Clover Health Investments Q3 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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November 6, 2024

There are 5 speakers on the call.

Operator

good afternoon, and welcome to the Cloverhill Third Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. As a reminder, today's call is being recorded.

Operator

I would now like to turn the call over to Ryan Schmidt, Investor Relations for Clover Health. Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Good afternoon, everyone. Joining me on our call today to discuss the company's Q3 2024 results are Andrew Toye, Clover Health's Chief Executive Officer and Peter Kuipers, the company's Chief Financial Officer. You can find today's press release and the accompanying supplemental slides as well as the company's most recent investor deck in the Investor Events and Presentations section of our website at investors. Cloverhealth.com. This webcast is being recorded and a replay will be available in the Investor Relations section of the Clover Health website.

Speaker 1

I'd also like to caution you that we may make forward looking statements during today's call that are subject to risks and uncertainties, including expectations about future performance. Factors that may cause actual results to differ materially from expectations are detailed in our SEC filings, including in the Risk Factors section of our most recent Annual Report on Form 10 ks and other SEC filings. Information about non GAAP financial measures referenced, including a reconciliation of those measures to GAAP measures,

Speaker 2

can be found in

Speaker 1

the earnings materials available on our website. With that, I'll now turn the call over to Andrew.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Ryan, and thank you everyone for joining us today. We have had a tremendous amount of progress at Clover that we're excited to talk through. Firstly, we delivered another quarter of meaningful adjusted EBITDA profitability and positive operating cash flow. As such, we are improving our full year adjusted EBITDA guidance. We have always emphasized our focus on delivering a profitable Clover and I feel that we have executed very well here.

Speaker 2

Secondly, we achieved another quarter of industry leading loss ratios driven by continued strong performance on both PMPM revenue as well as medical expense management. We're particularly proud of this because we see this value being driven largely by the technology powered performance of the independent fee for service physicians in our wide network. This is the part of the network where a lot of other Medicare Advantage plans are struggling to manage total cost of care. Thirdly, we are proud to have received upgraded star ratings for our plans, most notably a 4 star rating for our flagship PPO for plan year 2025, impacting payment year 2026. In fact, for plans with over 2,000 members, our PPO received the highest score in the entire country on core HEDIS measures with a score of 4.94, even edging out high performing HMOs.

Speaker 2

Over 95% of our members are in this 4 star plan. The key differentiator with Clover is that these results are driven by physicians using our technology, Clover Assistant. Unlike almost every other high performing MA plan, Clover's plans have almost no traditional value based contracts or delegated risk. We do not pay traditional quality incentives around gap closure. Instead, what we focus on is having physicians use Clover Assistant, which acts as a GPS for physicians to better manage Medicare Advantage, total cost of care and quality.

Speaker 2

Between our network physicians and our internal Clover home care practice, which focuses on managing our most vulnerable members, we've historically delivered Clover Assistant powered care to over 2 thirds of our membership. We demonstrated that our technology first model of care, while unconventional, generates differentiated value. We've driven strong clinical and financial performance in our insurance business, highlighted by meaningful adjusted EBITDA profitability and strong insurance loss ratios. I'm very proud that we've significantly increased our adjusted EBITDA profitability to over $62,000,000 year to date on a membership base of 81,000 lives. These strong financial results position us well to invest in membership growth going into 2025.

Speaker 2

This AEP, we believe we are offering a highly appealing and competitive product for Medicare eligibles, and we are prioritizing both acquiring new members and maintaining strong retention rates. With this strategy, we believe there is ample opportunity to expand our market share throughout 2025 in our core markets. We're particularly excited about the timing of our growth opportunity. Other plans have struggled to maintain star ratings and manage cost of care and are effectively being forced to make strategic retreats by making plan closures, dropping providers from their networks and pulling back on benefits. By maintaining our own benefit and network strength and leveraging our improved star ratings, we are set up to be in a very good position.

Speaker 2

While it's too early to discuss our 2025 posture in detail, our intent is to take advantage of the opportunity in front of us by focusing on growth, while maintaining consolidated profitability by a strong management of our returning member cohorts. We're demonstrating a clear ability to grow into the strength of our model with our profitable existing member cohorts fueling growth and having a clear focus on bringing new members onto our care platform. We'll obviously have more to talk about regarding our annual enrollment period performance in the future, but overall, we feel very good about how we positioned our business for growth in 2025 on the back of our strong performance in 2024. To be clear though, we believe this growth opportunity will not be a 1 year window. As I mentioned, we are very proud to have recently received a 4 star rating for our flagship PPO plans.

