Teck Resources Q4 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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February 22, 2024

There are 15 speakers on the call.

Operator

thank you for standing by. Welcome to Teck's 4th Quarter 2023 Earnings Release Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in listen only mode. Later, we will conduct a question and answer session. This conference call is being recorded on Thursday, February 22, 2024.

Operator

I would now like to turn the conference call over to Fraser Phillips, Senior Vice President, Investor Relations and Strategic Analysis. Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Thanks Ariel. Good morning everyone. Thank you for joining us for Teck's Q4 2023 conference call. Please note today's call contains forward looking statements. Various risks and uncertainties may cause actual results to vary.

Speaker 1

TEC does not assume the obligation to update any forward looking statements. Please refer to slide 2 for the assumptions underlying our forward looking statements. In addition, we will reference various non GAAP measures throughout this call. Explanations and reconciliations regarding these measures can be found in our MD and A and the latest press release on our website. Jonathan Price, our CEO, will begin today's call with highlights from our Q4 and full year results.

Speaker 1

Prithal Prestea, our CFO, will follow the digital color on the quarter. Jonathan will then conclude today's session with a brief update on our key priorities and copper growth strategy, which will be followed by a Q and A session. With that, I will turn the call over to Jonathan.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Fraser, and good morning, everyone. We're starting on slide 4. We had a strong Q4 performance across our business. We advanced the ramp up of our QB operation, resulting in Teck's highest ever quarterly copper production. Adjusted EBITDA of $1,700,000,000 in Q4 and $6,400,000,000 for the year reflects robust prices for steelmaking coal on copper as well as higher steelmaking coal service volumes.

Speaker 2

Over the course of the year, strong profitability allowed us to return a total of $765,000,000 to shareholders by paying $515,000,000 in dividends and completing $250,000,000 in share buybacks, while continuing to strengthen our balance sheet through the repayment of US294 $1,000,000 of the QB2 project finance facility. In addition, the Board has approved the payment of our quarterly base dividend of $0.125 per share on March 28, and following the receipt of US1 $300,000,000 in proceeds on closing of the minority sales stake in our steelmaking coal business to Nippon Steel in January, the Board has authorized up to a $500,000,000 share buyback. This extends our track record of strong cash returns to shareholders with nearly $4,000,000,000 returned through the last 5 years. Now turning to our 2023 highlights on Slide 5. 2023 was a transformational year for Teck as we continue to advance each of the four pillars of our value creation strategy.

Speaker 2

In addition to the strong EBITDA we delivered, we reported higher copper production and sales than the previous year, driven by the addition of QB Operations. We also produced 23,700,000 tonnes of steelmaking coal, above guidance and higher than the previous year. As we progress the full sale of the steelmaking coal business, we were pleased to announce the closing of the sale of minority interest in EBR to Nippon Steel and POSCO on January 3rd. We progressed the ramp up of our QB operations and advanced path to value for our industry leading copper growth pipeline through joint partnerships at San Nicolas and Durace Copper Nickel and the receipt of regulatory approval for Zafranal. As mentioned earlier, we returned significant cash to shareholders in 2023, paying $550,000,000 in dividends as well as completing the $250,000,000 share buyback, acting opportunistically to utilize available free cash flow.

Speaker 2

Importantly, we have maintained a strong financial position with $7,900,000,000 of liquidity, including $2,500,000,000 in cash as of February 21st. We continue to strive for sustainability leadership and make steady progress against our sustainability goals. Our reported high potential incident frequency for the full year 2023 remained low at a rate of 0.14. We've made a significant move in modernizing our governance structure by introducing the sunset clause for the dual glass share structure. We're proud that all tech operated base metals operations have been awarded the copper mark or the zinc mark, and we've been named to the S and P Dow Jones Sustainability Index for the 14th consecutive year.

Speaker 2

Turning to QB on Slide 6. We remain focused on achieving reliable and consistent operations at QB. However, production was lower than planned in the Q4. Routine ramp up activities continued along with planned maintenance shutdown through the Q1, and we have had multiple periods of operating at or above design throughput capacity. Throughout 2024, we expect to see progressively stronger production from QB and expect full year copper and concentrate production to be between 230,275,000 tons.

Speaker 2

On the construction site, by the end of 2023, the molybdenum plant was substantially complete and commissioning it currently well underway. All in water works at the port have been successfully concluded, materially derisking our remaining construction. We are on track to finalize the construction of the offshore facilities at the port by the end of the Q1 and ramp up of the moly plant is expected to be completed by the end of the second quarter. As we look ahead, our QB2 project capital guidance of US8.6 dollars to $8,800,000,000 remains in place. Our guidance for QB net cash costs is US US1.95 dollars to US2.25 dollars per pound in 2024.

