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ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast CF Industries EPS ResultsActual EPS$1.03Consensus EPS $1.47Beat/MissMissed by -$0.44One Year Ago EPS$2.85CF Industries Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$1.47 billionExpected Revenue$1.46 billionBeat/MissBeat by +$14.18 millionYoY Revenue Growth-26.90%CF Industries Announcement DetailsQuarterQ1 2024Date5/1/2024TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateThursday, May 2, 2024Conference Call Time10:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsCF Industries' Q3 2025 earnings is scheduled for Wednesday, October 29, 2025Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)SEC FilingEarnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by CF Industries Q1 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMay 2, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways CF generated $460 million adjusted EBITDA in Q1, with $445 million net cash from operations and ~$200 million free cash flow despite severe weather-related outages. Severe cold in January and unplanned downtime drove a $75 million increase in maintenance costs and reduced ammonia output by 160,000 tons, equating to ~275,000 tons of forgone urea production. CF expects its North American energy cost advantage to deliver strong margins and free cash flow for growth investments in clean ammonia and shareholder returns, with $2.2 billion remaining in its share repurchase program. Key clean energy projects are advancing, including near-term green ammonia commissioning, a 2025 CO₂ dehydration and compression unit at Donaldsonville to sequester up to 2 million tons/year, and multiple FEED studies for low-carbon ammonia capacity. Global nitrogen markets saw spring demand shift to UAN imports due to low inventories and production disruptions, while overall supply loosened and prices declined; CF maintains an attractive position on the low end of the global cost curve. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallCF Industries Q1 202400:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xThere are 13 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to CF Industries First Quarter of 2024. All participants will be in the listen only mode. I would now like to turn the presentation over to the host for today, Mr. Martin Jarosick with CF Investor Relations. Sir, please proceed. Speaker 100:00:40Good morning, and thanks for joining the CF Industries earnings conference call. With me today are Tony Will, CEO Chris Bone, Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer and Bert Frost, Executive Vice President of Sales, Market Development and Supply Chain. CF Industries reported its results for the Q1 of 2024 yesterday afternoon. On this call, we will review the results, discuss our outlook and then host a question and answer session. Statements made on this call and in the presentation on our website that are not historical facts are forward looking statements. Speaker 100:01:11These statements are not guarantees of future performance and involve risks, uncertainties and assumptions that are difficult to predict. Therefore, actual outcomes and results may differ materially from what is expressed or implied in any statements. More detailed information about factors that may affect our performance may be found in our filings with the SEC, which are available on our website. Also, you'll find reconciliations between GAAP and non GAAP measures in the press release and presentation posted on our website. Now let me introduce Tony Will, our President and CEO. Speaker 200:01:42Thanks, Martin, and good morning, everyone. Yesterday afternoon, we posted results for the Q1 of 2024 in which we generated adjusted EBITDA of $460,000,000 Our performance reflects a challenging quarter for our production network. Plant outages caused by severe cold in January as well as other unplanned downtime resulted in a significant loss of production and maintenance activity. Even with the production outages and associated expenses, our business generated strong cash flow for the quarter. Net cash from operations from the Q1 was $445,000,000 and free cash flow was approximately $200,000,000 Longer term, we expect the global energy cost structure to continue to provide a significant margin opportunities for our North American production network and for clean energy to provide a growth platform for the company. Speaker 200:02:34As a result, we expect to have significant free cash flow available to both invest in growth and return capital to shareholders. We remain focused on disciplined investments in clean energy that offer returns well above our cost of capital. These include decarbonization projects within our existing network and potential new low carbon ammonia capacity. We also remain committed to returning capital to shareholders through our dividend and share repurchases. In the Q1, we returned $445,000,000 including repurchasing 4,300,000 shares. Speaker 200:03:07We have approximately $2,200,000,000 remaining on our current share repurchase authorization, which we intend to complete by the end of next year. With that, let me turn it over to Bert, who'll discuss the global nitrogen market conditions in more detail. Speaker 300:03:21Bert? Thanks, Tony. The global nitrogen market has experienced rapidly changing dynamics throughout 2024, including in North America. The spring application season began earlier than normal in late February with demand for ammonia applications brought forward from the Q2 into the first. Poor weather at the end of March subsequently stalled field work and fertilizer purchases with the region now on a normal application and planting pace. Speaker 300:03:48Overall, we expect nitrogen demand in North America to be positive with approximately 91,000,000 acres of corn planted. Good soil moisture supports higher application rates than in previous years. And farm economics remain constructive, though weaker than the record highs from previous and recent years. We believe the spring ammonia season will see fewer tons of ammonia applied this year. However, total ammonia application volumes for the fertilizer year, which runs from July 2023 through June 2024 should be comparable to previous years given the strong fall ammonia season. Speaker 300:04:26As the pace of spring application season has normalized, the lineup for urea and UAN imports for the region has grown. These tons will be necessary to meet expected demand given low inventories in the region to start the year and production disruptions in January. Even with the imports, we expect that inventory in the North American nitrogen channel across all products will be low at the end of the season. This activity is occurring as the global nitrogen market supply position has loosened, leading to lower global prices than we saw earlier this year. Lower imports of urea to India, including the impact of lower volumes taken in the recent tender, lower than expected deferred demand in Europe and other countries and good production from the Arab Gulf and North Africa all played a role. Speaker 300:05:16We do not believe demand during the spring season in North America will result to length in the global nitrogen market by itself. As North America hits its traditional pricing reset in the summer, Brazil, India and China will provide the most important signals regarding the state of the market. We project that urea consumption and imports in Brazil will grow in 2024, maintaining that country's status as the world's largest importer of urea. India will remain a major importer of urea, though they have lower requirements today, reflecting their commitment to increase domestically produced urea. China continues to prioritize low fertilizer prices for their farmers with export restrictions playing a significant role in that effort. Speaker 300:06:01We expect China to export approximately 4,000,000 metric tons of urea this year, but actual volumes will depend on the timing and duration of when exports are allowed. Even with these sources of near term uncertainty, North American producers remain firmly positioned on the low end of the global cost curve. Forward energy curves continue to show spreads between North America and Europe, which is home to the industry's marginal high cost production remaining wider than historical averages. As a result, we expect attractive margin opportunities for our network in the near and longer term. With that, let me turn the call over to Chris. Speaker 400:06:39Thanks, Bert. For the Q1 of 2024, the company reported net earnings attributable to common stockholders of approximately $194,000,000 or $1.03 per diluted share. EBITDA was $488,000,000 and adjusted EBITDA was approximately $460,000,000 The production outages that we experienced earlier this year affected our results in 2 significant ways. Maintenance expenses were approximately $75,000,000 higher in the Q1 of 2024 compared to the Q1 of 2023. Additionally, we had approximately 160,000 fewer tons of ammonia available to upgrade in the quarter compared to the same quarter last year. Speaker 400:07:29This equates to approximately 275,000 tons of urea that we would otherwise have been able to produce and sell at higher margins. The production issues were contained to the Q1 and our network is operating at our typical high utilization rates today. We believe we currently project that gross ammonia production for 2024 will be approximately 9,800,000 tons, which reflects normal asset utilization rates moving forward. Our forecast for 2024 capital expenditures remains approximately $550,000,000 Capital expenditures were higher in the Q1 of 2024 compared to the Q1 of 2023, primarily due to a large planned turnaround event. We are making continued progress on our clean energy initiatives. Speaker 400:08:22Commissioning activities for our green ammonia project are nearing completion. We intend to purchase 45E compliant renewable energy certificates to pair with the startup of the electrolyzer to enable green ammonia production and maximize the value of the hydrogen production tax credit. Additionally, construction of the carbon dioxide dehydration and compression unit at Donaldsonville is progressing well. We believe it will be ready for start up in 2025, at which point our partner ExxonMobil will be able to begin transportation and permanent sequestration of up to 2,000,000 tons of CO2 from the facility per year. This will not only significantly reduce our carbon emissions but also enable low carbon ammonia production and generate substantial 45Q tax credits. Speaker 400:09:16Our evaluation of low carbon ammonia capacity growth continues with potential partners and off takers. We have made additional progress on our auto thermal reforming ammonia plant and flue gas capture FEED studies. These should be complete before the end of the year and will be an important component of our final investment decision. We continue to emphasize a disciplined approach based on the return profile of new capacity, the technologies needed to meet customers' carbon intensity requirements and the global demand outlook. With that, Tony will provide some closing remarks before we open the call to Speaker 200:09:56Q and A. Thanks, Chris. Before we move on to your questions, I want to thank everyone at CF Industries for hard work during the difficult Q1 of 2024. In particular, the team did an outstanding job restoring our network to full utilization rates and most importantly, doing so safely. Our 12 month recordable incident rate at the end of the quarter was 0.36 incidents per 200,000 labor hours, significantly better than industry averages. Speaker 200:10:23Despite the challenges we faced earlier this year, we believe CF Industries is well positioned for the years ahead. In the near term, the global energy cost structure remains favorable to our North American production network. Longer term disciplined investments in low carbon ammonia production provide a robust growth platform for the company. Taken together, we expect to drive strong cash generation and continue to create substantial value for long term shareholders. With that, operator, we will now open the call to your questions. Operator00:10:55Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. The first question comes from Chris Parkinson with Wolfe Research. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:11:22Good morning, everyone. Tony, it's been a while since I think anybody has asked you this, but what are your latest thoughts across the organization on the global cost curve? I mean, obviously, it seems things have very much normalized in Europe. It seems obviously you have this back and forth debate in terms of timing on Chinese markets. And then obviously there's been a lot going on in India as well. Speaker 500:11:44When you put all these things together, once again, I don't think anybody's really focused on this for years years. What's CF's latest and greatest on how we should be thinking about this over the next year or 2? Thank you. Speaker 200:11:56Yes, Chris. I think that we believe going forward there production facilities in Europe. And our expectation is that utilization rates there will continue to be challenging and we would expect some of those assets to permanently close. So I think that the combination of some challenges in Europe and other places in the world, Trinidad is both running out of gas and with gas costs climbing as each of the existing contracts rolls off. You've got challenges in parts of Asia and Latin America as well. Speaker 200:12:42You look at all of that and you see a somewhat of a tightening out of the existing production network. You combine that with the fact that there is not enough new production under construction at the moment to meet the traditional growth in normal applications. And we see a tightening of the S and D balance going forward with Europe and Asia being at the fairly high end of the cost curve. And so there'll be periods of time where we need to bid some of that production in just to meet global demand. So I think it provides a very constructive backdrop for our North American focused production network. Speaker 200:13:27And we remain excited about what the long term holds for us and even the near term for that matter. Speaker 500:13:36Got it. And just a real quick follow-up and I apologize for the ultra short term question, but obviously, your organization had to go through a lot during the Q1. Can you just give us kind of just one additional update on just how we should be thinking about where you stand operationally. I assume Bert's team had to move a lot of products sub optimally towards the end of the quarter. When we think about the process back to normality, are we basically already there yet and we can you can instill the confidence that we should just be focusing on market pricing right now? Speaker 500:14:08Or how should we be ultimately thinking about your pathway forward for the remainder of 2024? Thank you. Speaker 200:14:15Yes. I think as you look at the Q1, as Chris said, there was kind of 2 primary factors that impacted us. 1 was because we had significant outages both weather related and other downtime, We ended up with less production of ammonia and we have existing industrial ammonia contracts that obligate us to kind of meet those needs first. And Wagamin was one of the facilities that experienced some downtime in the quarter. And so we had to make sure that we were meeting the customer commitment out of that facility and other industrial customers as well. Speaker 200:15:06And so what that meant was, as Chris mentioned, there was ammonia that we were producing that normally we would have upgraded to urea and or UAN that we needed to ship out as industrial ammonia, which generally is at a bit of a lower margin than agricultural ammonia or ag based urea UAN. So the loss of production was both the opportunity cost of loss of absolute tons, but also the opportunity cost associated with being not being able to upgrade product for higher margin urea than we normally would. As Chris mentioned, we were able to go ahead and get the plants back up and running and have been running sort of at normal operating utilization rates since the beginning of the quarter. And so we're back to kind of normal operations. And our volumes is appropriate for and our volumes is appropriate for the Q2. Speaker 400:16:12Chris, the only additional thing I would add to what Tony said is not only that it was discrete production issues contained in Q1, but also where the product mix was in being produced, we had incremental distribution costs that went over and above the margin loss that Tony spoke about and also the $75,000,000 approximate higher maintenance expense. So it was a pretty tough quarter from that, but all that, as he said, is sort of in the rearview mirror and our distribution and production assets are back to their historical levels. Speaker 600:16:49Thank you so Operator00:16:53much. Thank you. The next question comes from Joel Jackson with BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:17:03Hi, good morning. Just a couple of things you can maybe ask sorry, answer. Are you really open for Q2 here for gas? Maybe talk about we've seen obviously prices come down well below $2 Where are you standing there for Q2 into Q3? And then you talked about 9,800,000 tons of gross ammonia production in 2024. Speaker 700:17:21What is your view that what you can do in 2025 for gross ammonia production with hopefully some improvements at Wagamin and these issues in Q1 behind you? Speaker 400:17:31Joel, good morning. Speaker 300:17:32This is Bert. And on gas, yes, we are wide open. And we do have fixed contracts that are gas based that will fix in the beginning of the month. And we do have basis that we've covered in places more of a winter item. We'll have some Q1 gas purchases trail into Q2. Speaker 300:17:51But in effect, the gas values that you're seeing and through the various hubs, you can bleed into our into your model, and that's what we're doing. Speaker 400:18:02Yes. From a production standpoint, Joel, I think you can look at 2025 and going forward similar to what we had announced earlier this year that sort of the circa 10,000,000 tons of ammonia gross ammonia production. And then based on where the margin potentials are, that's going to change the product mix related to the total product that we do. But give or take, 100,000 tons on either side of that is generally where we look to produce. Operator00:18:42Thank you. The next question comes from Andrew Wong with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:18:51Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. So my first one is really on Blue Point. I understand the plan is to go with mostly sales that are based on like a fixed margin type offtake. I'm just curious how does the ammonia market pricing affect your thinking on the investment decision there? Speaker 200:19:08Well, Andrew, as you know, once we make an investment decision, if we decide to move forward with it, it's going to be approximately 4 years between when that decision is made and when production commences. So what's happening in the very near term ammonia market from a pricing perspective is an important starting point, but what you really need to do is project where we are 4 years going forward and take a look at where we think the S and D balance will be at that time. We do expect the S and D balance to tighten, as I talked about earlier, both in terms of existing production capacity that will not be running at historic utilization rates, principally in Europe and some in Asia and Latin America. But also because the new capacity that is currently under construction doesn't meet traditional growth of call it 1.5% to 2% within the nitrogen markets, let alone any new applications for clean ammonia going into either electricity generation or into marine fuels or some of the other applications that are beginning to develop. So as we look forward, the development of those new markets is an important input as well as just our assessment of where the S and D balance is going to be on a global basis. Speaker 200:20:43And so again, where we are today is a starting point, but it's not really that useful in determining what the future is going to look like 4 to 5 years out. Speaker 700:20:54Okay, that's fair. And maybe just going on to clean ammonia market and demand, it's been a few years here now since we started talking about it and it feels like things have started to develop over the past couple of years. So as we get closer and closer to some of these use cases that are maybe later 2020s into 2,030, Do you have a sense on how to quantify that demand, let's say, by the time we get to 2,030 and what would be the primary use cases by then? Would that still be co firing and power generation, maybe Marines coming up a little bit faster? Just curious Speaker 200:21:31Yes. So there have been, I believe it's 5 power stations in Japan that have been kind of approved for conversion to be co firing ammonia. Those include 2 from JERA and 3 others. And so, the assessment of the volume of ammonia that would go into those applications, assuming only a 20% dosage rate, it's about 2,000,000 tons a year. So that's a pretty sizable increase in terms of demand and that would be expected to be online by, call it, 2,030, if not before. Speaker 200:22:15Additionally, we see demand beginning to develop both in terms of marine, but also Bert can talk about some of the things that we're seeing in the way of using a decarbonized fertilizer product for certain applications in ag, not only for CPG companies, but also to develop a traceable, sustainable aviation fuel as well as ethanol that will meet the California low carbon fuel standard. Speaker 300:22:50That's exactly that Tony. In terms of the low carbon value chain we see developing for ag and the pull through that will take place from the CPGs and consumers. But when you look at whether that be corn or wheat, the principal consuming crops for nitrogen as a low or no carbon ammonia is passed through corn to the ethanol plant, which is decarbonized, You have a very good upside for a decarbonized product coming from that corn value chain of starch, ethanol, fructose and the same thing with the wheat value chain. So we're working on that with several players and more to come. Speaker 700:23:34That's great. Thank you very much. Operator00:23:39Thank you. We have the next question from Adam Samuel Samuelson with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead. Speaker 800:23:48Yes, thank you. Good morning, everyone. Speaker 200:23:50Good morning, Adam. Speaker 800:23:51Good morning. Maybe picking up on that last topic, Bert, there was earlier this week that the Treasury Department issued kind of the rules for the new 40B tax credit for sustainable aviation fuel. That tax rate will change next year, but the rules that would presumably be somewhat applicable. And one of those requirements for ethanol to jet was the requirement to use climate smart agriculture of which one of the requirements was the use of enhanced efficiency nitrogen fertilizer by corn growers. And I would just love to hear your perspective on kind of how kind of disruptive that could be to the existing domestic nitrogen market and how available enhanced efficiency nitrogen fertilizer. Speaker 800:24:40I know there's a bunch of things that fall under that. But how what is that what could that do to domestic demand by product or form, both opportunity and risk as you think about the CF network? Speaker 300:24:52I don't view it as a threat. I view it as an opportunity because of the first mover with low carbon ammonia as the largest ammonia supplier to corn production in North America, that's just right up our wheelhouse. And so working with the co ops, CHS, Land O'Lakes and others as well as the ethanol producers, POET, ADM, CHS, Speaker 100:25:17those are Speaker 300:25:18the people that will drive through their