PennyMac Mortgage Investment Trust Q4 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • Positive Sentiment: In Q4, PMT reported $42 million net income or $0.44 per diluted share, with a 12% annualized ROE and book value up to $16.13.
  • Positive Sentiment: For the full year 2023, PMT earned $158 million in net income (EPS $1.63), achieved an 11% ROE, and grew book value per share by 2% net of dividends.
  • Positive Sentiment: Credit sensitive strategies drove $61 million pre-tax income in Q4, including $29 million of fair value gains on CRT investments and $12.8 million from opportunistic GSE bonds.
  • Negative Sentiment: The interest rate sensitive segment posted a $17 million pre-tax loss in Q4, driven by a $145 million fair value decline in MSRs partly offset by hedges and MBS gains.
  • Neutral Sentiment: PMT deployed nearly $500 million into MSR and opportunistic investments in 2023, returned $170 million to shareholders, and expects a $0.31 per share run rate over the next four quarters that could improve with rate cuts.
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Earnings Conference Call
PennyMac Mortgage Investment Trust Q4 2023
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There are 8 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good afternoon, and welcome to PennyMac Mortgage Investment Trust Q4 and full year 2023 earnings call. Additional earning materials, including the presentation slides that will be referred to in the call are available on PennyMac Mortgage Investment Trust website at pmt.pennymac.com. Before we begin, let me remind you that this call may contain forward looking statements that are subject to certain risks identified On Slide 2 of the earnings presentation that may cause the company's actual results to differ materially as well as non GAAP measures that have been reconciled to their GAAP equivalent in the earnings material. Now I would like to introduce David Spector, PennyMac Mortgage Investment Trust Chairman and Chief Executive Officer and Dan Parati, PennyMac Mortgage Investment Trust Chief Financial Officer.

Speaker 1

Thank you, operator. Good afternoon and thank you to everyone for participating in our 4th quarter earnings call. PMT produced very strong results in the 4th quarter with sizable contributions from the credit sensitive strategies and its correspondent production business. These results were partially offset by fair value declines in the interest rate sensitive strategies. Net income to common shareholders was $42,000,000 or diluted earnings per share of $0.44 PMT's annualized return on common equity was 12% and book value per share increased to $16.13 at December 31, up from $16.01 at the end of the prior quarter.

Speaker 1

This strong financial performance marked the culmination of an outstanding year for PMT, demonstrating its resilience a year of tremendous interest rate volatility and highlighting our management team's unwavering commitment to managing interest rate risk. PMT was profitable every quarter in 2023 with annual income contributions from all three of its investment strategies. Net income attributable to common shareholders for the year was $158,000,000 or diluted earnings per share of $1.63 Return on common equity was 11% and book value per share grew 2%, net of $1.60 in common share dividends. In 2023, we invested nearly $500,000,000 into new MSR and opportunistic investments, which we believe will perform well over the long term. As we head into 2024, we will remain disciplined in the deployment of capital and continue to look for opportunistic investments across the residential mortgage landscape.

Speaker 1

The strength of PMT's balance sheet has always been a key differentiator among mortgage REITs. And I'm very proud of the work our management team has accomplished in 2023. Not only did we return approximately $170,000,000 to shareholders through common share cash dividends and share repurchases, But we further strengthened the balance sheet with new long term debt issuances of $659,000,000 and redemptions of $450,000,000 in debt with upcoming maturities. As you can see on Slide 5 of our Q4 presentation, The origination market is expected to have troughed in 2023 as mortgage rates have declined from their recent highs And anticipated future rate cuts have increased third party estimates for industry originations in 2024 to approximately $2,000,000,000,000 Much of this anticipated growth is based on expectations for interest rate reductions later on in the year, And we expect the Q1 of 2024 to remain seasonally low before moving into spring and summer home buying season. Given the current environment, I remain very enthusiastic about the potential performance from PMT's investment portfolio.

Speaker 1

More than 2 thirds of PMT shareholders' equity is currently invested in a seasoned portfolio of MSRs and the unique GSE lender risk share transactions we invested in from 2015 to 2020. As the majority of mortgages underlying these assets were originated during periods of very low interest rates, we continue to believe these investments will perform well over the foreseeable future as low expected prepayments extend the expected asset life. Additionally, delinquencies remain low due to the overall strength of the as well as a substantial accumulation of home equity in recent years due to continued home price appreciation. MSR Investments account for more than half of PMT's deployed equity. The rates declined during the quarter, The majority of the underlying mortgages remain far out of the money and we expect the MSR asset to continue to produce stable cash over an extended period of time.

