Banco Santander-Chile Q4 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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February 2, 2024

There are 7 speakers on the call.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and I would like to welcome you to Banco Santander Chile Results Conference Call on the 2nd February 2024. At this time, all participant lines are in listen only mode. The format of the call today will be a presentation by the management team followed by a question and answer session. So without further ado, I would now like to pass the line to Mr. Emiliano Mulatorre, the CFO.

Operator

Please go ahead, sir.

Speaker 1

Good morning, everyone. Welcome to Banco Santander Chile's 4th quarter 2023 results webcast and conference call. This This is Emiliano Uratores, CFO, and I'm joined today by Christian Vicuna, Chief of Strategic Planning and Investor Relations And Cabernaria Silva, our economist. First, I want to express my gratitude for your presence at this quarterly meeting. Let's go down to business.

Speaker 1

We are here to discuss our performance during the Q4. The macro conditions were more favorable as we anticipated in our last call, which helped our margins and net income recover. The Central Bank of Chile has continued its rate reduction strategy, which has had a positive impact on funding costs. We'll delve into the specific of our quarterly results in a moment. Now I pass the line to Carmen Gloria for the macro update.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Emiliana. On Slide 5, I present a summary of the macro overview in the country. After a necessary process of macroeconomic adjustments, 2023 was marked as a year of subdued global economic growth, exchange in global financial conditions and emerging geopolitical tensions. All of this occurred in a context where the process of inflationary convergence was consolidated, which would have facilitated the end of the cycle of break sites by the main monetary authority. In this global environment, economic activity in Chile continued its deceleration during 2023.

Speaker 2

Investment persisted in the adjustment process of previous years and private consumption presented year on year reductions in response to elevated interest rates and the continually deteriorating labor market. Indeed, the labor force participation rate showed There is no progress, hovering around 61% of nearly the entire year, below pre pandemic levels, And the unemployment rate escalated to 8.5%. Despite this weakness, Economic activity was bolstered by strong sales effects emanating from specific supply factors. On one hand, the added value of electricity generation received an additional interest due to increased rainfall in the country. On the other hand, the mining sector displayed improved performance due to the start of new projects.

Speaker 2

The level of activity was constructed marginally in 2023, exhibiting an annual variation of minus 0.2%, less than the previously estimated. For the current year, economic activity is projected to grow at a rate of around 2%, This process will persist through 2025, culminating in an expansion of 2.5%. Domestic inflation continued its descent at a faster pace than anticipated. The CPI concluded 2,033 with an annual variation of 3.9%, falling below what was projected. And the U.

Speaker 2

S. Variation closed at 4.8%. The adjustment in the national energy prices, The weakness in domestic demand, a constructionary monetary policy and the appreciation of the exchange rate for the first half of the year where pressure factors for this decline. In the next month, inflation will persist in this downward trend until reaching 3% at the onset of the 2nd quarter. And it will, however, with some temporary increases around that value until the year's As of January 2024, a new customer bucket was considered in the CPA calculation.

Speaker 2

According to our preliminary analysis, this new basket would not introduce any bias to prices by Lower inflationary pressures permitted the continuation of the monetary normalization cycle. The Central Bank accumulated a reduction of 300 basis points in the monetary policy grade during 2023, concluding at 8 point 25%. For the current year, the reductions continued with a start of 100 basis points in January And for the upcoming meeting to be held at the beginning of April, a new aggressive decrease is projected between 100 and 125 basis points, and it will descend to 4% at the year's end, close to its near term value. The exchange rate has recently depreciated again beyond the value explained by its This upward trend exceeded that observed in other regional currencies, responding to the minor rate differential. In our central scenario, the exchange rate was rectified in deviation and appreciated towards the year's end to level approaching dollars 8.70.

Speaker 2

This in response to the anticipated weakening in the dollar globally, The recovery of international copper prices and adjustment in the global monetary cycle, particularly by the fact, Which will alleviate pressures on the rate front?

Speaker 1

Thank you, Carmen Gloria. Turning our attention to Slide 7. Let me begin by reminding you of our commitment to our 4 Key strategic pillars that are part of our Chile First strategy. We would like to take the opportunity to highlight Some of our main achievements in 2023. Firstly, we are the largest bank in Chile in terms of total volume, the sum of loans and deposits, with a market share of 17.4%.

Speaker 1

Our place in the Dow Jones Sustainability Index for Emerging Markets was confirmed, being the only Chilean bank to qualify for this index and emphasizing our leadership and sustainability. In this context, we issued our first green bond for around $50,000,000 under our ESG framework. Decisions was the first in Chile to state green mortgage as the use of proceeds. Currently, we have a growing portfolio of approximately MXN100 1,000,000,000 in green housing that complies with the highest housing energy certifications by the Ministry of Housing and Urban Planning in Chile. We offer preferential interest rates to clients choosing green housing, And we also contribute to conservation and preservation projects in Chile.

Speaker 1

We continue to remain committed to financial inclusion through our digital initiative, Santander Life on Los Lucas. Just in 2023, we have contributed by facilitating access to a bank account to more than 167,000 people. The advances in our digital initiatives have driven our clients To reduce their cash transactions, allowing us to accelerate the transformation of our branches, by year end 'twenty three, we reached 91 work cafes, including 5 Espresos, which we will hear more about in a few slides. Thanks to these advances, we have the highest quality service among Chilean banks and for the 4th consecutive year with an NPS of 60 And we have been recognized as best bank in Chile by Euro Money and the Banker. Our earnings potential has been acknowledged by the market with our total shareholder return reaching an impressive 35.8% in 2023, the highest among our Chilean peers and double the return of the Chilean stock index in 2023.

