NASDAQ:PAVM PAVmed Q1 2024 Earnings Report $0.73 -0.04 (-5.26%) Closing price 03:57 PM EasternExtended Trading$0.74 +0.02 (+2.19%) As of 07:24 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings HistoryForecast PAVmed EPS ResultsActual EPS-$0.99Consensus EPS N/ABeat/MissN/AOne Year Ago EPSN/APAVmed Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$1.01 millionExpected RevenueN/ABeat/MissN/AYoY Revenue GrowthN/APAVmed Announcement DetailsQuarterQ1 2024Date5/13/2024TimeN/AConference Call DateTuesday, May 14, 2024Conference Call Time8:30AM ETUpcoming EarningsPAVmed's Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Thursday, May 15, 2025, with a conference call scheduled on Tuesday, May 13, 2025 at 8:30 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by PAVmed Q1 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMay 14, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 6 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00This call is being recorded on Tuesday, May 14, 2024. I would now like to turn the conference over to Matt Reilly, Director of Investor Relations. Operator00:00:09Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:15Thank you, operator, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for participating in today's business update call. Joining me today on the call are Doctor. Lishan Aklog, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of PAVmed along with Dennis McGrath, Chief Financial Officer of PAVmed. The press release announcing our business update and financial results is available on PAVmed's website. Speaker 100:00:36Please take a moment to read the disclaimers about forward looking statements in the press release. The business update, press release and the conference call all include forward looking statements, and these forward looking statements are subject to known and unknown risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from statements made. Factors that could cause actual results to differ are described in the disclaimer and in our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. For a list and a description of these and other important risks and uncertainties that may affect future operations, see Part 1, Item 1A entitled Risk Factors and PAVmed's most recent annual report on Forms 10 ks filed with the SEC and any subsequent updates filed in Quarterly Reports on Forms 10 Q and subsequent Forms 8 ks. Except as required by law, PAVmed disclaims any intentions or obligations to publicly update or revise any forward looking statements to reflect changes in expectations or in events, conditions or circumstances on which the expectations may be based or that may affect the likelihood that the actual results will differ from those contained in the forward looking statements. Speaker 100:01:45I would now like to turn the call over to Doctor. Lishan Aklog, Chairman and CEO of PAVmed. Lishan, you can take it away. Speaker 200:01:52Thank you, Matt, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining our PAVmed quarterly update call. Before proceeding, I'd like to thank our long term shareholders for ongoing support and commitment. We continue to leave no stone unturned to enhance long term shareholder value. We continue to be pleased that Lucid, PAVmed's strongest and most advanced asset, is making such great commercial progress and it continues to successfully finance its operations through long term fundamental investors. Speaker 200:02:17Lucid has a runway to advance through key upcoming reimbursement milestones on its pathway to profitability. As we discussed during our last call, we have updated PAVmed's overall strategy to drive shareholder value through independently financed subsidiaries, which like Lucid can leverage PAVmed's shared infrastructures. Initiatives we announced in furtherance of this strategy, specifically Verus' updated commercial strategy and the PMX incubator are progressing well. Let's begin with some highlights starting with Lucid. As we noted in yesterday's Lucid quarterly update call, Q1 EsoGuard revenue was flat quarterly. Speaker 200:02:541st quarter test volume grew 10% quarter on quarter. Lucid further strengthened the EsoGuard clinical data evidence base, supporting ongoing engagement to secure commercial and Medicare payer coverage. Very importantly, a date for a MolDX pre submission meeting was secured for July 17, 2024. On Verus Health, we are as I mentioned, we're executing on our new strategy, which is focusing on large academic cancer centers and very excited that we were able to complete a memorandum of understanding with the Ohio State James Cancer Hospital to implement a pilot program enrolling their onto our Verus cancer care platform. We have made solid progress on pursuing financing of Verus and we have a clear path to FDA clearance of our implantable monitoring pending independent financing. Speaker 200:03:39The PMX incubator launched last quarter and as we reported last time, it's a wholly incubator, which we developed in partnership with Hatch Medical. Our first target is to raise capital for PortIO, and we've done so by creating a separate entity for PortIO as a wholly owned subsidiary of the incubator. I'll talk about that in more detail shortly. I hinted at the strategy and we'll refer to it again here and just summarize what PAVmed's strategy is. It's consistent with its overall vision, but with some adjustments. Speaker 200:04:12Our strategy is to drive shareholder value through holdings and independently finance subsidiaries like Verus, Lucid and PMX PortIO that are managed through a shared services structure that is held at the padmap level. Our strategy is to follow the successful Lucid path and seek financing opportunities directly into Verus and the subsidiaries based on the PMX Technologies and future subsidiaries. We're also actively seeking out new groundbreaking independently financeable technologies with large market opportunities that are agnostic of sector to leverage PAVmed infrastructure and we are hope to announce such a transaction in the not too distant future. The PAVmed's corporate infrastructure is as shown here. PAVmed has the shared services infrastructure on behalf of its subsidiaries, Lucid Diagnostics, Verus Health, the PMX Incubator, which houses now PortIO and other technologies in the medical device space and then potentially and hopefully other technologies that we can acquire a license and finance. Speaker 200:05:22So just a very brief couple of highlights on Lucid. I would encourage you to refer to the webinar from yesterday as well as the press release on for further details. As I mentioned in my opening, we're happy with the progress that Lucid has made on the EsoGuard front. You can see here on this slide that revenue was flat from quarter to quarter at about $1,000,000 as and test volume bumped up about 10%. And we are now we are continuing our efforts with a fixed sales force to maintain our test volume in that approximate range and drive revenue growth through realization of revenue with our reimbursement strategies and our revenue cycle management. Speaker 200:06:02Two highlights that we discussed yesterday. We're making great progress with our CYC events. We have 32 events and we have now have a centralized telehealth operation. We have a very robust pipeline of direct contract engagements with various entities with whom we can contract directly and are looking forward to executing on those contracts in the coming quarters. Our revenue cycle management process and infrastructure continues to improve. Speaker 200:06:27Dennis will talk about the numbers later, but a variety of improvements including proceeding with some prior authorization infrastructure on appeals, physician advocacy and so forth. And we're happy that the out of network allowed amounts continue to average a robust $1800 As we mentioned yesterday, we strengthened our balance sheet, completing just under $30,000,000 of our Series B preferred offering. 