NASDAQ:VYGR Voyager Therapeutics Q1 2024 Earnings Report $3.24 -0.19 (-5.54%) As of 05/9/2025 03:59 PM Eastern Earnings HistoryForecast Voyager Therapeutics EPS ResultsActual EPS-$0.20Consensus EPS -$0.44Beat/MissBeat by +$0.24One Year Ago EPSN/AVoyager Therapeutics Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$19.52 millionExpected Revenue$10.33 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$9.19 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/AVoyager Therapeutics Announcement DetailsQuarterQ1 2024Date5/13/2024TimeN/AConference Call DateMonday, May 13, 2024Conference Call Time4:30PM ETUpcoming EarningsVoyager Therapeutics' Q2 2025 earnings is scheduled for Monday, May 12, 2025Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Voyager Therapeutics Q1 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMay 13, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 14 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good afternoon, and welcome to Voyager Therapeutics First Quarter 2024 Financial Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. There will be a question and answer session at the end of this call. Please note that today's conference is being recorded. Your play of today's call will be available on the Investors section of the company's website approximately 2 hours after completion of this call. Operator00:00:20I would now like to turn the call over to Trista Morrison, Chief Corporate Affairs Officer. Speaker 100:00:26Thank you, and good afternoon. We issued our Q1 2024 financial results press release this afternoon. The press release and 10 Q are available on our website. Joining me on today's call are Doctor. Al Sandroff, our Chief Executive Officer Doctor. Speaker 100:00:42Toby Ferguson, our Chief Medical Officer and Doctor. Todd Carter, our Chief Scientific Officer. We will also be joined for the Q and A portion of the call by our Chief Operating Officer and Principal Financial Officer, Robin Swartz. Before we get started, I would like to remind everyone that during this call Voyager representatives may make forward looking statements as noted in Slide 2 of today's deck. These statements are based on our current expectations and beliefs. Speaker 100:01:11They are subject to risks and uncertainties, and our actual results may differ materially. I encourage you to consult the risk factors discussed in our SEC filings, which are available on our website. And now, I will turn the call over to Al. Speaker 200:01:26Thank you, Trista, and good afternoon, everyone. Please turn to Slide 3. I'd like to start by thanking the Voyager team for their dedication to creating transformative genetic medicines. We made tremendous progress advancing these medicines in the Q1. We just announced that we have obtained IND clearance for our anti tau antibody VY tau-one for Alzheimer's disease and we expect to announce the dosing of the first subject in a single ascending dose trial in healthy volunteers in the coming week or so. Speaker 200:02:01Our gene therapy pipeline also advanced during the quarter with development candidates selected in the GVA1 and Friedreich's ataxia programs partnered with Neurocrine. These programs along with our wholly owned SOD1 ALS program are advancing toward IND filings in 2025. In March, we appointed Doctor. Toby Ferguson as our Chief Medical Officer. Toby is an exceptional biotech executive with deep experience advancing novel therapies for CNS diseases. Speaker 200:02:36This includes tofersen, the first genetically targeted therapy to be FDA approved for SOD1 ALS and the first treatment to receive accelerated approval based on plasma neurofilament light chain response. Tobey has hit the ground running and we look forward to his leadership of our emerging clinical portfolio. In January, we announced an expansion of our relationship with Novartis through a new strategic collaboration and capsid license agreement to advance potential gene therapies for Huntington's disease and spinal muscular atrophy. This agreement together with the public offering we completed in January brought $200,000,000 of total consideration to Voyager in the Q1. This bolstered our balance sheet and extended our runway into 2027 and we expect that it will enable us to achieve multiple clinical data readouts. Speaker 200:03:35Finally, we presented a robust set of data at the recent ADPD and ASGCT meetings including data on our multiple tile targeting programs in our 2nd generation capsids. Given this significant progress, we believe Voyager is emerging as a leader in neurogenetic medicine. Our pillars of value are summarized on Slide 4. First, we have a strong pipeline of 4 wholly owned and 13 partnered programs with the first expected to enter clinical trials in the coming weeks and the potential for 3 more to follow next year. 2nd, we have an industry leading platform designed to overcome the delivery challenges inherent to CNS gene therapies. Speaker 200:04:26Our tracer platform enables us to create novel capsids that following IV delivery harness the extensive cerebral vasculature to enable widespread payload distribution across multiple brain regions and cell types. These capsids have demonstrated translatability in multiple species and have enabled the selection of multiple development candidates in our wholly owned and partnered gene therapy programs. 3rd, we have blue chip partnerships anchored by TRACER's potential to transform the treatment of CNS diseases. In addition to Neurocrine, our partners include Novartis and Alexion. In total, our partnered programs could generate up to $8,200,000,000 in longer term milestone payments. Speaker 200:05:21Finally, we continue to explore the potential to leverage receptors we have identified to shuttle non viral genetic medicines into the brain. Ultimately, we aim to expand from gene therapy and antibodies into other modalities of neurogenetic medicine, broadening our impact. With that, I'll turn the call over to Toby. Speaker 300:05:45Thank you, Al, and good afternoon. Please turn to Slide 5. This slide summarizes the 4 wholly owned programs and our 13 partner programs that Al mentioned earlier. Part of what attracted me to Voyager is that these programs are focused on targets validated by human biology and human genetics. As a drug developer and former practicing neurologist, I've dedicated my career to improving the lives of people living with neurologic diseases. Speaker 300:06:12And while our understanding of the genetic and biological basis of CNS diseases has advanced considerably. Translating that understanding to new therapies has been hindered by challenges with crossing the blood brain barrier. I believe that the progress that Voyager has made in this regard is transformative and provides an unprecedented opportunity to redefine the treatment of CNS diseases. I'm delighted to join the company as we prepare to enter the clinic and realize the full potential of our pipeline of neurogenetic medicines. Turning to Slide 6, I want to focus for a moment on 2 of our wholly owned programs that target tau. Speaker 300:06:53We believe tau is a critically important target for the treatment of Alzheimer's disease. The presence of tau pathology in the brain is a cardinal feature of AD. Further, the spread of tau pathology through the brain closely correlates with clinical decline and can be visualized with tau PET imaging. Importantly, recent third party clinical data generated using an intra clinically administered tau ASO have shown that reducing tau was associated with favorable trends on clinical outcomes. As Al mentioned, we're excited to announce that BYTau-one, our anti tau monoclonal antibody obtained IND clearance. Speaker 300:07:32And we look forward to announcing in the coming weeks initiation of a single ascending dose trial in healthy volunteers. I'll talk more about that trial in a moment. First, a bit of background on this program. BY tau-one aims to inhibit the cell to cell spread of the extracellular forms, pathological tau in the brain. In contrast to 3rd party anti tau antibody approaches that are targeted to the N terminus of tau and have been unsuccessful in the clinic, VY tau-one targets the C terminal epitope of pathological tau. Speaker 300:08:04We believe the epitope matters. In a preclinical in vivo model of tau spread, the murine surrogate of VY tau-one inhibited tau spread by approximately 70%, while N terminal directed antibodies had no significance. This indicates the negative predictive value of this model. We look forward to establishing whether or not it has positive predictive value as we advance into clinical trials. Importantly and in parallel, we are progressing a tau silencing gene therapy approach intended to inhibit the production of tau protein. Speaker 300:08:39This program deploys a tau targeted sRNA packaged into an IV administered tracer capsid. Using this approach, we've demonstrated robust reductions in tau mRNA and protein across the brain on a single IV administration in mice expressing human tau. We believe this program has the potential to provide a transformative single dose treatment for Alzheimer's disease. We anticipate filing an IND in 2026. Turning to Slide 7, as I mentioned, we anticipate the announcement dosing of the first subjects in our single ascending dose trial, VY Tau-one in the coming weeks. Speaker 300:09:17This will be a single site study in which we expect to enroll approximately 48 participants. The primary aim of the trial is to generate initial safety and PK data that will inform a subsequent multiple ascending dose trial. We expect to conduct the multiple ascending dose trial participants with early Alzheimer's disease. We expect to initiate this trial next year and generate initial Tau PET imaging data in 2026 that has the potential to show slowing of tau spread. Turning to Slide 8. Speaker 300:09:52In addition to our programs targeting tau, we are also advancing 3 gene therapy programs for which we expect to file INDs next year. They include our wholly owned SOD1 silencing program targeting the genetic cause of SOD1 ALS, the Neurocrine partner for taxane gene replacement program targeting the genetic cause of prebiotic ataxia and the Neurocrine partner GBA1 gene replacement program. Mutations in GBA1 represent both one of the most common genetic causes of Parkinson's disease as well as the cause of other GBA1 related diseases. Each of these programs leverages an IV administered blood brain barrier penetrant tracer capsid and has the potential to provide a single dose disease modifying treatment. We look forward to advancing these promising suite of programs into clinic. Speaker 300:10:41With that, I'll turn the call over to Todd. Speaker 400:10:45Thanks, Toby. Please turn to Slide 9. In support of our advancing gene therapy pipeline, we were pleased to present a robust set of data on the potential clinical translatability, manufacturing and overall performance of our tracer capsids at the American Society of Gene and Cell Therapy Annual Meeting last week. Voyager scientists presented a total of 12 abstracts at the meeting and I'd like to review a few highlights. First, we presented new data on our 2nd generation IV delivered TRACER capsids. Speaker 400:11:20This session was standing room only with a line out of the door and down the hall, which I think speaks to the high level of interest in novel capsids engineered across the blood brain barrier. Our 2nd generation capsids should further enhance blood brain barrier penetrance and reduced liver expression