Builders FirstSource Q4 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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February 22, 2024

There are 12 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good day, and welcome to the Builders FirstSource 4th Quarter 2023 and Full Year Earnings Conference Call. Today's call is scheduled to last about 1 hour, including remarks by management and the question and answer session. I'd now like to turn the call over to Heather Coss, Senior Vice President, Investor Relations for Builders FirstSource. Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Good morning, and welcome to our Q4 and full year 2023 earnings call. With me on the call are Dave Rush, our CEO and Peter Jackson, our CFO. The earnings press release and investor presentation are available on our website at investors. Builder.com. We will refer to the investor presentation during our call.

Speaker 1

The results discussed today include GAAP and non GAAP results adjusted for certain items. We provide these non GAAP results for informational purposes and they should not be considered in isolation from the most directly comparable GAAP measures. You can find the reconciliation of these non GAAP measures to the corresponding GAAP measures where applicable and a discussion of why we believe they can be useful to investors in our earnings press release, SEC filings and presentation. Our remarks in the press release, presentation and on this call contain forward looking and cautionary statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act and projections of our future results. Please refer to the forward looking statements section in today's press release and in our SEC filings for various factors that could cause our actual results to differ materially from forward looking statements and projections.

Speaker 1

With that, I'll turn the call over to Dave.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Heather. Good morning, everyone, and thanks for joining our call. I'm proud of our full year results, which demonstrate the strength of our broad product portfolio and continued execution by our team members. Despite a challenging operating environment in 2023, which saw significant reduction in single family starts, we delivered resilient results. As promised, we delivered a double digit EBITDA margin in the high teens along with robust free cash flow.

Speaker 2

We accomplished this through operational rigor and by closely partnering with our customers to help address their pain points through the use of our value added solutions. Our results in 2023 further validate our strategy to be the easiest to do business with across the industry. I also want to thank everyone who participated both in person and virtually at our Investor Day in December, where we laid out the next leg of our growth journey. We're grateful for your ongoing support. As we begin 2024, we are excited about the opportunities in front of us.

Speaker 2

We remain focused on profitable growth by leading with our value added solutions, deploying our digital platform and expanding in desirable markets through our proven M and A strategy. These initiatives, along with our commitment to efficient operations and disciplined capital deployment, will continue to compound long term shareholder value. Our investments in value added and digital solutions are driving clear market differentiation, delivering greater efficiency and empowering the next generation of homebuilding. By leveraging our scale and value added products, we are able to help meet our customers' needs such as reducing cycle times, addressing labor constraints and improving home construction quality. As a proof point of our execution, I'm pleased that our service levels for on time and in full have continued to improve year over year.

Speaker 2

Our on time delivery was 90% in 2023, while our in full performance was 96%. With our investments in technology and automation, we'll keep working to drive these metrics higher. We remain committed to operational excellence and innovation to increase efficiency and create value. We have a robust set of operational and productivity initiatives and are focused on leveraging our scale and fixed costs while delivering the highest quality products to our customers. Our continuous improvement mindset employs technology, including our digital solutions and automation to improve the construction process and drive greater discipline in our operations.

Speaker 2

As an important pillar of our strategy, we are focused on maintaining a fortress balance sheet. Our strong free cash flow provides financial flexibility and multiple high returning paths for capital deployment, enabling our clear set of priorities. We continued our robust buyback program in 2023, repurchasing nearly $1,800,000,000 of shares. I'm happy to announce that yesterday, our Board increased our share repurchase authorization to a total of $1,000,000,000 We remain disciplined in our approach to tuck in acquisitions and still have a long runway of targets in a fragmented market. Our focus areas for M and A include increasing our market position in desirable geographies, extending our lead in value added and specialty solutions and enhancing customer stickiness.

Speaker 2

Let's turn to our full year highlights on Slide 4. We delivered strong margins in 20 20 3, including a robust 17% adjusted EBITDA margin that underscores our differentiated product portfolio and scale. Our resilient gross margin of more than 35% reflects stronger mix and value added products, notably in our multifamily business and improved manufacturing efficiencies. As we have communicated, we continue to see some normalization in core margins. We are also seeing multifamily normalized and expect it to continue over the course of this year.

Speaker 2

Looking at Slide 5, I want to highlight the over 30% improvement in our recordable incident rate in 2023, which is a remarkable achievement. At BFS, the safety of our team members is always our highest priority, and I'm proud of the culture we have created to be a safer company every day. I'm also excited to see the structural improvements we are making to remove excess cost and operate more efficiently. Our strong productivity savings of $175,000,000 for 2023 reflect the hard work we are doing on targeted initiatives, and we expect another $100,000,000 of productivity savings in 2024. Also remains a key focus area.

Speaker 2

This includes the ongoing optimization of our footprint and balancing the need for cost reductions against future capacity demands. We remain disciplined stewards of discretionary spending and our team has responsibly managed cost in the short term while executing our strategy for the long term. As expected, we had a strong year in multifamily as prior year acquisitions were supercharged by a strong market. Multifamily remained a tailwind in Q4 as we work through record backlogs. For single family, lower mortgage rates and low existing home inventories have helped us steady activity levels.