Speaker 2

By achieving this rating, we'll have tailwinds going into payment year 2026 that will allow us to continue to invest in our flywheel as we expand profitability while continuing to accelerate growth. And again, our stars improvement came at the same time as the broader industry saw star rating degradation, setting us up to continue to differentiate our products for our members. In summary, I'm very proud of our team's accomplishments and progress during the quarter where we again achieved meaningful adjusted EBITDA, improved our full year 2024 adjusted EBITDA profitability guidance and have positioned the company well for growth amidst a dynamic market backdrop. I'll now hand it over to Peter for the financial update.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Andrew. I'm continually impressed with our ability to execute, deliver upon our goals and drive strong business performance and momentum during this year, while managing the total cost of care. I will begin by covering the Q3 and year to date financial highlights and then review our updated guidance for the full year 2024. COVID fundamentals are strong. GAAP net loss in continuing operations for the Q3 improved significantly by $25,000,000 to a loss of $9,000,000 as compared to the same quarter last year.

Speaker 3

Similarly, adjusted EBITDA meaningfully improved to a profit of $90,000,000 this quarter compared to $3,000,000 in the Q3 of 2023. On a year to date basis, we have significantly improved our adjusted EBITDA profitability by $87,000,000 as compared to the same year to date period for 2023, delivering $62,000,000 of adjusted EBITDA so far this year, driven by continued durable MA time momentum and further SG and A optimization. We have continued to deliver industry leading benefit ratios for insurance business driven by our ability to control total cost of care. During the Q3 of 2024, our insurance benefits expense ratio or BER improved to 82.8% compared to 82.3% in the same period of 2023. Similarly, insurance MCR improved to 78% in the Q3 this year from 78.5% last year.

Speaker 3

Specifically within our medical costs, in patients, supplemental benefits and Part D costs changed favorably as compared to last quarter and are generally in line with our expectations. Our strong margin performance was accompanied by shares revenue of $323,000,000 representing year over year growth of 7% in the 3rd quarter. On a year to date basis, revenue was $1,040,000,000 or 9% growth year over year. On a year to date basis, DER was 80.6% and NCR was 75.6%, both of which represent strong improvements of over 500 basis points year over year. This strong growth and margin performance was driven by our focus on returning member retention, our ability to deliver earlier and better health outcomes at lower total cost of care, continued MA plan operational maturation, solid core economics and our ability to manage total cost of care for continued intra year membership growth.

Speaker 3

Similar to last quarter, we have experienced positive prior period developments of PPB during the Q3. As a reminder, PPB occurs in real world performance exceeds our modeling and it is built and claims are finalized. Given our continued MA outperformance coupled with the continued globalization of our IVNR to more historical levels, it is logical that we would have varying amounts of PPD. While the underlying business momentum in medical cost management that I touched upon earlier is driving our strong margin performance, this favorable development has effectively also lowered our year to date DER to lower levels. Now moving to SG and A.

Speaker 3

During the Q3, total SG and A decreased 11% year over year and adjusted SG and A for the Q3 of $62,000,000 came in 8% lower versus the comparable period. On a year to date basis, total SG and A decreased 12% and adjusted SG and A of $209,000,000 decreased 4% as compared to the same periods in 2023. Both periods continue to see a favorable impact year over year on the cost saving initiatives associated with our new operational ecosystem and our workforce rationalization announced last year, partially offset by increased intra year investments as a result of our intra year growth. We're pleased with our optimization of the SG and A framework, and we'll continue to enhance operational efficiencies with a focus on members' lives. That said, given a strong profitability profile, we have decided to strategically evaluate areas of opportunity to reinvest into our business.

Speaker 3

As Andrew mentioned earlier, we believe that we are strongly positioned to invest in our membership growth opportunity for 2025 and beyond as a result of 2024 performance, improved star ratings and our ability to outperform during a period of market volatility. For these reasons, we plan to make prudent assessments that position us well to increase long term growth. These investments include additional growth focused spend to support annual enrollment period or AEP as well as quality focused spend focused on further improving outcomes for our members, including continued R and D to further enhance Clover Systems capabilities. We believe that now is the optimal time to do this in light of our strong performance. As such, you will notice that we have increased our full year 2024 SG and A guidance.

