NASDAQ:NYXH Nyxoah Q4 2023 Earnings Report $6.49 +0.39 (+6.39%) Closing price 04:00 PM EasternExtended Trading$6.34 -0.16 (-2.39%) As of 07:53 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings HistoryForecast Nyxoah EPS ResultsActual EPS-$0.41Consensus EPS -$0.41Beat/MissMet ExpectationsOne Year Ago EPSN/ANyxoah Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$1.96 millionExpected Revenue$2.01 millionBeat/MissMissed by -$50.00 thousandYoY Revenue GrowthN/ANyxoah Announcement DetailsQuarterQ4 2023Date3/5/2024TimeN/AConference Call DateTuesday, March 5, 2024Conference Call Time4:30PM ETUpcoming EarningsNyxoah's Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Tuesday, May 13, 2025, with a conference call scheduled on Wednesday, May 14, 2025 at 6:00 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Nyxoah Q4 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMarch 5, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 10 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:01Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to Nextel 4th Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. Please note that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to pass the call over to the Investor Relations and Communications Manager, Michaella Kirkwood. Speaker 100:00:38Thank you, Carmen. Good evening and good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to our earnings call for the Q4 and financial year of 2023. I am Mikaela Kirkwood, Investor Relations and Communications Manager at NextElla. Participating from the company today will be Olivier Talman, Chief Executive Officer and Lalique Moreau, Chief Financial Officer. During the call, we will discuss our operating activities and review our Q4 financial results released after U. Speaker 100:01:08S. Market closed today, after which we will host a question and answer session. The press release can be found on the Investor Relations section of our website. This call is being recorded and will be archived in the Events section of the Investor Relations tab of our website. Before we begin, I would like to remind you that any statements that relate to expectations or predictions of future events, market trends, results or performance are forward looking statements. Speaker 100:01:36All forward looking statements are based upon our current estimates and various assumptions. These statements involve material risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results or events to materially differ from those anticipated or implied by these forward looking statements. All forward looking statements are based upon current available information and the company assumes no obligation to update these statements. Accordingly, you should not place undue reliance on these statements. For a list and description of these risks and uncertainties associated with our business, please refer to the Risk Factors sections of our Form 20 F filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission on March 22, 2023. Speaker 100:02:16With that, I will now turn the call over to Olivier. Speaker 200:02:21Thank you, Mikaela. Good afternoon and good evening, everyone, and thank you for joining us for our Q4 and financial year 2023 earnings call. I would like to open with our 2023 accomplishments that have strengthened our confidence for a transformational 2024. Clinically, we completed enrollment in our DREAM U. S. Speaker 200:02:44Pivotal study in March and initiated enrollment in our Excess Complete Concentric Collapse U. S. Pivotal study. From a regulatory perspective, we filed the first three modules in the model of PMA submission. The 4th and final module will contain the DREAM safety and efficacy data. Speaker 200:03:04Commercially, we reported 2023 sales of €4,300,000 an increase of 43% from 2022, benefiting from our direct to consumer initiatives launched early in the year. We also initiated a partnership with ResMed Germany to further increase overall OSA therapy penetration, ensuring that patients have access to the right treatment. Finally, we continue building our U. S. Leadership team, strengthening our U. Speaker 200:03:38S. Presence. Looking ahead, 2024 is set to be the most exciting year in company's history. By early April, we expect to report safety and efficacy results from the DREAM study. Our confidence in DREAM outcomes is supported not only by roughly 500 commercial and clinical Genio Implants globally, but also by DREAM efficacy and safety data released in a late breaking poster session at SLED 2023 in June. Speaker 200:04:12In this poster, we reported efficacy data on the first 34 DREAM patients reaching 12 month follow-up, which demonstrated a 65% AHI responder rate, a 76 ODI responder rate and safety data on all 115 patients enrolled in the study that was in line with expectations. As a reminder, for the trial to be successful of the 115 patients, at least 62.6% need to be AHI and ODI responders at 12 month follow-up. We anticipate submitting the 4th and final module in our modular PMA filing, which will include DREAM 12 month safety and efficacy data during the Q2 this year. We are preparing for a launch by the end of 2024 as based upon modular PMA review cycle plans. We anticipate FDA approval in late 2024 or early 2025 as we do not control FDA timelines. Speaker 200:05:21To ensure we are fully prepared at launch, we are accelerating investments in our U. S. Commercial team. We anticipate having the commercial U. S. Speaker 200:05:30Leadership onboarded by midyear and bringing on our sales force, patient management teams and reimbursement specialists during the second half of twenty twenty four. The current hypoglossum nerve stimulation market in the U. S. Is very concentrated, allowing for a focused launch strategy on high volume sites, complemented by robust prior authorization and patient care teams. A streamlined patient referral pathway from sleep specialists to these sites will accelerate market growth. Speaker 200:06:09A key differentiator of bilateral stimulation to unilateral stimulation is the ability to treat complete concentric collapse of CCC patients. The U. S. AXS pivotal study continues to enroll. As a reminder, CCC patients represent approximately 30% of hypoglossal neurostimulation eligible to treat OSA patients who are contra indicated to commercially available AGNS therapy in the U. Speaker 200:06:39S. And do not have suitable treatment options other than major palate surgery. In the better sleep study, we demonstrated bilateral stimulation can treat CCC patients, which led to a complete concentric collapse label expansion in Europe. Recently, Jynneos' success in treating CCC patients commercially was demonstrated in a real world case series that showed an average apneahypotemia index decrease of 73%. The excess primary endpoints are similar to DREAM, with the objective to expand our U. Speaker 200:07:19S. Labeling to include complete concentric collapse indication and eliminate the need to perform a drug induced sleep endoscopy to determine whether the patient has CCC or not. Commercially, the 4th quarter was very strong with sales of €1,800,000 showing 87% sequential and 42% year over year growth. This is a result of both strong underlying demand for Jynio and recent commercial investments, including direct to consumer online campaigns and a patient hotline. Continued investing and understanding the patient journey resulted in the launch of a patient helpline and kicking off our ResMed journey collaboration to ensure every patient get the most appropriate OSA treatment. Speaker 200:08:14This is not only resulting in educating for by calling the hotline, but can be considered a key pillar in our 4th quarter success together with the strong work of sales and commercial team in Germany is doing. In 2024, the recent ResMed Germany collaboration will further expand the OSA continuum of care, guiding patients to the appropriate therapy. For CPAP quitting patients suffering from moderate to severe OSA, Genu as a solution, and