E2open Parent Q4 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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April 29, 2024

There are 12 speakers on the call.

Operator

Greetings. Welcome to the E2 Open 4th Quarter and Fiscal Year 20 24 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. Please note this conference is being recorded.

Operator

I will now turn the conference over to your host, Dusty Beaul. You may begin.

Speaker 1

Good afternoon, everyone. At this time, I would like to welcome you all to the E2 Open fiscal 4th quarter and full year 2024 earnings conference call. I am Dusty Beal, Head of Investor Relations here at E2 Open. Today's call will include recorded comments from our Chief Executive Officer, Andrew Appel our Chief Commercial Officer, Greg Randolph and our Chief Financial Officer, Marie Armstrong. Following those comments, we'll open the call for a live Q and A session.

Speaker 1

A replay and transcript of this call will be available on the company's Investor Relations website at investors. E2open.com. Information to access this replay is listed in today's press release, which is also available on our Investor Relations website. Before we begin, I'd like to remind everyone that during today's call, we will be making forward looking statements regarding future events and financial performance, including guidance for our fiscal Q1 and full year 2025. These forward looking statements are subject to known and unknown risks and uncertainties.

Speaker 1

E2 Open cautions that these statements are not guarantees of future performance. We encourage you to review our most recent reports, including our 10 ks or any applicable amendments for a complete discussion of these factors and other risks that may affect our future results or the market price of our stock. And finally, we are not obligating ourselves to revise our results or these forward looking statements in light of new information or future events. Also, during today's call, we'll refer to certain non GAAP financial measures. Reconciliations of non GAAP to GAAP measures and certain additional information are included in today's earnings press release, which can be viewed and downloaded from our Investor Relations website at investors.

Speaker 1

E2open.com. And with that, we'll begin by turning the call over to our CEO, Andrew Appel.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Dusty, and thanks to everyone for joining today's call. I'll begin with some thoughts on the state of the business and our strategy for returning E2 Open to strong sustainable organic growth. I'll then ask Greg to update you on the work he is leading in our commercial organization. And finally, Marie will review our fiscal 4th quarter and full year 'twenty four financial results and provide our fiscal 'twenty five guidance. Then we will open up the call to questions.

Speaker 2

Overall, our revenue results for the fiscal 4th quarter were solid and in line with expectations we have previously shared with you. And we continue to perform well on profitability and cash flow. I'm pleased to say that the company has shown improved operational execution in a number of key areas, including client engagement and sales conversion. And importantly, we've made progress implementing our plan to reaccelerate organic growth that we previewed on last quarter's call. We are on the right track.

Speaker 2

And during the quarter, we saw tangible evidence of this in key areas. While we still have work to do over the coming quarters, we have identified the key issues and I'm confident we can address them in a reasonable timeframe. As we move forward, we have many reasons for optimism. Global supply chain volatility is providing a strong tailwind of demand for our highly differentiated supply chain solutions. This provides an attractive market opportunity for E2 Open, which we are well positioned to capture.

Speaker 2

We have the privilege of working with the world's largest and most important companies on activities that are absolutely core to their operations, how they make, move and sell their products. We are long term partners to these industry leaders as they transform their supply chains to increase visibility, flexibility and efficiency. Our mission is clear, to use our platform to deliver enduring value and measurable impact to our clients. To put it simply, our client success determines our success. What enables E2 Open to serve our clients with distinction is our broad software capabilities accessible through a single interface, powered by the industry's largest partner network and robust applications spanning the entire supply chain.

Speaker 2

Uniquely in our industry, our platform links complex channel management to demand and supply planning and integrates those activities with multimode logistics and multi tier manufacturing. And we do this collaboratively in real time across a diverse set of channels, distributors, retailers, suppliers, logistics service providers, and trade and customs agencies. Industry analysts consistently recognize the strength of our software. In December, E2 Open was selected as a leader for the 3rd consecutive time by IDC in the category of multi enterprise supply chain commerce network providers. And in April, E2 Open's cloud based multi tenant transportation management solution was again named the leader by Gartner.

Speaker 2

Our leadership is also apparent from the prominent role our platform plays in powering global supply chains. For years, E2 Open's products have been deeply embedded across the Fortune 1,000 universe of companies that carry out a large share of global commerce. Here are just a few of the metrics to illustrate this point. Our platform now has 480,000 connected parties and processes 16,000,000,000 supply chain transactions annually. Our logistics ecosystem handles 21% of all ocean freight bookings.

Speaker 2

Our global trade solution provides trade compliance and import export capabilities in 2 30 global jurisdictions and performed 67,000,000,000 annual restricted party screenings. Our channel applications manage $14,000,000,000 of incentive payments a year for more than 1,000,000 connected channel partners and resellers. And our supplier collaboration software enables 155,000,000 annual orders and 59,000,000 annual shipments across multiple tiers of our customers' extended supply networks. Given the scale of E2 Open's impact, it is clear why our platform is so well regarded. But as a CEO is passionate about client relationships, I believe the highest recognition is when a major global company selects us to provide mission critical software.