Speaker 3

Although it is turning points to note that we're also increasing our total year 2024 adjusted EBITDA guidance to reflect our underlying discipline. We continue to believe that any near term investments in the long term trajectory of our business will prove to drive strong returns in the future. Turning to the balance sheet. We ended the Q3 of 2024 with restricted and unrestricted cash, cash equivalents and investments totaling $531,000,000 on a consolidated basis to $306,000,000 at the parent entity and unregulated liquidity level. During the Q4, we anticipate unregulated liquidity levels to be impacted by the final payment of $39,000,000 related to our 2023 ACO REITs participation.

Speaker 3

We also expect further mobilization of our IBNR levels by the year end. Cash flow from operating activities for the Q3 was $50,000,000 bringing our year to date cash flow from operating activities to $130,000,000 I am proud that a strong business momentum continues to further improve our already strong balance sheet and enables us to continue to operate from a position of strength and effective growth. Next, I will provide an update to our full year 2024 guidance in light of the continued strong business momentum and fundamentals. We are reaffirming our 2024 insurance revenue guidance of between $1,250,000,000 and $1,275,000,000 reflecting continued strong year over year top line growth. That said, we're likely tracking towards the lower end of the range driven by infill year shifts in our member mix.

Speaker 3

We continue to execute very well on unit economics and as a result, we are improving our cost ratios as follows. We are improving our 2024 insurance BER guidance to be between 81% 82%. We are improving our 2024 insurance MCR guidance to be between 76% and 77%. We are raising our 2024 adjusted SG and A guide to be between $290,000,000 $295,000,000 reflecting our anticipated investments to drive 2025 growth and quality initiatives. We are increasing our full year 2024 adjusted EBITDA guidance to be between $55,000,000 $65,000,000 In summary, we have exceeded our profitability goals with industry leading benefit ratios and includes our already strong balance sheet and created the ability to execute on our growth opportunities.

Speaker 3

We have recently received a 4 star rating during the most recent rating cycle, further validating the strength of the differentiated model. We look forward to receiving the 5% quality bonus to benchmark rates associated with this rating starting for payment year 2026 that allows us the opportunity to further invest into our member benefits, quality initiatives and growth. Beyond the business momentum in our own Medicare Advantage Insurance business, we have good momentum and a strong pipeline for Counterpart Health, which provides a SaaS and secondary services solution for 3rd party payers and risk bearing providers. Demonstrating this during the Q3, we announced a multi year partnership with the Iowa Clinic to utilize counterpart assistance for MA and NSSP patients, marking our inaugural extension into the Midwest. While this is exciting, we're still in the early innings and expect Counterparts revenue impact this year to be insignificant.

Speaker 3

We look forward to sharing more detailed financial guidance and expectations in the future as we further develop and grow our counterparts, SaaS and Decorated Services offering. Now let me turn the call back to Andrew for closing comments.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Peter. I am proud of the achievements the Clover team has delivered over the first 3 quarters of the year. First, we have been increasing our adjusted EBITDA profitability and demonstrating our ability to care for our membership cohorts profitably. 2nd, we are delivering industry leading loss ratios and Medicare Advantage performance on a wide network of providers, almost all of whom are still on fee for service arrangements. 3rd, we have achieved strong star rating performance on this same network, fueling our go forward financial momentum and positioning us with a strong multiyear growth opportunity.

Speaker 2

All this is enabled by our differentiated care platform and technology, Clover Assistant. We continue to be very excited about the progress and long term opportunity to bring our technology to other value based providers and MA plans via our counterpart health, SaaS and tech enabled services offering. As a reminder of our core strategy, we plan to grow our own MA plan significantly and profitably within our current markets and we plan to also expand to new geographies. For markets where we don't have an MA plan, Counterpart Health allows us to bring in our model of Medicare Advantage Managed Care via partnerships with local providers and plans. Since we launched the offering earlier this year, we have had significant interest in the platform and this interest has accelerated since we announced our STARS results, particularly the fact that our PPO plan received the highest HEDIS score or core HEDIS measures for plans over 2,000 members.

Speaker 2

Not only do we offer strong performance, but what others find particularly compelling is that we specialize in improving the performance of wide network, fee for service independent physicians. Most managed care entities have no real solution for this component of the care ecosystem. And so the fact that we are able to drive excellent results in this area gives us unparalleled product market fit. While this is exciting, we're still in the early innings. We believe that demand for counterpart assistant will only increase as more and more industry players face the market pressures that many insurers and healthcare providers have signaled this year.