for untreated patients, CPOP remains the golden standard. We continue to position ourselves as an innovation leader in the obstructive sleep apnea space, with always putting patients first and listening to our surgeons. As a result, Genio is a different approach to hypoglossal nerve stimulation to repair them with its lead and cuff solution. Speaker 200:09:14Genu offers patients a lead plus full body MRI compatible non implanted battery solution, powered and controlled by a wearable. Thanks to the fully upgradable wearable component, Genio patients can always have access to the most advanced technology without needing another surgery. The recently launched GenieO 2.1 enables greater stimulation adjustability and gives patients the autonomy to adjust stimulation amplitude within predefined boundaries. This will definitely help patients that are very sensitive to neurostimulation overall. While the Genieo 3.1 implantable stimulator is under regulatory review and will further support our implant for life concept. Speaker 200:10:04Future generations of the Genio system will have a more ergonomic wearable component, have sensors that will adjust stimulation based on sleeping position and provide patients with real time feedback through data collection that will improve the patient experience. We are making strong progress towards our key objectives for 2024, which are to complete patient follow-up in the DREAM U. S. Pivotal study and report efficacy and safety data by early April. File the 4th and final module on the model of PMA submission, complete patient enrollment in access U. Speaker 200:10:43S. Pivotal study, continue preparations to enter the U. S. Market with regulatory, manufacturing and market access readiness and drive further revenue growth in Germany, while opening new European markets. With that, I'm pleased to turn the call over to our Chief Finance Officer, Louis Morreau, who will provide a financial update. Speaker 300:11:07Thank you, Olivier. Good day to everyone and thank you for joining us today. Revenue for the Q4 ended December 31, 2023 was €1,800,000 a 42% increase over the Q4 of 2022 and an 87% increase over the Q3 of 2023. I would like to point out that the 4th quarters benefit the most from seasonality and while we expect a strong year over year growth in the Q1, we anticipate sales to be down sequentially. Total operating loss for the Q4 was €10,800,000 versus 9 point €1,000,000 for the Q4 of 2022, driven by an acceleration in clinical activities as well as commercial investments in Europe as well as U. Speaker 300:12:02S. As of December 31, 2023, cash and financial assets totaled €58,000,000 compared to €95,000,000 on December 31, 2022. During the Q4, our monthly cash burn was €4,900,000 a slight increase from 3Q, driven by U. S. Commercialization preparation activities. Speaker 300:12:28Based on our current cash position, we have runway into late 2024. With that, I will turn the call back over to Olivier. Speaker 200:12:38Thank you, Louis. As I hope you all agree, we are entering the most exciting time in NextEra's history. We are a few weeks away from dream clinical data results, which, if positive, should result in obtaining FDA approval in late 2024 or early 2025 depending upon FDA timeline. I look really forward to accelerating investments in the U. S. Speaker 200:13:02Commercial organization, so we will be ready for the late 2024 launch and continued sales growth in Europe. This concludes the formal part of our presentation. Operator, I will turn the call over to you to begin our Q and A session. Operator00:13:18Thank you so much. That is from Jon Block with Stifel. Please proceed. Great. Speaker 400:13:32Thanks guys and good afternoon. I'll start, the 4Q23 top line was certainly solid, I think ahead of most prior estimates and certainly ahead of ours. Olivia, maybe if you could just talk about what was that strength attributable to? Was it the DTC? Was it the ResMed partnership? Speaker 400:13:53I think there was a competitor that had some lead issues in Germany, pardon me. So maybe if you could just talk about the main drivers or even rank order them if you can, that'd be helpful as we think about our models. Speaker 200:14:06So thank you, John. Thank you for the question. And I can only agree. I think we can say that the Q4 was a very strong quarter in Germany. We estimate also that we have nearly took 50% of the German market share in the Q4. Speaker 200:14:21Know the drivers. I think, 1st of all, it's a confirmation that there is a high acceptance from all the German physicians. That is one thing. 2nd, we have 48 centers that are now fully trained and also implanting. We are offering doctors and patients a choice in the hypodontal nerve stimulation implant and stepping away from an invasive pacemaker solution into a single incision procedure. Speaker 200:14:45This is definitely helping. Further, there is the product differentiation putting patients at the center. And of course, there is the sleep physician focus through DTC. I think those components are really driving our Q4 strong results. Speaker 400:15:01Perfect. Great. That was very helpful. And maybe just a pivot for the second question. You touched on some of the next steps for U. Speaker 400:15:08S. Approval and then commercialization. Maybe just to probe a little bit more, can you comment on the status of call it the first three modules, right, that have already been submitted? And then is there anything new or incremental when we start thinking about the reimbursement path and which road you're going to go down? Thanks for your time guys. Speaker 200:15:28Yes. No, no. So as you mentioned correctly, in total there are 4 modules. We have submitted the first three modules already. The 4th and final module will contain the 12 month DREAMS safety and efficacy data and will be filed shortly in the Q2. Speaker 200:15:42So the first three are done. The 4th will go hand in hand with the DREAM safety data. Now when we are coming to our further market access strategy, because I think that was also part of the question, Currently, we have a team in place that is working to secure reimbursement from both CMS and the commercial payers. That team will also work with customers through the prior authorization process when we launch in the U. S. Speaker 200:16:08We are currently also in close conversations at the AAO, who will make a recommendation on CPT codes to AMA. There are a few different strategies. 1 would be using existing another one would be using existing neuromodulation code that covers our technology very well. But I think most important is that the reimbursement in both scenarios will be in line with current AG and S payment rates. So I hope that this is providing you an answer, John. Speaker 400:16:39Great color. I'll jump back in the queue. Thanks guys. Operator00:16:43Thank you. One moment for our next question please. And it's from the line of Ed White with H. C. Wainwright. Operator00:16:50Please proceed. Speaker 500:16:53Hello. Thanks for taking my questions. Perhaps if you could just quantify, if you can, the impact of seasonality in the Q1 of this year that you're expecting? Speaker 200:17:08Thank you, Ed, for this question. And I think the best place person to answer this is our CFO. So I'll hand it over to you. Speaker 300:17:14Thank you, Olivier, and thanks for the question, Ed. So as you are aware, the Q4 seasonality is driven by the phasing of hospital budgets and spending in Germany. We and as you know, we do not provide revenue guidance. But last year, if you observe the German SG and S market declined approximately 25% from the Q4 2022 to the Q1 2023. And we would anticipate a similar seasonality in the Q1 2024. Speaker 300:17:46Given we still have high customer concentration, the impact of seasonality on our Q1 could be more pronounced. That's what we anticipate. Speaker 500:17:57Okay. Thank you. And also just to clarify, are essentially all of your sales right now coming from Germany? Is there a number you can