NASDAQ:BLMN Bloomin' Brands Q4 2023 Earnings Report $8.01 -0.39 (-4.64%) As of 05/20/2025 04:00 PM Eastern Earnings HistoryForecast Bloomin' Brands EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.75Consensus EPS $0.69Beat/MissBeat by +$0.06One Year Ago EPS$0.68Bloomin' Brands Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$1.19 billionExpected Revenue$1.20 billionBeat/MissMissed by -$3.06 millionYoY Revenue Growth+9.10%Bloomin' Brands Announcement DetailsQuarterQ4 2023Date2/23/2024TimeBefore Market OpensConference Call DateFriday, February 23, 2024Conference Call Time8:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsBloomin' Brands' Q2 2025 earnings is scheduled for Tuesday, August 5, 2025, with a conference call scheduled at 8:15 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Annual Report (10-K)SEC FilingEarnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Bloomin' Brands Q4 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrFebruary 23, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 14 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Greetings, and welcome to the Bloomin' Brands Fiscal 4th Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A brief question and answer session will follow management's prepared remarks. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Tara Kurian, Vice President, Corporate Finance and Investor Relations. Thank you. Operator00:00:21Ms. Kurian, you may begin. Speaker 100:00:24Thank you, and good morning, everyone. With me on today's call are David Deno, our Chief Executive Officer and Chris Meyer, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. By now, you should have access to our fiscal Q4 2023 earnings release. It can also be found on our website at www.blumonbrands.com in the Investors section. Throughout this conference call, we will be presenting results on an adjusted basis. Speaker 100:00:53An explanation of our use of non GAAP financial measures and reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP measures appear in our earnings release on our website as previously described. Before we begin formal remarks, I'd like to remind everyone that part of our discussion today will include forward looking statements, including a discussion of recent trends. These statements are subject to numerous risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ in a material way from our forward looking statements. Some of these risks are mentioned in our earnings release. Others are discussed in our SEC filings, which are available at www.sec.gov. Speaker 100:01:33During today's call, we'll provide a brief recap of our financial performance for the fiscal Q4 2023, an overview of company highlights and current thoughts on fiscal 2024 guidance. Once we've completed these remarks, we'll open the call up for questions. With that, I would like to now turn the call over to David Deno. Speaker 200:01:54Well, thank you, Tara, and welcome to everyone listening today. As noted in this morning's earnings release, adjusted Q4 2023 diluted earnings per share was $0.75 This compares to $0.68 in Q4 2022, reflecting a growth of 10% year over year. Combined U. S. Comparable sales were down 20 basis points. Speaker 200:02:15Our Q4 and 2023 results were largely in line with expectations. Importantly, we had a sequential U. S. Comp sales and traffic improvement from Q3 into Q4. And within Q4, a softer October was offset by progressively improving comp sales ending with the strong holiday season. Speaker 200:02:32Before we discuss 2024 and more specifically our plans at Outback Steakhouse, I would like to recognize 2 businesses that had outstanding results in 2023, Carrabba's in Brazil. Carrabba's continues to take share versus the industry. Carrabba's posted comp sales growth of 3.9% and positive traffic growth for the year. In 2023, Carrabba's outperformed the industry in sales by 90 basis points and in traffic growth by 300 basis points. They continue to demonstrate strength, specifically in their off premises channel and growing catering business. Speaker 200:03:04Providence Bistro, which we launched in 2023, is a lunch focused catering option featuring our wide variety of sandwiches that reflect Crava's Italian heritage. It is now offered in our restaurant as a compelling launch offer, either within the restaurant or to go. Bistro continues to outperform expectations. Brazil had another great year with significant growth in sales and profits. This is especially impressive given the lapping of pent up demand in 2022. Speaker 200:03:32We continue to expand this business throughout the country and open 18 new restaurants in 2023. We look forward to capitalizing our leading position and doubling our restaurant footprint in the coming years. Our 2023 results would not have been possible without our great teams in the restaurants and in our restaurant support center. Thank you for delivering outstanding hospitality and excellent service to our guests. As we move forward, we remain focused on the strategic priorities that are making us a stronger, leaner operations centered company. Speaker 200:04:01These priorities include: 1st, driving in restaurant same store sales growth, which remains our top priority, especially at Outback 2nd, increasing new restaurant openings while refreshing our existing assets 3rd, maintaining our off premises momentum. 4th, becoming a more digitally driven company. And finally, investing in technology to improve infrastructure and drive growth while preserving margins. Our primary focus remains improving in restaurant sales and traffic at Outback. We've done a lot of work to better understand our ever evolving post COVID customer. Speaker 200:04:36We believe we have a better idea of who our customer is and as a result we continue to sharpen our brand positioning. The first step of this effort was to launch Outback's No Rules Just Right campaign. This was built in our brand equity and heritage and it brings back the adventure and irreverence as expected from Outback. I especially like the just right part of that phrase as it reinforces the food and service promise to our customers. In addition, we spent more on marketing and advertising in 2023 to improve our share of voice in a highly competitive marketplace. Speaker 200:05:06During Q4, we saw a positive response to our additional marketing spend. We plan to increase our 2024 spending by approximately $20,000,000 This investment will improve our share of voice and build traffic utilizing a blend of television and high return digital tactics. The advertising highlights new menu innovation, accessible price points and great value. We also recognize the consumer may be more careful with their discretionary spending. Our current LTO, a 3 course Aussie dinner for $16.99 offers the customer a great value. Speaker 200:05:36We will continue to be thoughtful of our approach to overall pricing and discounting. The No Rules Just Right campaign and the marketing investment are just the start of the work underway at Outback. There'll be more to unveil on our strategy at Outback in the coming quarters. Since we are going to spend more on marketing in 2024 at Outback, we must make sure our operations are best in class. We will continue to focus on delivering a differentiated guest experience, specifically improved service and consistently great food. Speaker 200:06:03We are solving this through investments in technology such as server handheld new ovens and grills, as well as relentlessly focusing on key operational behaviors. As a result of this work, our internal customer measures have meaningfully improved. A couple of key leading indicators that we track are stake accuracy and consistency of experience. Over the last year, stake accuracy is up 400 basis points and consistency of experience is up 700 basis points. This progress is further validated by casual dining industry metrics, which have continued to improve. Speaker 200:06:36Friendly service and food quality are now 303.60 basis points ahead of our casual dining peers respectively. We are confident in the strategy at Outback and it is working. In 12 of the last 14 weeks, Outback has beaten the industry in comp sales growth. Based on recent trends, we expect to see OpEx perform above the industry and this is reflected in our guidance. On to our second priority, new unit development and improving our asset base. Speaker 200:07:03We are upgrading our assets through new openings, relocating and remodeling restaurants. We opened 6 new domestic units in 2023 and are on track to nearly triple that in 2024. We know that upgrading our assets is a big part of improving our traffic trends, especially at Outback. Our development pipeline for new restaurants remains very robust. We are opportunistic on relocations and continue to see outside sales lift on these investments. Speaker 200:07:27We successfully completed over 100 green miles in 2023 and we'll continue to work our way through the system in 2024. Our development efforts provide a runway for future growth, offer good returns and are a key part of our strategy. The last priority I'll discuss today is our leading off premises channel. The business has more than doubled since 2019 and currently represents 24% of our U. S. Speaker 200:07:49Sales. We were pioneers in the to go space and we continue to see robust demand in this highly incremental location. In addition, the success of our catering business at all of our brands, but particularly Carrabba's provides a runway for future growth. Next, let me comment on our restaurant closure initiative. We periodically review our asset base and in our latest review we made the decision to close 41 underperforming locations. Speaker 200:08:12The majority of these restaurants were older assets with leases from the 90s early 2000s. This decision considered a variety of factors including sales and traffic, trade areas and the investments that would have to be made to improve the restaurants. Despite this initiative, our confidence in our portfolio remains high as we plan to open 40 to 45 new 24. These are promising trade areas with great potential. It's critical to add that these closures are not a reflection of the hard work of our team members. Speaker 200:08:40As always, we'll take care of our people, offering many the opportunity to transfer to another restaurant and severance for those who do not. Importantly, the sales growth initiatives I described are supported by a solid foundation with healthy margins, robust cash flow and a strong balance sheet. This strength gives us the ability to invest in new unit development, technology enhancements and asset improvements while meeting our commitments. We remain dedicated to delivering great food and experience for our guests while building a strong business that will continue to thrive for many years to come. Before I turn the call over to Chris, I just wanted to comment on the 8 ks we sent out this morning regarding Chris' retirement from Bloomin' Brands. Speaker 200:09:16Chris has been a great partner to me the last 5 years as CFO. He has made many, many contributions to our company and he will be missed. The company is considering various options for his replacement. Chris is expected to continue in his current role until such a time as successor is named and otherwise assist in the transition. Chris, thank you for everything you have done for the company and for me. Speaker 200:09:38Over to you to discuss our financial performance and 2024 guidance. Speaker 300:09:43Thanks Dave for the kind words. It's been a privilege working with you and serving as our CFO for the last 5 years. I would like to start by providing a recap of our financial performance for the fiscal Q4 of 2023. Total revenues in Q4 were $1,190,000,000 which was up 9% from 2022. This was primarily driven by an additional $83,500,000 of revenue from our 53rd week, favorable foreign exchange translation and the net impact of restaurant openings and closures. Speaker 300:10:14U. S. Comparable restaurant sales came in just slightly below our expectations at negative 20 basis points. This reflects a comparable 14 week view versus 2022. Traffic in Q4 was down 3.1 percent, which represented a 160 basis point improvement in traffic from Q3. Speaker 300:10:34Average check was up 2.9% in Q4 versus 2022. As we mentioned in our prior calls, check average benefit decreased steadily throughout the year as we chose not to replicate the amount of menu pricing that had been taken in 2022. We remain very cautious about taking additional menu pricing particularly at Outback. Q4 off premises was approximately 24% of total U. S. Speaker 300:10:59Sales. Importantly, the highly incremental third party delivery business was 13% of total U. S. Sales, which was up from 12% in Q3, driven by our growth in catering. As it relates to other aspects of our Q4 financial performance, GAAP diluted earnings per share for the quarter was $0.45 versus $0.61 of diluted earnings per share in 2022. Speaker 300:11:22Adjusted diluted earnings per share was $0.75 versus $0.68 of adjusted diluted earnings per share in 2022. The primary difference between GAAP and adjusted diluted earnings per share is due to restaurant closing and asset impairment costs related to our restaurant closure initiative. Q4 adjusted restaurant level operating margins were 15.9% versus 16.8% last year. The reduction in restaurant margin from last year was driven by a couple of factors. First, as we mentioned on the last call, in Q4, we were lapping significant beef favorability from 2022. Speaker 300:12:02This lapping coupled with a smaller benefit from average check did not allow us to leverage the COGS line like we had throughout the 1st 3 quarters of 2023. 2nd, inflation levels remained somewhat elevated in Q4 and drove additional year over year margin unfavorability. Labor inflation was up 4.4% in Q4 and restaurant operating expense inflation was up 4.7%. Total company adjusted operating income margin was 7.5% in Q4 compared to 8.2% in 2022. Depreciation expense and general and administrative expense were both up in Q4 consistent with our increased levels of capital spending and our investments in infrastructure to support growth. Speaker 300:12:48As it relates to the 53rd week, we estimate that the benefit from the extra week was worth $0.16 of diluted EPS to our 2023 results. The week between Christmas and New Year's includes many of our busiest days of the year and this is reflected in the large EPS amount from this week. The operating margin for the 53rd week is higher than our normal operating margin because some of our fixed expenses such as rent and depreciation are recorded on a monthly basis and were not allocated to the 53rd week. Turning to our capital structure, total debt was $786,000,000 at the end of Q4. We have worked very hard coming out of COVID to reduce our debt levels and are pleased that our lease adjusted leverage ratio is solidly below our goal of 3 times with significant levels of liquidity. Speaker 300:13:38In terms of share repurchases, we repurchased 2,800,000 shares of stock in 2023 for $70,000,000 As indicated in this earnings earnings release, the board has canceled the existing $125,000,000 authorization and approved a new $350,000,000 authorization expiring in August of 2025. This is a larger authorization than we would normally put in place. The purpose of the authorization is twofold. 1st, $150,000,000 of this authorization allows us to continue to repurchase a typical volume of shares over the next 18 months. 