2 really important highlights from this past quarter was a peer reviewed publication of positive data from the landmark National Cancer Institute sponsored clinical validation study or the BETTERNET study of EsoGuard. And the data is really shows unprecedented results in early pre cancer detection. Based on the fact that we believe we now have sufficient data to move forward, we secured a July 17 meeting with the MolDX group to review our data for future submission of a technical assessment to seek coverage for EsoGuard under its foundational LCD. Speaker 200:07:29On the market access side, there's a lot of activity across the board, both with regional plans and national plans, but a big area of focus right now is to secure, coverage, particularly from regional plans in biomarker legislation states and that's giving us good leverage to do so. Let's now move on to Verus. For those of you who are not familiar with the Verus story, Verus Health, Padme's subsidiary is a commercial stage digital health company, which seeks to enhance personalized cancer care through digital tools, including the Verus Cancer Care platform, which has a smartphone app for a cancer patient as well as a platform for the clinicians through which the physiologic parameters are measured and sent to the physicians to enhance their care. We also have an implantable monitor that's under development that will provide ongoing physiologic data without the need for patient input. The overall mission is to utilize these modern remote patient monitoring tools to improve care through early detection of complications, longitudinal trends and risk management. Speaker 200:08:36As I previously noted, we updated our strategy for Verus to shift from cancer practices to large cancer centers, including academic cancer centers. And we're really excited that we've had our first memorandum of understanding signed with the Ohio State University Comprehensive Cancer Center at the James Hospital. Now this is an NCI designated comprehensive cancer center. It's the 3rd largest cancer hospital in the nation. They have over 10,000 patients per year who receive infusion therapy, which is the primary target for us. Speaker 200:09:07And we're looking forward to launching a pilot of the Verus cancer care platform in approximately 100 patients. We expect this to launch imminently. We're actively raising capital triggered by the announcement of this engagement and look forward to consummating that soon. We also remain engaged with numerous other strategic institutions, numerous other centers like The James. These are centers that have large staffs, large number of patients on infusion therapy are typically concentrated in metropolitan areas. Speaker 200:09:37We focus on those that are also NCI designated as comprehensive cancer centers and many of these have venture arms as those The Ohio State University chains. To mention the key part of our long term vision with Verus is to as an implantable monitor that's intended to be implanted at the time of the vascular access port, which provides continuous cardiac monitoring and also the relaying of additional data through Bluetooth connectivity to the platform. And we have made excellent progress on this. We have a clear path to FDA clearance and commercial launch and we will proceed with that development and process towards FDA submission once we secure independent financing. The implantable monitor is important for the long term value of the platform because it assures 100% patient compliance with the RPM billing requirements. Speaker 200:10:31Finally, let's discuss the PMX incubator, which we announced last quarter. TMX is an incubator that was created in partnership with our colleagues at Hatch Medical. And the idea here is to take individual products that we had previously put on pause in 2023 and bring them into individual subsidiaries and raise individual capital for them to advance them to commercialization. Our first target is PortIO, and we've established a separate corporate entity as a subsidiary of the incubator, or a corp that is now actively raising capital to advance its project. Those of you who've been with PadMed for a while and know PortIO, but let me give you a deeper introduction for those of you who don't. Speaker 200:11:20PortIO is the 1st implantable intraosseous, which means into the bone marrow, a vascular access device that's designed for long term use, provides direct long term access to the bone marrow and it's analogous to long term implantable vascular access ports, as you can see on the bottom right there, typical ports that patients with chemotherapy would get. The key feature, is because it is inserted into the bone marrow is that it's maintenance free and therefore it has no costly or labor intensive flushing requirements as do every other long term vascular access port. We expect it will have reduced complications, including reduced infection rates relative to traditional venous access. And this addresses a very large unmet clinical need and a large diverse target population, particularly those who have patients who have poor veins and those in renal failure in whom their veins need to be preserved for future dialysis access. We expect across the spectrum of these the target population that the total addressable market is upwards of $3,000,000,000 We have robust IP protection. Speaker 200:12:25And prior to putting the project on pause, we had completed our 1st in human study in Colombia, South America and had excellent results with no complications and excellent function of the implantable port. We have a clear path to FDA. We've had a long engagement with them through the de novo pathway following the completion of an IDE study. That study would begin upon submission of a final protocol to FDA once we have procured the financing to do so. The target margins for this technology is at least 85% and we expect it to be reimbursed under existing codes for insertion of vascular access devices. Speaker 200:13:07With that, I'll pass the baton on to Dennis to give us a financial update. Speaker 300:13:12Thanks, Lishan, and good morning, everyone. Our summary financial results for the Q1 were reported in our press release that was published last night. On the next three slides, I'll emphasize a few key highlights from the quarter, but I encourage you to consider those remarks in the context of the full disclosures covered in our quarterly report on Form 10 Q. With regard to the balance sheet, cash at quarter end March 31 was $25,500,000 We added $11,600,000 to that amount with the Lucid financing completed last week for pro form a cash of 37,100,000 dollars The average quarterly burn rate for the trailing 4 quarters is $11,700,000 per quarter. We disclosed in the 10 Q that our ability to fund operations beyond 1 year from today is largely dependent upon how revenues ramp over the next 4 quarters, which is dependent upon how the reimbursement landscape for both government and private health insurers continues to improve for EsoGuard. Speaker 300:14:16Additionally, our direct contracting efforts with self insured employers and or corporate finance activities, including refinancing any outstanding debt at the time, can also work to exceed that threshold. Furthermore, as we advance the initiatives both with PMX Incubator and Verus Health, particularly in connection with the Ohio State University Cancer Care Center, any direct financing into either of these subsidiaries will further satisfy that threshold. The change in other assets is largely related to the normal amortization of certain intangibles, the prepaid insurance, the application of advanced vendor deposits to the current period incurred expenses. Convertible debt. The convertible note, the balance reflects $37,300,000 in face value principle, plus $8,200,000 in fair value accounting convention, a non cash amount. Speaker 300:15:14The face value principal is split between PAVN and Lucid at approximately $26,400,000 $10,900,000 respectively. During the Q1, base value principal was reduced by about $400,000 inclusive of the issuance of approximately 113,000 PAVmed common shares. Subsequent to quarter end, an additional $280,000 of face value principal was paid inclusive of an additional 113,000 PAVmed common shares. Other long term liabilities are from capitalized leases related to our lab and office spaces. Shares outstanding including unvested RSAs as of last week are 9,400,000. Speaker 300:16:02The GAAP outstanding shares of 8,900,000 are reflected on the slide as well as the face of the balance sheet in the 10 Q. GAAP shares, they do not reflect unvested RSA amounts. With regard to the P and L, this slide compares this year's Q1 to last year's Q1 on certain key items. Trust you will review the information in my comments in light of the cautionary disclosure at the bottom of the slide about supplemental information, particularly non GAAP information. Revenue for the Q1 largely reflects Lucid actual cash collections for the quarter for insurance reimbursable claims plus invoiced EsoGuard test to the VA and about $25,000 in direct contracting plus invoiced amounts about $9,000 for the Verus Cancer Care platform. Speaker 300:16:54As detailed in our Lucid quarterly call yesterday, recognized Lucid revenue just over $1,000,000 is sequentially about even with the 4th quarter and reflects more than a twofold increase over the prior year Q1 and is in line with what was previously previewed. Test volume at 2,420 tests for the quarter represent just over $6,000,000 in submitted claims for the Q1 at our $2,499 ASP. Lucid revenue recognition, a key determinant is the probability of collection. Therefore, due to the fact that we're in the early stages of the reimbursement process, means revenue recognition for claims submitted to traditional government or private health insurers will be recognized when the claim is actually collected versus when the patient report is invoiced and submitted for reimbursement. As you'll see in our 10 Q, this is called variable consideration, the jargon of GAAP's ASC 606 revenue recognition guidelines and presently there is insufficient predictive data to reflect revenue when the test report is delivered to the referring physician. Speaker 300:18:02That will occur in time. For billable amounts contracted directly with employers that are fixed and determinable will be recognized as revenue when the contracted service is delivered. Generally that means when the report is delivered to the referring physician. Our non GAAP loss for the Q1 of 8,600,000 dollars reflects about a $2,000,000 sequential improvement compared to the 4th quarter loss and about a $2,500,000 improvement year over year from the prior year quarter. With regard to the non GAAP operating expenses on this slide, you'll see a graphic illustration of our operating expenses over time as presented and in detail in our press release. Speaker 300:18:46Total non GAAP operating expense is $12,600,000 for the Q1 of 2024 and reflects a $2,200,000 improvement sequentially and $2,400,000 improvement year over year. Clinical research costs are the primary driver for the Q1 reduction, amounting to approximately $1,700,000 of the reduced spend since the Q4. The non GAAP loss per share for the Q1 was $0.99 per share. On a GAAP EPS basis, non cash charges accounted for approximately $1.63 per share in the Q1 of which $0.86 was directly related to the non cash deemed dividend connected to the March financing of $18,200,000 and $0.52 per share was related to the convertible debt charges. Also worthy of repeating are some reimbursement stats as mentioned on the Lucid call yesterday. Speaker 300:19:48Focusing the reimbursement stats for the last two quarters, the Q1 and the Q4 of last year. 3,975 claims, just under 4,000 claims, representing just under $10,000,000 in pro form a revenue have been submitted for reimbursement. About 75% have been adjudicated, 25% are pending. Out of the 75% that have been adjudicated, about 46%, just about half resulted in an allowable amount by the insurance company with a mean average of about $1700 per test and with a longer aging time, the 6 month horizon with appeals, approximately $1800 per test. Of those denied, about 53% are deemed not medically necessary or require a prior authorization. Speaker 300:20:36About 28% were deemed to be non covered. So with that, operator, let's open it up for questions. Operator00:20:45Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question and answer Your first question comes from the line of Anthony Vendetti from Maxim Group. Your line is now open. Please ask your question. Speaker 300:21:22Good morning, Anthony. Hi, Anthony. Speaker 400:21:24Good morning, Ted. Good morning, Alicia. Just on the memorandum of understanding with Ohio State, what are the milestones or expectations for that to go to some type of definitive agreement? And then how many others like Ohio State do you have in the pipeline at this point? Thank you. Speaker 200:21:50Yes, great question. So let me just backtrack a little bit chronologically. So we've had really fruitful discussions with the full team at Ohio State. There's a real strong shared vision for the role of digital health tools in advancing cancer care that go frankly beyond the initial efforts within remote patient monitoring. Lots of discussions around long term goals and opportunities to collaborate beyond this. Speaker 200:22:22We're going to still wait the memorandum of understanding focuses on a pilot study we expect to launch in the coming weeks. And it will involve up to 100 patients in 2 units within the medical center. And the goals really for the pilot are to really demonstrate feasibility, to demonstrate the key elements of this platform, which is getting patients on the platform, getting them connected to the monitoring tools through Bluetooth, making sure that the data is making it to the physicians and the other caretakers. And it's able to provide the information to impact care. We look forward following that to upon completion of RFP that's currently active to hopefully expand that beyond to the full engagement on the commercial side. Speaker 200:23:27So the answer is really that the pilot is intended to just demonstrate feasibility, but our goal is to advance the partnership to cover an increasing number of the patients within the platform. And then ultimately to work collaboratively on innovation in this space, which again is something that was really the centerpiece of our conversations with them and effort to engage. We have about a half a dozen other large centers that we have active conversations with, several of whom are advancing to more fulsome conversations. We I think as we described, we're working we're operating under a strategy where Verus is raising capital in order to expand its efforts beyond the initial sites. And so we expect to advance these individual centers after demonstrating feasibility here and being able to raise capital in order to advance beyond that. Speaker 400:24:31Okay. Thanks a lot. I will appreciate the color. I'll hop back in the queue. Thank you. Speaker 300:24:37Thanks, Anthony. Operator00:24:41Your next question comes from the line of Frank Tafkinen from Lake Street Capital Markets. Your line is now open. Please ask your question. Speaker 500:24:51Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Just one more follow-up on the Ohio State MOU. Speaker 500:24:59Maybe walk us through what the total revenue opportunity looks like. I understand you're going into a pilot, but how large is their cancer center? And if you were to be successful in that pilot and Speaker 200:25:10roll it Speaker 500:25:10out across that entire network through Ohio State, what kind of revenue opportunity could that look like? And then as a second part to that question, how should we think about how many players are out there similar to Ohio State that you could partner with? Speaker 200:25:26Yes. I