NASDAQ:FHB First Hawaiian Q1 2024 Earnings Report $23.26 +0.31 (+1.35%) Closing price 05/2/2025 04:00 PM EasternExtended Trading$23.24 -0.02 (-0.06%) As of 05/2/2025 04:20 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings HistoryForecast First Hawaiian EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.42Consensus EPS $0.42Beat/MissMet ExpectationsOne Year Ago EPSN/AFirst Hawaiian Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$205.80 millionExpected Revenue$202.41 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$3.39 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/AFirst Hawaiian Announcement DetailsQuarterQ1 2024Date4/26/2024TimeN/AConference Call DateFriday, April 26, 2024Conference Call Time1:00PM ETConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by First Hawaiian Q1 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrApril 26, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 10 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the First Hawaiian Inc. Q1 2024 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. Operator00:00:28I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker, Mr. Kevin Hasayama, Investor Relations Manager. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:35Thank you, Tanya, and thank you everyone for joining us as we review our financial results for the Q1 of 2024. With me today are Bob Harrison, Chairman, President and CEO Jamie Moses, Chief Financial Officer and Lee Nakamura, Chief Risk Officer. We have prepared a slide presentation that we will refer to in our remarks today. The presentation is available for downloading and viewing on our website at fhb.com in the Investor Relations section. During today's call, we will be making forward looking statements. Speaker 100:01:09So please refer to Slide 1 for our Safe Harbor statement. We may also discuss certain non GAAP financial measures. The appendix to this presentation contains reconciliations of these non GAAP financial measurements to the most directly comparable GAAP measurements. And now I'll turn the call over to Bob. Speaker 200:01:29Good morning, everyone. I'll start with an overview of the local economy. Hawaii economy continues to perform well with the state unemployment rate remaining low, tourism is steady and the construction industry is healthy. Statewide seasonally adjusted unemployment rate for March was 3.1% compared to the national unemployment rate of 3.8%. The statewide visitor industry has continued to recover faster than expected following the Valley wildfires, but still remains slightly below 2023 levels. Speaker 200:02:05The legislative session is wrapping up and additional funding was secured for the Hawaii Tourism Authority and a new marketing campaign was announced a couple of days ago, so things are looking up for that. Through February, total visitor arrivals were down 0.6% and spending was down 1.9% compared to 2023 levels. That was primarily due to declines on Maui. Excluding Maui, arrivals and spending were above 2023 levels. Growth in international visitors have helped offset declining visitors from the U. Speaker 200:02:42S. Mainland, with increases in Japanese visitors making up most of the increase in the international arrivals. The housing market is relatively stable despite reduced activity levels. In March, the median sales price for a single family home on Oahu was $1,100,000 a 1.5% higher than 2023. The median sales price for condos on Oahu was $500,000 6.7% below the previous year. Speaker 200:03:16Turning to Slide 2, I'll go over the highlights of our Q1 financial performance. We started the year with a solid quarter. Net income was $54,300,000 or $0.42 per share. The return on average tangible assets was 0.94 percent and the return on average tangible common equity was 14.53%. As expected, the net interest margin expanded in the Q1. Speaker 200:03:43This drove a $2,600,000 increase in net interest income versus the prior quarter. Turning to Slide 3, we continue to execute the balance sheet optimization that started in the 4th quarter with the sale of $526,000,000 of investment securities. During the Q1, we used those proceeds to pay down about $470,000,000 of higher cost public time deposits. The duration of the investment portfolio increased slightly in Q1 as a result of the security sale during the prior quarter. Our balance sheet strength continued to increase as we grew capital levels and have ample liquidity. Speaker 200:04:30Turning to Slide 4, period end loans to leases were $14,300,000,000 about $33,000,000 lower than December 31. Line draws for ongoing construction projects drove the $72,000,000 increase in construction loans. We did continue to face headwinds due to the slowdown in residential real estate market and the continued runoff in the indirect auto portfolio. We still believe that loan demand will pick up in the second half of the year and that full year growth will be in the low single digit range. Now I'll turn it over to Jamie. Speaker 300:05:07Thanks, Bob, and good morning, everyone. Turning to Slide 5, total deposit balances declined by $663,000,000 primarily due to the $470,000,000 decrease in public time deposits. The decrease in public cost sorry, excuse me, in higher cost public time was intentional and was part of the overall balance sheet actions that we announced on our last call. Retail deposits increased by $142,000,000 in the Q1 and that was offset by a $355,000,000 decline in commercial deposits. The drop in commercial deposits was primarily due to normal fluctuations in a few large commercial accounts as well as about $170,000,000 of insurance payments related to the Maui wildfires. Speaker 300:05:49The non interest bearing deposit ratio was 34% at the end of the quarter. The rate of increase in deposit costs continued to slow down in the Q1. Our total cost of deposits for the quarter was 165 basis points, a 9 basis point increase from the prior quarter. Turning to slide 6, net interest income increased $2,600,000 from the prior quarter to $154,400,000 and our reported net interest margin increased by 10 basis points to 2.91%. We had a non recurring interest income related to the recognition of interest on deferred loans tied to the Maui wildfires that added about $1,500,000 to interest income and 3 basis points to the margin in the Q1. Speaker 300:06:35The spot NIM in March was 2.87% and we are projecting the NIM in the 2nd quarter to be about 2.89%. We do expect that the NIM will increase about 1 to 2 basis points per quarter for the remainder of the year. Through the end of the Q1, the cumulative betas were 46.5% on interest bearing deposits and 30.2% on total deposits. Turning to Slide 7, non interest income was $51,400,000 $7,000,000 less than the prior quarter. We had about $2,000,000 of non recurring income in Q2 excuse me, in Q1 as a result of insurance proceeds we received for losses we incurred during the Lahaina wildfires. Speaker 300:07:17We continue to expect quarterly non interest income to be in the $49,000,000 to $50,000,000 range. Non interest expenses were $128,800,000 in the Q1 and included a $4,100,000 FDIC special assessment. Excluding that special assessment, expenses were in line with our expectations and we continue to expect full year expenses to be around $500,000,000 Now I'll turn it over to Leigh. Speaker 400:07:42Thank you, Jamie. Moving to Slide 8, the bank maintained its strong credit performance and healthy credit metrics in the Q1. While we have seen some modest deterioration in credit quality, our experience so far is well within our expectations. We are not observing any broad signs of weakness across either the consumer or commercial loan books and we have more than sufficient loan loss coverage. Classified assets increased by $64,300,000 driven by several downgraded credits. Speaker 400:08:12This caused the ratio of classified assets to total loans and leases to increase by 45 basis points to 64 basis points of total loans and leases. Of that $64,300,000 increase, $24,400,000 was paid off in full after the end of the Q1. Year to date net charge offs were $3,800,000 Our annualized year to date net charge off rate was 11 basis points, 2 basis points