Speaker 2

QB unit costs are expected to remain elevated this year, particularly in the first half. This is driven by the cost of alternative logistics, no molybdenum production in the Q1 as the plant is being commissioned, continued ramp up and inflationary pressures, including increased Chilean energy costs. We will provide additional unit cost guidance when QB achieves steady state operational performance.

Speaker 3

And I

Speaker 2

will now hand it over to Crystal for additional color on the quarter.

Speaker 4

Thanks, Jonathan. Good morning, everyone, joining us today on the call. I'm going to start with the key drivers for our financial performance on Slide 8. Adjusted EBITDA in the 4th quarter increased compared to the same period last year, primarily driven by higher steelmakingcoal sales volumes, which were partially offset by lower steelmakingcoal and zinc prices, as well as higher unit costs across our operations, including elevated costs at QB as production ramp up continues. We continue to experience inflationary pressures in the cost of key supplies, including mining equipment and tires, and labor and contractors, as well as higher energy costs in Chile and changing diesel prices.

Speaker 4

These inflationary pressures impacted our unit costs in 2023 and we expect this to continue into 2024. As such, we have reflected inflation in our sustaining capital expenditures and our full year unit cost guidance ranges for 2024, which are unchanged. Our underlying mining drivers remain relatively stable and we continue to be highly focused on managing our controllable operating expenditures. Our 2024 annual guidance that we disclosed in January is unchanged across our business. Now turning each of our business units in more detail and starting with copper on slide 9.

Speaker 4

We achieved record copper production in the 4th quarter, which was 58% higher than last year. This increase was driven by the ramp up of QB operations adding 34,300 tons of copper and concentrate production, higher production from Highland Valley Copper as a result of increased mill throughput and higher production from Antonina due to higher grades. Cost of sales was higher year over year primarily due to the inclusion of QB operations in the year with costs elevated as production ramp up continued in the 4th quarter. As a result, gross profit before depreciation and amortization decreased compared to the prior year. On the sustainability front, we were pleased to announce that our QB and Carmen de Anapollo operations were awarded the copper mark in recognition of their environmentally and socially responsible operating practices, joining Highland Valley which was awarded the Copper Mark back in March of 2022.

Speaker 4

Looking ahead, copper production is expected to significantly increase in 2024 to between 465,000 to 540,000 tonnes as we expect increased production at QB and at Highland Valley Copper. Copper net cash unit costs are expected to be higher than 2023 as we incorporate QB costs, which are expected to be elevated in 2024, particularly in the first half of the year as ramp up continues. We also face ongoing inflationary impacts on the cost of certain key supplies including mining equipment, tires, labor and contractors. Moving now to our zinc business on slide 10. Despite lower year over year zinc prices, profitability in our zinc business unit was higher in the Q4 compared to a year ago.

Speaker 4

At Red Dog, zinc production increased by almost 30% and lead production increased by 41% from a year ago, both of which were driven by increased mill throughput and improved grades. We also saw improved results from our Trail operations as it returned to full production rates and benefited from higher contracted zinc premiums. These increases were largely offset by the 18% decrease in realized zinc prices and higher operating costs at our Red Dog operations, primarily due to higher energy costs. Increased operating costs at our Trail operations and at Red Dog were more than offset by substantially lower royalty costs at Red Dog. We were pleased to announce that Red Dog was awarded the Zinkmark in recognition of its strong environmental and social performance, continuing to demonstrate our sustainability leadership.

Speaker 4

As we look forward, Red Dog Zinc and Concentrate sales are expected to be between 7,008,500 tonnes in the first quarter, reflecting normal seasonality of sales. Total zinc and concentrate production is expected to be between 565,000 and 630,000 tons in 2024. Over the next 3 years production is expected to decrease due to declining grades at Red Hawk. Refined zinc production at Trail is expected to increase in 2024 as a result of improved concentrate availability. The cubesat boiler replacement will impact our lead circuit in the Q2 of 2024, but is expected to have minimal impact on our zinc circuit.

Speaker 4

Zinc net cash unit costs in 2024 are expected to be higher than 2023 due to the ongoing inflationary impacts on the costs of certain key supplies as noted previously. Turning now to steelmaking coal on slide 11. Gross profit before depreciation and amortization increased to $1,350,000,000 compared to just over $1,000,000,000 a year ago, primarily due to higher sales volumes and partially offset by lower steelmaking coal prices. While our realized prices in the quarter were 3% lower than the strong 4th quarter pricing last year, pricing remains robust and well above historical averages. Overall plant reliability and performance were strong in the quarter supported by improved plant availability at all sites and leading to production of 6,400,000 tons in the quarter.