compared to our own 1st generation TRACER derived capsids. These 2nd gen capsids demonstrated robust transduction of 50% to 75% of cells across diverse brain regions with upwards of 95% transduction in certain T cell types, such as Purkinje neurons at a clinically relevant dose of 3x1013 vector genomes per kilogram. This also included transduction of 98% of dopaminergic neurons of the substantia nigra and over 80% of spinal motor neurons. Importantly, our TRACER capsids have enabled selection of development candidates for the 3 lead gene therapy programs that Till we just reviewed. Speaker 400:12:25We presented data at ASGCT on VY9,323, our wholly owned SOD1 silencing gene therapy, which uses a 2nd generation trasier capsid. The data demonstrated that a single IV dose of EY9,323 at the 3e13 vector genomes per kilogram dose reduced SOD1 mRNA by up to 80% in spinal cord motor neurons in non human primates. Finally, as part of our strategy to mitigate the risks of developing tracer capsid derived product candidates and maximize the probability of success in the clinic, Voyager has been working to identify the receptors that mediate the delivery of these capsids into the CNS and confirm their expression in humans. At ASGCT, we identified tissue non specific alkaline phosphatase or ALPL, formerly known as Receptor X, as the highly conserved receptor expressed on a brain vasculature that mediates the delivery of TRACER capsids, VCAP101102 across the blood brain barrier. These capsids bind human primate and murine ALPL isoforms, further strengthening our confidence in the clinical potential of TRACER capsids. Speaker 400:13:44More broadly, these data establish ALPL as a novel brain delivery shuttle And we are exploring the opportunity to leverage this receptor to deliver multiple therapeutic modalities across the blood brain barrier. We look forward to sharing these data in the future. Collectively, the data package we presented at ASGCT represents the most extensive validation to date of the potential clinical translatability of our tracer capsids. And we look forward to evaluating their ability to transform the course of a broad range of neurological diseases. I will now turn the call back over to Al. Speaker 200:14:25Thanks Todd. Turning to Slide 10, you can see Voyager has had an incredibly strong start to the year. As I mentioned before, this would not be possible without the hard work and dedication of our employees. I know many of them are listening, so I want to say again, thank you. With a robust slate of upcoming clinical milestones, a maturing partnership portfolio and cash runway into 2027, we believe Voyager is poised to drive significant value over both the near and long term. Speaker 200:15:02With that, we will open the call for questions. Operator? Operator00:15:09Thank you. At this time, we'll conduct a question and answer session. Our first question comes from the line of Joon Lee of Tru Securities. Your line is now open. Speaker 500:15:39Hi, good afternoon and congrats on the great progress. This is Mehdi on for Joon. Last week at ASGCD, you showed great data related to receptor X ALPL. So could you please elaborate on the ways that you are planning to use this knowledge for delivery of the other modalities to CNS? Specifically, do you think antisense oligos and LMPs could see similar levels of trancytosis seen with AAVs? Speaker 500:16:14Thank you. Speaker 200:16:17Yes. Thanks for the question. This is Al Sandrock. So briefly, we know that these receptors mediate the transport of these very large AAV capsids across the BBB. And what we're going to do now is to make ligands against the receptor, conjugate them to various macromolecules to see if we can get them to cross the BBB, we believe by transcytosis. Speaker 200:16:46And the range of molecules we could look at include protein therapeutics as well as oligonucleotides. And we're progressing those experiments as we speak. Todd? Speaker 400:16:59Thanks, Al. So we are looking at a variety of different modalities. As Al indicated, we're looking at antibodies, all of those other sorts of proteins. I'll mention that we're in the process of identifying ligands and we have identified some ligands and we're looking forward in the future to hopefully sharing some of those data when we're ready Speaker 300:17:20to. Appreciate it. Thank you. Operator00:17:25Thank you. One moment for next question. Our next question comes from the line of Jack Holland of Baird. Your line is now open. Speaker 600:17:40All right. Thanks so much for taking the questions and congratulations on the progress. I wanted to ask about some of the work you presented at ASH JCT around the optimization of manufacturing. How are you thinking about optimizing manufacturing before you bring candidates in the clinic with your gene therapies? And what do you expect the benefits will be as it relates to COGS of your more potent gene therapies as well? Speaker 200:18:03Well, I'll start and I'll ask Todd to help here. So we're going to be planning to use HEK293 cells to manufacture these products. We have a very robust internal technical operations team and part of the development candidate selection we assess manufacturability both as well as the downstream as well as upstream processes. And of course, we're going to be verifying percentage of full capsids, partially full capsids as well as empty capsids. And so we assess manufacturer ability as part of the development candidate selection. Speaker 200:18:47Todd? Speaker 400:18:48So as Al mentioned, we do have that manufacturability is a key component. It's actually part of our whole assessment of our novel capsids as we identify them. In each case, the payload can make a difference. So that for any given program, we have to establish the manufacturer ability with the capsid in question and the particular payload for the disease indication as well. All that goes into our assessment and we begin with research grade material and then once we develop the development candidate, then we proceed to the process development to move that into manufacturability. Speaker 400:19:26You also asked a question about COGS. And of course, it's not exactly necessarily a 1 to 1 trade off, but you can imagine as we're looking with our novel capsids that have a potency approximately about an order of magnitude greater than what the dose is currently used in the clinic, We expect to see substantial savings because we need much less material to deliver the same level or actually greater levels of delivery to the CNS than the conventional capsids. Speaker 200:19:54Yes. And I would just add, Jack, that in addition to the lower doses, what we note is that we're going to transfer the process to a CDMO for manufacturing. And the CDMO world has really come up to speed in terms of scalability. We're now seeing scale and every time you increase the scale, we actually reduce the cost. So and at the pace that it's going, we expect to see continued advancement in that area as well. Speaker 600:20:26That's great. Can I just ask one final question on that? I know we haven't really gotten this far in the gene therapy space, but how does shelf life of these products play a role when you think about the commercial applicability of these manufacturing scale here? Speaker 200:20:41Shelf life, wow, that's a question I hadn't thought about yet, but anybody on here has an answer to that? Speaker 400:20:50So our we do assess the shelf life and of course for gene therapy, we typically would need to require to be held at at particular cold temperatures. All that is part of the evaluation for stability, both short term and long term. So that's an important part of our manufacturability and our process development. Speaker 600:21:16Thank Speaker 300:21:19you. Thank you, Paul. Operator00:21:22Thank you, one moment for next question. Our next question comes from the line of Patrick Trucchio of H. C. Wainwright and Co. Your line is now open. Speaker 700:21:39Thanks. Good afternoon and congrats on all the progress. Just a couple of follow-up questions from me. The first is, I'm wondering if you can discuss any potential read through that you'll be looking for from the advisory committee meeting on June 10 regarding denenemab and Alzheimer's disease to your Alzheimer's programs? And then, separately, just a follow-up on the ASGCT data, specifically the data in human tau mouse model that showed reduction in tau mRNA levels up to 90% and 50% to 70% reduction in tau protein. Speaker 700:22:12Can you tell us how this data compare with prior generation capsids and how the data may support advancement of tau silencing gene therapy IND in 2026? Speaker 200:22:25Thanks, Patrick. I'll answer the first question and maybe I'll ask Todd to answer the second one. On the first question, while it will be a very interesting advisory committee, We do have a vectorized anti amyloid program in our pipeline as well. So we're watching that advisory committee with interest. I think a lot of the questions might be unique to Donanumab. Speaker 200:22:52It may not pertain very much to our program. Nevertheless, there might be some important features. For example, what are the outcome measures that are going to be important for approval. And of course, that's always something that we need to keep an eye on. But that's down the line for us. Speaker 200:23:13We have to get into the clinic first. But so that's the kind of thing we may be paying attention to, but it will be an interesting meeting. Todd? Speaker 400:23:23So on our tau knockdown program, the data that you're referring to, we showed some at ADPD and also at ASGCT. The knockdown in the mouse was with a mouse capable capsid. So we use that really to assess the payload and also to hopefully demonstrate and we feel that we did that it's the payload has the ability to knock down tau both mRNA and protein at a clinically relevant dose. So we think that that's what we showed in those mouse studies. With regard to the payload, we were able to see a well tolerated and safe dose in those animals delivering sufficient vector to the brain that we saw quite remarkable knockdown of the mRNA in those animals. Speaker 400:24:12So it's building that proof of concept for the knockdown and we're moving forward now and evaluating the novel capsids for non human primates and humans with the payloads in question. So we're looking forward to share more of that in the future. Speaker 700:24:29Great. Thanks so much. Operator00:24:33Thank you. One moment for next question. Our next question comes from the line of Philip Nadeau of T. Cowen. Your line is now open. Speaker 800:24:49Good afternoon. Congrats on the progress and thanks for taking our questions. First a couple on VY tau-one. Have you disclosed what doses you are going to be exploring in the single ascending dose trial? And can you talk a little bit how you're going to use the pharmacokinetic data that you gather to determine what doses should be explored in the MAD trial. Speaker 800:25:15How will you extrapolate from the single dose to the multiple doses and particularly for peripheral versus maybe crossing the blood brain barrier? Thanks. Speaker 300:25:30Thanks for the call. This is Toby. We haven't disclosed our doses, but broadly speaking, we've examined our candidates in our preclinical model of tau spread where we've shown that we see reduction by about 70% of the spread of pathologic tau in our mouse models. In addition, we've done preclinical work in primates. I think and fundamentally this is a single ascending