higher than in the 4th quarter. Non performing assets and loans past due 90 days or more were 15 basis points of total loans and leases at the end of the Q1, unchanged from the prior quarter. And finally, the bank recorded a $6,300,000 provision in the Q1. Speaker 400:08:56Moving to Slide 9, we show our Q1 allowance for credit losses broken out by disclosure segment. The asset ACL increased by $3,300,000 to $159,800,000 with coverage rising 3 basis points to 1.12% of total loans and leases. DACL continues to include a reserve for the potential impact of the Maui wildfires. This estimate includes the potential impact to borrowers located both inside and outside of the fire zones as well as any insurance coverage. Turning to Slide 10, we provide an updated snapshot of our commercial real estate exposure. Speaker 400:09:35CRE represents approximately 30% of our total loans and leases. Credit quality remains strong with LTV's manageable and criticized loans continuing to comprise a very small portion of the portfolio. Let me now turn the call back to Bob for any closing remarks. Speaker 200:09:51Thank you, Jamie. Thank you, Lee. We welcome any questions that you would have. Operator00:09:59Certainly. And our first question will come from David Pfister of Raymond James. Your line is open. Speaker 500:10:28Hey, good morning everybody. Speaker 200:10:30Good morning, Desh. Speaker 500:10:32Doing great. Maybe just touching on the margin side a bit. Appreciate all the color that you guys gave. But I mean really like the key driver to the margin is going to be deposit performance, right, especially on the NIB front. I'm curious if you could help us maybe think through how the NIB balances trended throughout the quarter? Speaker 500:10:54And just any thoughts on overall core deposits growth and the initiatives that you've got in place from that perspective? Just curious kind of on the deposit side, how you think things play out? Speaker 300:11:07Yes. Thanks, Dave. It's Jamie. In terms of one part of your question, right, which was sort of performance throughout the quarter, most of the non interest bearing decline that we saw that happened in January February moderated quite a bit in March. But our guide forward does include some continued non interest bearing movement from again from NIB into some into interest bearing deposit accounts. Speaker 300:11:39And I think you kind of nailed the forward NIM expectation as well, right? That is that's going to be kind of entirely driven by how that performance about how that migration happens throughout the year. So we in our modeling right with our guidance that kind of that implies some decrease from Q1 into Q2, continued moderation in Q3 and continued moderation in Q4. So that's kind of what the basis for our NIM guidance is. And then as it relates to deposit gathering initiatives, I think we're really continue to be focused on generating net new checking accounts is really where the focus is. Speaker 300:12:29We have our securities portfolio continues to run off. We're going to continue to do that. So our need to grow deposits is moderated a little bit because of that. And with our loan growth guidance in sort of the low single digit area, the need to really be hyper competitive and go out and gather new money market accounts or newer CDs and things like that. It's kind of, I would say, we have moderate need for those things. Speaker 300:13:02So we're really focused on net new checking accounts. And then the second part of that in terms of deposits really comes down to our relationships, right? And so we want to make sure that we continue to be there for our customers in the ways that they need us to be. So to the extent that there are more deposit customers that have some rate sensitivity, we will respond to that with them. And to the extent that we can gather more non interest bearing deposits, obviously, we'd like that as well. Speaker 200:13:37And Dave, this is Bob. Maybe just to add to Jamie's comments, which are spot on is just remember from the call last quarter last quarter's call that this year we have about $1,500,000,000 of fixed rate loans rolling over and $600,000,000 of securities. So that's what's really helping drive that NIM expansion throughout the year. You can't exactly predict what's going to happen with deposits to Jamie's point, but that we do know that those will reset and the securities will mature. Speaker 500:14:11And that kind of feeds right into my next question. That's a really good point. And you guys are look, you're naturally rate sensitive just given the strength of your deposit base, right? And you've been active managing the balance sheet with the securities book and all that. I'm curious, how do you think about managing the balance sheet today, right? Speaker 500:14:32The rate outlook continues to change pretty rapidly. One second, everybody's worried about rate cuts. And now we're talking about a higher for longer environment. But I'm just curious, how do you think about managing the balance sheet at this point, just kind of given that uncertainty on the rate front And anything that you guys are considering at this point? Speaker 300:14:54It's a great question, Dave. I think the way that I'm kind of thinking about it right now is that we have this securities portfolio. It's yielding $230,000,000 or somewhere in that neighborhood. On the margins, we're funding that with 5% higher cost deposits. And so at the moment, I'm kind of we're kind of waiting biding our time, I would say, right? Speaker 300:15:18We're kind of just managing through that natural grind. We have we feel really good about the cash flows off that portfolio. They were structured in such a way so that it wouldn't extend or contract too much given a different rate environment. So what we're really focused on is helping our customers, being there for our customers to the extent that there's loan growth opportunities with our customers. We want to be there for that. Speaker 300:15:46And in the meantime, really thinking about the overall balance sheet kind of on the margins and the securities portfolio that's going to continue to run off. And we will fill in the gaps where we need on the funding side with public time deposits if that's required. So I don't we're not really thinking about hedging anything at this point. We feel pretty good about where we're at. Even at a down rate scenario, say 100 basis points down, 200 basis points down, that's still a net positive action with replacing securities portfolio and running off the time deposits. Speaker 300:16:32So we also have an FHLB borrowing that is going to mature in the 3rd quarter. So there's a lot of sort of moving parts there. But at the moment, I think we're comfortable with the balance sheet. We like the way we're doing it. As you say, rate outlooks change intraday even today, right? Speaker 300:16:52So we're really trying to just be focused on our customers and just grinding through this sort of odd mix at the moment with the securities portfolio and the marginal higher cost of funds. Speaker 500:17:07That's extremely helpful. Could you remind us the size of that upcoming maturity and the rate on it? Speaker 300:17:13The FHLB, it's $500,000,000 It's going to mature in September September 1. September 1. And it is I think it's at a $4.90 rate. Speaker 500:17:24Okay. Perfect. And then just last one for me. Look, you guys touched on credit broadly and you feel like you're well covered, talked about some downgrades that you saw in the book. I mean, non accruals held steady and it's benign. Speaker 500:17:37Talked about some downgrades. I was curious what drove those and maybe just your thoughts more broadly on credit, what you're seeing, what you're watching closely and just any thoughts even on CRE just kind of given the market type or focus on that segment? Speaker 200:17:53Dave, this is Bob. I'll start maybe and hand it over to Lee. It's a really interesting quarter other than a handful of downgrades that she can speak to better really across the board. We stayed the same or got better on every other metric for delinquencies for NPAs, etcetera. So we aren't seeing any signs. Speaker 200:18:13It's something