Speaker 2

National builder customers have done a good job of utilizing specs in conjunction with interest rate buy downs to provide homebuyers with affordable options to purchase new homes. Our focus this year is on being the best partner to our customers by providing the highest quality customer service, driving our robust value added solutions and launching our BFS digital tools to make the building process faster, more efficient and more affordable. Turning to M and A on Slide 6. We continue to target attractive opportunities while remaining financially disciplined. In 2023, we completed 7 deals with aggregate 2022 sales of roughly $540,000,000 Early in the Q4, we acquired Standale Lumber, which gives us a strong presence in the growing Grand Rapids, Michigan market.

Speaker 2

Then in December, we acquired Encore Building Products, a leading building materials distributor that represents our entry into the Arkansas market and will serve as our platform for future growth in the state. And in early February, we acquired Quality Door and Millwork, a leading distributor of millwork, doors and windows in Southern Idaho. We're excited to welcome these talented new team members to the BFS family. We also show how our M and A and organic investments increased value added products as a percent of our overall mix by 700 basis points over the past 2 years. Our success with this strategy has been a core component of our improved margin profile throughout the cycle.

Speaker 2

On Slide 7, we provide an update on capital allocation. During the Q4, we made 2 tuck in acquisitions and repurchased over $200,000,000 of shares while maintaining the strong balance sheet. And for all of 2023, we prudently deployed approximately $2,500,000,000 in line with our stated priorities. We have cumulatively deployed approximately $6,100,000,000 from 20 22 through 2023 and we communicated a new goal at our Investor Day this past December to deploy $5,500,000,000 to $8,500,000,000 of capital from 2024 to 2026. Now let's turn to Slides 89 for an update on our digital strategy.

Speaker 2

We are establishing a differentiated position as the only provider of an end to end digital platform in our space. Combined with our leading operating model and strong relationships, we believe BFS digital tools will be a substantial driver of growth for us and transformative for the industry. Our easy to use mybldr.com portal will seamlessly deliver our full digital capabilities to our customers. It is designed to create efficiencies for our team members and improve service for our customers by offering increased transparency and engagement in the homebuilding process. Combined with our proprietary estimating and configuration tools, our customers will have more control over the entire building process.

Speaker 2

This will save both time and money for both our customers and their clients, while making the home building process more personalized. We are excited to showcase the full digital product capabilities at the International Builders Show next week. To drive the adoption of these innovative solutions, we have focused on training our sales and operations teams to help our customers leverage these powerful new tools. We are confident in our ability to deliver value from our digital solutions and meet our target of $200,000,000 of incremental digital revenue by the end of this year and $1,000,000,000 by 2026 as we grow wallet share and win new customers. Throughout the year, we acknowledge team members that go above and beyond.

Speaker 2

Rich Rapuzzi, Market Manager in our Alaska market, embodies these values like Middlewater. I had the pleasure of spending time with Rich recently and witnessed the positive impact he has made on his team during his remarkable 50 year career at BFS and Legacy Companies. Rich's journey started as a customer service rep in 1974 and is rooted in hands on experience and continuous learning. Through his career, Rich established vital departments and assumed multiple leadership roles. What truly sets Rich apart is his passion for his community and mentoring others.

Speaker 2

His colleagues will tell you that he deeply cares about helping people reach their potential. As Rich prepares for retirement later this year, his impact will endure through the lives he has touched. While he'll be greatly missed, his legacy will resonate within our organization for years to come. I'll now turn the call over to Peter to discuss our financial results in greater detail.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Dave, and good morning, everyone. Our results throughout the year demonstrate the effectiveness of our operating model regardless of the macro environment. Our fortress balance sheet, strong cash flow generation and ability to prudently deploy capital to the highest return opportunities, including acquisitions and share repurchases continues to deliver value and positions us for long term success. We are leveraging our sustainable competitive advantages and strong financial position to drive future growth and create value for our shareholders. I will cover 3 topics with you this morning.

Speaker 3

1st, I'll recap our Q4 and full year results. 2nd, I'll provide an update on capital deployment. And finally, I'll discuss our full year 2024 guidance and related assumptions. Let's begin by reviewing our Q4 performance on slides 1011. We delivered $4,200,000,000 in net sales driven by a 1% decline in core organic sales and commodity deflation of 5%, partially offset by growth from acquisitions of roughly 2%.

Speaker 3

Core organic sales were driven by a single family decline of 4% amid a weak housing market and share and supply chain normalization. That said, there are signs that the single family market is starting to pick up. Our early cycle products are beginning to show growth including high single digits growth in lumber and mid single digits growth in trust. Multifamily grew by more than 4% driven by our prior year acquisitions as well as favorable margins. R and R and other also grew by over 4% due to increased sales focus and capacity versus 2022.

Speaker 3

Importantly, value added products represented 52% of our net sales during the Q4, reflecting our position as the supplier of choice for these higher margin products. During the Q4, gross profit was $1,500,000,000 a decrease of approximately 1% compared to the prior year period. Gross margins were 35.3%, increasing 120 basis points, mainly due to productivity and a tailwind from multifamily, partially offset by core organic margin normalization. SG and A increased by $16,000,000 to $974,000,000 mainly due to higher variable compensation, acquired operations and inflation, partially offset by lower customer reserve expenses. As a percentage of net sales, total SG and A increased 150 basis points to 23.5%, primarily attributable to decreased fixed cost leverage from lower sales.

