Nutex Health Q3 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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November 8, 2024

There are 8 speakers on the call.

Operator

Greetings, and welcome to the Newtek's Health, Inc. Third Quarter 2024 Financial Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Vivian Sanders.

Operator

Thank you. You may begin.

Speaker 1

Good morning, and welcome to Newtek Health, Inc. 3rd quarter earnings call for the period ended September 30, 2024. My name is Vivian Sanders, and I will be your moderator for today's call. We appreciate your participation and interest in our company. Today's call is being recorded.

Speaker 1

With me this morning is our Chairman and CEO, Doctor. Tom Bohe CFO, John Bates President, Doctor. Warren Kucinien and COO, Josh Dottelio. Our team will provide some prepared remarks and then we'll take questions. Before I turn the call over to Doctor.

Speaker 1

Vo, let me remind everyone that today's call can contain forward looking statements that are based on management's current expectations, numerous risks, uncertainties and other factors that may cause actual results to differ materially from those that might be expressed today. More information on forward looking statements and these factors are listed in Thursday's press release and in our various SEC filings. On this morning's call, we may reference measures such as adjusted EBITDA, which is a non GAAP financial measure. A table providing supplemental information on adjusted EBITDA and reconciling net loss attributable to Newtek Health Inc. Is included in the press release and Form 10 Q filed earlier this week.

Speaker 1

This morning's call is being recorded and a replay of the call will be available later today. With that, I'll now turn the call over to Doctor. Bo, our Founder and Chief Executive Officer.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Vivian, and thank you all for joining us today. We are pleased to report another excellent quarter for Newtek's Health. In the Q3 of 2024, we achieved substantial revenue growth as well as volume growth and continue to show our commitment to enhancing profitability and operational efficiency. I would like to start with some highlights from this quarter. For the 3 months ended September 30, 2024, we reported total revenue of $78,800,000 which is a significant increase compared to $62,700,000 for the same period last year.

Speaker 2

This equates to a growth of 26%. Some of this growth was due to the 4 new hospitals that we opened in 2023. The rest were from mature hospitals, which are those opened prior to December 31, 2021, which had revenue increase of 20.7% during the same period. On the net income side, we incurred a loss a net loss attributable to Newtek's Health of $8,800,000 as compared to a net loss of $5,500,000 in the Q3 of 2023. This $8,800,000 dollars amount does include a $6,700,000 non cash loss on warrant liability as well as a $2,000,000 non cash stock based compensation expense.

Speaker 2

Our adjusted EBITDA on the other hand was $13,500,000 positive for this quarter compared to just $1,300,000 from 1 year ago, an increase of 9 38 percent. In terms of cash flow, as of September 30, 2024, we reported net cash from operating activities of 23,100,000 as compared to cash from the same time last year of $3,000,000 an increase of 6 70%. From a debt perspective, our total long term debt remains low at $26,800,000 compared to $26,300,000 for the same period last year. Our finance lease liabilities, which we are required to report due to GAAP accounting policies, did increase slightly from $213,000,000 to $241,000,000 This is mainly due to new leases that were signed for facilities opening within the past 9 months. From a patient perspective, our hospital division reported 41,668 visits in the 3rd quarter, reflecting a 11.3% increase over the same quarter last year.

Speaker 2

Of this visit growth, mature hospitals increased by 3.8% in 2024 compared to the same period in 2023. I would like to take a moment to share some insights regarding our operational performance that is responsible for these positive results. First, I want to emphasize that the achievements we reported today are not just numbers. They reflect the dedication and hard work of our team across all levels of the organization. The growth we have experienced in both revenue and patient volume is a testament to our commitment to delivering exceptional healthcare throughout our micro hospitals as well as population health divisions.

Speaker 2

2nd, our recent opening of 4 de novo hospitals in 2023 have all ramped up nicely and contributed to this positive trend. Our mature hospitals are also growing are also showing robust growth in both outpatient and inpatient services. Our ability to adapt to the needs of our patients is key to our ongoing success. 3rd, our internal coding, billing and collections departments operationally are getting more experience in working the No Surprises Act or NSA claims, adapting to specific nuances and solving complex problems in dealing with insurers post NSA. As a result, we are seeing better reimbursement per patient.

Speaker 2

Looking forward, we are focused on a few strategic initiatives that we believe would drive continued growth. First, continue de novo expansions of new hospitals. We are still on track to open between 2 to 4 hospitals per year. For 2024, we have already opened hospitals in Green Bay, Wisconsin as well as Post Falls, Idaho. We are on track to open 2 more facilities later this year.