Speaker 1

The MSR values also benefit from the current interest rate environment As the placement fee income PMT receives on custodial deposits is closely tied to short term rates. Similarly, mortgages underlying PMT's large investment in lender risk share have low delinquencies and a low weighted average current loan to value ratio of 50%. These characteristics are expected to support the performance of these assets over the long term, And we continue to expect the realized losses over the life of these investments to be limited. We remain focused on actively managing PMT's portfolio of opportunistic investments, which we believe have the potential for strong long term risk adjusted returns. In the Q4, we invested $17,000,000 into floating rate GSE CRT bonds.

Speaker 1

After quarter end, we sold $56,000,000 of previously purchased floating rate GSE CRT bonds as credit spreads have tightened, making capital available for PMT to deploy into additional opportunistic investments. Slide 8 outlines the runway potential expected from PMT's investment strategies over the next four quarters. PMT's current run rate reflects an average $0.31 per share over the next 4 quarters. This is down modestly from the prior quarter due to the impact of interest rate changes on asset yields Compared to financing rates for the interest rate sensitive strategies, the expected returns on these investments have the potential to improve if short term rates decline driving an increase in the overall run rate. I will now turn it over to Dan who will review the drivers of PMT's 4th quarter financial performance.

Speaker 2

Thank you, David. Turning to Slide 12, PMT earned $42,000,000 in net income to common shareholders in the quarter or $0.44 per diluted common share. PMT's credit sensitive strategies contributed $61,000,000 in pre tax income. Pre tax income from PMT's organically created CRT investments in the 4th quarter totaled $42,000,000 This amount included $29,000,000 in market driven fair value gains, reflecting the impact of tighter credit spreads. The fair value of these investments was essentially unchanged from the prior quarter as fair value gains were offset by runoff.

Speaker 2

As David mentioned, the outlook for our current investments in organically created CRT remains favorable, with a low underlying current weighted average loan to value ratio and a 60 day delinquency rate of 1.23% as of December 31. Income from opportunistic investments in CAS and stacker bonds issued by the GSEs totaled $12,800,000 in the quarter. The interest rate sensitive strategy has contributed a pre tax loss of $17,000,000 The fair value of PMT's MSR investment decreased by $145,000,000 As the decline in mortgage rates increased future prepayment projections, approximately 78% or $112,000,000 of this MSR decline was offset by changes in the fair value of Agency MBS, interest rate hedges and related income tax effects. Agency MBS fair value increased by $184,000,000 while interest rate hedges decreased by $94,000,000 Fair value declines on MSRs and interest rate hedges held in PMT's taxable REIT subsidiary drove a tax benefit in the 4th quarter. The fair value of PMT's MSR asset at the end of the quarter was $3,900,000,000 down from $4,100,000,000 at September 30th as growth in the MSR portfolio from loan production was more than offset by fair value declines and runoff from prepayments.

Speaker 2

Delinquency rates for borrowers underlying PMT's MSR portfolio remain low, While servicing advances outstanding increased to $191,000,000 from $80,000,000 at September 30th due to seasonal property tax payments, No principal and interest advances are currently outstanding. Income from PMT's Correspondent Production segment was up from last quarter, primarily due to higher margins. Total correspondent loan acquisition volume was $24,000,000,000 in the 4th quarter, up 10% from the prior quarter. Conventional loans acquired for PMT's account totaled $2,500,000,000 down 10% from the prior quarter due to seasonal impacts. The weighted average fulfillment fee rate was 20 basis points, unchanged from the prior quarter.

Speaker 2

PMT reported $41,000,000 of net income across its strategies, excluding market driven value changes and the related tax impacts, up from $32,000,000 last quarter. We'll now open it up for questions. Operator?

Operator

I would like to remind everyone, we will only take questions related to PennyMac Mortgage Investment Trust or PMT. Your first question is from the line of Bose George with KBW.

Speaker 3

Hey, guys. On slide 8 where you give the run rate potential ROE, it declined and it looked like it declined on the return on the MSR. Can you just talk about the returns expected this quarter versus last quarter? And then I thought like as the curve steepens that should sort of benefit that number and is that right?

Speaker 4

Hey, those, this is Dan.