Speaker 3

Adjusted EBITDA was $686,000,000 down approximately 2%, primarily driven by lower net sales due to a weak housing market and commodity deflation. Adjusted EBITDA margin was 16.5%, up 50 basis points from the prior year as we continue to execute and drive improved productivity across the business. Adjusted net income of $439,000,000 was down $32,000,000 from the prior year due to lower net sales. Adjusted earnings per diluted share was $3.55 an increase of 11% compared to the prior year. On a year over year basis, share repurchases added roughly $0.55 per share for the Q4.

Speaker 3

Now let's turn to our cash flow, balance sheet and liquidity on Slide 12. Our 2023 operating cash flow was approximately $2,300,000,000 down $1,300,000,000 compared to the prior year period, mainly attributable to commodity deflation and a shrinking housing market. Capital expenditures for the year were $430,000,000 All in, we delivered healthy free cash flow of approximately $1,900,000,000 For the year, our free cash flow yield was approximately 13%, while operating cash flow return on invested capital was 28%. Our net debt to adjusted EBITDA ratio was approximately 1.1 times while base business leverage was 1.4 times. Excluding our ABL, we have no long term debt maturities until 2,030.

Speaker 3

At quarter end, our total liquidity was approximately $1,300,000,000 consisting of $1,270,000,000 in net borrowing availability under the revolving credit facility and $70,000,000 of cash on hand. Moving to capital deployment. During the Q4, we repurchased approximately 1,600,000 shares for $209,000,000 at an average stock price of $131.74 per share. For the full year of 2023, we repurchased nearly $1,800,000,000 of shares at an average price of $100.49 per share. As Dave mentioned, the Board approved the repurchase of up to $1,000,000,000 of common stock inclusive of the approximately $200,000,000 remaining on the prior share repurchase plan authorized in April of 2023.

Speaker 3

We remain disciplined stewards of capital and have multiple paths for value creation through a proven ability to deploy capital and deliver high returns. Now let's turn to our outlook on Slide 13. For full year 2024, we expect total company net sales to be $17,500,000,000 to $18,500,000,000 We expect adjusted EBITDA to be $2,400,000,000 to $2,800,000,000 Adjusted EBITDA margin is forecasted to be 14% to 15% and we are guiding gross margins

Speaker 4

to a

Speaker 3

range of 30% to 33%. Our recent above normal margins reflect a greater mix of value added products along with the disciplined pricing required to offset increased operating costs. As we move through the year, we expect both our gross margins and the multifamily business to continue to normalize. We expect full year 2024 free cash flow of $1,000,000,000 to $1,200,000,000 The change from 2023 is primarily due to an expected $500,000,000 year over year decrease due to working capital as we move from shrinking to growing sales. The free cash flow forecast assumes average commodity prices in the range of $400 to 4 $40 per 1,000 board foot.

Speaker 3

Our 2024 outlook is based on several assumptions. Please refer to our earnings release on Slide 14 of the investor presentation for a list of these key assumptions. As you all know, we do not typically give quarterly guidance, but we wanted to provide directional color for Q1. On a year over year basis, we expect Q1 net sales to be flat to down low single digits as we have lost roughly 2 days of sales due to inclement weather conditions at the start of the year. Year over year adjusted EBITDA is expected to be down high teens to low 20s in Q1 given the impact of extreme weather and continued margin and share normalization.

Speaker 3

We expect our sales to rebound as the severe weather conditions subside. Regardless, we remain optimistic for a healthy housing market in 2024. Turning to Slides 1516. As a reminder, our base business approach showcases the underlying strength and profitability of our company by normalizing sales and margins for commodity volatility. This helps to clearly assess the core aspects of the business where we have focused our attention to drive sustainable outperformance.

Speaker 3

Our base business guide on net sales for 2024 is approximately $17,600,000,000 Our base business adjusted EBITDA guide is approximately $2,400,000,000 at a margin of 13.5%. As I wrap up, I want to reiterate that we are confident in the near term outlook, our exceptional positioning to execute our strategic goals and our ability to create shareholder value in any environment to support profitable growth. With that, let me turn the call back over to Dave for some final thoughts.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Peter. Let me close by saying that we're focused on executing our strategic pillars. This focus, along with our close partnership with our customers to address their pain points, is a competitive differentiator in our industry. We are the unquestioned leader in value added solutions, which we believe are the most effective way to address labor and cycle time challenges. Our industry leading digital innovations are bringing greater efficiency to homebuilding and will win us new customers and grow wallet share along the way.

Speaker 2

Our robust free cash flow generation is funding a disciplined capital deployment strategy that will compound long term shareholder value. While 2023 was an exciting year, we are just getting started. Thank you again for joining us today. Operator, let's please open the call now for questions.

Operator

Thank We'll go first to Matthew Bouley with Barclays.

