NYSE:OIS Oil States International Q4 2023 Earnings Report $6.10 +0.06 (+0.91%) Closing price 03:59 PM EasternExtended Trading$6.18 +0.07 (+1.21%) As of 05:02 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast Oil States International EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.09Consensus EPS $0.09Beat/MissMet ExpectationsOne Year Ago EPS$0.05Oil States International Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$208.30 millionExpected Revenue$216.22 millionBeat/MissMissed by -$7.92 millionYoY Revenue Growth+2.90%Oil States International Announcement DetailsQuarterQ4 2023Date2/20/2024TimeBefore Market OpensConference Call DateTuesday, February 20, 2024Conference Call Time11:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsOil States International's Q3 2025 earnings is scheduled for Wednesday, October 29, 2025, with a conference call scheduled at 10:00 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Annual Report (10-K)SEC FilingEarnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Oil States International Q4 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrFebruary 20, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways Oil States achieved 24% sequential growth in its Offshore Manufactured Product segment revenues—its highest quarterly level in eight years—helping drive consolidated Q4 revenues to $208 M (+7% sequential, +3% YoY) and adjusted EBITDA to $24 M (+2% sequential, +17% YoY). The Offshore Manufactured Product backlog reached $333 M at year-end with $120 M in Q4 bookings (book-to-bill of 0.9x Q4, 1.1x FY), marking a third consecutive year above 1x, while rolling out industry-first deepwater slimline MPD systems, MPD-ready jackup rigs, digital monitoring platforms, and advanced valve and perforating technologies. Oil States reported its sixth consecutive quarter of positive net income—$6 M in Q4 or $0.09 per share—and forecasts 2024 revenues to grow ~5% with EBITDA of $90–95 M, free cash flow of at least $40 M (≥10% yield) and ~40% free cash flow conversion. The company is consolidating facilities by selling its Singapore and Houston sites (expected proceeds $35–40 M) and relocating Asian manufacturing to Batam, Indonesia, to optimize costs and support project backlog during Batam’s build-out. Despite a ~20% decline in crude prices and weak natural gas driving flat U.S. land activity, Oil States expects offshore and international markets to grow in 2024—bolstered by its enhanced technology offerings and emerging opportunities in energy transition projects. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallOil States International Q4 202300:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xThere are 7 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good day, and welcome to Oil States International Incorporated 4th Quarter 2023 Earnings Call. All participants will be able to listen only until the question and answer portion of this call. Please note that today's call is being recorded. That's all I need to go through for now. At this time, I would like to introduce the call to Ellen Pennington. Operator00:00:37You may now proceed, please. Thank you. Speaker 100:00:40Thank you, Ellie. Good morning and welcome to Oil States' 4th quarter 2023 earnings conference call. Our call today will be led by our President and CEO, Cindy Taylor and Lloyd Hajjik, Oil States' Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, we would like to caution listeners regarding forward looking statements. To the extent that our remarks today contain information other than historical information, please note that we are relying on the safe harbor protections afforded by federal law. Speaker 100:01:10No one should assume that these forward looking statements remain valid later in the quarter or beyond. Any such remarks should be weighed in the context of the many factors that affect our business, including those risks disclosed in our Form 10 ks along with other SEC filings. This call is being webcast and can be accessed at Oil States' website. A replay of the conference call will be available 2 hours after the Speaker 200:01:42Good morning and thank you for joining our conference call today where we will discuss our Q4 2023 results and provide our thoughts on market trends in addition to discussing our company specific outlook comments. For the oil and gas industry, 2023 can be summarized as a year in which international and offshore growth strengthened, while North American activity started to moderate. Our 4th quarter results reflect those trends with revenues in our Offshore Manufactured Product segment growing 24% sequentially boosted by a 39% sequential quarter increase in project driven revenues. This significant growth was offset by the impact of declines in U. S. Speaker 200:02:33Land based completion activity due to an approximate 20% decline in the price of crude oil during the quarter with continued weak natural gas prices and holiday impacts. Despite the reduction in U. S. Activity levels during 2023, Oil States reported both positive operating and net income for a 6th consecutive quarter. Our 4th quarter consolidated revenues and adjusted EBITDA increased sequentially by 7% and 2%, respectively, while year over year revenues and adjusted EBITDA grew by 3% 17%. Speaker 200:03:15These sequential and year over year improvements reflect significant growth within our Offshore Manufactured Products segment, where revenues totaled $138,000,000 in the 4th quarter, the segment's highest revenue level in 8 years. Segment backlog totaled $333,000,000 as of December 31, with backlog conversions supporting the 39% sequential quarter increase in project driven revenues. Segment bookings totaled $120,000,000 yielding a quarterly book to bill ratio of 0.9 times and a full year ratio of 1.1 times. 2023 marked the 3rd consecutive year that our book to bill ratio was greater than one time. We remain encouraged by the continued expansion in offshore activity globally, coupled with enhanced competitive positioning in each of our business segments through our recent new technology introductions. Speaker 200:04:20In the Q4, in response to the needs of global drilling contractors to drill more complex wells and unlock previously inaccessible reservoirs more safely, our Offshore Manufactured Products segment delivered what is believed to be the industry's first deepwater slimline managed pressure drilling system and we now have begun to market another industry first MPD ready system for jackup rigs. Subsequent to quarter close, our well site services and downhole technology segments have also launched key new technologies including our active hub digital platform for remote well site monitoring and control along with our active seat gate valve technology and an expanded portfolio of perforating gun systems called EPIC Precision and EPIC Flex. Benefits of our expanded technology offering combined with this international offshore focused investment cycle are expected to extend well beyond the next couple of years. Lloyd will now review our results of operations and financial position in more detail. Speaker 300:05:39Thank you, Cindy, and good morning, everyone. During the Q4, we generated revenues of $208,000,000 operating income of $8,000,000 adjusted consolidated EBITDA of $24,000,000 and net income of $6,000,000 or $0.09 per share. This represents our 6th consecutive quarter of positive net income. Adjusted consolidated EBITDA margin in the 4th quarter was 12% comparable to the prior quarter. Results for the 4th quarter included facility consolidation charges of $800,000 which were incurred as we prepare selected facilities for sale as well as patent defense costs of $600,000 Our Offshore Manufactured Products segment generated