NYSE:PRA ProAssurance Q4 2023 Earnings Report $23.04 -0.02 (-0.09%) As of 06/12/2025 03:58 PM Eastern ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast ProAssurance EPS ResultsActual EPS-$0.05Consensus EPS $0.04Beat/MissMissed by -$0.09One Year Ago EPS$0.06ProAssurance Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$296.96 millionExpected Revenue$252.74 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$44.22 millionYoY Revenue Growth+0.80%ProAssurance Announcement DetailsQuarterQ4 2023Date2/27/2024TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateWednesday, February 28, 2024Conference Call Time10:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsProAssurance's Q2 2025 earnings is scheduled for Wednesday, August 6, 2025, with a conference call scheduled on Friday, August 8, 2025 at 4:00 PM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Annual Report (10-K)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by ProAssurance Q4 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrFebruary 28, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 9 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good morning, everyone. Welcome to ProAssurance's Conference Call to discuss the company's 4th Quarter 2023 Results. I'd like to remind you that the call is being recorded, Now I'll turn the call over to Frank O'Neill. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:19Good morning, everyone. We reported on 4th quarter results in the news release issued February 27, 2024, and in our report on Form 10 ks, which was also filed yesterday on February 27, 2024. Included in those documents were cautionary statements about significant risks, uncertainties and other factors that are out of the company's control and could affect ProAssurance's business and alter expected results. Please review those statements. This morning, our management team will be discussing selected aspects of the quarterly results on this call, and investors should review the filing on Form 10 ks and accompanying press releases for full and complete information. Speaker 100:01:02We expect to make statements on this call dealing with projections, estimates and expectations, and we explicitly identify these as forward looking statements within the meaning of the U. S. Federal securities law and subject to applicable safe harbor protections. The content of this call is accurate only on February 28, 2024. Except as required by law or regulation, ProAssurance will not undertake and expressly disclaims any obligation to update or alter information disclosed as part of these forward looking statements. Speaker 100:01:39Our management team also expects to reference non GAAP during today's call. The company's recent news release provides a reconciliation of these non GAAP numbers to their GAAP counterparts. On the call with me today will be Ned Rand, President and CEO Dana Hendricks, the Chief Financial Officer Also joining today are executive leadership team members Rob Francis, Kevin Shook and Karen Murphy. Speaker 200:02:05Now I'm going Speaker 100:02:05to turn the call over to Ned. Speaker 200:02:08Thank you, Frank, and good morning, everyone. I want to address the headline number upfront. Our per share operating loss was $0.05 in the quarter, primarily reflecting the continuation of significant increases in losses in our workers' compensation book of business. The results are disappointing, but are a direct result of our commitment to protecting our balance sheet and our insureds. ProAssurance remains committed to a long term strategy that we believe will ultimately create sustained profitability. Speaker 200:02:40At the same time, we have to recognize the headwinds presented by the current difficult market conditions and a very challenging litigation climate. Our experience has shown us that responding with pricing actions and a focus on underwriting discipline, while adapting to the evolution of our target markets, will propel us on a positive trajectory. While we remain confident that the strategies we have implemented will return ProAssurance to acceptable levels of profitability, we have to acknowledge that it is taking longer than we anticipated. The reality on the ground today is a loss environment that continues to worsen and has prevented us from making as much progress as we would like. Our financial performance, unfortunately, masks the tremendous progress we have made within our organization to streamline operations, refocus our business and make the organization more cohesive and effective. Speaker 200:03:36We remain confident this progress will make a difference over time. The competitive environment in both our Specialty P and C and Workers' Compensation Insurance segments continues to present a challenge. However, in both lines of business, we saw gains in new business that we believe to be well priced, while renewal retention remains strong. Our operating decisions in light of competitive pressures resulted in an overall drop in gross premiums. A substantial amount of lost business was the result of our disciplined underwriting, our pursuit of rate adequacy and our decisions to walk away from business that could not be written profitably. Speaker 200:04:14The new business we do write and the policies we renew are at rates we believe will ultimately perform better than the business we are non renewing. When we add or retain business at these rates, it confirms our ability to present the market with an option to select high quality coverage and superior service, both attributes which have been the bedrock of our profitability in the past and we believe will be so in the future. Now I want to make some general comments regarding our operating segments. 