Speaker 5

Good morning, Dave, Peter. Thanks for taking the questions. So to start off with on the gross margin, of course, exiting 23% over 35%. I hear you. There is still some multifamily normalizing to come, but it looks like you're guiding to volume growth, of course, in your single family business this year.

Speaker 5

And I assume there's some operating leverage there in your manufacturing. I think I heard Dave say that there's another $100,000,000 in productivity this year. And I don't know if you're assuming value add mix would continue to rise and that's on top of everything you've done around automation and consolidating the industry and so forth in recent years. So my point is, it seems like you've got a lot of tailwinds this year. I guess, where am I being too optimistic?

Speaker 5

And what's kind of the cadence timing of gross margins normalizing that back to below 33%? Thank you.

Speaker 3

Yes. Thanks, Matt. Your points are all accurate. I think that we've done a really nice job in the value add sector. I think we've managed pricing in a disciplined way.

Speaker 3

We certainly have done a good job on productivity and continuing to execute in that category and certainly a portion of that hits gross margins, not all of it. What I think is continuing to happen and I know this is a consistent theme from us, but we want to continue to be candid with investors. There is a normalization that we're seeing in the core and there's a normalization or maybe a recognition of a cycle in multifamily. Those are the 2 really big components driving the ongoing normalization that we expect in 2024. So multifamily, as we look at it, certainly a dynamic market, but there has been a pullback, right?

Speaker 3

A lot of multifamily units were put in the ground over the last few years. The backlog has been very full, very healthy and we've done very, very well. There are clear signals both in the broader market and in our numbers that multifamily is normalizing. It's pulling back and it's going to pull back pretty aggressively. We expect we'll start seeing that in sort of Q1 based on the latest information and it will hit us all year.

Speaker 3

So certainly multifamily is a good business, but there's a headwind there associated with that business shrinking. And we continue to see in pockets around the country, the normalization of margins in a competitive environment, right? We're well below what we would consider to be normal starts, normal single family starts in this industry. So it's competitive out there and there are certain markets where we've had to get aggressive and we'll continue to do that to protect our position and to win in the market and to be the customer of choice. We don't think it's putting us outside of that communicated range for gross margin, but certainly expect that to continue to erode as the year progresses.

Speaker 5

Okay. That's clear. Thanks for that, Peter. Second one, I guess sticking with the guidance, I think your end market growth kind of blends to maybe very low single digits. And you're speaking to base business growth of, I think, 7% this year.

Speaker 5

And I know there's a couple of extra selling days in the second half. But my question is on your growth compared to the market. Sounds like you should start to get some of the digital sales to kick in later this year. But just could you kind of bridge us from where the market is expected this year to your sort of several 100 basis points of market outgrowth? And obviously, of course, how does the value add growth kind of play into that?

Speaker 5

Thank you.

Speaker 3

Yes. Thanks, Matt. You're right. We are anticipating a fairly modest market tailwind this year, which obviously is appreciated and we'll put to good use. But we are challenging ourselves as an organization in a couple of key areas.

Speaker 3

A big one that we talk a lot about is digital. We're really excited about what this product is going to do for us in terms of attracting and enhancing our relationships with customers. We think there's real value there. So we're putting that in our number. We also are continuing to invest as you've seen in value add.

Speaker 3

So we've got new capacity in the ground, we've got new equipment, we've got new ability this year that we didn't have last year to provide those types of high value impactful products to our customers. So we expect growth from that. And we're certainly confident in our team. We've got we need to be the best team in the industry and we think we can win in the market. So those three things really kind of combine to give us the confidence to put out a number there that really represents share growth ultimately.

Speaker 2

Yes. I would just add, Matt, that conversations with customers are almost uniformly optimistic for the year. There are differences and when they believe that timing of that rebound will start and that's all obviously driven by the macro environment to a degree. And the digital ad that we'll experience during the year will be more like a hockey stick. It will be weighted to the back half of the year as we continue to drive adoption and training throughout the organization and with our customers.

Speaker 2

But we're excited about the year as a whole. It's a little more difficult to pinpoint the exact point in time when we start seeing it in real time. But the long term demand still is very, very encouraging.

Speaker 5

Got it. Well, thank you, Dave. Thanks, Peter. See you guys next week.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Matt. Travel safe.

Operator

We'll turn now to Mike Dahl with RBC Capital.

Speaker 6

Good morning. Thanks for taking my question.

Speaker 3

Good morning, Mike.

Speaker 7

Just a question on free cash flow. Appreciate your articulation of kind of some of those timing differences and the swings in working cap. And so I think as we move beyond 2024, because this represents kind of a lower than normal conversion rate for you. So can you just talk to the is it kind of timing through the year that's of how working cap has to ramp as growth ramps? And then once we get to 25, you still expect to get back to a higher, more normal conversion rate or any other moving pieces there, I think would be helpful.

Speaker 3

Yes, absolutely. So you're right, Mike. This is a light year for us. The way that the numbers show, the comp looked obviously pretty dramatic on a year over year basis. We're down a little bit on the EBITDA number due to that multifamily step down.