Speaker 4

4th quarter sales volumes of 6,100,000 tons were driven by strong production rates and supported by logistics performance with the Q4 of 2022 impacted by a 2 month outage at our Elkview operations and extreme weather conditions. Adjusted site cash cost of sales per ton of $100 was higher than the last year due to lower capitalized stripping at Elkview when compared to the Q4 of 2022. We were pleased to announce an agreement with shipping company, Olandorff Carriers, to use wind propulsion technology intended to reduce CO2 emissions in shipping vessels and reduce Scope 3 emissions in our steelmaking coal supply chain consistent with our focus on sustainability. As we look at the year ahead, steelmaking coal sales are expected to be between 5,900,000 to 6,300,000 tonnes in the Q1. Production is expected to be between 24,026,000,000 tonnes in 2024 and to remain at these levels throughout 2025 to 2027.

Speaker 4

We expect ongoing inflationary cost impacts on certain key supplies to persist into 2024, which will impact adjusted site cash cost sales per ton and is reflected in our guidance. Turning to slide 12 and our capital allocation framework. Overall, our priority is to have a disciplined approach to the deployment of capital guided by our capital allocation framework. We aim to balance our growth with cash returns to shareholders while maintaining a strong balance sheet through the cycle. And I believe we can strike the right level of growth and returns to shareholders by consistently following this framework.

Speaker 4

We expect a meaningful decrease in our capital expenditures in 2024 with a reduction in committed growth capital as outlined on slide 13. We expect a reduction in total capital expenditures of approximately $1,200,000,000 in 2024 as we see a significant step down in QB2 development capital as the project nears completion. We will see a slight increase in sustaining capital as we complete the Kibset boiler repairs at Trail and reach peak capital spending for the Elkview Administration and Maintenance Complex project in our steelmaking coal business. Capitalized stripping costs in 2024 are expected to decrease from the peak in 2023. In 2024, growth capital, excluding QB2, will be prioritized on copper growth projects, particularly for HVC Mine Life Extension, San Nicolas, and Zaffranal.

Speaker 4

As we have previously disclosed, we do not expect to make a sanction decision on any growth projects in 2024, and we are focused on advancing these near term projects for possible sanctioning in 2025. Growth projects are required to deliver an attractive risk adjusted return and will compete for capital in line with our capital allocation framework. Turning now to our strong balance sheet and shareholder returns on slide 14. As Jonathan mentioned earlier, we are in a strong financial position with 7,900,000 in liquidity, including 2,500,000 in cash. We ended the year with a net debt to adjusted EBITDA ratio of 1.1 times and we remain focused on maintaining our investment grade credit metrics.

Speaker 4

Over the last 5 years, we have completed $2,500,000,000 in share buybacks and paid dividends totaling 1,400,000,000 demonstrating our commitment to balancing growth with returns to shareholders. The Board has approved further cash returns to shareholders this quarter, approving the quarterly base dividend of $0.125 per share payable on March 28th, and after receiving cash proceeds of US1 point $3,000,000,000 from the closing of the minority sale of our steelmaking coal business to NSE, the Board has approved has authorized a share buyback of up to 5 $100,000,000 Our capital allocation framework will inform how the Board will consider the proceeds from the sale of the steelmaking coal business as outlined on slide 50. In total, we are expecting to receive US9.6 billion dollars in cash proceeds, which includes 100 percent of the steelmaking coal cash flows until the transaction closes, which is expected to be no later than Q3 of this year. As we have already noted, US1.3 billion dollars was received from NSE in early January with up to US500 million dollars to be returned to shareholders via share buyback. With the remaining proceeds to be received, we will assess opportunities to reduce our gross debt and maintain or improve our credit metrics through the cycle, ensuring that we do that economically.

Speaker 4

We will also retain additional cash on the balance sheet to fund our near term copper growth opportunities and generate strong returns. We will pay our cash income tax payments in respect of the 20222023 fiscal years, which totaled just over 1,200,000,000 Canadian at the end of February of this year, and we will pay transaction related taxes of approximately US750 million dollars in early 2025. And finally, as we've previously stated, we expect a significant return to shareholders. The Board will determine the amount, form, and timing of these returns, which will be in addition to the $500,000,000 buyback authorized by the Board in relation to the NSE proceeds. Overall, the significant cash proceeds from this transaction will strengthen our balance sheet and ensure we are well capitalized to unlock the full potential of our base metals business, while delivering significant returns to shareholders.

Speaker 4

I'll now turn the call back over to Josh.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Crystal. So turning to slide 17 and our key priorities in 2024. As we mentioned, 2023 was a transformational year for TEC And to ensure we can continue to demonstrate our focus on value creation, we have set up several key priorities for 2024. We were very excited to announce an agreement for the full sale of our steelmaking coal business in November. Glencore will acquire a 77% controlling interest in EBR and become the operator of the Elk Valley Steelmaking Coal Mines.