Speaker 1

Moreover, We announced our new investment plan for 'twenty three to 'twenty six for $150,000,000 to continue with the modernization of our branch network 1st and foremost, we are steering a transformative journey towards becoming a diesel bank with branches. Our transformation into a diesel bank It's not only adopting the latest technology, but also about creating a physical presence through our innovative work affairs. These spaces are more than just places to interact with customers. They are dynamic hubs that promote connectivity. With advanced technology and a commitment to excellent service, our work efforts are designed to redefine the banking experience.

Speaker 1

Our second pillar is centered on providing specialized value added services tailored to our corporate middle market and private banking clients. Our commitment is to deliver premium transactional trade, foreign exchange and advisory products and services, ensuring our clients receive a top notch experience. In our 3rd pillar, we are committed to fostering innovation and propylene growth. We are not confident with the status quo. We aim to lead the change in redefining the banking landscape.

Speaker 1

We actively seek New business opportunities pioneering the sustainable transformation of our clients. By challenging conventions, We aim to drive growth and cultivate success. Lastly, we place great importance on the role of our organization. To realize our objectives, we are dedicated to building an agile, collaborative and high performance culture. We recognize that diversity is our strength and individuals will flourish based on merit.

Speaker 1

We are Starting a thriving community where talents are nurtured and innovative ideas are highly valued. The outstanding success of our digital products has been firmly established during 2023 with the continuous growth of our digital client base. Key initiatives such as Santander Life and more recently, Mas Lucas have been instrumental in achieving this. The mass Lufthans account was launched in March 2023 and is the first 100% digital site from saving account for the mass market. It now has over 117,000 clients exceeding our initial expectations for the year, and it currently accounts for more than 30 facial recognition technology and no password requirements.

Speaker 1

This account comes with no fixed or variable cost and accepts deposits up to MXN 5,000,000. On Slide 10, we can see how the advances of our Dido strategy is allowing us to continue The transformation of the branch network through Work Cafe to improve productivity. Our bank's Work Cafe branches are expanding to cater to the specific needs of our clients. We have launched 3 new types of work cafe formats, including the Work Cafe espresso, which consolidates cash operations into transaction hubs, while maintaining our work at the ambiance. This is a great initiative as it provides an efficient and secure banking experience for our customers.

Speaker 1

We have already opened 5 of these branches in 2023 and since its launch. The NPS of the work of espresso is 74 points, which has helped improve the overall opinion of the bank by 30 points. We also have our work as a startup, which offers a comprehensive solution to all the needs of entrepreneurs and especially to increase banking usage, carry out pilot programs with the bank and even offer financing. This is a great way to support entrepreneurs and help them grow their business. Finally, we have launched Barca FInversiones, a dedicated asset management work affair designed especially for investment advice for clients and not clients, independent of their income situation.

Speaker 1

In this branch, we offer weekly talks about different investment products or economic trends to provide advice services and in this way support financial education. At the bottom of the page, you can see how the use of digital channels on the transformation of our branch network is leading to a strong decrease in our branch footprint, decreasing 24% in 2022 and a further 14% in 'twenty three, reaching a total of 247 branches by year end. Notably, 31% of our branches no longer have new Cuban sellers, With this branch is providing value added services like our traditional work assets. At the same time, our productivity has continued to improve with loan and deposit volumes per branch increasing by 24% year over year and an 8.9% rise in the same metric per employee during the same period. On Slide 3 11, we can see how our key initiatives with SMEs are driving an impressive growth in this segment.

Speaker 1

Our digital live account for SMEs continues to drive a 19% year over year increase in total SME clients with more than 380 Moreover, there has been a 21% year over year increase in active SME clients. When considering current account for businesses As reported by the CMS, we see a remarkable 35% increase capturing close to 35% of the total market as of October of 2023. GetNet, our acquiring business, continues to be an important driver for capturing new SME clients as well as expanding into larger clients requiring a hospital solution for more sophisticated clients requiring a more integrated payment system. Currently, Genet operates more than 163,000 active point of sales, POS terminals across the country. During 2023, Guelter generated fees totaling ARS 45,000,000,000 and a net income of ARS 11,000,000,000.

Speaker 1

Slide 12 illustrates how we have the best cost dynamics in the industry and the tight cost Control supported by our digital transformation that we have been able to exercise during 2023. As you can see, With our growing client base and launch of various Chile first initiatives such as Mas Lucas and Work Cafe Espresso, we managed to reduce our cost in CLP 57 billion. This was thanks to proactively implementing higher standard for passwords for the online account and adenomics CBD on credit cards. This, among other initiatives, enabled us to renegotiate our fraud and civil security insurance. Furthermore, we We are in the process of implementing Graviti, the Santander Group's homegrown digital cloud native core marketing platform.

Speaker 1

This technology is unique in the industry and has helped Santander become the 1st major bank in the world with in house software that digitalizes core banking, allowing the bank to serve our customers faster, better, more efficiently and reliably. We are in Chile in the finishing stage of the implementation of gravity, with Santander already implemented in 2023 and the rest of Santander Chile in the first half of twenty twenty four. Our recurrence ratio, that is our net fees divided by total expenses, is currently at 58%, substantially higher than the rest of the Chilean system. Therefore, the fees generated by our clients Through current accounts and value added products such as cards, insurance, mutual funds are covering 58% of our expenses. Our costs represent only 1.1% of our assets compared to 1.5% in the industry.