Speaker 3

But the change going from a business that's shrinking and as you know, we spin off a tremendous amount of cash as the business shrinks to turn to an increasing sales environment. And we use working capital when we grow. That sort of turn for us showed large in the numbers. But that headwind that we would expect to see related to growth is generally going to be a little bit smaller in a normal growth year than in a turn year. The turn year is always a big number when it goes from 1 to the other.

Speaker 3

So, we do anticipate it to be a little bit higher in a normal year. And as we laid out in our Investor Day, there is a cumulative benefit that we expect to deliver on and that commitment hasn't changed. Okay. Good to hear. Thank you.

Operator

We'll turn now to Joe Ahlertheimer with Deutsche Bank.

Speaker 8

Hey, good morning guys. Congrats on the results.

Speaker 3

Good morning, Joe. Thanks, Joe.

Speaker 8

So is it right to think that if we've got the headwind from weather in 1Q, we're going to be probably pushing those sales more in 2Q? I'm just trying to think about the phasing of sales for the remainder of the year.

Speaker 2

I think that's a fair assessment, Joe. Typically, what we see is it's not an immediate snapback, but a gradual snapback in the future quarters as they catch up. They don't catch up all at once, but at the end of the day, we actually do feel like what we lost in the Q1 due to weather will ultimately pick up in the back three quarters of the year.

Speaker 8

Okay, got it. Thanks for that. And then looking at your guidance for the all in business and the base business, is it right to think about the commodity element of this as a full normalization of the multifamily? Are we getting sort of all of both the commodity normalization and market normalization in these 24 numbers? And then maybe if you could just talk about going forward, the opportunity within multifamily kind of between the 5 and below units versus the much larger projects?

Speaker 8

Thanks.

Speaker 3

Yes, that's right, Joe. The base business reconciliation or those two components you mentioned is the last of the multifamily and the last of a little bit of the core. Not much left, which is nice, but that's certainly a piece of it.

Speaker 2

And I would tell you, you're exactly right. Our sales teams that have focused on the larger projects, partly because their customers are also looking for opportunities in the smaller projects that still qualify technically as multifamily or light commercial. We're all focused on those opportunities and those will help us bridge that headwind a little easier for the rest of the year. But it still takes a little bit of time for those projects to get out of the ground and the timing of that makes it a little difficult, but we're definitely focused on that opportunity.

Speaker 8

Thanks a lot. Good luck, guys.

Operator

We'll turn now to Trey Grooms with Stephens.

Speaker 6

Hey, good morning, Dave and Peter. Peter, you mentioned that there's you're seeing some evidence of residential starting to turn around. And I think you noted seeing high single digit growth in lumber and low single digit growth in truss. I guess, what's the timing you're referring to there? Is that since January or just some color on the time frame there?

Speaker 6

And then secondly, is there any reason why truss would be trending slower than lumber? I mean, I didn't know if there would be anything going there on there from a mix standpoint or something. I would just assume value add would at least stay in pace with lumber or maybe outpace, just any color there.

Speaker 3

Yes. No, thanks for the question, Trey. So the timeframe we're talking about was 4Q. So it was a 4th quarter dynamic. I think the storyline here and we've talked about it a bit in the past, but for those maybe who haven't heard it, what we sell goes into a start at a wide range of timelines, right?

Speaker 3

So lumber is generally very, very early. It's not unusual to frame the 1st floor and then have maybe the trusses delivered. There is a very close correlation between framing and trust. No argument there. I think that in general, it's indicative of the beginning of the turn.

Speaker 3

What's also true is, some of the later products you go through windows and you got out to doors and trim, that's later in the build process. And those are the products that you noticed we didn't talk about as being a deterrent and in good position. It's very reflective of last year. At the end of 2022, you saw lumber and truss go down really hard. Lumber down a lot more than truss.

Speaker 3

So on a comparison basis, that's part of the answer as well that lumber was down aggressively if you go back to these numbers for the Q4 of last year. So on a comp basis, it's up a little bit more, but really because it was down a little bit.

Speaker 2

Yes. I mean lumber and truss go hand in hand together, but value added is more than truss. I think that's the thing you got to keep in mind. So value added is later in the process. Yes, got it.

Speaker 2

Thanks for

Speaker 6

clearing that up. Good luck. Thank

Speaker 3

you. Thanks, Troy.

Operator

We'll turn now to Rafe Jadrosich with Bank of America.

Speaker 9

Hey, good morning. It's Rafe. Thanks for taking my question. Last quarter, you provided a scenario framework for 2024 on different macro assumptions and then what that would mean for your earnings. Are you should we still sort of be comfortable with that?

Speaker 9

So it starts tracking that 8% to 14% range on the single family side and lumber is at 425 to 475, would you still be looking for 2.7 $1,000,000,000 in EBITDA? Or has something else changed in the market where we should be thinking about upside or downside to those scenarios?

Speaker 3

I think it's fair to say that directionally those scenarios are still indicative of how we think of the business. There haven't been any structural changes in any of the variables. It's always subjective to a degree because the ending point for 2023 was a little bit different. But

Speaker 5

generally, yes,

Speaker 3

no, I think that's a fair way to look at it.