1st, Specialty P and C, where social and medical inflation continue to drive judgments and settlements higher, and we're reflecting that in our underwriting, pricing and reserving. Given the substantial deterioration in the litigation climate in recent years, our drive for additional rate will continue for the foreseeable future. Speaker 200:05:02In workers' compensation, we continue to be cautious about claims cost as the trends noted last quarter are unabated. Despite the fact that we are seeing continued reductions in claim frequency, the average medical cost per claim continues to rise as we see the dual effects of wage inflation for healthcare workers and increasing cost tied to the introduction of new medical treatments and technologies. We believe we are ahead of the industry in recognizing these trends because of the short tailed nature of our book. As a reminder, we close cases approximately 40% faster than the industry, leaving us with fewer open claims at any one time compared to other companies in this line of business. And in our industry, the longer a claim is open, the more costly it becomes, which is why we focus on getting injured workers back to productivity as quickly as possible through early intervention and in-depth case management. Speaker 200:05:53Frank? Speaker 100:05:53Thank you, Ned. We'll next go to Dana, who will review some specific segment results and provide highlights from the balance sheet and investment returns. Dana? Speaker 300:06:04Thanks, Frank. Our operating loss in the quarter was $2,500,000 or $0.05 per diluted share with the difference between net income of $6,000,000 and the operating loss primarily reflecting the exclusion of $11,000,000 of net investment gains, dollars 5,000,000 resulting from the sale of our remaining ownership interest in an entity associated with our Lloyd's syndicates and $3,500,000 of foreign currency exchange losses. In terms of underwriting results, our consolidated combined ratio rose almost 8 points compared to the Q4 of 2022, with results in the Workers' Compensation Insurance segment being the primary driver of that increase. While our consolidated expense ratio was higher than the Q4 of last year, this was largely driven by current quarter adjustment to our full year estimate of ULAE in our Specialty P and C segment, which unfavorably impacted our consolidated expense ratio by almost 2 points and had an equal and offsetting favorable impact to our consolidated loss ratio. The remaining increase in our consolidated expense ratio primarily reflected pressure of lower earned premium, which we expect to continue into 2024 as we maintain our drive for higher rates. Speaker 300:07:20Turning now to our operating segments. In Specialty P and C, premiums were $15,000,000 less than Q4 last year with about $8,000,000 of the reduction driven by our focus on getting adequate rates for the risks we're underwriting and walking away when we cannot do so, and the remaining difference being due to timing differences. Even as we are focused on rate adequacy, we are able to write new business and renew policies that meet our underwriting standards. New business was $18,000,000 essentially double last year's 4th quarter and renewal pricing was 6% higher with premium retention at 83%. Those results tell us that insurance find value in ProAssurance and are willing to pay for the insurance promises we make and the service we deliver. Speaker 300:08:08In our Workers' Compensation Insurance segment, gross written premiums decreased $800,000 That decline was primarily the result of lower renewal and audit premium in our alternative market business ceded to the segregated portfolio sale reinsurance segment. In our traditional book, new business writings and renewal premiums each increased approximately $1,000,000 compared to last year. Retention was 85%, 11 points higher than the Q4 last year. At the same time, renewal rates declined 3% as we continue to see intense competition and face rate pressure from prescribed state loss cost adjustments. In fact, some states have approved additional loss cost decreases for 2024, which flies in the face of the loss cost trends we're seeing. Speaker 300:09:00In response to the loss trends in our workers' compensation book, we increased our full year current accident year loss ratio to 81%. Underwriting expenses in our workers' compensation segment were essentially unchanged from last year's Q4. However, the underwriting expense ratio increased 4 points, primarily reflecting lower net premiums earned. Our investment results continue to be a highlight as net investment income increased by almost $5,000,000 to $34,000,000 due to higher average book yields as we continue to reinvest at higher rates as securities within our portfolio mature. New purchase yields in the quarter were 5.2 percent or 200 basis points higher than our average book yield. Speaker 300:09:44Our average investment balances are down approximately 1.7% since the end of last year as we've reduced the rate of reinvestment in order to provide more cash for operating needs. Book value per share at year end was $21.82 up 7% from the end of last year, driven by after tax unrealized holding gains of $88,000,000 on our fixed maturity portfolio. That said, there is still approximately $4 per share of embedded unrealized holding losses in book value per share, which will accrete back to book value as the portfolio matures as we have both the intent and ability to hold until maturity. And before I conclude, there are a couple of items I'd like to highlight. First, on November 15, we refinanced our $250,000,000 senior notes with a $125,000,000 draw on our revolver and a $125,000,000 term loan. Speaker 300:10:41Additionally, we entered into 2 interest rate swaps that were effective December 29, which results in a total interest rate on the revolver and term loan of 5.3% and 5.5%, respectively, going into 2024 as compared to the 5.3% interest on our retired senior notes. We're very pleased with the result of this refinance given the current lending environment. 