use to quantify that? Speaker 300:18:1390% of our sales in Europe are currently in Germany. Speaker 500:18:22Okay, great. Thank you. And my last question is just on the ResMed. How should we be thinking about the ResMed impact on sales so far? What are you seeing? Speaker 500:18:36Is there any way to determine if it's having an impact already or if it should be a later in 2024 event? And also is there the possibility of a ResMed agreement in the U. S. As well? Speaker 200:18:52So thank you again for this question. Olivier again, I will answer these in fact these two questions. So first of all, ResMed Germany collaboration, we announced the collaboration end of September 2023. We do not expect to see an impact for the first 6 months. So we anticipate beginning to realize benefits in the Q2 of this year. Speaker 200:19:13So that is, I think, the answer on the first part. Now the second, do you anticipate also partnering with ResMed in the U. S. Or strategies to go direct in the U. S? Speaker 200:19:23If there are opportunities to augment direct approach with partnerships like with ResMed touching on their relationship and tapping all of their relationships with 3 physicians, we will definitely explore those in going forward. Speaker 500:19:38Great. Thank you for taking my questions. Operator00:19:42Thank you. One moment for our next question please. And it's from the line of Ross Osborne with Cantor Fitzgerald. Please proceed. Speaker 600:19:52Hey, guys. Congrats on progress. Thanks for taking our questions. So starting off just on the U. S. Speaker 600:19:57Market, would Speaker 700:19:58you walk us through how Speaker 600:19:59you're thinking about initially commercializing Genio in terms of targeting existing Inspire users versus growing the market or in other words getting first time HD and S users to adopt Genio? Speaker 200:20:10Thank you, Ross, for the question. I mean, we are thinking and we are preparing a lot of different strategies on this point, but I can really be precise in the answer. So the U. S. Market today is very concentrated. Speaker 200:20:23We plan a targeted launch focused on top accounts, which constitute over 85 percent of current AG and S sales in the U. S. We will have a dedicated sales force sized appropriately for the targeted launch. There will be targeted DTC focus on product differentiation and patient referral pathway. I think this will be a main differentiator to what is happening today. Speaker 200:20:46It will be really a targeted DTC focus. We will be engaging with sleep specialists enabling a steady stream of patient referrals, scalable patient follow-up strategy and sales, marketing and prior authorization teams ahead of launch. And more details, I'm really happy to share with you there this year. Speaker 600:21:07Okay, great. And then maybe one more qualifying question on the ResMed partnership. Would you just remind us why they are incentivized to market Genio? Speaker 200:21:18Yes. So in fact, I 1st of all, I would like to maybe our partnership because through this partnership, we really aim both ResMed and XOR and our patient centric approach, developing a complete OSA ecosystem, where patients can be guided to whichever OSA treatment best suits their needs. We will collaborate on DTC initiatives, sales and marketing efforts to target both sleep physicians and ENT surgeons. And I think the goal of this partnership or to expand OSA therapy penetration and increase of market share. Now what are the benefits? Speaker 200:21:54I think for Onyxura, it's pretty obvious that having access to patients who are quitting CPAP that can be offered Genio, this will drive share gains and strengthen our relationship with sleep specialists. For ResMed, benefits from having access to more OSA patients through the ENT surgeons that we are having at myxola, also our helpline and increasing sleep specialist capacity by sending CPAP struggling patients who are time consuming to Genio. I think something also not to neglect is the health care system benefit. As untreated OSA patients are at high cost, ensuring these patients are optimal treated either with CPAP or REGENIO will definitely have a positive impact on reducing health care spendings. And overall, this partnership will also increase OSA therapy penetration and will benefit patients. Speaker 600:22:48Great. Thanks for taking my questions. Operator00:22:51Thank you. One moment for our next question, please. And it's from the line of David Rescott with Baird. Please proceed. Speaker 800:23:01Great. Thanks for taking the questions. I know you touched a little bit on the reimbursement landscape in the U. S. Again, I know you mentioned that September of last year at AAO, there was some discussions around new codes. Speaker 800:23:17Can you remind us what specifically are the next steps as you look out over the next several quarters or so around what we'll find out and when we're going to kind of find that update out around what a U. S. Reimbursement code would look like? Speaker 200:23:34Yes, no, no, definitely. So the next step will be very precise that the AO will make a recommendation on CPT code to AMA. So from our side, we are working immediately to secure reimbursement from both CMS once we have FDA approval, so that we can immediately start commercializing and in parallel, of course, preparing also commercial payers and educate and train them on products and also convince them to start reimbursing of technology. Now our competitor as you know has done a terrific job educating the commercial payers about the benefits of AGNS, resulting in all having AGNS coverage policies. We have already engaged in a new formal discussion with the payers and expect to engage those policies. Speaker 200:24:23At launch, very precise, we anticipate being reimbursed to prior authorizations and would expect to be included in coverage policies with commercial payers within 12 months afterwards. Speaker 800:24:39Okay. And then you mentioned some investments in the sales force ahead of the U. S. Launch. I heard you also mentioned some investments in manufacturing. Speaker 800:24:52I'm curious what specifically is going on from the manufacturing side. And historically, I think you talked about this $4,000,000 of quarterly cash burn. Is that kind of the right way to think about that into 2024? Or should there be some type of acceleration assuming that you continue to invest in some of the sales force and manufacturing capabilities ahead of the U. S. Speaker 800:25:17Launch? Thank you. Speaker 200:25:19Yes. So first part is on the manufacturing side. We really invested heavily. So we have now a complete approved site in Belgium manufacturing our products. And next to this, we are working with a service provider in the U. Speaker 200:25:34S. That will also manufacturing or will also manufacture our products. So with both sides, we do believe that we totally I completely have derisked the manufacturing volume capacity that we will be able to start building inventory before the launch, so that at all time when we launch, we will have significant inventory in our possession that there will never be a product shortage in the 1st 12 months of launch. That is one thing. When it comes to the cost relating to this and the overall spend, Ulrike, I'm sure that you would like to comment on this a little bit further. Speaker 300:26:10So you have seen that we burned €4,900,000 in the last quarter of 2023. When we look forward, we expect the burn rate to remain steady for the first half of the year, while we are doing our pre commercial investments. And then when we starting this summer, we expect this burn rate to accelerate as we see more and more investments in U. S. Commercialization activities. Speaker 800:26:44Okay, great. Thank you. Operator00:26:46Thank you. One moment for our next question please. And it's from the line of Adam Meter with Piper Sandler. Please proceed. Speaker 900:26:58Hi, good afternoon. Congrats on the nice finish to the year and the recent progress and thanks