revenues of $138,000,000 operating income of $25,000,000 and adjusted segment EBITDA of $30,000,000 in the 4th quarter. Speaker 300:06:36As Cindy mentioned, revenues reported by this segment in the 4th quarter are at the highest level since the Q4 of 2015. Adjusted segment EBITDA margin was 22% in the 4th quarter comparable to the prior quarter. Regarding our facility planning, we consolidated certain facilities in Houston and are in the process of strategically relocating our Asian manufacturing and service operations from Singapore to Batam, Indonesia. These two facilities are classified as held for sale assets at December 31. Proceeds from the sales of our facilities in Singapore and Houston, which are anticipated to close in 2024 are expected to range between $35,000,000 $40,000,000 exceeding the costs associated with our planned investment in our new Batam facility. Speaker 300:07:29Construction in Batam will commence in the Q1 with completion targeted for the first half of twenty twenty five. In the meantime, temporary manufacturing lines have been set up in Batam so that we can efficiently execute both our contracted backlog and subsequent orders during construction. Backlog totaled $333,000,000 at December 31, an increase of 8% from December 31, 2022. The current quarter end backlog is at its 2nd highest level since the Q4 of 2015. In our Well Site Services segment, we generated revenues of $51,000,000 an operating loss of $1,000,000 and adjusted segment EBITDA of $6,000,000 in the 4th quarter. Speaker 300:08:18We also recorded charges of $600,000 associated with the defense and enforcement of certain of our patents. Adjusted segment EBITDA margin was 12% in the 4th quarter compared to 16% in the 3rd quarter reflecting industry activity declines in the quarter. In our Downhole Technology segment, we reported revenues of $19,000,000 an operating loss of $7,000,000 and an adjusted segment EBITDA loss of $3,000,000 for the quarter. Lower revenues and margins in the quarter were driven by the North American activity declines previously discussed. Included in the EBITDA loss was $1,300,000 of inventory reserves. Speaker 300:09:03During the Q4, we generated cash flows from operations of $4,000,000 and invested $6,000,000 in net CapEx to support future growth. As of December 31, no borrowings were outstanding under our revolving credit facility while amounts available to be drawn totaled $76,000,000 This together with cash on hand resulted in available liquidity of $123,000,000 We also extended the maturity date of our revolving credit facility to February 2028. Now Cindy will offer some market outlook and concluding comments. Speaker 200:09:42Thanks, Lloyd. The tight commodity markets of 20 22 led to higher commodity prices and activity levels. However, this took a turn in early 2023 as soft main global demand, higher production and resultant elevated inventories caused oil prices to drop during the Q1 of 2023. Activity declined in U. S. Speaker 200:10:08Land basins during the second half of twenty twenty three with the land rig and completion count down about 20% by the end of the year. WTI and Brent crude oil prices were both down approximately 20% at December 31 compared to the prices in effect at September 30. Global inventories continue to hold within their 5 year seasonal average for crude oil, albeit at the low end, but remain above the 5 year average for natural gas. Given current industry dynamics, we expect U. S. Speaker 200:10:44Land drilling and completion spending in 2024 to remain at or near current levels, but do think we will see increased spending in international and offshore markets. Revenues in our Offshore Manufactured Products segment are expected to continue to grow year over year as a result of strong order flow, increased levels of backlog and execution of major project milestones. We expect our Well Site Services and Downhole Technology segments to continue to perform in line with market activity indicators, which soften for U. S. Land activities beginning in the second half of 2023. Speaker 200:11:28Increased contributions from the commercialization of new technologies that I discussed previously should help us succeed over the longer term in the U. S. Land market. Considering these market conditions, we expect our annual revenues to grow about 5% on a consolidated year over year basis with EBITDA ranging from $90,000,000 to $95,000,000 Given typical seasonality and slow U. S. Speaker 200:11:56Land activity, the Q1 of 2024 is expected to be the weakest quarter of the year. In terms of our estimates for free cash flow generation in 2024, we expect to generate at least $40,000,000 in free cash flow, implying a free cash flow yield of 10% or greater. Our planned facility sales create more cash flow variability than is customary for us. Typically, the Q1 represents a use of cash due to the timing of various payments, including the payout of short and long term incentives with the balance of the year being cash flow positive. In terms of free cash flow conversion, we are targeting a free cash flow to EBITDA conversion rate of approximately 40%. Speaker 200:12:49We remain focused on optimizing our operations and pursuing profitable activity in support of our global customer base. As market opportunities unfold both in the U. S. And in international and offshore markets, we will continue to focus on core areas of expertise with the deployment of our recently enhanced equipment and technologies to further differentiate our product and service offerings. Now I would like to offer some concluding comments. Speaker 200:13:20Initially, the industry responded to higher commodity prices with accelerated shorter cycle investments in the United States, which the industry clearly benefited from in 2022. In 2023, we experienced an increase in investments in long lead time projects in international markets and deepwater basins around the world based upon the longer range outlook for commodity prices. Strong macro fundamentals continue to point to a multiyear upcycle outside the U. S, which should drive growth in revenues, earnings and free cash flow generation from our international and offshore operations. Our core competencies are well entrenched in the competencies are well entrenched in the markets we serve and we continue to bid on potential opportunities supporting our traditional subsea floating and fixed production systems, drilling and military customers, while also bidding to support multiple new customers and projects involved in developments such as deep sea minerals gathering, fixed and floating offshore wind developments, carbon capture and storage, geothermal applications and other renewable and clean tech energy opportunities. Speaker 200:14:35These new energy transition opportunities create strong potential for us to expand our product and service offerings and our revenue base over the longer term. Well States will continue to conduct safe operations and will remain focused on providing technology leadership in our various product and service offerings with value added products and services available to meet customer demands globally. That completes our prepared comments. Ellie, would you open up the call for questions and answers at this time? Operator00:15:11Certainly. We are now opening the question and answer session for today. Our first question comes from Connor Jensen from Raymond James. Your line is now open. Speaker 400:15:37Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my call today. Speaker 200:15:40Hi, Connor. Speaker 400:15:43Yes. So, Q1, the book to bill fell below 1 for the first time in a little bit. How's the kind of some color around bidding activity in the current outlook would be great, maybe contrast that