TSE:SCR Strathcona Resources Q4 2023 Earnings Report C$25.59 +0.83 (+3.35%) As of 05/6/2025 03:59 PM Eastern Earnings HistoryForecast Strathcona Resources EPS ResultsActual EPSC$1.23Consensus EPS C$1.32Beat/MissMissed by -C$0.09One Year Ago EPSN/AStrathcona Resources Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$1.29 billionExpected Revenue$869.00 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$418.60 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/AStrathcona Resources Announcement DetailsQuarterQ4 2023Date3/26/2024TimeN/AConference Call DateWednesday, March 27, 2024Conference Call Time11:00AM ETConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress ReleaseEarnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Strathcona Resources Q4 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMarch 27, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 6 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good morning. My name is Joanna, and I will be your conference operator today. I would like to welcome everyone to the Q4 2023 Conference Call of Strathcona Resources Limited. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session. Operator00:00:23I now introduce Rob Morgan, President and CEO of Strathcona to begin the conference. Speaker 100:00:35Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. Welcome to the Q4 2023 conference call of Strathcona Resources. I am Rob Morgan, President and CEO of Strathcona, and with me today is Conor Watchers, Senior Vice President and CFO and Angie Lau, our Treasurer. Yesterday, Strathcona released its Q4 and annual 2023 results, a summary of which was included in yesterday's press release with full details available on Strathcona's website as well as on SEDAR Plus. As a reminder, on March 11, we released details of our year end reserves and provided shareholders with a look at how Strathcona has grown and created value in the private market over the last 7 years. Speaker 100:01:11I would encourage prospective shareholders to visit our website and review our 2023 reserves overview. Production for the Q4 was on plan at 186,000 BOE per day, highlighted by record performance at our Cold Lake Thermal segment at 60,000 BOE per day. Cash flow from operations was $470,800,000 or $2.20 per share with free cash flow of $150,800,000 or $0.70 per share. We finished the year with a simplified capital structure as we were able to pay off our term loan ahead of the February 2024 maturity and we are also pleased to announce an increase in our covenant based syndicated credit facility from $2,300,000,000 to $2,500,000,000 with a revised maturity of March 2028. As we approach the end of the Q1, we are very encouraged by the signs of lines fill occurring on the Trans Mountain expansion pipeline. Speaker 100:02:02As a reminder, Strathcona's oil weighted production base is highly leveraged to WCS prices with a U. S. $1 move in the WCS differential or top line WTI equating to $40,000,000 of annual cash flow. South Dakota's 2024 development plan included production from 3 dry grass wells at our Ground Birch property in Northeast BC. We spudded the wells in the Q1 and expected to complete them this spring, but given weak natural gas prices, we are choosing to defer bringing the wells on until the winter months when we expect much improved pricing. Speaker 100:02:34This will impact Strathcona's year average production by approximately 15,000,000 cubic feet per day and we have adjusted our guidance accordingly. I would like to thank the entire team at Strathcona for their tireless work over the course of 2023 as we emerge from the private world into the public markets and we are very excited about what the future holds. I would also like to thank our new public shareholders for the confidence you have placed in us. We are conscious that building a public track record takes time, but we're looking forward to sharing the accomplishments as well as the setbacks that we might have on this journey with you. Thank you for joining us this morning and we will be pleased to take any questions you might have. Operator00:03:11Thank you. First question comes from Greg Pardy at RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Speaker 200:03:22Hey, thanks. Good morning and apologies for the dogs in the background. You can probably tell where I'm working today. A couple of questions maybe, just on the financial side, in hitting the $2,500,000,000 net debt target, does that look like you're on track there to hit that in the Q1? What does the timing look like? Speaker 200:03:46And then maybe just in terms of shareholder returns that might come after that, understanding it might be a dividend, might be variable dividends or what have you, is there actually any appetite for buybacks just given the limited