management area. And our area of responsibility is as we started with decarbonized product, but we have the pipeline through a terminal. It's traceable. It's producible. It's manageable. Speaker 300:25:33And so each of these steps, were getting tighter and better. And that time frame that I would have thought was longer dated is, I would think, being pulled closer. And so there is some more development. We'll be communicating this over the next quarters years, but that's where I see this going. And climate smart agriculture, regenerative agriculture, precision agriculture, there's a lot of names for this. Speaker 300:26:00A lot of this is already being utilized. Some of it incorporating, obviously, the seed companies and the crop protection. So our whole industry is working towards this future that's coming, and we're going to play a vital part of it. Speaker 600:26:18That's helpful. And if I Speaker 800:26:19could just ask a follow-up on the spring demand here. Obviously, the ammonia side of things is more complete. Can you talk about kind of where we are on UAN from a side dress and top dress perspective and kind of when you start to think that in season pull will really start to materialize? Speaker 300:26:36So we're just getting started. As we talked about, planting and product movement and field work did start early. It was a surprise in February early March and then the rainy cold weather came through in March, delaying again field work and applications and planting. And now I would say we are on a normal a good pace with very good soil moisture from the Texas Panhandle up through into Canada. So the UAN season really hasn't started. Speaker 300:27:07And we've been positioning product, utilizing our logistics team with additional toes of UAN through our terminals and our customers' terminals. And we expect that, and I would say, now going forward. And it should be fairly heavy because the opportunity, the upside, the pricing structure of where UAN is today compared against the price of corn on the forward for December at, let's say, dollars 4.60, dollars 4.70 it's attractive and we would expect with the lower volume of spring ammonia applied that will then move to UAN. Speaker 900:27:43All right. Speaker 600:27:44That's very helpful. I'll pass it on. Thank you. Operator00:27:49Thank you. The next question comes from Steve Byrne with Bank of America. Please go ahead. Speaker 1000:27:58Yes, thank you. I'd like to continue that discussion there Bert. You had production issues this year. You had less imports into the U. S. Speaker 1000:28:10China's exports of urea 1st couple of months were almost 0. We were thinking that there was going to be some strength going into the application season, but yet over the last month pricing has fallen. Just curious what you think of that? Is there been less application rates of nitrogen than maybe you expected? Or was there significant ammonia application in the fall that may have reduced some of the near term demand? Speaker 1000:28:42Or is this a shift towards UAN? Curious of your view of where that price trajectory on Slide 8 goes. Speaker 300:28:52Yes. Welcome to my confusing world because that is exactly that you've listed the dynamics that we deal with every day that really were confusing. And then just pointing to the CF system of what Tony and Chris articulated with the difficulties with the weather and the production and the maintenance issues that created on the sales side or at least the commercial side different product allocation and movements. And I give a lot of credit to our logistics team for moving that product around. But yes, when you look at the overall market, and I would have expected what you thought coming in a strengthening market or at least a firm market. Speaker 300:29:35But a lot of work has gone into detail this and you've really had some pullback in demand in some areas. I would say the EU, when you look at Italy, Germany, Belgium, France, on this year basis and on a fertilizer, you're both a fall in demand along with Mexico, Philippines and then this India tender that took place where they had a tender, had 3,000,000 tons put into the tender, announced 750,000 tons of purchases with LOIs issued and then canceled that well, not canceled, but cut it to 350,000 tons. The traders and producers that had positions allocated towards that then had to move that into the market and got aggressive. And that coupled with some additional production coming on in different places, but also India, Russia, Iran and Nigeria coming back on production because several places were limited on gas, probably overwhelmed a little bit the Q2 market. And so what we would have thought was tight inventory is probably looser inventory. Speaker 300:30:43And the U. S. Won't resolve that long, but lower prices tend to incent additional demand. So as we work through Q2, I think we'll still be in the state that where we are today with pricing probably aligned plus or minus where we are today and work towards the back half of the year. Speaker 1000:31:05Okay. Thank you for that. And just a question on the green ammonia plant that you're commissioning. Just curious if you've signed any contracts for that product and any of your partners in Japan or South Korea interested in bringing green ammonia into their facilities or do they really prefer the blue? Speaker 200:31:27Well, the volume is not really sufficient to be able to meet the application for co firing. We're only going to be able to make about 20,000 tons a year and even the smallest of the power stations is going to require somewhere in the neighborhood of 350,000. Dollars And because that is a part of a broader program with some incentives provided by the government, they are going to be, I think, focused on the most economically available low decarbonized product. And so that's going to be a blue product as opposed to green. But we are in conversations with a number of companies, particularly some companies in Europe that are focused on the extremely low carbon attributes of the green product. Speaker 200:32:27And we need to begin making it and very likely building some level of inventory for probably half a year before we've got sufficient volume to be able to ship. So more to come on that, Steve, but we're excited about being able to both start that plant up as well as what the future holds for us. Speaker 300:32:51And we're looking at 2 options. Like Tony said, as we build inventory, that could be for a vessel to a customer that wants only 0 carbon product or it could go up to one of our terminals, which our terminals are about that size, where we could isolate an area with 0 carbon ammonia, again, back to the corn value chain. So working on several different fronts at this time. Speaker 1000:33:15Very good. Thank you. Operator00:33:20Thank you. The next question comes from Josh Spector with UBS. Please go ahead. Speaker 1100:33:27Yes. Hi, good morning. So I wanted to ask on all the projects you guys are evaluating. So particularly, I guess, with JERA converting to a JDA, how many separate plants are you now considering at this point? And I guess as you look at all these separate agreements, could that combine together to be more offtakes from a smaller number of plants? Speaker 1100:33:52And would CF be interested in a very small stake and maybe more of an operator role? Or do you see yourself as requiring majority control over the facilities you built? Speaker 200:34:04Yes, Josh. While we're evaluating a couple of different projects, principally what we're looking at is different technology pathways to get us to a very low carbon intensity solution. And realistically, at least at this time, we're focused on, one plant as opposed to multiple plants. And doing the evaluation, as I said, should that be just a straight SMR? Should it be an SMR with Flue Gas Capture? Speaker 200:34:37Should it be an ATR? Kind of what's the right technology to deliver on both an OpEx and CapEx basis, the most competitive returns for us and our partners. And on the second question about the role that we would play, I think we're we are open to a variety of different structures, some of which would have us with a majority control and other structures might have us unequal footing or even as you say more of an operator of the asset, but with a smaller equity participation. So we're pretty open to different ways of structuring the agreements. And we're in those discussions at the same time as doing the technology evaluation. Speaker 200:35:27But we're really only looking at building 1 plant initially and seeing how the market develops and then we'll make some decisions as that continues moving forward. Speaker 1100:35:39Thanks. That's helpful. I guess just to clarify on my part, I guess I'm thinking about the Mitsui JV announced earlier now JERA JDA, are those just different tranches of the same plant? Those aren't 2 separate plants you're looking at then? Speaker 200:35:56Initially, they were different based on the type of technology, but certainly, it's our hope that we can find a way to have all of our partners participate in the same project and that'd be something that we can combine together and aggregate demand so that we're have a home for more rather than fewer of the tons coming off of that project. Speaker 400:36:25I would also say Josh that all three of the FEED studies that we have ongoing, the SMR, the ATR and then the flue gas, all the partners that Tony just spoke of are all participants in that even though the JDAs and the MOUs may look different. So all the partners are working collaboratively to determine what we need to do from a carbon intensity standpoint, how does that influence the technology we choose and as Tony said, and really the contract for difference and the economics that come out of that in the end. Operator00:37:01Understood. Thank you. Thank you. The next question comes from Ben Isaacson with Scotiabank. Please go ahead. Speaker 1200:37:13Thank you very much and Speaker 700:37:14good morning. Just one question from me. Tony or Bert, can you talk about the situation in Russia when it comes to nitrogen supply? If we break down ammonia, urea and nitrates, where are we right now in terms of supply? Where have we come from and where are we going? Speaker 700:37:32And I'm also referring to the pipeline that's being built right now. Thank you. Speaker 300:37:39Yes, Ben, good morning. This is Bert. And the situation in Russia is as cloudy and clear as it's ever been. So that's a little bit of a dichotomy. But it's difficult because there are some places in the world that will not accept Russian product. Speaker 300:37:56And so, there are places that are. And the largest happens to be the United States, which surprising with where we are geopolitically. But the other is the EU. And so what has happened over the last year since the invasion has been just a reorganization of the distribution channel for Russian product. So a lot goes to Brazil, a lot goes to North America or not even Canada, actually just the United States and then to Europe. Speaker 300:38:27And so with the recent restrictions on ammonium nitrate, a lot of that was stored in St. Petersburg and probably a decision or as a reflection of some of the capabilities of the Ukraine's to cause disruptions. They have canceled some of that movement or all of that movement out of those ports and are reorganizing how they'll be able to export. That has created a little bit of a shortage of ammonium nitrate in some markets. And with ammonia, you're right, The pipeline that used to go through Ukraine was stopped during the war and has been stopped and probably is not operable today through Eugenie. Speaker 300:39:11And so they have developed a new export corridor through the Port of Cayman. And they're working to get the Togliotti tons out through that. That's a Black Sea port. And that we expect to happen probably in Q3. And so going from, let's say, 500,000 tons of exports out of the Baltics, we'll probably convert to a couple of 1000000 