NASDAQ:FGI FGI Industries Q3 2024 Earnings Report $0.54 -0.01 (-2.55%) Closing price 05/21/2025 03:49 PM EasternExtended Trading$0.56 +0.02 (+4.29%) As of 04:03 AM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings History FGI Industries EPS ResultsActual EPS-$0.01Consensus EPS -$0.03Beat/MissBeat by +$0.02One Year Ago EPS$0.05FGI Industries Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$36.10 millionExpected Revenue$30.80 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$5.30 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/AFGI Industries Announcement DetailsQuarterQ3 2024Date11/11/2024TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateTuesday, November 12, 2024Conference Call Time9:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsFGI Industries' Q2 2025 earnings is scheduled for Wednesday, August 6, 2025, with a conference call scheduled on Thursday, August 7, 2025 at 9:00 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by FGI Industries Q3 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrNovember 12, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 5 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good day, and welcome to the FGI Industries Third Quarter 2024 Results Conference Call. All participants will be in listen only mode. Speaker 100:00:19Mode. Operator00:00:28Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Jay Chung, Vice President of FGI Industries. Please go ahead. Speaker 200:00:36Thank you. Welcome to FGI Industries' 2024 Third Quarter Results conference call. Leading the call today are President and CEO, David Bruce and Chief Financial Officer, Perry Lynn. We issued a press release after the market closed yesterday detailing our recent operational and financial results. I would like to remind you that management's commentary and responses to questions on today's conference call may include forward looking statements, which by their nature are uncertain and outside of the company's control. Speaker 200:01:07Although these forward looking statements are based on management's current expectations and beliefs, actual results may differ materially. For a discussion of some of the factors that could cause actual results to differ, please refer to the Risk Factors section of our latest filings with the SEC. Additionally, please note that you can find reconciliations of historical non GAAP financial measures in the press release issued yesterday and in the appendix of this presentation, which is available on the company's Web site. Today's call will begin with a performance review and strategic update from Dave Bruce, followed by a financial review from Perry Lynn. At the conclusion of these prepared remarks, we will open the line for questions. Speaker 200:01:48With that, I'll turn the call over to Dave. Speaker 300:01:51Thank you, Jay. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining our call today. I am pleased to share our Q3 results reflect the strategic investments we've made in our organic growth initiatives across our brands, products and channels or BPC strategy. FGI reported total revenue of $36,100,000 in the quarter, representing a year over year increase of 20.6%. Gross profit was a record $9,300,000 growing 18.9% compared to the prior year. Speaker 300:02:23Gross margin was 25.8% compared to 26.2%, a decline of 40 basis points compared to the Q3 of 2023, due in part to a higher mix of sanitary ware and bath furniture and higher freight costs in the bath furniture and cover bridge segments. The industry outlook remains relatively flat overall with our customers forecasting minimal growth in 2024, but our investments have driven revenue growth well above the market. FGI's 3rd quarter revenue increased significantly compared to the Q3 2023 due to growth across all our businesses and geographies. Revenue grew 21%, 9% and 39% in the quarter for the U. S, Canada and Europe markets respectively. Speaker 300:03:12Sanitary wear revenue increased 3% year over year in the 3rd quarter reversing the decline in the prior quarter compared to the prior year period. Our bath furniture revenue increased 64% year over year as our shift towards lower priced offerings and new programs that are more aligned with the market pricing and design trends gain traction. The shower systems business reported an increase in revenue of 45% as demand trends remain positive driven by new customer programs. In custom kitchen cabinetry, covered bridge revenue increased 93% in the quarter driven by continued strong dealer and customer expansion across the U. S. Speaker 300:03:52Ayla Porter, our digital custom kitchen joint venture is off to a strong start establishing relationships with the premium design community with on trend products via an AI backed digital sales platform. Our geographic expansion plans in Europe and India hold significant promise of driving growth in coming quarters. Our strategic growth initiatives are progressing well and are expected to fuel above market organic future growth. I commend our FGI team for their dedication to our long term objectives, positioning the company for success for the remainder of 2024 and beyond. With that, I'll hand it over to Perry for a more detailed financial review. Speaker 400:04:34Thank you, Dave, and good morning, everyone. I will begin by providing additional details on the quarter, followed by an update on our current liquidity and balance sheet. Finally, I will conclude with our guidance for the full year 2024. As Dave mentioned, for the Q3 of 2024, revenue totaled $36,100,000 an increase of 20.6 percent compared to the Q3 of 2023. Gross profit was a record $9,300,000 in the quarter, an increase of 18.9% year over year. Speaker 400:05:09Our gross margin declined to 