Speaker 2

As it takes about 18 to 24 months to open a hospital, we are already working on the 2025, 2026 2027 hospital pipeline. We still get requests from all over the country to open these hospitals on a regular basis. Our challenge is to keep up with the demands in areas of the country that have the most immediate need for our brand of medicine and focus on those opportunities for our future pipelines. 2nd, continued expansion of services for our mature hospitals. We will continue to explore opportunities to expand both our inpatient side as well as outpatient services to meet the evolving needs of our patient population.

Speaker 2

This may include adding new specialties or enhancing our current offerings, all aimed at providing concierge level care closer to home. By having a licensed hospital consisting of a 20 fourseven emergency room as well as inpatient services, we have all the tools necessary to pivot to service lines that are lacking or underserved in the communities that we serve and actively try to fill that void to provide the maximum value to the community. 3rd, continue to work with insurers for better reimbursement. As we continue to learn more and more about the No Surprises Act, we are slowly getting better reimbursements as evidenced in our improved financials. We continually strive to obtain fair in network contract with insurers.

Speaker 2

If this is not possible, we make serious attempts to get a fair qualified payment amount or QPA from the insurers. If we do not get a fair QPA as described in the NSA bylaws the first time, we proceed with the independent dispute resolution or IDR, which includes both the open negotiation as well as arbitration process options. The IDR is a formal process that is available to all providers under the guidelines of the NSA. As we proceed with putting more charts through the IDR process, we will continue to report our findings in future reports. 4th, operational efficiency.

Speaker 2

Improving operational efficiency remains a priority as it allows us to manage costs effectively while enhancing patient experience. We are implementing best practices across our facilities to streamline processes, reduce waste and improve turnaround times for our patients. Josh Detilio, our COO will address this in further details later. 5th, innovation and technology. We remain committed to embracing advanced technologies that can improve patient care and operational efficiencies, whether it's through electronic medical records, telemedicine capabilities, artificial intelligence to automate our coding billing collection services or other digital tools, we aim to leverage innovation and provide enhanced services to our patients.

Speaker 2

As more technology becomes available, we are able to treat more and more patients at our micro hospitals, providing patient an attractive alternative to the often overcrowded hospital systems. And lastly, driving awareness and community engagement. We will continue to engage with our local communities to raise awareness of the services that we provide. By focusing on targeted business developments, marketing, brand awareness and community events, we hope to build trust and maintain a strong presence within our regions. Overall, we're optimistic about our trajectory and believe that our focused approach will lead to sustainable growth and value creation.

Speaker 2

The healthcare landscape is constantly changing and we are committed to staying ahead of these changes. In closing, I would like to acknowledge and thank you to all our Newtek physicians, nurses, technologists, technicians, front desk personnel, administrators and the entire Newtek's COBRA team from over 13 states for working as one unit to achieve these great results. We all share and believe in the same vision and mission of Newtek's Health and are all aligned to continue to strive to create a long term and profitable company. Anyone that has been involved in healthcare for a long time will recognize that what Newtek's Health is doing is very unique and very special and fills a definite void in many aspects of medicine. We believe our momentum will continue and we are excited about what the future holds for Newtek's Health.

Speaker 2

Now, I would like to turn it over to John Bates, our Chief Financial Officer to discuss our financial results in greater detail.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Tom, and good morning, everyone. It's great to see how our financial results reflect the effectiveness of our strategic initiatives and operational improvements. Our Q3 2024 results show yet another great operational quarter continuing a great quarter improvement in each of the last three quarters this year. We have seen continued growth with increased success in both top line growth as well as in our cost controls company wide. So let's start with the Q3 ended September 30, 2024, 1st and compare those results to the Q3 ended September 30, 2023.

Speaker 3

For the Q3 of 2024, total revenue grew 26 percent or $16,100,000 to $78,800,000 versus $62,700,000 for the same period in 2023. Of the total revenue increase, mature hospitals, which are hospitals that were opened prior to December 31, 2021 and therefore provided 2 full years of comparative results, increased our revenue by 20.7 percent for the Q3 of 'twenty four versus Q3 of 'twenty 3. For hospital division visits, we saw growth as well during the quarter as they increased by 11.3% or 4,225 visits to 41,668 visits in the Q3 2024 versus 37,443 visits in the same period of 2023, with mature hospitals growing at 3.8 percent in the Q3 of 'twenty four over the Q3 of 'twenty three. Additionally, the population health division had a revenue reduction of $1,000,000 or $7,100,000 in the Q3 of 'twenty four from $8,100,000 in the similar period of 'twenty 3 due to the divestiture of 2 small entities within the division in the second and third quarters of this year. Now we discussed the growth in the hospital revenue and the visits we have seen in the Q3 of 'twenty 4.