tons, 1.5 to 2,000,000 tons probably over the next year and probably positioning that product in the Mediterranean, Morocco and different places. Speaker 300:39:42Urea and UAN, a lot of that UAN they produce comes to NOLA and the East Coast as well as Europe. And that's probably on a looking at the statistics for United States, UAN imports from Russia are up, from Trinidad they're down, but that balance of UAN is probably okay. And that's about it. I think what we're going to see out of Russia is trying to get those tons out. They've put out some export restrictions, but I think those are manageable and we'll see what happens going forward. Speaker 300:40:17Yes. I mean, I Speaker 200:40:18think to tag along on that one just for a second. It's kind of shocking and I think actually Yara made mention of this as well in their call, but what's kind of shocking is that there's been all of this focus on not funding the Russian war machine and not buying Russian gas. And yet the U. S. Is arms wide open to take urea and UAN coming out of Russia, which is effectively just natural gas that's been converted. Speaker 200:40:59And so it's the U. S. Is funding the very war effort over there that on the one hand it's condemning. So it's absolutely shocking, but I think that's not surprising given the political climate over here and the fact that we're in an election year. But you see some of that going on, I'd say in Europe as well where there's a lot of Russian nitrogen that's finding its way into Europe and it's just supplanting what used to be gas. Speaker 700:41:27And maybe just a quick follow-up on that. Can you talk about Ukraine? I mean before the invasion, I think in 2014, Ukraine was a major exporter. And where do they stand right now? Are they self sufficient? Speaker 700:41:40Are they a net importer? Speaker 300:41:43So it's actually when you take into account the acres that are planted and applied and harvested against probably the previous, let's go back, maybe not 2014 as far back, but before the war, you got a loss of acres, obviously, in the contested area, especially, which is good agricultural land. But you have several plants that are offline. And OPZ plant in Odessa that has been they're trying to I just read they're trying to bring that back up. Speaker 200:42:16Although that one was struggling economically even well prior to the war. So that one has always been sort of up and down again. Speaker 300:42:25So there are gas questions on gas supply and yes, they have imported product. And so it's a question of I think getting through the current crisis to see where we are coming out of it. Speaker 1200:42:39Thank you very much. Operator00:42:44Thank you. The next question comes from Ben Theurer with Barclays. Please go ahead. Speaker 900:42:50Hey, good morning and thanks for taking my question. Just wanted to follow-up a little bit on the global dynamics and thanks for all the comments on Russia, but coming back to China and India to a degree. So in your press release, you kind of alluded to China probably going to be back exporting some 4,000,000 tons, also India being a little more aggressive on the internal supply and you've talked about the tender and the implications. So if you think about it, those two markets coupled with what you just said on Russia, how does that kind of level set the pricing? How do you think about pricing going forward in the medium term when if cost curves stick where they are right now, just given that potential supply out of China and India on top of the Russian you just mentioned? Speaker 300:43:43Well, the good thing is it's a global market. And you have in a global market today, a lot of production in the dispersed countries and also a lot of consumption in dispersed countries. And in a growing population, a growing need to feed the world and the benefits of nitrogen for pollution control, which are growing not only in DEF but in power generation and with clean energy, you have demand. So today's let's just take urea. Today's urea market is about 55,000,000 tons of globally traded on a vessel out of about 190,000,000 tons of production. Speaker 300:44:22And so when you look at China and our number of 4,000,000 metric tons of possible exports, that's importation of urea and the support of the global urea price, but they're falling from imports of 7000000 to 9000000 tons and we're projecting 5.5000000 to 6.5 So that is being taken out of that global trade. But the countries that are growing and Brazil is growing significantly, we project them to be 8,000,000 tons. Just 15 years ago, that was around 3,000,000 tons. So the countries that are increasing, Argentina, Australia, Brazil, Ethiopia, South Africa, Turkey, Thailand, those countries have grown this year in their urea consumption. The price of urea today at around $300 is highly attractive for agricultural and production control. Speaker 300:45:19The challenge I think for India or excuse me, for China going forward is the export controls that are in place. And the new controls are such that you have to have prepayment, a shipment date, a destination, a product price and all that set up in a contract before applying for the CIQ application. And then prepayment has to take place before the cargo moves to port. So that's a very difficult transactional structure to have China, I think, even hit the 4,000,000 tons. And so I think we're a little vague in our comments because it's a little opaque right now in the market on how it's going to develop. Speaker 300:45:59But China, I think, will play in the international market once their spring season is over, and then we'll see how the pricing develops from there. Speaker 900:46:09Okay. And then just a quick follow-up on that industrial versus agriculture use, the impact you had in the Q1, that shift towards the lower profitability on the industrial use just because of fulfilling those contracts. Has that already normalized now that we're like early May, so that was really just like kind of a one time? Should we think about that volume balance to be more normal and not as skewed towards the raw ammonia because of the industrial needs? Speaker 400:46:40Yes. As we talked about, a lot of the issues that occurred in Q1 were discrete to Q1 and that those are passes both from a production and also a sales perspective. But as you mentioned, we did take 167,000 tons of what would normally have been upgraded to urea, which as I said in my remarks, would be about 275,000 tons of urea. So you see the urea decrease in sales and the increase we had in ammonia. But when you put that on a nutrient margin basis of what the quarter was for the industrial ammonia versus the ag urea, you're looking at something that was almost about a $30,000,000 margin impact. Speaker 400:47:24And that combined with that $75,000,000 of approximate maintenance expense, really is what set the quarter back. But again, can't emphasize enough that those are discrete items to Q1. Speaker 900:47:38Okay, perfect. Thank you very much. Operator00:47:43Thank you. The next question comes from Richard Garchitoreno with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead. Speaker 600:47:53Great. Thanks for taking my questions. I just wanted to ask about Wagamin. You mentioned that the facility had some downtime from weather in January. I was wondering if you can give us an update in terms of how the ramp up has been since you had closed the acquisition, integration of that asset into your facilities? Speaker 600:48:14And have you been able to get utilization rates up to sort of typical CF average levels as it was maybe lower than that prior to your ownership? Speaker 200:48:28Yes, you bet. So we had an outage and we took that opportunity to conduct the turnaround that was kind of scheduled for later in the year. And so we were able to take advantage of that downtime. But prior to that and in fact, post turnaround, we're operating at rates that reflect north of what nameplate capacity has been on that or is on that unit. And so that reflects kind of more traditional operating rates for C Alpha across our network. Speaker 200:49:08And I'd say the integration has gone remarkably well. The team at Wagamin has worked extremely well with the rest of the CF network and I think it's that kind of partnership and coordination that has led to some of the improvements we've made in terms of on stream factor and operating rate at the location. So we couldn't be more happy about the acquisition. And in fact, particularly at the value of it, given where new assets look like trading and what the cost of new construction is. So we're really pleased with, adding WAGM into the portfolio. Speaker 600:49:52Okay, great. And then just on the press release on the JDA with Jira, I'm just curious in terms of so if capacity ends up being 1,400,000 tons, JERA procurement of 500,000 tons. So how should we think about that available 900,000 tons? Is that given Jero is going to be taking potentially a 48% stake, do they get sort of percentage of that amount as well? Are you looking at as potentially merchant sales or are you looking to lock that up? Speaker 600:50:26I know you had said earlier that you basically have 4 years from decision to production. So maybe how you think about how much you want to get locked up before you get into that sort of development of that project? Thank you. Yes. Speaker 400:50:43So I think just starting, the encouraging thing is that about 500,000 tons has a home already for it. And as you mentioned, with the next 4 years and that provides a lot of opportunity to find basically sales for the remaining amount along with keeping a little bit for merchant. But the one thing with JERA is that $500,000 is just for one particular unit at their coal plant facility. They have multiple units they're looking at. In addition to that, as you look at what's going on with the JERA test right now, which is a commercial test going on, which is performing to commercial tests going on, which is performing to expectations. Speaker 400:51:30You could see other areas that JERA has within Asia also converting to a 20% ammonia injection into the coal along with some other additional players that are looking at it that Tony mentioned within Japan as well. So I think we're just on the first few innings of where that demand side goes. But I would say that we're very encouraged that we have a large portion of it already taken. Additionally, as Bert mentioned, you're just seeing more and more activity come along, whether it's through the power gen, the marine or the sustainable aviation fuel or even just on the legacy agricultural business where decarbonized product is going to have a home for from a supply standpoint. So we're pretty encouraged by what we have and what we're seeing going forward. Operator00:52:28Thank you. The next question comes from Alan Ciccarelli with Berenberg. Please go ahead. Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. Operator00:52:38I wanted to ask you in the scenario where you go ahead with both the Mitsui plant and the JERA 1 or say a combined one, how should we be thinking about your capital expenditure phasing for the next 3 to 5 years? Thank you. Speaker 200:52:54Yes. So I think as Chris mentioned in our last earnings call, the FEED study for an SMR, steam methane reformer, kind of a copy of Ammonia 6 at Donaldsonville was about $2,500,000,000 and then there would be roughly another $500,000,000 for scalable infrastructure that could be leveraged against additional plants on-site. So all in for the first one, it would be circa $3,000,000,000 Now, that does not include if it was required, flue gas capture and, we are still in the middle of a FEED study to evaluate what it would look like to do an auto thermal reformer or an ATR. And so, more to come in terms of what the cost of a different approach or different technologies are. But if we had both, let's say, JERA Speaker 700:54:00and Speaker 200:54:01Mitsui and CF kind of all aligned on one particular project and it was a third, a third, a third that would be kind of a $1,000,000,000 per company to do the SMR spent over, call it 4 ish type of years. Now if it's 50% for us and and 50% for somebody else, then that increases to $1,500,000,000 it just kind of scales appropriately. But it's in that order of magnitude and it's spread over 4 to 5 years of cash outflow. So while it's a meaningful amount of cash compared to the amount of free cash that we're generating, we still have plenty of free cash available to be able to return cash to shareholders in the form of dividend and share repurchases. So it's not going to impede us from being able Operator00:55:13Thank you very much. Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, that is all the time we have for questions for today. I would like to turn the call back to Martin Jarosick for closing remarks. Speaker 100:55:30Thanks everyone for joining us today, and we look forward to seeing you on at upcoming conferences. Operator00:55:39Thank you. The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. 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There are 13 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to CF Industries First Quarter of 2024. All participants will be in the listen only mode. I would now like to turn the presentation over to the host for today, Mr. Martin Jarosick with CF Investor Relations. Sir, please proceed. Speaker 100:00:40Good morning, and thanks for joining the CF Industries earnings conference call. With me today are Tony Will, CEO Chris Bone, Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer and Bert Frost, Executive Vice President of Sales, Market Development and Supply Chain. CF Industries reported its results for the Q1 of 2024 yesterday afternoon. On this call, we will review the results, discuss our outlook and then host a question and answer session. Statements made on this call and in the presentation on our website that are not historical facts are forward looking statements. Speaker 100:01:11These statements are not guarantees of future performance and involve risks, uncertainties and assumptions that are difficult to predict. Therefore, actual outcomes and results may differ materially from what is expressed or implied in any statements. More detailed information about factors that may affect our performance may be found in our filings with the SEC, which are available on our website. Also, you'll find reconciliations between GAAP and non GAAP measures in the press release and presentation posted on our website. Now let me introduce Tony Will, our President and CEO. Speaker 200:01:42Thanks, Martin, and good morning, everyone. Yesterday afternoon, we posted results for the Q1 of 2024 in which we generated adjusted EBITDA of $460,000,000 Our performance reflects a challenging quarter for our production network. Plant outages caused by severe cold in January as well as other unplanned downtime resulted in a significant loss of production and maintenance activity. Even with the production outages and associated expenses, our business generated strong cash flow for the quarter. Net cash from operations from the Q1 was $445,000,000 and free cash flow was approximately $200,000,000 Longer term, we expect the global energy cost structure to continue to provide a significant margin opportunities for our North American production network and for clean energy to provide a growth platform for the company. Speaker 200:02:34As a result, we expect to have significant free cash flow available to both invest in growth and return capital to shareholders. We remain focused on disciplined investments in clean energy that offer returns well above our cost of capital. These include decarbonization projects within our existing network and potential new low carbon ammonia capacity. We also remain committed to returning capital to shareholders through our dividend and share repurchases. In the Q1, we returned $445,000,000 including repurchasing 4,300,000 shares. Speaker 200:03:07We have approximately $2,200,000,000 remaining on our current share repurchase authorization, which we intend to complete by the end of next year. With that, let me turn it over to Bert, who'll discuss the global nitrogen market conditions in more detail. Speaker 300:03:21Bert? Thanks, Tony. The global nitrogen market has experienced rapidly changing dynamics throughout 2024, including in North America. The spring application season began earlier than normal in late February with demand for ammonia applications brought forward from the Q2 into the first. Poor weather at the end of March subsequently stalled field work and fertilizer purchases with the region now on a normal application and planting pace. Speaker 300:03:48Overall, we expect nitrogen demand in North America to be positive with approximately 91,000,000 acres of corn planted. Good soil moisture supports higher application rates than in previous years. And farm economics remain constructive, though weaker than the record highs from previous and recent years. We believe the spring ammonia season will see fewer tons of ammonia applied this year. However, total ammonia application volumes for the fertilizer year, which runs from July 2023 through June 2024 should be comparable to previous years given the strong fall ammonia season. Speaker 300:04:26As the pace of spring application season has normalized, the lineup for urea and UAN imports for the region has grown. These tons will be necessary to meet expected demand given low inventories in the region to start the year and production disruptions in January. Even with the imports, we expect that inventory in the North American nitrogen channel across all products will be low at the end of the season. This activity is occurring as the global nitrogen market supply position has loosened, leading to lower global prices than we saw earlier this year. Lower imports of urea to India, including the impact of lower volumes taken in the recent tender, lower than expected deferred demand in Europe and other countries and good production from the Arab Gulf and North Africa all played a role. Speaker 300:05:16We do not believe demand during the spring season in North America will result to length in the global nitrogen market by itself. As North America hits its traditional pricing reset in the summer, Brazil, India and China will provide the most important signals regarding the state of the market. We project that urea consumption and imports in Brazil will grow in 2024, maintaining that country's status as the world's largest importer of urea. India will remain a major importer of urea, though they have lower requirements today, reflecting their commitment to increase domestically produced urea. China continues to prioritize low fertilizer prices for their farmers with export restrictions playing a significant role in that effort. Speaker 300:06:01We expect China to export approximately 4,000,000 metric tons of urea this year, but actual volumes will depend on the timing and duration of when exports are allowed. Even with these sources of near term uncertainty, North American producers remain firmly positioned on the low end of the global cost curve. Forward energy curves continue to show spreads between North America and Europe, which is home to the industry's marginal high cost production remaining wider than historical averages. As a result, we expect attractive margin opportunities for our network in the near and longer term. With that, let me turn the call over to Chris. Speaker 400:06:39Thanks, Bert. For the Q1 of 2024, the company reported net earnings attributable to common stockholders of approximately $194,000,000 or $1.03 per diluted share. EBITDA was $488,000,000 and adjusted EBITDA was approximately $460,000,000 The production outages that we experienced earlier this year affected our results in 2 significant ways. Maintenance expenses were approximately $75,000,000 higher in the Q1 of 2024 compared to the Q1 of 2023. Additionally, we had approximately 160,000 fewer tons of ammonia available to upgrade in the quarter compared to the same quarter last year. Speaker 400:07:29This equates to approximately 275,000 tons of urea that we would otherwise have been able to produce and sell at higher margins. The production issues were contained to the Q1 and our network is operating at our typical high utilization rates today. We believe we currently project that gross ammonia production for 2024 will be approximately 9,800,000 tons, which reflects normal asset utilization rates moving forward. Our forecast for 2024 capital expenditures remains approximately $550,000,000 Capital expenditures were higher in the Q1 of 2024 compared to the Q1 of 2023, primarily due to a large planned turnaround event. We are making continued progress on our clean energy initiatives. Speaker 400:08:22Commissioning activities for our green ammonia project are nearing completion. We intend to purchase 45E compliant renewable energy certificates to pair with the startup of the electrolyzer to enable green ammonia production and maximize the value of the hydrogen production tax credit. Additionally, construction of the carbon dioxide dehydration and compression unit at Donaldsonville is progressing well. We believe it will be ready for start up in 2025, at which point our partner ExxonMobil will be able to begin transportation and permanent sequestration of up to 2,000,000 tons of CO2 from the facility per year. This will not only significantly reduce our carbon emissions but also enable low carbon ammonia production and generate substantial 45Q tax credits. Speaker 400:09:16Our evaluation of low carbon ammonia capacity growth continues with potential partners and off takers. We have made additional progress on our auto thermal reforming ammonia plant and flue gas capture FEED studies. These should be complete before the end of the year and will be an important component of our final investment decision. We continue to emphasize a disciplined approach based on the return profile of new capacity, the technologies needed to meet customers' carbon intensity requirements and the global demand outlook. With that, Tony will provide some closing remarks before we open the call to Speaker 200:09:56Q and A. Thanks, Chris. Before we move on to your questions, I want to thank everyone at CF Industries for hard work during the difficult Q1 of 2024. In particular, the team did an outstanding job restoring our network to full utilization rates and most importantly, doing so safely. Our 12 month recordable incident rate at the end of the quarter was 0.36 incidents per 200,000 labor hours, significantly better than industry averages. Speaker 200:10:23Despite the challenges we faced earlier this year, we believe CF Industries is well positioned for the years ahead. In the near term, the global energy cost structure remains favorable to our North American production network. Longer term disciplined investments in low carbon ammonia production provide a robust growth platform for the company. Taken together, we expect to drive strong cash generation and continue to create substantial value for long term shareholders. With that, operator, we will now open the call to your questions. Operator00:10:55Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. The first question comes from Chris Parkinson with Wolfe Research. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:11:22Good morning, everyone. Tony, it's been a while since I think anybody has asked you this, but what are your latest thoughts across the organization on the global cost curve? I mean, obviously, it seems things have very much normalized in Europe. It seems obviously you have this back and forth debate in terms of timing on Chinese markets. And then obviously there's been a lot going on in India as well. Speaker 500:11:44When you put all these things together, once again, I don't think anybody's really focused on this for years years. What's CF's latest and greatest on how we should be thinking about this over the next year or 2? Thank you. Speaker 200:11:56Yes, Chris. I think that we believe going forward there production facilities in Europe. And our expectation is that utilization rates there will continue to be challenging and we would expect some of those assets to permanently close. So I think that the combination of some challenges in Europe and other places in the world, Trinidad is both running out of gas and with gas costs climbing as each of the existing contracts rolls off. You've got challenges in parts of Asia and Latin America as well. Speaker 200:12:42You look at all of that and you see a somewhat of a tightening out of the existing production network. You combine that with the fact that there is not enough new production under construction at the moment to meet the traditional growth in normal applications. And we see a tightening of the S and D balance going forward with Europe and Asia being at the fairly high end of the cost curve. And so there'll be periods of time where we need to bid some of that production in just to meet global demand. So I think it provides a very constructive backdrop for our North American focused production network. Speaker 200:13:27And we remain excited about what the long term holds for us and even the near term for that matter. Speaker 500:13:36Got it. And just a real quick follow-up and I apologize for the ultra short term question, but obviously, your organization had to go through a lot during the Q1. Can you just give us kind of just one additional update on just how we should be thinking about where you stand operationally. I assume Bert's team had to move a lot of products sub optimally towards the end of the quarter. When we think about the process back to normality, are we basically already there yet and we can you can instill the confidence that we should just be focusing on market pricing right now? Speaker 500:14:08Or how should we be ultimately thinking about your pathway forward for the remainder of 2024? Thank you. Speaker 200:14:15Yes. I think as you look at the Q1, as Chris said, there was kind of 2 primary factors that impacted us. 1 was because we had significant outages both weather related and other downtime, We ended up with less production of ammonia and we have existing industrial ammonia contracts that obligate us to kind of meet those needs first. And Wagamin was one of the facilities that experienced some downtime in the quarter. And so we had to make sure that we were meeting the customer commitment out of that facility and other industrial customers as well. Speaker 200:15:06And so what that meant was, as Chris mentioned, there was ammonia that we were producing that normally we would have upgraded to urea and or UAN that we needed to ship out as industrial ammonia, which generally is at a bit of a lower margin than agricultural ammonia or ag based urea UAN. So the loss of production was both the opportunity cost of loss of absolute tons, but also the opportunity cost associated with being not being able to upgrade product for higher margin urea than we normally would. As Chris mentioned, we were able to go ahead and get the plants back up and running and have been running sort of at normal operating utilization rates since the beginning of the quarter. And so we're back to kind of normal operations. And our volumes is appropriate for and our volumes is appropriate for the Q2. Speaker 400:16:12Chris, the only additional thing I would add to what Tony said is not only that it was discrete production issues contained in Q1, but also where the product mix was in being produced, we had incremental distribution costs that went over and above the margin loss that Tony spoke about and also the $75,000,000 approximate higher maintenance expense. So it was a pretty tough quarter from that, but all that, as he said, is sort of in the rearview mirror and our distribution and production assets are back to their historical levels. Speaker 600:16:49Thank you so Operator00:16:53much. Thank you. The next question comes from Joel Jackson with BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:17:03Hi, good morning. Just a couple of things you can maybe ask sorry, answer. Are you really open for Q2 here for gas? Maybe talk about we've seen obviously prices come down well below $2 Where are you standing there for Q2 into Q3? And then you talked about 9,800,000 tons of gross ammonia production in 2024. Speaker 700:17:21What is your view that what you can do in 2025 for gross ammonia production with hopefully some improvements at Wagamin and these issues in Q1 behind you? Speaker 400:17:31Joel, good morning. Speaker 300:17:32This is Bert. And on gas, yes, we are wide open. And we do have fixed contracts that are gas based that will fix in the beginning of the month. And we do have basis that we've covered in places more of a winter item. We'll have some Q1 gas purchases trail into Q2. Speaker 300:17:51But in effect, the gas values that you're seeing and through the various hubs, you can bleed into our into your model, and that's what we're doing. Speaker 400:18:02Yes. From a production standpoint, Joel, I think you can look at 2025 and going forward similar to what we had announced earlier this year that sort of the circa 10,000,000 tons of ammonia gross ammonia production. And then based on where the margin potentials are, that's going to change the product mix related to the total product that we do. But give or take, 100,000 tons on either side of that is generally where we look to produce. Operator00:18:42Thank you. The next question comes from Andrew Wong with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:18:51Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. So my first one is really on Blue Point. I understand the plan is to go with mostly sales that are based on like a fixed margin type offtake. I'm just curious how does the ammonia market pricing affect your thinking on the investment decision there? Speaker 200:19:08Well, Andrew, as you know, once we make an investment decision, if we decide to move forward with it, it's going to be approximately 4 years between when that decision is made and when production commences. So what's happening in the very near term ammonia market from a pricing perspective is an important starting point, but what you really need to do is project where we are 4 years going forward and take a look at where we think the S and D balance will be at that time. We do expect the S and D balance to tighten, as I talked about earlier, both in terms of existing production capacity that will not be running at historic utilization rates, principally in Europe and some in Asia and Latin America. But also because the new capacity that is currently under construction doesn't meet traditional growth of call it 1.5% to 2% within the nitrogen markets, let alone any new applications for clean ammonia going into either electricity generation or into marine fuels or some of the other applications that are beginning to develop. So as we look forward, the development of those new markets is an important input as well as just our assessment of where the S and D balance is going to be on a global basis. Speaker 200:20:43And so again, where we are today is a starting point, but it's not really that useful in determining what the future is going to look like 4 to 5 years out. Speaker 700:20:54Okay, that's fair. And maybe just going on to clean ammonia market and demand, it's been a few years here now since we started talking about it and it feels like things have started to develop over the past couple of years. So as we get closer and closer to some of these use cases that are maybe later 2020s into 2,030, Do you have a sense on how to quantify that demand, let's say, by the time we get to 2,030 and what would be the primary use cases by then? Would that still be co firing and power generation, maybe Marines coming up a little bit faster? Just curious Speaker 200:21:31Yes. So there have been, I believe it's 5 power stations in Japan that have been kind of approved for conversion to be co firing ammonia. Those include 2 from JERA and 3 others. And so, the assessment of the volume of ammonia that would go into those applications, assuming only a 20% dosage rate, it's about 2,000,000 tons a year. So that's a pretty sizable increase in terms of demand and that would be expected to be online by, call it, 2,030, if not before. Speaker 200:22:15Additionally, we see demand beginning to develop both in terms of marine, but also Bert can talk about some of the things that we're seeing in the way of using a decarbonized fertilizer product for certain applications in ag, not only for CPG companies, but also to develop a traceable, sustainable aviation fuel as well as ethanol that will meet the California low carbon fuel standard. Speaker 300:22:50That's exactly that Tony. In terms of the low carbon value chain we see developing for ag and the pull through that will take place from the CPGs and consumers. But when you look at whether that be corn or wheat, the principal consuming crops for nitrogen as a low or no carbon ammonia is passed through corn to the ethanol plant, which is decarbonized, You have a very good upside for a decarbonized product coming from that corn value chain of starch, ethanol, fructose and the same thing with the wheat value chain. So we're working on that with several players and more to come. Speaker 700:23:34That's great. Thank you very much. Operator00:23:39Thank you. We have the next question from Adam Samuel Samuelson with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead. Speaker 800:23:48Yes, thank you. Good morning, everyone. Speaker 200:23:50Good morning, Adam. Speaker 800:23:51Good morning. Maybe picking up on that last topic, Bert, there was earlier this week that the Treasury Department issued kind of the rules for the new 40B tax credit for sustainable aviation fuel. That tax rate will change next year, but the rules that would presumably be somewhat applicable. And one of those requirements for ethanol to jet was the requirement to use climate smart agriculture of which one of the requirements was the use of enhanced efficiency nitrogen fertilizer by corn growers. And I would just love to hear your perspective on kind of how kind of disruptive that could be to the existing domestic nitrogen market and how available enhanced efficiency nitrogen fertilizer. Speaker 800:24:40I know there's a bunch of things that fall under that. But how what is that what could that do to domestic demand by product or form, both opportunity and risk as you think about the CF network? Speaker 300:24:52I don't view it as a threat. I view it as an opportunity because of the first mover with low carbon ammonia as the largest ammonia supplier to corn production in North America, that's just right up our wheelhouse. And so working with the co ops, CHS, Land O'Lakes and others as well as the ethanol producers, POET, ADM, CHS, Speaker 100:25:17those are Speaker 300:25:18the people that will drive through their management area. And our area of responsibility is as we started with decarbonized product, but we have the pipeline through a terminal. It's traceable. It's producible. It's manageable. Speaker 300:25:33And so each of these steps, were getting tighter and better. And that time frame that I would have thought was longer dated is, I would think, being pulled closer. And so there is some more development. We'll be communicating this over the next quarters years, but that's where I see this going. And climate smart agriculture, regenerative agriculture, precision agriculture, there's a lot of names for this. Speaker 300:26:00A lot of this is already being utilized. Some of it incorporating, obviously, the seed companies and the crop protection. So our whole industry is working towards this future that's coming, and we're going to play a vital part of it. Speaker 600:26:18That's helpful. And if I Speaker 800:26:19could just ask a follow-up on the spring demand here. Obviously, the ammonia side of things is more complete. Can you talk