with the past few quarters and if this is something that's going to continue or if you expect that to jump back above 1? Speaker 200:16:05Yes. Thanks for the question, Conor. I think you meant 4th quarter book to bill of 0.9 and the annual was 1.1. I have to point out that quarter by quarter bookings obviously can vary. And importantly, we have one of the strongest revenue quarters in years. Speaker 200:16:24And so bookings at $120,000,000 were actually favorable bookings overall. So you can't necessarily look quarter by quarter. But importantly, I would say what are we looking at for 2024 and I guided to a book to bill north of 1 at this point in time. And as always, we may have some mix shifts in there, whereas we have lower kind of connector products activity really in 2023, we expect some uplift in 2024. Strong production facilities, particularly in Brazil, that may moderate just a bit given timing of projects only. Speaker 200:17:06But importantly, some of our new capital drilling equipment technologies around our MPD systems and our high pressure riser systems will get a lift that we've not seen in several years. And we're pleased to say that our first MPD system has been in the water operating in MPD mode successfully in the Q1. So we're pretty positive about this new piece of our business, that again is brand new technology for us. So while some projects can flatten or moderate, other ones are listening. We also expect to see strong activity on the military order side of our business. Speaker 200:17:48And so that on balance again expect a book to bill north of 1. There can be variations quarter by quarter. There always are. So we tend to look at the annual type book to bill more so than individual quarters because of both order variability as well as revenue generating variability. Speaker 400:18:09Yes. Thank you. That's great context there. And then just following up, you said that you expect military to be strong. Obviously, it ticked up a little bit here. Speaker 400:18:19Do you expect those levels to continue higher or was this kind of a one off? Speaker 200:18:25No. We expect a very strong order book in 2024 as well. Operator00:18:37Our next question comes from Alec from Stifel. Your line is now open. Speaker 500:18:45Hi, good morning everyone and thanks for taking my question. Good morning. So just to kick us off here, I was wondering if you can provide us some color on your expectations for margins in the wellsite and downhole technologies, if activity were to remain steady around current levels in North American land? Yes. Speaker 200:19:03No, I think that's a very good focal point for us. I'm having Lloyd kind of look at the model visavis the margins. But just generally speaking, it's no secret that the natural gas market is under significant pressure right now. And in fact, the March contract for nat gas closed below 2 at $1.61 on Friday. That's the lowest price we've seen in 25 years. Speaker 200:19:31And so, that's the major message for me around land. Crude oil prices seem to be trading in a steady band. And therefore, activity in your oilier basins should be at least flat, if not modestly up throughout the year. But we've got to really focus on the margin degradation that occurs in areas like the Northeast, the Haynesville, the STACK, etcetera. And so our focus has to be around cost management and control, intense conversation with our customers in terms of what activity, if any, they're going to prosecute during this time. Speaker 200:20:10And so, I'm kind of looking at our EBITDA margins for well site in Q4 were 10.4 percent. If I'm looking at the correct numbers, that's a well site. Those are down from kind of mid to high teens throughout the other three quarters of 2023. Now we are looking to have slightly better margins in totality in 2024, but that is really predicated on significant cost control initiatives in the natural gas basins as well as our newer technology, particularly our active seat gate valves, which not only we think leverage our revenue, our kind of market share revenue generating potential, but it also reduces our cost of repairs, our cost of greasing, etcetera. And so overall margins in totality flat to up, but the reality is they just got to come up from where at least for the year 2024 compared to where they were in the 4th quarter, if that is helpful to you. Speaker 200:21:20But November December for our business and for most really fell off for all the factors we're talking about. And it's hard to really get your costs down immediately in that timeframe, but that's an acute focus for us going forward this year. Speaker 500:21:40Got it. Now that's great color there. And then also continuing in Downhole Technologies, has there been any noteworthy change in the competitive landscape as well as pricing like for example, are operators paying more for integrated systems. Is there any kind of color you can provide there? Speaker 200:21:58I think that what we are looking at right now is trying to look internally and say, how is our technology and where is it on the competitive continuum against the landscape that we operate in. And that's why we've invested both R and D money and engineering time in 2023 to bring an upgraded suite of products to the domestic market, which is the technology that I referenced in my call notes. And then in addition to that, most of our international activity has been more P and A oriented, which can be extraordinarily cyclical and lumpy depending on activity. And so we're really working to really get more international steady revenues around the completion side of the business, the shorter guns as well as the charges that go internationally to more stabilize the ongoing cost absorption in our international side of the business. But those are the major focus initiatives that we are entering 2024 with and we do expect to see improvement over 2023 because of the technology introductions. Speaker 200:23:14Now, Q1 is a weak quarter. I'll be the first one to tell you that these natural gas basins are weak right now. And again, those are comments that I also offered you offered to you in my call. But we do think the upgraded technology gets legs and some footing to help us be the most competitive in both the U. S. Speaker 200:23:37Market and the international market. You do mention the landscape, and I would say it's generally stable. No secret that D and C Global is evaluating what to do with the DynaEnergetics business. But I would just say at this point, we don't have clarity around whether it really changes anything in the landscape. So we've got to do what we can control, which is enhance our technology offering to our customer base. Speaker 500:24:04Got it. Thank you. And then also just shifting gears a little bit to OMP. I was curious if you could provide some color on what's on the backlog and how that should kind of flow through to margins in 2024? Speaker 200:24:17Yes. Our margins have been pretty steady. The key for us is the mix in backlog. But as I mentioned, production infrastructure, capital drilling equipment, service revenues, those are really favorable to our margin profile and mix, then it becomes one of just kind of timing and absorption across our facilities. Even though we had a really good 2023, our short cycle piece of the business, which has a little bit of a land focus, obviously suffered some declines late in 2023 and it will be slow to kick off in 2024. Speaker 200:24:59That's really why we've got it in on a consolidated basis that the Q1 will be the weakest quarter for us. Speaker 500:25:08Got it. Thank you. And if I could squeeze one more in, I appreciate for bearing with me here. Just on the when we're thinking about 2024, I know you said there's some variability