TSE:CS Capstone Copper Q4 2023 Earnings Report C$6.79 +0.07 (+1.04%) As of 05/22/2025 04:00 PM Eastern ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast Capstone Copper EPS ResultsActual EPSC$0.02Consensus EPS C$0.02Beat/MissMet ExpectationsOne Year Ago EPSN/ACapstone Copper Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$481.57 millionExpected RevenueN/ABeat/MissN/AYoY Revenue GrowthN/ACapstone Copper Announcement DetailsQuarterQ4 2023Date2/22/2024TimeN/AConference Call DateThursday, February 22, 2024Conference Call Time4:00PM ETConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckInterim ReportEarnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Capstone Copper Q4 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrFebruary 22, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 10 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Capstone Copper Q4 2023 Results Conference Call. At this time, all lines are in a listen only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question and answer session. This call is being recorded on Thursday, February 22, 2024. I would now like to turn the conference over to Gerald Annette. Operator00:00:32Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:34Hello. I'd like to welcome you all to Capstone Copper's Q4 2023 conference call. Please note that the news release and regulatory filings announcing KapStone Copper's 2023 4th quarter financial and operational results are available on our website and on SEDAR Plus. If you're logged into the webcast, we will announce or advance the slides of today's presentation, which are also available in the Investors section of our website. I'm joined today by our CEO, John McKenzie our President and COO, Kassel Marr our Chief Financial Officer, Raman Randhawa and our Senior Vice President, Risk, ESG and General Counsel, Wendy King. Speaker 100:01:20Following our brief remarks, there will be an opportunity for questions. Please note that the comments made on the call today will contain forward looking information within the meaning of applicable securities laws. This information by its nature is subject to risks and uncertainties and actual results may differ materially from the views expressed today. For further information on the risks and uncertainties pertaining to our business, please see Capstone's most recent filings, which are available on our website and on SEDAR Plus. And finally, I'll just note that all amounts we will discuss today are in U. Speaker 100:01:56S. Dollars, unless otherwise specified. Now, I'll turn the call over to John McKenzie. Speaker 200:02:04Thank you, Charles. Good afternoon, everyone in North America, and good morning to those dialing in from Australia. We're pleased to present our Q4 2023 results and our achievements for the year. Starting with Slide 5. We produced just over 44,000 tons of copper at consolidated C1 cash costs of $2.67 per pound in Q4. Speaker 200:02:30It was our strongest quarter of the year with respect to both production and costs and that translated into our strongest quarter of the year from a financial perspective. After a strong finish to 2023, our operations are set up well for 2024. For the full year in 2023, we produced 164,000 tonnes of copper, which is in line with our second half guidance. Our consolidated C1 cash costs were impacted by lower production levels at the start of the year and our higher cost CapEx production. However, we expect our consolidated unit costs to decline as our Monteverde development project in Chile ramps up. Speaker 200:03:10It is a significant accomplishment for our team to have completed the construction phase of MVDP and should now be focused on the commissioning and ramp up of the projects. There are no changes to our previously announced total capital budget of $870,000,000 for the project, nor for the commissioning time line as described in our guidance release in January. This project is a combination of many years of dedicated effort by our team from the exploration, studies, permitting and engineering to the building of the mine, and it's tremendously exciting that we're now approaching first production. MVDP is transformational for KapStone Copper and will drive a step change improvements in our consolidated unit costs and a pathway to record operating cash flow generation. Continuing with our achievements in 2023, I'm also very proud to highlight that both our Monteverde and Montes Blancos mines in Chile were awarded the copper mark. Speaker 200:04:16Responsible operating practices are a vital component of our commitment to the environment, our employees, local communities and governments and must remain front of mind in everything we do. The copper mark is a powerful assurance of transparency and accountability and reinforces our values on responsible, sustainable production. We take pride in the achievements of our Chilean operations, and we're actively striving to replicate the success of Pinsa Valley and Cozamin. We also made great strides this year by broadening our senior management bench strength. We now have new General Managers at 3 of our mines, and we've made several key additions throughout the year to our Corporate Technical team. Speaker 200:05:01We've been able to attract very talented and experienced individuals to join our team, and I believe we're poised for success. Lastly, I would also like to highlight that in 2023, we diversified our shareholder base through a secondary placement of shares by our largest shareholder, Orion Mine Finance. We continue to bolster our shareholder register earlier this year with a further sell down by Orion in addition to a primary equity raise by Capstone. On February 2, we announced that our shares commenced trading on the Australian Stock Exchange under the ticker symbol CSC. We grew our shareholder base in the Asia Pacific region substantially last year. Speaker 200:05:44The ASX is a premium market with a long track record as a platform for mining companies. We're committed to improving the liquidity on our shares on the ASX over time. And with that, I'll pass over to Ramin for our financial results. Speaker 300:05:59Thank you, John. We are now on Slide 6. In Q4, we recorded copper production of 44,100 tonnes and copper sales of 43,300 tonnes. LME copper prices during the quarter averaged $3.70 per pound, down 2% compared to $3.79 per pound in Q3 2023. Our realized copper prices of $3.74 per pound was largely in line with the LME average price. Speaker 300:06:26As a result, we recognized net revenues in the quarter of $354,000,000 We recorded consolidated C1 cash cost of $2.67 per payable pound in Q4, which were within our second half guidance range and represented our lowest quarterly C1 cost of the year. We expect cost to trend similarly in the first half of this year between $2.65 to $2.85 per pound before a large step change in our consolidated unit cost in the second half driven by our Manta Verde development project down to $2.10 to $2.30 per pound. Adjusted EBITDA in Q4 of $88,300,000 increased by 41% compared to Q3, driven by our stronger operational quarter with 10% higher production results. Adjusted net income to shareholders of 10,800,000 dollars or $0.02 per share excludes unrealized derivative and FX losses of $21,000,000 Moving on to Slide 7. On the left hand side, we summarize our available liquidity, which as at year end 2023 was approximately 353,000,000 including 127,000,000 of cash and short term investments and 226,000,000 of undrawn amounts on our CAD700 1,000,000 corporate revolving credit facility. Speaker 300:07:52Earlier this month, we closed a CAD356 dollars primary equity raise as part of a larger C431 $1,000,000 bought deal, which included a secondary sale by our largest shareholder Orion Mine Finance. The equity raise improves our liquidity and financial flexibility. Our pro form liquidity including the net proceeds of the primary offering totals now $606,000,000 After accounting for the offering on a pro form a basis, we have a consolidated net debt of $674,000,000 and an attributable net debt balance of 523,000,000 dollars Our balance sheet is in excellent shape. The chart on the right hand side illustrates our EBITDA sensitivity at various copper prices. In the first two bars, you can see that we expect significant near term EBITDA growth with mantelburry sulfides at full run rate production. Speaker 300:08:47In the near term, this year in 2020 4, our EBITDA will double from our 2023 levels with MBDP ramping up. And then with MBDP at full capacity, we expect to generate approximately $1,000,000,000 of annual EBITDA, assuming a $4 copper price. The EBITDA generation associated with Manco Verde will enable us to focus on generating free cash flow to delever our balance sheet and be below 1x net leverage at spot copper prices, which provides additional liquidity to advance our future growth pipeline in terms of Monteverde optimized, expiration and Santo Domingo depending on market conditions. Now I'll hand it over to Cashel for the operations review. Speaker 400:09:30Thanks, Ron. We're now on Slide 8. Pinto Valley produced 15,933 Tonnes of Copper at a C1 cash cost of $2.36 per payable pound during Q4. It was our strongest quarter of the year at Pinto Valley as we started to see benefits from our new asset integrity program And in my view, the mine is positioned well for this year. We have guided for 58,000 to 64,000 tonnes of copper