Speaker 9

Okay. That's really helpful. And then, just as you look at the gross margin guidance for this year, the 30% to 33%, it's sort of in line with your long term target despite single family starts that are tracking below the long term assumptions of $1,100,000 As we look forward here, if you have years where the starts are below that target, do you think you'll be able to do gross margin above 30% or is there something unique to 24% that's keeping it higher? Is that just because you still have some multifamily that's flowing through?

Speaker 3

Yes. It's a really good question. I think confidence our confidence this year comes from that normalization component. We still have some above what we consider to be normal margins in multifamily and in a couple of product categories in a few pockets around the country. We're continuing to see that normalization.

Speaker 3

We're continuing to see some of that compete back to what we consider to be a likely normal. That said, obviously very good. It's very strong and we're feeling very confident about our ability to manage it in the long term. At this stage, I think it's hard to say that it's an exact point of starts that correlates to an exact point in gross margins. I think we're most comfortable talking about it in sort of ranges around normal, feels like a range around margins.

Speaker 3

But right now, a lot of confidence that we can hold in that normal range based on everything we're seeing.

Speaker 2

Yes. And what I would add is our belief in the resilience of that range and the fact that we can hold in that range is our belief in our value added product portfolio and solutions. Those are the products that are more valuable to our customers and as a result more have better margin opportunity for us. And as we continue to grow that as a percentage of our overall sales, it's always going to help that gross margin number be more resilient.

Speaker 9

Thank you. Very helpful.

Operator

We'll turn now to Keith Hughes with Troost.

Speaker 3

Camry, I don't think your projection here is out of line with what's thought in the market. Just specific to Builders FirstSource,

Speaker 6

when do you think this

Speaker 3

is going to really start impacting your business? And if you talk about the unit loss versus margin loss that's been such a positive for 2023, that'd be helpful. Yes. I mean timing is a tough thing to predict as you know, Keith. I think based on what we're seeing in here in, the market is healthy.

Speaker 3

We've certainly seen some positive signs early in the year. It would be nice if the Fed helped, can't lie based on everything kind of out there in the public markets, it feels like a second half dynamic. When we call out the numbers around core organic, there's certainly a big component of it. It's primarily pricevolume mix driven, like we give you the days, we give you the commodities. In the pricevolume mix space that normalization talking about in margins is certainly an important part, a driver turning and starting to accelerate again.

Speaker 3

And that's our expectation and that's what we're starting to see. So there's certainly a lot of optimism, I would say, at this point. It really becomes a question of timing.

Speaker 4

Okay. All right. Thank you.

Operator

We'll turn now to Collin Varone with Jefferies.

Speaker 10

Hi, good morning. Thank you for taking my question. I just want to dive into the multifamily a little bit more in your assumption around that 20% to 30% decline in multifamily starts. I guess any help in thinking about your sales performance versus that starts decline for the full year, just given the backlog of projects that are still under construction according to Census Bureau data and maybe the lag that you would normally see from a start to your sales? And then I guess second on that, you just help us thinking about the cadence of the multifamily starts maybe on a quarterly basis throughout the year to kind of get to that sales performance?

Speaker 4

Yes. I mean, I

Speaker 3

would say, if you're thinking about our multifamily business, you do have to go back in the rearview mirror a bit, right? And the turn around what we build and that's just the problem in terms of everybody being able to use the sort of publicly available information. It's a little bit more specific both to markets and what we're building. However, I think what we're seeing right now is that the expected downturn throughout 2024,

Speaker 6

Kind of

Speaker 3

thought it might hit late in 2023, didn't. I think people were pretty aggressive at trying to get the multifamily projects completed. So we actually saw a nice pull through a little better than we thought of that business in the Q4, but definitely seeing it turn down starting in Q1. In every quarter during the year, you'll see for the multifamily business, meaningful declines in both sales and margins as the year progresses. Still a really good business.

Speaker 3

It's just not sort of performing at those 2 standard deviations above normal levels anymore.

Speaker 2

I would just add, remember, it's only 13% of our overall business. The other thing I would add is we were at the Harvard Housing Conference and there were multifamily players there. And it's a cost of capital challenge in addition to all of the multifamily that had been constructed over the last 12 to 18 months is coming to market all at the same time. So there's a little bit of a digestion of that in addition to solving the capital cost equation. But again, just like in single family, the long term outlook for multifamily is very positive when you look at the demand curve and what people need housing and what multifamily satisfies for that population.

Speaker 2

So long term, we're still very positive on the business and we do know we'll have to manage through some of the cost take the capital challenges that are there today, but again, 13% of our business.

Speaker 10

Great. That's really helpful color. And then I just wanted to touch on productivity, which continues to be a pretty meaningful tailwind for you guys. Can you just talk about the projects you're looking to benefit from in 2024 and maybe the size of the project pipeline beyond 2024?

Speaker 2

Yes. The productivity initiatives are in 2 kind of camps. 1 is how can we improve our productivity through automation and technology and then how can we do it through best practices. The benefit of our scale, our 5 70 plus locations is the ability to take a best practice across the enterprise and get little chunks of productivity in every single location. So, it falls in those two camps.