can answer that at a high level. Let me sort of start from the latter and maybe work more specifically. So a significant portion of cancer care, particularly the kinds of patients who we're targeting, but the various cancer care platform, which are those that are diagnosed with and are entering what's called systemic therapy, which usually means infusion therapy. We do have a vision to go beyond that, but that's the initial target. Speaker 200:25:54So a reasonable portion of those patients across the country are cared for at large comprehensive cancer centers like such as Ohio State the Ohio State James Hospital. They, as I mentioned, have 10,000 patients who are in infusion therapy. And so when this hopefully transitions from this pilot program into a full program, we'll have the opportunity to expand the engagement to include an increasing proportion of those patients. Stepping back as we've talked before and not specific to Ohio State, but with regard to the platform as it's designed now, we have the remote patient monitoring billing opportunities for an individual center are such that our recurring revenue service model that we provide provides an opportunity with approximately $1,000 to $1200 per patient per year. And so I think I'll leave it at that high level for now, Frank. Speaker 200:27:02It's the revenue opportunity is substantial. These large centers, this is why we transitioned from smaller practices to large centers because frankly, it's a more efficient engagement. It's got a bit of additional lead time and additional work to get there, but the strategic opportunities as well as the size of these centers in terms of the number of patients and the subsequent revenue opportunity are substantially greater. And we're really happy with that transition and we look forward to completing this pilot and transitioning to a commercial relationship that can yield substantially more patients on the platform and ultimately increasing revenue opportunities. Speaker 500:27:48Got it. And then the second half of that, how should we think about the opportunity of players like this? Or maybe more specifically, how should we think about your current funnel of opportunities like this? Speaker 200:28:01Yes. So as I said, we have several dozen actually on our target list. We have approximately 5 that we have engagements with, of which Ohio State is one of the largest. It's the 3rd largest in the country. And the pace of which we're not really in a position yet to say what the pace will be in terms of signing these up. Speaker 200:28:24A lot of it will depend on the success of this pilot as well as our ability to raise sufficient capital to expand our commercial activity to multiple sites concurrently. Speaker 500:28:37Perfect. And then just last one for me. I think you referenced it brief in your prepared comments. A lot of these centers have venture arms. How could some sort of strategic investment from them be structured and look like? Speaker 200:28:51Yes. We've had prior engagements beyond Verus with academic centers and you're right to highlight the fact that many large academic centers, not just in the cancer sector have venture arms and have interest in engaging in investment opportunities along side the strategic collaborations, right? Especially since, this is one of the great parts of transitioning our strategy to larger academic centers is that there's a greater opportunity for these kinds of strategic collaboration, which include opportunities to develop new products or new care platforms that have licensing opportunities and so forth. So that does provide an initiative to partner not simply on the clinical side, but also on the venture side. Each institution has different structures and strategies for their investment, but I think generically they share a common theme, which is to simply invest in the entity through these arms as a sort of a measure of a sort of a vote of confidence in the commercial potential of the partner as well as the partnership. Speaker 200:30:15And so they all vary, but at the end of the day, they're just simply investments through venture investments typically into the company. And we certainly are seeking those with the partners that we are targeting here. Speaker 500:30:28Perfect. Good color. Thanks for all that and congrats on the progress. Speaker 300:30:32Thanks, Frank. Thanks, Frank. Operator00:31:04Your next question comes from the line of Andrew from Ascendiant Capital. Your line is now open. Please ask your question. Speaker 200:31:12Good morning. Congratulations on all the progress. My question is on PortIO and the PMX incubator initiatives. Can you talk about the fundraising environment? How difficult is it or how easy it is to raise money? Speaker 200:31:28And also, is there a strategy to focus on PortIO versus EsoCare and CarpX at the same time or to do it kind of on a linear process? Yes. So potentially, I think it's always raising capital is never easy, but these are what's interesting in our engagement with Hatch is that they have somewhat different universe based on their 30 years of experience of engaging with pockets of investors, particularly on the angel side that are anxious to invest in assets like this at the bite size size, the investment size that we need to advance these products, which is not all that great. So we're very active and the process is off to a great start and we really are actually quite optimistic that we'll be able to raise the capital individually into PortIO through the partnership with the folks at Hatch who have great experience in doing so. So that's promising and we look forward to consummating that and getting started. Speaker 200:32:37As it relates to the other products that we've put into the incubator, eSecure and CarpX and potentially others. What we're pursuing is raising capital on a one at a time, but certainly not waiting to complete the project or advancing into commercialization one at a time. So they'll be staggered, but in parallel. So once we're able to raise sufficient funds to fund PortIO through commercialization, FDA submission and clearance and commercialization. Once we've raised those funds, we will move on to the next target, which would likely be eSecure and then subsequently CarpX. Speaker 200:33:18So ideally, as we continue to raise capital into each of these projects, that in the not too distant future, they will all be moving along their path towards commercialization in parallel. Great. Thanks for answering my question. I wish you guys good luck. Thank you. Speaker 200:33:37Yes. Thanks, Ed. Operator00:33:41We do not have any further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the conference back to Lishan Aklog. Speaker 200:33:50Great. So, hey, thank you all for joining today. And as always, thanks to our for all the great questions and great discussion. Hopefully, you have a sense that we're really excited that we're still in the early phases of executing on this updated PAVmed strategy that we hope in addition to the activities and successes we're having at Lucid will translate into other subsidiaries, including Verus and PMX and potentially, hopefully others that we consummate in the near future. So as always, we look forward to keeping you abreast of our progress via press releases and conference calls such as this one. Speaker 200:34:26To keep up with PAVmed, Lucid, Verus updates, I would encourage you to sign up for our e mail alerts at both the PAVmed and Lucid Investor Relations sites to follow us on social media on Twitter, LinkedIn and to contact Matt with any specific questions. So thank you very much everybody and have a great day. Operator00:34:46This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect. 