flow? Speaker 300:04:02Sure. So, Greg, on the timing of hitting our 2 $500,000,000 of debt target, so we finished Q4 2023 with about $2,700,000,000 of debt. We're only about $165,000,000 shy of that $2,500,000,000 dollars So we think we're going to hit that in the mid-twenty 24 timeframe. It's important to bear in mind that we ended 2023 with a slightly bigger working capital deficit than we think we'll probably have on a more go forward basis. So the 1st couple of quarters of the year might see a bit of a pay down of that working capital deficit, but certainly something that we think we are very much on a track for soon. Speaker 300:04:55In terms of what the framework will look like in terms of paying back capital to the owners of the business, post hitting that $2,500,000,000 of debt. I think our plan is certainly still the same of a combination plus a base plus a variable dividend. The base dividend is going to be sized, so that it is always fully funded at a trough point in the price cycle. And then it will be a bunch of variable dividends beyond that. The important thing I think for our shareholders to know is that fundamentally we don't see a need of paying down debt past that $2,500,000,000 level. Speaker 300:05:40So if we aren't going to pay down debt, well that means that the vast share of the cash will be going back out to the owners of the business. Speaker 200:05:55Okay. Got it. And I guess just apologies for a follow-up. But completely shifting gears, so you talked about the unit train facility expansion. I'm just wondering, can you give us an idea as to what does that mean in terms of how many barrels you've now planned to ship? Speaker 200:06:13And then the other part related to that is just in terms of the premium you're getting to WCS in the Gulf Coast. Just any color there would be great. Thanks. Speaker 300:06:23Sure. So in terms of the total volumes that are going to be shipped by our rail business down to the Gulf Coast, it's still going to be plus or minus 30,000 total barrels a day for the calendar 2024 year, which is pretty much the same volume we had over the 2023 year. The difference for 2024 versus 2023 is that close to 40% of the volumes we sold in the Gulf Coast were sold into the so called spot market down there. And that price that we get for our spot barrels on the Gulf Coast isn't as good as the price that we set as part of a medium to long term crude purchase agreement. What this new plant that we have set up down in the Gulf Coast means for us is that effectively 100% of all crude by rail that we sell in the Gulf Coast as of March of this year is all going to be sold on a termed up basis. Speaker 300:07:35So there's not going to be any barrels sold in the Gulf Coast spot market. What in turn that means is there was probably a third to 40% of our barrels over the course of 2023 getting a, let's call it, dollars 5 to $10 at discount to the base WCS Houston price. And now all of those barrels are going to be sold at a premium to the benchmark price. So I'd say, call it $5 to $10 per barrel swing on about onethree of that 30,000 per barrels that we sell down on the Gulf Coast. Speaker 200:08:27Got it. Thanks very much. Operator00:08:31Thank you. Next question comes from Menno Halschoff at TD Cowen. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:08:38Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Thanks for taking my question. Maybe I'll just follow-up with a question on Greg's line of questioning. Should we just assume that it's going to be a flat 30,000 barrels per day of unblended crude by rail to the Gulf Coast from here on in then? Speaker 400:08:54Or does that is there any reason to expect that to fluctuate with what heavy differentials do or is there no tie whatsoever? Speaker 100:09:04No, there's no real tie to the heavy differentials. It should be relatively flat across the year. Yes. And Speaker 300:09:12the key on that, Meadow, is we think the net realized price post transportation that we get on our crude by rail barrels certainly post this new premium is going to be at or better than the pipe netback that we get down to a call it $10 a local differential on the WCS benchmark. Speaker 400:09:44Okay. Thanks, Conor. That makes sense. And then maybe I'll just flip over to M and A since it's been such a big part of the growth story. What are you seeing in the market today in terms of the opportunity set? Speaker 400:09:56And how are those opportunities competing for capital with organic development? Speaker 100:10:03Yes. So thanks for the question. As we've talked about, done 10 transactions over the last 7 years, the first nine transactions with cash, obviously, our last one was equity based. Where you're seeing us talk about our cash flow and how the use of proceeds of our business is that we're