production at Pinto Valley in 2024, at C1 cash costs of $2.50 to $2.70 per payable pound. Speaker 400:10:05We expect copper production to be weighted towards the second half of the year, driven by grades. Our guidance implies throughput of around 52,000 tons of ore per day versus the mill capacity of 60,000 tons per day. As we continue to execute on our asset integrity program, we believe we will be able to increase the mean time between failures and improve our overall availability to be able to deliver more consistently higher throughput. Also of note last year, Pinto Valley completed a 3rd party GAAP assessment for the copper mark. In 2024, our capital expenditure guidance also reflects our efforts to improve tailings stewardship as we work towards implementing the global industry standards for tailings management by year end 2028. Speaker 400:10:59Moving to Slide 9. Postman Mine delivered a solid Q4, producing 6,500 and 64 tonnes of copper at C1 cash cost of $1.76 per payable pound. The mine demonstrated another quarter of nameplate mining rates after transitioning to the new cut and fill mining method earlier last year. We have guided for 20 24 production from Cozamin of 20 recently published technical report due to a stronger Mexican peso and additional use of the new cut and fill mining method. We believe there are opportunities to reduce unit costs in the future as the workforce improves its proficiency with cut and fill. Speaker 400:11:55Our Mentos Blanco's asset is highlighted on Slide 10. Total sulfide and cathode production yielded 11,587 tons of copper at a blended C1 cash cost of $2.71 per payable pound. Sulphide operations this year have not performed consistently at nameplate levels. While the major components including the crushing, grinding and floating circuits remain more capable of throughput rates in excess of 20,000 tonnes per day, linkages between these systems, including pumps and pipes, have exhibited bottlenecks. In Q4, we continued to execute on our plan to address plant stability that includes improved maintenance and optimization of the concentrator and tailing system. Speaker 400:12:44We have also incorporated the learnings to date from operating the plant since the expansion was completed. We worked through several areas during the quarter and we have addressed several of the bottlenecks in the crushing and grinding area of the mine. Operating rates so far in 2024 have tracked more closely with our plan. We've guided for sulfide production sulfide production of 43,000 to 49,000 tonnes of copper with a larger weighting in the second half driven by higher throughput. During the first half of the year, our focus is on receiving and installing the engineering and infrastructure upgrades required in the tailings dewatering area of the plant. Speaker 400:13:27We expect to receive and install the necessary equipment in Q2, after which we expect mantos Blanco to be operating at nameplate throughput rates. Included in our sustaining capital guidance at mantos Blanco for 2024 is approximately $35,000,000 related to achieving sustainable run rate production. We are confident that we have both the team in place and the asset that will support full run rates. Our efforts are focused on achieving this. And after that, we will recommence our studies related to mantosplanco's Phase 2, as we believe the ore body can support a further expansion. Speaker 400:14:13Now on to manto verde on Slide 11. Q4 2023 oxide production was 10,019 tonnes of copper in cathode at C1 cash cost of $3.68 per payable pound. During the Q1 of 2024, we welcomed a new General Manager at Mento Verde, Oscar Flores, who has significant experience ramping up and operating sulfide concentrators in his previous roles with Kinross, Anapagasa, Anglo American and Codelco in Chile, plus his time at New Gold in Mexico, Australia and Canada. Our previous GM, Pablo Asain, will be staying on through the end of Q1 ahead of his retirement. We thank him for his stewardship at Manto Verde and wish him all the best. Speaker 400:15:08Importantly, significant progress was achieved at the MVDP during Q4. Construction is effectively complete. Our project capital estimate of $870,000,000 is unchanged. And at this stage, we do not anticipate any further increases to the capital budget for the project. Our key commissioning milestones are listed on the right side of the screen, with 1st ore to the mill expected in Q1, first salable concentrate in Q2 and the mine hitting its nameplate operating rates during the Q3. Speaker 400:15:46Banco Verde will produce approximately 120,000 tonnes of combined cathode and copper in concentrate with over 30,000 ounces of gold per year once fully ramped up. During this ramp up year, we plan to produce between 61,000 to 75,000 tons of combined copper at Monteverde. Around mid-twenty 24, we plan to release a study for Mantoverde Optimize, which is a brownfield expansion to increase the ore throughput by approximately 40%. With a resource of over 1,000,000,000 tonnies of material not currently included in reserves, we would also continue to evaluate the addition of a second concentrator line at and Erde. Slides 12 through 16 show our construction and commissioning progress at several key areas of BMVDP. Speaker 400:16:45Slide 12 shows the primary crusher on the left and the covered core source stockpile on the right. We fed 1st ore into the primary crusher during the Q4 and our covered core source stockpile now sits about a third full ahead of the ramp up. Recall that the mining activities took place throughout 2023 and we have now stockpiled around 6,000,000 tons of sulfide ore waiting to be fed to the primary crusher and mills. We have also a further 6 months of sulfide ore exposed in the pit, further derisking the ramp up. Slide 13 shows a close-up of the SAG and Ball Mills. Speaker 400:17:25This is the next major step in our systematic commissioning process. Our engineering contractor, Asenco, is engaged for the commissioning and ramp up of the mill operations. We have also hired a full complement of sulfide operators in addition to our new plant manager who are working alongside the Asanko ramp up team. Last week, the mills were energized and have been turning without ore. We are working with F. Speaker 400:17:53O. Smith, our equipment manufacturer, as they perform their final instrumentation and calibration tracks prior to the first ore being fed into the mills, which we expect later this quarter. On Slide 14, you can see a bird's eye view of the processing flow sheet. We will continue to systematically commission the plant working through the flotation, filtration and tailings areas over the next few months. On Slide 15, you'll see the tailings storage facility. Speaker 400:18:26Manta Verde sits approximately 900 meters above sea level and is one of the driest areas on the planet. In our view, it is among the best places on earth to have built and be ramping up a copper concentrator. Lastly, on Slide 16, you'll find our desalination plant on the coast about 30 kilometers away from the mine. It has now been expanded to support the MBDP. I'm excited to continue commissioning and ramping up the Manto Berdy development project over the next few months. Speaker 400:18:59Now over to Wendy King for the sustainability review. Speaker 500:19:02Thank you, Kassel. We're now on Slide 17 with a review of our sustainability highlights. In November, we published our 1st combined sustainability report for Capstone Copper, Growing Responsibly. This report provides enhanced information on our global sustainability policies and more in-depth information on community engagement and biodiversity management. We also reported emissions intensity data per unit of ore processed and unit of copper produced to give a clear and transparent picture for our emissions. Speaker 500:19:42In 2024, we will continue this trend of enhanced reporting by disclosing the results of our climate related risk and opportunity assessment and scenario analysis, which we started in 2023. This work will further inform our business strategy and decarbonization plan. Along with other Canadian mining companies, we will issue our 1st modern slavery report on our supply chain responsible sourcing practices. We are pleased to report that Manto Verde was named the 2023 Company of the Year by Corpora Atacama at its Annual General Meeting. Cozamin was recognized with 3 different awards, including the Socially Responsible Company Distinction Award from the Mexican Center For Philanthropy, the Ethics and Values Award for its Corporate Social Responsibility Practices from the Confederation of Industrial Chambers of Mexico, and the Company Committed to Human Rights Awards from the Zacatecas State Human Rights Commission. Speaker 500:20:54These awards are a testament to the work done by our sites to be corporate and industry leaders in our communities. At Manto Verde, we are working with Esconza, Chile and Atacama Regional Government to provide desalinated water to the towns of Flamenco and Les Pissnas to meet all of their water needs. This is an important example of how mining companies can give back and improve the well-being of the communities in which we operate. At Pinto Valley, water supply wells have been converted from diesel powered to electric and in our mine fleet, we are working to replace diesel equipment with electric or lower emission equipment as replacements come due. And we