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Sign up for Earnings360's daily newsletter to receive timely earnings updates on PAVmed and other key companies, straight to your email. Email Address About PAVmedPAVmed (NASDAQ:PAVM) focuses on acquiring, developing, and commercializing novel products that target unmet needs in the United States. The company's lead products include CarpX, a patented, single-use, disposable, and minimally invasive surgical device for use in the treatment of carpal tunnel syndrome; EsoCheck Esophageal Cell Collection Device, which consists of diagnostic test that serves as a testing tool for preventing esophageal adenocarcinoma deaths, through early detection of esophageal precancer in at-risk gastroesophageal reflux disease, including chronic heartburn and acid reflux or simply reflux in patients; and EsoGuard, a bisulfite-converted next-generation sequencing DNA assay performed on surface esophageal cells collected with EsoCheck. Its product pipeline also comprises EsoCure EsoCure Esophageal Ablation Device for treating dysplastic BE; PortIO, an implantable intraosseous vascular access device; and Veris cancer care platform. The company was formerly known as PAXmed Inc. and changed its name to PAVmed Inc. in April 2015. 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There are 6 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00This call is being recorded on Tuesday, May 14, 2024. I would now like to turn the conference over to Matt Reilly, Director of Investor Relations. Operator00:00:09Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:15Thank you, operator, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for participating in today's business update call. Joining me today on the call are Doctor. Lishan Aklog, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of PAVmed along with Dennis McGrath, Chief Financial Officer of PAVmed. The press release announcing our business update and financial results is available on PAVmed's website. Speaker 100:00:36Please take a moment to read the disclaimers about forward looking statements in the press release. The business update, press release and the conference call all include forward looking statements, and these forward looking statements are subject to known and unknown risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from statements made. Factors that could cause actual results to differ are described in the disclaimer and in our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. For a list and a description of these and other important risks and uncertainties that may affect future operations, see Part 1, Item 1A entitled Risk Factors and PAVmed's most recent annual report on Forms 10 ks filed with the SEC and any subsequent updates filed in Quarterly Reports on Forms 10 Q and subsequent Forms 8 ks. Except as required by law, PAVmed disclaims any intentions or obligations to publicly update or revise any forward looking statements to reflect changes in expectations or in events, conditions or circumstances on which the expectations may be based or that may affect the likelihood that the actual results will differ from those contained in the forward looking statements. Speaker 100:01:45I would now like to turn the call over to Doctor. Lishan Aklog, Chairman and CEO of PAVmed. Lishan, you can take it away. Speaker 200:01:52Thank you, Matt, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining our PAVmed quarterly update call. Before proceeding, I'd like to thank our long term shareholders for ongoing support and commitment. We continue to leave no stone unturned to enhance long term shareholder value. We continue to be pleased that Lucid, PAVmed's strongest and most advanced asset, is making such great commercial progress and it continues to successfully finance its operations through long term fundamental investors. Speaker 200:02:17Lucid has a runway to advance through key upcoming reimbursement milestones on its pathway to profitability. As we discussed during our last call, we have updated PAVmed's overall strategy to drive shareholder value through independently financed subsidiaries, which like Lucid can leverage PAVmed's shared infrastructures. Initiatives we announced in furtherance of this strategy, specifically Verus' updated commercial strategy and the PMX incubator are progressing well. Let's begin with some highlights starting with Lucid. As we noted in yesterday's Lucid quarterly update call, Q1 EsoGuard revenue was flat quarterly. Speaker 200:02:541st quarter test volume grew 10% quarter on quarter. Lucid further strengthened the EsoGuard clinical data evidence base, supporting ongoing engagement to secure commercial and Medicare payer coverage. Very importantly, a date for a MolDX pre submission meeting was secured for July 17, 2024. On Verus Health, we are as I mentioned, we're executing on our new strategy, which is focusing on large academic cancer centers and very excited that we were able to complete a memorandum of understanding with the Ohio State James Cancer Hospital to implement a pilot program enrolling their onto our Verus cancer care platform. We have made solid progress on pursuing financing of Verus and we have a clear path to FDA clearance of our implantable monitoring pending independent financing. Speaker 200:03:39The PMX incubator launched last quarter and as we reported last time, it's a wholly incubator, which we developed in partnership with Hatch Medical. Our first target is to raise capital for PortIO, and we've done so by creating a separate entity for PortIO as a wholly owned subsidiary of the incubator. I'll talk about that in more detail shortly. I hinted at the strategy and we'll refer to it again here and just summarize what PAVmed's strategy is. It's consistent with its overall vision, but with some adjustments. Speaker 200:04:12Our strategy is to drive shareholder value through holdings and independently finance subsidiaries like Verus, Lucid and PMX PortIO that are managed through a shared services structure that is held at the padmap level. Our strategy is to follow the successful Lucid path and seek financing opportunities directly into Verus and the subsidiaries based on the PMX Technologies and future subsidiaries. We're also actively seeking out new groundbreaking independently financeable technologies with large market opportunities that are agnostic of sector to leverage PAVmed infrastructure and we are hope to announce such a transaction in the not too distant future. The PAVmed's corporate infrastructure is as shown here. PAVmed has the shared services infrastructure on behalf of its subsidiaries, Lucid Diagnostics, Verus Health, the PMX Incubator, which houses now PortIO and other technologies in the medical device space and then potentially and hopefully other technologies that we can acquire a license and finance. Speaker 200:05:22So just a very brief couple of highlights on Lucid. I would encourage you to refer to the webinar from yesterday as well as the press release on for further details. As I mentioned in my opening, we're happy with the progress that Lucid has made on the EsoGuard front. You can see here on this slide that revenue was flat from quarter to quarter at about $1,000,000 as and test volume bumped up about 10%. And we are now we are continuing our efforts with a fixed sales force to maintain our test volume in that approximate range and drive revenue growth through realization of revenue with our reimbursement strategies and our revenue cycle management. Speaker 200:06:02Two highlights that we discussed yesterday. We're making great progress with our CYC events. We have 32 events and we have now have a centralized telehealth operation. We have a very robust pipeline of direct contract engagements with various entities with whom we can contract directly and are looking forward to executing on those contracts in the coming quarters. Our revenue cycle management process and infrastructure continues to improve. Speaker 200:06:27Dennis will talk about the numbers later, but a variety of improvements including proceeding with some prior authorization infrastructure on appeals, physician advocacy and so forth. And we're happy that the out of network allowed amounts continue to average a robust $1800 As we mentioned yesterday, we strengthened our balance sheet, completing just under $30,000,000 of our Series B preferred offering. 