focusing on that $2,500,000,000 debt target and then announcing following achieving that target a shareholder return policy, whereas Connor highlighted, we would expect to return a majority of our free cash flow to shareholders. So using cash at this point for M and A activity is not something that we're focused on. Speaker 100:10:49We did obviously now have a public listing and part of our rationale of getting a public listing was to potentially use our equity for M and A transactions. But I think as we've highlighted, building a space in the public markets is going to take a bit of time. And the current valuation of our shares is we just don't feel that it makes sense using that equity for M and A transaction. So our focus is from a returns perspective, we think reinvesting in the business, growing organically, which we have done over the last 7 years is the best use of our cash at this point in time. And we'll obviously keep an eye on the market and see what opportunities may occur, but I think in the near term, you'll see us focus on that organic growth. Speaker 400:11:36Thanks, Rob. I'll turn it back. Operator00:11:42Thank you. Question comes from Dennis Fong at CIBC World Markets. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:11:52Hi, good morning and thanks for taking my questions. My first one might follow on a little bit from Menno's second question there. I was hoping you could elaborate a little bit more about the strength in production from Cold Lake. Obviously, you're seeing a good ramp from Tucker H pad. Can you talk a little bit about where the production from that pad could go? Speaker 500:12:11And secondarily, maybe touch on Lindbergh a little bit as well. I want to understand what the production trajectory happens to be for this asset this year and where it could maybe get to over the next 12 to 18 months? Speaker 100:12:25Sure. Thanks, Dennis. As we look at Tucker, obviously, the 8 well pairs that we drilled had were some of the first well pairs at Tucker since 2017. And it was really a combination of the initial production from those well pairs, which I think we've generally ramped up to fairly full capacity. And but also the reactivations of the some of the legacy well pairs that had been shut in for quite some time given how the heat now has been distributed in the reservoir has really supported that production base at Tucker. Speaker 100:13:01We are in the process of drilling another new pad at Tucker, but we don't expect that production growth to come on until later 'twenty five into that sort of 2026 timeframe given the profile of the ramp up of those pads. As we look at Lindbergh, yes, we've had some very good response to some of the very basic debottlenecking work that we've done at that asset. And I think with the plan that we have in place of installing some incremental steam generation capacity, again, a lot of that activity comes on is sort of later 2025 into 2026. So we'll see a bit of ramp through the part of latter part of 2024 and then a lot more of that growth into 2025 and 2026 on those thermal assets. But we think we're on track towards ultimately filling that capacity as we've highlighted over the next couple of years. Speaker 500:13:58Great. Appreciate that color. Switching up a little bit towards hedging, saw some kind of reorganization of the contracts that you had there. Can you discuss how you think about this, we'll call it refresh commodity risk program and potentially what that means for, we'll call it cash flow stability and free cash flow sustainability or generation or the ability to cover CapEx and generate free cash over the next few years? Speaker 300:14:24Thanks. Sure. Thanks, Dennis. So when we look at what the cash book looks like now as the end of March, we effectively just have a little bit of a legacy TI swaps in place over the 1st part of Q2. And then have some gas collars in place through May. Speaker 300:14:48When you look at how we've built the business the last 7 years, in general, we've had quite a strong hedge profile on the business. And in part, what has driven that is we've built the business in close partnership with our bank group and part of getting that capital from our banks is an ongoing mandate to put hedges in place. When we think about what the balance sheet looks like now and as Rob says, a view that we're probably not going to be doing any kind of big cash transactions in the near term. What that in turn means is that the focus on trying to put swaps in swaps and other sorts of contracts in place is just a lot less than it used to be. So I think you'll still see us some hedging with the business going forward, but it will be much more with our callers where the floor of that caller is picked to make sure that even in a real trough point in the oil and gas price cycle that the balance sheet is still in a very strong shape and not as a way to lock in revenue, so to speak. Speaker 500:16:17Great. Thanks. Appreciate that color. I'll turn it back. Operator00:16:23Thank you. That is all for questions. 