Speaker 1

These key performance indicators underscores our organization's transformation towards agility, collaboration and high performance. On Slide 13, we're pleased to show that we have maintained our leadership in terms of our NPS Net Promoter Score, creating a 4 point lead in the 4th quarter with our closest peer and reaching a total of 60 points. Our NPS score is based on feedback from more than 60,000 surveys measuring over 30 NPS metrics across Our various service channels on a daily basis. This invaluable feedback allows us to proactively manage and improve our client service. Our digital and remote channels continue to receive very high levels of satisfaction from our clients with our app And website reaching scores of above 70 points.

Speaker 1

Our contact center is also highly rated, outperforming our peers. On Slide 14, we can see how we are moving forward with our employees. For the 5th consecutive year, we obtained the top employer certificate. During the year, we carried out 3 employee surveys called Your Voice, where we measured commitment, leadership and SPS, simple, personal and fair. We can see in the graph how these indicators have been steadily improving.

Speaker 1

We also want to highlight that in January, we reached a new agreement with our 23 employee unions with inclusion of further employee benefits and the adjustment of the working week to 40 hours, reaching the country's regulatory target years in advance. In terms of diversity, we continue to steadily increase the number of women in higher And senior management and with our Board elections in April 23, we became the listed Chilean company with the highest participation of female directors in Slide 15 shows our impressive progress with our 10 disposable banking goals. As you can see, A number of our original goals have already been met, such as being among the top employers in Chile, 100% of our energy coming from renewable sources And to our solar plant, the elimination of 100% of single use plastic, the granting of more than 19,000 scholarships and internships since 2019, for surpassing the regional goal and reaching 100% cargo neutrality. Our remaining goals are progressing along nicely and Are well on their way to meeting their targets for 2025. We have added an extra goal to have 40% to 60% of women On Board of Directors, something we achieved in 'twenty 3 with 44%.

Speaker 1

Going forward, we will be reviewing where our challenges For the coming years on setting ourselves more ambitious targets that I'm positive we will meet. On Slide 16, we can see how our efforts are translating into recognitions of our leadership in the Chilean banking industry. In 'twenty three, the banker awarded us best bank in Chile, while Euromoney recognized us as the best bank in Chile and best bank for SMEs, corporate social responsibility, diversity and inclusion and ESG. Furthermore, Global Finance also awarded best bank for SMEs, And we were we gained recognition for our commitment to sustainability in the Latin Trade Index America Sustainability Awards 2023. Furthermore, our advancements in sustainability have been recognized by prominent sustainability indices with solid ratings from Sustainability and MSCI.

Speaker 1

More recently, we were confirmed as the only Chilean bank to qualify for the Dow Jones Now let's talk about the trends in our results and balance sheet in 2023 and the Q4. On Slide 18, we show our results for 2023. As you can see on the quarterly graph, the net income attributable to shareholders rebounded very strongly, producing the highest quarterly ROE in the year of 16.6%, With this accumulated net income for 2023 totaled ARS496 1,000,000,000, decreasing 39% year over year, impacted by the pressure on margins from the higher cost of funding. Our operating segments that Excludes the corporate centers and ALM, continue to perform well with 34.7% year over year increase in their net contribution with an important expansion in NII and T, with costs demonstrating the results of our strategy across the segments. Furthermore, the book value of our equity increased 5.8% year over year with our TNAP per share and dividend per share growing 12%.

Speaker 1

Overall, the accumulated return of our average equity for the year reached 11.9%. The results of our corporate and investment banking or CIB have continued to be impressive, increasing a 65% year over year growth. Net contribution from the middle market of corporate increased 27.9% year over year. Both of these commercial segments experienced an important rise in deposit spreads as well as high growth of fees and treasury income. The focus of these segments continues to be on our non lending activities driving profitability.

Speaker 1

On Slide 20, we can see that retail banking results increased 25.6% year over year, driven by the greater client base on more activity by our clients. Our active individual clients include 8,800 Private Banking and Wealth Management clients and 62,700,000 Santander Consumer clients And total individual active clients increased 8.1% year over year. Meanwhile, our active ethnic clients have grown 20.9% compared to December last year. The margin in this segment increased 22.3% year over year due to a better mix of funding and loan growth. Fees in this segment increased strongly by 21.1% year over year, driven by car fees due to greater usage and the increase in the client base as well as the fee generated by GetNet.

Speaker 1

Provisions increased 56.7% year over year Due to the growth of the portfolio, slowing economic growth and the normalization of asset quality of our retail loans after historically low levels of nonperforming loans due to the increase of liquidity of our clients in recent periods. Operating costs increased in a controlled manner by 4.1% year over year as the bank On slide 21, in the 4th quarter, loan growth was driven by retail lending. Retail banking loans grew 3.1 percent Q on Q and 7.3% year over year, driven by growth in mortgage. In recent periods, the origination of new mortgage loans has decreased due to high inflation and rates. However, in the second half of the year, mortgage loans Once again, it grew stronger than inflation, reaching a growth of 2.5% in the quarter and 8.5% year over year in the way that clients adjust to market conditions.

