Natural Resource Partners Q3 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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November 5, 2024

There are 7 speakers on the call.

Operator

Thank you for standing by. My name is Danica and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Natural Resource Partners LP Third Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session.

Speaker 1

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Operator

would now like to turn the call over to Tiffany Sammis, Manager of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Speaker 2

Thank you. Good morning, and welcome to the Natural Resource Partners' Q3 2024 Conference Call. Today's call is being webcast and a replay will be available on our website. Joining me today are Craig Nunez, President and Chief Operating Officer Chris Zolas, Chief Financial Officer and Kevin Craig, Executive Vice President. Some of our comments today may include forward looking statements reflecting NRP's views about future events.

Speaker 2

These matters involve risks and uncertainties that could cause our actual results to materially differ from our forward looking statements. These risks are discussed in NRP's Form 10 ks and other Securities and Exchange Commission filings. We undertake no obligation to revise or update publicly any forward looking statements for any reason. Our comments today also include non GAAP financial measures. Additional details and reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP measures are included in our Q3 press release, which can be found on our website.

Speaker 2

I would like to remind everyone that we do not intend to discuss the operations or outlook for any particular coal lessee or detailed market fundamentals. Now, I would like to turn the call over to Craig Nunez, our President and Chief Operating Officer.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Tiffany, and good morning, everyone. NRP generated $55,000,000 of free cash flow in the Q3 and $263,000,000 of free cash flow over the last 12 months. While we realized lower prices for metallurgical and thermal coal during the quarter and significantly lower prices for soda ash, we continue to generate robust free cash flow and make noteworthy progress toward our goal of eliminating all financial obligations. Notably, we paid off the remaining $32,000,000 of preferred securities during the quarter and are now free of all preferred and warrant liabilities. As of today, our total remaining financial obligations, which consists solely of debt, stand at $181,000,000 a decrease of 44% from 1 year ago.

Speaker 1

While we believe the current market softness for our key commodities will persist for the foreseeable future, resulting in a material drop in our expected free cash flow as compared to the last 12 months, we remain on track with our deleveraging plan. We will continue to pay down debt with internally generated cash in the coming months and look forward to the day when common unitholders will have no competing claims on the partnership's free cash flow. We remain steadfast in our belief that this is the best strategy to maximize intrinsic value per unit. Additionally, in October, we closed a 5 year bank credit facility that extends our revolvers maturity date over 2 years to October 2029. This extension provides us with greater financial flexibility and further de risks our capital structure.

Speaker 1

We have an exceptional group of banks that have become more than lenders. They are trusted business partners. Our mineral rights segment generated $54,000,000 of free cash flow during the Q3. Soft global steel demand continues to pressure metallurgical coal prices and low priced North American natural gas and high coal inventory levels at electric generating facilities continue to depress thermal coal prices. We do not expect material market improvement in the near term.

Speaker 1

Longer term, we believe secular demand trends for steel, industry labor shortages, higher cost of production and limited investment in new coal supply will provide support for metallurgical prices at attractive levels when compared to historical norms. Long term thermal prices should benefit from input cost inflation, labor shortages and limited new investment. But we expect the positive impact on thermal prices from those factors to be more than offset by the continued long term secular decline in North American thermal demand. Turning to soda ash, we received a $6,000,000 cash distribution from Sys Jam Wyoming in the Q3 of 2024, which is $17,000,000 less than the distribution received for the Q3 of last year. This decline reflects significantly lower soda ash prices, resulting from the massive influx of new soda ash production capacity over the last 18 months and softening demand for flat glass used in construction and automobiles.

Speaker 1

Soda ash prices are at their lowest levels in decades and while our long term outlook remains quite positive, we believe it will take several years for the market to reach an equilibrium that supports the higher price levels realized for most of the last decade. As a result, we expect distributions from Shishajam, Wyoming to remain below historical norms for the foreseeable future. While our near term soda ash outlook may appear more pessimistic than that of others, we prefer to plan conservatively and be pleasantly surprised if the market outperforms our expectations. Long term, our soda ash facility remains one of the world's lowest cost producers of a commodity that has favorable fundamentals linked to growth in renewable energy, the urbanization of society and the electrification of the global auto fleet. These characteristics provide one of the most durable competitive moats that we've seen in a commodity producer.