2nd, our convertible bond matures in May of 2025. Speaker 300:14:22The remaining $200,000,000 of this authorization allows for flexibility to retire the convert sometime between now and next May. There are a number of ways to structure a potential transaction and these additional dollars give us the flexibility to retire the remaining $105,000,000 of principal on the convert and remove the dilution from the convert that currently exists in our share count. In our 2024 guidance, we are assuming approximately 4,000,000 shares related to the convert are included in our adjusted EPS calculation. The board also declared a quarterly dividend of $0.24 a share payable on March 20. Before I turn to 2024, I wanted to remind everyone that our full year 2023 adjusted results include the benefits from the Brazil tax legislation in the 53rd week. Speaker 300:15:15The Brazil tax legislation benefit was worth approximately $0.26 and the 53rd week was worth approximately $0.16 On a comparative 52 week basis, our 2023 adjusted diluted earnings per share result was $2.51 Now turning to our 2024 and Q1 guidance. We expect the full year U. S. Comparable restaurant sales to be flat to 2% on a comparable calendar basis. Adjusted diluted earnings per share are expected to be between $2.51 $2.66 We expect commodities inflation to be between 3% 4% driven in large part by beef inflation. Speaker 300:16:01We expect our full year tax rate assumption to be between 14% 16%. Capital expenditures are expected to be between $270,000,000 $290,000,000 Our level of capital spending accelerated late in 2023 as our new restaurant pipeline has grown. The 2024 capital plan includes dollars to support approximately 40 to 45 new restaurant openings, including significant Q4 spending for 2025 openings, as well as ongoing funding of remodel, relocation and infrastructure projects. The 53rd week in 2023 creates some complexity in comparing year over year results both for the full year and by quarter. Each fiscal quarter of 2024 will be comparing to a fiscal quarter from 2023 that includes a 1 week shift. Speaker 300:16:56This shift is especially impactful in the Q1. Please refer to the fiscal and comparable calendar dates table provided in our earnings release this morning to help you better understand our 2024 calendar. As it relates to the Q1, similar to the rest of the industry, we experienced negative impacts from weather in the 1st few weeks of the year. This represents a 1.3% comparable sales headwind to the quarter. We have included this thinking in our comparable sales guidance. Speaker 300:17:27As such, we expect U. S. Comparable restaurant sales to be down between 50 basis points and 200 basis points on a comparable calendar basis. The good news is we've seen continued sales growth ahead of the industry. In addition, our Valentine's Day week represented the strongest week in our company's history. Speaker 300:17:46This trend including the weather impact from the 1st 3 weeks are included in our guidance. We expect Q1 adjusted diluted earnings per share to be between $0.70 $0.75 which includes a negative $0.06 impact due to the calendar shift and an approximate $0.05 impact from weather at the beginning of the quarter. In addition, the removal of the Brazil tax exemption is a headwind of 0.08 dollars in Q1 versus 2023. In summary, we successfully navigated a challenging environment in Q4. We will remain disciplined in executing against our strategy in 2024 and will emerge a better, stronger operations focused company. Speaker 300:18:30And with that, we will open up the call for questions. Operator00:18:34Thank you. At this time, we'll be conducting a question and answer session. Our first question comes from the line of Jeffrey Bernstein with Barclays. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 400:19:10Great. Thank you very much. My question is on the broader consumer environment. Just curious, obviously, with multiple brands, you have pretty good perspective. Any change in consumer behavior in recent months impacting traffic or mix? Speaker 400:19:27I know you mentioned the risk of a slowing consumer in 2024. So just trying to gauge what you've seen in recent months. And then Chris, just to clarify, I think you said Valentine's Day very strong or Valentine's week. But more broadly, the trends since the first few weeks of January with the inclement weather, would you say that they're now back to the strength you were seeing to close the Q4? Or how would you gauge that more recent momentum? Speaker 400:19:49And then I had one follow-up. Speaker 200:19:52Yes. Good morning. Yes, we see the consumer hanging in there. Our trends, as I talked about on the call, we had a weak October, but they got stronger as the quarter moved along and we finished really strong. And then we had the 1st 3 weeks of weather, but then the strength that we've seen returned. Speaker 200:20:10And I'm really pleased with some of the trends we're seeing in our business, especially at Outback and Carrabba's. 12 of the last 14 weeks Outback has outperformed the industry. We expect that trend to continue. And we've tried to incorporate all that in our guidance. So we see the consumer hanging in there and we see our brands doing pretty well in trends. Speaker 300:20:32Yes. And the only thing I would add to that is that you asked about mix and mix trends. Yes. No, we're still and you saw it in the numbers. We're still seeing some negative mix trends show up in the financials. Speaker 300:20:42But at the same time, I think as we've said in the last couple of calls, a lot of that's engineered. The growth in catering at Carrabba's has been significant. The LTO activity has been very successful. So I think that it's been more engineered than anything else. Now that's not to say that there isn't some check management going on, but I don't think that's the lion's share of what we've been seeing. Speaker 400:21:02Understood. And then my follow-up is just more broadly, Dave, in the boardroom, I'm just wondering, has anything changed in recent months or quarters? There's activist involvement. I'm just wondering whether there's any change in perspective or priorities or how that investor and kind of the impact that you've seen, if any, as you look to your business through 2024? Thank you. Speaker 200:21:25Yes. We have a they've been a very positive part of our company, and we welcomed our 2 new board members, as you saw. We've had good interaction in the boardroom, good ideas and they've been a big part of helping us understand how we can move our businesses forward. And we're very optimistic about the year. And I think it's been a good partnership. Speaker 400:21:49Great to hear. Thank you very much. Operator00:21:54Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Alex Slagle with Jefferies. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 500:22:00All right. Thanks. Good morning. Good morning. Chris, congrats on a great career there and we'll all miss you for sure. Speaker 500:22:11I wanted to ask, I guess, just as you step back and think about all these efforts you've made improving the guest experience at Outback and investing simplification, better service remodels. I mean, how far have you gone along the spectrum of what you think you need to do to position this brand as a share gainer? And I know we have more that we'll hear about in the quarters to come, but I wanted to sort of think about that. And I don't know if there's even a way to add specific dollar amounts to how much you've invested and how much you think you need to do in the core experience, but any thoughts around that? Speaker 200:22:53Sure. I think we've made progress, but we have more to do. I don't know if I should give a football analogy or a scale of 1 to 10, but I think we've made progress. We're seeing it in our trends, which especially at the end of last year and in the Q1 of this year at OpEx. But when you look at the work we've done to understand our consumer and in the post COVID environment and sharpen our positioning, that's been done. Speaker 200:23:17I think you look at the no rules just right position we've started, that started more work to do there. If you look at the food and service elements that we've invested in, we've invested some, but we have even more to do I think on some of the service elements and some of the food elements. We talked about the additional spending in marketing in 2024. We're seeing some return on that. We've opened up 6 new restaurants and we're going to open up 15 to 18 in 2024 and then we're remodeling. Speaker 200:23:44So it's Alex has started, but we have more to do and I think we're beginning to see it in the trend change in the business. Speaker 500:23:55Got it. And those the closures, how many of those effectively would have been relocations? Is the relocation pipeline sort of still the same as it was before? Or how does that look? And I mean maybe any thoughts on like the cash flow and cash return profile of these new units? Speaker 500:24:15Yes. Speaker 300:24:16So I'll give you some perspective. No, none of these would be considered relocation opportunities. I think the relocations this year will probably have another 5 or so. I think that we like the cadence that we have in terms of relocations. Every time we relocate a new Outback, see significant sales lifts. Speaker 300:24:34And I think that the just to sort of piggyback on the question to Dave about Outback, I think that the relocation and what we see when we do a relocation is one of the reasons why we really believe in the relevance and the strength of the Outback brand because every time we do that, we see such positive results. Now what I would say is like from a new unit perspective, obviously, we're seeing pretty good cash on cash returns. We think about allocation of capital. We get asked a lot, why are you investing so much in new units? We're getting solid returns on these new units. Speaker 300:25:08They're in infill opportunities in strong markets with strong demographics. And obviously, I mean, I think from a capital allocation perspective, if we were seeing that we weren't getting the returns that we need to justify the investment, then we would use those dollars elsewhere. So we feel really good about kind of the whole strategy and how we're deploying capital. Speaker 500:25:27Thank you. Operator00:25:31Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of John Ivankoe with JPMorgan. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 600:25:38Hi, thank you. The question is around menu simplification and I guess a couple of things. I mean, one, how far down this journey are you in terms of yet another significant reduction in menu items at Outback? Obviously, that would come with reduced complexity. In some cases, it actually may come with reduced costs. Speaker 600:25:58So I just wanted to get your sense of how big of an opportunity you guys see that to be as kind of the first question? And then secondly, are there any opportunities for kind of longer term price investments of the Outback brand? I mean are there some opportunities on the menu where you could sell a lot more certain foods including foods that are regularly priced on the menu of actually lowering the menu prices and maybe in some cases bringing them a little bit closer to where peers are? Speaker 200:26:29Yes, John. I think on a simplification side, that's something we have always looked at and we are continuing to look at. And I think that's a good point that you make. And it's something that works we're looking at in the marketplace. I don't want to get any further than that because of competitive reasons, but I think you've hit on something that we're looking at. Speaker 200:26:46And that brings us improved operations. And I talked on the call about the progress we're making. And if we can make it with the technology and with some of the work we're doing on the menu, if we can make it easier for operators to serve product and easier for customers to navigate the menu that could be an opportunity for us. So we're looking at that number 1. Number 2 is the way we tried to get about this John is if you look at our combo pricing, that's something that's very attractive versus competitors. Speaker 200:27:13If you look at what we're doing with the Aussie 3 course meal at $16.99 that works very well. And we're also potentially looking at some high quality menu items that may be a little bit lower price that we would introduce on the menu to help offset some of the pricing at Outback some of the pricing perceptions at Outback. So those are the things that we're doing. It's looking at our combo pricing. We're looking at some of the LTOs that we're doing and advertising against that. Speaker 200:27:38And we're also looking at some of the menu items that we can bring in place that might be a little a lower price point, but offer high value and high quality. Speaker 400:27:48Thank you. Operator00:27:52Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Sharon Zackfia with William Blair. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 700:27:59Hi, good morning. Can you give us some more texture around the closures and what concepts were impacted besides OzzieGrill? I know that they were older locations, but any commonality other than the fact that they were older? And then how do we think about the impact of those closures on revenue and margins as we think about 2024? Speaker 300:28:23Yes. They're split across the portfolio. So there was mostly Outback, but there was a handful in the other concepts as well. There we talked about the revenue impact, sort of about $100,000,000 of actual revenue would come out of related disclosures. But actually, it's profit accretive, right? Speaker 300:28:42That's part of the reason why we're making this move. We're probably going to add about $4,000,000 of EBIT to the bottom line results of the company this year as a result of the closures. Speaker 200:28:52The other thing, Sharon, is we're opening 40 to 45 new restaurants to bring and those restaurants will be far more visible, attractive, higher performing across the portfolio. And so that will really help as well. Speaker 700:29:10Thanks for that. And I think you alluded to in the CapEx kind of maybe a further acceleration and development in 2025, if I'm kind of triangulating the commentary there correctly. Is that the case? And from 40 to 45 new locations this year, what I mean, what kind of cadence of growth do you think you can maintain as you get into 2025, 2026 and beyond? Speaker 200:29:37Yes. Sharon, I love our pipeline. Our real estate team has done a great job. You're correct. We would like to improve the cadence and raise the cadence as we go forward. Speaker 200:29:46As Chris mentioned, we're always on top of our returns to make sure that the returns are great. But we have a pipeline building that is very, very strong, especially in our stronghold markets in the Southeast. Yes. And maybe just to give Speaker 300:29:58you a little context on the capital guide and how that comes together a little bit. So one of the dynamics that you are going to have in the 2024 capital spending is that in 2023, we had about $65,000,000 of restaurant technology. That spend is going to fall off in 2024, but we are then going to have an increase in the number of new units that you're going to see in the numbers. So it's really just a trade between the technology and the restaurants increasing the number of new units. Speaker 700:30:28Very helpful. Thank you. Operator00:30:32Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jeff Farmer with Gordon Haskett. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 800:30:40Thanks and best of luck to Chris with everything you're going to be pursuing in the future. A couple of questions for you. Anything you can offer on the sort of the component assumptions across pricing traffic mix as it relates to that flat to 2% same store sales guidance for 2024? Speaker 300:31:00Yes, sure. I'll give you some perspective. So I think if you think about traffic, there's a pretty wide range of possible outcomes here. I'd say anywhere from flat, which I think is certainly doable, but also down to like maybe down to 2%. A lot of it's going to depend on sort of the external environment. Speaker 300:31:15But there's also a couple of things worth calling out on that. I mean, first, we're going to start out in a little bit of a hole here in Q1 because of the weather from a traffic perspective. And then I would say candidly, the category is measured by Black Box or NAP or wherever you choose to look at the category. Look, it's likely going to have a negative traffic outlook for 2024. And I don't think that's anything new. Speaker 300:31:36I mean, I think that outside of a couple of years around COVID, the category is generally speaking been down 2% to 3% pretty much every year that I can remember going back quite a ways. So I think those two things taken in perspective, it is our goal and it is our commitment to try to outperform the category in traffic this year, which is why if the category is down 2% to 3%, our traffic is going to be flat to down 2% in that range. We expect to outperform it. The category does a little better because consumer seems to be hanging in there, then of course we have opportunity to have some upside there. So that's how I always think about traffic. Speaker 300:32:10Now in terms of average check pricing etcetera, start with average check In the full year guide, it assumes an average check increase of call it 2% to 3%. And that's going to be comprised of about, I'd say 3.5% or so of pricing and then some negative mix. And that negative mix again is driven by some of the things I talked about in terms of catering growth, LTO activity, things like that. The pricing assumption is going to have about 2% or so rollover pricing and then a small amount of incremental pricing over the balance of the year. Again, I mean, the commodity environment is going to be somewhat benign, but the one area where it's not benign is in the beef markets. Speaker 300:32:48And so we're going to have significant beef inflation against this year. And so some of that incremental pricing is going to be meant to offset that. Speaker 900:32:56All right. That's helpful. Speaker 800:32:57And then just as a follow-up, as it relates to again sort of the increased level of media, have you sort of fully implemented that across Q4 into the 1st part of 1Q? Or is this going to sort of slowly build? How should we be thinking about the ongoing effort sort of get a stronger media and share a voice out there? Speaker 200:33:21Yes, Jeff. 2 ways to think about it. 1, it will build and we will always look at the ideas we have and I'm pretty excited about a couple of the ideas coming up, balance of the year. And so the ideas will the funding will follow the ideas. So we see that there. Speaker 200:33:37It will build during the year and then we will fully support our ideas with strong share of voice. Speaker 1000:33:44Thank Operator00:33:48you. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Sara Senatore with Bank of America. Please proceed with your Speaker 1100:33:55question. Thank you. I guess I'm trying to understand how you are thinking about capital allocation by which I mean mean, the relos obviously have high returns, but is there a scenario where if you reinvested that money elsewhere, maybe not in in OpEx, maybe even more marketing or labor, something like that, where you could get you think you could see a return across the system just because the relocations obviously help the individual as I think about the guidance, it looks a little heavier on CapEx than we had thought. And so wondering how you kind of compare ROI across the different uses of capital within the P and L or in CapEx? And then I just have a quick clarifying question. Speaker 200:34:43Sure. We look at that very carefully across the P and L, but look at our labor investments, our food investments and then also CapEx. One of our ways to unlock traffic growth, especially at Outback where we have older assets is refreshment of the really strong assets, relocations and new. And that will uplift the entire trade area. And as we did our relocations excuse me, as we did our remodels in 2023, we tried to concentrate them, for instance, in Florida, and we saw the benefit of that concentration. Speaker 200:35:13So as we look across the P and L, we look at the investments we want to make in labor, we look at the investments we want to make in food, but in advertising, but then also we look at our capital and we know that the cash on cash return we receive is strong and then what it does for the entire marketplace and then what it does for traffic as we uplift our assets. Speaker 300:35:32Yes. And we've made decisions like that in the past. I mean, we certainly have whether it's increasing portion sizes at some of our brands or adding a second side, there have been reinvestments back in areas where we think it makes sense. So certainly, one of the advantages of having a significant amount of free cash flow like we have is that you're able to make these kind of investments and decisions and still leave yourself in a really good shape from a capital structure standpoint. Speaker 1100:35:58Got it. Thank you. So just to clarify some of what you're doing has broader implications that you say for the trade area. So the perception of the customers in that trade area from relow or remodel may reverberate throughout the trade area. Is that fair? Speaker 200:36:16Yes. There's nothing like a new outback or 2 in a trade in a city to attract people and say, wow, look at that, especially in our new prototypes, which we think are very attractive. So that's part of the traffic building as well for the entire trade area. Speaker 300:36:28We factor in and we'll factor in cannibalization when we come up with returns for new restaurant investments. So if there's a if we're going and entering a restaurant and a charity where we already have a significant presence, we factor in potential cannibalization into our model to make sure that we're making the right decisions. Speaker 1100:36:44Got it. Okay. Thank you. And then just a technical question. Am I understanding correctly, the repurchase would just offset the dilution from the convert? Speaker 1100:36:54Is that is it sort of pretty much a wash? Speaker 300:36:59Well, yes. And so the convert gets pretty complicated. But let me so let me just try to frame the $300,000,000 because it's an important part of what we're trying to do here. The 3 $50,000,000 share repurchase authorization. So you can put aside the $150,000,000 right, because the $150,000,000 is just normal course of business. Speaker 300:37:15We did $70,000,000 of share repurchases in 2023. We got another $150,000,000 for the next 18 months. That's pretty much normal course of business. The remaining $200,000,000 it just gives us optionality. And again, I'm not going to get too much into timing because timing could be anywhere between now and next May when the convert comes to maturity. Speaker 300:37:36But what I can say about how it would be performed is, at the end of the day, what would likely be the outcome is that you would have of that $200,000,000 of share repurchases, you would just have the 4,000,000 shares that are currently sitting in my adjusted earnings per share share count, those shares would come out of the share count using the funds from the 200,000,000 dollars The remainder of it, the $105,000,000 that's the principal on the convert. There's just some options between I can do some share buybacks and issuing shares etcetera. There's just some arbitrage there. That's really more just a refinancing kind of event. The real impact to share count would be that 4,000,000 shares that are sitting currently in my adjusted share count, if that makes sense. Speaker 1100:38:23Great. Thank you very much. Very helpful. Operator00:38:28Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Brian Harbour with Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 1000:38:35Thanks. Good morning. Yes, and Chris, best Speaker 200:38:37of luck to you. Speaker 1000:38:40Just a question on did you saw what you expect wage inflation to be this year? And I think a broader question about labor. Do you feel like there's kind of a need to reinvest in labor or or add some to stores as you think about kind of building traffic this year? Speaker 200:38:56Yes. I think our labor models are very well established, well run. We've invested behind the technology to enable our servers. We've invested in cooking technology to enable our back of the house. The service model is strong and we feel very good about it. Speaker 200:39:12So the labor spending at the restaurant level, number of hours etcetera is in really good shape. Speaker 300:39:19And you asked about inflation. Look, yes, I mean, look, Brent, I think that yes, I think inflation call it 4.5%. It just seems like that 4% to 5% range of inflation is just pretty sticky. And I don't see it going anywhere anytime in the future, particularly since we have such a presence why the productivity initiatives and things like that become so important because you need some offsets. You can't just take unlimited amounts of pricing to offset that. Speaker 300:39:52And that's why we focus so much on making sure we do the right thing with productivity. Speaker 1000:39:58Okay. Yes, got it. Thanks. Maybe I'll take the bait on your comment about kind of the work you've done to your customer. What's changed, I guess? Speaker 1000:40:06Or what was some of your key insights from that work you've done? Speaker 200:40:11Yes. I don't want to get into too much detail for competitive reasons, but a couple of things. One, our core is loves Outback Steakhouse and they continue to say that again and again and again. And I think we have some permission from some of our explorers out there that might be looking at some other categories of interest, but the focus is on the core. And if we can pick a few explorers that look at other categories besides state, I think Outback has the permission to do that. Speaker 200:40:39And the last thing is the reinforcement of how Outback is such an adventurous steakhouse and we have a lot of support for our long heritage of No Rules Just Right or Aussie heritage etcetera. All those things came to light as we continue to do our research. Operator00:41:02Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Laura with Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 700:41:09Hi, thank you. On advertising, I want to ask a bit more there and your approach to marketing. What type of messaging are you going to lean into 2024? How much more in value do we need to see? And then just in terms of how we think about the step up in advertising spend? Speaker 200:41:29Yes. It will move up during the year, but I think more importantly, it'll do it'll be with ideas that we have, which I'm like I said before, I'm very optimistic about. I think if you can if we can do the combo of products that consumers really love and I don't want to get into detail here along with a good value. I think that's the magic that we can bring together at Outback especially to help grow traffic in our advertising and our consumer awareness and excitement. I think that's clearly something that we can do because we have a heritage of that. Speaker 200:42:02The second thing is, like I said, you'll see the step up of spending during the year as the ideas come to fruition, and we'll continue to track that return as we go forward. And lastly, I think we have a much better understanding we've talked about in other calls on the way to advertise be it digital versus network versus television. Those are things that we can also look at and change the mix around as we need to. So those are the things that we're doing with our advertising investment and we continue to track the returns and what we can do going forward. Speaker 700:42:35Okay. Thank you. And then just on restaurant shop margin, what's embedded in the guide this year? And can you just talk about how should you think about the cadence of margin throughout the year? Thank you. Speaker 300:42:47Yes. I think as you look at we'll start with operating margins and we'll talk about restaurant margins at the same time. I think but to give perspective, we finished at 7.6% in our op margin line in 2023. 50 basis points of that was driven by the 53rd week in the Brazil tax exemption. So you're not going to have those in 2024. Speaker 300:43:08So if you exclude those 2 and you say your starting point is at 7.1%. Look, with the guide we gave, I'd expect op margin to be slightly up to slightly down, probably flattish depending on where we land within our guidance range, in and around, call it, 7% or so, which is, again, as a reminder, it's 210 basis points above where we were in 2019 despite what continues to be very persistent inflation. So you think about it from a restaurant margin and a category perspective, I think cost of goods sold and OpEx, just given where the productivity dollars will probably land and some of the inflation that we're seeing in those categories, COGS is a little bit less inflation this year. Those both those categories have a decent chance to be favorable in terms of margin year over year. Labor is probably the one category that's most likely to be a little higher year over year, given the inflation that I just talked about that 4% to 5% inflation. Speaker 300:44:03And then the other piece is when you go further down the P and L, the one, G and A we'd like to keep somewhat flat on a dollar basis, but depreciation is going to be higher obviously with the capital spend. So I would expect depreciation as a percentage of total revenues to be higher as well. So that gives you a little bit of sense of how to think about the pieces parts. Speaker 700:44:23Thank you. Very helpful. Operator00:44:27Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Brian Vaccaro with Raymond James. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 1200:44:34Hi, thanks and good morning and congrats, Chris. Best of luck to you. So just circling back on the Outback comps for a second, could you be a little more specific on the degree of improvement you've seen or how much that spread versus the industry has improved over the last few months? And also just given the unusual swings on weather in January, any way you could level set how your U. S. Speaker 1200:44:57Comps look more recently as the weather has normalized? Speaker 200:45:01Yes. I don't want to get into specific percentage points versus the industry, Brian. I hope you understand that, but I think you know me pretty well. We've gone from a place in especially in the fall when Outback was behind the industry in same store sales growth to a point in December and then into Q1, we're consistently ahead. And we're very pleased about that. Speaker 200:45:28And that's the beginning of the that's the result of the beginning of the work we're doing and we can see going forward some of the work we're doing to help that trend continue and hopefully strengthen. But that is about all I can say right now. I don't want to get into price points per se. After the weather, the 1st 3 weeks, we've seen the trend resume that we saw in December and the last few weeks have shown just that. And so we tried to bundle all that into our guidance for the quarter. Speaker 1200:45:58Okay, fair enough. And on that spread, is it fair to say that that spread is positive on both a comp and traffic basis? Speaker 200:46:07Yes. Yes. Okay. Brian, before I get into next question, I just want to mention one thing that has gotten a lot of attention on this call. But I just need to say a couple of things about the Carrabba's team and how great they're doing. Speaker 200:46:22And if you look at their trends versus the I excuse me for interrupting you, but I just wanted to mention Speaker 1200:46:35that. No, absolutely and definitely noted. My other question was just on the 4th quarter store margin dynamics. Labor and other OpEx moved a little differently than we were expecting. And I guess on labor, that little over 100 basis points of pressure, I think you saw year on year. Speaker 1200:46:52Could you just give some color on what drove that and to what degree you reinvested in hours or service in the quarter? Speaker 300:47:01Yes. Well, I wouldn't say so much reinvestment in hours for service. I think the labor dynamics that you see in Q4 was mostly inflation, but we did