25.8% in the quarter compared to 26.2% in the prior year. Our operating expense increased 27.6% to 9,400,000 from 7,300,000 in the prior year due to ongoing investment in our growth initiative in the kitchen cabinet business which includes Coverbridge and idlerpotent and investing in distribution for our Canada business. GAAP operating income was negative 1000000 in the quarter, down from a positive 5000000 in the prior year. Lower gross margin and higher operating expense due to investing in our growth initiative accounted for the loss. Moving to our balance sheet. Speaker 400:05:58At the end of the quarter, FGI has 16,300,000 in total liquidity, which we believe is more than sufficient to fund our growth initiative. We are updating our 2024 guidance as follows. Our revised revenue guidance is $127,000,000 to $131,000,000 compared to the previous range 115,000,000 to 128,000,000. The new adjusted operating income guidance is negative 1,000,000 to breakeven from the previous range 2,800,000 to 3,800,000. The new adjusted net income guidance is negative 1,000,000 to breakeven from the previous guidance of 1,200,000 to 2,000,000. Speaker 400:06:44Please note that the guidance for adjusted operating income excludes certain non recurring items. Adjusted net income excludes certain non recurring items and includes an adjustment for minority interest. That concludes our prepared remarks. Operator, we are now ready for the question and answer portion of our call. Operator00:07:08We will now begin the question and answer session. And the first question comes from Reuben Garner with The Benchmark Company. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:07:41Thank you. Good morning, guys. Speaker 300:07:43Good morning. Good morning. Wondering Speaker 100:07:46if you could help us with the components of the growth year over year in the quarter. I mean, I certainly think it was still a down market and you grew 20%. How much of that was that new product offering within the bath furniture? Was that a one time kind of stocking benefit that goes away or is that an ongoing item? And I've got a couple of follow ups. Speaker 300:08:16Yes, sure. No problem. Good question. So no, it is not a one time event. We had a nice revenue bounce based on what we've been talking about the last couple of quarters, which is really reengineering that assortment to meet more of the pricing trends in the market, which we've talked about higher ticket, higher retail furniture has suffered more recently in the last year or so. Speaker 300:08:44And we've been working diligently to change that assortment and we're starting to see the results. We're getting new placement. We're taking some share. We've had a couple of large customers also do the same by adding new product into the mix and we would fully expect to see that type of growth continue as we start to comp this new business. Speaker 100:09:08Okay. And then can you talk about the impact on gross profit margins in the quarter? Is that I think it was 25.9% or 25.6%. Is that the new way to think about it with this new portfolio mix or was there anything kind of unique in the quarter that dragged it down? Speaker 300:09:28Yes, there was we don't expect these margins in the quarter that you saw continue. We fully would anticipate to get back to where we were in previous quarters. Mostly what drove the margin change in Q3 were a couple of things. 1, ocean freight rates did spike. They have been going up this year. Speaker 300:09:47They were higher in Q3 and we did have larger cabinet shipments from our kitchen business as you saw in the results, which impacted gross margin as well as the growth in the bathroom furniture and other products that we had brought in. So there was impact on freight. And at the same time, there were some promotional costs associated with launching some of the new bathroom furniture, which impacted margin. But we're very confident with the cadence that we have going into Q4 with the gross margin that we're going to get back to where we were in that 27 plus range for gross margin. Speaker 100:10:30Okay. And then so does that mean that that's the primary difference between your profitability guide from I mean you've outperformed on the revenue front, you raised your revenue guide, the profitability side comes in some. Is that entirely driven by the change in the freight component and the promotional piece? And I guess, was the promotional piece not expected before? Or was there new even new wins sort of post last quarter that impacted that? Speaker 300:11:02Yes. So I think there's 2 ways to look at this. So from a gross margin perspective, looking at that 25.6 number, whatever it was, 25.8, percent. That's like I said, we're very confident we're going to get back to that 27% plus number based on our mix. And with freight normalizing, again, we don't anticipate freight rates to be as spiked as they were in Q3. Speaker 300:11:26But I think you're also talking about operating expense, which impacted our bottom line, right? So our we expect and I think I mentioned this on one of the last calls, as we fully expect that we'll be able to leverage a lot of our operating costs. We have some good leverage here. And we fully expect that we'll be able to in the short term, in the near term and the midterm, continue to reduce our operating expense ratio, which is really critical and leverage what we are investing, particularly in the new businesses such as I La Porter and the Kitchen Growth, which has been large areas of investment for us, which have in the short term negatively impacted our bottom line. But as you're starting to see is now starting to impact positive results on the revenue side, which in turn will drive gross margin and gross profit