2 really important highlights from this past quarter was a peer reviewed publication of positive data from the landmark National Cancer Institute sponsored clinical validation study or the BETTERNET study of EsoGuard. And the data is really shows unprecedented results in early pre cancer detection. Based on the fact that we believe we now have sufficient data to move forward, we secured a July 17 meeting with the MolDX group to review our data for future submission of a technical assessment to seek coverage for EsoGuard under its foundational LCD. Speaker 200:07:29On the market access side, there's a lot of activity across the board, both with regional plans and national plans, but a big area of focus right now is to secure, coverage, particularly from regional plans in biomarker legislation states and that's giving us good leverage to do so. Let's now move on to Verus. For those of you who are not familiar with the Verus story, Verus Health, Padme's subsidiary is a commercial stage digital health company, which seeks to enhance personalized cancer care through digital tools, including the Verus Cancer Care platform, which has a smartphone app for a cancer patient as well as a platform for the clinicians through which the physiologic parameters are measured and sent to the physicians to enhance their care. We also have an implantable monitor that's under development that will provide ongoing physiologic data without the need for patient input. The overall mission is to utilize these modern remote patient monitoring tools to improve care through early detection of complications, longitudinal trends and risk management. Speaker 200:08:36As I previously noted, we updated our strategy for Verus to shift from cancer practices to large cancer centers, including academic cancer centers. And we're really excited that we've had our first memorandum of understanding signed with the Ohio State University Comprehensive Cancer Center at the James Hospital. Now this is an NCI designated comprehensive cancer center. It's the 3rd largest cancer hospital in the nation. They have over 10,000 patients per year who receive infusion therapy, which is the primary target for us. Speaker 200:09:07And we're looking forward to launching a pilot of the Verus cancer care platform in approximately 100 patients. We expect this to launch imminently. We're actively raising capital triggered by the announcement of this engagement and look forward to consummating that soon. We also remain engaged with numerous other strategic institutions, numerous other centers like The James. These are centers that have large staffs, large number of patients on infusion therapy are typically concentrated in metropolitan areas. Speaker 200:09:37We focus on those that are also NCI designated as comprehensive cancer centers and many of these have venture arms as those The Ohio State University chains. To mention the key part of our long term vision with Verus is to as an implantable monitor that's intended to be implanted at the time of the vascular access port, which provides continuous cardiac monitoring and also the relaying of additional data through Bluetooth connectivity to the platform. And we have made excellent progress on this. We have a clear path to FDA clearance and commercial launch and we will proceed with that development and process towards FDA submission once we secure independent financing. The implantable monitor is important for the long term value of the platform because it assures 100% patient compliance with the RPM billing requirements. Speaker 200:10:31Finally, let's discuss the PMX incubator, which we announced last quarter. TMX is an incubator that was created in partnership with our colleagues at Hatch Medical. And the idea here is to take individual products that we had previously put on pause in 2023 and bring them into individual subsidiaries and raise individual capital for them to advance them to commercialization. Our first target is PortIO, and we've established a separate corporate entity as a subsidiary of the incubator, or a corp that is now actively raising capital to advance its project. Those of you who've been with PadMed for a while and know PortIO, but let me give you a deeper introduction for those of you who don't. Speaker 200:11:20PortIO is the 1st implantable intraosseous, which means into the bone marrow, a vascular access device that's designed for long term use, provides direct long term access to the bone marrow and it's analogous to long term implantable vascular access ports, as you can see on the bottom right there, typical ports that patients with chemotherapy would get. The key feature, is because it is inserted into the bone marrow is that it's maintenance free and therefore it has no costly or labor intensive flushing requirements as do every other long term vascular access port. We expect it will have reduced complications, including reduced infection rates relative to traditional venous access. And this addresses a very large unmet clinical need and a large diverse target population, particularly those who have patients who have poor veins and those in renal failure in whom their veins need to be preserved for future dialysis access. We expect across the spectrum of these the target population that the total addressable market is upwards of $3,000,000,000 We have robust IP protection. Speaker 200:12:25And prior to putting the project on pause, we had completed our 1st in human study in Colombia, South America and had excellent results with no complications and excellent function of the implantable port. We have a clear path to FDA. We've had a long engagement with them through the de novo pathway following the completion of an IDE study. That study would begin upon submission of a final protocol to FDA once we have procured the financing to do so. The target margins for this technology is at least 85% and we expect it to be reimbursed under existing codes for insertion of vascular access devices. Speaker 200:13:07With that, I'll pass the baton on to Dennis to give us a financial update. Speaker 300:13:12Thanks, Lishan, and good morning, everyone. Our summary financial results for the Q1 were reported in our press release that was published last night. On the next three slides, I'll emphasize a few key highlights from the quarter, but I encourage you to consider those remarks in the context of the full disclosures covered in our quarterly report on Form 10 Q. With regard to the balance sheet, cash at quarter end March 31 was $25,500,000 We added $11,600,000 to that amount with the Lucid financing completed last week for pro form a cash of 37,100,000 dollars The average quarterly burn rate for the trailing 4 quarters is $11,700,000 per quarter. We disclosed in the 10 Q that our ability to fund operations beyond 1 year from today is largely dependent upon how revenues ramp over the next 4 quarters, which is dependent upon how the reimbursement landscape for both government and private health insurers continues to improve for EsoGuard. Speaker 300:14:16Additionally, our direct contracting efforts with self insured employers and or corporate finance activities, including refinancing any outstanding debt at the time, can also work to exceed that threshold. Furthermore, as we advance the initiatives both with PMX Incubator and Verus Health, particularly in connection with the Ohio State University Cancer Care Center, any direct financing into either of these subsidiaries will further satisfy that threshold. The change in other assets is largely related to the normal amortization of certain intangibles, the prepaid insurance, the application of advanced vendor deposits to the current period incurred expenses. Convertible debt. The convertible note, the balance reflects $37,300,000 in face