Speaker 2

So the run rate did decline based On the interest rate strategies, really what we see there is that the curve if we're thinking about the curve for the MSR really It's more de invert sorry, inverted more if you're looking at versus really short term rates, which is We're financing the MSR and especially at PMC where the vast majority of the financing for the MSR is really secured. So we have short rates that are still sticking and it looks like even through the Q1 here probably at the same rates that they've been. And meanwhile, the longer term rates that drive the yield on the MSR came down pretty meaningfully in the Q4. And so that sort of compression in the short term is what drove the reduced expected return over the in the run rate, which is really over just the next 4 quarters. As if interest rate or short term interest rates decline as we in the market are expecting them to We see this sort of through the forecast.

Speaker 2

We expect that overall spread to increase that would the curve would be invert And that would create a sort of better spread in terms of the ROE, driving higher ROE for the MSRs and the interest rate sensitive strategies overall. And that could lead to a greater expectation or return potential for the interest rate sensitive strategy. So, we do based on What's sort of forecasted in the market, expect that to evolve over the coming year. But just looking out at the sort of Shortish term, currently we see some compression in the interest rate sensitive strategies as the while or as the short rate is still

Operator

Your next question is from the line of Matthew Howlett with B. Riley.

Speaker 4

Hey, thanks for taking my question. First, just on the credit side, I mean, you bought some CRT in the Q4, then you sold a lot of it, the season stuff in January. What's your view on spreads Today with CRT, any update on a securitization program on the horizon, maybe second liens or elocs And or a restart of the CRT, I know the GSEs are out with some of their guidelines today, but an update on the credit side and where you think you can maybe grow it and what you think of spreads now?

Speaker 1

Yes, sure. Hey, Matt, it's David. I think that on the credit sensitive strategies front, we had very strong returns in 2023 and that really speaks So a really great job Will and the team are doing in terms of actively managing that portfolio. We bought $17,000,000 earlier in the quarter of CAS and STACKER bonds, we sold $56,000,000 after quarter end, opportunistically as spreads tightened. And look, we're going to continue to monitor the market.

Speaker 1

The sale of the bonds were because the yields were well below our required returns and Just redeploying them even to pay down warehouse lines made sense and as a way to have dry powder to be able to invest in credit sensitive assets as we see them. In terms of a securitization program, We're starting to see some asset securitizations of second liens, albeit the credit Pieces of those securitizations don't meet our required returns at P and T, although we're monitoring them very, very closely. And I think that's something that we're just going to continue to monitor. I don't see the GSEs coming back with a lender credit risk program Until we see an increase in the overall size of the mortgage market at a minimum, they right now need all the production they can get to support their own CASM stacker bonds. And so it's something that we're continuing to stay in dialogue with them.

Speaker 1

But I don't see that. I think look, I think we have We're in a position where we have dry powder to invest when we see the opportunities and continue to deliver the returns we need to maintain our dividend. We had a great year in PMT overall where We for the Q4, we delivered 12%. For the year, we were at 11% where earnings exceeded the dividend and we exceeded the dividend In a nice way, we had minor book value growth per share, which in the REIT sector says a lot given the volatility that we saw and speaks to the hedging that we do as well as the opportunities that we see in the market So I think by and large it's going to be until we can raise capital and I see that as an opportunity that's going to present itself hopefully at the Later parts of the year as we see rates decline, but we continue to actively manage the portfolio.

Speaker 2

The other piece that I mentioned, Matt, is that if you look at our portfolio, Around 70% of the portfolio is invested in our core assets in terms of MSR and our existing lender credit risk share that we have outstanding, given where interest rates have been and the note rates on those portfolios, the run of those is very slow. So our need to sort of redeploy at this point It's not huge. So as David mentioned, we're looking for the opportunities and investing opportunistically where we see those opportunities. But in terms of the overall portfolio, the runoff is not that great at this point in time.

Speaker 4

Right. That's a good point. And then On the subject of sort of allocation of capital, how long will this interplay with PMT selling a big chunk of their conventional production to be at the site. How long you expect you guided to that in the Q1? Obviously, there's huge synergies between the 2 companies.

Speaker 4

How long do you see that continuing and what will need to change for PMP to start retaining that production? And of course, David, you run up the dividend. Just any owner sense you want to keep the in terms of this interplay between buying back stock and just paying that dividend, Do you feel like you want to pay the dividend or given the stock's discount to book, would you see allocating more capital to buybacks? Just curious on that. Thank you very much.

