was that this quarter or how is it factored into the 12% down this year? Speaker 300:29:43When we revised our guidance Kirk at the end of Q1 for that divestiture, and it was about $6,000,000 of revenue that we took out for the year. Speaker 400:29:55Okay. Thank Speaker 100:29:57Thank you for the reminder. Speaker 300:29:58Appreciate it. Thank you Speaker 200:30:00all. You're welcome. Speaker 100:30:02Okay, everyone. I think that's the end of the questions. I want to thank everyone for joining us today. We'll be attending a number of investor events to include several investor conferences in November December, which are now listed on our Investor Relations site. Of course, I'm always happy to speak to you directly and we look forward to speaking with you soon and have a nice day. Operator00:30:24This concludes today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. ThankRead morePowered by Key Takeaways Blackbaud has lowered its 2024 revenue guidance to $1.15 billion–$1.16 billion (midpoint organic growth of 5.2%) due to the ongoing drag from EverFi, while its core social sector outlook remains intact. EverFi, representing roughly 7% of Q3 revenue, declined 26% year-over-year; management has rightsized costs and engaged Goldman Sachs to explore strategic alternatives for that business. The social sector drove solid results with Q3 revenue up 6.6%, contractual recurring revenue +6.8%, transactional recurring revenue +6.6%, and gross dollar retention of 90% (92% excluding EverFi), highlighted by new higher-education wins. Blackbaud generated nearly $100 million of adjusted free cash flow in Q3 (YTD $187 million) and has repurchased about 8% of its 2023-outstanding shares, targeting up to 10% by year-end 2024. At its BBCon user conference, Blackbaud unveiled six waves of innovation—from embedded AI and new partnerships to Payment Assist and enhanced analytics—underscoring its commitment to accelerate product development and market penetration. AI Generated. 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The company offers fundraising and engagement solutions, such as Blackbaud Raiser's Edge NXT, Blackbaud CRM, Blackbaud eTapestry, Blackbaud Luminate Online, Blackbaud TeamRaiser, JustGiving, Blackbaud Fundraiser Performance Management, Blackbaud Guided Fundraising, and Blackbaud Altru; and financial management solutions comprising Blackbaud Financial Edge NXT, Blackbaud Tuition Management, and Blackbaud Financial Aid and Billing Management. 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There are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Greetings, and welcome to the Blackbird Third Quarter 20 24 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A brief question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Tom Bark, Head of Investor Relations. Operator00:00:26Thank you, sir. You may begin. Speaker 100:00:28Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us on Blackbaud's Q3 2024 Earnings Call. Joining me on the call today are Mike Gianoni, Blackbaud's Chief Executive Officer, President and Vice Chairman and Tony Bohr, Blackbaud's Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Mike and Tony will make prepared remarks, and then we will open up the line for your questions. Please note that comments today contain forward looking statements subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected. Speaker 100:01:02Please refer to our most recent Form 10 ks and other SEC filings for more information on those risks. The discussion today will focus on non GAAP results. Please refer to our press release and the investor materials posted to our website for full details on our financial performance, including GAAP results as well as full year guidance. We believe that a combination of both GAAP and non GAAP measures are more representative of how we internally measure our business. Unless otherwise specified, we will refer to only non GAAP financial measures on this call. Speaker 100:01:40Please note that non GAAP financial measures should not be considered in isolation from or as a substitute for GAAP measures. And with that, let me turn the call over to Mike. Speaker 200:01:52Thank you, Tom. Good morning, everyone. I want to begin by addressing our revised guidance ranges for 2024. Our social sector, which is the majority of our revenue, continues to perform very well, and we feel we remain a strong investment for shareholders. We are lowering our annual revenue guidance due to the continued negative financial impact of EverFi. Speaker 200:02:16Without the negative performance of EverFi, our guidance for the year would remain unchanged. We are confident that our underlying business and our future opportunities remain strong. We've spoken in the past about improving EverFi's business performance and evaluating strategic options. While EverFi remains a small portion of our overall business at roughly 7% of our revenue in the quarter, management is focused on achieving the best possible outcome. We have recently rightsized the business to better align cost to revenues and we've hired Goldman Sachs as our strategic