dose study in about 48 patients over multiple cohorts. Speaker 300:25:59We expect based on that data to get both of course safety information as well as PK information on preferably that we think we can appropriately translate into doses for the MAD in mid-twenty 25. Partly, we want to aim to estimate sort of the underlying exposures needed to get appropriate exposure in the brain to treat the disease. Speaker 200:26:20Yes. And Phil, I may want to add that, I mean based on our preclinical studies including in NHP, we don't anticipate any major surprises. This is likely to be very similar to other monoclonal antibodies and therefore the brain to plasma ratio will be in the 0.1% to 0.5% range. And as Toby said, we know the exposures that we need to get into the brain to inhibit tau spreading in the model that we use to choose the antibody. So that will give you some idea. Speaker 200:26:53And of course, we do expect that trial to inform the dose range in the upcoming multiples ending dose trial. Speaker 800:27:01That's really helpful. And then second on the frataxin candidate, would you be able to disclose anything new about the candidate that was chosen? And anything notable that you'd be wanting to tell us about what differentiated that candidate from the others? Speaker 200:27:23Well, so that's a neurocurrent program and so we're we don't want to disclose these things. Suffice it to say that the development candidate, we had a set of criteria for the capsid as well as the capsid plus payload combination, both in terms of its mechanistic effects in animals as well as manufacturability. And we'll ask Neurocrine to answer your question. Speaker 800:27:57Fair enough. Thanks for taking our questions. Congrats again Speaker 300:28:00on the progress. Speaker 200:28:02Thank you. Operator00:28:04Thank you. One moment for next question. Our next question comes from the line of Ryv Forsyth of Guggenheim Securities. Your line is now open. Speaker 200:28:20Hi, this is Ry from Debjit's team at Guggenheim. From the ASGCT data, now with GEN-three technology maturing, where you're able to navigate pre existing neutralizing antibodies, How are you framing the market opportunity expansion given the preclinical profile you're seeing today? I'll start and maybe Toby or Todd can add. But yes, so you noticed that our one of our posters that we are looking we're leveraging TRACER to see whether we can make modifications to capsids that affect immunogenicity. And by that what we're doing is we're looking to see whether pre existing antibodies that in humans can affect combined to the capsids actually and therefore affect how they perform in the clinic. Speaker 200:29:15And so obviously, if we can find novel capsids that can evade, if you will, the pre existing antibodies, more patients would be available for treatment. In addition, I would note that we and others are going to be evaluating ways in which we can lower pre existing antibody levels. And as you know, several other companies are investigating the use of various enzymes that can degrade the existing antibodies. So that will be another way to achieve essentially the same thing, which is to try to get more patients to be eligible for our treatment. Tobey? Speaker 300:29:59I would agree with Al. I think the only point I would make in addition is that this may be particularly important in adult populations. There may be select pediatric populations which is not as much of a concern. That may represent some opportunity. Speaker 200:30:13Fascinating work. Thanks. Thanks, Rod. Operator00:30:17Thank you. Thank you. One moment for next question. Our next question comes from the line of David Hoang of Citigroup. Your line is now Speaker 900:30:33open. Hi there. Congrats on the progress and thanks for taking my question. I guess first, I just want to ask about how you think about the anti tau antibody fitting into the treatment landscape of Alzheimer's as compared to the tau silencing gene therapy that you also have? What could be the advantages versus maybe disadvantages of each of those modalities? Speaker 900:30:55And then maybe just a second question. Have you interrogated or to what extent have you interrogated other transporters besides ALPL for crossing the blood brain barrier? And if you've done that work, how did ALPL compare to other potential transporters? Thanks. Speaker 200:31:14So I'll start on the first question and then Toby I'll ask Toby to help with that one. And then Todd, maybe you can answer the second question. So anti tau versus tau silencing, so very different approaches. Anti tau, we expect to bind to extracellular forms of tau. And as Todd said earlier, what we're trying to do is to block the spread of pathological tau, which we demonstrated quite nicely in an animal model where we inject human pathological tau into the animals and look at spread. Speaker 200:31:46The tau knockdown is a very different so that's an antibody that will need to be given on a regular basis, probably on the order of every month or so, every 4 weeks we anticipate. The tau knock down is a gene silencing that will be done by gene therapy. So that will be a once and done essentially. And it decreases the expression of all forms of tau. It's akin to others have used an antisense approach to decrease the expression of tau. Speaker 200:32:23So it's a different mechanism of action. And we'll have to see the first thing is which one works the best. And then we'll see whether or not it can be done once and done or whether it will need to be regular infusions. Tobey? Speaker 300:32:39Thank you, Al. I think what I would add is in concert we fundamentally at this point don't have enough clinical data to understand the potential completeness of treatments with either with any of these modalities. I think 1st and foremost, the most important point is determining which ones work. And we're excited to test have 2 opportunities to test how for our programs, both the antibody program and the doc down program. I do think moving forward, we'll need to look and try to understand the combination as well. Speaker 300:33:08And that is a potential to be investigated in the future. Speaker 200:33:12And Todd, you want to take the second question? Sure. Speaker 400:33:14The second question just to recap would be the evaluation of ALPL and other in the context of other potential shuttles or shuttle targets for BBB delivery. So we absolutely would need to evaluate ALPL in the context of other receptors such as transferrin and there are a few others. While we're not in a position to share any data today, you can imagine that anything we would choose to move forward would need to perform at least as well as the existing BBB transporters. And so that that would be part of our assessment and our evaluation. And looking forward to hopefully in the future being able to share more about our work in that area. Speaker 200:33:57And then Todd, I thought I think maybe David was also asking whether we have other receptors as well, and how we're looking at those perhaps and comparing them to ALTL? Speaker 400:34:10So we have identified some other receptors. We have multiple capsid families that target different receptors. And so in terms of our novel receptor discovery, we have identified a few and we are in the process of evaluating all of them for non viral delivery. Operator00:34:34Thank you, Willem, for next question. Our next question comes from the line of Jay Olson of Alcoa. Your line is now open. Speaker 1000:34:51Hi, this is Chung on the line for Jay. Thanks for taking the question and congrats on the progress. Maybe a 2 part question on the ALPL target you disclosed. Just first, I'm just wondering if you can talk about the expression variability of ALPL in humans and maybe whether the expression may change over time with aging or with some underlying diseases? And secondly, for the development of other therapeutic modality or delivery modality using ALPL. Speaker 1000:35:27Are you planning to do that internally or through collaborations? Thank you. Speaker 200:35:33So Todd will answer the first question. I'll answer the second one. So Speaker 400:35:39on the first question, differences or changes of ALPL expression. So we can look at different genetic variation of ALPL and we're in the process of doing that. In terms of the expression level, we know that ALPL is expressed at a quite robust level starting at birth from the databases and also from internal work on preclinical models. That expression goes up a bit with age. So if anything, we might expect even better delivery in older populations. Speaker 400:36:12But all the evidence to date suggests that the level of expression in the vasculature is quite robust even starting at a very early age. Speaker 200:36:21Yes. And in terms of the second question, we do expect to be doing a lot of the work internally and we have already started to do that. But we're always looking for collaborations that can enhance that discovery and development efforts. So stay tuned. Speaker 1000:36:45Yes. Thank you so much. Operator00:36:47Thank you, one more for next question. Our next question comes from the line of Sumant Kulkarni of Canaccord Genuity. Your line is now open. Speaker 1100:37:04Good afternoon. Nice to see all the progress and thanks for taking our questions. I guess these are welcome questions for Doctor. Toby Ferguson. So on your SOD1 ALS program, given the limited patient population and because tofersen is on the market already, do you expect to involve tofersen in preclinical work and how do you expect eventual trial recruitment to play out for Voyager SOD1 ALS program? Speaker 300:37:29Thanks for the question. So I think fundamentally, I think at first I'd reiterate, so first one obviously is approved and I think it's approved on the basis of biomarker, particularly in our filament and it is indeed a disease modifying therapy for ALS administered once intrathecally. I think what I point to in our programs Once a month. Excuse me. Once a month, correct. Speaker 300:37:50Yes. What I point to in our programs is that we did discuss recently at ASGCT really the transduction data. I think I'd highlight that to start. In motor neurons, we saw 80% to 90 3 percent transduction and up to 68% in Cortex when we looked at 2nd gen vCap capsids. So that's really quite important and that was administered with an intravenous administered dose. Speaker 300:38:15In the context of our VY-nine thousand three hundred and twenty three program, we saw 73% reduction of mRNA and solid one mRNA and 82% in motor neurons in the quarter. So I think fundamentally, we'll take some lessons learned from Tufersen, particularly around the biomarkers. We'll apply these to our clinical development program. We think this provides an opportunity to understand not only the potential proof of concept in people with SOVAL in ALS, but also the potential importance for our TRACER platform as a whole. Speaker 200:38:52And Sumant, maybe I'll add that if we look forward to the potential approval of our SOD1 gene therapy. I'll note that in the case of SMA, SPINRAZA was approved a couple of years prior to ZOLGENSMA. And the 2 are used sort of in some ways concurrently in the real world. So for example, we're aware that many patients they get treated with Zolgensma right after birth And then if necessary they add SPINRAZA. And so taking a gene therapy doesn't preclude continued treatment with the first one when necessary. Speaker 200:39:34And so I think if we take a page from the SMA story, we could see