Speaker 2

In the Q4, we once again closed several large subscription deals with major companies in diverse areas such as consumer goods manufacturing, retail, electronic component distribution and healthcare. These wins often, if not always, in highly competitive situations validate the strength and the uniqueness of our portfolio and the dedication of our people. They show that the world's leading companies continue to trust E2 Open to lead complex supply chain projects and deliver unmatched operational impact and value. And they demonstrate that when we go to market with distinctive solutions backed by a client centric impactor and selling approach, we make it very difficult for a customer not to select E2 Open. For my entire career, I have made client centricity a top priority and I have brought the same approach to E2 Open.

Speaker 2

Just last week, I took part in E2 Open's annual Connect Europe event in Amsterdam along with 175 of our most important clients and partners. During the 3 day event, I attended customer led sessions that highlighted the pivotal role of E2 Open Software in addressing complex supply chain needs at some of the world's leading companies. I had the privilege of meeting with 7 or 8 of our larger clients and implementations in progress and I was pleased to come back with a view that we're doing distinctive work that we're talking about impact and value and that we're on track to deliver some terrific solutions and extend those relationships. In fact, in conversations I have had with dozens of clients since becoming E2 Open's Interim CEO 7 months ago, what stands out most is the unique and distinctive value our products deliver. In large part, this is what convinced me to accept the permanent CEO role in March of this year.

Speaker 2

For example, multiple customers of our planning solution have achieved a 30% reduction in inventory related working capital costs. A major consumer goods client has used our global trade application to increase its utilization of free trade agreements by 600%. While a global parcel carrier uses this application to fully automate customs filings in 22 countries on a single interface. A leading transportation company using our logistics applications has reduced in process shipment times by more than a third. And an iconic technology supplier using our supply solution has reduced expedite costs when fulfilling customer orders by 11 percent.

Speaker 2

Clearly, E2 Open is a highly valued partner to companies that use our products. Communicating this distinctive value clearly and delivering it consistently in everything we do are the themes that I will personally drive as CEO. Meanwhile, we will continue to invest in our long term product vision. Just last week, we announced our 1st major product launch in fiscal 2025, which is a new supplier network discovery capability within our supply family of applications. In addition, each quarter we roll out new features across our platform, which we have done for 6 years.

Speaker 2

Following a predictable time table of delivering innovations is highly valued by our clients. Our Global Trade Management solution is a prime example of this. E2Open's global trade solution combines a best in class application with the industry's most complete proprietary trade content database. And our worldwide staff of over 200 personnel monitors trade rules across 230 global trade jurisdictions and updates our global knowledge repository for any changes. This combination of an application and data is a major differentiator for E2 Open.

Speaker 2

And in the volatile arena of global trade, real time data empowers our customers to take full advantage of free trade agreements and duty savings programs and stay compliant with ever stricter rules around forced labor, sanctions and dual use controls. Finally, I want to emphasize the importance of returning E2 Open to best in class retention levels. We ended fiscal 'twenty four with gross retention of approximately 90% and net retention of approximately 99%, which are down from a year ago. However, our in-depth analysis of the higher churn we experienced in fiscal 2024, which I have personally led, has shown that much of this is very controllable with tried and true management processes that we are quickly putting in place. Just in the last quarter, we have made progress in stabilizing churn and now have significantly improved visibility into its trajectory moving forward.

Speaker 2

More broadly, the key to consistently high retention is instilling a client centric mindset across our entire company. We will do this in a variety of ways. We will exceed our clients' expectations on implementations. We will deliver unique and measurable value. We will build client relationships for the long term, and we will work closely with leading systems integrators and value added partners.

Speaker 2

With this approach, we can deliver transformational impact to our clients on every project, large or small. By putting clients first, every E2 Open engagement can result in a delighted, referenceable client willing to advocate for E2 Open, which will then help us win future business. In conclusion, while our growth acceleration plan touches many elements of our business, it is very achievable and has already generated positive results and momentum. We plan to build on our progress throughout fiscal 2025 with clients at the core of everything we do. Delivering client value with differentiated and distinctive solutions has been the cornerstone of the successful growth efforts that I've led at other major companies and I am confident that this approach will return E2 Open to the double digit organic growth rates that the company enjoyed just a few years ago.

Speaker 2

While we still have work to do, we are moving in the right direction and the changes we have made to our business are laying the groundwork for success that will ultimately benefit our employees, our customers and our shareholders. I'll now ask Brad to provide an update on our go to market activities.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Andrew. During our fiscal Q4, we continue to execute our organic growth playbook. Our entire commercial organization is now aligned on putting our customers first and building long term value added relationships with them. We also continue to bring in new experienced talent. I'm very excited that Steve Baird has joined E2 Open as North America Sector President reporting directly to me.