Speaker 1

Regarding our carbon neutral initiatives or C and I for short, we continue to explore opportunities to lease our mineral and surface assets for underground CO2 sequestration, forest CO2 sequestration, lithium production and the generation of electricity using geothermal wind and solar energy. We have observed a notable slowdown in the leasing of acreage for underground CO2 sequestration. Project developers are reluctant to invest capital in light of the uncertain regulatory and political environment. On a positive note, we are seeing increased leasing activity by lithium, solar and geothermal developers. While upfront lease bonuses from individual lithium, solar and geothermal leases are not material to the overall partnership, we do see these as positive steps in the expansion of our C and I portfolio.

Speaker 1

And with that, I'll turn it over to Chris to cover our financial results.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Craig. In the Q3 of 2024, NRP generated $39,000,000 of net income, dollars 54,000,000 of operating cash flow and $55,000,000 of free cash flow. Our Mineral Rights segment generated $41,000,000 of net income and $54,000,000 of both operating cash flow and free cash flow during the Q3 of 2024. When compared to the prior year quarter, our Mineral Rights segment net income decreased $20,000,000 and both operating cash flow and free cash flow decreased $7,000,000 These decreases were primarily due to soft coal markets resulting in lower metallurgical and thermal coal sales prices. Regarding our Q3 2024 met thermal coal royalty mix, metallurgical coal made up approximately 75% of our coal royalty revenues and 55% of coal royalty sales volumes.

Speaker 3

Shifting to our soda ash business segment, net income in the Q3 of 2024 was $8,000,000 a decrease of $4,000,000 compared to the prior year quarter. This decrease was due to lower sales prices driven by an oversupplied market and weakened demand for construction flat glass. Free cash flow from this segment was $6,000,000 in the Q3 of 2024, a decrease of $17,000,000 as compared to the prior year quarter. Soda ash pricing has declined from the record highs seen last year and until demand for flat glass rebounds and the market is able to absorb the additional supply from China, we expect prices to remain muted and our distributions received from Sitcici and Wyoming to reflect the business performance. Moving to our Corporate and Financing segment.

Speaker 3

In the Q3 of 2024, we achieved another milestone towards our goal of eliminating our financial obligations by redeeming the final $32,000,000 of outstanding preferred units. I'm pleased to note that we were able to redeem all of the originally issued $250,000,000 preferred units at par with cash. Having the preferred units redeemed saves us $30,000,000 in annual cash flow compared to when all of the originally issued preferred units were outstanding. We're also pleased to have settled the final tranche of outstanding warrants last quarter. In aggregate, we settled the originally issued $4,000,000 warrants with $131,000,000 of cash and by issuing just under 288,000 common units.

Speaker 3

For your reference, if all the originally issued warrants were still outstanding today, the settlement amount would be approximately $265,000,000 or 2,800,000 common units. As a result of accomplishing these milestones, our remaining financial obligations consist only of debt and sit at just under $200,000,000 at the end of the Q3. As of today, our debt balance is $181,000,000 as we continue to make progress paying down our credit facility with internally generated free cash flow. And just last month, we further de risked the partnership by mening our $200,000,000 credit facility, which lengthen the runway of liquidity available to us by over 2 years to October 2029 and gives us greater financial flexibility. For the segment's Q3 2024 financial results, net income, operating cash flow and free cash flow each decreased $1,000,000 compared to the prior year quarter, primarily as a result of higher interest expense and cash paid for interest due to the increased borrowings outstanding on the credit facility in 2024 that were used to permanently retire the preferred units and warrants.

Speaker 3

Lastly, regarding our quarterly distributions, in August of 2024, we declared and paid a 1st quarter distribution of $0.75 per common unit and a $1,000,000 cash distribution to our preferred unitholders. And today, we announced our Q3 distribution of $0.75 per common unit and to be paid later this month. And with that, I'll turn the call back over to Danica, our operator, for questions.