Speaker 1

Okay. So on the correspondent side, look, I think that we've it speaks volumes about the Synergistic relationship we have with PFSI that we have the ability to move loans over to PFSI In this period of time where we have alternative investments at a higher return and we're trying to pace how we deploy that capital and really with an eye towards Credit sensitive strategies as opposed to the MSR port is very large and we want to get that more in balance. I think it's look, it's going to I don't see it changing in Q1, Q2. It's a capital allocation issue from the point of view Should we raise capital, we have more capital to deploy and we want to deploy in MSRs, PMT will sell less loans to PFSI. And I think it's nothing more complex than that.

Speaker 1

But I think for now, it speaks to the more of the active management that we're taking in the portfolio in PMT and how we think about the split between credit sensitive strategies and interest rate sensitive strategies. Dan, you want to talk about the dividend?

Speaker 2

Sure. With respect to the dividend and sort of the trade off that you mentioned, Matt, So where we've seen the price to book in recent periods where we've been moving closer to price to book, We have not seen the repurchase of shares as attractive as we obviously have We made share repurchases where we see that disconnect become meaningful. But I think we in order for us to look at Repurchasing more shares in a significant way we want to not that we would want to see, but we wouldn't do that unless we saw The share price to book or the price to book ratio dropped from where it is today. We believe for PMT and we've stated this before that having A stable dividend is sort of important and meaningful. We do see a path consistent with what I was discussing earlier And what we've discussed before for our run rate to move back toward the current dividend level, at this point, we don't think that it that it warrants a change in the dividend.

Speaker 2

And so we expect to at least in the near term have our dividend level remain consistent if we do see If we don't see a path back to, you know, for the run rate back to that $0.40 per share, you know, then that would Precipitate us reevaluating that, but given what sort of the market expects and how that would impact the earnings potential of our portfolio, We do see that path as a likely potential in the future.

Operator

Your next question is from the line Kevin Barker with Piper Sandler.

Speaker 5

Hello, again. Just wanted to follow-up on you sold some CRT this quarter. Do you see any opportunities to make some structural changes that could potentially enhance the ROE of the business, to bring it closer to the $0.40 dividend run rate, Particularly with you have a couple of debt maturities coming due here in 2024. Could you potentially move some assets, pay down that debt and Maybe shift the balance sheet a bit, just additional color there on what you're considering? Thanks.

Speaker 2

So with respect to the maturities in 2024, We do so we have a couple of secured maturities, specifically a CRT maturity that's upcoming. That we expect to look to probably put some of the securities repo for a period of time and then look to refinance that, the market has improve the bit for the financing of our credit risk transfer securities into the Texas structures that we've had previously. And so we do we see that as an opportunity there. And that could somewhat improve The return profile, though that's for a limited part of the portfolio. As we look out further into the maturities, we do have a maturity of the Our convertible debt later in 2024, we've Partially addressed that last year with our baby bond issuance.

Speaker 2

We have seen the baby bond market be active, Somewhat active in terms of issuance in the mortgage REIT space, that's a potential there or additional Yes, or another convertible debt issuance, or potentially if neither of those is attractive to your point with respect to The overall earnings of the portfolio then could look to delever and we do have the ability to do that without really significantly repositioning the portfolio. At this point in time, I don't think we're considering A significant shift in terms of the overall makeup of the portfolio.

Speaker 1

That's

Speaker 2

We think what we have in both cases, like I said, on the credit sensitive side, generates meaningful returns even at the tighter spreads and we've repositioned the or rotated out of the assets where We didn't think that those returns were commensurate with the risk adjusted returns were commensurate with where we wanted to be invested. On the interest rate sensitive side, I think that's really again a matter of the shape of the yield curve at this point in time, which is really to normalize. And that's where we expect to drive up the return profile in that case. Yes. No significant shift in terms of the makeup of the portfolio.

Speaker 2

I wouldn't say we're contemplating currently.

Speaker 5

I realize you made comments around the shape of the curve, but is there any way you can quantify the impact of Fed rate cuts And relative to your earnings, obviously, it could shift quite a bit, but is there any way to simply look at it from a Fed rate cut perspective?