have some additional compensation expenses related to relative to last year, specifically related to the 53rd week. As we pay our partners on a percentage of cash flow, that 53rd week was just outsized and it just we just lost some leverage on that line. And then we were lapping some stuff from a year ago from a one time perspective that wasn't as big, but those are kind of the big buckets. Speaker 300:47:32I mean, I think that broadly speaking, Brian, the Q4 margin performance, what we really tried to tune people into was the fact that the COGS line was going to move the way that it did because we had been leveraging that restaurant margin favorably up until Q4. But we talked about the idea that we weren't going to leverage the COGS line just because some of the beef activity that we had a year ago. So that was probably the biggest dynamic. But yes, labor was a little higher, but I think it had a lot to do with just kind of that dynamics of the 53rd week and how that came together. Speaker 1200:48:04Okay. Thank you for that. And just on the topic of productivity, if I could, last one. What level of savings did you achieve in 2023? And could you provide a few more specifics on what some of the key drivers of efficiency in 2024 will be? Speaker 300:48:20Yes. So we ended up at about $55,000,000 or so of productivity in 2023. And again, I think the buckets that we saw in 2023 are largely going to be the buckets that we would see in 2024. Again, I think we're going after another $50,000,000 of productivity this year. A lot of it is going to be driven by the restaurant technology that we put in place. Speaker 300:48:43But another big piece is going to be supply chain related, because there's a lot of opportunities there that we've been looking at, as well as some of the menu work and things that Dave talked about. So it's going to be pretty broadly spread across the P and L between COGS and labor, etcetera. Again, maybe a little more weighted to cost of goods sold, but we'll see. Speaker 200:49:01I just want to underscore too, Brian, the productivity we'll do we do will not touch food quality and not touch service levels. It's pure getting our great products and our service to our people in a more efficient manner. So that's extremely important to us. Speaker 1200:49:16All right. Thank you very much. I'll pass it along. Operator00:49:21Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Brian Mullen with Piper Sandler. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 1300:49:29Thank you. Just a question on Brazil. Can you just touch on the operating environment down there right now? What you expect to see as you put together the guidance for the year? And then just related to that, I know you've been asked this many times in the past, but if you could just give your current thinking on your desire to own those restaurants longer term and if the current environment is conducive to taking any action on that front for the foreseeable future? Speaker 200:49:53Sure. The environment remains good. Inflation has come down. Interest rates are still pretty high down there, but the consumer is in good shape. We had a tremendous sales improvement last year at this time probably because of the World Cup. Speaker 200:50:09So that was a very difficult lappage, but they're able to do. And so the new openings are fantastic. Our position is unparalleled number 1. And so the operating environment we believe continues to be really, really strong. So that is that's important. Speaker 200:50:26The second piece is we've looked at in the past about potentially having that business be a franchise business. That still is something that we may or may not consider. We'll just continue to look at the environment and then the value we get from the business and as we move forward. So we continue to look at optionality down there. But right now our job is to continue to build a great business. Speaker 1300:50:50Okay. And then just as a follow-up, just a question on Bonefish. Can you touch on some of the in store sales trends recently? Maybe what's going on with that brand? What are the key priorities for that brand this year over the next few years? Speaker 1300:51:04Just what's the team going to be focused on? Speaker 200:51:06I think for us, we have to do some more work there. Some of the work that we did at Outback quite frankly is get a better understanding of our customer in this post COVID environment. I think that's something that we need to focus in on. We're doing that work right now. Is there a menu investment and simplification opportunities that we can do? Speaker 200:51:24We're looking at that. We've invested in operations both in technology, but also focusing on key measures such as speed of service in our bar and for our food, because it's such a bar centered concept. It's our highest mixing beer liquor wine business and casual dining. And we continue to refresh our assets at Bonefish. So those kind of the 4 pronged strategy there. Speaker 200:51:47It's not a growth vehicle for us. We'll continue to upgrade the assets and we'll continue to do the customer and menu work to get that brand trends to improve. Speaker 1000:51:58Thank Operator00:52:01you. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Dennis Geiger with UBS. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 800:52:08Great. Thanks guys. Encouraging to hear about the progress that you're continuing to see across the Outback operations and the customer satisfaction scores, etcetera. And I can personally attest to some of the positive customer experience benefits from the server handhelds and in some visits recently. So just wondering if there's you could talk a little more about the opportunity for operations gains. Speaker 800:52:31Where is it consistency of speed, food? Where sort of the biggest opportunities that you've identified lie? And I guess most importantly, sort of how long you think it takes to get to, I think the best in class levels that you spoke to as a target? Speaker 200:52:46Yes. We're making significant progress in our operating measures. So we'll continue to make progress each and every month. And our goal is certainly as soon as we can, I don't want to make a specific prediction, but it's something that we are all over and I'm very pleased with the operating measures we're seeing both in the internal progress we're making, but also externally with Technomic and other people that do a lot of work for us externally? So that is really a great thing to see. Speaker 200:53:15So that's the first. The second thing is, I think it's more around the trade off at the restaurant between variety and menu simplification. Can we continue to make progress there as we do our work? So there's more work coming out back there. Number 2 is really leveraging our technology. Speaker 200:53:33You saw the benefit of the handheld that's clearly happening. The grills have been a big success. If you look at re cooks and reorders and steak satisfaction that's been very, very strong. And then as we continue to do this, in casual dining, the customer comes 2 or 3 times a year. We've just got to continue to make progress here. Speaker 200:53:53That will be a reinforcement in building traffic. And then as we look at our chances to help our managing partners and our teams to offer great service, those are the things that we're looking at. Speaker 800:54:07Very helpful. Appreciate that. And then just second question, just as it relates to some of the bunch of the traffic drivers that you've spoken to, bunch of the work that the team has been doing. As we think about maybe some of the biggest drivers for this year, if there are a couple that you think can be most impactful this year and then if there are some that are kind of most impactful full on a multi year basis, would there be anything that you'd kind of break out there? Thank you. Speaker 200:54:33Yes. I love some of our product and marketing ideas coming up. And I like the fact that we're looking at how we're spending our advertising dollars and how we're doing it to support those ideas. So in the near term that's clearly something that we'll be looking at and very hopeful for. Longer term, some of the menu work we talked about, continue with our positioning is really important. Speaker 200:54:54I think the asset upgrades, if you live in Florida and go into our Outback, most of them are remodeled now and you can see it. Those are things longer term are going to really help us. So our operations longer term, our asset investment longer term, our menu work, We want to balance some short term gains, which I think are possible along with some of the strong long term things that we have in place at Outback. Very helpful. Thank you. Operator00:55:23Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jon Tower with Citi. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 1000:55:29Great, thanks. I appreciate it. And Chris, best of luck. Look forward to seeing what you do next. Curious, maybe on the $16.99 Aussie 3 course meal, I'm just curious to get your thoughts on how you think about everyday value on your own menu today? Speaker 1000:55:48And do you feel like that is a decent launch and or something that you can continue to evolve over time to have an everyday value option for consumers over time? Speaker 200:56:00Yes. I think it's the first step and I think it's something we'll continue to look at for in our various limited time offer opportunities. We can certainly look at that. But then as I mentioned earlier on the call, John, we're also looking at some products that may have a lower price point. They're still really great products that are good return to the company, but also great offer great value to the customer. Speaker 200:56:20So we're doing some of that work on the menu side as well, but we have the opportunity through our combos and through selected LTOs with the right marketing spend to drive value in the brand. Speaker 1000:56:32In the menu items you speak of, do you see those as permanent or LTO? Speaker 200:56:36We are thinking that they would be permanent, but they have to earn their right onto the menu. Speaker 1000:56:41Got it. And then I guess just kind of zooming out a little bit and thinking about the business. I know for a few years, you've been aiming toward that 8% or so EBIT margin target and had exceeded it at the to get your thoughts on how you see it evolving over the next several years. I would assume, I'm to get your thoughts on how you see it evolving over the next several years. I would assume, obviously, 2024 is going to be a more difficult year for that. Speaker 1000:57:04But beyond 2024 and into 2025, how should we think about your ability as a company to get back to that 8% or so target? Speaker 200:57:12Yes. Before I turn it over to Chris, I just want to mention, there's a very benign commodity basket. One exception that's beef. And so, we don't want to price up to cover that beef cost entirely. So we have to continue looking at our margins to look at that and how it means what it means for our customer. Speaker 200:57:32And I want to make that broad point first before I turn it over to Chris. Speaker 300:57:35Yes. Well, I think that look, longer term, I think we still feel good about using 8% as an operating margin target. I think the problem has been in the time period between 2022 2024, we've had this massive inflation that's been really tough to leverage, not just for us, but candidly for everyone who's trying to be thoughtful about menu pricing and things and balancing that dynamic. And look, the good news is, is I think that despite the inflation, margins are kind of hanging in there. And so as you think about like what's the path forward, I'd say the key areas we probably need to make progress on in 2024 would be, 1st and foremost, we need to continue to make traffic progress at Outback because traffic ultimately is going to be a lever moving forward that you're going to have to leverage in order to continue to make progress on margins. Speaker 300:58:212nd, once you start to see the new restaurants ramp up, you'll begin to leverage depreciation, etcetera, and you'll make more progress on that in 2024. And then I think that the last thing is once the beef situation improves, you'll have the makings of a much better landscape from an inflation standpoint to make progress on margins. So I think the signs are encouraging. And I think that looking ahead to 2025 and beyond, there's some reasons to believe. Speaker 1000:58:45Got it. Thanks for taking the question. Operator00:58:50Thank you. Our final question this morning comes from the line of Andrew Strelzik with BMO Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 900:58:58Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking the questions. I just had 2 on the cost side. The first one is back on the marketing spend. You mentioned that it's going to ramp through the year. Speaker 900:59:08So is it fair to assume that that would hold at a higher level in 2025 as well? And maybe more importantly, are you going to be exiting this year at a more kind of steady state level? I think if I'm looking at this right, you'd be kind of like 2.5%, maybe a little bit higher than that percent of sales. So still a bit of a gap from where you were pre COVID, but just curious how Speaker 400:59:26we should think about that trending? Speaker 300:59:28So I'll start and I'll turn it over to Dave. Yes, I think the way I think about 2024 marketing is yes, it will be higher. It's probably going to be higher in every quarter, to be honest, even Q1 than it was a year ago. So there's going to be increases in marketing spend. I think that we've talked about marketing. Speaker 300:59:42We've talked about this for years in terms of we used to spend 3.5% of sales on marketing. Got down to the low 2s. We recognized that we've always talked about, hey, look, even when we laid out that margin framework a couple of years ago, we said, hey, look, we think the sweet spot for marketing is probably in that 2.5% to 3% of sales range. I think that's kind of where we really think it's going to be long term as well. So I think that if we land this year sort of in that 2% to 3% range, then I would say that that's probably a good thought for us moving forward. Speaker 301:00:08But obviously the spending can ramp up as our sales increase. So I think we feel good about it as a percentage of sales. Speaker 201:00:16Yes. And I just like to say in our company the money follows the ideas and good ideas get supported and we'll continue to have that discipline. Speaker 901:00:26Okay. That makes sense. And then just my other one was on the commodity outlook. It sounds like really only beef as a problem child there and you've been able to lock beef on an annual basis the last couple of years. Were you able to do that again this year? Speaker 901:00:36I'm just curious on the visibility to that commodity outlook. Thanks. Speaker 301:00:39Yes. Same thing. We're probably 74% locked on our basket for the year, 74%, 75%, somewhere in there. Beef is 100% locked. Obviously, as in prior years though, we're hopeful that the market continues to make progress. Speaker 301:00:53And if it does, hopefully, we can take advantage of some of that upside. Operator01:01:00Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes our question and answer session. I'll turn the floor back to Mr. Dena for any final comments. Speaker 201:01:07Thank you everybody for your time this morning. We look forward to updating you on our Q1 call later this year. And Chris, thank you for everything you've done for our company. Thank you. Thanks everybody. Operator01:01:20Thank you. This concludes today's conference call. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for yourRead morePowered by Key Takeaways Adjusted Q4 EPS was $0.75 vs. $0.68 a year ago (+10% YoY), with U.S. comparable sales down 20 bps but showing sequential improvement and a strong holiday finish. Outback Steakhouse is prioritizing in-restaurant traffic through its “No Rules Just Right” campaign, a $20 million marketing increase in 2024, and tech upgrades that boosted steak accuracy by 400 bps and consistency by 700 bps, helping it outperform the industry 12 of the last 14 weeks. Off-premises now represents 24% of U.S. sales—including 13% from third-party delivery—and Carrabba’s Brazil achieved +3.9% comp sales and +300 bps traffic growth, fueled by catering and to-go momentum. The company will close 41 underperforming restaurants—mostly older leases—while opening 40–45 new locations in 2024 to modernize its asset base and drive trade-area lifts. Full-year 2024 guidance targets U.S. comps flat to +2%, adjusted EPS of $2.51–2.66, 3–4% commodity inflation, and $270–290 million in CapEx, supported by a strong balance sheet and a newly authorized $350 million share repurchase plan. A.I. generated. 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It operates through the U.S. and International geographical segments. The U.S. segment operates in the USA and Puerto Rico. The International segment operates in Brazil, South Korea, Hong Kong, and China. Its brands include Outback Steakhouse, Carrabba's Italian Grill, Bonefish Grill, and Fleming's Prime Steakhouse and Wine Bar. 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There are 14 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Greetings, and welcome to the Bloomin' Brands Fiscal 4th Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A brief question and answer session will follow management's prepared remarks. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Tara Kurian, Vice President, Corporate Finance and Investor Relations. Thank you. Operator00:00:21Ms. Kurian, you may begin. Speaker 100:00:24Thank you, and good morning, everyone. With me on today's call are David Deno, our Chief Executive Officer and Chris Meyer, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. By now, you should have access to our fiscal Q4 2023 earnings release. It can also be found on our website at www.blumonbrands.com in the Investors section. Throughout this conference call, we will be presenting results on an adjusted basis. Speaker 100:00:53An explanation of our use of non GAAP financial measures and reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP measures appear in our earnings release on our website as previously described. Before we begin formal remarks, I'd like to remind everyone that part of our discussion today will include forward looking statements, including a discussion of recent trends. These statements are subject to numerous risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ in a material way from our forward looking statements. Some of these risks are mentioned in our earnings release. Others are discussed in our SEC filings, which are available at www.sec.gov. Speaker 100:01:33During today's call, we'll provide a brief recap of our financial performance for the fiscal Q4 2023, an overview of company highlights and current thoughts on fiscal 2024 guidance. Once we've completed these remarks, we'll open the call up for questions. With that, I would like to now turn the call over to David Deno. Speaker 200:01:54Well, thank you, Tara, and welcome to everyone listening today. As noted in this morning's earnings release, adjusted Q4 2023 diluted earnings per share was $0.75 This compares to $0.68 in Q4 2022, reflecting a growth of 10% year over year. Combined U. S. Comparable sales were down 20 basis points. Speaker 200:02:15Our Q4 and 2023 results were largely in line with expectations. Importantly, we had a sequential U. S. Comp sales and traffic improvement from Q3 into Q4. And within Q4, a softer October was offset by progressively improving comp sales ending with the strong holiday season. Speaker 200:02:32Before we discuss 2024 and more specifically our plans at Outback Steakhouse, I would like to recognize 2 businesses that had outstanding results in 2023, Carrabba's in Brazil. Carrabba's continues to take share versus the industry. Carrabba's posted comp sales growth of 3.9% and positive traffic growth for the year. In 2023, Carrabba's outperformed the industry in sales by 90 basis points and in traffic growth by 300 basis points. They continue to demonstrate strength, specifically in their off premises channel and growing catering business. Speaker 200:03:04Providence Bistro, which we launched in 2023, is a lunch focused catering option featuring our wide variety of sandwiches that reflect Crava's Italian heritage. It is now offered in our restaurant as a compelling launch offer, either within the restaurant or to go. Bistro continues to outperform expectations. Brazil had another great year with significant growth in sales and profits. This is especially impressive given the lapping of pent up demand in 2022. Speaker 200:03:32We continue to expand this business throughout the country and open 18 new restaurants in 2023. We look forward to capitalizing our leading position and doubling our restaurant footprint in the coming years. Our 2023 results would not have been possible without our great teams in the restaurants and in our restaurant support center. Thank you for delivering outstanding hospitality and excellent service to our guests. As we move forward, we remain focused on the strategic priorities that are making us a stronger, leaner operations centered company. Speaker 200:04:01These priorities include: 1st, driving in restaurant same store sales growth, which remains our top priority, especially at Outback 2nd, increasing new restaurant openings while refreshing our existing assets 3rd, maintaining our off premises momentum. 4th, becoming a more digitally driven company. And finally, investing in technology to improve infrastructure and drive growth while preserving margins. Our primary focus remains improving in restaurant sales and traffic at Outback. We've done a lot of work to better understand our ever evolving post COVID customer. Speaker 200:04:36We believe we have a better idea of who our customer is and as a result we continue to sharpen our brand positioning. The first step of this effort was to launch Outback's No Rules Just Right campaign. This was built in our brand equity and heritage and it brings back the adventure and irreverence as expected from Outback. I especially like the just right part of that phrase as it reinforces the food and service promise to our customers. In addition, we spent more on marketing and advertising in 2023 to improve our share of voice in a highly competitive marketplace. Speaker 200:05:06During Q4, we saw a positive response to our additional marketing spend. We plan to increase our 2024 spending by approximately $20,000,000 This investment will improve our share of voice and build traffic utilizing a blend of television and high return digital tactics. The advertising highlights new menu innovation, accessible price points and great value. We also recognize the consumer may be more careful with their discretionary spending. Our current LTO, a 3 course Aussie dinner for $16.99 offers the customer a great value. Speaker 200:05:36We will continue to be thoughtful of our approach to overall pricing and discounting. The No Rules Just Right campaign and the marketing investment are just the start of the work underway at Outback. There'll be more to unveil on our strategy at Outback in the coming quarters. Since we are going to spend more on marketing in 2024 at Outback, we must make sure our operations are best in class. We will continue to focus on delivering a differentiated guest experience, specifically improved service and consistently great food. Speaker 200:06:03We are solving this through investments in technology such as server handheld new ovens and grills, as well as relentlessly focusing on key operational behaviors. As a result of this work, our internal customer measures have meaningfully improved. A couple of key leading indicators that we track are stake accuracy and consistency of experience. Over the last year, stake accuracy is up 400 basis points and consistency of experience is up 700 basis points. This progress is further validated by casual dining industry metrics, which have continued to improve. Speaker 200:06:36Friendly service and food quality are now 303.60 basis points ahead of our casual dining peers respectively. We are confident in the strategy at Outback and it is working. In 12 of the last 14 weeks, Outback has beaten the industry in comp sales growth. Based on recent trends, we expect to see OpEx perform above the industry and this is reflected in our guidance. On to our second priority, new unit development and improving our asset base. Speaker 200:07:03We are upgrading our assets through new openings, relocating and remodeling restaurants. We opened 6 new domestic units in 2023 and are on track to nearly triple that in 2024. We know that upgrading our assets is a big part of improving our traffic trends, especially at Outback. Our development pipeline for new restaurants remains very robust. We are opportunistic on relocations and continue to see outside sales lift on these investments. Speaker 200:07:27We successfully completed over 100 green miles in 2023 and we'll continue to work our way through the system in 2024. Our development efforts provide a runway for future growth, offer good returns and are a key part of our strategy. The last priority I'll discuss today is our leading off premises channel. The business has more than doubled since 2019 and currently represents 24% of our U. S. Speaker 200:07:49Sales. We were pioneers in the to go space and we continue to see robust demand in this highly incremental location. In addition, the success of our catering business at all of our brands, but particularly Carrabba's provides a runway for future growth. Next, let me comment on our restaurant closure initiative. We periodically review our asset base and in our latest review we made the decision to close 41 underperforming locations. Speaker 200:08:12The majority of these restaurants were older assets with leases from the 90s early 2000s. This decision considered a variety of factors including sales and traffic, trade areas and the investments that would have to be made to improve the restaurants. Despite this initiative, our confidence in our portfolio remains high as we plan to open 40 to 45 new 24. These are promising trade areas with great potential. It's critical to add that these closures are not a reflection of the hard work of our team members. Speaker 200:08:40As always, we'll take care of our people, offering many the opportunity to transfer to another restaurant and severance for those who do not. Importantly, the sales growth initiatives I described are supported by a solid foundation with healthy margins, robust cash flow and a strong balance sheet. This strength gives us the ability to invest in new unit development, technology enhancements and asset improvements while meeting our commitments. We remain dedicated to delivering great food and experience for our guests while building a strong business that will continue to thrive for many years to come. Before I turn the call over to Chris, I just wanted to comment on the 8 ks we sent out this morning regarding Chris' retirement from Bloomin' Brands. Speaker 200:09:16Chris has been a great partner to me the last 5 years as CFO. He has made many, many contributions to our company and he will be missed. The company is considering various options for his replacement. Chris is expected to continue in his current role until such a time as successor is named and otherwise assist in the transition. Chris, thank you for everything you have done for the company and for me. Speaker 200:09:38Over to you to discuss our financial performance and 2024 guidance. Speaker 300:09:43Thanks Dave for the kind words. It's been a privilege working with you and serving as our CFO for the last 5 years. I would like to start by providing a recap of our financial performance for the fiscal Q4 of 2023. Total revenues in Q4 were $1,190,000,000 which was up 9% from 2022. This was primarily driven by an additional $83,500,000 of revenue from our 53rd week, favorable foreign exchange translation and the net impact of restaurant openings and closures. Speaker 300:10:14U. S. Comparable restaurant sales came in just slightly below our expectations at negative 20 basis points. This reflects a comparable 14 week view versus 2022. Traffic in Q4 was down 3.1 percent, which represented a 160 basis point improvement in traffic from Q3. Speaker 300:10:34Average check was up 2.9% in Q4 versus 2022. As we mentioned in our prior calls, check average benefit decreased steadily throughout the year as we chose not to replicate the amount of menu pricing that had been taken in 2022. We remain very cautious about taking additional menu pricing particularly at Outback. Q4 off premises was approximately 24% of total U. S. Speaker 300:10:59Sales. Importantly, the highly incremental third party delivery business was 13% of total U. S. Sales, which was up from 12% in Q3, driven by our growth in catering. As it relates to other aspects of our Q4 financial performance, GAAP diluted earnings per share for the quarter was $0.45 versus $0.61 of diluted earnings per share in 2022. Speaker 300:11:22Adjusted diluted earnings per share was $0.75 versus $0.68 of adjusted diluted earnings per share in 2022. The primary difference between GAAP and adjusted diluted earnings per share is due to restaurant closing and asset impairment costs related to our restaurant closure initiative. Q4 adjusted restaurant level operating margins were 15.9% versus 16.8% last year. The reduction in restaurant margin from last year was driven by a couple of factors. First, as we mentioned on the last call, in Q4, we were lapping significant beef favorability from 2022. Speaker 300:12:02This lapping coupled with a smaller benefit from average check did not allow us to leverage the COGS line like we had throughout the 1st 3 quarters of 2023. 2nd, inflation levels remained somewhat elevated in Q4 and drove additional year over year margin unfavorability. Labor inflation was up 4.4% in Q4 and restaurant operating expense inflation was up 4.7%. Total company adjusted operating income margin was 7.5% in Q4 compared to 8.2% in 2022. Depreciation expense and general and administrative expense were both up in Q4 consistent with our increased levels of capital spending and our investments in infrastructure to support growth. Speaker 300:12:48As it relates to the 53rd week, we estimate that the benefit from the extra week was worth $0.16 of diluted EPS to our 2023 results. The week between Christmas and New Year's includes many of our busiest days of the year and this is reflected in the large EPS amount from this week. The operating margin for the 53rd week is higher than our normal operating margin because some of our fixed expenses such as rent and depreciation are recorded on a monthly basis and were not allocated to the 53rd week. Turning to our capital structure, total debt was $786,000,000 at the end of Q4. We have worked very hard coming out of COVID to reduce our debt levels and are pleased that our lease adjusted leverage ratio is solidly below our goal of 3 times with significant levels of liquidity. Speaker 300:13:38In terms of share repurchases, we repurchased 2,800,000 shares of stock in 2023 for $70,000,000 As indicated in this earnings earnings release, the board has canceled the existing $125,000,000 authorization and approved a new $350,000,000 authorization expiring in August of 2025. This is a larger authorization than we would normally put in place. The purpose of the authorization is twofold. 1st, $150,000,000 of this authorization allows us to continue to repurchase a typical volume of shares over the next 18 months. 