Speaker 2

A lot of the automation and technology is around improving customer service, improving truck turnaround times, also in the manufacturing environment, using automation to get more throughput per labor hour. But that would outline the things we're working on for 2020.

Speaker 10

Great. Thank you for the color and good luck.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

We'll go next to Adam Baumgarten with Zelman.

Speaker 5

Hey, good morning. If we look at

Speaker 6

the market for manufactured products like truss, are you seeing

Speaker 5

your competitors ramp up capacity as well?

Speaker 3

Sure, a little. But I mean scale wise, we're 5, 10, 20x their size. So if they're adding 1 or 2 plants in certain markets, we know how to deal with it.

Speaker 2

I would tell you the other differentiation we have is not just adding locations. It's actually improving the throughput of the locations we already own. We've invested over $100,000,000 in existing plants. Over 65 percent of our tables have some level of automation. Every plant has some level of automation.

Speaker 2

So there's a lot of different ways we can extend our lead without building physical plant to do so and we're focused on that as well.

Speaker 5

Okay, got it. And then just thinking about the M and A environment, are you

Speaker 6

seeing more willingness by acquisition targets to sell at

Speaker 5

this point given the improved outlook?

Speaker 4

Yes, it's gotten a

Speaker 3

little better. I think one of the things that was holding back the M and A environment, which is uncertainty around the direction of the market and people not knowing where the bottom was and not having sort of kind of evaluation to step off of and that creates disagreements between buyers and sellers. I think that's calmed down a bit. So we're a little bit more optimistic for this year, but deals are unique. Each one's a unicorn.

Speaker 2

I would say the one thing that's also improved, the farther away we've gotten to the unusual commodity impact on numbers, people are now more easily or readily accepting of a base business kind of valuation for their for what they have going forward and that makes the conversations easier.

Speaker 5

Got it. Good to hear. Best of luck guys.

Speaker 3

Thank you.

Operator

We'll go now to Ketan Mamtora with BMO Capital Markets.

Speaker 4

Thanks for taking my question. Yes, I was curious if you can talk a little bit about what you're seeing in Q1. I mean, you talked about weather being a challenge, but sales you're pointing to kind of flat to down, but EBITDA is down quite a bit more. Peter, is there any way to sort of think about how much of it is weather driven versus margin normalization?

Speaker 3

Yes, weather is modest. I think it's 2 or 3 days in terms of what we are anticipating in terms of a headwind. So that's not a huge deal. I think in general, with the exception of that component, you've got pretty healthy business both on a year over year basis and on a trending basis. So I think that's a positive.

Speaker 3

What you are seeing though, and I think it's fair to point it out is the year over year lapping of what we've been talking about. I think you've heard me, Ketan, talk about that normalization of margins. And I've been pretty adamant that behind the scenes, regardless of this multifamily obscuring it, we have seen business getting back to normal in terms of the supply chain normalizing and our negotiating and the competitive environment and things just settling back down to a more normal level. And you're seeing a little bit of that in terms of the year over year. Again, still a very good number, still a very strong performance for the business, but more in line with what we would expect going forward.

Speaker 2

And I would just add from a customer sentiment perspective, the national builder customers are seeing increased foot traffic. And more importantly, the foot traffic that they are seeing are more apt to actually buy a home. So the percentage of closings to people looking, I feel like is gaining traction. And their ability to match up available inventory and monthly mortgage payment to demand is they've done a great job with that. Now where we need a little help from the Fed mortgage rates would be to get the non national builder customer into an arena where the cost of a mortgage is helping to drive that demand to them.

Speaker 2

So that less so, but we expect that to be what is the first off the sidelines when we get that movement. But the National Builders have done a good job in the existing environment.

Speaker 4

That's a helpful context. I'll turn it over. Good luck. Thank

Speaker 6

you,

Operator

We'll move next to Dave Manthey with Baird.

Speaker 6

Hi, good morning everyone. Thinking broadly on a product basis, is the margin differential between commodity and value added products different than it was 5 to 7 years ago? I assume both categories have moved up. But as we normalize out here and go forward the next 3 to 5, can you just discuss the delta between those 2?

Speaker 3

Yes, that's fair to say. You're right. We've seen improvements across the board in terms of margins. Some of that very simply to cover the inflation and the incremental costs, but we have certainly seen an increase. And I would also point to our productivity as a driver for why value add has extended its differentiation from commodity.

Speaker 3

Those as Dave referred to $100 plus 1,000,000 worth of investment and effort we put around our team to improve our internal board foot per man hour or doors per man hour type of productivity metrics has contributed to a bigger differential between value add on average and commodity.

Speaker 4

Sounds good. Thank you.

Speaker 11

Thanks, Dave.

Operator

We'll go next to Jay McCanless with Wedbush.

Speaker 6

Hey, good morning, everyone. So my question is on the outlook for R and R. I think up low single digits, probably a little bit better, I'd say, than what some of the other national forecasters are expecting. Is that acquisitions driving that? Or do you feel like in those specific markets, you can actually see growth above what people are expecting?