given the assets held for sale, but just curious if you could provide some details on what you're expecting in terms of just working capital or capital spending and just the free cash flow conversion, I think you said was 40% 2024. And then also Yes. Speaker 200:25:31I'm really thankful. Speaker 500:25:33Yes. Speaker 200:25:34Go ahead, Alec. I'm sorry. I thought you were done. Speaker 500:25:37No, almost. And then I was just around that. I was wondering if you could just comment on the patent defense charges during the Q4 and if that's expected to continue or where that stands? Speaker 200:25:50Perfect. I'll kick off and Lloyd will pick up along the way. I'm really glad you asked the question about kind of free cash flow generation. And I mentioned in the notes, there's quite a lot of variability in our free cash flow because of these facility sales. And I just want to be clear that what we've included in the guidance of roughly $40,000,000 is the Singapore facility sale and the Batam CapEx construction simply because that Singapore facility is currently under contract. Speaker 200:26:27We've not yet included the cash proceeds from the Houston facility sale because we don't know the timing. It's not under contract. We do expect it to sell. So there could be upside to that cash flow. I'm trying to give you the guidance that to some degree would be the floor, I would say, in terms of EBITDA conversion and free cash flow generation. Speaker 200:26:50Now I'm going to ask Lloyd to comment on working capital. But I'll just say, importantly, the shift towards more offshore and international revenue, I. E, growth in that, does carry with it percentage of completion accounting and therefore some increases in average working capital because of project duration. He's got the numbers for you. I'm looking at him right now to offer comments. Speaker 600:27:18Yes. Speaker 300:27:19Alex, so in 2023, we used working capital $21,000,000 with revenues up, we gave guidance on about 5%. Kind of would expect working capital to be fairly consistent with 2023, maybe slightly less. And again, in the Q1 of last year, 2023, we used $26,000,000 of working capital. 1st quarter is typically as Cindy mentioned is typically the heavier use of cash quarter with the next the rest of the year cash flow positive. So forecasting say $15,000,000 to $20,000,000 of working capital in 2024. Speaker 300:28:01In terms of the CapEx, I guess we are kind of forecasting around $40,000,000 that's gross CapEx including the lion's share of the construction costs associated with the Batam facility. As Cindy mentioned, we've got the proceeds of the Singapore facility in our forecast or in our budget and that will offset those the lion's share of the CapEx needs for Patom. And that's how we arrive at roughly the $40,000,000 of free cash flow for the year, again, only including the Singapore facility. Could be if you add in the potential proceeds from the Houston Ship Channel that could be in the $60,000,000 range. Speaker 500:28:46Got it. Got it. It's great color. Thanks for the time and for taking all my questions. I'll turn it back. Speaker 200:28:52Thanks, Alex. Thanks, Alex. Operator00:28:56We have our next question from John Daniel from Daniel Energy Partners. Your line is now open. Speaker 600:29:04Hey, good morning, Cindy and Laura. Thank you for including me. Speaker 200:29:08Hi, John. Speaker 600:29:10First, sort of a big picture, it's a 2 part question and 1 first part is big picture, but just Cindy, your thoughts on U. S. Landscape in light of the E and P consolidation and the impact of the business. And then the second part is just given all of the E and P consolidation, how does that influence your willingness to either invest growth CapEx in the U. S. Speaker 600:29:31Or prosecute domestic M and A? Speaker 200:29:35I think that is a fantastic question, John, not surprised by that. But our focus is to try to stay high technology and I'll say as asset light as we can. And a lot of these new technology rollouts really achieve our objectives as well as the objectives of our customer base. And so focus around active seat valves and automation are keys for us to do both of those things because it's hard to be in the service business and support these large customers without a broad range of equipment, but with that carries high labor cost, high R and M cost and high CapEx. And we tend to not want to do all of that because of the cyclical nature of the business. Speaker 200:30:32And so we are trying to stay niche, I'll call it, in our product and service offerings. We're more likely to deemphasize growth in M and A around this piece of the business, particularly if we view it as a more commoditized market with few barriers to entry, which quite frankly is about all the transactions we have seen heretofore. If there are unique technologies that are more asset light, more manufacturing in support of U. S. Land, yes, we would be interested in looking at those. Speaker 200:31:13Just to date, we haven't seen a lot, if that's helpful. Okay. Speaker 600:31:17That's helpful. And then I just have a labor question, but clearly natural gas basins are weak and that's probably going to result in the OFS space rationalizing costs to try to preserve margin, which generally has an impact on the labor market. But we also all kind of expect those gassy markets to take off in 2025 hopefully as LNG comes online. So just the push and pull of how do you deal with labor in those isolated markets and being ready to ramp? Speaker 200:31:49Yes. No, you're absolutely right. I'll call it labor, but another key area of focus for this business are the associated costs that go with labor, all of your travel, your hotels, your vehicle costs, leasing, gasoline, per diems. And so I obviously prefer to focus on the ancillary cost. If my labor utilization is low, maybe I just let them sit at home. Speaker 200:32:20Don't make them drive to the shop and then when they drive to the shop, they start doing R and M on equipment, so you have a double whammy in a low revenue environment. I do not I really want to focus on labor retention for all the reasons that you talk about. We're really diligently working with our customers because as you know, several of these natural gas plays are thinly supported by customers, I. E. The Northeast. Speaker 200:32:46There just aren't that many big customers working up there. So we really do need to retain a certain amount of work with the ones that we have to support a core labor component. But we are absolutely going to have to look at out of basin labor support in the oilier regions and do what we can. The key question for us right now is, do we have to cut the work week down from historically an average of about 60 hours of work week to lower levels just to sustain our labor through 2024. And that is the acute focus we have right now. Speaker 200:33:29But labor is essential and I think our customers recognize that not a lot matters when prompt month natgas is 161. Right. Speaker 600:33:39Makes sense. Well, thank you for indulging my questions today. Speaker 200:33:43Thanks, John. See you later this week. Speaker 300:33:45Thanks, John. Yes, Operator00:33:59Looks like we don't have any questions as of the moment. I'd now like to hand back over to Cindy for closing remarks. Speaker 200:34:07Thank you so much, Ellie, and thanks to all of you for joining us today and answering good, insightful market oriented questions that we can respond to. Obviously, there as is always the case in this business we love, there's a lot of things going on that affect the commodities at this point in time. But I do think fundamentally supply demand will get back into a healthy balance for natural gas. It's logical anyway. We are in an election year, so I think there's a lot of unexpected things that might hit us such as this permitting pause, if you will, around LNG export facilities and other things. Speaker 200:34:48But maybe I'll just say that ends up making us stronger in the long term in terms of how to run and manage businesses. And so there's always a bright side. I think a lot of you will be at the conference later this week here in town, and we look forward to visiting with you all then. Hope you have a great remainder of the earnings seasons and a nice week. 