both products, the first and as well as hopefully our SOD1 gene therapy being used together essentially by physicians to treat their patients optimally. Speaker 1100:39:53Got it. And as a quick follow-up, what percentage reduction on NfL is considered clinically relevant in the SOD1 ALS context? We've seen the data that Biogen had, but what would be considered clinically relevant, I guess, for what's out there already and for a gene therapy? Speaker 300:40:10So I think in we've all seen the reductions that Biogen is highlighting with Northland reductions. I think fundamentally what a clinically relevant reduction is not clear, but I guess the points I would highlight is it has to be substantially greater than the variability of your assay and biologic variability and that the TAVRSA data does inform the magnitude of needs of reduction. Thank you. Operator00:40:39Thank you. One moment for next question. Our next question comes from the line of Yan Xu of Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is now open. Speaker 1200:40:55Great. Thanks for taking our questions and congrats on the progress. So first, I'm wondering about the AL PL receptor. Is there expression of this receptor on any other tissue? And how does that potentially impact or not impact a brain delivery drug in terms of delivery into other tissues? Speaker 1200:41:19Thanks. Speaker 400:41:21Sure. This is Todd. I can take that question. So thank you for it. So the ALPL is expressed across the vasculature in the entire body and in some other cell types. Speaker 400:41:32However, what we think is going on is that AAV capsids, AAV gene therapies do not need to harness these other mechanisms to get into other tissues. But the blood brain barrier is blocking for most conventional capsids or all conventional capsids to get into the brain. So the harnessing of ALPL to cross the blood brain barrier is really only important to get into the brain. What we also see is that the use of ALPL is giving us some significant cross species activity. So it provides us not only with in vitro evidence of cross species activity in transcytosis assays, but also in vivo cross species activity, which we see in multiple species. Speaker 400:42:19So we have examples of 4 species, African green monkeys, saudomolgus macaques, marmosets and mice. And ultimately, what we're able to see is that at relatively low doses, we're able to achieve these kinds of high delivery and transduction that Toby mentioned. 80% of motor neurons in spinal cord, 95% in Purkinje neurons, 98% of dopaminergic neurons in substantia nigra. And then finally, I'll just comment that with regard to the tissue and cell delivery, what we're seeing is a significant detargeting from the liver. That's probably not specifically driven by LDL or hypothesis is that's based on other characteristics of the capsid, but we see it quite substantially targeting from the liver with the simultaneous increase in delivery into the CNS. Speaker 1200:43:12Great. That's very nice to hear. And also at ASGCT, there are quite a few presentations on BBB penetrating capsid work from different industry players and some of them also begin to touch upon receptors. I think you might have started a trend. Just wondering after taking a survey of the landscape, how do you feel of your BBB capsid and where it stands in the landscape? Speaker 1200:43:52Thanks. Speaker 200:43:54Maybe I'll start and Todd will complete the answer. But so listen, it's great to see that a lot of people are finding what we found years ago. And that, yes, I mean, I think what we're seeing is that, I think the world appreciates the need for new capsids that cross the blood brain barrier so as to improve delivery. And look, the competition is heating up. I would say that we're very proud of our capsids. Speaker 200:44:28As Todd said, we get the key cells that we want that are relevant for the diseases of interest, We get 80%, 90% as Todd just mentioned of cells transduced at relatively low doses of 3 13 Vgs per kg and we have demonstrated in vivo multiple cross species experiments have been done with 3 different non human primate species as well as mice. Knowing the receptor is also very helpful. So and then look, we have already selected 3 development candidates, 2 with our partners at Neurocrine and 1 are wholly owned and we expect to be in the clinic soon. Speaker 300:45:16So Todd? Speaker 400:45:17I think you've captured everything that I was going to say, Alan. And I do think the important point in addition to the cross species activity is over the past quarter or so, those 3 candidates that we're moving into the clinics. We think the next step is really the clinic. Speaker 1200:45:34Got it. Yes, yes. Got it. Thank you. Very helpful. Operator00:45:39Thank you. We'll move on for next question. Our next question comes from the line of Laura Chico of Wedbush. Your line is now open. Speaker 1300:45:54Good afternoon and thanks very much for taking the questions. Just one housekeeping question. I believe there was one milestone payment that was triggered in the second quarter. But curious if you could just kind of elaborate or if you've disclosed any additional milestones that we should be watching out for over the remainder of 2024? And then I have a quick follow-up for you. Speaker 1300:46:16Hi, this is Robin. Thank you for the question. Speaker 400:46:19So we were very pleased with the advancement of our Neurocrine programs and the achievement of the DC milestone. However, we don't provide guidance on potential future milestone payments across the 13 partner programs. It is also important to note that further milestone payments are not included in our cash guidance, which is into 2027. Speaker 1300:46:42Okay. Thank you very much. And then in terms of follow-up, obviously, there's a lot of discussion on the ALPL receptor data from ASGCT. But I'm wondering if you can just talk perhaps to Al, strategically, what would happen in terms of the direction of focus for Voyager with the BYTAL-one data. If that reads out positively in the patients, what does that mean strategically in terms of the focus? Speaker 1300:47:08Obviously, that's in as an antibody right now, but how does that shift or change the focus on other tracer programs assuming success there? Speaker 200:47:18Well, Laura, thanks for the question. I think what you're implying is that we would have a choice of whether we proceed with the BY Tau-one program as an intravenous antibody or whether we could vectorize the antibody. We actually do have that option. We may actually do both in fact. I've always been thinking though that strategically wouldn't make sense for Voyager, a small company like us to try to go into Phase 3 or commercialize in Alzheimer's disease. Speaker 200:47:53It's too large, too expensive. So we've always thought we will likely get a partner if the BY Tau-one program is positive. But I do think that the option to potentially vectorize a once and done antibody could be of high interest to us and we'll make that decision when the time comes. Speaker 400:48:17Thanks very much. Operator00:48:20Thank you. One moment for next question. Our next question comes from the line of Joon Lee of Tru Securities. Your line is now open. Speaker 500:48:36Hi. Following Laura's question, last week in ASUCD, Regeneron suggested in some of the presentation that compared to cassette inserted vectorized antibodies, the expression of sorry, cassette inserted antibodies, the vectorized antibodies had lower expression. Do you expect the same for your rexterase antibody platform in general and specifically for the Alzheimer's rexterase antibody? And if could you share any plans that you have for preclinical data of that in this program? Speaker 200:49:28Yes. Let me start and then I'll ask Todd to help. So when we vectorize an antibody, we did show at a meeting, I think it was last year or 2 years ago, that we can vectorize an anti amyloid antibody and get enough expression to bind to amyloid plaques in transgenic mice. And correct me if I'm wrong on that thought. So we can get enough expression to bind to amyloid plaques in animals. Speaker 200:49:59We'll have to see. My view is that a lot is going to change relative to IV. So we're going to lose the Cmaxes, if you will, the high concentrations that you get immediately after IV dosing. We expect to have more constitutive expression from within the central nervous system. So we expect that they'll have mainly glial cells producing the antibody as we've shown in the past and that we will and so it will be sort of an inside out if you will approach rather than giving it IV and having it across the vasculature to get into the brain, it will be made in the brain directly. Speaker 200:50:42And then we would be able to look in animal models at the not only binding to amyloid plaques, but we will be assessing whether or not we can lower amyloid plaques. And there's some precedents we can follow in vivo studies that have been done with the anti amyloid antibodies. And then of course, we'll have to see whether or not we affect any adverse events. One concept would be that ARIA the rates of ARIA may be affected by the fact that we don't get the C MAXs and we have constituent of expression from within the brain. We'll have to see if that's true. Speaker 200:51:20And there are some animal models that mimic ARIA, whether they truly are ARIA or not, well, I'm not certain, but we can even assess that. And finally, I would say that one of the things we're investigating right now is whether or not we can regulate the expression of the antibody with a small molecule. And so a regulatable vectorized antibody program would I think be ideal. And so those are the kinds of things we're thinking about in terms of preclinical experiments that would help us get to a development candidate. Todd, did you want to add anything? Speaker 400:51:57I can add a little bit. So while the DY tau-one, the focus there is on the antibody itself, not on a vectorized form. We do have substantial experience going back several years on vectorization of antibodies in general, including tau antibodies and the amyloid that Al mentioned and others. And we found that the payload can matter quite a bit of the structure of the vector payload, the vector genome and of course the promoter. So there are a lot of things that we can do, some of which Al mentioned to tweak the expression level, not just on the promoter, but by the kinds of cells, the specific cell types that you target as well. Speaker 400:52:39And so we'll be looking at all of those characteristics when we move any vectorized form of an antibody gene therapy based antibody forward. Speaker 200:52:50I would just add that in the real world being able to give it a vectorized anti amyloid once IV and not have to give it every other week or every month could really relieve the strain on the healthcare system that I think we're witnessing now with antibody treatments for Alzheimer's disease. Speaker 500:53:12Very helpful. And if I can sneak in one last question. So between now and second half of twenty twenty six that you hopefully present like PET imaging data or re:1.5. How we should think about like cadence of any interim data release related to your findings along the way? Speaker 700:53:38Toby? Speaker 300:53:42I think what we've highlighted for the SAD program, it will inform the MAD program and I think really the key data readout in the next in that timeframe really is the MAD data in the latter half of 2026. Yes. Thank you very much. Operator00:54:01Thank you. I'm showing no further questions at this time. I would now like to turn it back to Alserna for closing remarks. Speaker 200:54:08Thank you everyone for joining us today and feel free to follow-up directly with any questions. Thanks again. Bye. Operator00:54:18Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's presentation. Thank you once again for your participation. 