Speaker 3

Now let's discuss the overall facility and corporate cost structure and the improvements in that area. Total facility level operating costs and expenses represented only 72.2 percent or $56,900,000 of total revenue for the Q3 of 'twenty four versus 88.7 percent or $55,700,000 for the same period in 'twenty three. As a result of the revenue and facility cost improvement, our 2024 3rd quarter gross profit was $21,900,000 or 27.8 percent of total revenue, as compared to $7,100,000 or 11.3 percent of total revenue in 2023, a 2 10% improvement in the Q3 of 'twenty four over 'twenty three. From a corporate and other costs perspective, the general and administrative expenses as a percentage of total revenue for the Q3 of 2024 remain consistent at 12.5% compared to 12.4% for the same period in 'twenty three. Additionally, on our Q3 income statement, you will see a line item for stock based compensation with the amount for the Q3 of 2024 being $2,000,000 Most of that expense is explained in our Q3 10 Q filing, which is within Note 11 for your reference.

Speaker 3

But within that note, we explained that under the terms of 4 separate contribution agreements for hospitals that were deemed to be under development hospitals when Newtek's went public in April of 2022, when each of the hospitals at that point. So at that when each of the hospitals have been open for 2 full years, they are then eligible to receive a one time additional issuance of common stock based upon the earnings of the hospital in the 2nd year of their operations, which we denote as the earn out period. With 4 of these hospitals now entering that earn out period, we began to accrue for the potential earn out for each. And in the Q3 of 2024, that amounted to $2,000,000 that will be trued up each quarter and until we get to the end of year 2 for each hospital, at which time final calculation will be done and payment will be made 100% in company stock and reported as a non cash stock compensation expense. With regard to the population health division, as mentioned previously, we did divest 2 smaller entities in the 2nd and third quarters of 2024 that had very little impact on the operational side of Population Health business as we move forward, but did impact Population Health revenue by around $1,000,000 in the Q3 as we discussed.

Speaker 3

When it comes to operating income, including operating income, which did include the negative impact of that $2,000,000 of non cash stock based compensation expenses noted above, for the Q3 of 2024 was $9,700,000 compared to an operating loss of $821,000 in Q3 of 'twenty three, representing a $10,500,000 improvement quarter over quarter. Now net loss attributable to Newtek Inc. Was $8,800,000 for the Q3 of 'twenty four, as Tom mentioned, but was negatively impacted by $8,700,000 for the 2 non cash items noted above for the $6,700,000 non cash loss on warrant liability and the $2,000,000 non cash stock based compensation expense. The comparative net loss attributable to Newtek's was 5 point $5,000,000 for the Q3 of 2023. So removing the effect of the $8,700,000 of non cash items in the Q3 of 'twenty four would show a $5,600,000 improvement quarter over quarter from 'twenty 3 all the way to 24.

Speaker 3

Now adjusted EBITDA attributable to Newtek's, which did remove the effect of those 2 non cash impairments noted above, increased $12,200,000 or 9 38 percent from $1,300,000 in the Q3 of 'twenty 3 to $13,500,000 in the Q2 excuse me, Q3 of 2024. So now on to the 9 months ended September 30 to 'twenty 4 compared to the 9 months ended 'twenty 3. Total revenue for the 1st 9 months of 2024 grew by 25 percent or $44,300,000 to $222,300,000 versus $178,000,000 for the 1st 9 months of 2023. Of the total revenue increase, mature hospitals increased their revenue by 13.5 percent for the 1st 9 months of 2024 versus the same period in 'twenty 3. The hospital division visits saw a similar growth as they increased by 19.6 percent or 20,146 visits to 122,944 visits in the 1st 9 months of 'twenty 4 versus 102,798 visits in the same period in 'twenty 3, with mature hospital visits growing at 7.7% in the 9 months ended September 'twenty 4 versus that same period in 'twenty 3.

Speaker 3

Additionally, population health division had revenue growth of 2.1 percent to $23,000,000 in the 1st 9 months of 'twenty four from $22,500,000 in that same period in 'twenty three despite the divestiture of the 2 small entities within the division during the 2nd and third quarters as mentioned previously. In addition to the revenue visit growth noted above, facility and corporate level costs also showed improvement for the 1st 9 months of 'twenty four compared to the 1st 9 months of 'twenty 3. Total facility level operating costs and expenses represented 75.4 percent or $167,700,000 of total revenue for the 9 months ended September 2024 versus 87.9 percent or $156,400,000 for the same period in 'twenty three. So it represented a decrease of 12.5% in relation to revenue. The gross profit for the 9 months ended September 2024 was $54,600,000 or 24.6 percent of total revenue as compared to $21,600,000 or only 12% of total revenue in the same period in 'twenty three, which represented 153% increase for the 9 months ended September 'twenty four compared to the same period in 'twenty three.