for taking the questions. I wanted to start on the DREAM study and just the disclosure strategy around full DREAM results. So I heard the data should be communicated by early April. Olivier, are you able to talk a little bit more about exactly what's going to be shared at that point in time? Speaker 900:27:22Is it simply just top line information? Will we get additional details? I'm assuming it's going to be messaged in the form of a press release, but maybe just talk about disclosure strategy and then I have a follow-up. Thank you. Speaker 200:27:35So thank you, Adam, for the question. So as I mentioned, and I knew we will communicate latest beginning of April the data. That will be in a press release followed also by a call. We will be focused on top line results, AHI reduction, respond rate, ODI reduction. And then we are planning and moving forward to reveal all the data in detail during the ISSS conference in September, where we will have our PI talking to the data and the details. Speaker 200:28:06So what you can expect is top line data being released in the press release, followed also by a call where there can be more questions and we will be focusing on, in fact, responder rate, AHI reduction, ODI reduction. We'll also talk high level on the safety data that we are having. And then, of course, in parallel, we are preparing everything for publication in a Tier 1 journal. Speaker 900:28:30That's perfect. Thank you for the color, Olivier. And then for the follow-up, I wanted to ask about the ACCESS study. I think it was mentioned in the prepared remarks, but was hoping just to get a little bit more granular in terms of enrollment progress in that study. How should we think about potential timelines for enrollment completion and ultimately potential FDA commercial approval for CCC patients? Speaker 900:28:57Thank you for taking the questions. Speaker 200:28:59Yes. No, no. So we continue to make progress with the study. We will not disclose the number of patients implanted already. But that being said, we still continue to plan to close all implants by the end of 2024. Speaker 200:29:13Then there is a 12 month patient follow-up. So that brings us to the end of 2025. And then the aim is to submit the CCC data as a PMA supplement that should take maximum 6 to 9 month review period. So we plan to have the level expansion assuming all data are positive mid-twenty 26. Speaker 900:29:35Very helpful. Thank you. Operator00:29:38Thank you. One moment for our next question please. And it's from the line of Laura Robach with Degroof Peter Cam. Please proceed. Speaker 100:29:49Hi, thank you for taking my question. We see that gross margin was lower in Q4. Q4. Could you elaborate a bit on that and on what we could expect for 2024? Speaker 200:30:00Definitely. And this is definitely a question for our CFO. Speaker 300:30:04Thank you, Laura. Yes, indeed, we were at 60% in Q4 versus 62% for the rest of the year. Actually, this is explained by our scale and specifically the fact that we have a newly opened manufacturing site in Belgium that is not yet at full capacity. So we see some modest variability quarter over quarter. That said, we anticipate the gross margin to increase over the coming quarters as we scale up volumes. Speaker 300:30:39Over time, we expect our gross margin to eventually approximate the level of other neural stimulation companies and to be above 80%. Speaker 100:30:50Okay. That's very clear. Thank you. Operator00:30:53Thank you so much. And one moment for our next question, please. All right. And our last question will be from Suraj Kalia with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:31:08Olivier, Lloyd, can you hear me all right? Speaker 200:31:10Yes, we can. Speaker 700:31:12Hello. Pardon the background noise and congrats on the progress. So Olivia, a few questions from my side. As we look forward to Dream, Olivia, what would you say in your position, say, the results are how do you characterize the delta between bilateral versus unilateral? What would make you say these results are better than unilateral? Speaker 700:31:40What would make you say these are somewhat less than unilateral? Speaker 200:31:46So if I understand the question correct, Suraj, because there is a little bit of background. So you're asking the results comparison between bilateral results and unilateral results that we are seeing. Is this correct? Speaker 700:32:00Yes. I guess what I'm trying to understand, Olivier, is you can rest assured, the numbers are going to be sliced and diced 10 different ways to make different complete cohort, of Inspire had a certain responder rate. We can slice and dice different metrics. What would make you say, you know what, this is the totality of these results show bilateral is better than unilateral. What would make you somewhat cautious and say, you know what, we missed somewhere versus unilateral? Speaker 200:32:45Yes. So first of all, I have to point out that the study was not designed to show superiority and it was even not a head to head trial. But on the other hand, you are totally Yes. Speaker 900:32:56No, I get it. Speaker 200:32:57So we are okay. So the patient's phenotyping, we look at the inclusion criteria, we look at the BMI criteria. So the studies are really similar or comparable. Now what would we expect? So if we can show and that's what we already communicated. Speaker 200:33:141st of all, of course, reaching the primary endpoint. 2nd, showing equivalent compared to the unilateral stimulation for non CCC patients. I think that would be already accomplishment. When you look at what the responder rate would mean, in our case, we are forward and we actually show a responder rate of 62.6%. So I would like to see numbers, of course, above. Speaker 200:33:42That is one thing. And then second, there will also be a lot of analysis that will be done on AHI reduction. What is the AHI reduction for patients with a higher BMI, for patients with a BMI that is, for example, 25% and then going lower. So I think this is really important. Let's also not forget the ODI reduction because there is also a dichotomy and desaturation and the mortality risk. Speaker 200:34:06So I think this is important. And of course, all reductions have to meet the clinically have to be clinically relevant. So that's what we are looking at. So equivalent, that's what we would like to claim. We would further slice and dice the data and looking on AHI reductions. Speaker 200:34:23There is also the supine position that we are seeing and how the reduction is this because during a night patients, they tend not to stay only on one in one position, but to toss and turn a little bit. So also there we will come with a sub analysis. So that's what you can expect from our Speaker 900:34:41data. Got Speaker 700:34:42it. And Olivier, I'll quickly with my follow-up question and avoid the background noise. So Olivia, do you expect Genio eventually to be used in patients who are unwilling to try CPAP? And also what has been the experience in Germany? Are they more female gender usage is higher than male, just given beard issues? Speaker 700:35:06Thank you for taking my questions. Speaker 200:35:09So first of all, we have to follow the current guidelines and that means that patients need to be refractory or quitting CPAP. So that is one thing. So we will become first line. I think in order to do this, AGNS need to change those guidelines. But for now, it's clear that patients have to have CPAP before they become eligible for an AGNS treatment. Speaker 200:35:35So when it comes to the gender of patients, so also there, we still see that the majority of patients are male and not female. And when it comes to the fact that you allude to, we also there we can confirm that patients who are suffering from moderate or severe OSA and are offered to Genio solutions are really happy to shave, if I can say it like this, so that they can really benefit from our technology and from the bilateral stimulation as it is recommended by their surgeons and physicians. So I hope that this is answering your question. Operator00:36:13Thank you. And with that, ladies and gentlemen, we conclude our Q and A and program for today. Thank you all for participating. 