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Email Address About Oil States InternationalOil States International (NYSE:OIS) is a Houston-based provider of products and services to the global oil and gas industry. Through its well site solutions and flat steel solutions segments, the company supplies critical equipment and consumables used in drilling, completion and production operations. Its well site offerings include a broad range of rental products—such as coiled tubing, frac iron, pressure control equipment and downhole tool rentals—designed to support drilling rigs and well completion crews. In addition to rental and service offerings, Oil States International’s flat steel solutions business manufactures and distributes steel pipeline and flowback products. These include casing and tubing accessories, premium couplings and valves used in onshore and offshore production. The company also produces composite matting and access solutions that enable safe rig and pipeline access over challenging terrain, helping operators mobilize equipment more efficiently and reduce environmental footprint. Oil States International serves a diverse geographic footprint, with operations in North America, Latin America, Europe, the Middle East and Asia-Pacific. The company maintains manufacturing facilities, service centers and rental depots in key oilfield regions to support major exploration and production basins. 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There are 7 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good day, and welcome to Oil States International Incorporated 4th Quarter 2023 Earnings Call. All participants will be able to listen only until the question and answer portion of this call. Please note that today's call is being recorded. That's all I need to go through for now. At this time, I would like to introduce the call to Ellen Pennington. Operator00:00:37You may now proceed, please. Thank you. Speaker 100:00:40Thank you, Ellie. Good morning and welcome to Oil States' 4th quarter 2023 earnings conference call. Our call today will be led by our President and CEO, Cindy Taylor and Lloyd Hajjik, Oil States' Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, we would like to caution listeners regarding forward looking statements. To the extent that our remarks today contain information other than historical information, please note that we are relying on the safe harbor protections afforded by federal law. Speaker 100:01:10No one should assume that these forward looking statements remain valid later in the quarter or beyond. Any such remarks should be weighed in the context of the many factors that affect our business, including those risks disclosed in our Form 10 ks along with other SEC filings. This call is being webcast and can be accessed at Oil States' website. A replay of the conference call will be available 2 hours after the Speaker 200:01:42Good morning and thank you for joining our conference call today where we will discuss our Q4 2023 results and provide our thoughts on market trends in addition to discussing our company specific outlook comments. For the oil and gas industry, 2023 can be summarized as a year in which international and offshore growth strengthened, while North American activity started to moderate. Our 4th quarter results reflect those trends with revenues in our Offshore Manufactured Product segment growing 24% sequentially boosted by a 39% sequential quarter increase in project driven revenues. This significant growth was offset by the impact of declines in U. S. Speaker 200:02:33Land based completion activity due to an approximate 20% decline in the price of crude oil during the quarter with continued weak natural gas prices and holiday impacts. Despite the reduction in U. S. Activity levels during 2023, Oil States reported both positive operating and net income for a 6th consecutive quarter. Our 4th quarter consolidated revenues and adjusted EBITDA increased sequentially by 7% and 2%, respectively, while year over year revenues and adjusted EBITDA grew by 3% 17%. Speaker 200:03:15These sequential and year over year improvements reflect significant growth within our Offshore Manufactured Products segment, where revenues totaled $138,000,000 in the 4th quarter, the segment's highest revenue level in 8 years. Segment backlog totaled $333,000,000 as of December 31, with backlog conversions supporting the 39% sequential quarter increase in project driven revenues. Segment bookings totaled $120,000,000 yielding a quarterly book to bill ratio of 0.9 times and a full year ratio of 1.1 times. 2023 marked the 3rd consecutive year that our book to bill ratio was greater than one time. We remain encouraged by the continued expansion in offshore activity globally, coupled with enhanced competitive positioning in each of our business segments through our recent new technology introductions. Speaker 200:04:20In the Q4, in response to the needs of global drilling contractors to drill more complex wells and unlock previously inaccessible reservoirs more safely, our Offshore Manufactured Products segment delivered what is believed to be the industry's first deepwater slimline managed pressure drilling system and we now have begun to market another industry first MPD ready system for jackup rigs. Subsequent to quarter close, our well site services and downhole technology segments have also launched key new technologies including our active hub digital platform for remote well site monitoring and control along with our active seat gate valve technology and an expanded portfolio of perforating gun systems called EPIC Precision and EPIC Flex. Benefits of our expanded technology offering combined with this international offshore focused investment cycle are expected to extend well beyond the next couple of years. Lloyd will now review our results of operations and financial position in more detail. Speaker 300:05:39Thank you, Cindy, and good morning, everyone. During the Q4, we generated revenues of $208,000,000 operating income of $8,000,000 adjusted consolidated EBITDA of $24,000,000 and net income of $6,000,000 or $0.09 per share. This represents our 6th consecutive quarter of positive net income. Adjusted consolidated EBITDA margin in the 4th quarter was 12% comparable to the prior quarter. Results for the 4th quarter included facility consolidation charges of $800,000 which were incurred as we prepare selected facilities for sale as well as patent defense costs of $600,000 Our Offshore Manufactured Products segment generated revenues of $138,000,000 operating income of $25,000,000 and adjusted segment EBITDA of $30,000,000 in the 4th quarter. Speaker 300:06:36As Cindy mentioned, revenues reported by this segment in the 4th quarter are at the highest level since the Q4 of 2015. Adjusted segment EBITDA margin was 22% in the 4th quarter comparable to the prior quarter. Regarding our facility planning, we consolidated certain facilities in Houston and are in the process of strategically relocating our Asian manufacturing and service operations from Singapore to Batam, Indonesia. These two facilities are classified as held for sale assets at December 31. Proceeds from the sales of