have implemented a new dust suppression system that saved approximately 17,000,000 gallons of water last year. Speaker 500:21:50Initiatives like these will reduce our carbon footprint and improve our sustainability. In 2023, Cozamin published a biodiversity handbook based on a 2 year flora and fauna monitoring program, which provides the basis for estimating net losses and gains at the site. This handbook was shared with universities and schools as part of our environmental education program and helps to illustrate the delicate balance between human activity and wildlife preservation and how mining can coexist with nature. In 2024, Capstone will be developing a global biodiversity standard outlining our commitments related to biodiversity. All of our sites continued to support local community priorities during the Q4, highlighted by the removal of an 8,000 foot abandoned water pipe from National Forest Land in Arizona. Speaker 500:22:52And Mantos Blanco hosted an idea fair in Anafagasta with children and used to promote the themes of innovation, development and entrepreneurship, important skills to promote in our youth. And with that, I'd like to pass it back to John. Speaker 200:23:10Thanks, Wendy. Turning to Slide 18. We've outlined our sector leading growth plans and some of the additional upside within our portfolio. As can be seen, we expect MVDP at its full production run rate to bring us to a consolidated annual level of around 260,000 tons of copper at costs approaching close to $2 per pound. As Kassel mentioned, we plan to release a feasibility study for our Monteverde optimized project later this year, which is a low risk brownfield expansion that we think will unlock another 20,000 tons of copper per year with a highly attractive capital efficiency of $7,500 per ton of annual production. Speaker 200:23:56From there, we have a pathway to over 380,000 tons of copper production with a fully permitted Santo Domingo project, which is 35 kilometers from Monteverde, and we believe will create a world class mining district in Chile. Beyond that is further upside across our portfolio with underutilized SXEW capacity in Chile, another low risk brownfield expansion opportunity at Montes Blancos, the ability to unlock cobalt in our MVSD district. And lastly, we believe we can also create a world class mining district at our Pinto Valley mine in Arizona. On Slide 19, we highlight the timelines for some of the aforementioned studies and other milestones as we execute on our growth plans. Finally, I would like to highlight that we're on the cusp of a transformation of KapStone as we ramp up MONSAVARE, whilst delivering the studies that will define our next stage of growth. Speaker 200:24:58And with that, we're now ready to take questions. Operator00:25:03Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now conduct the question and answer session. Your first question comes from Orest Wowkodaw from Scotiabank. Your line is now open. Speaker 600:25:27Good afternoon. Congrats on completing the construction on the Manoverde sulfide. The question for casual, I mean, as you're I guess you're in 2nd month here of commissioning, where do you think is if you had to pick one area of the start up, where do you think the biggest risk is to meeting the timeline that you put out for ramp up? Speaker 400:25:52Yes. So the way obviously, the way we're doing it is we're doing sequential commissioning. The actual it's not that one area is at risk. It's that risk that exists in every single ramp up that I've been involved with and that I'm familiar with within the industry that you could run into problems that were baked in several years ago during the fabrication process. And that's why you have vendor affirmation on all these processes is that they ensure that their warranties are stable and good because their products are functioning as designed. Speaker 400:26:34So that process, the risk it would have, it typically adds a week here or a week there with the individual items that might be identified. But there's not really a massive risk otherwise. And one of the reasons I say that is, it's a rather simple process line. It's been proven time and again in some 6 mines that Asenco has commissioned in the past, including Carrapateena most recently, Minahusta, Constancia, Acadia East, Luana among and I might be missing a couple. But this is one line. Speaker 400:27:18They have done this in the past. It's led by their very experienced ramp up team, which is different from their construction team that have most recently done this, like I said, at Carrapateena and Minahusta. So we feel we're in very good hands. The other thing we have is we have our operators on-site also that are facilitating, monitoring and learning the process. 127 people have been employed, including the plant manager, his supervisors, the operators and the maintenance attain a very efficient and robust sort of commissioning process through this ramp up. Speaker 600:28:09So you're at this point, you're not seeing anything to get you overly concerned? Speaker 400:28:14No, no, not at all. Like I said in the in what I spoke about, the project and the update is we're just turning the 2 mills now under FLSmidth's supervision. So we tend to be able to start loading them with ball charges very shortly. So that's very good sign for us because that's really the most critical piece of equipment in the whole area. The rest we've undergone all the hydro testing, moving water around the whole process and plant site. Speaker 400:28:47And so then it's all about will it handle slurry. And those are pumps and pipes, and we're pretty certain with the design that Asanko has delivered to us. Speaker 600:28:57Okay. And just one quick follow-up, if I could. Do you still envision the CapEx for the optimization study or optimization work, the expansion to go to 45,000 tons a day at Mano Verde? Do you still expect that CapEx to be around $150,000,000 Speaker 400:29:13Yes. Yes, somewhere in that ballpark, I'd say. Speaker 300:29:17Thank you. No problem. Operator00:29:23Your next question comes from Ralph Profiti from 8 Capital. Your line is now open. Speaker 200:29:31Thanks, operator. Good afternoon. Speaker 700:29:35My question is on the challenges that you think you could possibly face in meeting that second half twenty twenty four cash cost guidance, right, that $1.45 to $1.75 And I'm just wondering if you're seeing in these early days any deviations, things like concentrate logistics or energy costs or other cost pressures versus when those guidance expectations were set? Speaker 200:30:05Yes. Thanks for the question, Ralph. I think at this stage, we're not seeing anything that makes us think any differently to what we put out in the guidance. I would sort of emphasize that the primary driver behind the cost reduction that we see in the second half is the ramp up of Montserveira. And the reason that the cost comes down is it just raises the percentage of high grade sulfide ore that we're processing across our business. Speaker 200:30:37We're almost doubling the grade of our sort of across our average portfolio as we bring Monteverde on, from 0.35% last year up to 0.6% sort of across the portfolio this year. And with that comes increased recovery. We get better recoveries out of the concentrators than we do after the leach plants. So those there are a few other things as well. So obviously there's sort of scale, there's throughput, but those are the sort of fundamental drivers behind the reduction in costs that we forecast. Speaker 200:31:16And I would also say that, it's really about sort of grade and recovery. We've already got 6,000,000 tons of sulfide ore stockpile at Monteverde. I would say there's been excellent reconciliation between our sort of block model and what we've actually mined. So I think at this stage, we don't see any reason to be deviating from the guidance we've given. Speaker 700:31:45Thanks, John. And maybe just a question for Raman. There's $75,000,000 in Monteverde capitalized stripping in 2024. And I presume that a lot of that is associated with sulfide ramp up. But just wondering how much does that fall off, if any? Speaker 700:32:02Is there significance to the fall off starting in 2025? And what's a good run rate for cap stripping at Mento Verde specifically? Speaker 300:32:11Yes. It's more of a function of the accounting, Ralph, like it's based on the obviously OXO, the order waste ratios and the accounting we're doing is different than the tech reports, which assume no deferred stripping capitalization. So that number can it's going to vary by year, but it will be in that ballpark of like 50 to 70 kind of going forward. And it's actually capitalized by pit. So it depends which it's not just what we're moving in the year for the total mine, it's by pit and there's multiple pits we're in. Speaker 300:32:42So even though we're mining in a particular pit for sulfides now, the same time we're actually stripping 2 more pits that we're going to mine the sulfides in from 3 years from now. So that's why you kind of see that run rate continue. Speaker 700:32:55That's very helpful. Yes, very helpful. Thanks everyone. Operator00:33:04Your next question comes from Dalton Baretto from Canaccord. Your line is now open. Speaker 800:33:12Great. Thanks very much and good afternoon guys. I wanted to ask about the upcoming Santodamino study. Presumably, you guys are getting close to the finish