Speaker 3

Steve has an impressive background leading high performance sales organizations and delivering ARR growth at software firms such as SAP, Aptio and PTC. He has a proven track record as a transformational sales executive and is a fantastic addition to our commercial leadership team. I'm equally pleased to announce that Mark Nordik has joined E2 Open as our new SVP of Global Services reporting directly to me. Mark will lead our Professional Services business bringing over 25 years of experience in leadership roles at Blue Yonder and IBM. Mark has successfully built and led high performance global teams in large and midsize SaaS and consulting services organizations in multiple regions of the world.

Speaker 3

I'm confident he is the right leader to make our PS organization a strategic differentiator for E2 Open. My initial focus at E2 Open was to quickly put in place key elements of a high performing sales organization ranging from new leadership to effective sales enablement and then establish a disciplined operational cadence to improve near term sales execution. These efforts are already producing results. In Q4, as we did in Q3, we drove in quarter deal conversion rates at a much higher level than the first half of FY twenty twenty four and won important deals across multiple product families with new and existing clients. With these basic building blocks in place, we are now pivoting to more targeted changes to our go to market model designed to position E2 Open for higher future growth.

Speaker 3

A cornerstone of this effort is ensuring that our sales capacity and talent are optimally aligned to our highest growth opportunities. Specifically, we are creating account focused teams that are solely responsible for maximizing satisfaction and retention within our existing client base. These farmer teams will build the long term client partnerships that are vital for a cross sell focused growth strategy. In parallel, we are forming product specialized hunter teams. These teams will consist of highly skilled experienced sellers and will be responsible for driving product level growth in both new logo and existing client accounts.

Speaker 3

As we implement this new commercial alignment, our primary measure of success will be acceleration in bookings and returning retention to world class levels. To this end, we are executing a variety of proactive tailored measures in 3 critical areas, namely cross selling our existing client base, leveraging our system integrator partners and expanding our new logo business. Given our large existing customer base, cross selling is a critical growth vector for E2 Open that we are now pursuing in a far more systematic fashion than in the past. Our product team has led a deep dive into this opportunity, focusing on industry and product specific areas where we have deep successful penetration with key clients. We then use these insights to identify and quantify by size and product line similar use cases with existing clients that present strong opportunities for cross sell.

Speaker 3

Based on this work, we now have detailed visibility into $2,000,000,000 of cross sell opportunities with our current client base. And in addition, we have identified another 500 accounts with very modest solution penetration, low ARR, but significant upside potential. We are rolling out targeted product level campaigns to aggressively cross sell in both areas. We expect this to be a major source of future growth for E2 Open. To illustrate the power of well executed cross sell, I would cite the example of a current client, one of the world's largest contract manufacturers and the user of E2 Open supply applications.

Speaker 3

This client recently selected E2 Open's Global Logistics Orchestration or GLO solution to be the next stage in their supply chain journey. GLO uses real time visibility into multimodal shipments to identify unexpected events and provide tools to resolve them by orchestrating corrective actions. We achieved this important cross sell win by positioning E2 Open as a long term partner with industry leading solutions that met the client's immediate and future needs. To further enhance our growth capabilities in the Q4, we realigned E2 Open's marketing function, which has top of the funnel sales pipeline responsibility to report directly into the commercial organization under my leadership. This move will ensure that we have consistent inflow of new high quality prospects.

Speaker 3

We've also scrubbed our sales pipeline of early stage deals not meeting stringent criteria for strategic fit and win probability. With this result oriented approach to pipeline management, our pipeline is now moving in the right direction. By combining a growing high quality pipeline with the improved conversion rates we've already achieved, we now have the foundation in place to accelerate future growth. Another promising growth vector for E2 Open is proactive collaboration with systems integrators. Andrew and I have worked together closely to forge strong go to market partnerships with select SIs.

Speaker 3

The goal is to jointly identify clients with supply chain needs that match well with E2 Open's product offerings and then bring in our sales teams to co sell alongside the SI account team. This approach is working well. Our pipeline of SI related projects increased materially in the back half of FY twenty twenty four and the services pipeline of our SI partners has grown as well. This is evidence that our SI strategy can become a major contributor to our future revenue growth. We are also taking targeted steps to grow our new logo business.

Speaker 3

In recent years, competition for new logo deals has been weighted toward point procurement of planning and transportation solutions. However, customers are recognizing the limitations inherent in standalone disconnected point applications that did not support multimode, multi tier collaboration across increasingly complex supply chains. This trend plays well to E2 Open's strengths and we are running specific sales and marketing plays to capitalize on it. We recently scored our 1st major success by winning a highly competitive new logo deal in the planning space. The new client, a well known consumer electronics supplier evaluated E2 Open's planning application very highly.