our facilities in Singapore and Houston, which are anticipated to close in 2024 are expected to range between $35,000,000 $40,000,000 exceeding the costs associated with our planned investment in our new Batam facility. Speaker 300:07:29Construction in Batam will commence in the Q1 with completion targeted for the first half of twenty twenty five. In the meantime, temporary manufacturing lines have been set up in Batam so that we can efficiently execute both our contracted backlog and subsequent orders during construction. Backlog totaled $333,000,000 at December 31, an increase of 8% from December 31, 2022. The current quarter end backlog is at its 2nd highest level since the Q4 of 2015. In our Well Site Services segment, we generated revenues of $51,000,000 an operating loss of $1,000,000 and adjusted segment EBITDA of $6,000,000 in the 4th quarter. Speaker 300:08:18We also recorded charges of $600,000 associated with the defense and enforcement of certain of our patents. Adjusted segment EBITDA margin was 12% in the 4th quarter compared to 16% in the 3rd quarter reflecting industry activity declines in the quarter. In our Downhole Technology segment, we reported revenues of $19,000,000 an operating loss of $7,000,000 and an adjusted segment EBITDA loss of $3,000,000 for the quarter. Lower revenues and margins in the quarter were driven by the North American activity declines previously discussed. Included in the EBITDA loss was $1,300,000 of inventory reserves. Speaker 300:09:03During the Q4, we generated cash flows from operations of $4,000,000 and invested $6,000,000 in net CapEx to support future growth. As of December 31, no borrowings were outstanding under our revolving credit facility while amounts available to be drawn totaled $76,000,000 This together with cash on hand resulted in available liquidity of $123,000,000 We also extended the maturity date of our revolving credit facility to February 2028. Now Cindy will offer some market outlook and concluding comments. Speaker 200:09:42Thanks, Lloyd. The tight commodity markets of 20 22 led to higher commodity prices and activity levels. However, this took a turn in early 2023 as soft main global demand, higher production and resultant elevated inventories caused oil prices to drop during the Q1 of 2023. Activity declined in U. S. Speaker 200:10:08Land basins during the second half of twenty twenty three with the land rig and completion count down about 20% by the end of the year. WTI and Brent crude oil prices were both down approximately 20% at December 31 compared to the prices in effect at September 30. Global inventories continue to hold within their 5 year seasonal average for crude oil, albeit at the low end, but remain above the 5 year average for natural gas. Given current industry dynamics, we expect U. S. Speaker 200:10:44Land drilling and completion spending in 2024 to remain at or near current levels, but do think we will see increased spending in international and offshore markets. Revenues in our Offshore Manufactured Products segment are expected to continue to grow year over year as a result of strong order flow, increased levels of backlog and execution of major project milestones. We expect our Well Site Services and Downhole Technology segments to continue to perform in line with market activity indicators, which soften for U. S. Land activities beginning in the second half of 2023. Speaker 200:11:28Increased contributions from the commercialization of new technologies that I discussed previously should help us succeed over the longer term in the U. S. Land market. Considering these market conditions, we expect our annual revenues to grow about 5% on a consolidated year over year basis with EBITDA ranging from $90,000,000 to $95,000,000 Given typical seasonality and slow U. S. Speaker 200:11:56Land activity, the Q1 of 2024 is expected to be the weakest quarter of the year. In terms of our estimates for free cash flow generation in 2024, we expect to generate at least $40,000,000 in free cash flow, implying a free cash flow yield of 10% or greater. Our planned facility sales create more cash flow variability than is customary for us. Typically, the Q1 represents a use of cash due to the timing of various payments, including the payout of short and long term incentives with the balance of the year being cash flow positive. In terms of free cash flow conversion, we are targeting a free cash flow to EBITDA conversion rate of approximately 40%. Speaker 200:12:49We remain focused on optimizing our operations and pursuing profitable activity in support of our global customer base. As market opportunities unfold both in the U. S. And in international and offshore markets, we will continue to focus on core areas of expertise with the deployment of our recently enhanced equipment and technologies to further differentiate our product and service offerings. Now I would like to offer some concluding comments. Speaker 200:13:20Initially, the industry responded to higher commodity prices with accelerated shorter cycle investments in the United States, which the industry clearly benefited from in 2022. In 2023, we experienced an increase in investments in long lead time projects in international markets and deepwater basins around the world based upon the longer range outlook for commodity prices. Strong macro fundamentals continue to point to a multiyear upcycle outside the U. S, which should drive growth in revenues, earnings and free cash flow generation from our international and offshore operations. Our core competencies are well entrenched in the competencies are well entrenched in the markets we serve and we continue to bid on potential opportunities supporting our traditional subsea floating and fixed production systems, drilling and military customers, while also bidding to support multiple new customers and projects involved in developments such as deep sea minerals gathering, fixed and floating offshore wind developments, carbon capture and storage, geothermal applications and other renewable and clean tech energy opportunities. Speaker 200:14:35These new energy transition opportunities create strong potential for us to expand our product and service offerings and our revenue base over the longer term. Well States will continue to conduct safe operations and will remain focused on providing technology leadership in our various product and service offerings with value added products and services available to meet customer demands globally. That completes our prepared comments. Ellie, would you open up the call for questions and answers at this time? Operator00:15:11Certainly. We are now opening the question and answer session for today. Our first question comes from Connor Jensen from Raymond James. Your line is now open. Speaker 400:15:37Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my call today. Speaker 200:15:40Hi, Connor. Speaker 400:15:43Yes. So, Q1, the book to bill fell below 1 for the first time in a little bit. How's the kind of some color around bidding activity in the current outlook would be great, maybe contrast that with the past few quarters and if this is something that's going to continue or if you expect that to jump back above 1? Speaker 200:16:05Yes. Thanks for the question, Conor. I think you meant 4th quarter book to bill of 0.9 and the annual was 1.1. I have to point out that quarter by quarter bookings obviously can vary. And importantly, we have one of the strongest revenue quarters in years. Speaker 200:16:24And so bookings at $120,000,000 were actually favorable bookings overall. So you can't necessarily look quarter by quarter. But importantly, I would say what are we looking at for 2024 and I guided to a book to bill north of 1 at this point in time. And