advisor to assist us in evaluating other options. Speaker 200:02:58We plan to continue to update you as appropriate in this area. As you look across the other parts of our business, we believe Blackbaud, driven by our continued focus on execution of our 5 point operating plan, is a compelling investment with multiple opportunities for strong shareholder returns. We continue to extend our position as the market leader in providing software to power social impact through our offerings of the most comprehensive set of purpose built and mission critical software and services. And we continue to accelerate the pace on exciting list of innovative new solutions to penetrate even further into our rich market opportunity. In September, we held our annual user conference, BBCon, in Seattle with thousands of social impact professionals attending both in person and virtually. Speaker 200:03:52The enthusiasm and reception by our customers was clear and exciting. We announced 6 waves of innovation, including AI capabilities, new powerful partnerships with companies such as Constant Contact, new expanded navigation menus, new performance analytics, payment assist, deeper encryption and richer connectivity to name a few. We'll continue to invest aggressively in innovation and partner with our developer network to further enable our customers to raise more money while improving their operational efficiency, ultimately allowing them to spend more time executing on their charitable missions and less time on administrative tasks. We remain a natural choice for customers and new prospects alike. Their success helps drive ours and is visible in our 3rd quarter numbers, which include revenue in our social sector grew 6.6% despite a difficult FY2023 comparison. Speaker 200:04:55And within social, contractual reoccurring revenue, the company's largest revenue line, was up 6.8%. Our 2nd largest revenue line of social transactional reoccurring revenue grew 6.6%. Gross dollar retention driven by the value our customers see using our solutions was 90%, and excluding EverFi, approximately 92%. We beat out the competition to add prominent new logos and deepened our existing relationships with our list of over 40,000 customers. These included competitive wins in the higher education vertical to Dallas Baptist University, Davidson College and the University of Nevada, Reno. Speaker 200:05:42These institutions valued our enviable end to end workflow and recent enhancements will power their fundraising efforts. Our adjusted free cash flow remains very strong at nearly $100,000,000 in the Q3. This strong performance gives us great confidence to fuel our aggressive stock repurchase program. Through October, the company has bought back approximately 8% of the common stock outstanding at the end of 2023, and our current plan is to buy as much as 10% of that balance by year end 2024. Tony will cover more about our financial results as well as capital allocation strategy, but I remain pleased with Blackbaud's multiyear trajectory as well as its prospects. Speaker 200:06:28Blackbaud's revenue, adjusted EBITDA margin, adjusted free cash flow have improved significantly over the last couple of years and year to date. We feel that much of this success driven by a proven operating plan and our mission to empower social impact in the hearts of our customers and employees are driving very strong results. I'll come back after Tony in a few minutes with some closing thoughts and then we'll take your questions. Tony? Speaker 300:06:57Thanks, Mike. I'm pleased with our continued progress and remain excited about the opportunities in front of us. We remain committed to providing our shareholders an attractive financial model balance between growth in revenues, earnings, cash flows and a prudent and purposeful capital allocation strategy. Looking to our 3rd quarter results, total revenue was $287,000,000 up 3.3 percent year over year and 4.3% on an organic basis. Our social sector, which represents the majority of Blackbaud's revenue at approximately 89% in the quarter, continues to perform very well with revenue growth of 6.6%. Speaker 300:07:38Our corporate sector decline, as Mike mentioned, was again negatively influenced by EverFi. Although it only represents 7% of total company revenue in the quarter, Everfi declined 26% year over year in the quarter. We expect headwinds at Everfi to continue in the near term, which is reflected in our revised guide. And as Mike said earlier, we're pursuing strategic alternatives for this business through the hiring of Goldman Sachs and have recently reduced EVERFI's expense run rate to better align with the lower revenue outlook. Moving below the revenue line, our 3rd quarter adjusted EBITDA margin was 33.2%. Speaker 300:08:17We generated $98,000,000 of adjusted free cash flow in the 3rd quarter and $187,000,000 year to date, which is up from $177,000,000 from the same timeframe in 2023, despite the negative impact of additional interest expense associated with our share repurchase program. Our robust free cash flow gives us confidence to continue investment