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There are 6 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good morning. My name is Joanna, and I will be your conference operator today. I would like to welcome everyone to the Q4 2023 Conference Call of Strathcona Resources Limited. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session. Operator00:00:23I now introduce Rob Morgan, President and CEO of Strathcona to begin the conference. Speaker 100:00:35Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. Welcome to the Q4 2023 conference call of Strathcona Resources. I am Rob Morgan, President and CEO of Strathcona, and with me today is Conor Watchers, Senior Vice President and CFO and Angie Lau, our Treasurer. Yesterday, Strathcona released its Q4 and annual 2023 results, a summary of which was included in yesterday's press release with full details available on Strathcona's website as well as on SEDAR Plus. As a reminder, on March 11, we released details of our year end reserves and provided shareholders with a look at how Strathcona has grown and created value in the private market over the last 7 years. Speaker 100:01:11I would encourage prospective shareholders to visit our website and review our 2023 reserves overview. Production for the Q4 was on plan at 186,000 BOE per day, highlighted by record performance at our Cold Lake Thermal segment at 60,000 BOE per day. Cash flow from operations was $470,800,000 or $2.20 per share with free cash flow of $150,800,000 or $0.70 per share. We finished the year with a simplified capital structure as we were able to pay off our term loan ahead of the February 2024 maturity and we are also pleased to announce an increase in our covenant based syndicated credit facility from $2,300,000,000 to $2,500,000,000 with a revised maturity of March 2028. As we approach the end of the Q1, we are very encouraged by the signs of lines fill occurring on the Trans Mountain expansion pipeline. Speaker 100:02:02As a reminder, Strathcona's oil weighted production base is highly leveraged to WCS prices with a U. S. $1 move in the WCS differential or top line WTI equating to $40,000,000 of annual cash flow. South Dakota's 2024 development plan included production from 3 dry grass wells at our Ground Birch property in Northeast BC. We spudded the wells in the Q1 and expected to complete them this spring, but given weak natural gas prices, we are choosing to defer bringing the wells on until the winter months when we expect much improved pricing. Speaker 100:02:34This will impact Strathcona's year average production by approximately 15,000,000 cubic feet per day and we have adjusted our guidance accordingly. I would like to thank the entire team at Strathcona for their tireless work over the course of 2023 as we emerge from the private world into the public markets and we are very excited about what the future holds. I would also like to thank our new public shareholders for the confidence you have placed in us. We are conscious that building a public track record takes time, but we're looking forward to sharing the accomplishments as well as the setbacks that we might have on this journey with you. Thank you for joining us this morning and we will be pleased to take any questions you might have. Operator00:03:11Thank you. First question comes from Greg Pardy at RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Speaker 200:03:22Hey, thanks. Good morning and apologies for the dogs in the background. You can probably tell where I'm working today. A couple of questions maybe, just on the financial side, in hitting the $2,500,000,000 net debt target, does that look like you're on track there to hit that in the Q1? What does the timing look like? Speaker 200:03:46And then maybe just in terms of shareholder returns that might come after that, understanding it might be a dividend, might be variable dividends or what have you, is there actually any appetite for buybacks just given the limited flow? Speaker 300:04:02Sure. So, Greg, on the timing of hitting our 2 $500,000,000 of debt target, so we finished Q4 2023 with about $2,700,000,000 of debt. We're only about $165,000,000 shy of that $2,500,000,000 dollars So we think we're going to hit that in the mid-twenty 24 timeframe. It's important to bear in mind that we ended 2023 with a slightly bigger working capital deficit than we think we'll probably have on a more go forward basis. So the 1st couple of quarters of the year might see a bit of a pay down of that working capital deficit, but certainly something that we think