Speaker 1

Consumer lending grew 6% year over year, mainly due to credit card growth after quarters Between the end of 2019 2021, these loans decreased 7% as clients reduced large purchases such as travel and hotels, which fueled credit card loans. At the same time, many clients paid off credit card debt with the liquidity obtained from government transfers and pension fund withdrawals. At the end of 2022, as household liquidity levels returned to normal and holiday travel resumed, Credit card loans began to grow again. Retail banking loans grew 3.1% in the quarter, December 31, 2022, driven by growth in mortgage. In recent periods, the origination of new mortgage loans have decreased due to high inflation rates.

Speaker 1

SME loans grew 2.4% in the quarter after several quarters of construction. The COVID for GAAP loans are now finishing, And therefore, we are seeing a reactivation in demand for loans as well as the impact from the expansion of the SME client base to our digital accounts and GetNet. Our middle market segment increased 2.1% year over year and grew 1.5% in the quarter. This increase is mainly due to the effect of translation gains on the loans in dollars, mainly for our import and export clients. Around 21% of our commercial loans are in the U.

Speaker 1

S. And the Chilean peso depreciated 2.9% in 2023. This was explained in part by the 3.3% year over year increase in CIB and the 1.5% decrease in the quarter. Overall, loans have grown 5.3% year over year, and we expect loan growth to remain around mid single digits in 2024. Slide 22.

Speaker 1

Liquidity levels remained strong in the quarter. The bank's total deposit increased 3.9% quarter on quarter and 9.6 The increase was driven by time deposit that increased 3.1% quarter on quarter and 24.3% year over year, mainly due to an increase in large corporate deposits as the high interest rate remained attractive to clients, while our demand deposits have decreased 3.9% year over year due to a shift to time deposits. The year end saw a strong increase of 4.9% Q on Q in demand deposits has our clients maintained higher liquidity levels. Our acquired investments through mutual funds Intermediated by the bank also grew in the quarter, reaching an increase of 5.4% Q on Q and 25% during the year. Bonds issued increased 9.8% year over year and 1.1% for the quarter.

Speaker 1

During the year, the bank has issued bonds in U. S, Chilean pesos, dollars and Japanese gems taking advantage of attractive opportunities in the various fixed income markets locally and abroad. In the 1st days of 2024, the bank issued a senior bond for a total of CHF 1225 1,000,000 in the Swiss markets with a term of 3 years and a rate of 2.445%. It has been a while since we topped this market and we saw great interest and demand from investors. The bank's liquidity coverage ratio, which measures the peso touch of liquid assets over net cash outflows as of December 31, 2023, was 202%, well above the minimum.

Speaker 1

At the same day, The bank's net stable funding ratio and FFR, which measures the percentage of illiquid assets financed through stable funding sources, reached 106.5%, also well above the current regulatory minimum set for this ratio. On Slide 23, we have simplified balance sheet to I'll explain the different sensitivities on our structural balance sheet. In terms of inflation, on the asset side, we have around $45,000,000,000 in loans, of which nearly 60% is linked to inflation. On the liability side, the bank does have some deposits on bonds in U. S.

Speaker 1

However, We also use derivatives to control our exposure to inflation. In terms of interest rates, our time deposits, Some $18,000,000,000 have a maturity of 30 to 60 days in general. This means that with the rate increases, the cost of funding increases quickly. However, now that the rate cuts have started, the pass through for our cost of funding is relatively quickly. We also have interest sensitivity due to the FCIC line from the Central Bank.

Speaker 1

At the beginning of the pandemic, the bank received A fixed rate credit line from the Central Bank as part of the FCIC program, which we swapped to variable rate in 2020. The FCIC is to be paid in 2 installments during 2024 on April 1 July 1. In October 2023, the Central Bank launched a liquidity deposit program that offers Central Bank instruments a floating monetary policy rate with maturities on the FCIC payment date. The bank began to replace part of the Central Bank papers that were in the available for sale portfolio with these liquidity deposits recognized in the ShelltoCollect portfolio. As of December 31, 2023, the bank has invested $3,900,000,000 in this instrument.

Speaker 1

For us, the payment of the FCRC will not have a significant impact in our NII, as we will be paying a variable rate liability with the variable rate liquidity deposit from the Central Bank. In terms of our net interest margin ratio, We should see an improvement as the denominator of our interest earning assets decreases as we use our liquidity assets for the payments. In terms of margins, the bank's NIM in the quarter reached 2.9% and 2.2% for the year. As shown on this slide, we separate our client NIM from our AALM activities. The client NIM, which is defined as NII from our business segments over interest earning assets have increased as deposit on loan spreads have risen.

Speaker 1

However, our non client NIM shows the effects of the U. S. Gap between our assets and liabilities and our liquidity management. In general, the bank is well positioned for a fall in real rates where our liabilities re pricing faster than our assets. The variation of the U.

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S. In the 4th quarter was very high at 1.6%. However, we're expecting a very low inflation for the Q1 of 2024. This pass through of the lowering variation in the U. S.

Speaker 1

To our margin is immediate and will pressure our margin downward at the beginning of this year. Meanwhile, the Central Bank of Chile cut interest rates again by 100 basis points in January, And we expect further cuts in the coming quarters. For 2024, we expect our NIMs to start weaker than the 4th quarter, however, recovering strongly as the year goes on to reach total NIMs of 3% to 3.5% for 2024, depending on the evolution of rate cuts in Chile. Moving on to asset quality on Slide 25. The NPL ratio reached 2.3%, a little below current trend The coverage of NPLs as of December 2023 reached 157%, and there has been no reversal Voluntary provision.