Speaker 3

But the key to closing the deal was E2 Open's unique ability to link planning and supply collaboration, a critical element of the client's supply chain vision. Finally, I want to provide some commentary around churn. While our large customer retention metrics remain healthy, we have seen elevated churn within our long tail of smaller contracts. We are now implementing a detailed account by account plan to stabilize churn and improve retention. This is a top priority in the commercial team's weekly operational cadence and we are seeing positive signs of progress.

Speaker 3

For example, over the last two quarters, we had several at risk renewals where as a result of proactive engagement with the client, we turn potential down sell into successful up sells. In one case tripling the ARR value. These success stories show that we can bend the curve on retention by driving a culture of long term partnerships with our clients and instilling the operational discipline for early engagement on renewals. In summary, I'm very proud of the way that our commercial organization has embraced the growth oriented client centric changes that we have made over the last 6 months. We have a clear view of what we need to do to return E2 Open to double digit growth rates and we expect to drive improved performance as we move through FY 2025, laying the foundation for a return to accelerating growth in FY 2020 6 and beyond.

Speaker 3

At this time, I'll turn the call over to Marie for a discussion of our financial results and guidance.

Speaker 4

Thank you, Greg. Today, I will review our fiscal Q4 and full year 2024 results and then close with a discussion of our FY 2025 guidance. But first, I want to express my sincere thanks to all E2 Open employees for the dedication and energy you've shown this fiscal year. While this has clearly been a year of transition, I know that you all share my enthusiasm for the positive changes we're making at E2 Open. By continuing to move us 1, we can realize our company's tremendous potential and also have a fantastic team experience along the way.

Speaker 4

So thank you all. Now turning to results. Subscription revenue in the fiscal Q4 2024 was $134,400,000 above the high end of our $131,000,000 to $134,000,000 guidance. While this represented a 1.8% decline on a year over year basis, subscription revenue increased sequentially for the first time in 4 quarters. As Andrew noted, we also closed several large subscription deals during Q4, following up on the improved bookings quarter we had in Q3.

Speaker 4

This marks 2 quarters in a row of improved in quarter deal conversions as compared to the first half of FY twenty twenty four and is a positive sign that the growth oriented changes we have made at E2 Open are on track and generating momentum. I would note that in line with our expectations, Q4 revenue was negatively impacted by elevated churn. As Greg and Andrew outlined, we have made progress on stabilizing churn, and we're confident in our roadmap to return retention to normal historical levels as we get through this year. For full fiscal year 2024, subscription revenue was $536,800,000 and grew 0.7%. Full year growth performance reflected each Open's ongoing transition from an M and A focused company to 1 with strong, consistent organic growth.

Speaker 4

We now have new commercial leadership with relevant experience to undertake a comprehensive growth reacceleration plan in close collaboration with our long standing product and R and D teams. We see this plan as very achievable given our attractive TAM, large existing customer white space, focused SaaS strategy and significant opportunity for new logo business. Professional services and other revenue in the fiscal Q4 was $24,100,000 reflecting a decline of 18.0%. Sequentially, PS revenue was down slightly. But as a reminder, the 4th quarter has fewer workable service hours due to holiday.

Speaker 4

Our PS business saw improved bookings in Q4 following a good Q3 performance, and the business ended the fiscal year with higher backlog. Overall, the organizational changes we have made to our PS business have led to better sales execution and stronger collaboration with a broader commercial team. These improvements provide a solid foundation for our new PS leader to build on during FY 'twenty five and beyond. Given the progress we've made, we now believe we have reversed the sharp decline in our services business and that it will return to modest revenue growth in FY 2025. Total revenue for the fiscal Q4 was $158,500,000 reflecting a decline of 4.7% over the prior year quarter.

Speaker 4

For full fiscal year 2024, total revenue was $634,600,000 reflecting a decline of 2.7% year over year. Turning to gross profit. In the fiscal Q4 of 2024, our non GAAP gross profit was $110,900,000 reflecting a 4.9 percent decline year over year. Non GAAP gross margin was 70.0% in the 4th quarter compared to 70.2% in the prior year quarter. Non GAAP gross margin for full fiscal year 2024 was 69.4% compared to 68.7% for the prior year.

Speaker 4

The improvement in full year gross margin even in a year where our revenue performance was well below our potential was driven by a higher mix of subscription versus PS revenue as well as proactive efforts to drive operational efficiency. Turning to EBITDA. Our 4th quarter EBITDA was $55,100,000 on a 34.8% margin compared to $61,200,000 on a 36.8% margin in the prior year quarter. For full fiscal year 2024, adjusted EBITDA was $220,300,000 compared to $217,100,000 versus the prior fiscal year, an increase of 1.5%. Adjusted EBITDA margin for the full fiscal 2024 was 34.7%, up from 33.3% in the prior fiscal year, as we remained focused on our commitment to operational efficiency and profitability.