Speaker 2

Hey, Jay. Thanks for the question. For us, R and R kind of falls into 2 camps. There's R and R, DIY and retail and then there's kind of pro remodel, R and R. And I think with us too, it's market specific.

Speaker 2

We don't do it everywhere. So that's why there's a little difference in what we believe is going to happen for us possibly versus some of the national guys. And a lot of what I think is a headwind for them are big ticket items that we have never sold and don't sell like appliances, etcetera. So the fact that we have kind of a different product offering to that group, a different kind of customer focus and in different parts of the country is why we is why I believe we might have a little different expectation.

Speaker 3

We also, I think, taking advantage of capacity availability to lean into it as well and that's a different component than others might have.

Speaker 6

That sounds great.

Speaker 2

We're such a small player in that overall market segment. It's a little easier for us to kind of grow that if we just focus on it a little bit and we have the ability to do that in this current environment.

Speaker 6

Thanks. And just one other quick question. I think the $200,000,000 you called out Dave in terms of incremental digital sales this year, Maybe talk a little bit more about that, what that's going to look like and why you all feel like I think this is new guidance for you guys, just kind of why you wanted to talk about that now and what those incremental sales would look like, please?

Speaker 2

Perfect. Thank you for teeing that up for me, Jay. Next week at IBS, we're doing a full product launch. Then we'll be rolling our digital tools out market by market. There's a lot of preparation in training our sales team to then know how to intelligently explain it to our customers and show the benefits to our customers.

Speaker 2

And that just takes time. And we're doing it market by market. We're making sure we do it right the first time. And as we get momentum, it will you'll see the efforts paying off in the later part of the year. And that's why I said more like a hockey stick probably in 20 24.

Speaker 2

But we're really excited about it and it all starts next week with the IBS product launch.

Speaker 6

Okay. That's great. Thanks for taking my questions.

Speaker 5

Thanks, Jay.

Operator

We'll go next to Kurt Yinger with D. A. Davidson.

Speaker 6

Great. Thanks and good morning everyone. I just wanted to stick with the digital tools and the rollout there. I was hoping you could talk about maybe the cost impact in 2024 and recognizing that the sales are back half weighted and it's kind of the 1st year that you're fully rolling these out. How should we think about kind of the incremental margins attached to those sales?

Speaker 3

Yes. Hey, Kurt. Thanks for the question. So the short answer is we expect the sales pull through to be pretty consistent sort of the digital tools and the development, the rollout and even largely the support is included in the numbers. It's really been spent over the past few years.

Speaker 3

So there there's no there's another material that you're going to see in terms of deltas. The thing we're kind of keep a close eye on is what is the support infrastructure necessary to make sure we have the right level of customer experience. We think we have an eye on it, but that's probably the only one that could potentially increase if this really picks up quickly. Again, I don't think it'll be big enough to really hit the radar for anybody even if that were to happen just based on the service model we've built out. It's really all about that incremental sales being pulled through from incremental share of wallet and new customers that really like being able to utilize these modern digital tools.

Speaker 4

Got it.

Speaker 5

Okay. Thanks for that, Peter. I'll turn it over.

Operator

We'll move now to Steven Ramsey with Thompson Research Group.

Speaker 11

Good morning. Wanted to hold in on the installation sales, which at the Investor Day, you estimated at 15% of 2023 sales. I guess, first, is that about where it landed last year? And then thinking for 2024, is there an expectation that installation sales can grow on an absolute basis or where that lands as a percent of the total base business? Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thanks for the question. Installation is definitely a focus point for our strategy for 2024 as it fits very nicely into solving our customers' pain points. We do it successfully in a lot of markets today. We did $2,500,000,000 in material and labor sales in related installation last year. So our focus is to grow it both organically and inorganically.

Speaker 2

The low hanging fruit is the markets that we are already doing some level of installation, expanding the products that we install in those markets. But we're also looking at new markets that have not done installation in the past. To do that effectively, we put our best people together and we developed an installation playbook that people can access and utilize to grow that business in their markets. And we're always looking for people who are already doing it well today that could fit into our profile through M and A. So we're going to pull all of those levers during the year, but it will be starting in Q2 and then going from there for the most part.

Speaker 2

And it will be focused on the things we're already good at today.

Speaker 5

Perfect. Thank you.

Speaker 3

Thank you.

Operator

We'll go next to Jeffrey Stevenson with Loop Capital.

Speaker 6

Hey, thanks for taking my question and congrats on the nice results. Are you expecting any price deflation this year in categories such as EWP and millwork, which benefited from supply driven pricing gains the last several years?

Speaker 2

Well, we already saw that in the last part of the year for EWP. I don't know that we'd see too much more of that going forward. And I would call it more supply chain normalization than I would significant deflation. I think they're still challenged with a lot of inflationary operating costs that we all are. So, I don't expect that they're going to be able to significantly reduce price.

Speaker 2

I think it's more holding that where it is right now that we're expecting and hoping for. But quite frankly, it wouldn't surprise me if inflation causes even price increases going into the year.

Speaker 6

Got it. Very helpful. Thank you.

Operator

And ladies and gentlemen, that will conclude today's question and answer session as well as today's event.

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