about kind of where we are on UAN from a side dress and top dress perspective and kind of when you start to think that in season pull will really start to materialize? Speaker 300:26:36So we're just getting started. As we talked about, planting and product movement and field work did start early. It was a surprise in February early March and then the rainy cold weather came through in March, delaying again field work and applications and planting. And now I would say we are on a normal a good pace with very good soil moisture from the Texas Panhandle up through into Canada. So the UAN season really hasn't started. Speaker 300:27:07And we've been positioning product, utilizing our logistics team with additional toes of UAN through our terminals and our customers' terminals. And we expect that, and I would say, now going forward. And it should be fairly heavy because the opportunity, the upside, the pricing structure of where UAN is today compared against the price of corn on the forward for December at, let's say, dollars 4.60, dollars 4.70 it's attractive and we would expect with the lower volume of spring ammonia applied that will then move to UAN. Speaker 900:27:43All right. Speaker 600:27:44That's very helpful. I'll pass it on. Thank you. Operator00:27:49Thank you. The next question comes from Steve Byrne with Bank of America. Please go ahead. Speaker 1000:27:58Yes, thank you. I'd like to continue that discussion there Bert. You had production issues this year. You had less imports into the U. S. Speaker 1000:28:10China's exports of urea 1st couple of months were almost 0. We were thinking that there was going to be some strength going into the application season, but yet over the last month pricing has fallen. Just curious what you think of that? Is there been less application rates of nitrogen than maybe you expected? Or was there significant ammonia application in the fall that may have reduced some of the near term demand? Speaker 1000:28:42Or is this a shift towards UAN? Curious of your view of where that price trajectory on Slide 8 goes. Speaker 300:28:52Yes. Welcome to my confusing world because that is exactly that you've listed the dynamics that we deal with every day that really were confusing. And then just pointing to the CF system of what Tony and Chris articulated with the difficulties with the weather and the production and the maintenance issues that created on the sales side or at least the commercial side different product allocation and movements. And I give a lot of credit to our logistics team for moving that product around. But yes, when you look at the overall market, and I would have expected what you thought coming in a strengthening market or at least a firm market. Speaker 300:29:35But a lot of work has gone into detail this and you've really had some pullback in demand in some areas. I would say the EU, when you look at Italy, Germany, Belgium, France, on this year basis and on a fertilizer, you're both a fall in demand along with Mexico, Philippines and then this India tender that took place where they had a tender, had 3,000,000 tons put into the tender, announced 750,000 tons of purchases with LOIs issued and then canceled that well, not canceled, but cut it to 350,000 tons. The traders and producers that had positions allocated towards that then had to move that into the market and got aggressive. And that coupled with some additional production coming on in different places, but also India, Russia, Iran and Nigeria coming back on production because several places were limited on gas, probably overwhelmed a little bit the Q2 market. And so what we would have thought was tight inventory is probably looser inventory. Speaker 300:30:43And the U. S. Won't resolve that long, but lower prices tend to incent additional demand. So as we work through Q2, I think we'll still be in the state that where we are today with pricing probably aligned plus or minus where we are today and work towards the back half of the year. Speaker 1000:31:05Okay. Thank you for that. And just a question on the green ammonia plant that you're commissioning. Just curious if you've signed any contracts for that product and any of your partners in Japan or South Korea interested in bringing green ammonia into their facilities or do they really prefer the blue? Speaker 200:31:27Well, the volume is not really sufficient to be able to meet the application for co firing. We're only going to be able to make about 20,000 tons a year and even the smallest of the power stations is going to require somewhere in the neighborhood of 350,000. Dollars And because that is a part of a broader program with some incentives provided by the government, they are going to be, I think, focused on the most economically available low decarbonized product. And so that's going to be a blue product as opposed to green. But we are in conversations with a number of companies, particularly some companies in Europe that are focused on the extremely low carbon attributes of the green product. Speaker 200:32:27And we need to begin making it and very likely building some level of inventory for probably half a year before we've got sufficient volume to be able to ship. So more to come on that, Steve, but we're excited about being able to both start that plant up as well as what the future holds for us. Speaker 300:32:51And we're looking at 2 options. Like Tony said, as we build inventory, that could be for a vessel to a customer that wants only 0 carbon product or it could go up to one of our terminals, which our terminals are about that size, where we could isolate an area with 0 carbon ammonia, again, back to the corn value chain. So working on several different fronts at this time. Speaker 1000:33:15Very good. Thank you. Operator00:33:20Thank you. The next question comes from Josh Spector with UBS. Please go ahead. Speaker 1100:33:27Yes. Hi, good morning. So I wanted to ask on all the projects you guys are evaluating. So particularly, I guess, with JERA converting to a JDA, how many separate plants are you now considering at this point? And I guess as you look at all these separate agreements, could that combine together to be more offtakes from a smaller number of plants? Speaker 1100:33:52And would CF be interested in a very small stake and maybe more of an operator role? Or do you see yourself as requiring majority control over the facilities you built? Speaker 200:34:04Yes, Josh. While we're evaluating a couple of different projects, principally what we're looking at is different technology pathways to get us to a very low carbon intensity solution. And realistically, at least at this time, we're focused on, one plant as opposed to multiple plants. And doing the evaluation, as I said, should that be just a straight SMR? Should it be an SMR with Flue Gas Capture? Speaker 200:34:37Should it be an ATR? Kind of what's the right technology to deliver on both an OpEx and CapEx basis, the most competitive returns for us and our partners. And on the second question about the role that we would play, I think we're we are open to a variety of different structures, some of which would have us with a majority control and other structures might have us unequal footing or even as you say more of an operator of the asset, but with a smaller equity participation. So we're pretty open to different ways of structuring the agreements. And we're in those discussions at the same time as doing the technology evaluation. Speaker 200:35:27But we're really only looking at building 1 plant initially and seeing how the market develops and then we'll make some decisions as that continues moving forward. Speaker 1100:35:39Thanks. That's helpful. I guess just to clarify on my part, I guess I'm thinking about the Mitsui JV announced earlier now JERA JDA, are those just different tranches of the same plant? Those aren't 2 separate plants you're looking at then? Speaker 200:35:56Initially, they were different based on the type of technology, but certainly, it's our hope that we can find a way to have all of our partners participate in the same project and that'd be something that we can combine together and aggregate demand so that we're have a home for more rather than fewer of the tons coming off of that project. Speaker 400:36:25I would also say Josh that all three of the FEED studies that we have ongoing, the SMR, the ATR and then the flue gas, all the partners that Tony just spoke of are all participants in that even though the JDAs and the MOUs may look different. So all the partners are working collaboratively to determine what we need to do from a carbon intensity standpoint, how does that influence the technology we choose and as Tony said, and really the contract for difference and the economics that come out of that in the end. Operator00:37:01Understood. Thank you. Thank you. The next question comes from Ben Isaacson with Scotiabank. Please go ahead. Speaker 1200:37:13Thank you very much and Speaker 700:37:14good morning. Just one question from me. Tony or Bert, can you talk about the situation in Russia when it comes to nitrogen supply? If we break down ammonia, urea and nitrates, where are we right now in terms of supply? Where have we come from and where are we going? Speaker 700:37:32And I'm also referring to the pipeline that's being built right now. Thank you. Speaker 300:37:39Yes, Ben, good morning. This is Bert. And the situation in Russia is as cloudy and clear as it's ever been. So that's a little bit of a dichotomy. But it's difficult because there are some places in the world that will not accept Russian product. Speaker 300:37:56And so, there are places that are. And the largest happens to be the United States, which surprising with where we are geopolitically. But the other is the EU. And so what has happened over the last year since the invasion has been just a reorganization of the distribution channel for Russian product. So a lot goes to Brazil, a lot goes to North America or not even Canada, actually just the United States and then to Europe. Speaker 300:38:27And so with the recent restrictions on ammonium nitrate, a lot of that was stored in St. Petersburg and probably a decision or as a reflection of some of the capabilities of the Ukraine's to cause disruptions. They have canceled some of that movement or all of that movement out of those ports and are reorganizing how they'll be able to export. That has created a little bit of a shortage of ammonium nitrate in some markets. And with ammonia, you're right, The pipeline that used to go through Ukraine was stopped during the war and has been stopped and probably is not operable today through Eugenie. Speaker 300:39:11And so they have developed a new export corridor through the Port of Cayman. And they're working to get the Togliotti tons out through that. That's a Black Sea port. And that we expect to happen probably in Q3. And so going from, let's say, 500,000 tons of exports out of the Baltics, we'll probably convert to a couple of 1000000 tons, 1.5 to 2,000,000 tons probably over the next year and probably positioning that product in the Mediterranean, Morocco and different places. Speaker 300:39:42Urea and UAN, a lot of that UAN they produce comes to NOLA and the East Coast as well as Europe. And that's probably on a looking at the statistics for United States, UAN imports from Russia are up, from Trinidad they're down, but that balance of UAN is probably okay. And that's about it. I think what we're going to see out of Russia is trying to get those tons out. They've put out some export restrictions, but I think those are manageable and we'll see what happens going forward. Speaker 300:40:17Yes. I mean, I Speaker 200:40:18think to tag along on that one just for a second. It's kind of shocking and I think actually Yara made mention of this as well in their call, but what's kind of shocking is that there's been all of this focus on not funding the Russian war machine and not buying Russian gas. And yet the U. S. Is arms wide open to take urea and UAN coming out of