line here. And I'm just wondering, in addition to marking the market on the CapEx or the OpEx, what are some of the material differences, I guess, we can expect versus the existing feasibility study? Speaker 200:33:34Yes. Thanks, Nelson, for the questions. And I think I'll probably pass most of that across to Cassel to respond to. But I would say, it's looking in really good shape. I think we're sort of really excited about kind of the direction that it's headed in. Speaker 200:33:53I think, obviously, we did do a sort of original feasibility was done in 2018. So there's been sort of now 6 years of capital inflation that we've included since that time. But there were 2 other elements that have come into it. So the one is incorporating synergies with Monteverde and various infrastructure type synergies. And the other one was just relooking at the actual design itself, sort of design optimizations. Speaker 200:34:26I think we've been able to take out about 40% of the footprint, as a result of just more efficient design than was in previously. We've I think just with a bit more experience in our technical team about processing ores in that area, we've made some adjustments to the process flow sheet that certainly give us, I'd say, higher confidence in the actual process flow sheet itself, but also will perhaps not sort of lowering CapEx that will give significant benefits on the operating cost side in the future. So maybe with that just sort of passing across to cash flow just to add anything to that. Speaker 400:35:08Yes. There's been a real complete revamp on the design while maintaining the same critical footprint as required by the permit. Of course, this has its DL 600 and is a permitted plant. There's an opportunity we see here to increase throughput. Change in the flow sheet, John mentioned, the reduction in steel and concrete required based on the footprint. Speaker 400:35:35So we are being more capital efficient. And that's just using what Asanko has done for us at Mento Verde and some of their other plants here at Santo Domingo. With that being said, we're looking to bring in more tonnes, a little more of life of mine opportunity. We also noted that with the reevaluation of the resource itself, there's actually a little higher grade copper there than what we had previously thought due to density weighting. The iron ore, as you know, has a higher density and we weren't weighting it properly. Speaker 400:36:14So that's been a little modification that we believe will bring more copper sooner, for longer, I should say, over that a longer period of time where the copper grade dropped off maybe in year 6 or 7, we might get a couple more years out of it. So that's another sort of area of improvement. And then I think this will more break out the opportunity section within the feasibility study where we'll have a better idea and evaluation of what possibly some of the strip material. John mentioned the synergies, some of the oxide that's available to us in that strip material would never merit on its own an SX EW plant. However, Manto Verde has capacity as we know, and there's a real opportunity there, we believe, in the future to process that material. Speaker 200:37:10And the other one Speaker 400:37:11of course is our budding cobalt business. We're doing some pilot testing right now in Manfro Verde And we believe that Santo Domingo could provide considerable amount of feed to that processing plant that we might achieve at Manto Verde in the future. So it will outline among other things all those things. And I think one of the important things for the analyst community is it will have a refresh of a present and achievable capital cost estimates and also the returns we expect from that project. So it's a good time to update all those things. Speaker 400:37:52So we're really looking forward to completing it. Speaker 800:37:59Thanks, Kashal. And then just as a follow-up, I know the cobalt study is coming a little bit later, but just in terms of the JV process that you guys are running, is this study going to be enough to move that forward? Or are you going to wait until the cobalt study is done? Speaker 200:38:18So, Alberto, when you talk about the JV process? Speaker 800:38:22Yes, just the partnership on Santo Domingo. Speaker 200:38:25Bringing in a partner for Santo Domingo. Yes. Look, ultimately, I think the partner process will sort of require us to have the sort of completed feasibility study. I think within that study, as Kassel mentioned, is the base case, which I think you described well. And then on top of that are the opportunity sections. Speaker 200:38:47So I think those areas just the work on them started a little bit later than sort of the feasibility work that's been done on the rest of Santo Domingo. So there's a slightly longer time line to bring those to the same level of study and of confidence. But we're already quite some distance down the track. So I think those will certainly be sort of opportunities that we would be discussing with potential partners for Santo Domingo. Speaker 800:39:21Got it. Thanks, John. And maybe if I can just squeeze one last one in. John, can you talk a little bit about the rationale behind the recent equity raise? Speaker 200:39:30Yes, certainly. So when we I would say, 1st of all, we saw sort of in the markets sort of a relatively attractive sort of opportunity in terms of windows to raise certain amounts of funding at what seems to be a reasonable valuation. And what we've been doing is we're relatively conservative in terms of the way we approach our balance sheet. And what we've been doing is really holding back on a lot of expenditure that would sort of drive some really interesting future value. And the real reason for that is whilst we're sort of fully funded for the Montserve Ade project, I certainly don't want to be sort of spending money until we've actually sort of seen the ramp up, seen or sort of seen the project delivering the cash flow that we expect. Speaker 200:40:39However, that does mean that we've been holding back a little bit on some sort of really exciting opportunities. And just to sort of list some of those, we've got the northern section of Monteverde, we've got highly, highly prospective exploration targets that we believe could sort of significantly sort of increase the resource base for Monteverde. We've obviously got Monteverde optimized. And Kassel mentioned earlier, sort of a CapEx number of probably about $150,000,000 It's got a really short payback period, that project. And so the sooner we can do it, the better. Speaker 200:41:21And then also, as we approach sort of Santo Domingo thereafter, to me, sort of it's best practice to actually advance the detailed engineering of the project before one actually kind of gives full notice to proceed on the actual construction. It just gives you a much tighter confidence level in terms of kind of where your CapEx is going to be for the project. So this raise sort of facilitates our ability to execute on each of those things, which had we not done the raise, we would probably have been kind of keeping the brakes on for certainly a little bit longer. I would say there were on the other hand as well, part of it was the secondary sale by Orion. I think that's both with the primary and the secondary, we improved the liquidity in our stock. Speaker 200:42:21I think that's clearly sort of an objective of ours to do that. And then I think finally, when we looked at our shareholder register, there were quite a number of blue chip shareholders that sort of sort of blue chip funds that we saw on some of our competitors register and who were not on ours. And so one of the objectives was to facilitate the entry of some of those funds onto our register. And I think we were really pleased to see kind of the uptake by those funds. And we think in terms of our share register now, it's sort of looking in a good place. Operator00:43:16Your next question comes from Stefan Ioannou from Cormark Securities. Your line is now open. Speaker 900:43:25Hey, great. Thanks guys. Maybe just more of a curiosity from me with MVDP. Just curious, you mentioned you've got a good chunk of material now stockpiled and then also opened up in the open pit. Is the grade fairly variable or not or is it all mostly low grade material? Speaker 900:43:40I'm just curious as you do ramp up, do you have any flexibility on grade as you go through that process to play with? Speaker 400:43:47Yes, Stephen. Within the stockpiling strategy, they put some high grade and low grade. So they've separated out. So just with the normal ramp up process in the very beginning with very few tons, there's very little grade going through, obviously, because I dial in the flotation cells and those types of things. But after that, when we got the process going and things, we want to put through the high grade and that's available to us. Speaker 900:44:16Okay. So yes, you have access to both. Great. Okay. Thanks so much guys. Speaker 200:44:20Yes. Operator00:44:42There are no further questions at this time. Mr. John McKenzie, please continue. Speaker 200:44:48Thank you. So we look forward to updating you again in early May with our Q1 results. And until then, keep well and feel free to reach out to Gerald or Daniel if you have any further questions. Thank you for your continued support and have a good day. Operator00:45:06Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for joining. You may now disconnect.Read morePowered by Key Takeaways Capstone delivered a record Q4 with just over 44,000 tonnes of copper at a consolidated C1 cash cost of US$2.67/lb, marking its strongest operational and financial quarter of 2023. Full‐year 2023 copper production reached 164,000 tonnes, in line with guidance, and unit costs are expected to decline in 2024 as higher‐grade sulfide ore from Monteverde comes online. The Monteverde Development Project in Chile is complete on budget (US$870 M) and on schedule for commissioning, with first ore to the mill in Q1, first concentrate in Q2, full ramp to nameplate by Q3, and annual output of ~120,000 t at C1 costs of US$2.10–2.30/lb. 