we pride ourselves on as being very thoughtful about supporting borrowers and making sure that they can they have the ability to pay us back. But it's not unusual for this part of the cycle to see a little bit of weakness in a handful of names. So with that, Dave, I'll hand it over to Tilly. Speaker 400:18:31I don't really have much to add other than our metrics our delinquency metrics are started at a very low base. So it doesn't take much for it to pop. And we're staying close to the borrowers that we think are a little bit under duress and we talk to them constantly. We understand what the projects are. We're actually quite comfortable even with that loan that we mentioned that we paid off. Speaker 400:19:05We actually were very comfortable with the loan. There are circumstances that require us to categorize it a certain way, but I think fundamentally the portfolio is actually quite strong. Speaker 500:19:19Okay. Terrific. Thanks everybody for all the color. Operator00:19:23And one moment for our next question. And our next question will be coming from Steven Alexopoulos of JPMorgan. Your line is open. Speaker 600:19:37Hi, everybody. Speaker 200:19:39Hi, Steve. Speaker 600:19:40I want to start so Jamie, you just indicated on the non interest bearing. I thought you said that trends moderated in March. I'm not sure exactly what you mean by that. Do you mean that you saw you still saw outflows in March, but not to the degree of January, February? And I say that because the period end non interest bearing deposit balances were I think it was $200,000,000 or so below the average. Speaker 600:20:05So your period end was down fairly materially. Speaker 300:20:11Yes. That's right. So I mean, I think the right way to think about it is most of that outflow happened in January February. And then in March, it was pretty much flat. Speaker 600:20:24It was flattish in March. Okay. Speaker 300:20:26Yes. Speaker 600:20:26Got it. And you're assuming flattish. Is that what you're assuming for the rest of the year? Speaker 300:20:31No. Actually, that 1 to 2 basis point guide would assume that, say, we were $500,000,000 down, say, in the Q1 that sort of moderates down to flat by the end of the year. Speaker 600:20:47Got it. Okay. Yes. What about the public time? What's your thinking on that for the rest of the year? Speaker 600:20:54Because those continue to come down too. Speaker 300:20:56Yes. That's I mean, we think that we're going to be able to bring that down in line with the size of the balance sheet. Hopefully, we have hopefully that non interest bearing moderation that we're talking about hopefully that slows down even more, which would allow us to pay even pay down more of those public time deposits. So at the moment, we think that's going to come down. Then there's going to be need for a little bit of funding in September with the FHLB borrowings. Speaker 300:21:28And so we'll kind of we're going to we'll manage that on sort of like what's best for us in terms of financials, right, around the rate on those things. So it's possible that the public time increases in Q3 with the pay down of the FHLBs or it's possible maybe we'll find some other borrowing source that maybe makes a little more sense economically for us at that time. So the public time really is going to be a function of the extent of the loan growth that we have and the other deposit either growth or declines that we have. Speaker 600:22:06Okay. That's helpful. And actually, I was going to ask on the loan growth. Quite a few banks were fairly optimistic with the pipeline. They didn't have a lot of growth this quarter, but they were more optimistic. Speaker 600:22:16What are you guys seeing on the pipeline? I'm talking more commercial C and I pipeline. Speaker 200:22:21Sure. Steve, this is Bob. So we expect flooring came down a little bit this quarter, not unusual to have it kind of pop up at year end and come down in Q1. So we think they'll have some strength to it. You're seeing production levels at much higher levels through most manufacturers, some of the foreign brands, in particular Toyota, has been challenged, although I'm sure they'll be catching up by year end. Speaker 200:22:48So that's one area. We are seeing still some deal flow from the commercial real estate side and in particular, deals that we put on a year ago that, of course, on the construction side, the equity money goes in first and then you start with the draws. And so we saw that strength in this quarter. We think there will continue to be some strength. And we're seeing slightly better pricing in the indirect world as well. Speaker 200:23:13And so we think decline in that portfolio will start to moderate, and we'll see where that goes. If it makes sense, we want to do that business, and it's good business. We know it extremely well. Just the economics for a while just didn't make sense for us. So I think really those areas, one area that we're not forecasting any real recovery in residential, we hope it gets better, but that's just a hope that's not a forecast. Speaker 200:23:38So we're going to just watch that and be there for our customers as needed, but hard to see a lot of uptick in residential in the back half of this year. Speaker 600:23:49Got it. Okay. And Bob, if I can ask one other one just on capital. You continue to accrete capital pretty nicely here. What do you think you go from a share buyback perspective, right? Speaker 600:24:01Because your credit quality overall is pristine and you're not using capital to grow the balance sheet. So it seems like you're just going to continue to accrete capital. How do you think about returning some of that to shareholders? Speaker 200:24:13And a great question, and we have the authorization to do that. I think the only thing we're looking at now, one, as we talked about previously, we want to kind of get through that uncertainty period of what happened a year ago with SVB and just a lot of questions out there in the market. So I feel that we're past that. So that's the good news. It's the most important thing. Speaker 200:24:33Our ratios across the board, not just common equity Tier 1, but all the other ratios have improved to a point where that's off the table in, I think, most people's minds. And then the second one is there is a remixing, and this is what we're watching as we remix the balance sheet out of securities and into loans, obviously, a much higher capital weight going up from 20% to 100%. So it really is looking at that. And then if not this quarter, certainly the back half of the year, we'll be looking closely at that and decide when and if a share repurchase actually putting starting to do some share repurchase makes sense. But that is more likely in the back half of the year. Speaker 600:25:15Got it. So more to come. Okay. Thanks for taking my questions. Speaker 200:25:20You're welcome. Operator00:25:21And one moment for our next question. And our next question will be coming from Timur Braziler of Wells Fargo. Your line is open. Speaker 700:25:37Hi, good morning. Maybe circling back on just balance sheet size, so I guess your commentary on continued pay downs of the public funds? And then I guess with the FHLB borrowing that's coming due in September, is the expectation there or is it the willingness there to pay that off or roll that into new borrowings? And I guess just more broadly, is there an outcome where the balance sheet growth kind of in the next couple of quarters? Or do you really need to see some pickup on the lending activity before we should start to see the balance sheet actually expand? Speaker 300:26:20Yes. Hey, Timur, it's Jamie. I mean, I think the last comment you made is probably the right one there, right, which is the size of the balance sheet is really going to be mostly dependent upon what we do on the lending side. Feel pretty comfortable for the time being about the securities portfolio and the runoff associated with that. So, yes, I think the size of the balance sheet will be sort of dictated on the lending side because that cash flow is pretty certain on the security side. Speaker 300:26:56The other part to your question FHLB borrowings. So yes, so that there's a