Operator

Thank you. It looks like we have one question from Mark Sand with Wexford. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Greg, how are you doing?

Speaker 1

Hello, Mark. How are you? We're doing well. We're good.

Speaker 4

It's good to hear you and congratulations. I missed the very beginning of the call, so I'm unclear on what exactly you need to do, if anything, in order to basically be unconstrained in your ability to pay dividends. I'd heard part about wanting to pay down debt. But with the redemption of the preferred and the extinguishment of the warrants, is it just your desire? Just explain to me what your thoughts are going forward in terms of distributions?

Speaker 1

Our goal is still to get to the point where we have eliminated or practically eliminated all of our liabilities, which currently stand at $181,000,000 of debt before we consider doing other things with the free cash that we have generated. And as we've talked to you about in the past, we're not making forecasts of this specific date that we believe that that will happen. But it is you can look at our run rate of cash flow, free cash and you can look at the outstanding balance and you can see that we appear to be coming up on the cusp of reaching that point.

Speaker 4

So is your goal really to get debt down to 0?

Speaker 1

Well, yes, that is our goal. But the reality of it is that does it have to be exactly 0? Does it could it be $10,000,000 Sure. It could be $10,000,000

Speaker 4

Close to 0. Yes. Okay. And then do you have a sense on what your payout policy would be after that?

Speaker 1

No, we don't have we're not going to tell you here in advance, a year in advance potentially. We're not going to tell you now what or decide now what our distribution policy will be. But I do think that we will approach it the same way we've approached distributions for the last 10 years. And that is, do we have a more intelligent use for the cash than paying it out as distributions to owners? And up to this point in time, we believe we have had a more intelligent use for the cash, be it redeeming 12% preferreds or 10% debt or etcetera.

Speaker 1

When we get to the point where our debt balances are 0 or practically 0, and we don't have as many opportunities to do more intelligent things, the decision to make a distribution becomes much easier. I would just say that we do not have a bias against distributions at all. The bias is that we need to have an intelligent use for the money internally to increase intrinsic value of the business or else we send it out.

Speaker 4

Okay. I mean do you have any sense that you would do that there'd be some line of business that you would invest in something that you would use the cash for other than a distribution? And if so, what might it possibly be?

Speaker 1

Do not have any ideas about that at the moment, do not have any plans at the moment. Right now, we're trying to finish out the strategy that we've had in place for a long time. And as we get nearly a little bit closer to the end of that process, we will be looking at the next step. And we'll be explaining to the public quite clearly what we plan to do at that time.

Speaker 4

How many shares of stock are outstanding now, I guess, after the redemption of the warrants gone?

Speaker 1

Roughly $13,300,000 Okay. That makes sense.

Speaker 4

Can you and I don't know if anybody else got any questions, but let me just ask one final one and we can see. Can you just give a you'd said that you expect the sort of weak conditions in the met coal market to persist for an extended period of time. Could you just elaborate on what your thoughts are on the market?

Speaker 1

Yes. We have excess capacity and we have sluggish demand in all three of our key commodities. That's metallurgical coal, ash and thermal coal. And at the moment, I can't see any specific drivers that are going to change this environment here in the near to intermediate future. Now, I'm always surprised about that because I never do see the factor, the drivers that are going to turn the market for these commodities, but they eventually do turn.

Speaker 1

But just right now, I cannot point to any of that. The good news that I think would be important to note here for us is that despite the fact that this is the a very negative time in terms of the collective sentiment of all three of our and the collective outlook for all three of our key commodities, it's actually a pretty robust time for the business outlook for our common equity, simply because of the fact that we are coming to the end of eliminating our obligations, at which time there will be a lot of free cash that's freed up for common equity. So it's sort of a tale of 2 cities. It's a bad time for the business outlook. Actually, collectively for all 3 of our commodities together, I would say that with the exception of COVID, this is the worst collective business outlook we've had in my almost 10 year tenure here at NRP.

Speaker 1

But it's certainly the best outlook from the standpoint of an equity holder that we've had in the almost 10 years that I've been at NRP.