2nd, our convertible bond matures in May of 2025. Speaker 300:14:22The remaining $200,000,000 of this authorization allows for flexibility to retire the convert sometime between now and next May. There are a number of ways to structure a potential transaction and these additional dollars give us the flexibility to retire the remaining $105,000,000 of principal on the convert and remove the dilution from the convert that currently exists in our share count. In our 2024 guidance, we are assuming approximately 4,000,000 shares related to the convert are included in our adjusted EPS calculation. The board also declared a quarterly dividend of $0.24 a share payable on March 20. Before I turn to 2024, I wanted to remind everyone that our full year 2023 adjusted results include the benefits from the Brazil tax legislation in the 53rd week. Speaker 300:15:15The Brazil tax legislation benefit was worth approximately $0.26 and the 53rd week was worth approximately $0.16 On a comparative 52 week basis, our 2023 adjusted diluted earnings per share result was $2.51 Now turning to our 2024 and Q1 guidance. We expect the full year U. S. Comparable restaurant sales to be flat to 2% on a comparable calendar basis. Adjusted diluted earnings per share are expected to be between $2.51 $2.66 We expect commodities inflation to be between 3% 4% driven in large part by beef inflation. Speaker 300:16:01We expect our full year tax rate assumption to be between 14% 16%. Capital expenditures are expected to be between $270,000,000 $290,000,000 Our level of capital spending accelerated late in 2023 as our new restaurant pipeline has grown. The 2024 capital plan includes dollars to support approximately 40 to 45 new restaurant openings, including significant Q4 spending for 2025 openings, as well as ongoing funding of remodel, relocation and infrastructure projects. The 53rd week in 2023 creates some complexity in comparing year over year results both for the full year and by quarter. Each fiscal quarter of 2024 will be comparing to a fiscal quarter from 2023 that includes a 1 week shift. Speaker 300:16:56This shift is especially impactful in the Q1. Please refer to the fiscal and comparable calendar dates table provided in our earnings release this morning to help you better understand our 2024 calendar. As it relates to the Q1, similar to the rest of the industry, we experienced negative impacts from weather in the 1st few weeks of the year. This represents a 1.3% comparable sales headwind to the quarter. We have included this thinking in our comparable sales guidance. Speaker 300:17:27As such, we expect U. S. Comparable restaurant sales to be down between 50 basis points and 200 basis points on a comparable calendar basis. The good news is we've seen continued sales growth ahead of the industry. In addition, our Valentine's Day week represented the strongest week in our company's history. Speaker 300:17:46This trend including the weather impact from the 1st 3 weeks are included in our guidance. We expect Q1 adjusted diluted earnings per share to be between $0.70 $0.75 which includes a negative $0.06 impact due to the calendar shift and an approximate $0.05 impact from weather at the beginning of the quarter. In addition, the removal of the Brazil tax exemption is a headwind of 0.08 dollars in Q1 versus 2023. In summary, we successfully navigated a challenging environment in Q4. We will remain disciplined in executing against our strategy in 2024 and will emerge a better, stronger operations focused company. Speaker 300:18:30And with that, we will open up the call for questions. Operator00:18:34Thank you. At this time, we'll be conducting a question and answer session. Our first question comes from the line of Jeffrey Bernstein with Barclays. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 400:19:10Great. Thank you very much. My question is on the broader consumer environment. Just curious, obviously, with multiple brands, you have pretty good perspective. Any change in consumer behavior in recent months impacting traffic or mix? Speaker 400:19:27I know you mentioned the risk of a slowing consumer in 2024. So just trying to gauge what you've seen in recent months. And then Chris, just to clarify, I think you said Valentine's Day very strong or Valentine's week. But more broadly, the trends since the first few weeks of January with the inclement weather, would you say that they're now back to the strength you were seeing to close the Q4? Or how would you gauge that more recent momentum? Speaker 400:19:49And then I had one follow-up. Speaker 200:19:52Yes. Good morning. Yes, we see the consumer hanging in there. Our trends, as I talked about on the call, we had a weak October, but they got stronger as the quarter moved along and we finished really strong. And then we had the 1st 3 weeks of weather, but then the strength that we've seen returned. Speaker 200:20:10And I'm really pleased with some of the trends we're seeing in our business, especially at Outback and Carrabba's. 12 of the last 14 weeks Outback has outperformed the industry. We expect that trend to continue. And we've tried to incorporate all that in our guidance. So we see the consumer hanging in there and we see our brands doing pretty well in trends. Speaker 300:20:32Yes. And the only thing I would add to that is that you asked about mix and mix trends. Yes. No, we're still and you saw it in the numbers. We're still seeing some negative mix trends show up in the financials. Speaker 300:20:42But at the same time, I think as we've said in the last couple of calls, a lot of that's engineered. The growth in catering at Carrabba's has been significant. The LTO activity has been very successful. So I think that it's been more engineered than anything else. Now that's not to say that there isn't some check management going on, but I don't think that's the lion's share of what we've been seeing. Speaker 400:21:02Understood. And then my follow-up is just more broadly, Dave, in the boardroom, I'm just wondering, has anything changed in recent months or quarters? There's activist involvement. I'm just wondering whether there's any change in perspective or priorities or how that investor and kind of the impact that you've seen, if any, as you look to your business through 2024? Thank you. Speaker 200:21:25Yes. We have a they've been a very positive part of our company, and we welcomed our 2 new board members, as you saw. We've had good interaction in the boardroom, good ideas and they've been a big part of helping us understand how we can move our businesses forward. And we're very optimistic about the year. And I think it's been a good partnership. Speaker 400:21:49Great to hear. Thank you very much. Operator00:21:54Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Alex Slagle with Jefferies. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 500:22:00All right. Thanks. Good morning. Good morning. Chris, congrats on a great career there and we'll all miss you for sure. Speaker 500:22:11I wanted to ask, I guess, just as you step back and think about all these efforts you've made improving the guest experience at Outback and investing simplification, better service remodels. I mean, how far have you gone along the spectrum of what you think you need to do to position this brand as a share gainer? And I know we have more that we'll hear about in the quarters to come, but I wanted to sort of think about that. And I don't know if there's even a way to add specific dollar amounts to how much you've invested and how much you think you need to do in the core experience, but any thoughts around that? Speaker 200:22:53Sure. I think we've made progress, but we have more to do. I don't know if I should give a football analogy or a scale of 1 to 10, but I think we've made progress. We're seeing it in our trends, which especially at the end of last year and in the Q1 of this year at OpEx. But when you look at the work we've done to understand our consumer and in the post COVID environment and sharpen our positioning, that's been done. Speaker 200:23:17I think you look at the no rules just right position we've started, that started more work to do there. If you look at the food and service elements that we've invested in, we've invested some, but we have even more to do I think on some of the service elements and some of the food elements. We talked about the additional spending in marketing in 2024. We're seeing some return on that. We've opened up 6 new restaurants and we're going to open up 15 to 18 in 2024 and then we're remodeling. Speaker 200:23:44So it's Alex has started, but we have more to do and I think we're beginning to see it in the trend change in the business. Speaker 500:23:55Got it. And those the closures, how many of those effectively would have been relocations? Is the relocation pipeline sort of still the same as it was before? Or how does that look? And I mean maybe any thoughts on like the cash flow and cash return profile of these new units? Speaker 500:24:15Yes. Speaker 300:24:16So I'll give you some perspective. No, none of these would be considered relocation opportunities. I think the relocations this year will probably have another 5 or so. I think that we like the cadence that we have in terms of relocations. Every time we relocate a new Outback, see significant sales lifts. Speaker 300:24:34And I think that the just to sort of piggyback on the question to Dave about Outback, I think that the relocation and what we see when we do a relocation is one of the reasons why we really believe in the relevance and the strength of the Outback brand because every time we do that, we see such positive results. Now what I would say is like from a new unit perspective, obviously, we're seeing pretty good cash on cash returns. We think about allocation of capital. We get asked a lot, why are you investing so much in new units? We're getting solid returns on these new units. Speaker 300:25:08They're in infill opportunities in strong markets with strong demographics. And obviously, I mean, I think from a capital allocation perspective, if we were seeing that we weren't getting the returns that we need to justify the investment, then we would use those dollars elsewhere. So we feel really good about kind of the whole strategy and how we're deploying capital. Speaker 500:25:27Thank you. Operator00:25:31Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of John Ivankoe with JPMorgan. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 600:25:38Hi, thank you. The question is around menu simplification and I guess a couple of things. I mean, one, how far down this journey are you in terms of yet another significant reduction in menu items at Outback? Obviously, that would come with reduced complexity. In some cases, it actually may come with reduced costs. Speaker 600:25:58So I just wanted to get your sense of how big of an opportunity you guys see that to be as kind of the first question? And then secondly, are there any opportunities for kind of longer term price investments of the Outback brand? I mean are there some opportunities on the menu where you could sell a lot more certain foods including foods that are regularly priced on the menu of actually lowering the menu prices and maybe in some cases bringing them a little bit closer to where peers are? Speaker 200:26:29Yes, John. I think on a simplification side, that's something we have always looked at and we are continuing to look at. And I think that's a good point that you make. And it's something that works we're looking at in the marketplace. I don't want to get any further than that because of competitive reasons, but I think you've hit on something that we're looking at. Speaker 200:26:46And that brings us improved operations. And I talked on the call about the progress we're making. And if we can make it with the technology and with some of the work we're doing on the menu, if we can make it easier for operators to serve product and easier for customers to navigate the menu that could be an opportunity for us. So we're looking at that number 1. Number 2 is the way we tried to get about this John is if you look at our combo pricing, that's something that's very attractive versus competitors. Speaker 200:27:13If you look at what we're doing with the Aussie 3 course meal at $16.99 that works very well. And we're also potentially looking at some high quality menu items that may be a little bit lower price that we would introduce on the menu to help offset some of the pricing at Outback some of the pricing perceptions at Outback. So those are the things that we're doing. It's looking at our combo pricing. We're looking at some of the LTOs that we're doing and advertising against that. Speaker 200:27:38And we're also looking at some of the menu items that we can bring in place that might be a little a lower price point, but offer high value and high quality. Speaker 400:27:48Thank you. Operator00:27:52Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Sharon Zackfia with William Blair. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 700:27:59Hi, good morning. Can you give us some more texture around the closures and what concepts were impacted besides OzzieGrill? I know that they were older locations, but any commonality other than the fact that they were older? And then how do we think about the impact of those closures on revenue and margins as we think about 2024? Speaker 300:28:23Yes. They're split across the portfolio. So there was mostly Outback, but there was a handful in the other concepts as well. There we talked about the revenue impact, sort of about $100,000,000 of actual revenue would come out of related disclosures. But actually, it's profit accretive, right? Speaker 300:28:42That's part of the reason why we're making this move. We're probably going to add about $4,000,000 of EBIT to the bottom line results of the company this year as a result of the closures. Speaker 200:28:52The other thing, Sharon, is we're opening 40 to 45 new restaurants to bring and those restaurants will be far more visible, attractive, higher performing across the portfolio. And so that will really help as well. Speaker 700:29:10Thanks for that. And I think you alluded to in the CapEx kind of maybe a further acceleration and development in 2025, if I'm kind of triangulating the commentary there correctly. Is that the case? And from 40 to 45 new locations this year, what I mean, what kind of cadence of growth do you think you can maintain as you get into 2025, 2026 and beyond? Speaker 200:29:37Yes. Sharon, I love our pipeline. Our real estate team has done a great job. You're correct. We would like to improve the cadence and raise the cadence as we go forward. Speaker 200:29:46As Chris mentioned, we're always on top of our returns to make sure that the returns are great. But we have a pipeline building that is very, very strong, especially in our stronghold markets in the Southeast. Yes. And maybe just to give Speaker 300:29:58you a little context on the capital guide and how that comes together a little bit. So one of the dynamics that you are going to have in the 2024 capital spending is that in 2023, we had about $65,000,000 of restaurant technology. That spend is going to fall off in 2024, but we are then going to have an increase in the number of new units that you're going to see in the numbers. So it's really just a trade between the technology and the restaurants increasing the number of new units. Speaker 700:30:28Very helpful. Thank you. Operator00:30:32Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jeff Farmer with Gordon Haskett. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 800:30:40Thanks and best of luck to Chris with everything you're going to be pursuing in the future. A couple of questions for you. Anything you can offer on the sort of the component assumptions across pricing traffic mix as it relates to that flat to 2% same store sales guidance for 2024? Speaker 300:31:00Yes, sure. I'll give you some perspective. So I think if you think about traffic, there's a pretty wide range of possible outcomes here. I'd say anywhere from flat, which I think is certainly doable, but also down to like maybe down to 2%. A lot of it's going to depend on sort of the external environment. Speaker 300:31:15But there's also a couple of things worth calling out on that. I mean, first, we're going to start out in a little bit of a hole here in Q1 because of the weather from a traffic perspective. And then I would say candidly, the category is measured by Black Box or NAP or wherever you choose to look at the category. Look, it's likely going to have a negative traffic outlook for 2024. And I don't think that's anything new. Speaker 300:31:36I mean, I think that outside of a couple of years around COVID, the category is generally speaking been down 2% to 3% pretty much every year that I can remember going back quite a ways. So I think those two things taken in perspective, it is our goal and it is our commitment to try to outperform the category in traffic this year, which is why if the category is down 2% to 3%, our traffic is going to be flat to down 2% in that range. We expect to outperform it. The category does a little better because consumer seems to be hanging in there, then of course we have opportunity to have some upside there. So that's how I always think about traffic. Speaker 300:32:10Now in terms of average check pricing etcetera, start with average check In the full year guide, it assumes an average check increase of call it 2% to 3%. And that's going to be comprised of about, I'd say 3.5% or so of pricing and then some negative mix. And that negative mix again is driven by some of the things I talked about in terms of catering growth, LTO activity, things like that. The pricing assumption is going to have about 2% or so rollover pricing and then a small amount of incremental pricing over the balance of the year. Again, I mean, the commodity environment is going to be somewhat benign, but the one area where it's not benign is in the beef markets. Speaker 300:32:48And so we're going to have significant beef inflation against this year. And so some of that incremental pricing is going to be meant to offset that. Speaker 900:32:56All right. That's helpful. Speaker 800:32:57And then just as a follow-up, as it relates to again sort of the increased level of media, have you sort of fully implemented that across Q4 into the 1st part of 1Q? Or is this going to sort of slowly build? How should we be thinking about the ongoing effort sort of get a stronger media and share a voice out there? Speaker 200:33:21Yes, Jeff. 2 ways to think about it. 1, it will build and we will always look at the ideas we have and I'm pretty excited about a couple of the ideas coming up, balance of the year. And so the ideas will the funding will follow the ideas. So we see that there. Speaker 200:33:37It will build during the year and then we will fully support our ideas with strong share of voice. Speaker 1000:33:44Thank Operator00:33:48you. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Sara Senatore with Bank of America. Please proceed with your Speaker 1100:33:55question. Thank you. I guess I'm trying to understand how you are thinking about capital allocation by which I mean mean, the relos obviously have high returns, but is there a scenario where if you reinvested that money elsewhere, maybe not in in OpEx, maybe even more marketing or labor, something like that, where you could get you think you could see a return across the system just because the relocations obviously help the individual as I think about the guidance, it looks a little heavier on CapEx than we had thought. And so wondering how you kind of compare ROI across the different uses of capital within the P and L or in CapEx? And then I just have a quick clarifying question. Speaker 200:34:43Sure. We look at that very carefully across the P and L, but look at our labor investments, our food investments and then also CapEx. One of our ways to unlock traffic growth, especially at Outback where we have older assets is refreshment of the really strong assets, relocations and new. And that will uplift the entire trade area. And as we did our relocations excuse me, as we did our remodels in 2023, we tried to concentrate them, for instance, in Florida, and we saw the benefit of that concentration. Speaker 200:35:13So as we look across the P and L, we look at the investments we want to make in labor, we look at the investments we want to make in food, but in advertising, but then also we look at our capital and we know that the cash on cash return we receive is strong and then what it does for the entire marketplace and then what it does for traffic as we uplift our assets. Speaker 300:35:32Yes. And we've made decisions like that in the past. I mean, we certainly have whether it's increasing portion sizes at some of our brands or adding a second side, there have been reinvestments back in areas where we think it makes sense. So certainly, one of the advantages of having a significant amount of free cash flow like we have is that you're able to make these kind of investments and decisions and still leave yourself in a really good shape from a capital structure standpoint. Speaker 1100:35:58Got it. Thank you. So just to clarify some of what you're doing has broader implications that you say for the trade area. So the perception of the customers in that trade area from relow or remodel may reverberate throughout the trade area. Is that fair? Speaker 200:36:16Yes. There's nothing like a new outback or 2 in a trade in a city to attract people and say, wow, look at that, especially in our new prototypes, which we think are very attractive. So that's part of the traffic building as well for the entire trade area. Speaker 300:36:28We factor in and we'll factor in cannibalization when we come up with returns for new restaurant investments. So if there's a if we're going and entering a restaurant and a charity where we already have a significant presence, we factor in potential cannibalization into our model to make sure that we're making the right decisions. Speaker 1100:36:44Got it. Okay. Thank you. And then just a technical question. Am I understanding correctly, the repurchase would just offset the dilution from the convert? Speaker 1100:36:54Is that is it sort of pretty much a wash? Speaker 300:36:59Well, yes. And so the convert gets pretty complicated. But let me so let me just try to frame the $300,000,000 because it's an important part of what we're trying to do here. The 3 $50,000,000 share repurchase authorization. So you can put aside the $150,000,000 right, because the $150,000,000 is just normal course of business. Speaker 300:37:15We did $70,000,000 of share repurchases in 2023. We got another $150,000,000 for the next 18 months. That's pretty much normal course of business. The remaining $200,000,000 it just gives us optionality. And again, I'm not going to get too much into timing because timing could be anywhere between now and next May when the convert comes to maturity. Speaker 300:37:36But what I can say about how it would be performed is, at the end of the day, what would likely be the outcome is that you would have of that $200,000,000 of share repurchases, you would just have the 4,000,000 shares that are currently sitting in my adjusted earnings per share share count, those shares would come out of the share count using the funds from the 200,000,000 dollars The remainder of it, the $105,000,000 that's the principal on the convert. There's just some options between I can do some share buybacks and issuing shares etcetera. There's just some arbitrage there. That's really more just a refinancing kind of event. The real impact to share count would be that 4,000,000 shares that are sitting currently in my adjusted share count, if that makes sense. Speaker 1100:38:23Great. Thank you very much. Very helpful. Operator00:38:28Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Brian Harbour with Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 1000:38:35Thanks. Good morning. Yes, and Chris, best Speaker 200:38:37of luck to you. Speaker 1000:38:40Just a question on did you saw what you expect wage inflation to be this year? And I think a broader question about labor. Do you feel like there's kind of a need to reinvest in labor or or add some to stores as you think about kind of building traffic this year? Speaker 200:38:56Yes. I think our labor models are very well established, well run. We've invested behind the technology to enable our servers. We've invested in cooking technology to enable our back of the house. The service model is strong and we feel very good about it. Speaker 200:39:12So the labor spending at the restaurant level, number of hours etcetera is in really good shape. Speaker 300:39:19And you asked about inflation. Look, yes, I mean, look, Brent, I think that yes, I think inflation call it 4.5%. It just seems like that 4% to 5% range of inflation is just pretty sticky. And I don't see it going anywhere anytime in the future, particularly since we have such a presence why the productivity initiatives and things like that become so important because you need some offsets. You can't just take unlimited amounts of pricing to offset that. Speaker 300:39:52And that's why we focus so much on making sure we do the right thing with productivity. Speaker 1000:39:58Okay. Yes, got it. Thanks. Maybe I'll take the bait on your comment about kind of the work you've done to your customer. What's changed, I guess? Speaker 1000:40:06Or what was some of your key insights from that work you've done? Speaker 200:40:11Yes. I don't want to get into too much detail for competitive reasons, but a couple of things. One, our core is loves Outback Steakhouse and they continue to say that again and again and again. And I think we have some permission from some of our explorers out there that might be looking at some other categories of interest, but the focus is on the core. And if we can pick a few explorers that look at other categories besides state, I think Outback has the permission to do that. Speaker 200:40:39And the last thing is the reinforcement of how Outback is such an adventurous steakhouse and we have a lot of support for our long heritage of No Rules Just Right or Aussie heritage etcetera. All those things came to light as we continue to do our research. Operator00:41:02Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Laura with Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 700:41:09Hi, thank you. On advertising, I want to ask a bit more there and your approach to marketing. What type of messaging are you going to lean into 2024? How much more in value do we need to see? And then just in terms of how we think about the step up in advertising spend? Speaker 200:41:29Yes. It will move up during the year, but I think more importantly, it'll do it'll be with ideas that we have, which I'm like I said before, I'm very optimistic about. I think if you can if we can do the combo of products that consumers really love and I don't want to get into detail here along with a good value. I think that's the magic that we can bring together at Outback especially to help grow traffic in our advertising and our consumer awareness and excitement. I think that's clearly something that we can do because we have a heritage of that. Speaker 200:42:02The second thing is, like I said, you'll see the step up of spending during the year as the ideas come to fruition, and we'll continue to track that return as we go forward. And lastly, I think we have a much better understanding we've talked about in other calls on the way to advertise be it digital versus network versus television. Those are things that we can also look at and change the mix around as we need to. So those are the things that we're doing with our advertising investment and we continue to track the returns and what we can do going forward. Speaker 700:42:35Okay. Thank you. And then just on restaurant shop margin, what's embedded in the guide this year? And can you just talk about how should you think about the cadence of margin throughout the year? Thank you. Speaker 300:42:47Yes. I think as you look at we'll start with operating margins and we'll talk about restaurant margins at the same time. I think but to give perspective, we finished at 7.6% in our op margin line in 2023. 50 basis points of that was driven by the 53rd week in the Brazil tax exemption. So you're not going to have those in 2024. Speaker 300:43:08So if you exclude those 2 and you say your starting point is at 7.1%. Look, with the guide we gave, I'd expect op margin to be slightly up to slightly down, probably flattish depending on where we land within our guidance range, in and around, call it, 7% or so, which is, again, as a reminder, it's 210 basis points above where we were in 2019 despite what continues to be very persistent inflation. So you think about it from a restaurant margin and a category perspective, I think cost of goods sold and OpEx, just given where the productivity dollars will probably land and some of the inflation that we're seeing in those categories, COGS is a little bit less inflation this year. Those both those categories have a decent chance to be favorable in terms of margin year over year. Labor is probably the one category that's most likely to be a little higher year over year, given the inflation that I just talked about that 4% to 5% inflation. Speaker 300:44:03And then the other piece is when you go further down the P and L, the one, G and A we'd like to keep somewhat flat on a dollar basis, but depreciation is going to be higher obviously with the capital spend. So I would expect depreciation as a percentage of total revenues to be higher as well. So that gives you a little bit of sense of how to think about the pieces parts. Speaker 700:44:23Thank you. Very helpful. Operator00:44:27Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Brian Vaccaro with Raymond James. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 1200:44:34Hi, thanks and good morning and congrats, Chris. Best of luck to you. So just circling back on the Outback comps for a second, could you be a little more specific on the degree of improvement you've seen or how much that spread versus the industry has improved over the last few months? And also just given the unusual swings on weather in January, any way you could level set how your U. S. Speaker 1200:44:57Comps look more recently as the weather has normalized? Speaker 200:45:01Yes. I don't want to get into specific percentage points versus the industry, Brian. I hope you understand that, but I think you know me pretty well. We've gone from a place in especially in the fall when Outback was behind the industry in same store sales growth to a point in December and then into Q1, we're consistently ahead. And we're very pleased about that. Speaker 200:45:28And that's the beginning of the that's the result of the beginning of the work we're doing and we can see going forward some of the work we're doing to help that trend continue and hopefully strengthen. But that is about all I can say right now. I don't want to get into price points per se. After the weather, the 1st 3 weeks, we've seen the trend resume that we saw in December and the last few weeks have shown just that. And so we tried to bundle all that into our guidance for the quarter. Speaker 1200:45:58Okay, fair enough. And on that spread, is it fair to say that that spread is positive on both a comp and traffic basis? Speaker 200:46:07Yes. Yes. Okay. Brian, before I get into next question, I just want to mention one thing that has gotten a lot of attention on this call. But I just need to say a couple of things about the Carrabba's team and how great they're doing. Speaker 200:46:22And if you look at their trends versus the I excuse me for interrupting you, but I just wanted to mention Speaker 1200:46:35that. No, absolutely and definitely noted. My other question was just on the 4th quarter store margin dynamics. Labor and other OpEx moved a little differently than we were expecting. And I guess on labor, that little over 100 basis points of pressure, I think you saw year on year. Speaker 1200:46:52Could you just give some color on what drove that and to what degree you reinvested in hours or service in the quarter? Speaker 300:47:01Yes. Well, I wouldn't say so much reinvestment in hours for service. I think the labor dynamics that you see in Q4 was mostly inflation, but we did have some additional compensation expenses related to relative to last year, specifically related to the 53rd week. As we pay our partners on a percentage of cash flow, that 53rd week was just outsized and it just we just lost some leverage on that line. And then we were lapping some stuff from a year ago from a one time perspective that wasn't as big, but those are kind of the big buckets. Speaker 300:47:32I mean, I think that broadly speaking, Brian, the Q4 margin performance, what we really tried to tune people into was the fact that the COGS line was going to move the way that it did because we had been leveraging that restaurant margin favorably up until Q4. But we talked about the idea that we weren't going to leverage the COGS line just because some of the beef activity that we had a year ago. So that was probably the biggest dynamic. But yes, labor was a little higher, but I think it had a lot to do with just kind of that dynamics of the 53rd week and how that came together. Speaker 1200:48:04Okay. Thank you for that. And just on the topic of productivity, if I could, last one. What level of savings did you achieve in 2023? And could you provide a few more specifics on what some of the key drivers of efficiency in 2024 will be? Speaker 300:48:20Yes. So we ended up at about $55,000,000 or so of productivity in 2023. And again, I think the buckets that we saw in 2023 are largely going to be the buckets that we would see in 2024. Again, I think we're going after another $50,000,000 of productivity this year. A lot of it is going to be driven by the restaurant technology that we put in place. Speaker 300:48:43But another big piece is going to be supply chain related, because there's a lot of opportunities there that we've been looking at, as well as some of the menu work and things that Dave talked about. So it's going to be pretty broadly spread across the P and L between COGS and labor, etcetera. Again, maybe a little more weighted to cost of goods sold, but we'll see. Speaker 200:49:01I just want to underscore too, Brian, the productivity we'll do we do will not touch food quality and not touch service levels. It's pure getting our great products and our service to our people in a more efficient manner. So that's extremely important to us. Speaker 1200:49:16All right. Thank you very much. I'll pass it along. Operator00:49:21Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Brian Mullen with Piper Sandler. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 1300:49:29Thank you. Just a question on Brazil. Can you just touch on the operating environment down there right now? What you expect to see as you put together the guidance for the year? And then just related to that, I know you've been asked this many times in the past, but if you could just give your current thinking on your desire to own those restaurants longer term and if the current environment is conducive to taking any action on that front for the foreseeable future? Speaker 200:49:53Sure. The environment remains good. Inflation has come down. Interest rates are still pretty high down there, but the consumer is in good shape. We had a tremendous sales improvement last year at this time probably because of the World Cup. Speaker 200:50:09So that was a very difficult lappage, but they're able to do. And so the new openings are fantastic. Our position is unparalleled number 1. And so the operating environment we believe continues to be really, really strong. So that is that's important. Speaker 200:50:26The second piece is we've looked at in the past about potentially having that business be a franchise business. That still is something that we may or may not consider. We'll just continue to look at the environment and then the value we get from the business and as we move forward. So we continue to look at optionality down there. But right now our job is to continue to build a great business. Speaker 1300:50:50Okay. And then just as a follow-up, just a question on Bonefish. Can you touch on some of the in store sales trends recently? Maybe what's going on with that brand? What are the key priorities for that brand this year over the next few years? Speaker 1300:51:04Just what's the team going to be focused on? Speaker 200:51:06I think for us, we have to do some more work there. Some of the work that we did at Outback quite frankly is get a better understanding of our customer in this post COVID environment. I think that's something that we need to focus in on. We're doing that work right now. Is there a menu investment and simplification opportunities that we can do? Speaker 200:51:24We're looking at that. We've invested in operations both in technology, but also focusing on key measures such as speed of service in our bar and for our food, because it's such a bar centered concept. It's our highest mixing beer liquor wine business and casual dining. And we continue to refresh our assets at Bonefish. So those kind of the 4 pronged strategy there. Speaker 200:51:47It's not a growth vehicle for us. We'll continue to upgrade the assets and we'll continue to do the customer and menu work to get that brand trends to improve. Speaker 1000:51:58Thank Operator00:52:01you. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Dennis Geiger with UBS. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 800:52:08Great. Thanks guys. Encouraging to hear about the progress that you're continuing to see across the Outback operations and the customer satisfaction scores, etcetera. And I can personally attest to some of the positive customer experience benefits from the server handhelds and in some visits recently. So just wondering if there's you could talk a little more about the opportunity for operations gains. Speaker 800:52:31Where is it consistency of speed, food? Where sort of the biggest opportunities that you've identified lie? And I guess most importantly, sort of how long you think it takes to get to, I think the best in class levels that you spoke to as a target? Speaker 200:52:46Yes. We're making significant progress in our operating measures. So we'll continue to make progress each and every month. And our goal is certainly as soon as we can, I don't want to make a specific prediction, but it's something that we are all over and I'm very pleased with the operating measures we're seeing both in the internal progress we're making, but also externally with Technomic and other people that do a lot of work for us externally? So that is really a great thing to see. Speaker 200:53:15So that's the first. The second thing is, I think it's more around the trade off at the restaurant between variety and menu simplification. Can we continue to make progress there as we do our work? So there's more work coming out back there. Number 2 is really leveraging our technology. Speaker 200:53:33You saw the benefit of the handheld that's clearly happening. The grills have been a big success. If you look at re cooks and reorders and steak satisfaction that's been very, very strong. And then as we continue to do this, in casual dining, the customer comes 2 or 3 times a year. We've just got to continue to make progress here. Speaker 200:53:53That will be a reinforcement in building traffic. And then as we look at our chances to help our managing partners and our teams to offer great service, those are the things that we're looking at. Speaker 800:54:07Very helpful. Appreciate that. And then just second question, just as it relates to some of the bunch of the traffic drivers that you've spoken to, bunch of the work that the team has been doing. As we think about maybe some of the biggest drivers for this year, if there are a couple that you think can be most impactful this year and then if there are some that are kind of most impactful full on a multi year basis, would there be anything that you'd kind of break out there? Thank you. Speaker 200:54:33Yes. I love some of our product and marketing ideas coming up. And I like the fact that we're looking at how we're spending our advertising dollars and how we're doing it to support those ideas. So in the near term that's clearly something that we'll be looking at and very hopeful for. Longer term, some of the menu work we talked about, continue with our positioning is really important. Speaker 200:54:54I think the asset upgrades, if you live in Florida and go into our Outback, most of them are remodeled now and you can see it. Those are things longer term are going to really help us. So our operations longer term, our asset investment longer term, our menu work, We want to balance some short term gains, which I think are possible along with some of the strong long term things that we have in place at Outback. Very helpful. Thank you. Operator00:55:23Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jon Tower with Citi. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 1000:55:29Great, thanks. I appreciate it. And Chris, best of luck. Look forward to seeing what you do next. Curious, maybe on the $16.99 Aussie 3 course meal, I'm just curious to get your thoughts on how you think about everyday value on your own menu today? Speaker 1000:55:48And do you feel like that is a decent launch and or something that you can continue to evolve over time to have an everyday value option for consumers over time? Speaker 200:56:00Yes. I think it's the first step and I think it's something we'll continue to look at for in our various limited time offer opportunities. We can certainly look at that. But then as I mentioned earlier on the call, John, we're also looking at some products that may have a lower price point. They're still really great products that are good return to the company, but also great offer great value to the customer. Speaker 200:56:20So we're doing some of that work on the menu side as well, but we have the opportunity through our combos and through selected LTOs with the right marketing spend to drive value in the brand. Speaker 1000:56:32In the menu items you speak of, do you see those as permanent or LTO? Speaker 200:56:36We are thinking that they would be permanent, but they have to earn their right onto the menu. Speaker 1000:56:41Got it. And then I guess just kind of zooming out a little bit and thinking about the business. I know for a few years, you've been aiming toward that 8% or so EBIT margin target and had exceeded it at the to get your thoughts on how you see it evolving over the next several years. I would assume, I'm to get your thoughts on how you see it evolving over the next several years. I would assume, obviously, 2024 is going to be a more difficult year for that. Speaker 1000:57:04But beyond 2024 and into 2025, how should we think about your ability as a company to get back to that 8% or so target? Speaker 200:57:12Yes. Before I turn it over to Chris, I just want to mention, there's a very benign commodity basket. One exception that's beef. And so, we don't want to price up to cover that beef cost entirely. So we have to continue looking at our margins to look at that and how it means what it means for our customer. Speaker 200:57:32And I want to make that broad point first before I turn it over to Chris. Speaker 300:57:35Yes. Well, I think that look, longer term, I think we still feel good about using 8% as an operating margin target. I think the problem has been in the time period between 2022 2024, we've had this massive inflation that's been really tough to leverage, not just for us, but candidly for everyone who's trying to be thoughtful about menu pricing and things and balancing that dynamic. And look, the good news is, is I think that despite the inflation, margins are kind of hanging in there. And so as you think about like what's the path forward, I'd say the key areas we probably need to make progress on in 2024 would be, 1st and foremost, we need to continue to make traffic progress at Outback because traffic ultimately is going to be a lever moving forward that you're going to have to leverage in order to continue to make progress on margins. Speaker 300:58:212nd, once you start to see the new restaurants ramp up, you'll begin to leverage depreciation, etcetera, and you'll make more progress on that in 2024. And then I think that the last thing is once the beef situation improves, you'll have the makings of a much better landscape from an inflation standpoint to make progress on margins. So I think the signs are encouraging. And I think that looking ahead to 2025 and beyond, there's some reasons to believe. Speaker 1000:58:45Got it. Thanks for taking the question. Operator00:58:50Thank you. Our final question this morning comes from the line of Andrew Strelzik with BMO Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 900:58:58Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking the questions. I just had 2 on the cost side. The first one is back on the marketing spend. You mentioned that it's going to ramp through the year. Speaker 900:59:08So is it fair to assume that that would hold at a higher level in 2025 as well? And maybe more importantly, are you going to be exiting this year at a more kind of steady state level? I think if I'm looking at this right, you'd be kind of like 2.5%, maybe a little bit higher than that percent of sales. So still a bit of a gap from where you were pre COVID, but just curious how Speaker 400:59:26we should think about that trending? Speaker 300:59:28So I'll start and I'll turn it over to Dave. Yes, I think the way I think about 2024 marketing is yes, it will be higher. It's probably going to be higher in every quarter, to be honest, even Q1 than it was a year ago. So there's going to be increases in marketing spend. I think that we've talked about marketing. Speaker 300:59:42We've talked about this for years in terms of we used to spend 3.5% of sales on marketing. Got down to the low 2s. We recognized that we've always talked about, hey, look, even when we laid out that margin framework a couple of years ago, we said, hey, look, we think the sweet spot for marketing is probably in that 2.5% to 3% of sales range. I think that's kind of where we really think it's going to be long term as well. So I think that if we land this year sort of in that 2% to 3% range, then I would say that that's probably a good thought for us moving forward. Speaker 301:00:08But obviously the spending can ramp up as our sales increase. So I think we feel good about it as a percentage of sales. Speaker 201:00:16Yes. And I just like to say in our company the money follows the ideas and good ideas get supported and we'll continue to have that discipline. Speaker 901:00:26Okay. That makes sense. And then just my other one was on the commodity outlook. It sounds like really only beef as a problem child there and you've been able to lock beef on an annual basis the last couple of years. Were you able to do that again this year? Speaker 901:00:36I'm just curious on the visibility to that commodity outlook. Thanks. Speaker 301:00:39Yes. Same thing. We're probably 74% locked on our basket for the year, 74%, 75%, somewhere in there. Beef is 100% locked. Obviously, as in prior years though, we're hopeful that the market continues to make progress. Speaker 301:00:53And if it does, hopefully, we can take advantage of some of that upside. Operator01:01:00Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes our question and answer session. I'll turn the floor back to Mr. Dena for any final comments. Speaker 201:01:07Thank you everybody for your time this morning. We look forward to updating you on our Q1 call later this year. And Chris, thank you for everything you've done for our company. Thank you. Thanks everybody. Operator01:01:20Thank you. This concludes today's conference call. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for yourRead morePowered by