Speaker 2

As we have discussed, we closed the sale of a minority interest in EBR to Nippon Steel at POSCO on January 3rd. Completion of the sale of our steelmaking coal business is one of our key priorities for this year and regulatory approvals are progressing. The significant cash proceeds from this transaction will strengthen our balance sheet and ensure we are well capitalized to unlock the full potential of our base metals business while balancing significant returns to our shareholders. As I mentioned earlier, we are also driving safe operational performance across our portfolio, and we have embedded known risks into our guidance to ensure we build confidence in our ability to deliver on our market commitments. At QBs, we are pushing hard to complete construction of the port and commissioning of the molybdenum plant in the first half of the year and to achieve consistent operating performance at design capacity.

Speaker 2

At the same time, we are advancing the development projects in our industry leading pipeline, which are foundational to our future growth. We will advance that growth in a disciplined way by following our capital allocation framework to ensure that our capital decisions are value maximizing to shareholders. Looking at Slide 18 and our priority to advance our copper growth in a disciplined way. This starts with completion of construction and ramp up at QB and driving performance across all operations. Adding continued the foundational technical work around our near term development projects, completing feasibility study, advancing engineering work and progressing project execution planning permitting.

Speaker 2

We are adapting our approach to project development to leverage lessons learned. With no project sanction decisions until 2025, we are taking the opportunity to undertake a detailed review of the QB2 project, utilizing third party expertise, such that we can embed relevant learnings into future projects. In the meantime, we are advancing the most important work in the near term to prepare for our potential sanctioning decisions in 2025. This means that all our projects must compete for capital with the rest of the business to ensure that we drive strong financial returns. And it is important to note that each of our near term development options are significantly smaller in scope and less complex than QB2.

Speaker 2

Ultimately, we will follow our disciplined capital allocation framework, focused on generating strong returns for shareholders, balanced with growth and maintaining a robust balance sheet in line with investment grade credit metrics. Slide 19 summarizes our native development options, which includes San Nicolas, Zafranal, QB Asset Expansion and the mine life extension at Highland Valley. This represents a portfolio of both greenfield and brownfield projects in stable and well understood jurisdictions. We continue to progress the optimal path to value for each of our assets. Significant work continues to advance each of these projects with a focus on de risking project delivery.

Speaker 2

We submitted the environmental permit for the HVC mine life extension to the British Columbia regulator in October 20 23 and finalized a Mexican environmental impact assessment for San Nicolas, which was submitted on January 25. And just last week, we received the modifications of environmental impact assessment approval of the mine life extension at Antamina. We're making progress across all our Neotem copper growth options and setting Teck up to progress these projects at the right time to generate significant value. Now moving to Slide 20, Teck remains committed to sustainability leadership. We continue to progress our sustainability strategy and are proving we can make a positive impact demonstrated by a number of achievements this past year.

Speaker 2

We are proud to have received copper mark and zinc mark at all tech operated base metal operations, an industry leading achievement, highlighting our commitment to sustainability and transparency at our operations to verify through 3rd party assurance. We've received a number of accolades this year for our sustainability performance, as previously mentioned, proving being named as a constituent of the Dow Jones Sustainability Index. And we have modernized our governance structure through the introduction of the sunset clause for the dual class share structure. We also remain committed to our long term goals of net 0 Scope 1 and 2 emissions by 2,050, net nature positive by 2,030, and collaborating with our communities and indigenous peoples with a commitment to working to achieve free, prior and informed consent for our mining activities. Of note, we were one of the first mining companies to make a commitment to support a nature positive future.

Speaker 2

We have implemented initiatives, including consuming and reclaiming at least 3 hectares for every 1 hectare we affect through mining, ensuring we protect and restore our landscapes and ecosystems for the benefit of all. So in conclusion on slide 21, KEP is committed to responsibly creating long term value for our shareholders and stakeholders. As an industry leading base metals producer with a strategy centered on copper growth, we are in a unique position to deliver significant value. We have current production from a premium portfolio of long life, high quality assets in stable, well understood jurisdictions, and we are focused on execution, driving excellence in performance across our operations and product delivery to ensure that we consistently deliver against our market commitments. We have a major near term copper growth through the ramp up of our flagship operation, QB in Chile.

Speaker 2

At the same time, we seek to unlock significant value upside potential from our industry leading copper growth portfolio. Importantly, we will pursue that growth in a disciplined way, following our capital allocation framework, balancing growth with returns to shareholders and maintaining a strong balance sheet through the cycle. And sustainability is core to who we are. Our sustainability leadership position is a competitive advantage. This strategy will ensure we will continue to responsibly generate significant value for shareholders and all stakeholders.