2nd, in our call last quarter, we mentioned that we would be ending our participation at Lloyd's beginning with the 2024 underwriting year. That's done and we will begin to see that impact in our financial results in the Q2 of 2024 due to the quarter lag. As a reminder, the results from our participation in open underwriting years prior to 2024 will continue to earn out pro rata over the remaining policy period. Speaker 300:11:33And as I mentioned earlier, we completed the sale of our interest in an entity associated with our Lloyd's syndicates prior to year end. Frank? Speaker 400:11:41Thank you, Dana. Ned, I think Speaker 100:11:43you wanted to make one more comment before we open it for questions. Speaker 200:11:46Yes. Thanks, Frank. Before we open it for questions, I want to congratulate Doctor. Ross Taubman, who leads our unit, our small business unit. Ross is retiring and I want to thank him publicly for the work he's done for our company and for our insureds. Speaker 200:12:02His leadership in our podiatric business and in the realignment of our small business unit has been invaluable. Thank you, Ross. Speaker 100:12:09Thank you, Ned. And Alex, that concludes our prepared remarks. We are ready for questions if you'll open the lines. Operator00:12:17Thank Our first question for today comes from Matt Carlesi of JMP. Your line is now open. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:12:37Hey, thanks. Good morning. Speaker 200:12:39Good morning, Matt. Speaker 500:12:41Hey, Ned, I caught your comments on workers' comp basically stating that you guys feel you're ahead of the industry with kind of the view you're taking on severity specifically. Is there anything else that we should think about playing into that? Is there I know you have a more kind of healthcare focused book there than maybe the industry at large. Are you seeing anything that would lead you to believe that might be part of it? Or is that not and it's really is a 100% kind of shorter tail and maybe seeing it first? Speaker 200:13:13Yes. It's a great question, Matt. We do have a large healthcare book, but it's not the dominant piece of the work comp book. And when we look across the different business classes that we write, we really don't find any single business class where this is kind of more predominant. We really see it spread across the entire book of business. Speaker 200:13:37So yes, I think it is more a general view of the industry as opposed to anything specific to a business class. Speaker 500:13:47Okay, perfect. And then on Specialty P and C, as we think about some of the top line metrics, a couple of questions. One is just I noticed kind of hospitals and facilities had a nice return to growth. If you could just talk a little bit about kind of what you're seeing there. I know you've worked for a couple of years to kind of turn that book around and maybe seeing some good things. Speaker 500:14:08And then you mentioned the timing difference on a chunk of premiums. Can you just expand a little bit there? Just specifically, is it timing that it renewed in a prior quarter or that it will renew in a coming quarter? Speaker 200:14:21Yes. So on the timing difference, I'll answer that one because it's a little bit of both, but some business that the renewal just isn't taking place and we expect to take place in 2024. On the more specific question around the hospital business, I'm going to let Rob answer that question. Sure. Hi, this is Rob. Speaker 200:14:40So it's really a little bit Speaker 600:14:41of a mixed bag on the hospital and facility side. The hospital business we think is the prices are increasing some, but not really enough. We were fortunate that we are seeing enough submissions that we were fortunate enough to hit on couple of good ones, particularly in the Q4 that really met our underwriting criteria that we thought that the market wasn't recognizing appropriately. On the other hand, we have missed on a far greater number of opportunities in the hospital market simply because our pricing is higher than the even the renewal pricing, which is increasing a little bit from the incumbent carriers. Additionally, in some of our high level access business, we've come off quite a number of towers just because we believe that the high level excess pricing is not adequate either. Speaker 600:15:29So it's a little bit of a mixed bag. Speaker 500:15:33That's helpful. And then one last one if I could just on share repurchases and kind of your appetite currently. You've been active. We can see that in the numbers. But as we look forward 2024, if I'm doing my math right, the stock's at about 45% of ex AOCI book value. Speaker 500:15:49Your premiums to surplus are less than 1, kind of that as the backdrop. Can you just give us kind of your view on how aggressive we should expect you to be there? Speaker 200:16:02I'm sorry, can you repeat the question? Speaker 500:16:05Yes, just outlook for repurchase activity given trading less than half of book value ex AOCI and premiums of surplus below 1. Speaker 200:16:14Yes, sure. Thank you. Sorry. Yes, it's something that we'll continue to look at subject to kind of capitalization levels and liquidity levels. Speaker 500:16:24Okay. Thanks for the answers. Appreciate it. Operator00:16:30Thank you. Our next question comes from Bob Farnam of Janney. Your line is now open. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:16:39Hey there. Good morning. I've got a question for Ned and a question for Kevin. Just start off with the Ned one. So I'm looking at your kind of targeted ROE. Speaker 400:16:50You're looking at what 700 basis points above the 10 year treasury. Speaker 200:16:55I'm curious Speaker 400:16:57what based on your investment income profile, what type of combined ratio do you need to get down to be able to generate that type of return? Speaker 200:17:09Yes. I believe it's around $97,000,000 combined to get that. Speaker 400:17:16Okay. Okay. And Kevin, the so I'm curious about the impact of fee schedules. I think each state has different fee schedules. So I'm just curious if there are different states that have worse inflationary trends than others. Speaker 400:17:39Just trying to I know Matt was asking about different types of classes. I'm just thinking more state geographies. Are there any differences in terms of inflationary by state? Speaker 700:17:50There is, Bob. So in our 2019 core state, 16 of them have fee schedules, 3 of them are usual and customary. And I will say that fee schedules are complicated. There's exemptions for certain procedures. There's exemptions for traumatic injuries and increases are different by