Speaker 3

From a corporate and other cost perspective, the G and A expenses as a percentage of total revenue for the 9 months ended September of 2024 decreased to 13.1 percent or just $29,200,000 from 13 point 9 percent or $24,700,000 for the same period in 2023. And operating income for the 9 months ended September 30, 2024 was a positive $16,400,000 compared to an operating loss of $5,600,000 for the 9 months ended September of 2023. Net loss attributable to Newtek Inc. Improved by $4,700,000 from a loss of $4,200,000 in the 1st 9 months of 2023 to a loss of $9,500,000 in the 1st 9 months of 2024, even with 4 non cash expense items related to stock comp expense, the impairment of assets, impairment of goodwill and the loss on warrant liability as you'll see in our income statement. And those negatively impacting this loss by $10,200,000 So removing these 4 non cash items, the company would show net income attributable to Newtek's Health Inc.

Speaker 3

For the 9 month period of a slight positive number of just over $600,000 Adjusted EBITDA attributable to Newtek's which removed the effect of the 4 non cash impairment items noted above increased $22,400,000 or 290 percent from $7,700,000 in the 1st 9 months of 2023 to $30,100,000 in the 1st 9 months of 'twenty 4. Enough about the income statement on our balance sheet. As you can see, the balance sheet remains very strong with cash and cash equivalents at the end of September of 2024 at $46,900,000 up $24,900,000 or 113.2 percent from $22,000,000 as of December 31, 2023. With regard to cash flow, net cash from operating activities increased by $20,100,000 for the 9 months ended September 30, 'twenty four to $23,100,000 as compared to only $3,000,000 for the same period in 2023. On the liability side, our total bank equipment debt decreased by $570,000 to $41,900,000 at September 30, 2024, down from $42,400,000 at December 31, 2023, with the majority of this debt related to equipment loans at our hospitals for such items as MRIs, x rays, ultrasound, CT machines.

Speaker 3

And this is slight decrease from year end, but the overall balance is a relatively small amount of true operating debt for a company of our size. And so outside of this normal $40 plus 1,000,000 of bank equipment type debt, the only other items of materiality that look like debt on the balance sheet are the liabilities related to financing and operating lease liabilities, which are just the future lease payments to our landlords on our hospitals. Now these are reflected on the balance sheet because the accounting rules require us to aggregate all lease payments that we pay to a landlord for the entirety of each lease, which in our case could be anywhere between 15 to 20 years and then present value of the total lease payments for each of those leases back to the inception of the lease and record both the right of use asset and correspondingly a right of use liability on the balance sheet for that result. As a result, on our balance sheet at September 30, 2024, the net asset balance for the operating and financing right of use assets amounted to $209,900,000 which is roughly 48% of the total assets. And the net liability balance for the operating and financing right of use liabilities amounted to $262,500,000 which is 73.2 percent of total liabilities.

Speaker 3

So now most investors and analysts don't view these right of use assets and right of use liabilities as real operating debt. So I wanted to clarify that to you since we seem to get that question a lot. With that, now I will turn it over to Warren to discuss more about the population health business.

Speaker 4

Thank you, John, and good morning, everyone. I'd like to take this opportunity to discuss our population health management division and the results we've seen in the Q3 of 2024 as outlined in our quarterly report. Our population health management division is important in our overall strategy at Newtek's Health. As many of you are aware, this division focuses on providing integrated care solutions aimed at improving the health outcomes of our patients. We operate primarily through our networks of independent physician associations or IPAs, which are central to our model.

Speaker 4

For the 3 months ended September 30, 2024, the Population Health Management Division reported total revenue of approximately $7,100,000 While this marks a slight decrease compared to the $8,100,000 reported in the same period of 2023, it is essential to understand the context behind these numbers. As John mentioned earlier, the decline in revenue is primarily attributed to the sale of 2 smaller subsidiaries earlier this year. Both of these subsidiaries were unprofitable. Although these divestitures temporarily impacted our top line results, they have enhanced our bottom line and will allow us to concentrate more closely on our core competencies and strategic objectives within the population health base. Adjusting for these divestitures, our core population health management efforts have continued to demonstrate growth.