Russia, which is effectively just natural gas that's been converted. Speaker 200:40:59And so it's the U. S. Is funding the very war effort over there that on the one hand it's condemning. So it's absolutely shocking, but I think that's not surprising given the political climate over here and the fact that we're in an election year. But you see some of that going on, I'd say in Europe as well where there's a lot of Russian nitrogen that's finding its way into Europe and it's just supplanting what used to be gas. Speaker 700:41:27And maybe just a quick follow-up on that. Can you talk about Ukraine? I mean before the invasion, I think in 2014, Ukraine was a major exporter. And where do they stand right now? Are they self sufficient? Speaker 700:41:40Are they a net importer? Speaker 300:41:43So it's actually when you take into account the acres that are planted and applied and harvested against probably the previous, let's go back, maybe not 2014 as far back, but before the war, you got a loss of acres, obviously, in the contested area, especially, which is good agricultural land. But you have several plants that are offline. And OPZ plant in Odessa that has been they're trying to I just read they're trying to bring that back up. Speaker 200:42:16Although that one was struggling economically even well prior to the war. So that one has always been sort of up and down again. Speaker 300:42:25So there are gas questions on gas supply and yes, they have imported product. And so it's a question of I think getting through the current crisis to see where we are coming out of it. Speaker 1200:42:39Thank you very much. Operator00:42:44Thank you. The next question comes from Ben Theurer with Barclays. Please go ahead. Speaker 900:42:50Hey, good morning and thanks for taking my question. Just wanted to follow-up a little bit on the global dynamics and thanks for all the comments on Russia, but coming back to China and India to a degree. So in your press release, you kind of alluded to China probably going to be back exporting some 4,000,000 tons, also India being a little more aggressive on the internal supply and you've talked about the tender and the implications. So if you think about it, those two markets coupled with what you just said on Russia, how does that kind of level set the pricing? How do you think about pricing going forward in the medium term when if cost curves stick where they are right now, just given that potential supply out of China and India on top of the Russian you just mentioned? Speaker 300:43:43Well, the good thing is it's a global market. And you have in a global market today, a lot of production in the dispersed countries and also a lot of consumption in dispersed countries. And in a growing population, a growing need to feed the world and the benefits of nitrogen for pollution control, which are growing not only in DEF but in power generation and with clean energy, you have demand. So today's let's just take urea. Today's urea market is about 55,000,000 tons of globally traded on a vessel out of about 190,000,000 tons of production. Speaker 300:44:22And so when you look at China and our number of 4,000,000 metric tons of possible exports, that's importation of urea and the support of the global urea price, but they're falling from imports of 7000000 to 9000000 tons and we're projecting 5.5000000 to 6.5 So that is being taken out of that global trade. But the countries that are growing and Brazil is growing significantly, we project them to be 8,000,000 tons. Just 15 years ago, that was around 3,000,000 tons. So the countries that are increasing, Argentina, Australia, Brazil, Ethiopia, South Africa, Turkey, Thailand, those countries have grown this year in their urea consumption. The price of urea today at around $300 is highly attractive for agricultural and production control. Speaker 300:45:19The challenge I think for India or excuse me, for China going forward is the export controls that are in place. And the new controls are such that you have to have prepayment, a shipment date, a destination, a product price and all that set up in a contract before applying for the CIQ application. And then prepayment has to take place before the cargo moves to port. So that's a very difficult transactional structure to have China, I think, even hit the 4,000,000 tons. And so I think we're a little vague in our comments because it's a little opaque right now in the market on how it's going to develop. Speaker 300:45:59But China, I think, will play in the international market once their spring season is over, and then we'll see how the pricing develops from there. Speaker 900:46:09Okay. And then just a quick follow-up on that industrial versus agriculture use, the impact you had in the Q1, that shift towards the lower profitability on the industrial use just because of fulfilling those contracts. Has that already normalized now that we're like early May, so that was really just like kind of a one time? Should we think about that volume balance to be more normal and not as skewed towards the raw ammonia because of the industrial needs? Speaker 400:46:40Yes. As we talked about, a lot of the issues that occurred in Q1 were discrete to Q1 and that those are passes both from a production and also a sales perspective. But as you mentioned, we did take 167,000 tons of what would normally have been upgraded to urea, which as I said in my remarks, would be about 275,000 tons of urea. So you see the urea decrease in sales and the increase we had in ammonia. But when you put that on a nutrient margin basis of what the quarter was for the industrial ammonia versus the ag urea, you're looking at something that was almost about a $30,000,000 margin impact. Speaker 400:47:24And that combined with that $75,000,000 of approximate maintenance expense, really is what set the quarter back. But again, can't emphasize enough that those are discrete items to Q1. Speaker 900:47:38Okay, perfect. Thank you very much. Operator00:47:43Thank you. The next question comes from Richard Garchitoreno with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead. Speaker 600:47:53Great. Thanks for taking my questions. I just wanted to ask about Wagamin. You mentioned that the facility had some downtime from weather in January. I was wondering if you can give us an update in terms of how the ramp up has been since you had closed the acquisition, integration of that asset into your facilities? Speaker 600:48:14And have you been able to get utilization rates up to sort of typical CF average levels as it was maybe lower than that prior to your ownership? Speaker 200:48:28Yes, you bet. So we had an outage and we took that opportunity to conduct the turnaround that was kind of scheduled for later in the year. And so we were able to take advantage of that downtime. But prior to that and in fact, post turnaround, we're operating at rates that reflect north of what nameplate capacity has been on that or is on that unit. And so that reflects kind of more traditional operating rates for C Alpha across our network. Speaker 200:49:08And I'd say the integration has gone remarkably well. The team at Wagamin has worked extremely well with the rest of the CF network and I think it's that kind of partnership and coordination that has led to some of the improvements we've made in terms of on stream factor and operating rate at the location. So we couldn't be more happy about the acquisition. And in fact, particularly at the value of it, given where new assets look like trading and what the cost of new construction is. So we're really pleased with, adding WAGM into the portfolio. Speaker 600:49:52Okay, great. And then just on the press release on the JDA with Jira, I'm just curious in terms of so if capacity ends up being 1,400,000 tons, JERA procurement of 500,000 tons. So how should we think about that available 900,000 tons? Is that given Jero is going to be taking potentially a 48% stake, do they get sort of percentage of that amount as well? Are you looking at as potentially merchant sales or are you looking to lock that up? Speaker 600:50:26I know you had said earlier that you basically have 4 years from decision to production. So maybe how you think about how much you want to get locked up before you get into that sort of development of that project? Thank you. Yes. Speaker 400:50:43So I think just starting, the encouraging thing is that about 500,000 tons has a home already for it. And as you mentioned, with the next 4 years and that provides a lot of opportunity to find basically sales for the remaining amount along with keeping a little bit for merchant. But the one thing with JERA is that $500,000 is just for one particular unit at their coal plant facility. They have multiple units they're looking at. In addition to that, as you look at what's going on with the JERA test right now, which is a commercial test going on, which is performing to commercial tests going on, which is performing to expectations. Speaker 400:51:30You could see other areas that JERA has within Asia also converting to a 20% ammonia injection into the coal along with some other additional players that are looking at it that Tony mentioned within Japan as well. So I think we're just on the first few innings of where that demand side goes. But I would say that we're very encouraged that we have a large portion of it already taken. Additionally, as Bert mentioned, you're just seeing more and more activity come along, whether it's through the power gen, the marine or the sustainable aviation fuel or even just on the legacy agricultural business where decarbonized product is going to have a home for from a supply standpoint. So we're pretty encouraged by what we have and what we're seeing going forward. Operator00:52:28Thank you. The next question comes from Alan Ciccarelli with Berenberg. Please go ahead. Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. Operator00:52:38I wanted to ask you in the scenario where you go ahead with both the Mitsui plant and the JERA 1 or say a combined one, how should we be thinking about your capital expenditure phasing for the next 3 to 5 years? Thank you. Speaker 200:52:54Yes. So I think as Chris mentioned in our last earnings call, the FEED study for an SMR, steam methane reformer, kind of a copy of Ammonia 6 at Donaldsonville was about $2,500,000,000 and then there would be roughly another $500,000,000 for scalable infrastructure that could be leveraged against additional plants on-site. So all in for the first one, it would be circa $3,000,000,000 Now, that does not include if it was required, flue gas capture and, we are still in the middle of a FEED study to evaluate what it would look like to do an auto thermal reformer or an ATR. And so, more to come in terms of what the cost of a different approach or different technologies are. But if we had both, let's say, JERA Speaker 700:54:00and Speaker 200:54:01Mitsui and CF kind of all aligned on one particular project and it was a third, a third, a third that would be kind of a $1,000,000,000 per company to do the SMR spent over, call it 4 ish type of years. Now if it's 50% for us and and 50% for somebody else, then that increases to $1,500,000,000 it just kind of scales appropriately. But it's in that order of magnitude and it's spread over 4 to 5 years of cash outflow. So while it's a meaningful amount of cash compared to the amount of free cash that we're generating, we still have plenty of free cash available to be able to return cash to shareholders in the form of dividend and share repurchases. So it's not going to impede us from being able Operator00:55:13Thank you very much. Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, that is all the time we have for questions for today. I would like to turn the call back to Martin Jarosick for closing remarks. Speaker 100:55:30Thanks everyone for joining us today, and we look forward to seeing you on at upcoming conferences. Operator00:55:39Thank you. The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.Read morePowered by