state. Speaker 700:18:12But for example, Pennsylvania in 2023 was up 6%. And I recently read a study that looked at the last 3 years versus the prior 3 years and fee schedules in general have almost doubled from 2019 to 2022 compared to that prior period. It is hard to get a specific figure to say this is what the fee schedules went up because of all the exemptions, but that is what we're seeing. Speaker 400:18:45How frequently are the fee schedules kind of updated or revised? Speaker 700:18:51Most of them are updated annually, but there are certain states where it's updated every couple of years. Speaker 400:19:01Okay. All right. And in terms of just looking at the background in the workers' comp space. I mean, you had a like a 116 or so combined ratio accident year combined ratio and you've got rates going down. So I'm just curious, like the new business that you're putting on, what level of profitability are you expecting from the new book the new business coming on? Speaker 700:19:27Interestingly, with everything that's going on in the other lines, there's not a lot of shopping of the comp. So the stuff that we are seeing is perfect for our service model and we are able to get rate. And our new business over the last 18 months has performed at a much better level than our renewal book, which I think has been very interesting. Speaker 400:19:55Okay. So you would expect that the kind of the 116 action year combined ratio to improve going forward based on the new business that seems to be priced better. Is that fair? Speaker 700:20:11If we continue to see a higher proportion of new business and it performs as it historically has, I think that that is a reasonable conclusion. Speaker 400:20:23Okay. All right, guys. Thanks. Speaker 200:20:27Thanks, Bob. Operator00:20:30Thank you. Our next question comes from Maxwell Fritsher of Truist Securities. Your line is now open. Please go ahead. Speaker 200:20:40Hi, good morning. I'm calling in for Mark Hughes today. I just have one question. I was wondering how much more are you going to push pricing in this physicians business? How much I'm sorry, just to make sure I heard the question, how much more are we going to push pricing in the physician business? Speaker 200:20:57Maxwell, is that the question? Speaker 400:21:00Yes. Yes. Speaker 200:21:01Okay. Yes. As we I think said in our comments earlier, we will continue to drive rate and we think there is a need to drive rate across all of the medical professional liability book of business. On the physician side, it's probably more state specific than the specialty healthcare book that we have. And so there are some states where we feel like we're getting adequate rate or modest increases are needed to keep up with severity trends. Speaker 200:21:27And there are other states where we think a lot more rate, up into the double digits is still required. That's helpful. Thank you. Operator00:21:41Thank you. Our next question comes from Adam Hirsch of Germana Capital. Your line is now open. Please go ahead. Speaker 800:21:56Hi, good morning. Can you address how your corporate OpEx is up 14% in the quarter, while premiums are down? And then also like what is your big plan to close the large gap to book value? Thanks. Speaker 200:22:10Yes. So on the OpEx expense, I'm going to let Dana kind of address what's going on there. There's a number of moving parts, I think, associated with that. Your second question, closing the gap on where we're trading relative to book value, is that what you want? Speaker 800:22:28What's the margin? Yes, sir. Speaker 200:22:33Okay. Thank you. Yes. So the return to positive operating ROE and getting back to our target levels of operating ROE or what are going to drive that. When you look at the insurance industry as a whole, it tends to trade on book value relative to return on equity. Speaker 200:22:52And so driving return on equity forward will propel that multiple forward over time. So that's really the driver within the insurance industry and that's our focus is that return to profitability, return to positive ROE, which will then impact where we trade relative to book value. Dana, do you have an answer on the operating expense question? Speaker 300:23:12Yes. Adam, in looking at the numbers, I think you quoted a much larger increase than what we're showing certainly in our press release. Quarter over quarter, we're about $1,000,000 up on corporate operating expenses. And that's really largely due to some compensation related costs just with filling some open headcount largely. So is there a further question? Speaker 400:23:42So you do no, I mean, Speaker 800:23:44I didn't see that it's up 14% year over year. Speaker 300:23:47Okay. I thought I heard you say Speaker 800:23:48that you would need to expand. No, ma'am. I was just curious if there's a reason why you have to expand headcount with how business going right now? Speaker 300:23:59No, no, no, no. We're not expanding headcount. Some of the metrics that you see in there are just about filling open headcount that was open. We've certainly in recent years and as late as year end 2022 had more open positions coming out of COVID than we've had this year. Speaker 400:24:22Okay, great. Thank you. Operator00:24:27Thank you. At this time, we currently have no further questions. So I'll hand back to Frank O'Neill for any further remarks. Speaker 100:24:35Thank you, Alex. And that concludes our call for today. ProAssurance management team will be back with you when we report first quarter results. Thank you. Speaker 400:24:48Thank you Operator00:24:48for joining today's call. You may now disconnect your lines.Read morePowered by Key Takeaways Q4 operating loss: ProAssurance reported a per‐share operating loss of $0.05, with net income of $6 million driven by $11 million of net investment gains offsetting elevated workers’ compensation losses. Workers’ compensation headwinds: The full‐year accident‐year loss ratio was raised to 81% as wage and medical inflation drive up claim severity, although ProAssurance closes cases 40% faster than the industry through early intervention. Underwriting discipline: Gross written premiums declined as the company walked away from underpriced risks, yet Specialty P&C new business doubled to $18 million, renewal pricing rose 6% with 83% retention, and workers’ comp retention reached 85%. Investment and capital actions: Net investment income climbed to $34 million on reinvestment yields of 5.2%, book value per share rose 7% to $21.82 (with $4 of unrealized losses to accrete), and ProAssurance refinanced $250 million of debt at blended rates of ~5.4% while exiting its Lloyd’s participation. AI Generated. 