chance that we roll that over if needed in September. There's also other opportunities in either the public CD market or even in our retail CD market. So at that point, it's going to be kind of dependent upon the economics of what we see. Potentially, there are potential reasons to either roll that over or to do public time deposits at that time. Speaker 300:27:32So we'll think through that for sure. Speaker 700:27:39Okay, thanks. And then circling back on credit, it looks like a large portion of the increase in the criticized loan in the multifamily construction, and you have a footnote in here saying that it's centered around rental and for sale housing. I guess just maybe more broadly, what occurred in that portfolio and to what extent is the tourism kind of driving that result? Any kind of additional color you could provide there would be helpful. Speaker 200:28:10Yes, Timur, this is Bob. It's that loan in particular, and you'll see it on Page 16, is multifamily construction. It was a Mainland deal. It's a very strong sponsor. They stepped up to the plate and paid it off. Speaker 200:28:24And so that criticized portion there is 0 as of today, just to give you an idea. So more broadly in the portfolio, as we've looked at for deals we do on the mainland, we look first to the sponsor as well as the agent bank and make sure those 2 are people we want to work with. And not every deal works out exactly as you planned, and you just need to work through some of them. And that's what we did in this case. So more broadly, we're still very comfortable with the strategy. Speaker 200:28:53We're still very careful on which markets we go into, which sponsors we work with and which agent banks we want to partner with on that. Does that answer your question? Speaker 700:29:06That does, yes. And then maybe just a follow-up there. Just can you give us the geography that loan was in? And then maybe just some broader commentary about what you're seeing in the Mainland portfolio? Speaker 200:29:17Yes. That was in the California market. And again, those are the gateway cities we've been talking about for some time ever since we started the strategy. And that's why it is it was able to get refinanced and we got paid off just because of the strength of the project. And even there's some weakness in some of those markets, but you have to be very specific about even within some of those gateway cities exactly where you're doing the deal and where the deal is being done. Speaker 200:29:46And even the submarkets are all very important. And building that expertise and being able to execute on that is really what drives a lot of the credit quality as well. Speaker 700:29:59Great. Thanks for the questions. Operator00:30:03And one moment for our next question. And our next question will be coming from Jared Shaw of Barclays. Jared, your line is open. Speaker 800:30:16Hey, good morning. Thanks. Maybe just first on Maui, what's the remaining expected insurance benefit or payment from outstanding claims? Or is that all tied up with what we saw this quarter? Speaker 300:30:37So, yes, so just to be very clear about what that insurance benefit was, that was insurance on our building, on our branch that burned down. And so we had that was that insurance claim for this quarter from us. And then on the deposit side, that were that was claims that came into that was claims money that came into the bank that got paid out in the quarter to recipients. So just want to clarify those two comments. And then if that didn't address your question, then maybe if you could ask it again that we can that either Lee or Bob can handle. Speaker 800:31:19Yes, yes. I think that's it. So that $2,000,000 that you called out for the branch, there's really no other FHB claims outstanding then is the way to think of it? Speaker 400:31:32There will be once we start the actual rebuild on the Speaker 100:31:36branch. Okay. Speaker 200:31:37That will be farther out. So but that's kind of the initial and then as time goes by and it's hard to determine when that will happen or specifically the amount at this point in time. Speaker 800:31:51Okay. All right. Thanks. And then my follow-up, there's a competitor bank that's been in the news lately with a parent that's struggling a little bit. What's your or do you have any thoughts on how that could impact the market? Speaker 800:32:08Is that an opportunity for you to either take market share or protect market share? And would you envision a situation where potentially a new competitor would come on to the islands and be in the market? Or do you think that disposition there would likely involve Hawaii Banks? Speaker 200:32:34Yes, Jared, that's we prefer not to speculate on that and that's very much kind of just wait and see how that plays out. Speaker 600:32:44Okay. Speaker 200:32:45I don't have any comment on that one. Speaker 800:32:47Okay. All right. Thanks. Operator00:32:50And one moment for our next question. Our next question will be coming from Andrew Liesch of Piper Sandler. Andrew, your line is open. Speaker 300:33:02Thanks. Hey, everyone. Just one quick question for me. You've covered everything else. The do you have the balance of shared national credits and how is the credit quality performing in those right now? Speaker 400:33:16So we do have the balance of shared national credits. So we actually sorry, we actually divide the portfolio up into credit only versus non credit only. So the outstanding balance on the credit only SNCs at the end of the quarter was 324,000,000 dollars And how is the credit quality standing up? There's been some weakness admittedly, but we do have expectations for resolutions on those. None of them are on non accrual or anything. Speaker 400:33:53They're just incorporated into our table on Slide 15. Speaker 200:34:00Got it. Did that answer your question or? Speaker 300:34:03Yes, absolutely. No, really helpful. And thanks. So you've covered everything else. I'll step back. Speaker 300:34:09Great. Speaker 200:34:10Yes, just a little broader context maybe because obviously the portfolio is much larger and we kind of we have different cuts on it. The first cut is Hawaii based shared national credit versus mainland based shared national credits. And then within the mainland based shared national credit is the ones that really have a presence here in Hawaii that we have a broader relationship with. And there are some that deploy some of our excess capital liquidity where credit only as we call it. And that's what Lee was referring to. Speaker 700:34:46Got it. Thank you. Operator00:34:49And one moment for our next question. And our next question will be coming from Kelly Motta of KBW. Your line is open. Speaker 900:35:00Hi, thanks so much for the question. I apologize I dropped off the call. So I apologize if this has been asked already. But in the quarter, there was quite a nice uptick in loan yields. I'm wondering, your release did call out a 3 basis point impact, sort of one time benefit in margin. Speaker 900:35:25Just wondering if there is any of that in the loan yields, if maybe there is non accrual recoveries or anything that would be helpful when to consider when modeling the margin as we look ahead? Speaker 300:35:42Yes. Thanks, Kelly. It's Jamie. That was that 3 basis points that was on the loan side of things, in particular, was in the residential mortgage bucket. And it was related to kind of like timing differences, I would say, in deferral take ups related to Maui. Speaker 300:36:01And so we kind of had some catch up interest that happened in Q1 that was about $1,500,000 So that was like a non recurring piece of that in Q1. Speaker 900:36:12Got it. That's helpful. I'm going to I'll step back. Thank you so much. Speaker 200:36:15Yes. Operator00:36:18And I would now like to turn the conference back to Kevin Hasayama for closing remarks. Speaker 100:36:23Thank you, Tanya. 