Speaker 4

Finishing up on profitability, net loss Q4 of 2024 was $45,500,000 and full fiscal year 2024 net loss was $1,200,000,000 The full year net loss figure included non cash goodwill impairment of $1,100,000,000 that reflected charges we took earlier in the year. Now turning to cash flow. During the fiscal Q4 and full 2024 fiscal year, we generated 36,900,000 dollars 116,000,000 of adjusted operating cash flow, respectively. We view strong consistent cash flow as a key performance metric and as an important indicator of our financial strength, and so we're pleased with our fiscal year cash generation and our rising level of cash conversion. As a result of this year's strong cash performance, we ended FY 2024 with $134,500,000 of cash and cash equivalents.

Speaker 4

This represents a year over year increase of $41,500,000 even with the impact of certain non recurring cash costs during the fiscal year. This completes my remarks on our fiscal Q4 and full year FY 'twenty four financial results. At this point, I'd like to introduce our FY 'twenty five and Q1 fiscal guidance and provide our thoughts around key drivers of our forecasted performance. We expect FY 2025 subscription revenue in the range of $532,000,000 to $542,000,000 representing year over year growth of 1% at the high end and a decline of 1% at the low end. In terms of key performance drivers, we expect bookings momentum to build as we move through FY 2025 with the revenue impact becoming stronger in the second half of the year.

Speaker 4

In addition, given the timing of previous customer retention decisions, we churn to remain elevated in early FY 2025, but to improve steadily after mid year given all the actions we're taking now. Together, these FY 2025 trends should position the business well as we exit the fiscal year for higher subscription revenue growth going forward. For the Q1 of FY 2025, we expect subscription revenue in the range of $130,000,000 to $133,000,000 representing a decline of 3.6 percent to 1.4% as compared to the prior year fiscal Q1. The Q1 growth rate is consistent with the earlier comments around the timing impacts of our FY 'twenty five performance drivers. We expect FY 2025 total revenue to be within the range of $630,000,000 to $645,000,000 in FY 2025, representing year over year growth of 2.0% at the high end and a decline of 1.0% at the low end.

Speaker 4

Our total revenue forecast includes our professional services business. We expect our PS business to build on improved bookings over the last two quarters and higher backlog by generating mid single digit revenue growth in FY 2025 back towards the PS business' prior baseline. We expect FY 2025 gross profit margin to be within a range of 68% to 70%. The midpoint of this range is roughly flat to what we achieved last year. Overall, our gross margin targets for the new fiscal year reflect the strong underlying fundamentals of our core subscription software business.

Speaker 4

Finishing up on profitability, we expect FY 2025 adjusted EBITDA to be within the range of $215,000,000 to 225,000,000 dollars This represents growth of 2.0 percent at the high end and a decline of 2.0% at the low end and implies an adjusted EBITDA margin of 34% to 35 percent for FY 2025. This is consistent with last year's performance and reflects our commitment to maintain profitability as we do the work necessary to reaccelerate growth. We will continue to focus on driving operational efficiencies in order to free up resources for investment in client focused areas such as product innovation, flawless implementation, customer experience and sales productivity. Given the importance we place in generating strong cash flow, I want to provide some comments around our FY 'twenty five cash generation expectations. Overall, we expect adjusted operating cash flow to grow in FY 'twenty five as compared to FY 'twenty four.

Speaker 4

Couple of cash flow drivers to consider. We expect CapEx to be at approximately 5% of revenue in FY 'twenty five, consistent with prior year. We plan to drive working capital improvements and expect FY 2025 working capital to be a modest use of cash. Cash interest expense net of interest income and the impact of our interest rate collars is expected to be in the range of $90,000,000 to 95,000,000 dollars This outlook assumes that SOFR follows the current forward curve that we meet our internal forecast regarding investment of excess cash and that term loan repayments are limited to required amortization of around $2,700,000 per quarter. Finally, we expect nonrecurring cash costs in FY 'twenty five to decline significantly as compared to prior year.

Speaker 4

Based on our guidance for FY 'twenty five adjusted EBITDA as well as our outlook for cash generation during the fiscal year, we now expect year end FY 'twenty five net leverage to be below 4x. In conclusion, FY 'twenty four marked an important inflection point in E2 Open's transition from an M and A focused company to one that is positioned to deliver sustainable double digit organic growth. While our revenue performance this fiscal year was far below our potential, We delivered strong profitability and cash flow, again demonstrating the high quality of our underlying business model. Moreover, during FY 2024, we brought new experienced leadership into the company to support our teams in implementing a client centric plan to reaccelerate growth, building on the strength and industry experience of the long tenured talent across the organization. We showed clear signs of progress and momentum in the second half of the year.