as always, we may have some mix shifts in there, whereas we have lower kind of connector products activity really in 2023, we expect some uplift in 2024. Strong production facilities, particularly in Brazil, that may moderate just a bit given timing of projects only. Speaker 200:17:06But importantly, some of our new capital drilling equipment technologies around our MPD systems and our high pressure riser systems will get a lift that we've not seen in several years. And we're pleased to say that our first MPD system has been in the water operating in MPD mode successfully in the Q1. So we're pretty positive about this new piece of our business, that again is brand new technology for us. So while some projects can flatten or moderate, other ones are listening. We also expect to see strong activity on the military order side of our business. Speaker 200:17:48And so that on balance again expect a book to bill north of 1. There can be variations quarter by quarter. There always are. So we tend to look at the annual type book to bill more so than individual quarters because of both order variability as well as revenue generating variability. Speaker 400:18:09Yes. Thank you. That's great context there. And then just following up, you said that you expect military to be strong. Obviously, it ticked up a little bit here. Speaker 400:18:19Do you expect those levels to continue higher or was this kind of a one off? Speaker 200:18:25No. We expect a very strong order book in 2024 as well. Operator00:18:37Our next question comes from Alec from Stifel. Your line is now open. Speaker 500:18:45Hi, good morning everyone and thanks for taking my question. Good morning. So just to kick us off here, I was wondering if you can provide us some color on your expectations for margins in the wellsite and downhole technologies, if activity were to remain steady around current levels in North American land? Yes. Speaker 200:19:03No, I think that's a very good focal point for us. I'm having Lloyd kind of look at the model visavis the margins. But just generally speaking, it's no secret that the natural gas market is under significant pressure right now. And in fact, the March contract for nat gas closed below 2 at $1.61 on Friday. That's the lowest price we've seen in 25 years. Speaker 200:19:31And so, that's the major message for me around land. Crude oil prices seem to be trading in a steady band. And therefore, activity in your oilier basins should be at least flat, if not modestly up throughout the year. But we've got to really focus on the margin degradation that occurs in areas like the Northeast, the Haynesville, the STACK, etcetera. And so our focus has to be around cost management and control, intense conversation with our customers in terms of what activity, if any, they're going to prosecute during this time. Speaker 200:20:10And so, I'm kind of looking at our EBITDA margins for well site in Q4 were 10.4 percent. If I'm looking at the correct numbers, that's a well site. Those are down from kind of mid to high teens throughout the other three quarters of 2023. Now we are looking to have slightly better margins in totality in 2024, but that is really predicated on significant cost control initiatives in the natural gas basins as well as our newer technology, particularly our active seat gate valves, which not only we think leverage our revenue, our kind of market share revenue generating potential, but it also reduces our cost of repairs, our cost of greasing, etcetera. And so overall margins in totality flat to up, but the reality is they just got to come up from where at least for the year 2024 compared to where they were in the 4th quarter, if that is helpful to you. Speaker 200:21:20But November December for our business and for most really fell off for all the factors we're talking about. And it's hard to really get your costs down immediately in that timeframe, but that's an acute focus for us going forward this year. Speaker 500:21:40Got it. Now that's great color there. And then also continuing in Downhole Technologies, has there been any noteworthy change in the competitive landscape as well as pricing like for example, are operators paying more for integrated systems. Is there any kind of color you can provide there? Speaker 200:21:58I think that what we are looking at right now is trying to look internally and say, how is our technology and where is it on the competitive continuum against the landscape that we operate in. And that's why we've invested both R and D money and engineering time in 2023 to bring an upgraded suite of products to the domestic market, which is the technology that I referenced in my call notes. And then in addition to that, most of our international activity has been more P and A oriented, which can be extraordinarily cyclical and lumpy depending on activity. And so we're really working to really get more international steady revenues around the completion side of the business, the shorter guns as well as the charges that go internationally to more stabilize the ongoing cost absorption in our international side of the business. But those are the major focus initiatives that we are entering 2024 with and we do expect to see improvement over 2023 because of the technology introductions. Speaker 200:23:14Now, Q1 is a weak quarter. I'll be the first one to tell you that these natural gas basins are weak right now. And again, those are comments that I also offered you offered to you in my call. But we do think the upgraded technology gets legs and some footing to help us be the most competitive in both the U. S. Speaker 200:23:37Market and the international market. You do mention the landscape, and I would say it's generally stable. No secret that D and C Global is evaluating what to do with the DynaEnergetics business. But I would just say at this point, we don't have clarity around whether it really changes anything in the landscape. So we've got to do what we can control, which is enhance our technology offering to our customer base. Speaker 500:24:04Got it. Thank you. And then also just shifting gears a little bit to OMP. I was curious if you could provide some color on what's on the backlog and how that should kind of flow through to margins in 2024? Speaker 200:24:17Yes. Our margins have been pretty steady. The key for us is the mix in backlog. But as I mentioned, production infrastructure, capital drilling equipment, service revenues, those are really favorable to our margin profile and mix, then it becomes one of just kind of timing and absorption across our facilities. Even though we had a really good 2023, our short cycle piece of the business, which has a little bit of a land focus, obviously suffered some declines late in 2023 and it will be slow to kick off in 2024. Speaker 200:24:59That's really why we've got it in on a consolidated basis that the Q1 will be the weakest quarter for us. Speaker 500:25:08Got it. Thank you. And if I could squeeze one more in, I appreciate for bearing with me here. Just on the when we're thinking about 2024, I know you said there's some variability given the assets held for sale, but just curious if you could provide some details on what you're expecting in terms of just working capital or capital spending and just the free cash flow conversion, I think you said was 40% 2024. And then also Yes. Speaker 200:25:31I'm really thankful. Speaker 500:25:33Yes. Speaker 200:25:34Go ahead, Alec. I'm sorry. I thought you were done. Speaker 500:25:37No, almost. And then I was just around that. I was wondering if you could just comment on the patent defense charges during the Q4 and if that's expected to continue or where that stands? Speaker 200:25:50Perfect. I'll kick off and Lloyd will pick up along the way. I'm