Speaker 2

With that, thank you. And that concludes our presentation for today. Operator, please open the line for questions.

Operator

Thank The first question comes from Orest Wowkodaw of Scotiabank. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Hi, good morning. With the quarter now more than half over, Jonathan, I'm wondering if you can give us an update on the Q1 operating performance at QB, specifically the mill of the plant. Are we starting to see more consistent throughput recoveries, etcetera? Can you give us an update?

Speaker 2

Yes. Thanks, Orest. As I mentioned, we're working through the ramp up phase for QB right now. It's in line with our expectations. We expect, of course, to progressively increase our copper production throughout the year to meet that guidance of 230,000 to 275,000 tonnes that we've previously communicated, and we're on track to do that.

Speaker 2

But I'll hand over to Shazan Barmal, our SVP of Base Metals who's responsible for the operations there just to give you a little more color.

Speaker 6

Thanks, Horst. We have worked through most of the issues that we had mentioned previously with respect to the conveyors and the pumps that we had mentioned previously. And we are currently operating at close to design throughput rates. We are often on certain days limited by some conveyor issues on 2 conveyors at the front end part of the plant near the primary crushers. And we are working through those issues and expect to have those resolved in the next month or so and get back to above design rates or end design rates.

Speaker 6

On the recovery side, again, in January February so far, we are close to design rates and we are a little bit below. And we are actively working through this as we bring more stability to the front end of the plant. So the consistency that we have seen over the last month or so has helped us improve our recoveries and we continue to work through that to get to our design grades.

Speaker 5

Thanks, Shazak. I just have a follow-up.

Speaker 7

Yes, fair enough. Is

Speaker 5

the plan to basically have QB operating at consistent throughput recoveries, etcetera, call it sort of some, I guess, midway through the Q2? Is that the way to think about it?

Speaker 2

Look, I mean, I think this is the ramp up of the facility. As I said, we will progressively deliver increased copper production throughout the course of the year. Of course, we're assuming exactly what you're saying, that stability and operating at design throughput rates. But this is a ramp up process. It will take some time to land, but we're confident in the guidance that we put forward and expect the delivery of copper to improve through the course of the year to deliver against that guidance.

Operator

Our next question comes from Liam Fitzpatrick of Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

Speaker 8

Hi there. Liam Fitzpatrick from Deutsche Bank. So just the first one on the balance sheet structure post EVR. Just wondering if you could give us more of a steer in terms of what sort of balance sheet you're targeting as we move into 2025. I know you've mentioned this one times EBITDA as a target level, but it seems unlikely that you're going to take leverage up that high.

Speaker 8

So is it a small net debt position? Is it a small net cash position? Any kind of guidance on that would be helpful.

Speaker 2

Yes. I'll hand you over to Kristal to talk to that. I mean, the one thing I would remind is that that is the sort of long term position we're targeting here as we receive the proceeds and how we allocate them in the subsequent years. But Crystal, if you want to provide some more color.

Speaker 4

Yes, of course. Thank you. I think it's consistent with what we've been articulating in relation to reducing our gross debt levels from where they are today. I think there is an opportunity for us to do that. We'll look across our debt stack when we think about that.

Speaker 4

We obviously want to do that in an economic way. So in relation to some of the public notes we have there's make whole premium, so we want to be deliberate in how we think about that. We are committed to that investment grade credit metrics, as Jonathan said, through the cycle. 1.0 times net debt to adjusted EBITDA. We aren't necessarily focused on a set leverage level, but rather really focus on that ratio.

Speaker 8

Okay, thank you. And if I could ask one follow-up just on potential M and A versus organic opportunities. So you've clearly got a number of internal options that you think are very interesting that you're hoping to progress in 2025. Is that enough to keep you occupied or are you also on the lookout for potential external opportunities?

Speaker 2

Yes, Liam, I mean given what we have in the portfolio already, we're not sure of things to do. As we've just discussed, we're very focused on the ramp up stabilization and full production from QB this year. We've got then a tranche of projects which should be subject to engineering, economics and permitting ready for sanctioning in 2025, including the HBC Life Extension, San Nicolas and Zafranal. So there's a lot to be getting on with there. And as we've always said, we want to balance that investment in growth with return of capital to shareholders.

Speaker 2

So we'll continue to focus on those things that are entirely within our control and delivering that future growth that we've been talking to.

Operator

Our next question comes from Timna Tanners of Wolfe Research. Please go ahead. We're

Speaker 2

on mute, Timna.

Speaker 9

Oh, nope. I just didn't hear you. Hey, good morning. How's everyone doing?