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There are 10 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Capstone Copper Q4 2023 Results Conference Call. At this time, all lines are in a listen only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question and answer session. This call is being recorded on Thursday, February 22, 2024. I would now like to turn the conference over to Gerald Annette. Operator00:00:32Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:34Hello. I'd like to welcome you all to Capstone Copper's Q4 2023 conference call. Please note that the news release and regulatory filings announcing KapStone Copper's 2023 4th quarter financial and operational results are available on our website and on SEDAR Plus. If you're logged into the webcast, we will announce or advance the slides of today's presentation, which are also available in the Investors section of our website. I'm joined today by our CEO, John McKenzie our President and COO, Kassel Marr our Chief Financial Officer, Raman Randhawa and our Senior Vice President, Risk, ESG and General Counsel, Wendy King. Speaker 100:01:20Following our brief remarks, there will be an opportunity for questions. Please note that the comments made on the call today will contain forward looking information within the meaning of applicable securities laws. This information by its nature is subject to risks and uncertainties and actual results may differ materially from the views expressed today. For further information on the risks and uncertainties pertaining to our business, please see Capstone's most recent filings, which are available on our website and on SEDAR Plus. And finally, I'll just note that all amounts we will discuss today are in U. Speaker 100:01:56S. Dollars, unless otherwise specified. Now, I'll turn the call over to John McKenzie. Speaker 200:02:04Thank you, Charles. Good afternoon, everyone in North America, and good morning to those dialing in from Australia. We're pleased to present our Q4 2023 results and our achievements for the year. Starting with Slide 5. We produced just over 44,000 tons of copper at consolidated C1 cash costs of $2.67 per pound in Q4. Speaker 200:02:30It was our strongest quarter of the year with respect to both production and costs and that translated into our strongest quarter of the year from a financial perspective. After a strong finish to 2023, our operations are set up well for 2024. For the full year in 2023, we produced 164,000 tonnes of copper, which is in line with our second half guidance. Our consolidated C1 cash costs were impacted by lower production levels at the start of the year and our higher cost CapEx production. However, we expect our consolidated unit costs to decline as our Monteverde development project in Chile ramps up. Speaker 200:03:10It is a significant accomplishment for our team to have completed the construction phase of MVDP and should now be focused on the commissioning and ramp up of the projects. There are no changes to our previously announced total capital budget of $870,000,000 for the project, nor for the commissioning time line as described in our guidance release in January. This project is a combination of many years of dedicated effort by our team from the exploration, studies, permitting and engineering to the building of the mine, and it's tremendously exciting that we're now approaching first production. MVDP is transformational for KapStone Copper and will drive a step change improvements in our consolidated unit costs and a pathway to record operating cash flow generation. Continuing with our achievements in 2023, I'm also very proud to highlight that both our Monteverde and Montes Blancos mines in Chile were awarded the copper mark. Speaker 200:04:16Responsible operating practices are a vital component of our commitment to the environment, our employees, local communities and governments and must remain front of mind in everything we do. The copper mark is a powerful assurance of transparency and accountability and reinforces our values on responsible, sustainable production. We take pride in the achievements of our Chilean operations, and we're actively striving to replicate the success of Pinsa Valley and Cozamin. We also made great strides this year by broadening our senior management bench strength. We now have new General Managers at 3 of our mines, and we've made several key additions throughout the year to our Corporate Technical team. Speaker 200:05:01We've been able to attract very talented and experienced individuals to join our team, and I believe we're poised for success. Lastly, I would also like to highlight that in 2023, we diversified our shareholder base through a secondary placement of shares by our largest shareholder, Orion Mine Finance. We continue to bolster our shareholder register earlier this year with a further sell down by Orion in addition to a primary equity raise by Capstone. On February 2, we announced that our shares commenced trading on the Australian Stock Exchange under the ticker symbol CSC. We grew our shareholder base in the Asia Pacific region substantially last year. Speaker 200:05:44The ASX is a premium market with a long track record as a platform for mining companies. We're committed to improving the liquidity on our shares on the ASX over time. And with that, I'll pass over to Ramin for our financial results. Speaker 300:05:59Thank you, John. We are now on Slide 6. In Q4, we recorded copper production of 44,100 tonnes and copper sales of 43,300 tonnes. LME copper prices during the quarter averaged $3.70 per pound, down 2% compared to $3.79 per pound in Q3 2023. Our realized copper prices of $3.74 per pound was largely in line with the LME average price. Speaker 300:06:26As a result, we recognized net revenues in the quarter of $354,000,000 We recorded consolidated C1 cash cost of $2.67 per payable pound in Q4, which were within our second half guidance range and represented our lowest quarterly C1 cost of the year. We expect cost to trend similarly in the first half of this year between $2.65 to $2.85 per pound before a large step change in our consolidated unit cost in the second half driven by our Manta Verde development project down to $2.10 to $2.30 per pound. Adjusted EBITDA in Q4 of $88,300,000 increased by 41% compared to Q3, driven by our stronger operational quarter with 10% higher production results. Adjusted net income to shareholders of 10,800,000 dollars or $0.02 per share excludes unrealized derivative and FX losses of $21,000,000 Moving on to Slide 7. On the left hand side, we summarize our available liquidity, which as at year end 2023 was approximately 353,000,000 including 127,000,000 of cash and short term investments and 226,000,000 of undrawn amounts on our CAD700 1,000,000 corporate revolving credit facility. Speaker 300:07:52Earlier this month, we closed a CAD356 dollars primary equity raise as part of a larger C431 $1,000,000 bought deal, which included a secondary sale by our largest shareholder Orion Mine Finance. The equity raise improves our liquidity and financial flexibility. Our pro form liquidity including the net proceeds of the primary offering totals now $606,000,000 After accounting for the offering on a pro form a basis, we have a consolidated net debt of $674,000,000 and an attributable net debt balance of 523,000,000 dollars Our balance sheet is in excellent shape. The chart on the right hand side illustrates our EBITDA sensitivity at various copper prices. In the first two bars, you can see that we expect significant near term EBITDA growth with mantelburry sulfides at full run rate production. Speaker 300:08:47In the near term, this year in 2020 4, our EBITDA will double from our 2023 levels with MBDP ramping up. And then with MBDP at full capacity, we expect to generate approximately $1,000,000,000 of annual EBITDA, assuming a $4 copper price. The EBITDA generation associated with Manco Verde will enable us to focus on generating free cash flow to delever our balance sheet and be below 1x net leverage at spot copper prices, which provides additional liquidity to advance our future growth pipeline in terms of Monteverde optimized, expiration and Santo Domingo depending on market conditions. Now I'll hand it over to Cashel for the operations review. Speaker 400:09:30Thanks, Ron. We're now on Slide 8. Pinto Valley produced 15,933 Tonnes of Copper at a C1 cash cost of $2.36 per payable pound during Q4. It was our strongest quarter of the year at Pinto Valley as we started to see benefits from our new asset integrity program And in my view, the mine is positioned well for this year. We have guided for 58,000 to 64,000 tonnes of copper production at Pinto Valley in 2024, at C1 cash costs of $2.50 to $2.70 per payable pound. Speaker 400:10:05We expect copper production to be weighted towards the second half of the year, driven by grades. Our guidance implies throughput of around 52,000 tons of ore per day versus the mill capacity of 60,000 tons per day. As we continue to execute on our asset integrity program, we believe we will be able to increase the mean time between failures and improve our overall availability to be able to deliver more consistently higher throughput. Also of note last year, Pinto Valley completed a 3rd party GAAP assessment for the copper mark. In 2024, our capital expenditure guidance also reflects our efforts to improve tailings stewardship as we work towards implementing the global industry standards for tailings management by year end 2028. Speaker 400:10:59Moving to Slide 9. Postman Mine delivered a solid Q4, producing 6,500 and 64 tonnes of copper at C1 cash cost of $1.76 per payable pound. The mine demonstrated another quarter of nameplate mining rates after transitioning to the new cut and fill mining method earlier last year. We have guided for 20 24 production from Cozamin of 20 recently published technical report due to a stronger Mexican peso and additional use of the new cut and fill mining method. We believe there are opportunities to reduce unit costs in the future as the workforce improves its proficiency with cut and fill. Speaker 400:11:55Our Mentos Blanco's asset is highlighted on Slide 10. Total sulfide and cathode production yielded 11,587 tons of copper at a blended C1 cash cost of $2.71 per payable pound. Sulphide operations this year have not performed consistently at nameplate levels. While the major components including the crushing, grinding and floating circuits remain more capable of throughput rates in excess of 20,000 tonnes per day, linkages between these systems, including pumps and pipes, have exhibited bottlenecks. In Q4, we continued to execute on our plan to address plant stability that includes improved maintenance and optimization of the concentrator and tailing system. Speaker 400:12:44We have also incorporated the learnings to date from operating the plant since the expansion was completed. We worked through several areas during the quarter and we have addressed several of the bottlenecks in the crushing and grinding area of the mine. Operating rates so far in 2024 have tracked more closely with our plan. We've guided for sulfide production sulfide production of 43,000 to 49,000 tonnes of copper with a larger weighting in the second half driven by higher throughput. During the first half of the year, our focus is on receiving and installing the engineering and infrastructure upgrades required in the tailings dewatering area of the plant. Speaker 400:13:27We expect to receive and install the necessary equipment in Q2, after which we expect mantos Blanco to be operating at nameplate throughput rates. Included in our sustaining capital guidance at mantos Blanco for 2024 is approximately $35,000,000 related to achieving sustainable run rate production. We are confident that we have both the team in place and the asset that will support full run rates. Our efforts are focused on achieving this. And after that, we will recommence our studies related to mantosplanco's Phase 2, as we believe the ore body can support a further expansion. Speaker 400:14:13Now on to manto verde on Slide 11. Q4 2023 oxide production was 10,019 tonnes of copper in cathode at C1 cash cost of $3.68 per payable pound. During the Q1 of 2024, we welcomed a new General Manager at Mento Verde, Oscar Flores, who has significant experience ramping up and operating sulfide concentrators in his previous roles with Kinross, Anapagasa, Anglo American and Codelco in Chile, plus his time at New Gold in Mexico, Australia and Canada. Our previous GM, Pablo Asain, will be staying on through the end of Q1 ahead of his retirement. We thank him for his stewardship at Manto Verde and wish him all the best. Speaker 400:15:08Importantly, significant progress was achieved at the MVDP during Q4. Construction is effectively complete. Our project capital estimate of $870,000,000 is unchanged. And at this stage, we do not anticipate any further increases to the capital budget for the project. Our key commissioning milestones are listed on the right side of the screen, with 1st ore to the mill expected in Q1, first salable concentrate in Q2 and the mine hitting its nameplate operating rates during the Q3. Speaker 400:15:46Banco Verde will produce approximately 120,000 tonnes of combined cathode and copper in concentrate with over 30,000 ounces of gold per year once fully ramped up. During this ramp up year, we plan to produce between 61,000 to 75,000 tons of combined copper at Monteverde. Around mid-twenty 24, we plan to release a study for Mantoverde Optimize, which is a brownfield expansion to increase the ore throughput by approximately 40%. With a resource of over 1,000,000,000 tonnies of material not currently included in reserves, we would also continue to evaluate the addition of a second concentrator line at and Erde. Slides 12 through 16 show our construction and commissioning progress at several key areas of BMVDP. Speaker 400:16:45Slide 12 shows the primary crusher on the left and the covered core source stockpile on the right. We fed 1st ore into the primary crusher during the Q4 and our covered core source stockpile now sits about a third full ahead of the ramp up. Recall that the mining activities took place throughout 2023 and we have now stockpiled around 6,000,000 tons of sulfide ore waiting to be fed to the primary crusher and mills. We have also a further 6 months of sulfide ore exposed in the pit, further derisking the ramp up. Slide 13 shows a close-up of the SAG and Ball Mills. Speaker 400:17:25This is the next major step in our systematic commissioning process. Our engineering contractor, Asenco, is engaged for the commissioning and ramp up of the mill operations. We have also hired a full complement of sulfide operators in addition to our new plant manager who are working alongside the Asanko ramp up team. Last week, the mills were energized and have been turning without ore. We are working with F. Speaker 400:17:53O. Smith, our equipment manufacturer, as they perform their final instrumentation and calibration tracks prior to the first ore being fed into the mills, which we expect later this quarter. On Slide 14, you can see a bird's eye view of the processing flow sheet. We will continue to systematically commission the plant working through the flotation, filtration and tailings areas over the next few months. On Slide 15, you'll see the tailings storage facility. Speaker 400:18:26Manta Verde sits approximately 900 meters above sea level and is one of the driest areas on the planet. In our view, it is among the best places on earth to have built and be ramping up a copper concentrator. Lastly, on Slide 16, you'll find our desalination plant on the coast about 30 kilometers away from the mine. It has now been expanded to support the MBDP. I'm excited to continue commissioning and ramping up the Manto Berdy development project over the next few months. Speaker 400:18:59Now over to Wendy King for the sustainability review. Speaker 500:19:02Thank you, Kassel. We're now on Slide 17 with a review of our sustainability highlights. In November, we published our 1st combined sustainability report for Capstone Copper, Growing Responsibly. This report provides enhanced information on our global sustainability policies and more in-depth information on community engagement and biodiversity management. We also reported emissions intensity data per unit of ore processed and unit of copper produced to give a clear and transparent picture for our emissions. Speaker 500:19:42In 2024, we will continue this trend of enhanced reporting by disclosing the results of our climate related risk and opportunity assessment and scenario analysis, which we started in 2023. This work will further inform our business strategy and decarbonization plan. Along with other Canadian mining companies, we will issue our 1st modern slavery report on our supply chain responsible sourcing practices. We are pleased to report that Manto Verde was named the 2023 Company of the Year by Corpora Atacama at its Annual General Meeting. Cozamin was recognized with 3 different awards, including the Socially Responsible Company Distinction Award from the Mexican Center For Philanthropy, the Ethics and Values Award for its Corporate Social Responsibility Practices from the Confederation of Industrial Chambers of Mexico, and the Company Committed to Human Rights Awards from the Zacatecas State Human Rights Commission. Speaker 500:20:54These awards are a testament to the work done by our sites to be corporate and industry leaders in our communities. At Manto Verde, we are working with Esconza, Chile and Atacama Regional Government to provide desalinated water to the towns of Flamenco and Les Pissnas to meet all of their water needs. This is an important example of how mining companies can give back and improve the well-being of the communities in which we operate. At Pinto Valley, water supply wells have been converted from diesel powered to electric and in our mine fleet, we are working to replace diesel equipment with electric or lower emission equipment as replacements come due. And we have implemented a new dust suppression system that