Speaker 4

And as we make these growth oriented changes to our business, major customers continue to place their trust in E2open by selecting us for large, strategically important software engagements. We look forward to building on these successes in FY 2025 as we lay a strong foundation for E2 Open's return to double digit growth. Before closing, I want to acknowledge our announcement in March that E2 Open is conducting a strategic review. The review is proceeding as planned, but we will not comment further until doing so is appropriate. Meanwhile, I can assure you that our entire management team and experienced employee base are keenly focused on serving our customers and executing our growth plan.

Speaker 4

That concludes our prepared remarks. I want to thank everyone for joining us today, and we look forward to connecting with you as we proceed through the fiscal year. Operator, please open up the line and begin the Q and A session.

Operator

Thank you. At this time, we will be conducting a question and answer Our first question comes from Chris Quintero with Morgan Stanley. Please proceed.

Speaker 5

Hey, everyone. Thanks for taking our questions and great to be on the call with you today. I've got two questions. Andrew and Greg, you both have been on board for a few months now and clearly have prioritized and gone to better hold the churn. But I wanted to ask around the products that D2 Open has today.

Speaker 5

So from your perspective, what product areas are you leaning into and thinking gain meaningful market share in? And on the flip side, are there any that you are looking to deemphasize? And then second question, really great to hear about the new tailored measures for higher growth. Between the three that you outlined, where do you expect more of the growth to come from? Is it the cross selling, the SI partners or new logos?

Speaker 5

Greater color there would be really helpful. Thank you.

Speaker 3

Yes. Hey, Chris, great to hear from you. Yes, great questions. So on the first topic, our product platform, I've been at this now for 8 months with the company. And what I've told my team and the people that I'm recruiting into the organization is that this is a salesperson's dream to have the capabilities, the breadth of products that we have and the competitiveness with each product category that we take to market.

Speaker 3

We can literally win in each of our 5 key product families across multiple industries. And we have this vision of being an end to end supply chain provider and we have the products to back it up. And so it's an incredibly marketable platform, but we can go toe to toe and we've proven it. I make in my opening remarks that we can go toe to toe with the best point solution providers in the marketplace and win. So that quite frankly, every product category has strengths and we're able to drive growth with each of them.

Speaker 3

And if you think about the growth vectors, first of all, with our SI partnerships, we've really ramped up over the last 6 months and established a deeper relationship with those core partners. We're starting to see a significant improvement and momentum around pipeline and they're helping drive significant new logos. So that is certainly of all three of them, we're driving improvements and will contribute to growth. But the SI partnerships driving new logos has clearly been the most effective.

Speaker 5

Excellent. Thank you so much.

Operator

The next question comes from Adam Hajkes with Goldman Sachs. Please proceed.

Speaker 6

Great. Thanks for taking the questions. Andrew and Greg, I'm curious how you think about the path to normalized churn for the business. You mentioned that 90% was where you exited the year on gross retention. I think it's been 95% historically.

Speaker 6

Is it just a function of getting through a full renewal cycle with some of these at risk accounts being more proactive? Or are there more immediate ways you think you can improve here that the business was just missing before? I'm just curious if you think there's anything structural that makes this a bit more challenging based on the challenges of being in the longer tail of the business or if this is something that you can fully remediate through execution?

Speaker 2

Yes, I think the answer is pretty straightforward actually. I think we as I said in my intro, right, we need to become a client centric organization, become client centric then and get ahead of the cycle, let's call it. Maureen talked about or Greg talked about that the retention rates are lower for some of the long tail churn than the enterprise churn. But for the enterprise churn, it's just about basically being client centric. And there's I guess I'd say so there's nothing systemic.

Speaker 2

There's nothing I've looked at many, many, many situations. It is about just managing it more normally, I'd say.

Speaker 7

Just to add to that, to your question in terms of the long tail, it's a different approach. And Greg has also talked about really segmenting and the way we are structuring the go to market organization. And quite frankly customer care and all the support functions as well to look at the enterprise versus the long tail in a tailored way that should help us reduce churn for both cohorts in a very effective way.

Speaker 6

Okay. That's really useful. And then Greg and Marie, I'm curious how you think about investment in sales capacity and achieving some of the changes you mentioned around the go to market teams and the targeted SI investment. Is this all just a function of resource reallocation given the guidance here? And then, Greg, I'd be curious what sales attrition has looked like relative to history as some of these changes have been implemented and what you've had to do on the talent acquisition and retention side as part of this shift?

Speaker 6

Thanks.

Speaker 3

Yes. Thanks, Adam. We do not have essentially a capacity problem in sales. We have a productivity issue in sales. And we lack the number of quota carrying sellers hitting a reasonable attainment to drive the necessary productivity level that will sustain long term growth.