Speaker 2

Yeah good thanks

Speaker 1

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Speaker 9

Okay. So I want to ask a little bit more about the expansion projects. I know at one point you had a permit for further QB opportunities and just want to know the updated thinking there. And then regarding Zacatecas San Nicolas, the leadership in Mexico is looking into banning open tip mining, and just wondered how that affects that project or if you how you're looking at that?

Speaker 2

Yes. So starting with QB and future expansions of that facility, the We have an incredible ore body there. It's very, very long life. It clearly will enable future expansions of capacity for QB and still something that we can run as a multi generational assays. Our immediate priority, as I said, is getting the current plant fully ramped up and operating and then really exploring the full potential of that facility in terms of what additional capacity we can get through optimizing what we already have before we make any further commitment to any significant capital expenditure at the site.

Speaker 2

Medium term, very much expect us to continue to pursue larger scale expansions of that operation. But with what we have at St. Nicholas, Saffron Island and the life extension of HPC, we have a fairly full dance card in the immediate term and we'll focus on that in terms of our major capital deployment. But asset optimization studies for the medium and long term at QB are ongoing. For your second question just around some of the moving pieces we've seen in Mexico of late, really as they relate to constitution.

Speaker 2

I'll hand you over to Tyler Mitchelson, who's our Senior Vice President of

Speaker 10

Common Growth. Hi, Tim. Yeah, we're closely monitoring an assessment and assessing the proposed changes to the constitution. There's more than 20 proposed obviously the ones around open pit mining, water consumption are the key ones. We've been working with our fellow industry players as well as CAMEMEX, the Chamber of Mines in Mexico to really understand what is the pathway forward.

Speaker 10

Given where we are right now, it's 4 months to the main general election at the parliament actually closes on April 30th. So it's really too early to determine whether or not these will be approved in the timeframe they're going to be approved and as well what the ultimate impacts will be as we go forward. You put it in the context of some of the largest mines in Mexico right now and some of the most successful mining companies to use open pit mining. So it's obviously a very significant impact, but we're continuing to monitor it through the next months.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Dawn.

Speaker 9

Makes sense. Thank you. I got my 2 in, so I'll pass it along. Thank you again.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Timna.

Operator

Our next question comes from Dalton Baretto of Canaccord Genuity. Please go ahead.

Speaker 11

Thank you. Good morning, Jonathan and team. Jonathan, on the Glencore call, Gary was asked about synergies between Koyahuasi and QB2. And in response, he talked about a number of work streams and he sort of alluded to 1,000,000,000 in synergies. I'm just wondering if you can comment on sort of where those synergies are coming from, some of the work that's ongoing and maybe when we can see an update and where QBME fits into all of that?

Speaker 11

Thanks.

Speaker 2

Yes. Thanks for the question, Dalton. We, along with the other parties here, are doing detailed technical evaluation of the potential synergies between QB and Cola Hoaase. We haven't quantified those yet. And those synergies could take a number of forms all the way from being infrastructure related to, you know, optimizing across, you know, 2 very significant ore bodies, in that area.

Speaker 2

You know, it's it's complex. You know, it will take time, in particular, because there's a large number of counterparties involved in this. But, you know, engagement is ongoing. We're working together to identify the opportunity here. And, you know, we'll update in due course, you know, as we as we get closer to landing that that technical evaluation and, of course, you know, if and when we get closer to to agreeing terms with other parties.

Speaker 2

As I mentioned before, the the focus for us right now is and then must be on the ramp up of QB2 and optimizing the operation that we already have. The intersection with something like the QB mill expansion, as you referenced, as I said, we are looking at future asset optimization opportunities, which include debottlenecking in the short term and could include project expansions in the medium term. And of course, if there were to be any agreement or commercial arrangement between the parties, then that would have to factor in future expansion opportunities on both sides, course, at QB2 and Kollawase. But we're not at that point yet, Dalton. It's there's a lot of work to be done.

Speaker 2

These things are complicated, but you know, we're committed to understanding the value potential there and working constructively and collaboratively with the other parties.

Speaker 11

Great. Thank you. And then maybe if I can ask one more. Just on the Glencore transaction in the coal business, can you give us an update on where you're at in the regulatory approvals process and whether you've seen anything that gives you concern at all?

Speaker 2

Look, so that process is continuing. We expect that we will receive the required approvals, being both the Investment Canada approvals and the antitrust approvals. Nothing that gives us cause for concern, Dalton, that we're seeing. These things just take time. We're working through that process, and we still expect this to close no later than the Q3 of this year.

Operator

Our next question comes from Carlos De Alba of Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Speaker 12

Thank you very much. Good morning, everyone. So maybe I'll just follow-up on the prior question. Any more specific color, Jonathan, that you can provide on what approvals you have already received and which ones are still pending for closing the deal, the call transaction?