Speaker 4

Yes. Well, you've gotten everything fixed. It's taken a while, but it's done. So congratulations.

Speaker 1

Well, and thank you for that, but also thanks to all of our stakeholders and to you and everyone who's supported us along the way. Well,

Speaker 4

good for you. Thank you. And I'll just listen to see if anybody else has any questions. Thanks.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Mark.

Operator

All right. Our next question comes from John Mason with Aegis Company. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my question. I just wanted to ask really quickly, how strict is the plan to eliminate all debt, including both the facility and the senior notes before you initiate return to capital? I know you just mentioned it doesn't have to be 0. I'm just trying to understand the order of priority and the capital allocation flexibility, given how attractive the yield from the common is now, especially relative to the senior notes.

Speaker 5

Like could you pay off the facility and just begin distributions then and let the senior notes roll off at maturity, I think in like December of 26 or I mean, if it is really strict on, we want to get to that 10 or basically 0 number first, totally understand, just wanted to get a sense.

Speaker 1

No, no, it's not that strict. It is as you described actually. We're going to use a common sense approach and we're going to pay off the highest cost debt first. And then when we yes, so it's a common sense approach. It's not strict to the penny.

Speaker 5

Great. Thanks so much.

Speaker 1

You bet.

Operator

All right. We have a question from Neil Patel with Sawgrass Beach. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Good morning, everyone. Craig and Chris, thanks for answering my or responding my question. Very impressed with all the work you and the team have done over the past few years in terms of deleveraging and sticking to that discipline. So curious about as now you kind of have the preferreds and the warrants out of the way and are now deleveraging debt at a rapid speed, if there's any thought put into repurchasing common units, especially when the current kind of yield is on calculating it could be around 15% or more. So curious, I know there's some language that's changed within the most recent credit agreement.

Speaker 6

Not sure if that's related, but it's mentioned equity interest. So curious about your philosophy on that, just given where the price is. And I know you've all bought back warrants kind of price was earlier in the year.

Speaker 1

This is Craig. I'll take a first stab at that. In answer to your question, have we thought of and do we consider and would we consider in the future repurchases of units if they trade it at material discounts to our estimates of intrinsic value? The answer is yes. I do want to clarify, you made a comment about a 15% yield.

Speaker 1

I want to clarify that what I believe you're referring to there is our free cash flow yield. It is not our actual current yield of our common equity at this point in time. Just want to clarify that. And then third thing, you mentioned the credit agreement. Yes, you did pick up on that.

Speaker 1

There were 2 main reasons to put the new credit agreement in place that Chris and his team did. The first was to extend the maturity to get us a longer period of time to a longer maturity. The second was to loosen up some of the handcuffs that had been put in place when we were a less creditworthy borrower. And the loosening of the handcuffs frees up makes it easier for us going forward to do things such as repurchase units.

Speaker 6

Got it.

Speaker 1

Thank you.

Speaker 4

We bet.

Operator

All right. At this time, I will now turn the call back over to Craig Nunez for closing remarks.

Speaker 1

Thank you very much, Danica. And thank you everyone for participating in our call today. And thank you for your continued support of NRP. Have a good day.

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Key Takeaways

  • NRP generated $55 million of free cash flow in Q3 and $263 million over the last 12 months, paid off all preferred securities, and reduced debt to $181 million (down 44% YoY).
  • Soft global steel demand and high gas inventories depressed metallurgical and thermal coal prices, and management expects these market headwinds to persist, leading to materially lower free cash flow relative to the past year.
  • Soda ash segment distributions fell to $6 million in Q3 (versus $23 million a year ago) amid record-low prices from new capacity and soft flat-glass demand, with below-historical distributions likely for years.
  • In October, NRP closed a five-year credit facility extending its revolver maturity to October 2029 and loosening covenants, enhancing liquidity and enabling potential common unit repurchases at attractive valuations.
  • The company is expanding its carbon-neutral initiatives, seeing a slowdown in CO₂ sequestration leasing but growing interest and lease bonus activity in lithium, solar, and geothermal projects.
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