Speaker 3

And so that's why we've invested heavily in sales enablement. We've obviously top rated talent and we've set very clear performance standards for the sales organization and measuring those standards on a weekly basis. And so, yes, we do not need to invest in more sales capacity. I think the other piece is that you heard in my opening remarks, we are shifting reallocating capacity to highly specialized product sellers that focus both on new logo and cross sell to bring what I've experienced in the 8 months that I've been here is that when we are engaged with the right salespeople positioning the products with value. You heard Andrew in his remarks talk about the quantifiable business value.

Speaker 3

We were positioning those capabilities to get a lot of attention and tend to win a lot more than not. And so that's where we're focused.

Speaker 6

Okay. All really helpful. Thanks everyone.

Operator

The next question is from Taylor McGinnis with UBS. Please proceed.

Speaker 8

Yes. Hi. Thanks so much for taking my question. Maybe first one is just on the sales productivity piece. So could you maybe just given all the changes that you guys have made recently, can you give us an idea of what sales productivity has trended more recently?

Speaker 8

And I would imagine it's going to take some time to ramp the sales force. So when do you expect to see more stability in productivity and like a potential uptick that could materialize those?

Speaker 3

Yes. Hey, Taylor. Thanks for the question. Yes, I think, look, I've implemented an operating model that I did at the 2 previous companies that was very execution focused, that was data is data driven. And so we've got tremendous visibility into the metrics that we're measuring the business.

Speaker 3

And so if you look at the 2 key components that I'm driving super hard right now, number 1 is in quarter conversion. And we've seen measurable improvements in both Q3 and Q4 in our in quarter conversion rates. The second component is pipeline. And my philosophy has always been quality over quantity first. Clearly, pipeline sufficiency is important, but it should be first of all measured on the quality of the pipeline.

Speaker 3

So we went through a significant pipeline scrubbing process, and we saw pipeline decline to a certain extent. And we've been able to, through the initiatives that we rolled out in partnership with marketing, accelerate our pipeline. So we're seeing momentum in pipeline again, but it's highly inspected pipeline. So the notion is that our conversion rates will continue to improve.

Speaker 8

Great. Thanks so much. And then my second question is just and maybe this will be partly tied to what you just said. But if I look at the 1Q subscription rep guide, it implies a sequential decline after a sequential increase in 4Q and on the back of some of the improvements that you guys talked about. So can you just maybe touch on what's driving that, whether that's weakness in the macro, some of the sales productivity softness?

Speaker 8

And then as a follow-up, if we look at the full year rev guide, so it implies an acceleration throughout the year. So can you just provide some color on the level of NRR or churn that's embedded in that guide? Thanks.

Speaker 7

Yes, Taylor. Thanks for the question. So as Andrew and Greg already mentioned during the prepared remarks, our Q1 churn remains elevated due to the customer decisions made over a year ago and that's really what's impacting Q1. But again, as discussed at length here, we understand the issues and we've put in place very, very clear management practices to reduce it. That is just taking more than a quarter just given how long these decisions are made in advance.

Speaker 7

And that's really what you're seeing in terms of the guidance. And when you think about just the progress in executing our growth reacceleration plan, there are building blocks to it. And depending on the different metrics that we're vending, it takes some time to gain traction and specifically to show up in revenue. But when you look at really our as we talked about the conversion rates and in quarter conversion rates, pipeline growth, overall improved execution and really even some of the churn accounts that we've already impacted for near term, that's really what's giving us the confidence in the trajectory and really what's underlying the guidance.

Speaker 8

Great. Thank you so much.

Operator

Absolutely. Up next, we have Mark Schappel with Loop Capital Markets. Mark, please proceed.

Speaker 9

Hi. Thank you for taking my question. Greg, I appreciate the update and the color on the sales organization. On that front, sales turnover has been an issue at the company over the past 12 to 18 months. Could you just address the pace of sales turnover that you've seen over the last quarter?

Speaker 9

And maybe just discuss some plans you have with respect to keeping the churn low in the coming year?

Speaker 3

Yes. Hey, Mark. Thanks for the question. We've not seen retention issues, I should mean, attrition issues over the last 8 months since I've been here. In fact, we've rehired several people that left to greener pastures.

Speaker 3

And it's been really encouraging to see some of those folks come from the Darling kind of hip modern point solution providers come back to the organization because they see the opportunity and they see what's happening in the market. So now we are like any effectively managed sales organization. We have set very high performance standards. And so we are improving our overall quality of the sales organization through top rating. But we have not seen any attrition outside of the normal industry standards.

Speaker 9

Great. Thanks. And then building on an earlier question, Andrew, with respect to the various product groups, what product categories or groups did you see the most interest from customers during the quarter? Was it like TMS or Global Trade, Demand Sensing?

Speaker 2

Yes. So I would say when we look at like the portfolio of our products, whether it be on sales or churn, we don't really see a material variation across the products. So they're all equally in demand. We've looked at it very carefully. I think we take a client approach, not a product approach or I will that's where we're headed and heading.