dollars. Speaker 300:12:16So it's a twofold thing in the quarter that the continued investments in our what we feel are some of our key core growth categories, as well as that little bit of a blip with promotional costs and freight on the gross margin perspective. Speaker 100:12:32Okay, great. I'm going to sneak one more big picture question in. Sure. What are your customers saying today as I know it's early, but kind of initial thoughts for next year? I mean, I think there was a lot of optimism over the last couple of months that rates coming in could have a meaningful impact, but it seems that in the near term, at least, rates have actually gone. Speaker 100:12:54The other direction is a muted outlook for 'twenty five for the industry still the right way to look at it? Or do you sense that there is increasing optimism from your customers? Speaker 300:13:07I would say there's cautious optimism. I do think muted is a good term. I believe some of our industry comps for some of our customers, you're looking at 0 to low single digit growth potential next year. For us, however, we're starting to take share in some of the key categories we do business with that we do business in. And so we're not necessarily tied to where the market goes only because we're gaining incremental new sales. Speaker 300:13:41But to answer the question, I think the industry is cautiously optimistic about some improvements. And I think if rates, which we would it seems everybody expects that rates will improve and that should spur a little bit of market activity beyond just the incremental growth that we're expecting. Speaker 100:14:01Okay, great. Thanks, guys. Congrats on the progress and good luck since the year end. Speaker 300:14:05Great. Thank you. Operator00:14:09With no further questions, this concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to David Bruce for any closing remarks. Speaker 300:14:18Thank you for your time and interest today. We appreciate your continued support of FGI. Stay well and if we don't connect during the quarter, we look forward to speaking with you on our next quarterly call. Operator00:14:32The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.Read morePowered by Key Takeaways FGI reported Q3 revenue of $36.1M, up 20.6% year-over-year, with record gross profit of $9.3M; gross margin dipped to 25.8% due to a higher mix of sanitary ware, bath furniture and increased freight costs. Broad‐based growth was achieved across all regions—US revenue +21%, Canada +9%, Europe +39%—and key segments: bath furniture +64%, shower systems +45% and custom kitchen cabinetry +93%. Strategic BPC investments, including a redesigned lower-priced bath furniture assortment and the AI-backed JV Ayla Porter, are driving above-market organic growth and new customer wins. Operating expenses rose 27.6% to $9.4M to support kitchen business expansion and distribution in Canada, resulting in a GAAP operating loss of $1M, while maintaining $16.3M liquidity for future investments. 2024 guidance was updated to reflect a raised revenue range of $127–131M, with adjusted operating income now projected at a loss of $1M to breakeven, accounting for growth investments and non-recurring items. A.I. generated. May contain errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallFGI Industries Q3 202400:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2x Earnings DocumentsSlide DeckPress Release(8-K)Quarterly report(10-Q) FGI Industries Earnings HeadlinesNorthland Capmk Expects Lower Earnings for FGI IndustriesMay 20 at 2:21 AM | americanbankingnews.comFGI Industries Ltd.: FGI Industries Announces First Quarter 2025 ResultsMay 15, 2025 | finanznachrichten.deThe DOJ Just Said Your Money Isn’t YoursWhat If Washington Declared That: YOUR Money ISN'T Actually Yours? 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Email Address About FGI IndustriesFGI Industries (NASDAQ:FGI) supplies kitchen and bath products in the United States, Canada, Europe, and internationally. The company sells sanitaryware products, such as toilets, sinks, pedestals, and toilet seats; wood and wood-substitute furniture for bathrooms, including vanities, mirrors, laundry, medicine cabinets, and other storage systems; shower systems; and customer kitchen cabinetry and other accessory items under the Foremost, avenue, contrac, Jetcoat, rosenberg, and Covered Bridge Cabinetry brand names. It sells its products through home center retailers, online retailers, distributors, and independent dealers. The company was incorporated in 2021 and is headquartered in East Hanover, New Jersey. 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There are 5 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good day, and welcome to the FGI Industries Third Quarter 2024 Results Conference Call. All participants will be in listen only mode. Speaker 100:00:19Mode. Operator00:00:28Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Jay Chung, Vice President of FGI Industries. Please go ahead. Speaker 200:00:36Thank you. Welcome to FGI Industries' 2024 Third Quarter Results conference call. Leading the call today are President and CEO, David Bruce and Chief Financial Officer, Perry Lynn. We issued a press release after the market closed yesterday detailing our recent operational and financial results. I would like to remind you that management's commentary and responses to questions on today's conference call may include forward looking statements, which by their nature are uncertain and outside of the company's control. Speaker 200:01:07Although these forward looking statements are based on management's current expectations and beliefs, actual results may differ materially. For a discussion of some of the factors that could cause actual results to differ, please refer to the Risk Factors section of our latest filings with the SEC. Additionally, please note that you can find reconciliations of historical non GAAP financial measures in the press release issued yesterday and in the appendix of this presentation, which is available on the company's Web site. Today's call will begin with a performance review and strategic update from Dave Bruce, followed by a financial review from Perry Lynn. At the conclusion of these prepared remarks, we will open the line for questions. Speaker 200:01:48With that, I'll turn the call over to Dave. Speaker 300:01:51Thank you, Jay. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining our call today. I am pleased to share our Q3 results reflect the strategic investments we've made in our organic growth initiatives across our brands, products and channels or BPC strategy. FGI reported total revenue of $36,100,000 in the quarter, representing a year over year increase of 20.6%. Gross profit was a record $9,300,000 growing 18.9% compared to the prior year. Speaker 300:02:23Gross margin was 25.8% compared to 26.2%, a decline of 40 basis points compared to the Q3 of 2023, due in part to a higher mix of sanitary ware and bath furniture and higher freight costs in the bath furniture and cover bridge segments. The industry outlook remains relatively flat overall with our customers forecasting minimal growth in 2024, but our investments have driven revenue growth well above the market. FGI's 3rd quarter revenue increased significantly compared to the Q3 2023 due to growth across all our businesses and geographies. Revenue grew 21%, 9% and 39% in the quarter for the U. S, Canada and Europe markets respectively. Speaker 300:03:12Sanitary wear revenue increased 3% year over year in the 3rd quarter reversing the decline in the prior quarter compared to the prior year period. Our bath furniture revenue increased 64% year over year as our shift towards lower priced offerings and new programs that are more aligned with the market pricing and design trends gain traction. The shower systems business reported an increase in revenue of 45% as demand trends remain positive driven by new customer programs. In custom kitchen cabinetry, covered bridge revenue increased 93% in the quarter driven by continued strong dealer and customer expansion across the U. S. Speaker 300:03:52Ayla Porter, our digital custom kitchen joint venture is off to a strong start establishing relationships with the premium design community with on trend products via an AI backed digital sales platform. Our geographic expansion plans in Europe and India hold significant promise of driving growth in coming quarters. Our strategic growth initiatives are progressing well and are expected to fuel above market organic future growth. I commend our FGI team for their dedication to our long term objectives, positioning the company for success for the remainder of 2024 and beyond. With that, I'll hand it over to Perry for a more detailed financial review. Speaker 400:04:34Thank you, Dave, and good morning, everyone. I will begin by providing additional details on the quarter, followed by an update on our current liquidity and balance sheet. Finally, I will conclude with our guidance for the full year 2024. As Dave mentioned, for the Q3 of 2024, revenue totaled $36,100,000 an increase of 20.6 percent compared to the Q3 of 2023. Gross profit was a record $9,300,000 in the quarter, an increase of 18.9% year over year. Speaker 400:05:09Our gross margin declined to 25.8% in the quarter compared to 26.2% in the prior year. Our operating expense increased 27.6% to 9,400,000 from 7,300,000 in the prior year due to ongoing investment in our growth initiative in the kitchen cabinet business which includes Coverbridge and idlerpotent and investing in distribution for our Canada business. GAAP operating income was negative 1000000 in the quarter, down from a positive 5000000 in the prior year. Lower gross margin and higher operating expense due to investing in our growth initiative accounted for the loss. Moving to our balance sheet. Speaker 400:05:58At the end of the quarter, FGI has 16,300,000 in total liquidity, which we believe is more than sufficient to fund our growth initiative. We are updating our 2024 guidance as follows. Our revised revenue guidance is $127,000,000 to $131,000,000 compared to the previous range 115,000,000 to 128,000,000. The new adjusted operating income guidance is negative 1,000,000 to breakeven from the previous range 2,800,000 to 3,800,000. The new adjusted net income guidance is negative 1,000,000 to breakeven from the previous guidance of 1,200,000 to 2,000,000. Speaker 400:06:44Please note that the guidance for adjusted operating income excludes certain non recurring items. Adjusted net income excludes certain non recurring items and includes an adjustment for minority interest. That concludes our prepared remarks. Operator, we are now ready for the question and answer portion of our call. Operator00:07:08We will now begin the question and answer session. And the first question comes from Reuben Garner with The Benchmark Company. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:07:41Thank you. Good morning, guys. Speaker 300:07:43Good morning. Good morning. Wondering Speaker 100:07:46if you could help us with the components of the growth year over year in the quarter. I mean, I certainly think it was still a down market and you grew 20%. How much of that was that new product offering within the bath furniture? Was that a one time kind of stocking benefit that goes away or is that an ongoing item? And I've got a couple of follow ups. Speaker 300:08:16Yes, sure. No problem. Good question. So no, it is not a one time event. We had a nice revenue bounce based on what we've been talking about the last couple of quarters, which is really reengineering that assortment to meet more of the pricing trends in the market, which we've talked about higher ticket, higher retail furniture has suffered more recently in the last year or so. Speaker 300:08:44And we've been working diligently to change that assortment and we're starting to see the results. We're getting new placement. We're taking some share. We've had a couple of large customers also do the same by adding new product into the mix and we would fully expect to see that type of growth continue as we start to comp this new business. Speaker 100:09:08Okay. And then can you talk about the impact on gross profit margins in the quarter? Is that I think it was 25.9% or 25.6%. Is that the new way to think about it with this new portfolio mix or was there anything kind of unique in the quarter that dragged it down? Speaker 300:09:28Yes, there was we don't expect these margins in the quarter that you saw continue. We fully would anticipate to get back to where we were in previous quarters. Mostly what drove the margin change in Q3 were a couple of things. 1, ocean freight rates did spike. They have been going up this year. Speaker 300:09:47They were higher in Q3 and we did have larger cabinet shipments from our kitchen business as you saw in the results, which impacted gross margin as well as the growth in the bathroom furniture and other products that we had brought in. So there was impact on freight. And at the same time, there were some promotional costs associated with launching some of the new bathroom furniture, which impacted margin. But we're very confident with the cadence that we have going into Q4 with the gross margin that we're going to get back to where we were in that 27 plus range for gross margin. Speaker 100:10:30Okay. And then so does that mean that that's the primary difference between your profitability guide from I mean you've outperformed on the revenue front, you raised your revenue guide, the profitability side comes in some. Is that entirely driven by the change in the freight component and the promotional piece? And I guess, was the promotional piece not expected before? Or was there new even new wins sort of post last quarter that impacted that? Speaker 300:11:02Yes. So I think there's 2 ways to look at this. So from a gross margin perspective, looking at that 25.6 number, whatever it was, 25.8, percent. That's like I said, we're very confident we're going to get back to that 27% plus number based on our mix. And with freight normalizing, again, we don't anticipate freight rates to be as spiked as they were in Q3. Speaker 300:11:26But I think you're also talking about operating expense, which impacted our bottom line, right? So our we expect and I think I mentioned this on one of the last calls, as we fully expect that we'll be able to leverage a lot of our operating costs. We have some good leverage here. And we fully expect that we'll be able to in the short term, in the near term and the midterm, continue to reduce our operating expense ratio, which is really critical and leverage what we are investing, particularly in the new businesses such as I La Porter and the Kitchen Growth, which has been large areas of investment for us, which have in the short term negatively impacted our bottom line. But as you're starting to see is now starting to impact positive results on the revenue side, which in turn will drive gross margin and gross profit dollars. Speaker 300:12:16So it's a twofold thing in the quarter that the continued investments in our what we feel are some of our key core growth categories, as well as that little bit of a blip with promotional costs and freight on the gross margin perspective. Speaker 100:12:32Okay, great. I'm going to sneak one more big picture question in. Sure. What are your customers saying today as I know it's early, but kind of initial thoughts for next year? I mean, I think there was a lot of optimism over the last couple of months that rates coming in could have a meaningful impact, but it seems that in the near term, at least, rates have actually gone. Speaker 100:12:54The other direction is a muted outlook for 'twenty five for the industry still the right way to look at it? Or do you sense that there is increasing optimism from your customers? Speaker 300:13:07I would say there's cautious optimism. I do think muted is a good term. I believe some of our industry comps for some of our customers, you're looking at 0 to low single digit growth potential next year. For us, however, we're starting to take share in some of the key categories we do business with that we do business in. And so we're not necessarily tied to where the market goes only because we're gaining incremental new sales. Speaker 300:13:41But to answer the question, I think the industry is cautiously optimistic about some improvements. And I think if rates, which we would it seems everybody expects that rates will improve and that should spur a little bit of market activity beyond just the incremental growth that we're expecting. Speaker 100:14:01Okay, great. Thanks, guys. Congrats on the progress and good luck since the year end. Speaker 300:14:05Great. Thank you. Operator00:14:09With no further questions, this concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to David Bruce for any closing remarks. Speaker 300:14:18Thank you for your time and interest today. We appreciate your continued support of FGI. Stay well and if we don't connect during the quarter, we look forward to speaking with you on our next quarterly call. Operator00:14:32The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.Read morePowered by