saved approximately 17,000,000 gallons of water last year. Speaker 500:21:50Initiatives like these will reduce our carbon footprint and improve our sustainability. In 2023, Cozamin published a biodiversity handbook based on a 2 year flora and fauna monitoring program, which provides the basis for estimating net losses and gains at the site. This handbook was shared with universities and schools as part of our environmental education program and helps to illustrate the delicate balance between human activity and wildlife preservation and how mining can coexist with nature. In 2024, Capstone will be developing a global biodiversity standard outlining our commitments related to biodiversity. All of our sites continued to support local community priorities during the Q4, highlighted by the removal of an 8,000 foot abandoned water pipe from National Forest Land in Arizona. Speaker 500:22:52And Mantos Blanco hosted an idea fair in Anafagasta with children and used to promote the themes of innovation, development and entrepreneurship, important skills to promote in our youth. And with that, I'd like to pass it back to John. Speaker 200:23:10Thanks, Wendy. Turning to Slide 18. We've outlined our sector leading growth plans and some of the additional upside within our portfolio. As can be seen, we expect MVDP at its full production run rate to bring us to a consolidated annual level of around 260,000 tons of copper at costs approaching close to $2 per pound. As Kassel mentioned, we plan to release a feasibility study for our Monteverde optimized project later this year, which is a low risk brownfield expansion that we think will unlock another 20,000 tons of copper per year with a highly attractive capital efficiency of $7,500 per ton of annual production. Speaker 200:23:56From there, we have a pathway to over 380,000 tons of copper production with a fully permitted Santo Domingo project, which is 35 kilometers from Monteverde, and we believe will create a world class mining district in Chile. Beyond that is further upside across our portfolio with underutilized SXEW capacity in Chile, another low risk brownfield expansion opportunity at Montes Blancos, the ability to unlock cobalt in our MVSD district. And lastly, we believe we can also create a world class mining district at our Pinto Valley mine in Arizona. On Slide 19, we highlight the timelines for some of the aforementioned studies and other milestones as we execute on our growth plans. Finally, I would like to highlight that we're on the cusp of a transformation of KapStone as we ramp up MONSAVARE, whilst delivering the studies that will define our next stage of growth. Speaker 200:24:58And with that, we're now ready to take questions. Operator00:25:03Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now conduct the question and answer session. Your first question comes from Orest Wowkodaw from Scotiabank. Your line is now open. Speaker 600:25:27Good afternoon. Congrats on completing the construction on the Manoverde sulfide. The question for casual, I mean, as you're I guess you're in 2nd month here of commissioning, where do you think is if you had to pick one area of the start up, where do you think the biggest risk is to meeting the timeline that you put out for ramp up? Speaker 400:25:52Yes. So the way obviously, the way we're doing it is we're doing sequential commissioning. The actual it's not that one area is at risk. It's that risk that exists in every single ramp up that I've been involved with and that I'm familiar with within the industry that you could run into problems that were baked in several years ago during the fabrication process. And that's why you have vendor affirmation on all these processes is that they ensure that their warranties are stable and good because their products are functioning as designed. Speaker 400:26:34So that process, the risk it would have, it typically adds a week here or a week there with the individual items that might be identified. But there's not really a massive risk otherwise. And one of the reasons I say that is, it's a rather simple process line. It's been proven time and again in some 6 mines that Asenco has commissioned in the past, including Carrapateena most recently, Minahusta, Constancia, Acadia East, Luana among and I might be missing a couple. But this is one line. Speaker 400:27:18They have done this in the past. It's led by their very experienced ramp up team, which is different from their construction team that have most recently done this, like I said, at Carrapateena and Minahusta. So we feel we're in very good hands. The other thing we have is we have our operators on-site also that are facilitating, monitoring and learning the process. 127 people have been employed, including the plant manager, his supervisors, the operators and the maintenance attain a very efficient and robust sort of commissioning process through this ramp up. Speaker 600:28:09So you're at this point, you're not seeing anything to get you overly concerned? Speaker 400:28:14No, no, not at all. Like I said in the in what I spoke about, the project and the update is we're just turning the 2 mills now under FLSmidth's supervision. So we tend to be able to start loading them with ball charges very shortly. So that's very good sign for us because that's really the most critical piece of equipment in the whole area. The rest we've undergone all the hydro testing, moving water around the whole process and plant site. Speaker 400:28:47And so then it's all about will it handle slurry. And those are pumps and pipes, and we're pretty certain with the design that Asanko has delivered to us. Speaker 600:28:57Okay. And just one quick follow-up, if I could. Do you still envision the CapEx for the optimization study or optimization work, the expansion to go to 45,000 tons a day at Mano Verde? Do you still expect that CapEx to be around $150,000,000 Speaker 400:29:13Yes. Yes, somewhere in that ballpark, I'd say. Speaker 300:29:17Thank you. No problem. Operator00:29:23Your next question comes from Ralph Profiti from 8 Capital. Your line is now open. Speaker 200:29:31Thanks, operator. Good afternoon. Speaker 700:29:35My question is on the challenges that you think you could possibly face in meeting that second half twenty twenty four cash cost guidance, right, that $1.45 to $1.75 And I'm just wondering if you're seeing in these early days any deviations, things like concentrate logistics or energy costs or other cost pressures versus when those guidance expectations were set? Speaker 200:30:05Yes. Thanks for the question, Ralph. I think at this stage, we're not seeing anything that makes us think any differently to what we put out in the guidance. I would sort of emphasize that the primary driver behind the cost reduction that we see in the second half is the ramp up of Montserveira. And the reason that the cost comes down is it just raises the percentage of high grade sulfide ore that we're processing across our business. Speaker 200:30:37We're almost doubling the grade of our sort of across our average portfolio as we bring Monteverde on, from 0.35% last year up to 0.6% sort of across the portfolio this year. And with that comes increased recovery. We get better recoveries out of the concentrators than we do after the leach plants. So those there are a few other things as well. So obviously there's sort of scale, there's throughput, but those are the sort of fundamental drivers behind the reduction in costs that we forecast. Speaker 200:31:16And I would also say that, it's really about sort of grade and recovery. We've already got 6,000,000 tons of sulfide ore stockpile at Monteverde. I would say there's been excellent reconciliation between our sort of block model and what we've actually mined. So I think at this stage, we don't see any reason to be deviating from the guidance we've given. Speaker 700:31:45Thanks, John. And maybe just a question for Raman. There's $75,000,000 in Monteverde capitalized stripping in 2024. And I presume that a lot of that is associated with sulfide ramp up. But just wondering how much does that fall off, if any? Speaker 700:32:02Is there significance to the fall off starting in 2025? And what's a good run rate for cap stripping at Mento Verde specifically? Speaker 300:32:11Yes. It's more of a function of the accounting, Ralph, like it's based on the obviously OXO, the order waste ratios and the accounting we're doing is different than the tech reports, which assume no deferred stripping capitalization. So that number can it's going to vary by year, but it will be in that ballpark of like 50 to 70 kind of going forward. And it's actually capitalized by pit. So it depends which it's not just what we're moving in the year for the total mine, it's by pit and there's multiple pits we're in. Speaker 300:32:42So even though we're mining in a particular pit for sulfides now, the same time we're actually stripping 2 more pits that we're going to mine the sulfides in from 3 years from now. So that's why you kind of see that run rate continue. Speaker 700:32:55That's very helpful. Yes, very helpful. Thanks everyone. Operator00:33:04Your next question comes from Dalton Baretto from Canaccord. Your line is now open. Speaker 800:33:12Great. Thanks very much and good afternoon guys. I wanted to ask about the upcoming Santodamino study. Presumably, you guys are getting close to the finish line here. And I'm just wondering, in addition to