really glad you asked the question about kind of free cash flow generation. And I mentioned in the notes, there's quite a lot of variability in our free cash flow because of these facility sales. And I just want to be clear that what we've included in the guidance of roughly $40,000,000 is the Singapore facility sale and the Batam CapEx construction simply because that Singapore facility is currently under contract. Speaker 200:26:27We've not yet included the cash proceeds from the Houston facility sale because we don't know the timing. It's not under contract. We do expect it to sell. So there could be upside to that cash flow. I'm trying to give you the guidance that to some degree would be the floor, I would say, in terms of EBITDA conversion and free cash flow generation. Speaker 200:26:50Now I'm going to ask Lloyd to comment on working capital. But I'll just say, importantly, the shift towards more offshore and international revenue, I. E, growth in that, does carry with it percentage of completion accounting and therefore some increases in average working capital because of project duration. He's got the numbers for you. I'm looking at him right now to offer comments. Speaker 600:27:18Yes. Speaker 300:27:19Alex, so in 2023, we used working capital $21,000,000 with revenues up, we gave guidance on about 5%. Kind of would expect working capital to be fairly consistent with 2023, maybe slightly less. And again, in the Q1 of last year, 2023, we used $26,000,000 of working capital. 1st quarter is typically as Cindy mentioned is typically the heavier use of cash quarter with the next the rest of the year cash flow positive. So forecasting say $15,000,000 to $20,000,000 of working capital in 2024. Speaker 300:28:01In terms of the CapEx, I guess we are kind of forecasting around $40,000,000 that's gross CapEx including the lion's share of the construction costs associated with the Batam facility. As Cindy mentioned, we've got the proceeds of the Singapore facility in our forecast or in our budget and that will offset those the lion's share of the CapEx needs for Patom. And that's how we arrive at roughly the $40,000,000 of free cash flow for the year, again, only including the Singapore facility. Could be if you add in the potential proceeds from the Houston Ship Channel that could be in the $60,000,000 range. Speaker 500:28:46Got it. Got it. It's great color. Thanks for the time and for taking all my questions. I'll turn it back. Speaker 200:28:52Thanks, Alex. Thanks, Alex. Operator00:28:56We have our next question from John Daniel from Daniel Energy Partners. Your line is now open. Speaker 600:29:04Hey, good morning, Cindy and Laura. Thank you for including me. Speaker 200:29:08Hi, John. Speaker 600:29:10First, sort of a big picture, it's a 2 part question and 1 first part is big picture, but just Cindy, your thoughts on U. S. Landscape in light of the E and P consolidation and the impact of the business. And then the second part is just given all of the E and P consolidation, how does that influence your willingness to either invest growth CapEx in the U. S. Speaker 600:29:31Or prosecute domestic M and A? Speaker 200:29:35I think that is a fantastic question, John, not surprised by that. But our focus is to try to stay high technology and I'll say as asset light as we can. And a lot of these new technology rollouts really achieve our objectives as well as the objectives of our customer base. And so focus around active seat valves and automation are keys for us to do both of those things because it's hard to be in the service business and support these large customers without a broad range of equipment, but with that carries high labor cost, high R and M cost and high CapEx. And we tend to not want to do all of that because of the cyclical nature of the business. Speaker 200:30:32And so we are trying to stay niche, I'll call it, in our product and service offerings. We're more likely to deemphasize growth in M and A around this piece of the business, particularly if we view it as a more commoditized market with few barriers to entry, which quite frankly is about all the transactions we have seen heretofore. If there are unique technologies that are more asset light, more manufacturing in support of U. S. Land, yes, we would be interested in looking at those. Speaker 200:31:13Just to date, we haven't seen a lot, if that's helpful. Okay. Speaker 600:31:17That's helpful. And then I just have a labor question, but clearly natural gas basins are weak and that's probably going to result in the OFS space rationalizing costs to try to preserve margin, which generally has an impact on the labor market. But we also all kind of expect those gassy markets to take off in 2025 hopefully as LNG comes online. So just the push and pull of how do you deal with labor in those isolated markets and being ready to ramp? Speaker 200:31:49Yes. No, you're absolutely right. I'll call it labor, but another key area of focus for this business are the associated costs that go with labor, all of your travel, your hotels, your vehicle costs, leasing, gasoline, per diems. And so I obviously prefer to focus on the ancillary cost. If my labor utilization is low, maybe I just let them sit at home. Speaker 200:32:20Don't make them drive to the shop and then when they drive to the shop, they start doing R and M on equipment, so you have a double whammy in a low revenue environment. I do not I really want to focus on labor retention for all the reasons that you talk about. We're really diligently working with our customers because as you know, several of these natural gas plays are thinly supported by customers, I. E. The Northeast. Speaker 200:32:46There just aren't that many big customers working up there. So we really do need to retain a certain amount of work with the ones that we have to support a core labor component. But we are absolutely going to have to look at out of basin labor support in the oilier regions and do what we can. The key question for us right now is, do we have to cut the work week down from historically an average of about 60 hours of work week to lower levels just to sustain our labor through 2024. And that is the acute focus we have right now. Speaker 200:33:29But labor is essential and I think our customers recognize that not a lot matters when prompt month natgas is 161. Right. Speaker 600:33:39Makes sense. Well, thank you for indulging my questions today. Speaker 200:33:43Thanks, John. See you later this week. Speaker 300:33:45Thanks, John. Yes, Operator00:33:59Looks like we don't have any questions as of the moment. I'd now like to hand back over to Cindy for closing remarks. Speaker 200:34:07Thank you so much, Ellie, and thanks to all of you for joining us today and answering good, insightful market oriented questions that we can respond to. Obviously, there as is always the case in this business we love, there's a lot of things going on that affect the commodities at this point in time. But I do think fundamentally supply demand will get back into a healthy balance for natural gas. It's logical anyway. We are in an election year, so I think there's a lot of unexpected things that might hit us such as this permitting pause, if you will, around LNG export facilities and other things. Speaker 200:34:48But maybe I'll just say that ends up making us stronger in the long term in terms of how to run and manage businesses. And so there's always a bright side. I think a lot of you will be at the conference later this week here in town, and we look forward to visiting with you all then. Hope you have a great remainder of the earnings seasons and a nice week. Thanks so much. Operator00:35:14Thank you for attending today's call. You may now all disconnect.Read morePowered by