Speaker 1

Our impaired loan ratio, which includes the NPLs and restructured loans, reached 5.6%, still below pre pandemic levels, But showing the same upward trends, we believe that NPLs should continue to increase slightly as asset quality follows the economic cycle and the labor market. On Slide 36, we show how the asset quality of the loan growth was over the last 4 years. At this point, we now have higher coverage For all our products, while the NPL ratio has been rising, the impaired ratio remains under control for consumer and mortgage loans. Our commercial loan book is showing more signs of deterioration with NPLs reaching 3% and the impaired ratio of 7.6%. As we can see on the graph on the right, most of the fact is concentrated on the small and medium sized companies.

Speaker 1

As a reminder, these SME loans account for around 9% As we can see on Slide 27, overall, our cost of credit remained in line with our guidance of 1.2%. In the graph on the bottom left, we can see how the cost of risk per segment is now similar to where we were before the pandemic. We expect cost of credit to remain at those levels 2024 with a better performance in the 2nd semester. On Slide 28, we move to non net Interest income revenue sources, which continue showing exceptional growth trends. Income from fees and treasury rose 6.4 compared to the Q4 in 2022 and decreased 5.2% in the quarter.

Speaker 1

This decrease was mainly due to Lower insurance brokerage and lower collection fees. However, commissions of our projects continue with good trends. The gradual implementation of the new interchange fee regulation started in October and will reduce fee growth in the 4th quarter, And we estimate a negative impact increase in 2024 of MXN 25,000,000,000 and MXN 47,000,000,000 for 2025. Considering this impact, for 2024, we expect these lines items to grow around 8% with strong growth from client and products mitigating the inter The result from financial transactions increased 37.9% year over year, mainly due to higher gains on foreign exchange hedges and decreased 30.2% quarter on quarter, mainly due to negative results in the inefficiency of hedges of the portfolio managed by financial management on the sale of portfolios in the period. As shown on Slide 29, we also can see the bank's efforts to continue increasing productivity and to control costs.

Speaker 1

Operating expenses decreased 5.6% year over year and increased 3% in the quarter. The quarterly decrease in personnel expenses We grew 18% in the quarter, mainly due to higher IT and communication expenses and outsourced services such as technological developments in the quarter. During 2023, the bank has focused on advancing in the execution of its investment plan of $450,000,000 for the years 'twenty 3 to 2026, with a focus on the initiatives and the renovation of branches. Moving on to Slide 30. We observed a positive evolution of our capital ratios.

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At the end of Q4 of 2023, the bank reported a core equity ratio of 11.1% and a total ratio of 17.6 percent after the distribution of annual dividends that amounted to 60% of the 2022 earnings. In May, the regulator announced that from next year, the Chilean banks will need to include a countercyclical buffer of 0.5%. This, together with the conservation buffer of 2.5% and the systemic buffer of 1.5% means that our minimum fully loaded core equity Tier 1 will be 9% in December 2025. On January 17, 2024, the CMS applied The current regulation on additional capital requirements are according to TLR 2, which contemplates 2 main topics: Credit concentration risk and the market risk of the banking book. A Pillar 2 requirement was established for 6 banks in the Chilean system.

Speaker 1

Dave is not assigned a charge to Santander Chile on this occasion. However, the measurement of the market release of the banking book will continue to be discussed And capital charges may be made in the coming years. On Slide 32, we conclude with some guidance for 2024. Our strategy of a digital bank with work assess will continue to provide us with greater digital client base with solid free growth and advances in operation efficiencies. For 2024, our market expectations are more positive with an estimated GDP of close to 2% and a U.

Speaker 1

S. Variation around 2.5%, with our monetary policy rating ending 2024 at 4%. With this, we expect loan growth to reach mid single digits as the economy reactivates. As rates continue to fall, our margins will continue to recover, reaching a range Of 3% to 3.5% in 2024 depending on the evolution of rate cuts. Non NII should be growing around 8% with good customer product trends but impacted by lower interchange fees.

Speaker 1

Cost of risk Should be stabilizing during the year around 1.2%, with asset quality following the economic cycle. Costs should be growing in line with its inflation, while maintaining best in class levels and effective tax rates will be normalized. With all of this, our ROE for 2024 will be recovering towards normalized levels, around 15% to 17%, with the Q1 of 2024 impacted by the low quarter inflation and reaching an ROE in the neighborhood of 10% in the first quarter, with profitability improving during the year. Finally, our guidance for long term ROE remains unchanged at between 17% to 19%. With this, I finish my presentation.

Speaker 1

And now, we will gladly answer any questions you have.

Operator

Thank you very much for the presentation. We will now be moving to the Q and A part of the call. Okay. Our first question comes from Mr. Tito Labarda from Goldman Sachs.

Operator

Please go ahead, sir.

Speaker 3

Hi, good morning. Thank you for the call and taking my questions. A couple of questions if I can. Just to follow-up a little bit on the asset quality And loan growth, right, I mean, you're seeing a little deterioration there, but I think, as you mentioned, more normalization. Just how much more do you think you could expect in terms of asset quality deterioration And in terms of how that could impact the loan growth, if things recover faster than expected, do you think there could be upside to your loan growth Or any risk to get into that mid single digit loan growth and maybe just some color on the loan growth by the different segments where you see the bigger opportunities?

Speaker 3

Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Tito. So first on the loan growth part, we don't see relevant risks Regarding our guidance of mid single digits, 5% to 6%, we see different composition in the way that growth Should it happen, we see more opportunities in the second half of the year for our consumer loan portfolio due to lower rates, Lower short term rates that are going to be probably in the market by the Q3. Apart from that, we don't see any extraordinary risks to our guidance. We should see a relevant growth in our retail portfolio Of SMEs and personal loans compared to the larger corporate customers. And regarding The cost of risk, we're currently at a 1.2% cost of credit.