Speaker 4

We now manage just over 40,000 patients under value based care arrangements with multiple payers. The division is focused on enhancing the quality of care provided to our patients, while managing risks and costs. This is particularly critical as we navigate an environment that increasingly emphasizes value based care and population health strategies. One of the key drivers behind our positive trajectory is our emphasis on building relationships with local physicians and healthcare providers. By fostering these collaborations, we aim to create a robust network that can share resources, expertise and best practices in managing chronic diseases, coordinating care and improving treatment outcomes.

Speaker 4

This collaborative approach not only adds value to our services, but it enhances patient engagement and continuity of care. Furthermore, we are enhancing the capabilities of our management services organization, which enables us to better support our IPAs and physician groups. In line with our focused growth strategy, we are actively working to launch new IPAs and expand our existing ones, thereby increasing the number we serve under our population health framework. This expansion is integral to achieving economies of scale that can translate into improved financial performance over time. As we move forward, we hope that our population health management initiatives will become an even more significant contributor to Newtek's Health revenue mix.

Speaker 4

The growing focus on preventative care and holistic patient management aligns well with today's healthcare landscape, which increasingly seeks to address not just individual health events, but the overall well-being of population. In conclusion, while the revenue results for the Population Health Management division reflects a temporary decline due to strategic divestitures, the underlying initiatives demonstrate a solid foundation for growth and improvement in our overall business model. I remain optimistic about our ability to drive both patient engagement and financial performance in this key segment. With that, I will turn it over to Josh now.

Speaker 5

Thank you, Warren. I appreciate the opportunity to speak with you today about Newtek's Health's operational efficiency, cost strategies and growth endeavors during the Q3 of 2024. As many of you know, operational efficiency is critical in our industry as costs have increased significantly for hospitals, especially in labor and supplies. I'm pleased to report that our efforts to control costs while driving volume have yielded significant results so far this year. We have implemented several cost saving measures that have greatly contributed to our operational efficiency.

Speaker 5

Over the past few quarters, we focused on 3 primary areas: labor costs, supply chain management and contract services costs. By closely monitoring labor hours and scheduling efficiently, we have successfully optimized staffing without compromising patient care. We are incorporating more software programs to help us become more efficient with labor, including an HR and procurement software that went live in the Q1 of this year, a scheduling software which is projected to go live in the Q1 of 2025 and a software solution for labor analytics in the Q2 of 2025. As our volumes grow, we need more tools to optimize our hospitals and these programs will give us more transparency and metrics to achieve this. For active management of our supply chain has resulted in notable savings and has helped us mitigate inflationary pressures.

Speaker 5

We have aligned our suppliers and supply contracts with our primary group purchasing organization, our GPO, and we are experiencing this alignment to deliver at least a 15% reduction in supply costs for 2025 from a prior year run rate. This savings is on all of our existing hospitals as there will be incremental supply costs for our new hospitals, But new hospitals will also be on the reduced GPO rates and pricing going forward. In contract services, we continue to standardize where appropriate for discounted and bulk pricing. We are looking at areas like facility maintenance, shredding services, office supplies, DME, waste management and pharmaceuticals. We've executed on a number of initiatives, but have more to go.

Speaker 5

The local hospital teams have continued to renegotiate local contracts as the whole company has been very focused on cost in 2024. In addition to these cost controls, we're seeing increased volume due in part to strategic growth initiatives. As previously mentioned, for the 1st 9 months of 2024, hospital division total visits increased to 122,944, which was up 19.6% from 2023, while mature hospitals were up 7.7% in visits. This growth is a direct reflection of both our business development and marketing strategy and the local engagement of our leadership teams across our facilities. Our business development team has been actively pursuing relationships with various local healthcare providers and groups and working to enhance and grow our mix of services offered.

Speaker 5

One of the strategies we've developed is utilizing a new customer relationship management software. This program enables us to manage relationships more effectively, track engagement with both prospective and existing patients and analyze data to refine our outreach strategies. We've also placed a strong emphasis on community engagement by participating in local health fairs and offering educational seminars on various health topics. We have been able to build strong relationships within the communities we serve. This initiative not only helps in raising awareness about our services, but also positions Newtek's Health as a trusted health provider.

Speaker 5

Engaging directly with our community fosters goodwill and helps drive patient volume through referrals and repeat visits for the whole family. Our leadership teams across the facilities have been pivotal in our success. Empowering our local leaders to make decisions tailored to their communities' needs has been an important aspect of our strategy. Their on the ground insights allow us to adapt quickly to demand fluctuations and service needs. This decentralized approach enhances our responsiveness and supports our commitment to delivering quality care.