value principle, plus $8,200,000 in fair value accounting convention, a non cash amount. Speaker 300:15:14The face value principal is split between PAVN and Lucid at approximately $26,400,000 $10,900,000 respectively. During the Q1, base value principal was reduced by about $400,000 inclusive of the issuance of approximately 113,000 PAVmed common shares. Subsequent to quarter end, an additional $280,000 of face value principal was paid inclusive of an additional 113,000 PAVmed common shares. Other long term liabilities are from capitalized leases related to our lab and office spaces. Shares outstanding including unvested RSAs as of last week are 9,400,000. Speaker 300:16:02The GAAP outstanding shares of 8,900,000 are reflected on the slide as well as the face of the balance sheet in the 10 Q. GAAP shares, they do not reflect unvested RSA amounts. With regard to the P and L, this slide compares this year's Q1 to last year's Q1 on certain key items. Trust you will review the information in my comments in light of the cautionary disclosure at the bottom of the slide about supplemental information, particularly non GAAP information. Revenue for the Q1 largely reflects Lucid actual cash collections for the quarter for insurance reimbursable claims plus invoiced EsoGuard test to the VA and about $25,000 in direct contracting plus invoiced amounts about $9,000 for the Verus Cancer Care platform. Speaker 300:16:54As detailed in our Lucid quarterly call yesterday, recognized Lucid revenue just over $1,000,000 is sequentially about even with the 4th quarter and reflects more than a twofold increase over the prior year Q1 and is in line with what was previously previewed. Test volume at 2,420 tests for the quarter represent just over $6,000,000 in submitted claims for the Q1 at our $2,499 ASP. Lucid revenue recognition, a key determinant is the probability of collection. Therefore, due to the fact that we're in the early stages of the reimbursement process, means revenue recognition for claims submitted to traditional government or private health insurers will be recognized when the claim is actually collected versus when the patient report is invoiced and submitted for reimbursement. As you'll see in our 10 Q, this is called variable consideration, the jargon of GAAP's ASC 606 revenue recognition guidelines and presently there is insufficient predictive data to reflect revenue when the test report is delivered to the referring physician. Speaker 300:18:02That will occur in time. For billable amounts contracted directly with employers that are fixed and determinable will be recognized as revenue when the contracted service is delivered. Generally that means when the report is delivered to the referring physician. Our non GAAP loss for the Q1 of 8,600,000 dollars reflects about a $2,000,000 sequential improvement compared to the 4th quarter loss and about a $2,500,000 improvement year over year from the prior year quarter. With regard to the non GAAP operating expenses on this slide, you'll see a graphic illustration of our operating expenses over time as presented and in detail in our press release. Speaker 300:18:46Total non GAAP operating expense is $12,600,000 for the Q1 of 2024 and reflects a $2,200,000 improvement sequentially and $2,400,000 improvement year over year. Clinical research costs are the primary driver for the Q1 reduction, amounting to approximately $1,700,000 of the reduced spend since the Q4. The non GAAP loss per share for the Q1 was $0.99 per share. On a GAAP EPS basis, non cash charges accounted for approximately $1.63 per share in the Q1 of which $0.86 was directly related to the non cash deemed dividend connected to the March financing of $18,200,000 and $0.52 per share was related to the convertible debt charges. Also worthy of repeating are some reimbursement stats as mentioned on the Lucid call yesterday. Speaker 300:19:48Focusing the reimbursement stats for the last two quarters, the Q1 and the Q4 of last year. 3,975 claims, just under 4,000 claims, representing just under $10,000,000 in pro form a revenue have been submitted for reimbursement. About 75% have been adjudicated, 25% are pending. Out of the 75% that have been adjudicated, about 46%, just about half resulted in an allowable amount by the insurance company with a mean average of about $1700 per test and with a longer aging time, the 6 month horizon with appeals, approximately $1800 per test. Of those denied, about 53% are deemed not medically necessary or require a prior authorization. Speaker 300:20:36About 28% were deemed to be non covered. So with that, operator, let's open it up for questions. Operator00:20:45Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question and answer Your first question comes from the line of Anthony Vendetti from Maxim Group. Your line is now open. Please ask your question. Speaker 300:21:22Good morning, Anthony. Hi, Anthony. Speaker 400:21:24Good morning, Ted. Good morning, Alicia. Just on the memorandum of understanding with Ohio State, what are the milestones or expectations for that to go to some type of definitive agreement? And then how many others like Ohio State do you have in the pipeline at this point? Thank you. Speaker 200:21:50Yes, great question. So let me just backtrack a little bit chronologically. So we've had really fruitful discussions with the full team at Ohio State. There's a real strong shared vision for the role of digital health tools in advancing cancer care that go frankly beyond the initial efforts within remote patient monitoring. Lots of discussions around long term goals and opportunities to collaborate beyond this. Speaker 200:22:22We're going to still wait the memorandum of understanding focuses on a pilot study we expect to launch in the coming weeks. And it will involve up to 100 patients in 2 units within the medical center. And the goals really for the pilot are to really demonstrate feasibility, to demonstrate the key elements of this platform, which is getting patients on the platform, getting them connected to the monitoring tools through Bluetooth, making sure that the data is making it to the physicians and the other caretakers. And it's able to provide the information to impact care. We look forward following that to upon completion of RFP that's currently active to hopefully expand that beyond to the full engagement on the commercial side. Speaker 200:23:27So the answer is really that the pilot is intended to just demonstrate feasibility, but our goal is to advance the partnership to cover an increasing number of the patients within the platform. And then ultimately to work collaboratively on innovation in this space, which again is something that was really the centerpiece of our conversations with them and effort to engage. We have about a half a dozen other large centers that we have active conversations with, several of whom are advancing to more fulsome conversations. We I think as we described, we're working we're operating under a strategy where Verus is raising capital in order to expand its efforts beyond the initial sites. And so we expect to advance these individual centers after demonstrating feasibility here and being able to raise capital in order to advance beyond that. Speaker 400:24:31Okay. Thanks a lot. I will appreciate the color. I'll hop back in the queue. Thank you. Speaker 300:24:37Thanks, Anthony. Operator00:24:41Your next question comes from the line of Frank Tafkinen from Lake Street Capital Markets. Your line is now open. Please ask your question. Speaker 500:24:51Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Just one more follow-up on the Ohio State MOU. Speaker 500:24:59Maybe walk us through what the total revenue opportunity looks like. I understand you're going into a pilot, but how large is their cancer center? And if you were to be successful in that pilot and Speaker 200:25:10roll it Speaker 500:25:10out across that entire network through Ohio State, what kind of revenue opportunity