Speaker 2

As we engage with prospective partners, we do expect the larger health organizations to have longer sales cycles and the smaller groups to have shorter sales cycles. With that said, we're looking to onboard more partners in both 20252026 when the industry starts headwinds will come to fruition. Stay tuned for more updates about Counterpart, including us signing up additional partners in the future. Clover is truly at an exciting inflection point, making it a great time to be along for the ride. With that, let's go to questions.

Operator

We will now be taking questions from Clover's research analyst. We'll take our first question from Jonathan Young of UBS.

Speaker 4

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking the question. It sounds like you're feeling pretty good about how AEP is shaping up for 2025. Just any color you could provide there on what you're seeing and what stands out and if the stars rating improvement is helping you attract more members?

Speaker 2

Yes. Hey, Jonathan, thanks for the question. Definitely in AEP, a couple of different things. As a reminder, our 4 star rating does affect payment year 2026, but it does affect plan year 2025. So we are appearing as a 4 star plan in the Plan Finder right now.

Speaker 2

What that means is because we have also maintained our general product richness between the 2, 4 stars and the product richness and some of our competitors going down in star ratings, we are positioned very well in the overall comparison between our plans and everyone else due to the retreat of others. So we feel good about where we sit from a product richness perspective. We feel good about the relative star rating. And I would even note that even before this AEP, we did have material growth lead up to AEP on an intra year basis. So we're carrying some of that momentum through as well.

Speaker 2

So overall, excited to go back to growth, feel really good about how we manage our cohorts as well. Great. Thanks. And then just in

Speaker 4

relation to the investments you're doing, I guess, in this Q4 here, can you talk about what those investments are? And how much of it will be kind of one time in nature versus permanent? And also how much was the PPD benefit in the quarter? Thanks.

Speaker 3

Hey, Jonathan, it's Peter. How are you doing? Good to meet you here all here as well. So as far as the investments in the Q4 in SG and A, you should think about a big portion of that is go to market marketing. Given the fact that Andrew just discussed as well, we feel strong and we'll disclose more on how AEP is going later on.

Speaker 3

And then another good chunk of the increased investments is really quality, quality initiatives. I think in the prepared remarks, we also talked about the HEDIS clinical score, right? So we'll continue to invest and improve our platform. And as far as PPD, we don't disclose that on the call here the specifics of PPD, but it's a small impact than it was in prior quarters.

Speaker 4

Thanks.

Speaker 3

And of course, we're normalizing also, as you know, IBNR over time, given change and then also our new ecosystem.

Operator

We'll take our next question from John French of Leerink Partners. Hey, thanks for taking my question. I was wondering if you could talk about how you are factoring in the IRA and its change on planned liability into your drug costs into your bids? Thanks.

Speaker 2

Yes. So basically, the way we looked at this is that while we're not disclosing exactly the mechanics of the bid, we, like everyone else in the industry, had to react a little bit as that more of the IRA was being phased in, how much of the subsidy is coming in, the direct subsidy, how much it affects the amount of revenue that we're going to be getting versus the amount of benefit we provide. Overall, I think we feel pretty good about where we bid against that. We feel that it's probably going to be something you need to test going into next year versus actual claims experience. But where it netted out given the amount of variability, we think we should be in pretty good shape.

Speaker 2

What you'll also see is that in our actual plan products, we were able to maintain quite a bit of strength in our Part D offering, whereas we did see a bit of a retreat from those competitors in our markets. So we expect our Plan D offering to actually be quite favorable for the purposes of plan richness. Great. Thanks.

Operator

And it appears that we have no further questions at this time. I'd be happy to return the call to Mr. Toy for any concluding remarks.

Speaker 2

All right. Thanks, everyone. Thank you for joining us today. Thank you all for your questions. As I said earlier, I'm very proud of the team and about the results that we've had this quarter year to date.

Speaker 2

Feel really good about the Care platform and the results that we're generating on our cohorts. Feel very much that our investments in quality start and performance is excellent. And now the phase in front of us is looking forward to the growth opportunity ahead of us that we've outlined today. So we look to maintain and continue our strength and our performance on the financial side and to be adding to top line growth membership growth. Thanks again for joining our call and we're looking forward to sharing our full year results and the results of our AEP during our next earnings call.

Speaker 2

Thanks so much, everyone.

Operator

This concludes today's Clover Health's Q3 2024 Earnings Call and Webcast. You may now disconnect your line at this time. Have a wonderful day.

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