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Email Address About NyxoahNyxoah (NASDAQ:NYXH), a medical technology company, focuses on the development and commercialization of solutions to treat sleep disordered breathing conditions. The company's lead solution comprises Genio system, a CE-Marked, patient-centric, and hypoglossal neurostimulation therapy to treat moderate to severe obstructive sleep apnea. 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There are 10 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:01Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to Nextel 4th Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. Please note that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to pass the call over to the Investor Relations and Communications Manager, Michaella Kirkwood. Speaker 100:00:38Thank you, Carmen. Good evening and good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to our earnings call for the Q4 and financial year of 2023. I am Mikaela Kirkwood, Investor Relations and Communications Manager at NextElla. Participating from the company today will be Olivier Talman, Chief Executive Officer and Lalique Moreau, Chief Financial Officer. During the call, we will discuss our operating activities and review our Q4 financial results released after U. Speaker 100:01:08S. Market closed today, after which we will host a question and answer session. The press release can be found on the Investor Relations section of our website. This call is being recorded and will be archived in the Events section of the Investor Relations tab of our website. Before we begin, I would like to remind you that any statements that relate to expectations or predictions of future events, market trends, results or performance are forward looking statements. Speaker 100:01:36All forward looking statements are based upon our current estimates and various assumptions. These statements involve material risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results or events to materially differ from those anticipated or implied by these forward looking statements. All forward looking statements are based upon current available information and the company assumes no obligation to update these statements. Accordingly, you should not place undue reliance on these statements. For a list and description of these risks and uncertainties associated with our business, please refer to the Risk Factors sections of our Form 20 F filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission on March 22, 2023. Speaker 100:02:16With that, I will now turn the call over to Olivier. Speaker 200:02:21Thank you, Mikaela. Good afternoon and good evening, everyone, and thank you for joining us for our Q4 and financial year 2023 earnings call. I would like to open with our 2023 accomplishments that have strengthened our confidence for a transformational 2024. Clinically, we completed enrollment in our DREAM U. S. Speaker 200:02:44Pivotal study in March and initiated enrollment in our Excess Complete Concentric Collapse U. S. Pivotal study. From a regulatory perspective, we filed the first three modules in the model of PMA submission. The 4th and final module will contain the DREAM safety and efficacy data. Speaker 200:03:04Commercially, we reported 2023 sales of €4,300,000 an increase of 43% from 2022, benefiting from our direct to consumer initiatives launched early in the year. We also initiated a partnership with ResMed Germany to further increase overall OSA therapy penetration, ensuring that patients have access to the right treatment. Finally, we continue building our U. S. Leadership team, strengthening our U. Speaker 200:03:38S. Presence. Looking ahead, 2024 is set to be the most exciting year in company's history. By early April, we expect to report safety and efficacy results from the DREAM study. Our confidence in DREAM outcomes is supported not only by roughly 500 commercial and clinical Genio Implants globally, but also by DREAM efficacy and safety data released in a late breaking poster session at SLED 2023 in June. Speaker 200:04:12In this poster, we reported efficacy data on the first 34 DREAM patients reaching 12 month follow-up, which demonstrated a 65% AHI responder rate, a 76 ODI responder rate and safety data on all 115 patients enrolled in the study that was in line with expectations. As a reminder, for the trial to be successful of the 115 patients, at least 62.6% need to be AHI and ODI responders at 12 month follow-up. We anticipate submitting the 4th and final module in our modular PMA filing, which will include DREAM 12 month safety and efficacy data during the Q2 this year. We are preparing for a launch by the end of 2024 as based upon modular PMA review cycle plans. We anticipate FDA approval in late 2024 or early 2025 as we do not control FDA timelines. Speaker 200:05:21To ensure we are fully prepared at launch, we are accelerating investments in our U. S. Commercial team. We anticipate having the commercial U. S. Speaker 200:05:30Leadership onboarded by midyear and bringing on our sales force, patient management teams and reimbursement specialists during the second half of twenty twenty four. The current hypoglossum nerve stimulation market in the U. S. Is very concentrated, allowing for a focused launch strategy on high volume sites, complemented by robust prior authorization and patient care teams. A streamlined patient referral pathway from sleep specialists to these sites will accelerate market growth. Speaker 200:06:09A key differentiator of bilateral stimulation to unilateral stimulation is the ability to treat complete concentric collapse of CCC patients. The U. S. AXS pivotal study continues to enroll. As a reminder, CCC patients represent approximately 30% of hypoglossal neurostimulation eligible to treat OSA patients who are contra indicated to commercially available AGNS therapy in the U. Speaker 200:06:39S. And do not have suitable treatment options other than major palate surgery. In the better sleep study, we demonstrated bilateral stimulation can treat CCC patients, which led to a complete concentric collapse label expansion in Europe. Recently, Jynneos' success in treating CCC patients commercially was demonstrated in a real world case series that showed an average apneahypotemia index decrease of 73%. The excess primary endpoints are similar to DREAM, with the objective to expand our U. Speaker 200:07:19S. Labeling to include complete concentric collapse indication and eliminate the need to perform a drug induced sleep endoscopy to determine whether the patient has CCC or not. Commercially, the 4th quarter was very strong with sales of €1,800,000 showing 87% sequential and 42% year over year growth. This is a result of both strong underlying demand for Jynio and recent commercial investments, including direct to consumer online campaigns and a patient hotline. Continued investing and understanding the patient journey resulted in the launch of a patient helpline and kicking off our ResMed journey collaboration to ensure every patient get the most appropriate OSA treatment. Speaker 200:08:14This is not only resulting in educating for by calling the hotline, but can be considered a key pillar in our 4th quarter success together with the strong work of sales and commercial team in Germany is doing. In 2024, the recent ResMed Germany collaboration will further expand the OSA continuum of care, guiding patients to the appropriate therapy. For CPAP quitting patients suffering from moderate to severe OSA, Genu as a solution, and for untreated patients, CPOP remains the golden standard. We continue to position ourselves as an innovation leader in the obstructive sleep apnea space, with always putting patients first and listening to our surgeons. As a result, Genio is a different