Speaker 2

Yes. The I mean, the way that you would generally look at it if we assume if you assume that the Fed rate cuts are baked in more or less and that the longer term in the current period and that the longer term Yields wouldn't move significantly to the extent that the Fed follows the path that's sort of currently contemplated. If there's Six rate cuts or something along those lines baked in toward through the year, That's a point and a half that would come off of our floating rate debt on MSRs, which is a several $100,000,000 So it adds a meaningful It adds a meaningful amount to the other assets, the interest rate sensitive assets, the returns, Our expected returns wouldn't change with the amount that they're earning. Our cost on the debt would decline meaningfully in terms of several $1,000,000 just from those interest rate cuts. I think that's the way to think about it.

Speaker 5

Okay. Thank you, Dan.

Operator

Your next question is from the line of Kevin Barker with Piper Sandler. I do apologize. Your next question is From Eric Hagen with PTIG.

Speaker 6

Okay. Thanks for taking my question. Hey, looking at Slide 19, with around $240,000,000 odd of liquidity buffer relative to the FHFA requirement. Can you share how much you've seen that liquidity buffer fluctuate, especially when rates are volatile and how close maybe you got to that threshold during periods of higher volatility like we saw last fall?

Speaker 2

Yes. No, our liquidity has been pretty stable. Our Part of what we look at in terms of our hedge profile is the impact that the interest rate shifts can have on liquidity. I mean, we keep a reserve as part of our liquidity forecasting and our amounts of required liquidity in terms of managing the business that accounts for interest rate volatility and the impacts that that could have on our liquidity available. But if you look at our liquidity that's On the balance sheet in the last couple of quarters, I believe we kept it at a pretty stable level there, which is 2x what the requirement is.

Speaker 2

So that really has not been an issue even given the interest rate volatility that we've seen over the past couple of quarters.

Speaker 6

Right. Okay. And then on Slide 12, it looks like you have about $1,300,000,000 of capital in the interest rate sensitive strategies. Can you split apart how much is in the MSR versus the MBS and hedges and maybe how much capital see yourselves allocating to MBS and hedges going forward?

Speaker 2

Yes. So the The vast majority of the capital in there is allocated to the MSRs. It's the most capital intensive asset. I think that we stated earlier in the presentation that 56% of the shareholders' equity is in the MSRs. And so that's Over $1,000,000,000 of that $1,200,000,000 The agency MBS, if we just look at them on their face, even though it's Significant portfolio, the haircut on that is relatively low, so it doesn't take nearly as much equity.

Speaker 2

And there's also that's similar for the rest of the assets that are in this section. So It's really predominantly the MSRs and even if we add significantly to the agency MBS portfolio On a standalone basis in terms of the equity allocated, although we would We may have to sort of increase our reserves depending on the interest rate sensitivity and how much we would want to hold for margin calls on its face, wouldn't increase the equity allocation that much to hold additional MBS there.

Speaker 7

Yes. That makes sense. Thank you, guys.

Operator

Your next question is from the line of Jason Weber with Jones Trading.

Speaker 7

Hi guys. Thanks for taking my question. So as of today, can you give us some sort of current context on the level of spreads and overall incremental ROE potential on new CRT such as the stacker bonds that you were buying?

Speaker 2

I mean, the where we've seen sort of new stacker in CAS today, I mean, we as was mentioned, we just sold a bit of those. So I think it's fair to say, it doesn't In terms of those assets didn't it wasn't commensurate with the sort of return profile that we have in the mid teens for the CRT and sort of the target that we've had there. But the overall including the margin call reserves that we would look to hold On the CRT that's out in the market, probably high single or low double digits is what we see in sort of current market or recent trades, that fluctuates. And so opportunistically, in the Q4, We invested where we saw attractive spreads that met our return hurdles, but that's sort of the most recent color in terms of what we've seen.

Speaker 7

Thanks. And I apologize if this was addressed during the prepared remarks, but where would you ballpark book value change year to date?

Speaker 2

We don't typically get in sort of give a mark for that. But Overall, if you look at historically where we've been in terms of overall book value, it's been pretty stable over the past few quarters. That's been really The benefit of having the hedging program that we've had is that we don't see the type of Even with interest rates being pretty volatile, we don't see that our book value fluctuate in the same way that certain other portfolios do. So overall, just give the color, it's pretty stable book value quarter to date.

Speaker 5

All right.

Speaker 7

Thank you for the color.

Operator

We have no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call back over to Mr. Spector for closing remarks.

Speaker 1

Thank you, operator, and thank you all for joining us this afternoon. I appreciate the questions and the time, and I encourage Investors and analysts are with any additional questions to contact our Investor Relations team by email or phone. And

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