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The company operates through Specialty Property and Casualty, Workers' Compensation Insurance, and Segregated Portfolio Cell Reinsurance segments. It offers professional liability insurance to healthcare providers and institutions, and attorneys and their firms; medical technology liability insurance to medical technology and life sciences companies; and custom alternative risk solutions, including assumed reinsurance, loss portfolio transfers, and captive cell programs for healthcare professional liability insureds. The company also provides workers' compensation insurance products, such as guaranteed cost policies, policyholder dividend policies, retrospectively rated policies, and deductible policies, as well as alternative market solutions that include program design, fronting, claims administration, risk management, SPC rental, asset management, and SPC management services for individual companies, agencies, groups, and associations. 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There are 9 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good morning, everyone. Welcome to ProAssurance's Conference Call to discuss the company's 4th Quarter 2023 Results. I'd like to remind you that the call is being recorded, Now I'll turn the call over to Frank O'Neill. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:19Good morning, everyone. We reported on 4th quarter results in the news release issued February 27, 2024, and in our report on Form 10 ks, which was also filed yesterday on February 27, 2024. Included in those documents were cautionary statements about significant risks, uncertainties and other factors that are out of the company's control and could affect ProAssurance's business and alter expected results. Please review those statements. This morning, our management team will be discussing selected aspects of the quarterly results on this call, and investors should review the filing on Form 10 ks and accompanying press releases for full and complete information. Speaker 100:01:02We expect to make statements on this call dealing with projections, estimates and expectations, and we explicitly identify these as forward looking statements within the meaning of the U. S. Federal securities law and subject to applicable safe harbor protections. The content of this call is accurate only on February 28, 2024. Except as required by law or regulation, ProAssurance will not undertake and expressly disclaims any obligation to update or alter information disclosed as part of these forward looking statements. Speaker 100:01:39Our management team also expects to reference non GAAP during today's call. The company's recent news release provides a reconciliation of these non GAAP numbers to their GAAP counterparts. On the call with me today will be Ned Rand, President and CEO Dana Hendricks, the Chief Financial Officer Also joining today are executive leadership team members Rob Francis, Kevin Shook and Karen Murphy. Speaker 200:02:05Now I'm going Speaker 100:02:05to turn the call over to Ned. Speaker 200:02:08Thank you, Frank, and good morning, everyone. I want to address the headline number upfront. Our per share operating loss was $0.05 in the quarter, primarily reflecting the continuation of significant increases in losses in our workers' compensation book of business. The results are disappointing, but are a direct result of our commitment to protecting our balance sheet and our insureds. ProAssurance remains committed to a long term strategy that we believe will ultimately create sustained profitability. Speaker 200:02:40At the same time, we have to recognize the headwinds presented by the current difficult market conditions and a very challenging litigation climate. Our experience has shown us that responding with pricing actions and a focus on underwriting discipline, while adapting to the evolution of our target markets, will propel us on a positive trajectory. While we remain confident that the strategies we have implemented will return ProAssurance to acceptable levels of profitability, we have to acknowledge that it is taking longer than we anticipated. The reality on the ground today is a loss environment that continues to worsen and has prevented us from making as much progress as we would like. Our financial performance, unfortunately, masks the tremendous progress we have made within our organization to streamline operations, refocus our business and make the organization more cohesive and effective. Speaker 200:03:36We remain confident this progress will make a difference over time. The competitive environment in both our Specialty P and C and Workers' Compensation Insurance segments continues to present a challenge. However, in both lines of business, we saw gains in new business that we believe to be well priced, while renewal retention remains strong. Our operating decisions in light of competitive pressures resulted in an overall drop in gross premiums. A substantial amount of lost business was the result of our disciplined underwriting, our pursuit of rate adequacy and our decisions to walk away from business that could not be written profitably. Speaker 200:04:14The new business we do write and the policies we renew are at rates we believe will ultimately perform better than the business we are non renewing. When we add or retain business at these rates, it confirms our ability to present the market with an option to select high quality coverage and superior service, both attributes which have been the bedrock of our profitability in the past and we believe will be so in the future. Now I want to make some general comments regarding our operating segments. 