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There are 14 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good afternoon, and welcome to Voyager Therapeutics First Quarter 2024 Financial Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. There will be a question and answer session at the end of this call. Please note that today's conference is being recorded. Your play of today's call will be available on the Investors section of the company's website approximately 2 hours after completion of this call. Operator00:00:20I would now like to turn the call over to Trista Morrison, Chief Corporate Affairs Officer. Speaker 100:00:26Thank you, and good afternoon. We issued our Q1 2024 financial results press release this afternoon. The press release and 10 Q are available on our website. Joining me on today's call are Doctor. Al Sandroff, our Chief Executive Officer Doctor. Speaker 100:00:42Toby Ferguson, our Chief Medical Officer and Doctor. Todd Carter, our Chief Scientific Officer. We will also be joined for the Q and A portion of the call by our Chief Operating Officer and Principal Financial Officer, Robin Swartz. Before we get started, I would like to remind everyone that during this call Voyager representatives may make forward looking statements as noted in Slide 2 of today's deck. These statements are based on our current expectations and beliefs. Speaker 100:01:11They are subject to risks and uncertainties, and our actual results may differ materially. I encourage you to consult the risk factors discussed in our SEC filings, which are available on our website. And now, I will turn the call over to Al. Speaker 200:01:26Thank you, Trista, and good afternoon, everyone. Please turn to Slide 3. I'd like to start by thanking the Voyager team for their dedication to creating transformative genetic medicines. We made tremendous progress advancing these medicines in the Q1. We just announced that we have obtained IND clearance for our anti tau antibody VY tau-one for Alzheimer's disease and we expect to announce the dosing of the first subject in a single ascending dose trial in healthy volunteers in the coming week or so. Speaker 200:02:01Our gene therapy pipeline also advanced during the quarter with development candidates selected in the GVA1 and Friedreich's ataxia programs partnered with Neurocrine. These programs along with our wholly owned SOD1 ALS program are advancing toward IND filings in 2025. In March, we appointed Doctor. Toby Ferguson as our Chief Medical Officer. Toby is an exceptional biotech executive with deep experience advancing novel therapies for CNS diseases. Speaker 200:02:36This includes tofersen, the first genetically targeted therapy to be FDA approved for SOD1 ALS and the first treatment to receive accelerated approval based on plasma neurofilament light chain response. Tobey has hit the ground running and we look forward to his leadership of our emerging clinical portfolio. In January, we announced an expansion of our relationship with Novartis through a new strategic collaboration and capsid license agreement to advance potential gene therapies for Huntington's disease and spinal muscular atrophy. This agreement together with the public offering we completed in January brought $200,000,000 of total consideration to Voyager in the Q1. This bolstered our balance sheet and extended our runway into 2027 and we expect that it will enable us to achieve multiple clinical data readouts. Speaker 200:03:35Finally, we presented a robust set of data at the recent ADPD and ASGCT meetings including data on our multiple tile targeting programs in our 2nd generation capsids. Given this significant progress, we believe Voyager is emerging as a leader in neurogenetic medicine. Our pillars of value are summarized on Slide 4. First, we have a strong pipeline of 4 wholly owned and 13 partnered programs with the first expected to enter clinical trials in the coming weeks and the potential for 3 more to follow next year. 2nd, we have an industry leading platform designed to overcome the delivery challenges inherent to CNS gene therapies. Speaker 200:04:26Our tracer platform enables us to create novel capsids that following IV delivery harness the extensive cerebral vasculature to enable widespread payload distribution across multiple brain regions and cell types. These capsids have demonstrated translatability in multiple species and have enabled the selection of multiple development candidates in our wholly owned and partnered gene therapy programs. 3rd, we have blue chip partnerships anchored by TRACER's potential to transform the treatment of CNS diseases. In addition to Neurocrine, our partners include Novartis and Alexion. In total, our partnered programs could generate up to $8,200,000,000 in longer term milestone payments. Speaker 200:05:21Finally, we continue to explore the potential to leverage receptors we have identified to shuttle non viral genetic medicines into the brain. Ultimately, we aim to expand from gene therapy and antibodies into other modalities of neurogenetic medicine, broadening our impact. With that, I'll turn the call over to Toby. Speaker 300:05:45Thank you, Al, and good afternoon. Please turn to Slide 5. This slide summarizes the 4 wholly owned programs and our 13 partner programs that Al mentioned earlier. Part of what attracted me to Voyager is that these programs are focused on targets validated by human biology and human genetics. As a drug developer and former practicing neurologist, I've dedicated my career to improving the lives of people living with neurologic diseases. Speaker 300:06:12And while our understanding of the genetic and biological basis of CNS diseases has advanced considerably. Translating that understanding to new therapies has been hindered by challenges with crossing the blood brain barrier. I believe that the progress that Voyager has made in this regard is transformative and provides an unprecedented opportunity to redefine the treatment of CNS diseases. I'm delighted to join the company as we prepare to enter the clinic and realize the full potential of our pipeline of neurogenetic medicines. Turning to Slide 6, I want to focus for a moment on 2 of our wholly owned programs that target tau. Speaker 300:06:53We believe tau is a critically important target for the treatment of Alzheimer's disease. The presence of tau pathology in the brain is a cardinal feature of AD. Further, the spread of tau pathology through the brain closely correlates with clinical decline and can be visualized with tau PET imaging. Importantly, recent third party clinical data generated using an intra clinically administered tau ASO have shown that reducing tau was associated with favorable trends on clinical outcomes. As Al mentioned, we're excited to announce that BYTau-one, our anti tau monoclonal antibody obtained IND clearance. Speaker 300:07:32And we look forward to announcing in the coming weeks initiation of a single ascending dose trial in healthy volunteers. I'll talk more about that trial in a moment. First, a bit of background on this program. BY tau-one aims to inhibit the cell to cell spread of the extracellular forms, pathological tau in the brain. In contrast to 3rd party anti tau antibody approaches that are targeted to the N terminus of tau and have been unsuccessful in the clinic, VY tau-one targets the C terminal epitope of pathological tau. Speaker 300:08:04We believe the epitope matters. In a preclinical in vivo model of tau spread, the murine surrogate of VY tau-one inhibited tau spread by approximately 70%, while N terminal directed antibodies had no significance. This indicates the negative predictive value of this model. We look forward to establishing whether or not it has positive predictive value as we advance into clinical trials. Importantly and in parallel, we are progressing a tau silencing gene therapy approach intended to inhibit the production of tau protein. Speaker 300:08:39This program deploys a tau targeted sRNA packaged into an IV administered tracer capsid. Using this approach, we've demonstrated robust reductions in tau mRNA and protein across the brain on a single IV administration in mice expressing human tau. We believe this program has the potential to provide a transformative single dose treatment for Alzheimer's disease. We anticipate filing an IND in 2026. Turning to Slide 7, as I mentioned, we anticipate the announcement dosing of the first subjects in our single ascending dose trial, VY Tau-one in the coming weeks. Speaker 300:09:17This will be a single site study in which we expect to enroll approximately 48 participants. The primary aim of the trial is to generate initial safety and PK data that will inform a subsequent multiple ascending dose trial. We expect to conduct the multiple ascending dose trial participants with early Alzheimer's disease. We expect to initiate this trial next year and generate initial Tau PET imaging data in 2026 that has the potential to show slowing of tau spread. Turning to Slide 8. Speaker 300:09:52In addition to our programs targeting tau, we are also advancing 3 gene therapy programs for which we expect to file INDs next year. They include our wholly owned SOD1 silencing program targeting the genetic cause of SOD1 ALS, the Neurocrine partner for taxane gene replacement program targeting the genetic cause of prebiotic ataxia and the Neurocrine partner GBA1 gene replacement program. Mutations in GBA1 represent both one of the most common genetic causes of Parkinson's disease as well as the cause of other GBA1 related diseases. Each of these programs leverages an IV administered blood brain barrier penetrant tracer capsid and has the potential to provide a single dose disease modifying treatment. We look forward to advancing these promising suite of programs into clinic. Speaker 300:10:41With that, I'll turn the call over to Todd. Speaker 400:10:45Thanks, Toby. Please turn to Slide 9. In support of our advancing gene therapy pipeline, we were pleased to present a robust set of data on the potential clinical translatability, manufacturing and overall performance of our tracer capsids at the American Society of Gene and Cell Therapy Annual Meeting last week. Voyager scientists presented a total of 12 abstracts at the meeting and I'd like to review a few highlights. First, we presented new data on our 2nd generation IV delivered TRACER capsids. Speaker 400:11:20This session was standing room only with a line out of the door and down the hall, which I think speaks to the high level of interest in novel capsids engineered across the blood brain barrier. Our 2nd generation capsids should further enhance blood brain barrier penetrance and reduced liver expression compared to our own 1st generation TRACER derived capsids. These 2nd gen capsids demonstrated robust transduction of 50% to 75% of cells across diverse brain regions with upwards of 95% transduction in certain T cell types, such as Purkinje neurons at a clinically relevant dose of 3x1013 vector genomes per kilogram. This also included transduction of 98% of dopaminergic neurons of the substantia nigra and over 80% of spinal motor