in a number of critical areas like product innovation and stock repurchases. We recently completed our previously announced $200,000,000 ASR program and when combined with our other stock repurchases, the company has bought back approximately 8% of our common stock outstanding as of the end of 2023. We plan to continue to be aggressive in the Q4 repurchasing our stock with our goal of buying back up to 10% of our outstanding common stock. Before I talk about our revised annual guidance, I'd like to highlight several items for you to think about, which may help in developing your models for the remainder of the year and for 2025. Speaker 300:09:20Regarding revenue, in addition to the continued anticipated softness of EVERFI, we have not experienced any of the unusually large viral events like we did in 2023. So if you extract those events, our transactional business is growing nicely at more normalized rates. 2nd, our modernized approach to renewal contracts in the social sector continues to perform well. By the end of 2024, approximately 65% of the eligible cohort will have gone through the shift to modernize contract terms and pricing, leaving approximately 25% in 2025 and the last 10% in 2026. The Q3 of 2024 represents the Q1 in which we lapped the renewal pricing uplift in a meaningful way, which is reflected in our social contractual recurring revenue growth rate of approximately 7% in the quarter compared to approximately 10% the past 2 quarters. Speaker 300:10:22And finally, while our modernized renewal contracts have price escalators in years 23, the revenue is recognized on a straight line basis. So for example, in a 3 year contract, the total contract value is divided by 36 and recognized evenly over the full term. Turning to guidance. We are revising our full year guidance ranges, which takes into consideration that the core social sector continued to perform well. However, we continue to expect underperformance at EVERFI. Speaker 300:10:54Therefore, we revised our full year 2024 guidance as follows. Revenue in the range of $1,150,000,000 to $1,160,000,000 At the midpoint, our organic growth rate is 5.2%, up from 4.8% last year. At the same time, we are increasing our adjusted EBITDA margin guidance range slightly to 33% to 34%, up from 32.2% last year. Non GAAP earnings per share is expected to be between $3.98 $4.16 up slightly from $3.98 last year. This guidance does take into account the negative impact of EVERFI underperformance as well as approximately $20,000,000 in incremental interest expense associated with our share repurchase program. Speaker 300:11:46Also of note, the full repurchase share count is not yet fully reflected in our diluted shares outstanding and will not be fully reflected until sometime in 2025. Lastly, our adjusted free cash flow is expected to be between $235,000,000 2 $45,000,000 a 12% increase over 2023 at the midpoint. We have a lot to be proud of as we work to close the year strong. We continue to execute on our operating plan, which is driving consistent revenue growth and enviable earnings and cash flow. We're especially pleased with the performance of our core social sector and have confidence in its ability to continue to produce highly profitable growth going forward. Speaker 300:12:30We also, as Mike discussed, are committed to removing the negative impact of EVERFI, which will aid our financial numbers significantly. As always, we remain focused on providing enhanced value to our customers and our shareholders. Let me turn it back over to Mike for a quick comment and then we'll open the line for your questions. Mike? Speaker 200:12:47Thank you, Tony. We remain excited about the future in front of us. We'll provide specific fiscal year 2025 guidance in our February call, but I'd like to highlight why Blackbaud is a sound investment. Regarding organic revenue, you can expect mid single digit revenue growth with a call option for more, driven by visible and full reoccurring revenue streams, targeting both new logos and expansion of our installed base empowered by innovation. Below the line, you can expect a strong focus on cost, employee productivity to improve EBITDA. Speaker 200:13:22Additionally, our very strong free cash flow will drive a purposeful capital allocation strategy. This includes a significant annual buyback program as well as prudent and effective M and A focused on tuck ins to accelerate our R and D. With that, we can open the line for questions. Operator? Operator00:13:44Thank you. We will now take our first question from Rob Oliver with Baird. Go ahead, caller. Your line is now open. Speaker 400:14:14Great. Thank you. Good morning. I appreciate you taking the question. Tony, I appreciate your explanation on lapping some of the pricing on the social sector stuff. Speaker 400:14:22But I just wanted to dive in a little bit, totally get what's going on with Everfi and that that's weighing on the growth rate. But it does appear that the social sector full year for 2024 growth rate ticked down a little bit at least in terms of your expectations relative to Q2. So I know you guys are