1st, Specialty P and C, where social and medical inflation continue to drive judgments and settlements higher, and we're reflecting that in our underwriting, pricing and reserving. Given the substantial deterioration in the litigation climate in recent years, our drive for additional rate will continue for the foreseeable future. Speaker 200:05:02In workers' compensation, we continue to be cautious about claims cost as the trends noted last quarter are unabated. Despite the fact that we are seeing continued reductions in claim frequency, the average medical cost per claim continues to rise as we see the dual effects of wage inflation for healthcare workers and increasing cost tied to the introduction of new medical treatments and technologies. We believe we are ahead of the industry in recognizing these trends because of the short tailed nature of our book. As a reminder, we close cases approximately 40% faster than the industry, leaving us with fewer open claims at any one time compared to other companies in this line of business. And in our industry, the longer a claim is open, the more costly it becomes, which is why we focus on getting injured workers back to productivity as quickly as possible through early intervention and in-depth case management. Speaker 200:05:53Frank? Speaker 100:05:53Thank you, Ned. We'll next go to Dana, who will review some specific segment results and provide highlights from the balance sheet and investment returns. Dana? Speaker 300:06:04Thanks, Frank. Our operating loss in the quarter was $2,500,000 or $0.05 per diluted share with the difference between net income of $6,000,000 and the operating loss primarily reflecting the exclusion of $11,000,000 of net investment gains, dollars 5,000,000 resulting from the sale of our remaining ownership interest in an entity associated with our Lloyd's syndicates and $3,500,000 of foreign currency exchange losses. In terms of underwriting results, our consolidated combined ratio rose almost 8 points compared to the Q4 of 2022, with results in the Workers' Compensation Insurance segment being the primary driver of that increase. While our consolidated expense ratio was higher than the Q4 of last year, this was largely driven by current quarter adjustment to our full year estimate of ULAE in our Specialty P and C segment, which unfavorably impacted our consolidated expense ratio by almost 2 points and had an equal and offsetting favorable impact to our consolidated loss ratio. The remaining increase in our consolidated expense ratio primarily reflected pressure of lower earned premium, which we expect to continue into 2024 as we maintain our drive for higher rates. Speaker 300:07:20Turning now to our operating segments. In Specialty P and C, premiums were $15,000,000 less than Q4 last year with about $8,000,000 of the reduction driven by our focus on getting adequate rates for the risks we're underwriting and walking away when we cannot do so, and the remaining difference being due to timing differences. Even as we are focused on rate adequacy, we are able to write new business and renew policies that meet our underwriting standards. New business was $18,000,000 essentially double last year's 4th quarter and renewal pricing was 6% higher with premium retention at 83%. Those results tell us that insurance find value in ProAssurance and are willing to pay for the insurance promises we make and the service we deliver. Speaker 300:08:08In our Workers' Compensation Insurance segment, gross written premiums decreased $800,000 That decline was primarily the result of lower renewal and audit premium in our alternative market business ceded to the segregated portfolio sale reinsurance segment. In our traditional book, new business writings and renewal premiums each increased approximately $1,000,000 compared to last year. Retention was 85%, 11 points higher than the Q4 last year. At the same time, renewal rates declined 3% as we continue to see intense competition and face rate pressure from prescribed state loss cost adjustments. In fact, some states have approved additional loss cost decreases for 2024, which flies in the face of the loss cost trends we're seeing. Speaker 300:09:00In response to the loss trends in our workers' compensation book, we increased our full year current accident year loss ratio to 81%. Underwriting expenses in our workers' compensation segment were essentially unchanged from last year's Q4. However, the underwriting expense ratio increased 4 points, primarily reflecting lower net premiums earned. Our investment results continue to be a highlight as net investment income increased by almost $5,000,000 to $34,000,000 due to higher average book yields as we continue to reinvest at higher rates as securities within our portfolio mature. New purchase yields in the quarter were 5.2 percent or 200 basis points higher than our average book yield. Speaker 300:09:44Our average investment balances are down approximately 1.7% since the end of last year as we've reduced the rate of reinvestment in order to provide more cash for operating needs. Book value per share at year end was $21.82 up 7% from the end of last year, driven by after tax unrealized holding gains of $88,000,000 on our fixed maturity portfolio. That said, there is still approximately $4 per share of embedded unrealized holding losses in book value per share, which will accrete back to book value as the portfolio matures as we have both the intent and ability to hold until maturity. And before I conclude, there are a couple of items I'd like to highlight. First, on November 15, we refinanced our $250,000,000 senior notes with a $125,000,000 draw on our revolver and a $125,000,000 term loan. Speaker 300:10:41Additionally, we entered into 2 interest rate swaps that were effective December 29, which results in a total interest rate on the revolver and term loan of 5.3% and 5.5%, respectively, going into 2024 as compared to the 5.3% interest on our retired senior notes. We're very pleased with the result of this refinance given the current lending environment. 