Speaker 5

Looking forward, we are committed to maintaining this trajectory of growth and operational efficiency. As we expand our footprint by opening new facilities and transitioning existing operations, will continue to prioritize cost management while ensuring that we meet the health needs of our communities. In summary, our focused strategies in managing costs and driving volume growth, combined with strong leadership and community engagement are shaping a promising future for Newtek's Health. Our commitment to operational excellence remains a top priority as we strive to enhance shareholder value while keeping patient care at the forefront of our efforts. I will now turn it back over to our moderator, Vivian, to open the line for questions.

Speaker 5

Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Josh. On the call, we have Bill Sutherland from The Benchmark Company as well as Thomas McGovern from Maxim, who will now ask our team their questions.

Speaker 6

I guess I'll start off. It's Bill. How's everybody doing?

Speaker 2

Very good. Thank you, Bill.

Speaker 6

Good quarter. Hey, I wanted to think about the Q4 a little bit, thinking about the seasonality as you're seeing it, the timing of the 2 new hospitals and particularly interested in kind of how you're seeing patient visits in the Q4. I think you get some positive seasonality as I recall.

Speaker 2

This is Tom. Bill, yes, I could answer this. No, definitely our business does have seasonality to it. 4th quarter with being colder flu season typically have higher volume and that continues through the Q1 and then second and third quarter it dips a little bit. So for sure we are expecting better numbers in the Q4 in terms of volume.

Speaker 2

But as you know this year has been a little bit warmer. So the flu season hasn't been upon us yet. But having said that, that will come because typically every year it's the same sort of pattern.

Speaker 6

Okay. And your hospitals are going to be, I guess, near the end of the quarter then, the 2 new ones?

Speaker 2

Yes. The 2 new ones are projected to open in November December. Okay.

Speaker 6

On the CapEx line, John, I noticed it's been very it's been a lot lower this year year to date than last year. What's the outlook for CapEx, I guess, going forward given your plans?

Speaker 3

Yes. I mean, I think that you'll see that as we certainly as we open up the facilities, we will definitely be adding more, right, each one of those as we go. We have had 2 this year and then potentially, as Tom indicated, 2 more later in this year. And I think we have talked about on average every year somewhere being in the 2% to 4% range. But I would anticipate that going up a little bit as we go through this process of adding that equipment as we open each of those facilities.

Speaker 3

But right now everything is pretty much in line and we have a real solid opportunity for getting those in place. And as you probably know, we talked about this before where you have to put some of the equipment in months before something would open. So there's some that you can wait till right around opening, but there's MRIs and some of those machines you have to do several months ahead of time. So we have to plan for that. And so we'll continue to watch it, but I think it should be consistent with a little bit of an uptick I would anticipate over the next couple of quarters in that line.

Speaker 6

Okay. And then last for me. Tom, can you give us a little more color on your progress with the NSA arbitrations, or not just arbitration, but negotiation? And I guess to the degree to which you're taking on more arbitrations, talk about the impacts that has near term on revenue and then longer term?

Speaker 2

Yes. So from an arbitration standpoint, it's going well. We started the process at the end of June. And as you know, it takes about 6 months or so for the whole process to get completed from beginning to end where if we win on the arbitration side, the money then enters our bank account. So we are still working on that and we still have some data that we are still trying to sort out.

Speaker 2

But so far, the trend is going well. And so far, our results are consistent with published data out there regarding arbitration. But we will know a lot more hopefully in the Q4 when we report and definitely the 1st and second quarter of next year regarding our success and our experience with our arbitration from Newtek's Health.

Speaker 6

Remind us what the data has been in terms of industry wide. I think it's been pretty high success rate, right?

Speaker 2

Yes. So industry, the data that's publicly available essentially shows a win rate of roughly 70% to 80% for the provider. And the return that they get is according to published data almost doubles that of what they get initially.

Speaker 7

And

Speaker 2

so that's what the data shows. And so far, once again, our trend is pointing towards similar data. But once again, we're still very early because June was only maybe 5 months ago and it does take roughly 6 months or so to get money in the bank. And even after you win the arbitration, the insurance company still has to pay. And the definition of arbitration is that it's binding.

Speaker 2

And so since we're all kind of new at this, we're still waiting to see what happens even after we win and we get a favorable result as to what the insurance company actually does with that information. So and we'll know a lot more hopefully this quarter and next quarter.

Speaker 6

And let me if I could sneak one more on this. What percentage of your claims are you putting into arbitration?

Speaker 2

From our standpoint, between 60% to 80%. Yes. What we find is that the insurance company are paying relatively low the first time. And so we initiate the process through the IDR process. And then from there, we go to open negotiation first.