neurons. Importantly, our TRACER capsids have enabled selection of development candidates for the 3 lead gene therapy programs that Till we just reviewed. Speaker 400:12:25We presented data at ASGCT on VY9,323, our wholly owned SOD1 silencing gene therapy, which uses a 2nd generation trasier capsid. The data demonstrated that a single IV dose of EY9,323 at the 3e13 vector genomes per kilogram dose reduced SOD1 mRNA by up to 80% in spinal cord motor neurons in non human primates. Finally, as part of our strategy to mitigate the risks of developing tracer capsid derived product candidates and maximize the probability of success in the clinic, Voyager has been working to identify the receptors that mediate the delivery of these capsids into the CNS and confirm their expression in humans. At ASGCT, we identified tissue non specific alkaline phosphatase or ALPL, formerly known as Receptor X, as the highly conserved receptor expressed on a brain vasculature that mediates the delivery of TRACER capsids, VCAP101102 across the blood brain barrier. These capsids bind human primate and murine ALPL isoforms, further strengthening our confidence in the clinical potential of TRACER capsids. Speaker 400:13:44More broadly, these data establish ALPL as a novel brain delivery shuttle And we are exploring the opportunity to leverage this receptor to deliver multiple therapeutic modalities across the blood brain barrier. We look forward to sharing these data in the future. Collectively, the data package we presented at ASGCT represents the most extensive validation to date of the potential clinical translatability of our tracer capsids. And we look forward to evaluating their ability to transform the course of a broad range of neurological diseases. I will now turn the call back over to Al. Speaker 200:14:25Thanks Todd. Turning to Slide 10, you can see Voyager has had an incredibly strong start to the year. As I mentioned before, this would not be possible without the hard work and dedication of our employees. I know many of them are listening, so I want to say again, thank you. With a robust slate of upcoming clinical milestones, a maturing partnership portfolio and cash runway into 2027, we believe Voyager is poised to drive significant value over both the near and long term. Speaker 200:15:02With that, we will open the call for questions. Operator? Operator00:15:09Thank you. At this time, we'll conduct a question and answer session. Our first question comes from the line of Joon Lee of Tru Securities. Your line is now open. Speaker 500:15:39Hi, good afternoon and congrats on the great progress. This is Mehdi on for Joon. Last week at ASGCD, you showed great data related to receptor X ALPL. So could you please elaborate on the ways that you are planning to use this knowledge for delivery of the other modalities to CNS? Specifically, do you think antisense oligos and LMPs could see similar levels of trancytosis seen with AAVs? Speaker 500:16:14Thank you. Speaker 200:16:17Yes. Thanks for the question. This is Al Sandrock. So briefly, we know that these receptors mediate the transport of these very large AAV capsids across the BBB. And what we're going to do now is to make ligands against the receptor, conjugate them to various macromolecules to see if we can get them to cross the BBB, we believe by transcytosis. Speaker 200:16:46And the range of molecules we could look at include protein therapeutics as well as oligonucleotides. And we're progressing those experiments as we speak. Todd? Speaker 400:16:59Thanks, Al. So we are looking at a variety of different modalities. As Al indicated, we're looking at antibodies, all of those other sorts of proteins. I'll mention that we're in the process of identifying ligands and we have identified some ligands and we're looking forward in the future to hopefully sharing some of those data when we're ready Speaker 300:17:20to. Appreciate it. Thank you. Operator00:17:25Thank you. One moment for next question. Our next question comes from the line of Jack Holland of Baird. Your line is now open. Speaker 600:17:40All right. Thanks so much for taking the questions and congratulations on the progress. I wanted to ask about some of the work you presented at ASH JCT around the optimization of manufacturing. How are you thinking about optimizing manufacturing before you bring candidates in the clinic with your gene therapies? And what do you expect the benefits will be as it relates to COGS of your more potent gene therapies as well? Speaker 200:18:03Well, I'll start and I'll ask Todd to help here. So we're going to be planning to use HEK293 cells to manufacture these products. We have a very robust internal technical operations team and part of the development candidate selection we assess manufacturability both as well as the downstream as well as upstream processes. And of course, we're going to be verifying percentage of full capsids, partially full capsids as well as empty capsids. And so we assess manufacturer ability as part of the development candidate selection. Speaker 200:18:47Todd? Speaker 400:18:48So as Al mentioned, we do have that manufacturability is a key component. It's actually part of our whole assessment of our novel capsids as we identify them. In each case, the payload can make a difference. So that for any given program, we have to establish the manufacturer ability with the capsid in question and the particular payload for the disease indication as well. All that goes into our assessment and we begin with research grade material and then once we develop the development candidate, then we proceed to the process development to move that into manufacturability. Speaker 400:19:26You also asked a question about COGS. And of course, it's not exactly necessarily a 1 to 1 trade off, but you can imagine as we're looking with our novel capsids that have a potency approximately about an order of magnitude greater than what the dose is currently used in the clinic, We expect to see substantial savings because we need much less material to deliver the same level or actually greater levels of delivery to the CNS than the conventional capsids. Speaker 200:19:54Yes. And I would just add, Jack, that in addition to the lower doses, what we note is that we're going to transfer the process to a CDMO for manufacturing. And the CDMO world has really come up to speed in terms of scalability. We're now seeing scale and every time you increase the scale, we actually reduce the cost. So and at the pace that it's going, we expect to see continued advancement in that area as well. Speaker 600:20:26That's great. Can I just ask one final question on that? I know we haven't really gotten this far in the gene therapy space, but how does shelf life of these products play a role when you think about the commercial applicability of these manufacturing scale here? Speaker 200:20:41Shelf life, wow, that's a question I hadn't thought about yet, but anybody on here has an answer to that? Speaker 400:20:50So our we do assess the shelf life and of course for gene therapy, we typically would need to require to be held at at particular cold temperatures. All that is part of the evaluation for stability, both short term and long term. So that's an important part of our manufacturability and our process development. Speaker 600:21:16Thank Speaker 300:21:19you. Thank you, Paul. Operator00:21:22Thank you, one moment for next question. Our next question comes from the line of Patrick Trucchio of H. C. Wainwright and Co. Your line is now open. Speaker 700:21:39Thanks. Good afternoon and congrats on all the progress. Just a couple of follow-up questions from me. The first is, I'm wondering if you can discuss any potential read through that you'll be looking for from the advisory committee meeting on June 10 regarding denenemab and Alzheimer's disease to your Alzheimer's programs? And then, separately, just a follow-up on the ASGCT data, specifically the data in human tau mouse model that showed reduction in tau mRNA levels up to 90% and 50% to 70% reduction in tau protein. Speaker 700:22:12Can you tell us how this data compare with prior generation capsids and how the data may support advancement of tau silencing gene therapy IND in 2026? Speaker 200:22:25Thanks, Patrick. I'll answer the first question and maybe I'll ask Todd to answer the second one. On the first question, while it will be a very interesting advisory committee, We do have a vectorized anti amyloid program in our pipeline as well. So we're watching that advisory committee with interest. I think a lot of the questions might be unique to Donanumab. Speaker 200:22:52It may not pertain very much to our program. Nevertheless, there might be some important features. For example, what are the outcome measures that are going to be important for approval. And of course, that's always something that we need to keep an eye on. But that's down the line for us. Speaker 200:23:13We have to get into the clinic first. But so that's the kind of thing we may be paying attention to, but it will be an interesting meeting. Todd? Speaker 400:23:23So on our tau knockdown program, the data that you're referring to, we showed some at ADPD and also at ASGCT. The knockdown in the mouse was with a mouse capable capsid. So we use that really to assess the payload and also to hopefully demonstrate and we feel that we did that it's the payload has the ability to knock down tau both mRNA and protein at a clinically relevant dose. So we think that that's what we showed in those mouse studies. With regard to the payload, we were able to see a well tolerated and safe dose in those animals delivering sufficient vector to the brain that we saw quite remarkable knockdown of the mRNA in those animals. Speaker 400:24:12So it's building that proof of concept for the knockdown and we're moving forward now and evaluating the novel capsids for non human primates and humans with the payloads in question. So we're looking forward to share more of that in the future. Speaker 700:24:29Great. Thanks so much. Operator00:24:33Thank you. One moment for next question. Our next question comes from the line of Philip Nadeau of T. Cowen. Your line is now open. Speaker 800:24:49Good afternoon. Congrats on the progress and thanks for taking our questions. First a couple on VY tau-one. Have you disclosed what doses you are going to be exploring in the single ascending dose trial? And can you talk a little bit how you're going to use the pharmacokinetic data that you gather to determine what doses should be explored in the MAD trial. Speaker 800:25:15How will you extrapolate from the single dose to the multiple doses and particularly for peripheral versus maybe crossing the blood brain barrier? Thanks. Speaker 300:25:30Thanks for the call. This is Toby. We haven't disclosed our doses, but broadly speaking, we've examined our candidates in our preclinical model of tau spread where we've shown that we see reduction by about 70% of the spread of pathologic tau in our mouse models. In addition, we've done preclinical work in primates. I think and fundamentally this is a single ascending dose study in about 48 patients over multiple cohorts. Speaker 300:25:59We expect based on that data to get both of course safety information as well as PK information on preferably that we think we can appropriately translate into doses for the MAD in mid-twenty 25. Partly, we want to aim to estimate sort of the underlying exposures needed to get appropriate exposure in the brain to treat the disease. Speaker 200:26:20Yes. And