2nd, in our call last quarter, we mentioned that we would be ending our participation at Lloyd's beginning with the 2024 underwriting year. That's done and we will begin to see that impact in our financial results in the Q2 of 2024 due to the quarter lag. As a reminder, the results from our participation in open underwriting years prior to 2024 will continue to earn out pro rata over the remaining policy period. Speaker 300:11:33And as I mentioned earlier, we completed the sale of our interest in an entity associated with our Lloyd's syndicates prior to year end. Frank? Speaker 400:11:41Thank you, Dana. Ned, I think Speaker 100:11:43you wanted to make one more comment before we open it for questions. Speaker 200:11:46Yes. Thanks, Frank. Before we open it for questions, I want to congratulate Doctor. Ross Taubman, who leads our unit, our small business unit. Ross is retiring and I want to thank him publicly for the work he's done for our company and for our insureds. Speaker 200:12:02His leadership in our podiatric business and in the realignment of our small business unit has been invaluable. Thank you, Ross. Speaker 100:12:09Thank you, Ned. And Alex, that concludes our prepared remarks. We are ready for questions if you'll open the lines. Operator00:12:17Thank Our first question for today comes from Matt Carlesi of JMP. Your line is now open. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:12:37Hey, thanks. Good morning. Speaker 200:12:39Good morning, Matt. Speaker 500:12:41Hey, Ned, I caught your comments on workers' comp basically stating that you guys feel you're ahead of the industry with kind of the view you're taking on severity specifically. Is there anything else that we should think about playing into that? Is there I know you have a more kind of healthcare focused book there than maybe the industry at large. Are you seeing anything that would lead you to believe that might be part of it? Or is that not and it's really is a 100% kind of shorter tail and maybe seeing it first? Speaker 200:13:13Yes. It's a great question, Matt. We do have a large healthcare book, but it's not the dominant piece of the work comp book. And when we look across the different business classes that we write, we really don't find any single business class where this is kind of more predominant. We really see it spread across the entire book of business. Speaker 200:13:37So yes, I think it is more a general view of the industry as opposed to anything specific to a business class. Speaker 500:13:47Okay, perfect. And then on Specialty P and C, as we think about some of the top line metrics, a couple of questions. One is just I noticed kind of hospitals and facilities had a nice return to growth. If you could just talk a little bit about kind of what you're seeing there. I know you've worked for a couple of years to kind of turn that book around and maybe seeing some good things. Speaker 500:14:08And then you mentioned the timing difference on a chunk of premiums. Can you just expand a little bit there? Just specifically, is it timing that it renewed in a prior quarter or that it will renew in a coming quarter? Speaker 200:14:21Yes. So on the timing difference, I'll answer that one because it's a little bit of both, but some business that the renewal just isn't taking place and we expect to take place in 2024. On the more specific question around the hospital business, I'm going to let Rob answer that question. Sure. Hi, this is Rob. Speaker 200:14:40So it's really a little bit Speaker 600:14:41of a mixed bag on the hospital and facility side. The hospital business we think is the prices are increasing some, but not really enough. We were fortunate that we are seeing enough submissions that we were fortunate enough to hit on couple of good ones, particularly in the Q4 that really met our underwriting criteria that we thought that the market wasn't recognizing appropriately. On the other hand, we have missed on a far greater number of opportunities in the hospital market simply because our pricing is higher than the even the renewal pricing, which is increasing a little bit from the incumbent carriers. Additionally, in some of our high level access business, we've come off quite a number of towers just because we believe that the high level excess pricing is not adequate either. Speaker 600:15:29So it's a little bit of a mixed bag. Speaker 500:15:33That's helpful. And then one last one if I could just on share repurchases and kind of your appetite currently. You've been active. We can see that in the numbers. But as we look forward 2024, if I'm doing my math right, the stock's at about 45% of ex AOCI book value. Speaker 500:15:49Your premiums to surplus are less than 1, kind of that as the backdrop. Can you just give us kind of your view on how aggressive we should expect you to be there? Speaker 200:16:02I'm sorry, can you repeat the question? Speaker 500:16:05Yes, just outlook for repurchase activity given trading less than half of book value ex AOCI and premiums of surplus below 1. Speaker 200:16:14Yes, sure. Thank you. Sorry. Yes, it's something that we'll continue to look at subject to kind of capitalization levels and liquidity levels. Speaker 500:16:24Okay. Thanks for the answers. Appreciate it. Operator00:16:30Thank you. Our next question comes from Bob Farnam of Janney. Your line is now open. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:16:39Hey there. Good morning. I've got a question for Ned and a question for Kevin. Just start off with the Ned one. So I'm looking at your kind of targeted ROE. Speaker 400:16:50You're looking at what 700 basis points above the 10 year treasury. Speaker 200:16:55I'm curious Speaker 400:16:57what based on your investment income profile, what type of combined ratio do you need to get down to be able to generate that type of return? Speaker 200:17:09Yes. I believe it's around $97,000,000 combined to get that. Speaker 400:17:16Okay. Okay. And Kevin, the so I'm curious about the impact of fee schedules. I think each state has different fee schedules. So I'm just curious if there are different states that have worse inflationary trends than others. Speaker 400:17:39Just trying to I know Matt was asking about different types of classes. I'm just thinking more state geographies. Are there any differences in terms of inflationary by state? Speaker 700:17:50There is, Bob. So in our 2019 core state, 16 of them have fee schedules, 3 of them are usual and customary. And I will say that fee schedules are complicated. There's exemptions for certain procedures. There's exemptions for traumatic injuries and increases are different by state. Speaker 700:18:12But for example, Pennsylvania in 2023 was up 6%. And I recently read a study that looked at the last 3 years versus the prior 3 years and fee schedules in general have almost doubled from 2019 to 2022 compared to that prior period. It is hard to get a specific figure to say this is what the fee schedules went up because of all the exemptions, but that is what we're seeing. Speaker 400:18:45How frequently are the fee schedules kind of updated or revised? Speaker 700:18:51Most of them are updated annually, but there are certain states where it's updated every couple of years. Speaker 400:19:01Okay. All right. And in terms of just looking at the background in the workers' comp space. I mean, you had a like a 116 or so combined ratio accident year combined ratio and you've got rates going down. So I'm just curious, like the new business that you're putting on, what level of profitability are you expecting from the new book the new business coming on? Speaker 700:19:27Interestingly, with everything that's going on in the other lines, there's not a lot of shopping of the comp. So the stuff that we are seeing is perfect for our service model and we are able to get rate. And our new business over the last 18 months has performed at a much better level than our renewal book, which I think has been very interesting. Speaker 400:19:55Okay. So you would expect that the kind of the 116 action year combined ratio to improve going forward based on the new business that seems to be priced better. Is that fair? Speaker 700:20:11If we continue to see a higher proportion of new business and it performs as it historically has, I think that that is a reasonable conclusion. Speaker 400:20:23Okay. All right, guys. Thanks. Speaker 200:20:27Thanks, Bob. Operator00:20:30Thank you. Our next question comes from Maxwell Fritsher of Truist Securities. Your line is now open. Please go ahead. Speaker 200:20:40Hi, good morning. I'm calling in for Mark Hughes today. I just have one question. I was wondering how much more are you going to push pricing in this physicians business? How much I'm sorry, just to make sure I heard the question, how much more are we going to push pricing in the physician business? Speaker 200:20:57Maxwell, is that the question? Speaker 400:21:00Yes. Yes. Speaker 200:21:01Okay. Yes. As we I think said in our comments earlier, we will continue to drive rate and we think there is a need to drive rate across all of the medical professional liability book of business. On the physician side, it's probably more state specific than the specialty healthcare book that we have. And so there are some states where we feel like we're getting adequate rate or modest increases are needed to keep up with severity trends. Speaker 200:21:27And there are other states where we think a lot more rate, up into the double digits is still required. That's helpful. Thank you. Operator00:21:41Thank you. Our next question comes from Adam Hirsch of Germana Capital. Your line is now open. Please go ahead. Speaker 800:21:56Hi, good morning. Can you address how your corporate OpEx is up 14% in the quarter, while premiums are down? And then also like what is your big plan to close the large gap to book value? Thanks. Speaker 200:22:10Yes. So on the OpEx expense, I'm going to let Dana kind of address what's going on there. There's a number of moving parts, I think, associated with that. Your second question, closing the gap on where we're trading relative to book value, is that what you want? Speaker 800:22:28What's the margin? Yes, sir. Speaker 200:22:33Okay. Thank you. Yes. So the return to positive operating ROE and getting back to our target levels of operating ROE or what are going to drive that. When you look at the insurance industry as a whole, it tends to trade on book value relative to return on equity. Speaker 200:22:52And so driving return on equity forward will propel that multiple forward over time. So that's really the driver within the insurance industry and that's our focus is that return to profitability, return to positive ROE, which will then impact where we trade relative to book value. Dana, do you have an answer on the operating expense question? Speaker 300:23:12Yes. Adam, in looking at the numbers, I think you quoted a much larger increase than what we're showing certainly in our press release. Quarter over quarter, we're about $1,000,000 up on corporate operating expenses. And that's really largely due to some compensation related costs just with filling some open headcount largely. So is there a further question? Speaker 400:23:42So you do no, I mean, Speaker 800:23:44I didn't see that it's up 14% year over year. Speaker 300:23:47Okay. I thought I heard you say Speaker 800:23:48that you would need to expand. No, ma'am. I was just curious if there's a reason why you have to expand headcount with how business going right now? Speaker 300:23:59No, no, no, no. We're not expanding headcount. Some of the metrics that you see in there are just about filling open headcount that was open. We've certainly in recent years and as late as year end 2022 had more open positions coming out of COVID than we've had this year. Speaker 400:24:22Okay, great. Thank you. Operator00:24:27Thank you. At this time, we currently have no further questions. So I'll hand back to Frank O'Neill for any further remarks. Speaker 100:24:35Thank you, Alex. And that concludes our call for today. ProAssurance management team will be back with you when we report first quarter results. Thank you. Speaker 400:24:48Thank you Operator00:24:48for joining today's call. You may now disconnect your lines.Read morePowered by