approach to hypoglossal nerve stimulation to repair them with its lead and cuff solution. Speaker 200:09:14Genu offers patients a lead plus full body MRI compatible non implanted battery solution, powered and controlled by a wearable. Thanks to the fully upgradable wearable component, Genio patients can always have access to the most advanced technology without needing another surgery. The recently launched GenieO 2.1 enables greater stimulation adjustability and gives patients the autonomy to adjust stimulation amplitude within predefined boundaries. This will definitely help patients that are very sensitive to neurostimulation overall. While the Genieo 3.1 implantable stimulator is under regulatory review and will further support our implant for life concept. Speaker 200:10:04Future generations of the Genio system will have a more ergonomic wearable component, have sensors that will adjust stimulation based on sleeping position and provide patients with real time feedback through data collection that will improve the patient experience. We are making strong progress towards our key objectives for 2024, which are to complete patient follow-up in the DREAM U. S. Pivotal study and report efficacy and safety data by early April. File the 4th and final module on the model of PMA submission, complete patient enrollment in access U. Speaker 200:10:43S. Pivotal study, continue preparations to enter the U. S. Market with regulatory, manufacturing and market access readiness and drive further revenue growth in Germany, while opening new European markets. With that, I'm pleased to turn the call over to our Chief Finance Officer, Louis Morreau, who will provide a financial update. Speaker 300:11:07Thank you, Olivier. Good day to everyone and thank you for joining us today. Revenue for the Q4 ended December 31, 2023 was €1,800,000 a 42% increase over the Q4 of 2022 and an 87% increase over the Q3 of 2023. I would like to point out that the 4th quarters benefit the most from seasonality and while we expect a strong year over year growth in the Q1, we anticipate sales to be down sequentially. Total operating loss for the Q4 was €10,800,000 versus 9 point €1,000,000 for the Q4 of 2022, driven by an acceleration in clinical activities as well as commercial investments in Europe as well as U. Speaker 300:12:02S. As of December 31, 2023, cash and financial assets totaled €58,000,000 compared to €95,000,000 on December 31, 2022. During the Q4, our monthly cash burn was €4,900,000 a slight increase from 3Q, driven by U. S. Commercialization preparation activities. Speaker 300:12:28Based on our current cash position, we have runway into late 2024. With that, I will turn the call back over to Olivier. Speaker 200:12:38Thank you, Louis. As I hope you all agree, we are entering the most exciting time in NextEra's history. We are a few weeks away from dream clinical data results, which, if positive, should result in obtaining FDA approval in late 2024 or early 2025 depending upon FDA timeline. I look really forward to accelerating investments in the U. S. Speaker 200:13:02Commercial organization, so we will be ready for the late 2024 launch and continued sales growth in Europe. This concludes the formal part of our presentation. Operator, I will turn the call over to you to begin our Q and A session. Operator00:13:18Thank you so much. That is from Jon Block with Stifel. Please proceed. Great. Speaker 400:13:32Thanks guys and good afternoon. I'll start, the 4Q23 top line was certainly solid, I think ahead of most prior estimates and certainly ahead of ours. Olivia, maybe if you could just talk about what was that strength attributable to? Was it the DTC? Was it the ResMed partnership? Speaker 400:13:53I think there was a competitor that had some lead issues in Germany, pardon me. So maybe if you could just talk about the main drivers or even rank order them if you can, that'd be helpful as we think about our models. Speaker 200:14:06So thank you, John. Thank you for the question. And I can only agree. I think we can say that the Q4 was a very strong quarter in Germany. We estimate also that we have nearly took 50% of the German market share in the Q4. Speaker 200:14:21Know the drivers. I think, 1st of all, it's a confirmation that there is a high acceptance from all the German physicians. That is one thing. 2nd, we have 48 centers that are now fully trained and also implanting. We are offering doctors and patients a choice in the hypodontal nerve stimulation implant and stepping away from an invasive pacemaker solution into a single incision procedure. Speaker 200:14:45This is definitely helping. Further, there is the product differentiation putting patients at the center. And of course, there is the sleep physician focus through DTC. I think those components are really driving our Q4 strong results. Speaker 400:15:01Perfect. Great. That was very helpful. And maybe just a pivot for the second question. You touched on some of the next steps for U. Speaker 400:15:08S. Approval and then commercialization. Maybe just to probe a little bit more, can you comment on the status of call it the first three modules, right, that have already been submitted? And then is there anything new or incremental when we start thinking about the reimbursement path and which road you're going to go down? Thanks for your time guys. Speaker 200:15:28Yes. No, no. So as you mentioned correctly, in total there are 4 modules. We have submitted the first three modules already. The 4th and final module will contain the 12 month DREAMS safety and efficacy data and will be filed shortly in the Q2. Speaker 200:15:42So the first three are done. The 4th will go hand in hand with the DREAM safety data. Now when we are coming to our further market access strategy, because I think that was also part of the question, Currently, we have a team in place that is working to secure reimbursement from both CMS and the commercial payers. That team will also work with customers through the prior authorization process when we launch in the U. S. Speaker 200:16:08We are currently also in close conversations at the AAO, who will make a recommendation on CPT codes to AMA. There are a few different strategies. 1 would be using existing another one would be using existing neuromodulation code that covers our technology very well. But I think most important is that the reimbursement in both scenarios will be in line with current AG and S payment rates. So I hope that this is providing you an answer, John. Speaker 400:16:39Great color. I'll jump back in the queue. Thanks guys. Operator00:16:43Thank you. One moment for our next question please. And it's from the line of Ed White with H. C. Wainwright. Operator00:16:50Please proceed. Speaker 500:16:53Hello. Thanks for taking my questions. Perhaps if you could just quantify, if you can, the impact of seasonality in the Q1 of this year that you're expecting? Speaker 200:17:08Thank you, Ed, for this question. And I think the best place person to answer this is our CFO. So I'll hand it over to you. Speaker 300:17:14Thank you, Olivier, and thanks for the question, Ed. So as you are aware, the Q4 seasonality is driven by the phasing of hospital budgets and spending in Germany. We and as you know, we do not provide revenue guidance. But last year, if you observe the German SG and S market declined approximately 25% from the Q4 2022 to the Q1 2023. And we would anticipate a similar seasonality in the Q1 2024. Speaker 300:17:46Given we still have high customer concentration, the impact of seasonality on our Q1 could be more pronounced. That's what we anticipate. Speaker 500:17:57Okay. Thank you. And also just to clarify, are essentially all of your sales right now coming from Germany? Is there a number you can use to quantify that? Speaker 300:18:1390% of our sales in Europe are currently in Germany. Speaker 500:18:22Okay, great. Thank you. And my last question is just on the ResMed. How should we be thinking about the ResMed impact on sales so far? What are you