Speaker 2

And if we can't negotiate, then we go to arbitration. So there is definitely a stepwise approach to that process. So you just can't straight to arbitration, you have to go through open negotiation. Right.

Speaker 6

So the 60% to 70% relates to just going through the entire process, not just arbitration.

Speaker 2

Entire process.

Speaker 6

Yes, okay. Okay. Thanks, Tom. Thanks, everybody.

Speaker 7

Hey, guys. This is Tom McGovern with Maxim Group. So, yes, so first question, going to touch and congrats on the quarters, guys, great performance there. So first question, going to piggyback on one of the earlier questions asked on the hospital openings. So it sounds like you guys have pretty clear visibility on the 2 that will open by the end of 2024.

Speaker 7

Just curious though, I mean, one of the great things about your business model is that you have a lot of levers to pull that can augment the timeline for these openings. So just curious, is there anything you see now that might push that December opening into 'twenty five? Are you fairly confident that it will occur by the end of the year?

Speaker 2

Yes. Thomas, thank you for the question and welcome to the team, so to speak. Thank you for joining us. So to answer the question, so our first opening in November is pretty certain. We already have licensing from the state.

Speaker 2

We have a team assembled. We have all the staff trained. And so that opening is relatively on track for this month, November. The second opening, I think to your question is slightly not as certain and the reason is that it is located in Florida where we had a hurricane and that pushed everything back a few weeks with dealing with the hurricane and everything else. And so in essence, we're still on track to hopefully open by December, But there are a few levers to your point that we have to push in order to make that happen.

Speaker 2

But we're still very optimistic that we're going to be able to open that. And by the way, the hurricane really did not do any damage to our hospitals. And just a side note, I mean we've been in about probably 10 different hurricanes in the past with our operation in Texas, Louisiana and now Florida. And for the most part, our hospitals have fared very, very well. And there's a reason for that.

Speaker 2

The reason is that for the most part, these hospitals are built to withstand pretty much anything that nature could throw at us. And typically, the state want these hospitals to be the last structure standing so that if everything is wiped out, at least the hospital is still open and we could see patients afterwards.

Speaker 7

Got you. Glad to hear that you guys yes, no, absolutely. I'm glad you guys managed to get to the hurricane relatively unscathed. Okay. So then as we look at 2025, you guys have been staying around 4 hospital openings.

Speaker 7

We could expect 2 to 4 per year, but it's looking more like 4 in 2025. Again, considering that you guys have a good deal of influence on the timing of these openings, what should we expect in terms of cadence? Should we expect maybe a hospital a quarter? Or do you think that these openings might be weighted to 1 half of the year, maybe 1 in the first, 3 in the second? Any kind of visibility on that would be very helpful.

Speaker 2

Yes. No, we have 4 hospitals planned for 'twenty five also, just like in 'twenty four. I think in terms of the cadence, 1 will open, I would say, in either 1st or second quarter of 'twenty five and then we should have 3 at the end of 'twenty five. And so all 4 of them are essentially under construction as we speak. And so really it just depends on construction time.

Speaker 7

Got you. Okay. So then something that was mentioned earlier on the call is driving patient volume, which you guys have seen to have done very successfully, particularly it's great to see that mature hospitals are seeing higher patient volume. So one of the things you guys called out was the introduction of new services and capabilities across your portfolio of hospitals. So I'm just curious now, you guys in the past year, just correct me if there's anything else I'm missing here, but you guys introduced some behavioral health specialties.

Speaker 7

You guys did substance abuse or particularly for alcohol, I believe, abuse disorder. And then you guys have also in the past worked with the VA when those hospitals are overrun. So it's great to see that your hospitals are very customizable to meet the community needs. I'm curious if across your facilities and maybe with some of these new openings you're seeing different trends in these communities. But have you identified any new services that you're looking to introduce in Q4 or in 'twenty five or any kind of visibility or color you could add on that would be helpful for our outlook?

Speaker 7

Thank you.

Speaker 2

Yes. And Josh could probably chime in also. But no, we are always trying to innovate. We are always looking for solutions to problems. And the great thing about being in a lot of different localities and different states and different communities is that we see the needs of each of these communities and we try to solve it.

Speaker 2

And so behavioral health or treating substance abuse, depression, alcohol detox, opioid detox, those are all as a result of the community reaching out to us and say, hey, can you help us with this? And so with us being a licensed hospital with pretty much all most of the tools to do this, we work with our local physicians and nurses to pivot to those service lines and try to resolve them as best as we can. And so that was sort of like the genesis of behavioral health and some of the other service lines. Going forward, once again, we're always innovating, always looking for ways to solve the problems of the community. And so now we're looking at PI, personal injury and taking care of those types of patients.