Speaker 2

And in that capacity, we continue to see a lot of demand for a lot of the solutions that were we have in the portfolio.

Speaker 10

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Chad Bennett with Craig Hallum. Please proceed.

Speaker 10

Great. Thanks for taking my question. I'm just curious, I think you had a bullet point in your press release about the growth in the E2 Open network. And just curious on I don't think I've heard in the last couple of quarters of how you're thinking about potentially monetizing that network and what the opportunity could be there?

Speaker 2

Yes. I think I will I'll answer it a little broader than you asked, which is that I am a believer that when you have distinctive content or capabilities that you have to live in a we live in a very open, coopetition based world. So you can't expect every client to want to ask your distinctive content through your solution. And so, Pawan and I talk all the time about the fact that as we move forward, where we have distinctive content, e. G, the network, e.

Speaker 2

G. Our global trade business that we're going to be open to having it be sold by us through our front end or having it be sold somebody else through their front end as long as we get the value resident to the content. And I think that multi channel strategy is not dissimilar to the SI strategy in the sense that we partner with strategics to help them grow their business and help us grow our business. And that if there are situations where they can leverage our content to grow their business as long as we're properly compensated for the content, which is the bulk of the value, it really doesn't matter whether it's through the front end of Harmony or front end of whatever SI losses.

Speaker 9

Got it. And then maybe just I

Speaker 10

think maybe a different way of asking the prior question is just on maybe from a cross sell, upsell standpoint, not necessarily just a point product demand standpoint. Are there a couple of the products, 2 or 3 of the products or suites that maybe early in the pipeline rebuild you're seeing are naturally or should be cross sold or up sold more frequently and you're seeing early demand for 2 or 3 products that fit together?

Speaker 3

Yes. Thanks for the question, Chad. Look, our supplier multi tier supplier collaboration capabilities, as you know, are very distinctive in the market. And what we've noticed, when I joined the company, there was somewhat of a hesitation for the field sales force to go compete head to head on standalone planning deals. And what we realized when we started positioning the combination of planning and execution from a multi tier perspective that it was super clear that the market responded really well.

Speaker 3

So we've made a huge focus on taking that to market. I think the other piece is, as you think about just from a logistics perspective, we have the global trade capability in our transportation management system. We're seeing a unique opportunity to cross sell. If a TMS customer doesn't have global trade, obviously taking global trade to market and conversely a global trade customer that doesn't have TMS taking those combination solutions to market.

Speaker 11

Yes. Just to add to

Speaker 7

that, we talked about the sort of $2,000,000,000 white space analysis that we undertook as a company really led by our product team in close cooperation with our commercial and finance. And that kind of ties back to what Andrew said, which is we have a clear plan by industry, by product now in terms of how to reactivate the cross sell motion and really utilize our wide product portfolio instead of just focusing on a few products as well and sort of have a path to grow through all the products, especially making it very, very detailed through this $2,000,000,000 white space analysis that we now have and are really operationalizing and holding people accountable for internally.

Speaker 10

Got it. Great color. Thank you.

Operator

Up next is Andrew Obin with Bank of America. Please proceed.

Speaker 11

Hi, this is David Ridley Lane on for Andrew. Before the Blue Jay acquisition, E2 Open's gross retention was 95%. Is that the right goal for the company as it is today?

Speaker 7

I would just start and maybe Andrew can add some color on his vision. But I would say that the we don't provide specific guidance obviously on our retention metrics or anything like that. But we have stated we're committed to getting back to double digit top line growth. That will be by reducing churn as well as getting bookings back to our potential and where we were previously and above. But I would say that we have very detailed working plans, again, by cohort, by product, how to think about churn and retention.

Speaker 7

And the goal is to get it to well below where we historically were. And the overall client centric no churn mindset is really what I would say Andrew has brought to the table and is operationalizing throughout the organization. And I think it's really felt and the accountability is building all around. It's a very, very important driver for our growth going forward.

Speaker 2

Yes. I mean, look, the only thing I would add is having spent a lot of time looking at churn, My mindset is no client should ever want to churn. And the only logical reason they do is they either get bought or they disappear. Now the rest is under our own control. That's all.

Speaker 2

So what that means in terms of a number, I don't know. I just I've seen it. I've worked I led a company for 9 years, and basically, that's when we lost clients. They disappeared or they were bought. Wanted to Blue Moon.

Speaker 11

Got it. And then as a very quick follow-up, I guess, given your commentary on churn continuing to be elevated in the first half and then improving in the second, are you expecting full year churn to be about similar with last year because you were kind of seeing churn get worse as you went through fiscal 2024?

Speaker 7

Thank you for the question. As you know, we don't specifically report churn or guide to it, but I would say directionally how to think about it is that we plan to lower churn year over year when you're looking at this year.

Speaker 11

Okay. Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you. We have reached the end of the question and answer session. This concludes today's conference and you may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.

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