seeing? Speaker 500:18:36Is there any way to determine if it's having an impact already or if it should be a later in 2024 event? And also is there the possibility of a ResMed agreement in the U. S. As well? Speaker 200:18:52So thank you again for this question. Olivier again, I will answer these in fact these two questions. So first of all, ResMed Germany collaboration, we announced the collaboration end of September 2023. We do not expect to see an impact for the first 6 months. So we anticipate beginning to realize benefits in the Q2 of this year. Speaker 200:19:13So that is, I think, the answer on the first part. Now the second, do you anticipate also partnering with ResMed in the U. S. Or strategies to go direct in the U. S? Speaker 200:19:23If there are opportunities to augment direct approach with partnerships like with ResMed touching on their relationship and tapping all of their relationships with 3 physicians, we will definitely explore those in going forward. Speaker 500:19:38Great. Thank you for taking my questions. Operator00:19:42Thank you. One moment for our next question please. And it's from the line of Ross Osborne with Cantor Fitzgerald. Please proceed. Speaker 600:19:52Hey, guys. Congrats on progress. Thanks for taking our questions. So starting off just on the U. S. Speaker 600:19:57Market, would Speaker 700:19:58you walk us through how Speaker 600:19:59you're thinking about initially commercializing Genio in terms of targeting existing Inspire users versus growing the market or in other words getting first time HD and S users to adopt Genio? Speaker 200:20:10Thank you, Ross, for the question. I mean, we are thinking and we are preparing a lot of different strategies on this point, but I can really be precise in the answer. So the U. S. Market today is very concentrated. Speaker 200:20:23We plan a targeted launch focused on top accounts, which constitute over 85 percent of current AG and S sales in the U. S. We will have a dedicated sales force sized appropriately for the targeted launch. There will be targeted DTC focus on product differentiation and patient referral pathway. I think this will be a main differentiator to what is happening today. Speaker 200:20:46It will be really a targeted DTC focus. We will be engaging with sleep specialists enabling a steady stream of patient referrals, scalable patient follow-up strategy and sales, marketing and prior authorization teams ahead of launch. And more details, I'm really happy to share with you there this year. Speaker 600:21:07Okay, great. And then maybe one more qualifying question on the ResMed partnership. Would you just remind us why they are incentivized to market Genio? Speaker 200:21:18Yes. So in fact, I 1st of all, I would like to maybe our partnership because through this partnership, we really aim both ResMed and XOR and our patient centric approach, developing a complete OSA ecosystem, where patients can be guided to whichever OSA treatment best suits their needs. We will collaborate on DTC initiatives, sales and marketing efforts to target both sleep physicians and ENT surgeons. And I think the goal of this partnership or to expand OSA therapy penetration and increase of market share. Now what are the benefits? Speaker 200:21:54I think for Onyxura, it's pretty obvious that having access to patients who are quitting CPAP that can be offered Genio, this will drive share gains and strengthen our relationship with sleep specialists. For ResMed, benefits from having access to more OSA patients through the ENT surgeons that we are having at myxola, also our helpline and increasing sleep specialist capacity by sending CPAP struggling patients who are time consuming to Genio. I think something also not to neglect is the health care system benefit. As untreated OSA patients are at high cost, ensuring these patients are optimal treated either with CPAP or REGENIO will definitely have a positive impact on reducing health care spendings. And overall, this partnership will also increase OSA therapy penetration and will benefit patients. Speaker 600:22:48Great. Thanks for taking my questions. Operator00:22:51Thank you. One moment for our next question, please. And it's from the line of David Rescott with Baird. Please proceed. Speaker 800:23:01Great. Thanks for taking the questions. I know you touched a little bit on the reimbursement landscape in the U. S. Again, I know you mentioned that September of last year at AAO, there was some discussions around new codes. Speaker 800:23:17Can you remind us what specifically are the next steps as you look out over the next several quarters or so around what we'll find out and when we're going to kind of find that update out around what a U. S. Reimbursement code would look like? Speaker 200:23:34Yes, no, no, definitely. So the next step will be very precise that the AO will make a recommendation on CPT code to AMA. So from our side, we are working immediately to secure reimbursement from both CMS once we have FDA approval, so that we can immediately start commercializing and in parallel, of course, preparing also commercial payers and educate and train them on products and also convince them to start reimbursing of technology. Now our competitor as you know has done a terrific job educating the commercial payers about the benefits of AGNS, resulting in all having AGNS coverage policies. We have already engaged in a new formal discussion with the payers and expect to engage those policies. Speaker 200:24:23At launch, very precise, we anticipate being reimbursed to prior authorizations and would expect to be included in coverage policies with commercial payers within 12 months afterwards. Speaker 800:24:39Okay. And then you mentioned some investments in the sales force ahead of the U. S. Launch. I heard you also mentioned some investments in manufacturing. Speaker 800:24:52I'm curious what specifically is going on from the manufacturing side. And historically, I think you talked about this $4,000,000 of quarterly cash burn. Is that kind of the right way to think about that into 2024? Or should there be some type of acceleration assuming that you continue to invest in some of the sales force and manufacturing capabilities ahead of the U. S. Speaker 800:25:17Launch? Thank you. Speaker 200:25:19Yes. So first part is on the manufacturing side. We really invested heavily. So we have now a complete approved site in Belgium manufacturing our products. And next to this, we are working with a service provider in the U. Speaker 200:25:34S. That will also manufacturing or will also manufacture our products. So with both sides, we do believe that we totally I completely have derisked the manufacturing volume capacity that we will be able to start building inventory before the launch, so that at all time when we launch, we will have significant inventory in our possession that there will never be a product shortage in the 1st 12 months of launch. That is one thing. When it comes to the cost relating to this and the overall spend, Ulrike, I'm sure that you would like to comment on this a little bit further. Speaker 300:26:10So you have seen that we burned €4,900,000 in the last quarter of 2023. When we look forward, we expect the burn rate to remain steady for the first half of the year, while we are doing our pre commercial investments. And then when we starting this summer, we expect this burn rate to accelerate as we see more and more investments in U. S. Commercialization activities. Speaker 800:26:44Okay, great. Thank you. Operator00:26:46Thank you. One moment for our next question please. And it's from the line of Adam Meter with Piper Sandler. Please proceed. Speaker 900:26:58Hi, good afternoon. Congrats on the nice finish to the year and the recent progress and thanks for taking the questions. I wanted to start on the DREAM study and just the disclosure strategy around full DREAM results. So I heard the data should be communicated by early April. Olivier, are you able to talk a little bit more about exactly what's going