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Email Address About First HawaiianFirst Hawaiian (NASDAQ:FHB) operates as a bank holding company for First Hawaiian Bank that provides a range of banking products and services to consumer and commercial customers in the United States. It operates in three segments: Retail Banking, Commercial Banking, and Treasury and Other. The company offers various deposit products, including checking, savings, and time deposit accounts, and other deposit accounts. It also provides residential and commercial mortgage loans, home equity lines of credit and loans, automobile loans and leases, secured and unsecured lines of credit, installment loans, small business loans and leases, and construction lending, as well as commercial lease and auto dealer financing. In addition, the company offers wealth management, personal installment, individual investment and financial planning, insurance protection, trust and estate, private banking, investment management, retirement planning, and merchant processing services, as well as consumer and commercial credit cards. The company was formerly known as BancWest Corporation and changed its name to First Hawaiian, Inc. in April 2016. 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There are 10 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the First Hawaiian Inc. Q1 2024 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. Operator00:00:28I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker, Mr. Kevin Hasayama, Investor Relations Manager. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:35Thank you, Tanya, and thank you everyone for joining us as we review our financial results for the Q1 of 2024. With me today are Bob Harrison, Chairman, President and CEO Jamie Moses, Chief Financial Officer and Lee Nakamura, Chief Risk Officer. We have prepared a slide presentation that we will refer to in our remarks today. The presentation is available for downloading and viewing on our website at fhb.com in the Investor Relations section. During today's call, we will be making forward looking statements. Speaker 100:01:09So please refer to Slide 1 for our Safe Harbor statement. We may also discuss certain non GAAP financial measures. The appendix to this presentation contains reconciliations of these non GAAP financial measurements to the most directly comparable GAAP measurements. And now I'll turn the call over to Bob. Speaker 200:01:29Good morning, everyone. I'll start with an overview of the local economy. Hawaii economy continues to perform well with the state unemployment rate remaining low, tourism is steady and the construction industry is healthy. Statewide seasonally adjusted unemployment rate for March was 3.1% compared to the national unemployment rate of 3.8%. The statewide visitor industry has continued to recover faster than expected following the Valley wildfires, but still remains slightly below 2023 levels. Speaker 200:02:05The legislative session is wrapping up and additional funding was secured for the Hawaii Tourism Authority and a new marketing campaign was announced a couple of days ago, so things are looking up for that. Through February, total visitor arrivals were down 0.6% and spending was down 1.9% compared to 2023 levels. That was primarily due to declines on Maui. Excluding Maui, arrivals and spending were above 2023 levels. Growth in international visitors have helped offset declining visitors from the U. Speaker 200:02:42S. Mainland, with increases in Japanese visitors making up most of the increase in the international arrivals. The housing market is relatively stable despite reduced activity levels. In March, the median sales price for a single family home on Oahu was $1,100,000 a 1.5% higher than 2023. The median sales price for condos on Oahu was $500,000 6.7% below the previous year. Speaker 200:03:16Turning to Slide 2, I'll go over the highlights of our Q1 financial performance. We started the year with a solid quarter. Net income was $54,300,000 or $0.42 per share. The return on average tangible assets was 0.94 percent and the return on average tangible common equity was 14.53%. As expected, the net interest margin expanded in the Q1. Speaker 200:03:43This drove a $2,600,000 increase in net interest income versus the prior quarter. Turning to Slide 3, we continue to execute the balance sheet optimization that started in the 4th quarter with the sale of $526,000,000 of investment securities. During the Q1, we used those proceeds to pay down about $470,000,000 of higher cost public time deposits. The duration of the investment portfolio increased slightly in Q1 as a result of the security sale during the prior quarter. Our balance sheet strength continued to increase as we grew capital levels and have ample liquidity. Speaker 200:04:30Turning to Slide 4, period end loans to leases were $14,300,000,000 about $33,000,000 lower than December 31. Line draws for ongoing construction projects drove the $72,000,000 increase in construction loans. We did continue to face headwinds due to the slowdown in residential real estate market and the continued runoff in the indirect auto portfolio. We still believe that loan demand will pick up in the second half of the year and that full year growth will be in the low single digit range. Now I'll turn it over to Jamie. Speaker 300:05:07Thanks, Bob, and good morning, everyone. Turning to Slide 5, total deposit balances declined by $663,000,000 primarily due to the $470,000,000 decrease in public time deposits. The decrease in public cost sorry, excuse me, in higher cost public time was intentional and was part of the overall balance sheet actions that we announced on our last call. Retail deposits increased by $142,000,000 in the Q1 and that was offset by a $355,000,000 decline in commercial deposits. The drop in commercial deposits was primarily due to normal fluctuations in a few large commercial accounts as well as about $170,000,000 of insurance payments related to the Maui wildfires. Speaker 300:05:49The non interest bearing deposit ratio was 34% at the end of the quarter. The rate of increase in deposit costs continued to slow down in the Q1. Our total cost of deposits for the quarter was 165 basis points, a 9 basis point increase from the prior quarter. Turning to slide 6, net interest income increased $2,600,000 from the prior quarter to $154,400,000 and our reported net interest margin increased by 10 basis points to 2.91%. We had a non recurring interest income related to the recognition of interest on deferred loans tied to the Maui wildfires that added about $1,500,000 to interest income and 3 basis points to the margin in the Q1. Speaker 300:06:35The spot NIM in March was 2.87% and we are projecting the NIM in the 2nd quarter to be about 2.89%. We do expect that the NIM will increase about 1 to 2 basis points per quarter for the remainder of the year. Through the end of the Q1, the cumulative betas were 46.5% on interest bearing deposits and 30.2% on total deposits. Turning to Slide 7, non interest income was $51,400,000 $7,000,000 less than the prior quarter. We had about $2,000,000 of non recurring income in Q2 excuse me, in Q1 as a result of insurance proceeds we received for losses we incurred during the Lahaina wildfires. Speaker 300:07:17We continue to expect quarterly non interest income to be in the $49,000,000 to $50,000,000 range. Non interest expenses were $128,800,000 in the Q1 and included a $4,100,000 FDIC special assessment. Excluding that special assessment, expenses were in line with our expectations and we continue to expect full year expenses to be around $500,000,000 Now I'll turn it over to Leigh. Speaker 400:07:42Thank you, Jamie. Moving to Slide 8, the bank maintained its strong credit performance and healthy credit metrics in the Q1. While we have seen some modest deterioration in credit quality, our experience so far is well within our expectations. We are not observing any broad signs of weakness across either the consumer or commercial loan books and we have more than sufficient loan loss coverage. Classified assets increased by $64,300,000 driven by several downgraded credits. Speaker 400:08:12This caused the ratio of classified assets to total loans and leases to increase by 45 basis points to 64 basis points of total loans and leases. Of that $64,300,000 increase, $24,400,000 was paid off in full after the end of the Q1. Year to date net charge offs were $3,800,000 Our annualized year to date net charge