doing well there, but I just wanted to get a sense from you of what if anything changed relative to your expectations exiting Q2, whether that's willingness to accept the price increases, any of those 1 year contracts that perhaps were up for renewal, which you flagged about a year ago, which were ones you had a keen eye on or anything else to call out there would be helpful. Thank you. Speaker 300:15:02Thanks, Rob. On the social side, everything's performing very well, especially on the contract initiative. Overall, the pricing has stuck. We've not seen heightened discounting on that front with those contract renewals. The mix, the percentage of folks that are choosing the multiyear contracts versus the 1 year contracts is still running right in line with plan, kind of in the mid to high 80% typically is what we're seeing for folks taking 3 year contracts. Speaker 300:15:33We're seeing a small number of customers who for regulatory purposes or other governing rules can't do multiyear contracts. So we're working through that and how we will deal with those contracts going forward. And then on the churn piece of the 1 year as we spoke about something we're keeping a close eye on, actually that churn rate is holding right in line with plan as well. Keep in mind, it's a much smaller pool with the mid-80s shifting to a multiyear contract. We have a lot fewer 1 year contracts. Speaker 300:16:04There is a slightly higher churn rate on those as we would expect. But in totality, our gross dollar retention is probably the best metric to look at on that front. In totality, gross dollar retention is right at about 90% for the total company. We exclude Everfi, we're actually at 92%, which is up from where we were a couple of years ago on the social sector side. So feel really good on how we're doing on the retention front and also what we're getting on pricing on those contracts. Speaker 300:16:32I don't know if there's really anything on the contractual side that causes us to expect to have a slightly lower growth rate on the social sector business. It's really transactional related. Last year, if you recall, we had really high growth because of viral events in Q3 and Q4. I think we ended up a year at almost 11% on the social transactional growth rate. Our historical is kind of 6% to 7%. Speaker 300:16:58We're running right at 6.5%, 7% right now year to date, I believe. And so we're, I think, coming along pretty well on transactional. We just haven't seen the viral that we saw last year and really haven't had no meaningful viral yet this year and aren't planning for any for the remainder of the year, Rob. Speaker 400:17:18Great. Awesome. Okay. Thanks. I appreciate it. Speaker 400:17:21Absolutely. Operator00:17:26Our next question comes from Brian Peterson with Raymond James. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 300:17:32Hi, guys. Thanks for taking the question. So Tony, maybe following up Speaker 500:17:34on that. How do we think about maybe the long term growth trajectory of the transactional business kind of absent any of these viral events, which we can't predict? I know Mike talked about mid single digit growth, but would love to understand how you're thinking about kind of the contractual recurring versus transactional as we look at that outlook? Speaker 300:17:54Yes, Brian, thanks. The transactional side of the business, like I said, is it's grown 6% to 7%. That's kind of the norm for us for several years. I would expect that's a good kind of assumption to make for your models for the longer term. When we talk about having some call options for upside, I think that's where if we have some big viral events in a given period would drive that growth rate up like we saw last year in Q3 and Q4. Speaker 300:18:19I think also with some of the newer transactional innovation that we're rolling out across the platform and the portfolio. We could have some higher growth rates in the future as those programs start to get some traction. But right now, I think somewhere in that 6% to 7% rate is a good assumption to make modeling for transactions. Hence, we're kind of saying mid single digit overall because I think once we've lapped the pricing initiative, the new contract initiative, we're seeing growth rates more in the 6.5% to 7% rate on the contractual social. So I think that somewhere in that ballpark is probably a really good assumption for your models. Speaker 200:18:56Hey Brian, I want to add is one of the things we announced at ED Con in our product and innovation section was a new solution called Payment Assist, which is a brand new product in the transaction space for us. And we're essentially monetizing accounts payables for our customers and eliminating checks, which we've never done before. It's going to take a while for that to build, but it is a brand new product in the transaction space for us. Absolutely. Speaker 500:19:30Yes. Great color there guys. And maybe just a follow-up on EverFi. I know you've given a ton of detail there, but we'd love to understand with you guys rightsizing some of the costs there. How should we think about