Phil, I may want to add that, I mean based on our preclinical studies including in NHP, we don't anticipate any major surprises. This is likely to be very similar to other monoclonal antibodies and therefore the brain to plasma ratio will be in the 0.1% to 0.5% range. And as Toby said, we know the exposures that we need to get into the brain to inhibit tau spreading in the model that we use to choose the antibody. So that will give you some idea. Speaker 200:26:53And of course, we do expect that trial to inform the dose range in the upcoming multiples ending dose trial. Speaker 800:27:01That's really helpful. And then second on the frataxin candidate, would you be able to disclose anything new about the candidate that was chosen? And anything notable that you'd be wanting to tell us about what differentiated that candidate from the others? Speaker 200:27:23Well, so that's a neurocurrent program and so we're we don't want to disclose these things. Suffice it to say that the development candidate, we had a set of criteria for the capsid as well as the capsid plus payload combination, both in terms of its mechanistic effects in animals as well as manufacturability. And we'll ask Neurocrine to answer your question. Speaker 800:27:57Fair enough. Thanks for taking our questions. Congrats again Speaker 300:28:00on the progress. Speaker 200:28:02Thank you. Operator00:28:04Thank you. One moment for next question. Our next question comes from the line of Ryv Forsyth of Guggenheim Securities. Your line is now open. Speaker 200:28:20Hi, this is Ry from Debjit's team at Guggenheim. From the ASGCT data, now with GEN-three technology maturing, where you're able to navigate pre existing neutralizing antibodies, How are you framing the market opportunity expansion given the preclinical profile you're seeing today? I'll start and maybe Toby or Todd can add. But yes, so you noticed that our one of our posters that we are looking we're leveraging TRACER to see whether we can make modifications to capsids that affect immunogenicity. And by that what we're doing is we're looking to see whether pre existing antibodies that in humans can affect combined to the capsids actually and therefore affect how they perform in the clinic. Speaker 200:29:15And so obviously, if we can find novel capsids that can evade, if you will, the pre existing antibodies, more patients would be available for treatment. In addition, I would note that we and others are going to be evaluating ways in which we can lower pre existing antibody levels. And as you know, several other companies are investigating the use of various enzymes that can degrade the existing antibodies. So that will be another way to achieve essentially the same thing, which is to try to get more patients to be eligible for our treatment. Tobey? Speaker 300:29:59I would agree with Al. I think the only point I would make in addition is that this may be particularly important in adult populations. There may be select pediatric populations which is not as much of a concern. That may represent some opportunity. Speaker 200:30:13Fascinating work. Thanks. Thanks, Rod. Operator00:30:17Thank you. Thank you. One moment for next question. Our next question comes from the line of David Hoang of Citigroup. Your line is now Speaker 900:30:33open. Hi there. Congrats on the progress and thanks for taking my question. I guess first, I just want to ask about how you think about the anti tau antibody fitting into the treatment landscape of Alzheimer's as compared to the tau silencing gene therapy that you also have? What could be the advantages versus maybe disadvantages of each of those modalities? Speaker 900:30:55And then maybe just a second question. Have you interrogated or to what extent have you interrogated other transporters besides ALPL for crossing the blood brain barrier? And if you've done that work, how did ALPL compare to other potential transporters? Thanks. Speaker 200:31:14So I'll start on the first question and then Toby I'll ask Toby to help with that one. And then Todd, maybe you can answer the second question. So anti tau versus tau silencing, so very different approaches. Anti tau, we expect to bind to extracellular forms of tau. And as Todd said earlier, what we're trying to do is to block the spread of pathological tau, which we demonstrated quite nicely in an animal model where we inject human pathological tau into the animals and look at spread. Speaker 200:31:46The tau knockdown is a very different so that's an antibody that will need to be given on a regular basis, probably on the order of every month or so, every 4 weeks we anticipate. The tau knock down is a gene silencing that will be done by gene therapy. So that will be a once and done essentially. And it decreases the expression of all forms of tau. It's akin to others have used an antisense approach to decrease the expression of tau. Speaker 200:32:23So it's a different mechanism of action. And we'll have to see the first thing is which one works the best. And then we'll see whether or not it can be done once and done or whether it will need to be regular infusions. Tobey? Speaker 300:32:39Thank you, Al. I think what I would add is in concert we fundamentally at this point don't have enough clinical data to understand the potential completeness of treatments with either with any of these modalities. I think 1st and foremost, the most important point is determining which ones work. And we're excited to test have 2 opportunities to test how for our programs, both the antibody program and the doc down program. I do think moving forward, we'll need to look and try to understand the combination as well. Speaker 300:33:08And that is a potential to be investigated in the future. Speaker 200:33:12And Todd, you want to take the second question? Sure. Speaker 400:33:14The second question just to recap would be the evaluation of ALPL and other in the context of other potential shuttles or shuttle targets for BBB delivery. So we absolutely would need to evaluate ALPL in the context of other receptors such as transferrin and there are a few others. While we're not in a position to share any data today, you can imagine that anything we would choose to move forward would need to perform at least as well as the existing BBB transporters. And so that that would be part of our assessment and our evaluation. And looking forward to hopefully in the future being able to share more about our work in that area. Speaker 200:33:57And then Todd, I thought I think maybe David was also asking whether we have other receptors as well, and how we're looking at those perhaps and comparing them to ALTL? Speaker 400:34:10So we have identified some other receptors. We have multiple capsid families that target different receptors. And so in terms of our novel receptor discovery, we have identified a few and we are in the process of evaluating all of them for non viral delivery. Operator00:34:34Thank you, Willem, for next question. Our next question comes from the line of Jay Olson of Alcoa. Your line is now open. Speaker 1000:34:51Hi, this is Chung on the line for Jay. Thanks for taking the question and congrats on the progress. Maybe a 2 part question on the ALPL target you disclosed. Just first, I'm just wondering if you can talk about the expression variability of ALPL in humans and maybe whether the expression may change over time with aging or with some underlying diseases? And secondly, for the development of other therapeutic modality or delivery modality using ALPL. Speaker 1000:35:27Are you planning to do that internally or through collaborations? Thank you. Speaker 200:35:33So Todd will answer the first question. I'll answer the second one. So Speaker 400:35:39on the first question, differences or changes of ALPL expression. So we can look at different genetic variation of ALPL and we're in the process of doing that. In terms of the expression level, we know that ALPL is expressed at a quite robust level starting at birth from the databases and also from internal work on preclinical models. That expression goes up a bit with age. So if anything, we might expect even better delivery in older populations. Speaker 400:36:12But all the evidence to date suggests that the level of expression in the vasculature is quite robust even starting at a very early age. Speaker 200:36:21Yes. And in terms of the second question, we do expect to be doing a lot of the work internally and we have already started to do that. But we're always looking for collaborations that can enhance that discovery and development efforts. So stay tuned. Speaker 1000:36:45Yes. Thank you so much. Operator00:36:47Thank you, one more for next question. Our next question comes from the line of Sumant Kulkarni of Canaccord Genuity. Your line is now open. Speaker 1100:37:04Good afternoon. Nice to see all the progress and thanks for taking our questions. I guess these are welcome questions for Doctor. Toby Ferguson. So on your SOD1 ALS program, given the limited patient population and because tofersen is on the market already, do you expect to involve tofersen in preclinical work and how do you expect eventual trial recruitment to play out for Voyager SOD1 ALS program? Speaker 300:37:29Thanks for the question. So I think fundamentally, I think at first I'd reiterate, so first one obviously is approved and I think it's approved on the basis of biomarker, particularly in our filament and it is indeed a disease modifying therapy for ALS administered once intrathecally. I think what I point to in our programs Once a month. Excuse me. Once a month, correct. Speaker 300:37:50Yes. What I point to in our programs is that we did discuss recently at ASGCT really the transduction data. I think I'd highlight that to start. In motor neurons, we saw 80% to 90 3 percent transduction and up to 68% in Cortex when we looked at 2nd gen vCap capsids. So that's really quite important and that was administered with an intravenous administered dose. Speaker 300:38:15In the context of our VY-nine thousand three hundred and twenty three program, we saw 73% reduction of mRNA and solid one mRNA and 82% in motor neurons in the quarter. So I think fundamentally, we'll take some lessons learned from Tufersen, particularly around the biomarkers. We'll apply these to our clinical development program. We think this provides an opportunity to understand not only the potential proof of concept in people with SOVAL in ALS, but also the potential importance for our TRACER platform as a whole. Speaker 200:38:52And Sumant, maybe I'll add that if we look forward to the potential approval of our SOD1 gene therapy. I'll note that in the case of SMA, SPINRAZA was approved a couple of years prior to ZOLGENSMA. And the 2 are used sort of in some ways concurrently in the real world. So for example, we're aware that many patients they get treated with Zolgensma right after birth And then if necessary they add SPINRAZA. And so taking a gene therapy doesn't preclude continued treatment with the first one when necessary. Speaker 200:39:34And so I think if we take a page from the SMA story, we could see both products, the first and as well as hopefully our SOD1 gene therapy being used together essentially by physicians to treat their patients optimally. Speaker 1100:39:53Got it. And as a quick follow-up, what percentage reduction on NfL is considered clinically relevant in the SOD1 ALS context? We've seen the data that Biogen had, but what would be considered clinically relevant, I guess, for what's out there already and for a gene