we are very much on a track for soon. Speaker 300:04:55In terms of what the framework will look like in terms of paying back capital to the owners of the business, post hitting that $2,500,000,000 of debt. I think our plan is certainly still the same of a combination plus a base plus a variable dividend. The base dividend is going to be sized, so that it is always fully funded at a trough point in the price cycle. And then it will be a bunch of variable dividends beyond that. The important thing I think for our shareholders to know is that fundamentally we don't see a need of paying down debt past that $2,500,000,000 level. Speaker 300:05:40So if we aren't going to pay down debt, well that means that the vast share of the cash will be going back out to the owners of the business. Speaker 200:05:55Okay. Got it. And I guess just apologies for a follow-up. But completely shifting gears, so you talked about the unit train facility expansion. I'm just wondering, can you give us an idea as to what does that mean in terms of how many barrels you've now planned to ship? Speaker 200:06:13And then the other part related to that is just in terms of the premium you're getting to WCS in the Gulf Coast. Just any color there would be great. Thanks. Speaker 300:06:23Sure. So in terms of the total volumes that are going to be shipped by our rail business down to the Gulf Coast, it's still going to be plus or minus 30,000 total barrels a day for the calendar 2024 year, which is pretty much the same volume we had over the 2023 year. The difference for 2024 versus 2023 is that close to 40% of the volumes we sold in the Gulf Coast were sold into the so called spot market down there. And that price that we get for our spot barrels on the Gulf Coast isn't as good as the price that we set as part of a medium to long term crude purchase agreement. What this new plant that we have set up down in the Gulf Coast means for us is that effectively 100% of all crude by rail that we sell in the Gulf Coast as of March of this year is all going to be sold on a termed up basis. Speaker 300:07:35So there's not going to be any barrels sold in the Gulf Coast spot market. What in turn that means is there was probably a third to 40% of our barrels over the course of 2023 getting a, let's call it, dollars 5 to $10 at discount to the base WCS Houston price. And now all of those barrels are going to be sold at a premium to the benchmark price. So I'd say, call it $5 to $10 per barrel swing on about onethree of that 30,000 per barrels that we sell down on the Gulf Coast. Speaker 200:08:27Got it. Thanks very much. Operator00:08:31Thank you. Next question comes from Menno Halschoff at TD Cowen. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:08:38Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Thanks for taking my question. Maybe I'll just follow-up with a question on Greg's line of questioning. Should we just assume that it's going to be a flat 30,000 barrels per day of unblended crude by rail to the Gulf Coast from here on in then? Speaker 400:08:54Or does that is there any reason to expect that to fluctuate with what heavy differentials do or is there no tie whatsoever? Speaker 100:09:04No, there's no real tie to the heavy differentials. It should be relatively flat across the year. Yes. And Speaker 300:09:12the key on that, Meadow, is we think the net realized price post transportation that we get on our crude by rail barrels certainly post this new premium is going to be at or better than the pipe netback that we get down to a call it $10 a local differential on the WCS benchmark. Speaker 400:09:44Okay. Thanks, Conor. That makes sense. And then maybe I'll just flip over to M and A since it's been such a big part of the growth story. What are you seeing in the market today in terms of the opportunity set? Speaker 400:09:56And how are those opportunities competing for capital with organic development? Speaker 100:10:03Yes. So thanks for the question. As we've talked about, done 10 transactions over the last 7 years, the first nine transactions with cash, obviously, our last one was equity based. Where you're seeing us talk about our cash flow and how the use of proceeds of our business is that we're focusing on that $2,500,000,000 debt target and then announcing following achieving that target a shareholder return policy, whereas Connor highlighted, we would expect to return a majority of our free cash flow to shareholders. So using cash at this point for M and A activity is not something that we're focused on. Speaker 100:10:49We did obviously now have a public listing and part of our rationale of getting a public listing was to potentially use our equity for M and A transactions. But I think as we've highlighted, building a space in the public markets is going to take a bit of time. And the current valuation of our shares is we just don't feel that it makes sense using that equity for M and A transaction. So our focus is from a returns perspective, we think reinvesting in the business, growing organically, which we have done over the last 7 years is the best use of our cash at this point in time. And we'll obviously keep an eye on the market and see what opportunities may occur, but I think in the near term, you'll see us focus on that organic growth. Speaker 400:11:36Thanks, Rob. I'll turn it back. Operator00:11:42Thank you. Question comes from Dennis Fong at CIBC World Markets. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:11:52Hi, good morning and thanks for taking my questions. My first one might follow on a little bit from Menno's second question there. I was hoping you could elaborate a little bit more about the strength in production from Cold Lake. Obviously, you're seeing a good ramp from Tucker H pad. Can you talk a little bit about where the production from that pad could go? Speaker 500:12:11And secondarily, maybe touch on Lindbergh a little bit as well. I want to understand what the production trajectory happens to be for this asset this year and where it could maybe get to over the next 12 to 18 months? Speaker 100:12:25Sure. Thanks, Dennis. As we look at Tucker, obviously, the 8 well pairs that we drilled had were some of the first well pairs at Tucker since 2017. And it was really a combination of the initial production from those well pairs, which I think we've generally ramped up to fairly full capacity. And but also the reactivations of the some of the legacy well pairs that had been shut in for quite some time given how the heat now has been distributed in the reservoir has really supported that production base at Tucker. Speaker 100:13:01We are in the process of drilling another new pad at Tucker, but we don't expect that production growth to come on until later 'twenty five into that sort of 2026 timeframe given the profile of the ramp up of those pads. As we look at Lindbergh, yes, we've had some very good response to some of the very basic debottlenecking work that we've done at that asset. And I think with the plan that we have in place of installing some incremental steam generation capacity, again, a lot of that activity comes on is sort of later 2025 into 2026. So we'll see a bit of ramp through the part of latter part of 2024 and then a lot more of that growth into 2025 and 2026 on those thermal assets. But we think we're on track towards ultimately filling that capacity as we've highlighted over the next couple of years. Speaker 500:13:58Great. Appreciate that color. Switching up a little bit towards hedging, saw some kind of reorganization of the contracts that you had there. Can you discuss how you think about this, we'll call it refresh commodity risk program and potentially what that means for, we'll call it cash flow stability and free cash flow sustainability or generation or the ability to cover CapEx and generate free cash over the next few years? Speaker 300:14:24Thanks. Sure. Thanks, Dennis. So when we look at what the cash book looks like now as the end of March, we effectively just have a little bit of a legacy TI swaps in place over the 1st part of Q2. And then have some gas collars in place through May. Speaker 300:14:48When you look at how we've built the business the last 7 years, in general, we've had quite a strong hedge profile on the business. And in part, what has driven that is we've built the business in close partnership with our bank group and part of getting that capital from our banks is an ongoing mandate to put hedges in place. When we think about what the balance sheet looks like now and as Rob says, a view that we're probably not going to be doing any kind of big cash transactions in the near term. What that in turn means is that the focus on trying to put swaps in swaps and other sorts of contracts in place is just a lot less than it used to be. So I think you'll still see us some hedging with the business going forward, but it will be much more with our callers where the floor of that caller is picked to make sure that even in a real trough point in the oil and gas price cycle that the balance sheet is still in a very strong shape and not as a way to lock in revenue, so to speak. Speaker 500:16:17Great. Thanks. Appreciate that color. I'll turn it back. Operator00:16:23Thank you. That is all for questions. I will turn the call back to Rob Morgan for closing remarks. Speaker 100:16:30All right. Well, thank you very much for joining us this morning and we look forward to discussing our Q1 remarks in May of this year. Thanks very much and have a great day. Operator00:16:45Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes yourRead morePowered by