off rate was 11 basis points, 2 basis points higher than in the 4th quarter. Non performing assets and loans past due 90 days or more were 15 basis points of total loans and leases at the end of the Q1, unchanged from the prior quarter. And finally, the bank recorded a $6,300,000 provision in the Q1. Speaker 400:08:56Moving to Slide 9, we show our Q1 allowance for credit losses broken out by disclosure segment. The asset ACL increased by $3,300,000 to $159,800,000 with coverage rising 3 basis points to 1.12% of total loans and leases. DACL continues to include a reserve for the potential impact of the Maui wildfires. This estimate includes the potential impact to borrowers located both inside and outside of the fire zones as well as any insurance coverage. Turning to Slide 10, we provide an updated snapshot of our commercial real estate exposure. Speaker 400:09:35CRE represents approximately 30% of our total loans and leases. Credit quality remains strong with LTV's manageable and criticized loans continuing to comprise a very small portion of the portfolio. Let me now turn the call back to Bob for any closing remarks. Speaker 200:09:51Thank you, Jamie. Thank you, Lee. We welcome any questions that you would have. Operator00:09:59Certainly. And our first question will come from David Pfister of Raymond James. Your line is open. Speaker 500:10:28Hey, good morning everybody. Speaker 200:10:30Good morning, Desh. Speaker 500:10:32Doing great. Maybe just touching on the margin side a bit. Appreciate all the color that you guys gave. But I mean really like the key driver to the margin is going to be deposit performance, right, especially on the NIB front. I'm curious if you could help us maybe think through how the NIB balances trended throughout the quarter? Speaker 500:10:54And just any thoughts on overall core deposits growth and the initiatives that you've got in place from that perspective? Just curious kind of on the deposit side, how you think things play out? Speaker 300:11:07Yes. Thanks, Dave. It's Jamie. In terms of one part of your question, right, which was sort of performance throughout the quarter, most of the non interest bearing decline that we saw that happened in January February moderated quite a bit in March. But our guide forward does include some continued non interest bearing movement from again from NIB into some into interest bearing deposit accounts. Speaker 300:11:39And I think you kind of nailed the forward NIM expectation as well, right? That is that's going to be kind of entirely driven by how that performance about how that migration happens throughout the year. So we in our modeling right with our guidance that kind of that implies some decrease from Q1 into Q2, continued moderation in Q3 and continued moderation in Q4. So that's kind of what the basis for our NIM guidance is. And then as it relates to deposit gathering initiatives, I think we're really continue to be focused on generating net new checking accounts is really where the focus is. Speaker 300:12:29We have our securities portfolio continues to run off. We're going to continue to do that. So our need to grow deposits is moderated a little bit because of that. And with our loan growth guidance in sort of the low single digit area, the need to really be hyper competitive and go out and gather new money market accounts or newer CDs and things like that. It's kind of, I would say, we have moderate need for those things. Speaker 300:13:02So we're really focused on net new checking accounts. And then the second part of that in terms of deposits really comes down to our relationships, right? And so we want to make sure that we continue to be there for our customers in the ways that they need us to be. So to the extent that there are more deposit customers that have some rate sensitivity, we will respond to that with them. And to the extent that we can gather more non interest bearing deposits, obviously, we'd like that as well. Speaker 200:13:37And Dave, this is Bob. Maybe just to add to Jamie's comments, which are spot on is just remember from the call last quarter last quarter's call that this year we have about $1,500,000,000 of fixed rate loans rolling over and $600,000,000 of securities. So that's what's really helping drive that NIM expansion throughout the year. You can't exactly predict what's going to happen with deposits to Jamie's point, but that we do know that those will reset and the securities will mature. Speaker 500:14:11And that kind of feeds right into my next question. That's a really good point. And you guys are look, you're naturally rate sensitive just given the strength of your deposit base, right? And you've been active managing the balance sheet with the securities book and all that. I'm curious, how do you think about managing the balance sheet today, right? Speaker 500:14:32The rate outlook continues to change pretty rapidly. One second, everybody's worried about rate cuts. And now we're talking about a higher for longer environment. But I'm just curious, how do you think about managing the balance sheet at this point, just kind of given that uncertainty on the rate front And anything that you guys are considering at this point? Speaker 300:14:54It's a great question, Dave. I think the way that I'm kind of thinking about it right now is that we have this securities portfolio. It's yielding $230,000,000 or somewhere in that neighborhood. On the margins, we're funding that with 5% higher cost deposits. And so at the moment, I'm kind of we're kind of waiting biding our time, I would say, right? Speaker 300:15:18We're kind of just managing through that natural grind. We have we feel really good about the cash flows off that portfolio. They were structured in such a way so that it wouldn't extend or contract too much given a different rate environment. So what we're really focused on is helping our customers, being there for our customers to the extent that there's loan growth opportunities with our customers. We want to be there for that. Speaker 300:15:46And in the meantime, really thinking about the overall balance sheet kind of on the margins and the securities portfolio that's going to continue to run off. And we will fill in the gaps where we need on the funding side with public time deposits if that's required. So I don't we're not really thinking about hedging anything at this point. We feel pretty good about where we're at. Even at a down rate scenario, say 100 basis points down, 200 basis points down, that's still a net positive action with replacing securities portfolio and running off the time deposits. Speaker 300:16:32So we also have an FHLB borrowing that is going to mature in the 3rd quarter. So there's a lot of sort of moving parts there. But at the moment, I think we're comfortable with the balance sheet. We like the way we're doing it. As you say, rate outlooks change intraday even today, right? Speaker 300:16:52So we're really trying to just be focused on our customers and just grinding through this sort of odd mix at the moment with the securities portfolio and the marginal higher cost of funds. Speaker 500:17:07That's extremely helpful. Could you remind us the size of that upcoming maturity and the rate on it? Speaker 300:17:13The FHLB, it's $500,000,000 It's going to mature in September September 1. September 1. And it is I think it's at a $4.90 rate. Speaker 500:17:24Okay. Perfect. And then just last one for me. Look, you guys touched on credit broadly and you feel like you're well covered, talked about some downgrades that you saw in the book. I mean, non accruals held steady and it's benign. Speaker 500:17:37Talked about some downgrades. I was curious what drove those and maybe just your thoughts more broadly on credit, what you're seeing, what you're watching closely and just any thoughts even on CRE just kind of given the market type or focus on that segment? Speaker 200:17:53Dave, this is Bob. I'll start maybe and hand it over to Lee. It's a really interesting quarter other than a handful of downgrades that she can speak to better really across the board. We stayed the same or got better on every other metric for delinquencies for NPAs, etcetera. So we aren't