Speaker 2

We're looking at wellness, health, things like that. And once again, these are all basically solutions to the community. We're looking at doing more procedures at our hospital in a few states, in a few hospitals. We're starting to do procedures in our hospital. And so the point is that because we're able to pivot, we're relatively a flat line organization.

Speaker 2

And so we can move in many different directions. And our hospital is think of it like a car, right? You have a car and we could pivot and drive it in any different direction that we need to, just depending on the need of the community and our ability to solve problems and create solutions for the communities.

Speaker 7

Great. I appreciate that response. Next question is on some of the cost savings that you guys have achieved and then looking forward at how you guys are going to kind of continue this trend as you expand your network. So you guys, Josh called out specifically the labor cost supply chain in the contract services. So first, just maybe high level, what do you see as something that of those 3, what do you think is the greatest opportunity for you guys to further improve your cost structure?

Speaker 7

And then maybe if you could go in a little bit more detail on the labor cost, you mentioned that there were 2 softwares that were going to be implemented between the Q4 and early 'twenty five or maybe it was both 'twenty five. So maybe if you could just talk a little bit about that specifically and kind of what you're hoping to achieve by implementing these software services?

Speaker 5

Sure. Yes, this is Josh. Couple of things. So we really view all three buckets as big opportunities. There's not really one that's more than the others.

Speaker 5

We've already executed on a number of the items. In terms of the labor software, we are creating an entire labor suite, where we had, as I mentioned, the HR and procurement software, as well as the next one coming is a scheduling software, so the teams will be able to schedule their teams more efficiently, communicate better, and then really optimize staffing to the volume. And then the last one is a labor analytics metric tool software that we will implement, which will give us a little bit more insight into daily trends and really being able to staff the volumes better. We already operate our hospitals very lean from a labor standpoint. So we're already pretty much there, but there are always opportunities to improve there.

Speaker 5

And as you heard on the supply chain, we're looking at about a 15% reduction and that's really reduced pricing across the board. And then the contract services, really leveraging our size and scope to get some of those ones that I mentioned really at national type contracts with significant discounts across the board. So we're continuing to focus on costs.

Speaker 7

Got you. I know that's very helpful. And then my last question will just be on the variable interest entities. As you guys discussed and explained on the call, why you have to carry some of those on your balance sheet. You guys were successful in removing 18 variable interest entities from your balance sheet through discussions with lenders.

Speaker 7

And I know that there were 2 last time we spoke, there were 2 still on your balance sheet and you guys were in active conversations with the lender to remove them. So just curious if there's been any progress on that, if you guys have had any discussion or any indication as to when we should expect those to be removed from the balance sheet?

Speaker 2

Yes. No, we've made a lot of progress in trying to remove those 2 facilities. And both of these are in Albuquerque, the 2 hospitals in Albuquerque and in essence the bank has already told us that they plan to remove that by the end of the year. So that's where we're at. Once again, it's up to the bank, but they have confirmed that their intention is to remove those by the end of the year.

Speaker 2

So we'll see what happens, hopefully.

Speaker 7

Great. That's all great to hear. I appreciate you guys taking the time to answer all of my questions. And again, congrats on the quarter.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Thomas.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Thomas, and thank you, Bill. You're welcome.

Speaker 1

All right. There are no additional questions for us. On behalf of the Newtek's Health management team, we appreciate everyone for dialing in and listening to our Q3 earnings report. A recording of this call will be available on our website for a limited time. If there are any additional questions, please send an email to investorsnutechhealth.com and we will do our best to answer in a timely manner.

Speaker 1

Take care everyone.

Speaker 2

Thank you, everyone.

Operator

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Key Takeaways

  • In Q3 2024, total revenue rose 26% year-over-year to $78.8 million, fueled by four de novo hospital openings and a 20.7% increase at mature locations.
  • Adjusted EBITDA surged to $13.5 million, an increase of 938% from Q3 2023, reflecting strong cost controls and operational efficiency improvements.
  • Net cash provided by operations jumped to $23.1 million (up 670%), while long-term debt remained low at $26.8 million, with modest additional lease liabilities for new facilities.
  • Hospital division patient visits increased 11.3% to 41,668, with mature hospitals up 3.8%, driven by service line expansions and targeted community engagement.
  • Key strategic initiatives include opening 2–4 new hospitals per year, expanding inpatient/outpatient offerings, enhancing No Surprises Act reimbursement via IDR, and investing in technology and supply chain efficiencies.
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