therapy? Speaker 300:40:10So I think in we've all seen the reductions that Biogen is highlighting with Northland reductions. I think fundamentally what a clinically relevant reduction is not clear, but I guess the points I would highlight is it has to be substantially greater than the variability of your assay and biologic variability and that the TAVRSA data does inform the magnitude of needs of reduction. Thank you. Operator00:40:39Thank you. One moment for next question. Our next question comes from the line of Yan Xu of Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is now open. Speaker 1200:40:55Great. Thanks for taking our questions and congrats on the progress. So first, I'm wondering about the AL PL receptor. Is there expression of this receptor on any other tissue? And how does that potentially impact or not impact a brain delivery drug in terms of delivery into other tissues? Speaker 1200:41:19Thanks. Speaker 400:41:21Sure. This is Todd. I can take that question. So thank you for it. So the ALPL is expressed across the vasculature in the entire body and in some other cell types. Speaker 400:41:32However, what we think is going on is that AAV capsids, AAV gene therapies do not need to harness these other mechanisms to get into other tissues. But the blood brain barrier is blocking for most conventional capsids or all conventional capsids to get into the brain. So the harnessing of ALPL to cross the blood brain barrier is really only important to get into the brain. What we also see is that the use of ALPL is giving us some significant cross species activity. So it provides us not only with in vitro evidence of cross species activity in transcytosis assays, but also in vivo cross species activity, which we see in multiple species. Speaker 400:42:19So we have examples of 4 species, African green monkeys, saudomolgus macaques, marmosets and mice. And ultimately, what we're able to see is that at relatively low doses, we're able to achieve these kinds of high delivery and transduction that Toby mentioned. 80% of motor neurons in spinal cord, 95% in Purkinje neurons, 98% of dopaminergic neurons in substantia nigra. And then finally, I'll just comment that with regard to the tissue and cell delivery, what we're seeing is a significant detargeting from the liver. That's probably not specifically driven by LDL or hypothesis is that's based on other characteristics of the capsid, but we see it quite substantially targeting from the liver with the simultaneous increase in delivery into the CNS. Speaker 1200:43:12Great. That's very nice to hear. And also at ASGCT, there are quite a few presentations on BBB penetrating capsid work from different industry players and some of them also begin to touch upon receptors. I think you might have started a trend. Just wondering after taking a survey of the landscape, how do you feel of your BBB capsid and where it stands in the landscape? Speaker 1200:43:52Thanks. Speaker 200:43:54Maybe I'll start and Todd will complete the answer. But so listen, it's great to see that a lot of people are finding what we found years ago. And that, yes, I mean, I think what we're seeing is that, I think the world appreciates the need for new capsids that cross the blood brain barrier so as to improve delivery. And look, the competition is heating up. I would say that we're very proud of our capsids. Speaker 200:44:28As Todd said, we get the key cells that we want that are relevant for the diseases of interest, We get 80%, 90% as Todd just mentioned of cells transduced at relatively low doses of 3 13 Vgs per kg and we have demonstrated in vivo multiple cross species experiments have been done with 3 different non human primate species as well as mice. Knowing the receptor is also very helpful. So and then look, we have already selected 3 development candidates, 2 with our partners at Neurocrine and 1 are wholly owned and we expect to be in the clinic soon. Speaker 300:45:16So Todd? Speaker 400:45:17I think you've captured everything that I was going to say, Alan. And I do think the important point in addition to the cross species activity is over the past quarter or so, those 3 candidates that we're moving into the clinics. We think the next step is really the clinic. Speaker 1200:45:34Got it. Yes, yes. Got it. Thank you. Very helpful. Operator00:45:39Thank you. We'll move on for next question. Our next question comes from the line of Laura Chico of Wedbush. Your line is now open. Speaker 1300:45:54Good afternoon and thanks very much for taking the questions. Just one housekeeping question. I believe there was one milestone payment that was triggered in the second quarter. But curious if you could just kind of elaborate or if you've disclosed any additional milestones that we should be watching out for over the remainder of 2024? And then I have a quick follow-up for you. Speaker 1300:46:16Hi, this is Robin. Thank you for the question. Speaker 400:46:19So we were very pleased with the advancement of our Neurocrine programs and the achievement of the DC milestone. However, we don't provide guidance on potential future milestone payments across the 13 partner programs. It is also important to note that further milestone payments are not included in our cash guidance, which is into 2027. Speaker 1300:46:42Okay. Thank you very much. And then in terms of follow-up, obviously, there's a lot of discussion on the ALPL receptor data from ASGCT. But I'm wondering if you can just talk perhaps to Al, strategically, what would happen in terms of the direction of focus for Voyager with the BYTAL-one data. If that reads out positively in the patients, what does that mean strategically in terms of the focus? Speaker 1300:47:08Obviously, that's in as an antibody right now, but how does that shift or change the focus on other tracer programs assuming success there? Speaker 200:47:18Well, Laura, thanks for the question. I think what you're implying is that we would have a choice of whether we proceed with the BY Tau-one program as an intravenous antibody or whether we could vectorize the antibody. We actually do have that option. We may actually do both in fact. I've always been thinking though that strategically wouldn't make sense for Voyager, a small company like us to try to go into Phase 3 or commercialize in Alzheimer's disease. Speaker 200:47:53It's too large, too expensive. So we've always thought we will likely get a partner if the BY Tau-one program is positive. But I do think that the option to potentially vectorize a once and done antibody could be of high interest to us and we'll make that decision when the time comes. Speaker 400:48:17Thanks very much. Operator00:48:20Thank you. One moment for next question. Our next question comes from the line of Joon Lee of Tru Securities. Your line is now open. Speaker 500:48:36Hi. Following Laura's question, last week in ASUCD, Regeneron suggested in some of the presentation that compared to cassette inserted vectorized antibodies, the expression of sorry, cassette inserted antibodies, the vectorized antibodies had lower expression. Do you expect the same for your rexterase antibody platform in general and specifically for the Alzheimer's rexterase antibody? And if could you share any plans that you have for preclinical data of that in this program? Speaker 200:49:28Yes. Let me start and then I'll ask Todd to help. So when we vectorize an antibody, we did show at a meeting, I think it was last year or 2 years ago, that we can vectorize an anti amyloid antibody and get enough expression to bind to amyloid plaques in transgenic mice. And correct me if I'm wrong on that thought. So we can get enough expression to bind to amyloid plaques in animals. Speaker 200:49:59We'll have to see. My view is that a lot is going to change relative to IV. So we're going to lose the Cmaxes, if you will, the high concentrations that you get immediately after IV dosing. We expect to have more constitutive expression from within the central nervous system. So we expect that they'll have mainly glial cells producing the antibody as we've shown in the past and that we will and so it will be sort of an inside out if you will approach rather than giving it IV and having it across the vasculature to get into the brain, it will be made in the brain directly. Speaker 200:50:42And then we would be able to look in animal models at the not only binding to amyloid plaques, but we will be assessing whether or not we can lower amyloid plaques. And there's some precedents we can follow in vivo studies that have been done with the anti amyloid antibodies. And then of course, we'll have to see whether or not we affect any adverse events. One concept would be that ARIA the rates of ARIA may be affected by the fact that we don't get the C MAXs and we have constituent of expression from within the brain. We'll have to see if that's true. Speaker 200:51:20And there are some animal models that mimic ARIA, whether they truly are ARIA or not, well, I'm not certain, but we can even assess that. And finally, I would say that one of the things we're investigating right now is whether or not we can regulate the expression of the antibody with a small molecule. And so a regulatable vectorized antibody program would I think be ideal. And so those are the kinds of things we're thinking about in terms of preclinical experiments that would help us get to a development candidate. Todd, did you want to add anything? Speaker 400:51:57I can add a little bit. So while the DY tau-one, the focus there is on the antibody itself, not on a vectorized form. We do have substantial experience going back several years on vectorization of antibodies in general, including tau antibodies and the amyloid that Al mentioned and others. And we found that the payload can matter quite a bit of the structure of the vector payload, the vector genome and of course the promoter. So there are a lot of things that we can do, some of which Al mentioned to tweak the expression level, not just on the promoter, but by the kinds of cells, the specific cell types that you target as well. Speaker 400:52:39And so we'll be looking at all of those characteristics when we move any vectorized form of an antibody gene therapy based antibody forward. Speaker 200:52:50I would just add that in the real world being able to give it a vectorized anti amyloid once IV and not have to give it every other week or every month could really relieve the strain on the healthcare system that I think we're witnessing now with antibody treatments for Alzheimer's disease. Speaker 500:53:12Very helpful. And if I can sneak in one last question. So between now and second half of twenty twenty six that you hopefully present like PET imaging data or re:1.5. How we should think about like cadence of any interim data release related to your findings along the way? Speaker 700:53:38Toby? Speaker 300:53:42I think what we've highlighted for the SAD program, it will inform the MAD program and I think really the key data readout in the next in that timeframe really is the MAD data in the latter half of 2026. Yes. Thank you very much. Operator00:54:01Thank you. I'm showing no further questions at this time. I would now like to turn it back to Alserna for closing remarks. Speaker 200:54:08Thank you everyone for joining us today and feel free to follow-up directly with any questions. Thanks again. Bye. Operator00:54:18Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's presentation. Thank you once again for your participation. You may now disconnect.Read morePowered by