marking the market on the CapEx or the OpEx, what are some of the material differences, I guess, we can expect versus the existing feasibility study? Speaker 200:33:34Yes. Thanks, Nelson, for the questions. And I think I'll probably pass most of that across to Cassel to respond to. But I would say, it's looking in really good shape. I think we're sort of really excited about kind of the direction that it's headed in. Speaker 200:33:53I think, obviously, we did do a sort of original feasibility was done in 2018. So there's been sort of now 6 years of capital inflation that we've included since that time. But there were 2 other elements that have come into it. So the one is incorporating synergies with Monteverde and various infrastructure type synergies. And the other one was just relooking at the actual design itself, sort of design optimizations. Speaker 200:34:26I think we've been able to take out about 40% of the footprint, as a result of just more efficient design than was in previously. We've I think just with a bit more experience in our technical team about processing ores in that area, we've made some adjustments to the process flow sheet that certainly give us, I'd say, higher confidence in the actual process flow sheet itself, but also will perhaps not sort of lowering CapEx that will give significant benefits on the operating cost side in the future. So maybe with that just sort of passing across to cash flow just to add anything to that. Speaker 400:35:08Yes. There's been a real complete revamp on the design while maintaining the same critical footprint as required by the permit. Of course, this has its DL 600 and is a permitted plant. There's an opportunity we see here to increase throughput. Change in the flow sheet, John mentioned, the reduction in steel and concrete required based on the footprint. Speaker 400:35:35So we are being more capital efficient. And that's just using what Asanko has done for us at Mento Verde and some of their other plants here at Santo Domingo. With that being said, we're looking to bring in more tonnes, a little more of life of mine opportunity. We also noted that with the reevaluation of the resource itself, there's actually a little higher grade copper there than what we had previously thought due to density weighting. The iron ore, as you know, has a higher density and we weren't weighting it properly. Speaker 400:36:14So that's been a little modification that we believe will bring more copper sooner, for longer, I should say, over that a longer period of time where the copper grade dropped off maybe in year 6 or 7, we might get a couple more years out of it. So that's another sort of area of improvement. And then I think this will more break out the opportunity section within the feasibility study where we'll have a better idea and evaluation of what possibly some of the strip material. John mentioned the synergies, some of the oxide that's available to us in that strip material would never merit on its own an SX EW plant. However, Manto Verde has capacity as we know, and there's a real opportunity there, we believe, in the future to process that material. Speaker 200:37:10And the other one Speaker 400:37:11of course is our budding cobalt business. We're doing some pilot testing right now in Manfro Verde And we believe that Santo Domingo could provide considerable amount of feed to that processing plant that we might achieve at Manto Verde in the future. So it will outline among other things all those things. And I think one of the important things for the analyst community is it will have a refresh of a present and achievable capital cost estimates and also the returns we expect from that project. So it's a good time to update all those things. Speaker 400:37:52So we're really looking forward to completing it. Speaker 800:37:59Thanks, Kashal. And then just as a follow-up, I know the cobalt study is coming a little bit later, but just in terms of the JV process that you guys are running, is this study going to be enough to move that forward? Or are you going to wait until the cobalt study is done? Speaker 200:38:18So, Alberto, when you talk about the JV process? Speaker 800:38:22Yes, just the partnership on Santo Domingo. Speaker 200:38:25Bringing in a partner for Santo Domingo. Yes. Look, ultimately, I think the partner process will sort of require us to have the sort of completed feasibility study. I think within that study, as Kassel mentioned, is the base case, which I think you described well. And then on top of that are the opportunity sections. Speaker 200:38:47So I think those areas just the work on them started a little bit later than sort of the feasibility work that's been done on the rest of Santo Domingo. So there's a slightly longer time line to bring those to the same level of study and of confidence. But we're already quite some distance down the track. So I think those will certainly be sort of opportunities that we would be discussing with potential partners for Santo Domingo. Speaker 800:39:21Got it. Thanks, John. And maybe if I can just squeeze one last one in. John, can you talk a little bit about the rationale behind the recent equity raise? Speaker 200:39:30Yes, certainly. So when we I would say, 1st of all, we saw sort of in the markets sort of a relatively attractive sort of opportunity in terms of windows to raise certain amounts of funding at what seems to be a reasonable valuation. And what we've been doing is we're relatively conservative in terms of the way we approach our balance sheet. And what we've been doing is really holding back on a lot of expenditure that would sort of drive some really interesting future value. And the real reason for that is whilst we're sort of fully funded for the Montserve Ade project, I certainly don't want to be sort of spending money until we've actually sort of seen the ramp up, seen or sort of seen the project delivering the cash flow that we expect. Speaker 200:40:39However, that does mean that we've been holding back a little bit on some sort of really exciting opportunities. And just to sort of list some of those, we've got the northern section of Monteverde, we've got highly, highly prospective exploration targets that we believe could sort of significantly sort of increase the resource base for Monteverde. We've obviously got Monteverde optimized. And Kassel mentioned earlier, sort of a CapEx number of probably about $150,000,000 It's got a really short payback period, that project. And so the sooner we can do it, the better. Speaker 200:41:21And then also, as we approach sort of Santo Domingo thereafter, to me, sort of it's best practice to actually advance the detailed engineering of the project before one actually kind of gives full notice to proceed on the actual construction. It just gives you a much tighter confidence level in terms of kind of where your CapEx is going to be for the project. So this raise sort of facilitates our ability to execute on each of those things, which had we not done the raise, we would probably have been kind of keeping the brakes on for certainly a little bit longer. I would say there were on the other hand as well, part of it was the secondary sale by Orion. I think that's both with the primary and the secondary, we improved the liquidity in our stock. Speaker 200:42:21I think that's clearly sort of an objective of ours to do that. And then I think finally, when we looked at our shareholder register, there were quite a number of blue chip shareholders that sort of sort of blue chip funds that we saw on some of our competitors register and who were not on ours. And so one of the objectives was to facilitate the entry of some of those funds onto our register. And I think we were really pleased to see kind of the uptake by those funds. And we think in terms of our share register now, it's sort of looking in a good place. Operator00:43:16Your next question comes from Stefan Ioannou from Cormark Securities. Your line is now open. Speaker 900:43:25Hey, great. Thanks guys. Maybe just more of a curiosity from me with MVDP. Just curious, you mentioned you've got a good chunk of material now stockpiled and then also opened up in the open pit. Is the grade fairly variable or not or is it all mostly low grade material? Speaker 900:43:40I'm just curious as you do ramp up, do you have any flexibility on grade as you go through that process to play with? Speaker 400:43:47Yes, Stephen. Within the stockpiling strategy, they put some high grade and low grade. So they've separated out. So just with the normal ramp up process in the very beginning with very few tons, there's very little grade going through, obviously, because I dial in the flotation cells and those types of things. But after that, when we got the process going and things, we want to put through the high grade and that's available to us. Speaker 900:44:16Okay. So yes, you have access to both. Great. Okay. Thanks so much guys. Speaker 200:44:20Yes. Operator00:44:42There are no further questions at this time. Mr. John McKenzie, please continue. Speaker 200:44:48Thank you. So we look forward to updating you again in early May with our Q1 results. And until then, keep well and feel free to reach out to Gerald or Daniel if you have any further questions. Thank you for your continued support and have a good day. Operator00:45:06Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for joining. You may now disconnect.Read morePowered by