Speaker 1

We see some Pressures that are coming along with the cycle, unemployment goes in 9% to 10% for the country. So this is pursuing a little the NPLs. And so NPLs would be going up to 2.5 to maybe 2 6 levels in the worst part of the period and then normalizing. We see a more favorable second half of the year. So we are thinking of a total year guidance of 1.2 for the cost of credit.

Speaker 3

Okay. That's very clear. Thank you.

Operator

Okay. Thank you very much. Our next question comes from Mr. Ernesto Gabilondo from Bank of America. Please go ahead, sir.

Speaker 4

Thank you. Hi, good morning, Emiliano and Christian. Thanks for taking my call. I have a couple of questions from my side. The first one will be on your NIM guidance.

Speaker 4

So when making the numbers, I believe you're expecting NIM expansion between 110, 130 basis points to the 3.5%. So having said that, Can you walk us through on how should we expect NIM during 2024, especially considering the maturity Of the derivative hedge and after paying back the credit line to the Central Bank. So just wondering if we can divide how should we speak NIM for the first half and NIM for the second half. And then my second question will be on Santander Life. Can you Talk a little bit more on how profitable is already Santander Life.

Speaker 4

I don't know if you can share like A P and L for this segment, what could be like the efficiency and the ROE for this segment? And I don't know if you have like a medium term target for this business. Thank you.

Speaker 1

Hello, Ernesto. This is Emiliano. Thank you for your question. I'll take the first one and I leave the second one For Cristian, so regarding the NIM profile for the year, I think that would be useful To see the NIM slide where you see the evolution During the quarter, since 2023, that definitely the effect on NIMs is the combination between the level of inflation and the level of rates. So As you saw in the Q4 last year, we still had high rates, but the level of inflation was High enough to be able to sustain a NIM close to 3% for the quarter.

Speaker 1

So In 2024, we'll have the first half with a NIM lower than the total year, lower Due to two main reasons. First, that we have this negative CPI in December that it's impacting The U. S. In the Q1, so the NIM for the Q1 will be in the low 2%, if you want, I mean, assuming that low inflation, but it's true that the rate scenario has been evolving Favorable for our balance sheet because the Central Bank cut 100 basis points on Wednesday and also provided The quite, let's say, dovish for our guidance. Then when you go to the rest of the year, The NIM will be going up because rates will keep going down and inflation, So we'll be closing the year in U.

Speaker 1

S. Variation around 2.5, 2.7 For the year and the second half, we'll have NIMs going north of 3.5 probably Because of the combination of rates and inflation and also, as you mentioned, that the expiration of the FCIC We'll imply a significant reduction on the denominator because the balance sheet, I mean, the total Interest bearing assets will go down because basically we will be deleveraging the balance sheet paying off That liability with short term securities and so that will make the arithmetic Of the meaning to take it north of 3.5 for the second half and as you said, finishing the year between 3% and 3.5%, depending on the combination of inflation and rates during the year. Thank you for the live question, Ernesto. While we are not disclosing yet specific P and L for life, I can give you some numbers for your Better understanding of the initiative. Currently, we have about $1,300,000,000 in customer deposits related to life And about $100,000,000 in consumer loans in the life account.

Speaker 1

Fees for the segment Means about $32,000,000 a year in card fees for ourselves. So The monthly fees that a customer pays to access the card that costs about $3 And We are currently having close to 100% of our live customers on a digital model with no relationship manager assigned to them. So that's very, very helpful for us to drive the cost of serving the customer very low. And the customer acquisition cost for every single live customer is paid within 3 months. That means that on the 4th month That our live customer gets into the bank, it's already profitable.

Speaker 1

So those are some figures To give you some flavor of how they like, it's currently performing.

Speaker 4

No, no. Thank you very much, Emiliano and Christian. Just a follow-up on Santander Live. So how many clients do you have today? I don't know, do you have a target to get or to approach

Speaker 1

So currently, in terms of current accounts, total current customers for the bank, we have About 300,000 a little more than 300,000 SME customers, 1 300,000 live current account customers and about 1,000,000 traditional current accounts. So that's 2,600,000 current accounts total. We're aiming to get by 2026 We are in the area of 4,500,000 customers. So we are closely monitoring these figures to Drive our customer expansion.

Speaker 4

Perfect. Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you very much. Our next question comes from Mr. Yuri Fernandes from JPMorgan. Please go ahead, sir.

Speaker 1

Hey, guys. Thank you very much for taking my question. I have a first one regarding the normalization of taxes like in the guidance. What normalizing tax mean like if you can Provide a range on that. Then I would like to ask about deposits.

Speaker 1

When we I like a lot your breaking down by business Units, right, you have the retail, the middle, the corporate. But when I check like the deposits growth, it seems that most growth is coming from CIB, right, like potentially larger, like more wholesale kind of funding. So my question is, what you're seeing on the funding Sai, are you like I don't know, maybe households there still in a more challenging scenario and you don't see a lot of retail deposits. But just want to get some help to understand a little bit of funding cost on the bank going forward because A point of concern is that the wholesale funding may be a little bit more expensive. So I would like to get your thoughts on this different deposit growth.