the margin profile of that business versus the core Blackbaud accretive, dilutive, in line? Speaker 500:19:45Just would love the perspective there. Thanks guys. Speaker 300:19:48Yes, Brian. It is even with the rightsizing is still dilutive. We've done such a great job of getting our margins up. As you know, that business because of the shortness, the shortfall in revenue, even with rightsizing the cost structure still going to be dilutive on the bottom line and from a cash flow perspective. I would say we've seen some very positive signs here very recently on some new wins. Speaker 300:20:14And maybe Mike, you could talk about a couple of those. I do think that we saw some significant decline in that business over the last couple of years, but that does feel like we're starting to bottom out. I don't know that we're completely there yet, but Mike, maybe you mentioned a couple of the new wins that we've seen because we've seen some nice new appetite in the market on Everbody. Speaker 200:20:31Yes. Brian, just a reminder, Everbody is 7% of our business, just to make sure everyone understands that. And yes, we took some pretty substantial cost out of it recently. So the run rate is a lot better go forward. And to Tony's point, over last quarter, we've got some really nice EverFi renewals, new logo wins, a couple I'll mention, Truth Initiative Foundation, NASCAR, Guardian Life, Sterling Check, and there's many more too. Speaker 200:21:03Those are new logos or expansions in the last quarter. So I don't want folks to think it's all doom and gloom with EVERFI. We are looking at alternatives with Goldman Sachs. I mentioned in my prepared remarks, we're pretty aggressive there. We are addressing the EverFi drag on the performance, but there are some upsides there related to the marketplace reception in some of these logos. Speaker 300:21:34Appreciate the color. Thanks guys. Thanks Brian. Operator00:21:39Our next question comes from Parker Lane with Stifel. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 600:21:45Yes. Hi, guys. Thanks for taking the question this morning. Mike, maybe we could focus in on the 6 waves of innovation. I know you mentioned, the payments assist earlier, but what is resonating the most or what resonated the most at your conference with the customers that you spoke with? Speaker 600:21:59And how should we think about the benefit of this innovation? Is this going to be better growth retention in the business? Do you expect individual shoots of Operator00:22:09upside across subscription and payments? How should we Speaker 600:22:09just think about the financial benefits of Blackbaud? Subscription and payments? How should we just think about the financial benefit to Blackbaud? Speaker 200:22:15Yes, sure. We announced a lot of things at BBCon. Details are on our website as well. So from areas like embedded AI and solutions like Razer's Edge NXT to better integration and interoperability, which allows us to sell more modules and cross sell to existing customers, some future capabilities with Financial Edge NXT, Payment Assist is just one of them, better integration, partnership with Constant Contact. So they're going to be a great marketing partner, marketing platform partner for us. Speaker 200:22:54We already have a lot of shared customers. So we announced that at the conference as well. So all of these innovations are really just our kind of focus on continuing to earn the right these contract renewals and getting new logos. And so their reception at BBCon was just outstanding. And because it's recorded, we'll have thousands and thousands of more customers looking at all that information in addition to folks that actually attended in the at the conference in Seattle. Speaker 200:23:28So our engineering team and product teams are just doing a great job in driving innovation. Speaker 600:23:35Good to hear. And then Tony, you mentioned the gross retention improvements now sitting around 90%, 92x EverFi. Just wondering as you look at the new pricing and contracting structure, clearly, benefiting there. But what could that look like over the next few years? Is that the right way to think about the business or could that perhaps even continue to be more of a tailwind going forward to the top line? Speaker 300:23:59Well, I think Mark, where we're really seeing the benefit of pricing is on the net retention because of the uplift and we don't give net retention numbers publicly, but I can tell you our net retention has bumped up nicely with the new contract initiative. The gross, if you recall, we're looking at kind of where were those customers prior year and then did they renew. We're not giving any credence to any of the uplift in the gross dollar retention. So I do feel good. I think our initiatives that we've done over the last several years with customer success, the work we've done in the area of customer support, Mike was just speaking about all the innovation we're doing. Speaker 300:24:37I think that really speaks to the gross dollar retention. And I'm kind of hopeful we'll stay in that, something north of 90% would be our intention as a company on the gross dollar. Speaker 600:24:49Understood. Thanks again guys. Operator00:24:55Our next question comes from Matt Van Vliet with BTIG. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 700:25:01Yes, good morning. Thanks for taking the question. I guess, first, on the EVERFI side, just trying to understand, are you seeing just a number of kind of downsizes upon renewal and just a lack of new deals there? Or is there a meaningful amount of true logo churn going on there for decisions on their own the customer side? Speaker 200:25:23Yes. Hey, Matt, it's a little bit of both in the last couple of years. The market pressed pause, I guess, in the space a little bit. We have a big footprint, I'll give you an example, in financial services, specifically in banking. And some of the regional banks pulled back. Speaker 200:25:45Silicon Valley Bank was a customer, for example. So there's some pullback a little bit in financial services and some shifts in program spend. So it's been a little bit on the renewal and expansion side and on the new bookings side. But remember, EverFi has got thousands of customers. And in the 3 years EverFi has been a part of Blackbaud, I've met hundreds of customers myself and everyone is enamored with the product and solution. Speaker 200:26:16There's just been some macro pullback in the space, which is called the cause of the business to have it struggle from a growth. In fact, it's going backwards a bit. But it's not all doom and gloom. I just mentioned a bunch of logos. We've got Goldman Sachs on the case here to work with us. Speaker 200:26:34So we'll resolve this problem. We just took some cost out. We are focused on making sure it's not a drag on the company. Again, it's 7% of the total, but we're working on it and I think we'll have some outcomes to announce hopefully in the next period of time. Speaker 700:26:55And then how has that impacted the YourCause and the foundation side of the business? How has that been progressing so far? Speaker 200:27:03Yes. YourCause is actually doing really well. Everfi has not impacted YourCause. And so we're doing really well on YourCause. A lot of great new logos there. Speaker 200:27:15It's organically growing, frankly, accretive to the rest of the social sector. So it's a part of corporate impact. Again, EverFi is 7% of the company. YourCause is doing really well. It's a very sticky platform. Speaker 200:27:33We've got over 16,000,000 employees on the platform. So lots of Fortune 500 customers, good pipeline. YourCause is doing well. Thank you. You're welcome. Speaker 300:27:50Thanks, Matt. Operator00:27:55Our next question comes from Kirk Materne with Evercore. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 100:28:01Yes, thanks very much. Mike, I was just curious on the contractual recurring business, just bookings in that area, how are they looking, I guess, relative to plan? It seems like things are going along well. I was just wondering if you could add maybe a little bit more color there on just sort of net new relative to sort of the new pricing on the rental side? Speaker 200:28:23Yes. We don't break out the micro of bookings, but net new logos are actually doing really well year over year. They're up nicely in the new logo side. And we've really shifted the teams more to new logos in the last 12 or 18 months. That shift of the older products like in Razer's Edge and Financial Edge to the cloud solutions is largely behind us now. Speaker 200:28:50We've only been selling cloud solutions for years, but we've had some customers on the older license type products and that's a really tiny part of what's left. So big shift to new logos and that's going well. Sales productivity is up. I mentioned a bunch of higher ed new logo wins in my prepared remarks and we expect that to continue. The predominant softness in bookings is EVERFI. Speaker 200:29:19I mentioned YourCause bookings are going pretty well also. Speaker 100:29:24Okay, great. And then Tony, can you just remind us, sorry, you might have mentioned this last quarter, but the divested, the non recurring services business that was divested for Everfi, how big of a drag on sort of growth in the corporate side was that this quarter or how is it factored into the 12% down this year? Speaker 300:29:43When we revised our guidance Kirk at the end of Q1 for that divestiture, and it was about $6,000,000 of revenue that we took out for the year. Speaker 400:29:55Okay. Thank Speaker 100:29:57Thank you for the reminder. Speaker 300:29:58Appreciate it. Thank you Speaker 200:30:00all. You're welcome. Speaker 100:30:02Okay, everyone. I think that's the end of the questions. I want to thank everyone for joining us today. We'll be attending a number of investor events to include several investor conferences in November December, which are now listed on our Investor Relations site. Of course, I'm always happy to speak to you directly and we look forward to speaking with you soon and have a nice day. Operator00:30:24This concludes today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. ThankRead morePowered by