seeing any signs. Speaker 200:18:13It's something we pride ourselves on as being very thoughtful about supporting borrowers and making sure that they can they have the ability to pay us back. But it's not unusual for this part of the cycle to see a little bit of weakness in a handful of names. So with that, Dave, I'll hand it over to Tilly. Speaker 400:18:31I don't really have much to add other than our metrics our delinquency metrics are started at a very low base. So it doesn't take much for it to pop. And we're staying close to the borrowers that we think are a little bit under duress and we talk to them constantly. We understand what the projects are. We're actually quite comfortable even with that loan that we mentioned that we paid off. Speaker 400:19:05We actually were very comfortable with the loan. There are circumstances that require us to categorize it a certain way, but I think fundamentally the portfolio is actually quite strong. Speaker 500:19:19Okay. Terrific. Thanks everybody for all the color. Operator00:19:23And one moment for our next question. And our next question will be coming from Steven Alexopoulos of JPMorgan. Your line is open. Speaker 600:19:37Hi, everybody. Speaker 200:19:39Hi, Steve. Speaker 600:19:40I want to start so Jamie, you just indicated on the non interest bearing. I thought you said that trends moderated in March. I'm not sure exactly what you mean by that. Do you mean that you saw you still saw outflows in March, but not to the degree of January, February? And I say that because the period end non interest bearing deposit balances were I think it was $200,000,000 or so below the average. Speaker 600:20:05So your period end was down fairly materially. Speaker 300:20:11Yes. That's right. So I mean, I think the right way to think about it is most of that outflow happened in January February. And then in March, it was pretty much flat. Speaker 600:20:24It was flattish in March. Okay. Speaker 300:20:26Yes. Speaker 600:20:26Got it. And you're assuming flattish. Is that what you're assuming for the rest of the year? Speaker 300:20:31No. Actually, that 1 to 2 basis point guide would assume that, say, we were $500,000,000 down, say, in the Q1 that sort of moderates down to flat by the end of the year. Speaker 600:20:47Got it. Okay. Yes. What about the public time? What's your thinking on that for the rest of the year? Speaker 600:20:54Because those continue to come down too. Speaker 300:20:56Yes. That's I mean, we think that we're going to be able to bring that down in line with the size of the balance sheet. Hopefully, we have hopefully that non interest bearing moderation that we're talking about hopefully that slows down even more, which would allow us to pay even pay down more of those public time deposits. So at the moment, we think that's going to come down. Then there's going to be need for a little bit of funding in September with the FHLB borrowings. Speaker 300:21:28And so we'll kind of we're going to we'll manage that on sort of like what's best for us in terms of financials, right, around the rate on those things. So it's possible that the public time increases in Q3 with the pay down of the FHLBs or it's possible maybe we'll find some other borrowing source that maybe makes a little more sense economically for us at that time. So the public time really is going to be a function of the extent of the loan growth that we have and the other deposit either growth or declines that we have. Speaker 600:22:06Okay. That's helpful. And actually, I was going to ask on the loan growth. Quite a few banks were fairly optimistic with the pipeline. They didn't have a lot of growth this quarter, but they were more optimistic. Speaker 600:22:16What are you guys seeing on the pipeline? I'm talking more commercial C and I pipeline. Speaker 200:22:21Sure. Steve, this is Bob. So we expect flooring came down a little bit this quarter, not unusual to have it kind of pop up at year end and come down in Q1. So we think they'll have some strength to it. You're seeing production levels at much higher levels through most manufacturers, some of the foreign brands, in particular Toyota, has been challenged, although I'm sure they'll be catching up by year end. Speaker 200:22:48So that's one area. We are seeing still some deal flow from the commercial real estate side and in particular, deals that we put on a year ago that, of course, on the construction side, the equity money goes in first and then you start with the draws. And so we saw that strength in this quarter. We think there will continue to be some strength. And we're seeing slightly better pricing in the indirect world as well. Speaker 200:23:13And so we think decline in that portfolio will start to moderate, and we'll see where that goes. If it makes sense, we want to do that business, and it's good business. We know it extremely well. Just the economics for a while just didn't make sense for us. So I think really those areas, one area that we're not forecasting any real recovery in residential, we hope it gets better, but that's just a hope that's not a forecast. Speaker 200:23:38So we're going to just watch that and be there for our customers as needed, but hard to see a lot of uptick in residential in the back half of this year. Speaker 600:23:49Got it. Okay. And Bob, if I can ask one other one just on capital. You continue to accrete capital pretty nicely here. What do you think you go from a share buyback perspective, right? Speaker 600:24:01Because your credit quality overall is pristine and you're not using capital to grow the balance sheet. So it seems like you're just going to continue to accrete capital. How do you think about returning some of that to shareholders? Speaker 200:24:13And a great question, and we have the authorization to do that. I think the only thing we're looking at now, one, as we talked about previously, we want to kind of get through that uncertainty period of what happened a year ago with SVB and just a lot of questions out there in the market. So I feel that we're past that. So that's the good news. It's the most important thing. Speaker 200:24:33Our ratios across the board, not just common equity Tier 1, but all the other ratios have improved to a point where that's off the table in, I think, most people's minds. And then the second one is there is a remixing, and this is what we're watching as we remix the balance sheet out of securities and into loans, obviously, a much higher capital weight going up from 20% to 100%. So it really is looking at that. And then if not this quarter, certainly the back half of the year, we'll be looking closely at that and decide when and if a share repurchase actually putting starting to do some share repurchase makes sense. But that is more likely in the back half of the year. Speaker 600:25:15Got it. So more to come. Okay. Thanks for taking my questions. Speaker 200:25:20You're welcome. Operator00:25:21And one moment for our next question. And our next question will be coming from Timur Braziler of Wells Fargo. Your line is open. Speaker 700:25:37Hi, good morning. Maybe circling back on just balance sheet size, so I guess your commentary on continued pay downs of the public funds? And then I guess with the FHLB borrowing that's coming due in September, is the expectation there or is it the willingness there to pay that off or roll that into new borrowings? And I guess just more broadly, is there an outcome where the balance sheet growth kind of in the next couple of quarters? Or do you really need to see some pickup on the lending activity before we should start to see the balance sheet actually expand? Speaker 300:26:20Yes. Hey, Timur, it's Jamie. I mean, I think the last comment you made is probably the right one there, right, which is the size of the balance sheet is really going to be mostly dependent upon what we do on the lending side. Feel pretty comfortable for the time being about the securities portfolio and the runoff associated with that. So, yes, I think the size of the balance sheet will be sort of dictated on the lending side because that cash flow is pretty certain on the security side. Speaker 300:26:56The other part to your question