could that look like? And then as a second part to that question, how should we think about how many players are out there similar to Ohio State that you could partner with? Speaker 200:25:26Yes. I can answer that at a high level. Let me sort of start from the latter and maybe work more specifically. So a significant portion of cancer care, particularly the kinds of patients who we're targeting, but the various cancer care platform, which are those that are diagnosed with and are entering what's called systemic therapy, which usually means infusion therapy. We do have a vision to go beyond that, but that's the initial target. Speaker 200:25:54So a reasonable portion of those patients across the country are cared for at large comprehensive cancer centers like such as Ohio State the Ohio State James Hospital. They, as I mentioned, have 10,000 patients who are in infusion therapy. And so when this hopefully transitions from this pilot program into a full program, we'll have the opportunity to expand the engagement to include an increasing proportion of those patients. Stepping back as we've talked before and not specific to Ohio State, but with regard to the platform as it's designed now, we have the remote patient monitoring billing opportunities for an individual center are such that our recurring revenue service model that we provide provides an opportunity with approximately $1,000 to $1200 per patient per year. And so I think I'll leave it at that high level for now, Frank. Speaker 200:27:02It's the revenue opportunity is substantial. These large centers, this is why we transitioned from smaller practices to large centers because frankly, it's a more efficient engagement. It's got a bit of additional lead time and additional work to get there, but the strategic opportunities as well as the size of these centers in terms of the number of patients and the subsequent revenue opportunity are substantially greater. And we're really happy with that transition and we look forward to completing this pilot and transitioning to a commercial relationship that can yield substantially more patients on the platform and ultimately increasing revenue opportunities. Speaker 500:27:48Got it. And then the second half of that, how should we think about the opportunity of players like this? Or maybe more specifically, how should we think about your current funnel of opportunities like this? Speaker 200:28:01Yes. So as I said, we have several dozen actually on our target list. We have approximately 5 that we have engagements with, of which Ohio State is one of the largest. It's the 3rd largest in the country. And the pace of which we're not really in a position yet to say what the pace will be in terms of signing these up. Speaker 200:28:24A lot of it will depend on the success of this pilot as well as our ability to raise sufficient capital to expand our commercial activity to multiple sites concurrently. Speaker 500:28:37Perfect. And then just last one for me. I think you referenced it brief in your prepared comments. A lot of these centers have venture arms. How could some sort of strategic investment from them be structured and look like? Speaker 200:28:51Yes. We've had prior engagements beyond Verus with academic centers and you're right to highlight the fact that many large academic centers, not just in the cancer sector have venture arms and have interest in engaging in investment opportunities along side the strategic collaborations, right? Especially since, this is one of the great parts of transitioning our strategy to larger academic centers is that there's a greater opportunity for these kinds of strategic collaboration, which include opportunities to develop new products or new care platforms that have licensing opportunities and so forth. So that does provide an initiative to partner not simply on the clinical side, but also on the venture side. Each institution has different structures and strategies for their investment, but I think generically they share a common theme, which is to simply invest in the entity through these arms as a sort of a measure of a sort of a vote of confidence in the commercial potential of the partner as well as the partnership. Speaker 200:30:15And so they all vary, but at the end of the day, they're just simply investments through venture investments typically into the company. And we certainly are seeking those with the partners that we are targeting here. Speaker 500:30:28Perfect. Good color. Thanks for all that and congrats on the progress. Speaker 300:30:32Thanks, Frank. Thanks, Frank. Operator00:31:04Your next question comes from the line of Andrew from Ascendiant Capital. Your line is now open. Please ask your question. Speaker 200:31:12Good morning. Congratulations on all the progress. My question is on PortIO and the PMX incubator initiatives. Can you talk about the fundraising environment? How difficult is it or how easy it is to raise money? Speaker 200:31:28And also, is there a strategy to focus on PortIO versus EsoCare and CarpX at the same time or to do it kind of on a linear process? Yes. So potentially, I think it's always raising capital is never easy, but these are what's interesting in our engagement with Hatch is that they have somewhat different universe based on their 30 years of experience of engaging with pockets of investors, particularly on the angel side that are anxious to invest in assets like this at the bite size size, the investment size that we need to advance these products, which is not all that great. So we're very active and the process is off to a great start and we really are actually quite optimistic that we'll be able to raise the capital individually into PortIO through the partnership with the folks at Hatch who have great experience in doing so. So that's promising and we look forward to consummating that and getting started. Speaker 200:32:37As it relates to the other products that we've put into the incubator, eSecure and CarpX and potentially others. What we're pursuing is raising capital on a one at a time, but certainly not waiting to complete the project or advancing into commercialization one at a time. So they'll be staggered, but in parallel. So once we're able to raise sufficient funds to fund PortIO through commercialization, FDA submission and clearance and commercialization. Once we've raised those funds, we will move on to the next target, which would likely be eSecure and then subsequently CarpX. Speaker 200:33:18So ideally, as we continue to raise capital into each of these projects, that in the not too distant future, they will all be moving along their path towards commercialization in parallel. Great. Thanks for answering my question. I wish you guys good luck. Thank you. Speaker 200:33:37Yes. Thanks, Ed. Operator00:33:41We do not have any further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the conference back to Lishan Aklog. Speaker 200:33:50Great. So, hey, thank you all for joining today. And as always, thanks to our for all the great questions and great discussion. Hopefully, you have a sense that we're really excited that we're still in the early phases of executing on this updated PAVmed strategy that we hope in addition to the activities and successes we're having at Lucid will translate into other subsidiaries, including Verus and PMX and potentially, hopefully others that we consummate in the near future. So as always, we look forward to keeping you abreast of our progress via press releases and conference calls such as this one. Speaker 200:34:26To keep up with PAVmed, Lucid, Verus updates, I would encourage you to sign up for our e mail alerts at both the PAVmed and Lucid Investor Relations sites to follow us on social media on Twitter, LinkedIn and to contact Matt with any specific questions. So thank you very much everybody and have a great day. Operator00:34:46This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect. 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