Speaker 2

Look, I mean, the one of the key ones here, of course, is the Investment Canada Act approval and that remains outstanding with respect to the various antitrust approvals across a range of jurisdictions. We've received some of those and some of those remain outstanding. So as I said, I think things are progressing in the normal course and we remain confident that this closes not related in the Q3.

Speaker 12

All right. Thanks. And then on QB2 cost strength, I understand that you're going to provide further guidance once the production is stabilized at a steady state. But how do you see at least from currently, how do you see the trends of the costs moving once you get the steady state? So the cost guidance for the next 3 years is a little bit wide.

Speaker 12

Should we assume that you only expect to get to the lower end of that 3 year guidance by the 3 year production guidance period? Or maybe that's just conservative and you could achieve a lower more sustainable cost earlier than the 3rd year of that period?

Speaker 2

Yes. Carlos, look, I think there are a few things here that are clearly within our control that should see us improve the unit cost profile at QB and they are of course getting our own port up and running so we can move away from the temporary logistics arrangement to the permanent solution. Of course, there's also getting the molybdenum plants up and running at full production given the byproduct credits we will get from that. And of course, then there's getting the main circuit running at full production so we get that full dilution effect on costs. So all of those three things as we progress, we'll see unit cost improve.

Speaker 2

So even as we move through this year, we would expect cost in the second half of the year to be better than in the first half of the year. There are of course some factors that are less within our control. The inflationary environment is one of the impact that that could have on labor costs. And the other part of that is just energy costs in Chile, which we've signaled as being higher than previously. And then of course, we need to see how those things progress.

Speaker 2

So we do we've put our guidance 2024. That guidance reflects the phase of ramp up that we're in today, and it reflects some of the areas that I just reflected, which we will resolve through the course of this year. So we expect lower costs in future, but of course, we haven't guided to those yet, and we'll have a much clearer view of that once operations are stabilized.

Operator

Our next question comes from Lawson Winder of Bank of America Securities. Please go

Speaker 3

ahead. Great. Thank you very much, operator, and thank you for the update today, Jonathan and team. On I wanted to ask about Antamina and then hopefully follow-up on QB2. But on Antamina, given the Teck is just one partner of several in the JV, what is the risk that Teck will have to make an allocation decision on there prior to 2025?

Speaker 3

And what is driving the timeline at Antamina in terms of an expansion decision or extension decision? Thanks.

Speaker 6

I'll hand over to Trishta on that one. Thanks, Wasson. So as you as you would have read that we did get the MEIA approval for the mine life extension from 2028 to 2,036 and that is really expansion of waste facilities and tailings facilities in the location that they are. So between now and then 2036, that mine life extension, all the permits are in place and some capital 2036 extensions and and expansions, the all the parties are looking at that right now. We are working on that.

Speaker 6

We're looking at permitting strategies for that. And that will be a few years before we'll have some definitive project definition on those. So at this point, we're focused on getting that to 2,036 from 2028, which we were very happy to achieve the permit.

Speaker 3

Okay. Yes, that's great. Thanks. That's very clear. And then with QB2, I mean, you noted a very material increase in the copper resources at QB2.

Speaker 3

How does that influence the thinking on what the next expansion might be? Does it suggest that it could be something much bigger than the prior QB ME mill expansion concept of a 50% increase? Thanks.

Speaker 2

Not necessarily, Paul. I mean, I think the resource there was always very, very large and now it's very, very, very large. So it doesn't necessarily impact our short term thinking around how we would expand this. We'll be very focused on the capital intensity of the next expansion here where we look to maximize you know unutilized capacity and desalination in pipelines etcetera. And what it means, of course, is we have far greater optionality in the long term, which is a fantastic position to be in, but it doesn't really change that short term thinking.

Speaker 2

The focus on capital intensity and returns will be at the front of mind for us.

Operator

Our next question comes from Lucas Pipes of B. Riley Securities. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Thank you very much, operator. Good morning, everyone. My first question is on Slide 13 of the deck, which breaks out the CapEx over the last couple of years and into 2024. And sustaining capital and capitalized stripping in 2023, 2024 kind of step up from those 2020, 2022 averages. And trying to understand better what's going on here.

Speaker 7

Is that a catch up from the pandemic? Is there something cyclical? Are there unique projects that have elevated this temporarily? Just trying to get a better sense of or is it mostly inflation? We'd really appreciate to get a better sense of those drivers.

Speaker 7

Thank you.

Speaker 2

Yes. Thanks, Lucas. I'll hand you to Crystal on that.