FHLB borrowings. So yes, so that there's a chance that we roll that over if needed in September. There's also other opportunities in either the public CD market or even in our retail CD market. So at that point, it's going to be kind of dependent upon the economics of what we see. Potentially, there are potential reasons to either roll that over or to do public time deposits at that time. Speaker 300:27:32So we'll think through that for sure. Speaker 700:27:39Okay, thanks. And then circling back on credit, it looks like a large portion of the increase in the criticized loan in the multifamily construction, and you have a footnote in here saying that it's centered around rental and for sale housing. I guess just maybe more broadly, what occurred in that portfolio and to what extent is the tourism kind of driving that result? Any kind of additional color you could provide there would be helpful. Speaker 200:28:10Yes, Timur, this is Bob. It's that loan in particular, and you'll see it on Page 16, is multifamily construction. It was a Mainland deal. It's a very strong sponsor. They stepped up to the plate and paid it off. Speaker 200:28:24And so that criticized portion there is 0 as of today, just to give you an idea. So more broadly in the portfolio, as we've looked at for deals we do on the mainland, we look first to the sponsor as well as the agent bank and make sure those 2 are people we want to work with. And not every deal works out exactly as you planned, and you just need to work through some of them. And that's what we did in this case. So more broadly, we're still very comfortable with the strategy. Speaker 200:28:53We're still very careful on which markets we go into, which sponsors we work with and which agent banks we want to partner with on that. Does that answer your question? Speaker 700:29:06That does, yes. And then maybe just a follow-up there. Just can you give us the geography that loan was in? And then maybe just some broader commentary about what you're seeing in the Mainland portfolio? Speaker 200:29:17Yes. That was in the California market. And again, those are the gateway cities we've been talking about for some time ever since we started the strategy. And that's why it is it was able to get refinanced and we got paid off just because of the strength of the project. And even there's some weakness in some of those markets, but you have to be very specific about even within some of those gateway cities exactly where you're doing the deal and where the deal is being done. Speaker 200:29:46And even the submarkets are all very important. And building that expertise and being able to execute on that is really what drives a lot of the credit quality as well. Speaker 700:29:59Great. Thanks for the questions. Operator00:30:03And one moment for our next question. And our next question will be coming from Jared Shaw of Barclays. Jared, your line is open. Speaker 800:30:16Hey, good morning. Thanks. Maybe just first on Maui, what's the remaining expected insurance benefit or payment from outstanding claims? Or is that all tied up with what we saw this quarter? Speaker 300:30:37So, yes, so just to be very clear about what that insurance benefit was, that was insurance on our building, on our branch that burned down. And so we had that was that insurance claim for this quarter from us. And then on the deposit side, that were that was claims that came into that was claims money that came into the bank that got paid out in the quarter to recipients. So just want to clarify those two comments. And then if that didn't address your question, then maybe if you could ask it again that we can that either Lee or Bob can handle. Speaker 800:31:19Yes, yes. I think that's it. So that $2,000,000 that you called out for the branch, there's really no other FHB claims outstanding then is the way to think of it? Speaker 400:31:32There will be once we start the actual rebuild on the Speaker 100:31:36branch. Okay. Speaker 200:31:37That will be farther out. So but that's kind of the initial and then as time goes by and it's hard to determine when that will happen or specifically the amount at this point in time. Speaker 800:31:51Okay. All right. Thanks. And then my follow-up, there's a competitor bank that's been in the news lately with a parent that's struggling a little bit. What's your or do you have any thoughts on how that could impact the market? Speaker 800:32:08Is that an opportunity for you to either take market share or protect market share? And would you envision a situation where potentially a new competitor would come on to the islands and be in the market? Or do you think that disposition there would likely involve Hawaii Banks? Speaker 200:32:34Yes, Jared, that's we prefer not to speculate on that and that's very much kind of just wait and see how that plays out. Speaker 600:32:44Okay. Speaker 200:32:45I don't have any comment on that one. Speaker 800:32:47Okay. All right. Thanks. Operator00:32:50And one moment for our next question. Our next question will be coming from Andrew Liesch of Piper Sandler. Andrew, your line is open. Speaker 300:33:02Thanks. Hey, everyone. Just one quick question for me. You've covered everything else. The do you have the balance of shared national credits and how is the credit quality performing in those right now? Speaker 400:33:16So we do have the balance of shared national credits. So we actually sorry, we actually divide the portfolio up into credit only versus non credit only. So the outstanding balance on the credit only SNCs at the end of the quarter was 324,000,000 dollars And how is the credit quality standing up? There's been some weakness admittedly, but we do have expectations for resolutions on those. None of them are on non accrual or anything. Speaker 400:33:53They're just incorporated into our table on Slide 15. Speaker 200:34:00Got it. Did that answer your question or? Speaker 300:34:03Yes, absolutely. No, really helpful. And thanks. So you've covered everything else. I'll step back. Speaker 300:34:09Great. Speaker 200:34:10Yes, just a little broader context maybe because obviously the portfolio is much larger and we kind of we have different cuts on it. The first cut is Hawaii based shared national credit versus mainland based shared national credits. And then within the mainland based shared national credit is the ones that really have a presence here in Hawaii that we have a broader relationship with. And there are some that deploy some of our excess capital liquidity where credit only as we call it. And that's what Lee was referring to. Speaker 700:34:46Got it. Thank you. Operator00:34:49And one moment for our next question. And our next question will be coming from Kelly Motta of KBW. Your line is open. Speaker 900:35:00Hi, thanks so much for the question. I apologize I dropped off the call. So I apologize if this has been asked already. But in the quarter, there was quite a nice uptick in loan yields. I'm wondering, your release did call out a 3 basis point impact, sort of one time benefit in margin. Speaker 900:35:25Just wondering if there is any of that in the loan yields, if maybe there is non accrual recoveries or anything that would be helpful when to consider when modeling the margin as we look ahead? Speaker 300:35:42Yes. Thanks, Kelly. It's Jamie. That was that 3 basis points that was on the loan side of things, in particular, was in the residential mortgage bucket. And it was related to kind of like timing differences, I would say, in deferral take ups related to Maui. Speaker 300:36:01And so we kind of had some catch up interest that happened in Q1 that was about $1,500,000 So that was like a non recurring piece of that in Q1. Speaker 900:36:12Got it. That's helpful. I'm going to I'll step back. Thank you so much. Speaker 200:36:15Yes. Operator00:36:18And I would now like to turn the conference back to Kevin Hasayama for closing remarks. Speaker 100:36:23Thank you, Tanya. We appreciate your interest in First Hawaiian. Please feel free to contact me if you have any additional questions. Thanks again for joining us and have a good weekend. Operator00:36:34And this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.Read morePowered by