Speaker 1

And then I may do a follow-up. Thank you. Thank you, Yuri. I'll take the tax one, and Emiliano will address the first one. Regarding tax, the current statutory tax rate for Chilean entities, Chilean corporations is 27%.

Speaker 1

Normally, our historical tax rate on normal inflation years and without other effects Between 23% to 25%. We expect inflation will be more In the 2.5% range this year to be reaching those levels. And anticipating a little Emiliano's There is some certain speciality in the last quarter in terms of how corporations Display their end of year manager of their deposits. So it's like a sort of flight to Quality, and we see interesting flows from those companies in December, But more details, Guido, Miguel. Hello, Yuri.

Speaker 1

Thank you for your question. Regarding the like Cost of deposit, I think that going forward, we have 2 main like tailwinds. I mean, first is like The rates going down, so the cost of time deposits will go down significantly during the year. We have been doing, I would say a very aggressive tactic in terms of Pricing, the different segments in individuals and SMEs trying to increase the margin coming from time deposits. Actually, When you look at the EBITDA taking the EBITDA, the average cost of time deposits in pesos for the whole bank compared So the monetary policy rates, we were able to take that from 92%, 93% of the rates to Close to 80%, 82%.

Speaker 1

I mean, that's because we have been that's implied, as you mentioned, Some kind of loss of balances from maybe affluent or private banking clients They are more price sensitive. As an overall strategy was very profitable for us. So the cost of time It will be positive going forward. And the second is the mix. As you were pointing out, the wholesale or Middle market to bigger corporates has been doing better in terms of liability balances, But it's also true that it was the first segment to stop Falling in demand deposits and it's stabilizing and now starting to grow demand deposits, which are Non interest bearing.

Speaker 1

So also the mix between time and demand deposits that was part of the headwind we have These last few years because of the level of rates and the opportunity cost that the clients had, now going forward, we expect that mix To start improving from where we are now, and we are relatively like optimistic with how the cost of funds will support NIMs going forward. Super helpful, Emiliano and Cristian. If I may, just on a more strategic question here on the client mix. You discussed Life previously and you have been breaking down of Customers by segmentation, you are doing GetNet to have Delta strategy. My question to you is regarding the mix of Clients going forward, right, historically, I think you most of your retail clients, they are higher income.

Speaker 1

Is there any change to that? Like you said, they're Willing to go more lower income in Chile, like how should we think about like your positioning on the customer mix in Chile going forward? Thank you. Yes. I mean, definitely, as you said, if you compare the mix in terms of number of clients, Now our composition is much more geared to the middle, low part of the pyramid.

Speaker 1

And I would say that the main Driver for that switch of the strategy and also going forward is the digitalization, right? I mean, The cost to serve clients with branches and with an account representative for each client, that is very expensive Model to serve and that's historically produced that only middle to high income individuals We're able to create enough revenue to sustain such an expensive model to serve them. But now with all the work we have been doing in developing the digital solutions, we are able to Have a very efficient cost efficient model to serve any kind of clients. And as we're showing the life initiative Because of the balances it created in terms of deposits and also the presentation we are seeing, It's a very profitable source of business for us. So yes, I mean, I would say that the number We have the ambition to grow in number of clients and in the composition definitely compared to, I don't know, 5, 10 years ago, That will be much more massive, if you want.

Speaker 1

We don't have, at this moment of the cycle, a specific High appetite for lending or for credit because we are as we are seeing the economy It's still going out of the recession we had, but definitely that will provide Some raw material going forward to cross sell or to up sell and even the pure transactionality With how efficient we are in the digital solutions makes business case to sustain the client on their payments, on their Looking forward to upsell and cross sell them depending on their behavior and their profiles. No, no, super clear and makes a lot of sense. Thank you. Thank you guys for the answers.

Operator

Okay. Thank you. Our next question comes from Ms. Neha Agarwala from HSBC. Please go ahead, ma'am.

Speaker 2

Hi, thank you for taking my questions. Could I clarify on the liquidity after you repay the Central Bank bonds during the middle of this year. Should that pressure your liquidity? Could you clarify that? I think you have deposits to cover for it.

Speaker 2

If you could just clarify any impact on liquidity coming from that? And my second question is on asset quality. You mentioned the pocket where you're seeing some worsening is the SMEs. But any other part of the loan book where you're seeing stress and any extraordinary provisions that you would like to make during the year For any of these segments? Thank you so much.

Speaker 1

Hello, Nica. Thank you for your question. I'll take the first And I'll leave the second one for Christian. So regarding the maturity of the FCIC, that won't create any liquidity pressure because As we mentioned in some calls in the past, the Central Bank in January of 20 2023 established a kind of phase out strategy or regulation for banks that basically forced banks To start buying high liquid assets starting January 2023 To cover 100% of the majority of the ACSE. I mean, what that means is that by the date of the maturity, We and all the rest of the banks will have 100% of that money in short term or maybe not short term, but Highly liquid assets.

Speaker 1

And that's why in terms of the calculation or computation of the NIM and Any other ratio that uses total assets or interest bearing assets as a numerator that will create because at the end we have Roughly speaking, like 10% of the assets in that facility that will go away together with the liability. So in terms of liquidity, let's say that we'll reach that maturity with 100% prefunding On that and it won't impact. I mean, it has been impacting, if you want, during this last year and by the date of majority, we will have it So, Michal, regarding a deep dive into our asset quality. First, we are very happy with the current performance of our consumer loan book. It's actually very, very healthy.