Speaker 4

Thanks, Lucas. I think sort of primary driver that I would focus on would be inflation. I think there we did see from that sort of 2020 to sort of I guess really now a significant increase in the underlying costs that we're driving our sustaining capital as well as our operating costs. So I think that is a key piece. In relation to capitalist stripping, I would just say in our whole business we were moving into new mining areas in 2023 and you saw those costs being elevated in that year, I guess 202223 and that's you know coming off in our guidance for 2024.

Speaker 4

There are also a couple of projects that are larger in the coal business. The LPU Administration and Maintenance complex is a large project in, started up in 2023. The elevated costs in 2024 as we reach peak spending on that project. And then I'd say the last point in what's included in sustaining capital is obviously we now have QV sustaining capital included in our figures. So those are some of the bigger items, but I think inflation would be probably one of the largest drivers.

Operator

And we can

Speaker 4

get you a bit more in some of the finer detail if you give Fraser a call after.

Speaker 7

That would be helpful. On Slide 24, you show the kind of copper production through 2027. And you anticipate a plateau in 2025 and the decline after that mostly really driven by Highland Valley. With the spending at Highland Valley today, is there any potential for a more sustained production level off of 2025? Or is that really the outlook through 'twenty seven the best base case even with the spending taking place today?

Speaker 7

Thank you.

Speaker 2

Yes, I'd say not within that period, Lucas. This is how we see the current mine plan progressing. The capital that we'll be putting to work is subject to returns, of course, for the life extension of HPC, we'll really see the production pick up in forward years, but I wouldn't expect to see any material impact on the guidance that we put out here.

Operator

Our next question comes from Bill Peterson of JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Speaker 13

Yes. Hi. Good morning, everyone, and thanks for taking the questions. You've discussed and just now actually again about the returns framework for the next stage of growth projects, including learnings in QB2. But I guess on the other side, I guess how should we think about the demand and pricing environment necessary for tech to sanction both projects, especially considering what is looking increasingly looking like a tightening supply environment?

Speaker 2

Yeah. Thanks, Bill. I mean, yeah, we do see a tightening supply environment and we think, you know, even as we progress through this year, the outlook for copper pricing could be very constructive. We've seen the shortness of concentrate and the impact that that's had on TCRCs. And we expect at some point that to flow through into refined metal and hence headline copper pricing.

Speaker 2

Of course, each of the projects will have its own unique economics based on the capital, the operating costs and the volumes associated with those mines. They will all need to compete for capital. We will be very returns focused in terms of the decisions that we take here. And of course, the copper price will be a key determinant of that. But as I said, we remain very confident in the copper price certainly in the medium term, but even now in the short term based on the dynamics we see playing out in the market.

Speaker 13

Okay. Thanks for that. And I guess on that call, I guess, obviously, maybe only relevant for a few more quarters. But can you give us your thoughts on the outlook for that segment and latest developments you're seeing both on the supply and demand side globally?

Speaker 2

Yes. I'll ask Ian Anderson, our Chief Commercial Officer to talk about.

Speaker 14

Thank you very much for the question, Bill. You know I'd start just with where we're at in terms of overall steel consumption and production during the course of the year. Global steel production was flat at about 1,850,000,000 tonnes, really representing about where it was last year. And really you saw that taper off at the end of the year as a result of Chinese production. It rapidly dropped and we're uncertain about that number.

Speaker 14

So that was one of the factors. At the same time, Indian crude production went up by about 11.8 percent and that was offset by some small declines in EU, Japan and South Korean markets. So you know, overall, if you look back over the course of the year, the high quality steel made coal price exceeded $2.95 per tonne, it really rose at the end of the year when we saw it up to about $3.15 and there's two factors that drove that. First of all, tightened supply mostly in Australia and secondly, heightened demand from India and China primarily. So you know what we've seen in terms of Australian supply is key miners including some of our peers there have adjusted their production guidance down in 2024.

Speaker 14

Chinese domestic production is of course going a bit deeper than it has in the past. And Russian coals, even though they've come in to fill the gap, have been lower quality and not as good. So we've not really seen investment in terms of hard coking coal supply and we think that really promises a future price increase. Thank you.

Operator

I will now hand the call back over to Jonathan Price for any closing remarks.

Speaker 2

Yes. Thanks, operator, and thanks to everyone for joining us today. As we talked about, we're very excited about the prospects here for 2024 and beyond. We're looking forward to the completion of the transaction with Glencore. We're looking forward to updating you then on how we intend to allocate the proceeds, including shareholder returns.

Speaker 2

And we remain very focused on the ramp up and stability of QB and progressing and derisking the future pipeline of projects that we have. As always, please reach out to Fraser and the IR team if you have any more detailed questions. But thank you all very much and have a good day.

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. You may disconnect your lines. Thank you for participating and have a pleasant day.

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