to be shared at that point in time? Speaker 900:27:22Is it simply just top line information? Will we get additional details? I'm assuming it's going to be messaged in the form of a press release, but maybe just talk about disclosure strategy and then I have a follow-up. Thank you. Speaker 200:27:35So thank you, Adam, for the question. So as I mentioned, and I knew we will communicate latest beginning of April the data. That will be in a press release followed also by a call. We will be focused on top line results, AHI reduction, respond rate, ODI reduction. And then we are planning and moving forward to reveal all the data in detail during the ISSS conference in September, where we will have our PI talking to the data and the details. Speaker 200:28:06So what you can expect is top line data being released in the press release, followed also by a call where there can be more questions and we will be focusing on, in fact, responder rate, AHI reduction, ODI reduction. We'll also talk high level on the safety data that we are having. And then, of course, in parallel, we are preparing everything for publication in a Tier 1 journal. Speaker 900:28:30That's perfect. Thank you for the color, Olivier. And then for the follow-up, I wanted to ask about the ACCESS study. I think it was mentioned in the prepared remarks, but was hoping just to get a little bit more granular in terms of enrollment progress in that study. How should we think about potential timelines for enrollment completion and ultimately potential FDA commercial approval for CCC patients? Speaker 900:28:57Thank you for taking the questions. Speaker 200:28:59Yes. No, no. So we continue to make progress with the study. We will not disclose the number of patients implanted already. But that being said, we still continue to plan to close all implants by the end of 2024. Speaker 200:29:13Then there is a 12 month patient follow-up. So that brings us to the end of 2025. And then the aim is to submit the CCC data as a PMA supplement that should take maximum 6 to 9 month review period. So we plan to have the level expansion assuming all data are positive mid-twenty 26. Speaker 900:29:35Very helpful. Thank you. Operator00:29:38Thank you. One moment for our next question please. And it's from the line of Laura Robach with Degroof Peter Cam. Please proceed. Speaker 100:29:49Hi, thank you for taking my question. We see that gross margin was lower in Q4. Q4. Could you elaborate a bit on that and on what we could expect for 2024? Speaker 200:30:00Definitely. And this is definitely a question for our CFO. Speaker 300:30:04Thank you, Laura. Yes, indeed, we were at 60% in Q4 versus 62% for the rest of the year. Actually, this is explained by our scale and specifically the fact that we have a newly opened manufacturing site in Belgium that is not yet at full capacity. So we see some modest variability quarter over quarter. That said, we anticipate the gross margin to increase over the coming quarters as we scale up volumes. Speaker 300:30:39Over time, we expect our gross margin to eventually approximate the level of other neural stimulation companies and to be above 80%. Speaker 100:30:50Okay. That's very clear. Thank you. Operator00:30:53Thank you so much. And one moment for our next question, please. All right. And our last question will be from Suraj Kalia with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:31:08Olivier, Lloyd, can you hear me all right? Speaker 200:31:10Yes, we can. Speaker 700:31:12Hello. Pardon the background noise and congrats on the progress. So Olivia, a few questions from my side. As we look forward to Dream, Olivia, what would you say in your position, say, the results are how do you characterize the delta between bilateral versus unilateral? What would make you say these results are better than unilateral? Speaker 700:31:40What would make you say these are somewhat less than unilateral? Speaker 200:31:46So if I understand the question correct, Suraj, because there is a little bit of background. So you're asking the results comparison between bilateral results and unilateral results that we are seeing. Is this correct? Speaker 700:32:00Yes. I guess what I'm trying to understand, Olivier, is you can rest assured, the numbers are going to be sliced and diced 10 different ways to make different complete cohort, of Inspire had a certain responder rate. We can slice and dice different metrics. What would make you say, you know what, this is the totality of these results show bilateral is better than unilateral. What would make you somewhat cautious and say, you know what, we missed somewhere versus unilateral? Speaker 200:32:45Yes. So first of all, I have to point out that the study was not designed to show superiority and it was even not a head to head trial. But on the other hand, you are totally Yes. Speaker 900:32:56No, I get it. Speaker 200:32:57So we are okay. So the patient's phenotyping, we look at the inclusion criteria, we look at the BMI criteria. So the studies are really similar or comparable. Now what would we expect? So if we can show and that's what we already communicated. Speaker 200:33:141st of all, of course, reaching the primary endpoint. 2nd, showing equivalent compared to the unilateral stimulation for non CCC patients. I think that would be already accomplishment. When you look at what the responder rate would mean, in our case, we are forward and we actually show a responder rate of 62.6%. So I would like to see numbers, of course, above. Speaker 200:33:42That is one thing. And then second, there will also be a lot of analysis that will be done on AHI reduction. What is the AHI reduction for patients with a higher BMI, for patients with a BMI that is, for example, 25% and then going lower. So I think this is really important. Let's also not forget the ODI reduction because there is also a dichotomy and desaturation and the mortality risk. Speaker 200:34:06So I think this is important. And of course, all reductions have to meet the clinically have to be clinically relevant. So that's what we are looking at. So equivalent, that's what we would like to claim. We would further slice and dice the data and looking on AHI reductions. Speaker 200:34:23There is also the supine position that we are seeing and how the reduction is this because during a night patients, they tend not to stay only on one in one position, but to toss and turn a little bit. So also there we will come with a sub analysis. So that's what you can expect from our Speaker 900:34:41data. Got Speaker 700:34:42it. And Olivier, I'll quickly with my follow-up question and avoid the background noise. So Olivia, do you expect Genio eventually to be used in patients who are unwilling to try CPAP? And also what has been the experience in Germany? Are they more female gender usage is higher than male, just given beard issues? Speaker 700:35:06Thank you for taking my questions. Speaker 200:35:09So first of all, we have to follow the current guidelines and that means that patients need to be refractory or quitting CPAP. So that is one thing. So we will become first line. I think in order to do this, AGNS need to change those guidelines. But for now, it's clear that patients have to have CPAP before they become eligible for an AGNS treatment. Speaker 200:35:35So when it comes to the gender of patients, so also there, we still see that the majority of patients are male and not female. And when it comes to the fact that you allude to, we also there we can confirm that patients who are suffering from moderate or severe OSA and are offered to Genio solutions are really happy to shave, if I can say it like this, so that they can really benefit from our technology and from the bilateral stimulation as it is recommended by their surgeons and physicians. So I hope that this is answering your question. Operator00:36:13Thank you. And with that, ladies and gentlemen, we conclude our Q and A and program for today. Thank you all for participating. And you may now disconnect.Read morePowered by