Speaker 1

Regarding the mortgage loan, we are monitoring very closely the Because there are some specific very specific parts of the portfolio that are suffering due to the Higher rates and whether on inflation of the last years that have increased their monthly payments, but it's something that's very concentrated on And regarding the commercial portfolio, let me remind you that we have about a 14% Total market share for the commercial portfolio. And when you look at how it's composed, we have about 11% market share in the single name like individual, large, middle market and corporates and about a 20% market share in the SME portfolio. So we are actually quite at ease with the larger part of the The commercial middle market and corporates, but in the SMEs, we see pressures in 3 specific industries. Construction on real estate has been something that's happening worldwide. Very, very short term Funding stressed by high rates and the increased cost of materials and construction costs that is impacting that segment.

Speaker 1

Agricultural, particularly in Chile, because of the flooding of the Lino range in the Q3 that has impacted crops And the hotels and restaurants that have been suffering since 2019 and COVID and there are specific names there in the semi portfolio So all in all, we see these as a very contained, but And I expect that I give you a little more understanding of how this is going to be working on.

Speaker 2

Super helpful. If I can just verify the numbers, you mentioned that you have about 11% market share in the very large corporate And about 20% market share in the SMEs. And it is in the SMEs where for specific cases, you are seeing some problems, but the large accounts are okay.

Speaker 1

Yes, sorry.

Speaker 2

Perfect. Thank you so much.

Operator

Okay. Thank you very much. Our next question comes from Mr. Ewold Bittencourt from Veitch and Veitch and Veitch and Veitch. Please go ahead, sir.

Speaker 5

Hello. Thanks for the presentation. How do you expect to evolve the addressable market Size of lower income clients and thus the profitability of digital initiatives in targeting those segments Considering the regulators increasing some loan loss provisioning net, capital net?

Speaker 1

Thanks. So Thomas, can you explain a little more your question? So I think we're really good.

Speaker 5

Well, my question is, how do you expect What's your expectation for the total market size of Chris, some loan loss provisioning needs or at least is targeting to increase those loan loss provisioning needs. My question revolves around the if you expect to still be profitable, Those digital initiatives you're targeting, given that the total size of potential clients could decrease?

Speaker 1

Yes. So, well, yes, I'll take it. So, yes, your question, say, it implies More on the economics of lending, which definitely is a revenue source for our business, but that's kind of middle to low part of the pyramid clients like Most of life clients, also Masluga clients, feel that we can make money without lending much, To say our customer acquisition cost for those digital clients, I mean, in the first part of the Live cycle, it was like close to $1 or $2 I mean that was maybe too good to maintain. Now we are closer to the $7, $10 of customer acquisition cost. And when you look at The lifetime value of those clients, mainly on liability and transactionality and businesses, You see you get a payback close to 4, 5 months in that.

Speaker 1

I mean, and then you have some attrition. And so We think that we can make a profitable business with that number of clients despite the fact that When we consider lending and start penetrating them with different products for lending, we have to factor in, as you said, Higher cost in provisioning and also in capital, but we do expect to keep being profitable in acquiring Those kind of clients, despite the higher regulatory pressure of all.

Speaker 5

Okay. Thanks very much.

Operator

Thank you very much. Our final question comes from Mr. Daniel Mora from Credit Corp Capital. Please go ahead, sir.

Speaker 6

Hi, good morning and thank you for the presentation. I have a couple of questions. The first one is regarding the performance of the new credit card loans. We saw during the last quarter strong pace of growth with double digit growth even quarterly and annual. I would like to understand if you are feeling comfortable with the performance of these loans with these new vintages or Should we start to think that the performance is worse than the for example the loans that were disbursed At the beginning of 2023 or 2022?

Speaker 6

That will be the first question. And the second one is regarding the guidance of ROE. Just to understand the 15% to 17% range that you provide in the presentation is the full year ROE because if we start With the Q1 with a 10% ROE, it means that in the second half of the year, we should be close to the 20% or even above? Thank you so much.

Speaker 1

Hello, Daniel. Thank you for your question. I mean, starting with the second one, yes, that is the full year guidance for ROE. And As you mentioned, starting at 10% 4th quarter, assuming the path of rates that Even after the Wednesday meeting that the Central Bank stated that the neutral rate of 4% will be reached During the second half, you get ROEs close to 20% that, let's say, give you that average of 15% to 17% for the full year. And regarding asset quality in credit cards, I mean, we are Comfortable, I mean, what we are seeing when you look at the graph of the evolution of credit cards, You have to factor in also the effect of inflation.

Speaker 1

I mean, definitely in terms of nominal pesos, The credit card business has a very tight link to inflation. And so when you look at the evolution of The balance is in real terms, let's say, we are going back to the pre pandemic levels. I mean, at the end, what's happened It's that households get a lot of liquidity from the pension fund withdrawals and also from the fiscal hubs during the pandemic. So So part of that liquidity was spent and part of that liquidity was invested and part of the liquidity was used to pay back Debt basically households deleveraged got some deleverage during the pandemic and now they are going back To normal levels of leverage and we know quite well that the clients have their profiles and We have not seen a specific variation of the new vintages in the credit cards business.

Speaker 6

Perfect. Thank you so much. That will be all from my side. Thank you.

Speaker 4

Okay. Thank you very much.

Speaker 5

It Looks like we have

Operator

no further questions. I'll pass the line back to the management team for the concluding remarks.

Speaker 1

Thank you all very much

Operator

Thank you very much. This concludes today's conference call. We'll now be closing all the lines. Thank you and goodbye.

Speaker 1

All right.

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