NASDAQ:DCTH Delcath Systems Q1 2024 Earnings Report $12.40 +0.32 (+2.65%) Closing price 05/2/2025 04:00 PM EasternExtended Trading$12.39 -0.01 (-0.08%) As of 05/2/2025 04:40 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings HistoryForecast Delcath Systems EPS ResultsActual EPS-$0.43Consensus EPS -$0.43Beat/MissMet ExpectationsOne Year Ago EPSN/ADelcath Systems Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$3.14 millionExpected Revenue$3.70 millionBeat/MissMissed by -$560.00 thousandYoY Revenue GrowthN/ADelcath Systems Announcement DetailsQuarterQ1 2024Date5/14/2024TimeN/AConference Call DateTuesday, May 14, 2024Conference Call Time8:30AM ETUpcoming EarningsDelcath Systems' Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Thursday, May 8, 2025, with a conference call scheduled at 8:30 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Q1 2025 Earnings ReportConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Delcath Systems Q1 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMay 14, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 9 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good day, and welcome to the Delcat Systems First Quarter Fiscal Year 20 24 Financial Results Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen only mode. Please note that this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to David Hoffman, Delcat General Counsel. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:41Thank you. And once again, welcome to Delcat Systems' 2024 First Quarter Earnings and Business Highlights Call. With me on the call are Gerard Michel, Chief Executive Officer Sandra Pinnell, Senior Vice President of Finance Kevin Muir, General Manager, Interventional Oncology Bojal Vukovic, Chief Medical Officer and Martha Rook, Chief Operating Officer. I'd like to begin the call by reading the Safe Harbor statement. This statement is made pursuant to the Safe Harbor for forward looking statements described in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Speaker 100:01:25All statements made on this call, with the exception of historical facts, may be considered forward looking statements within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 and Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. Although the company believes that expectations and assumptions reflected in these forward looking statements are reasonable, it makes no assurance that such expectations will prove to have been correct. Actual results may differ materially from those expressed or implied in forward looking statements due to various risks and uncertainties. For a discussion of such risks and uncertainties, which could cause actual results to differ from those expected or implied in the forward looking statements, please see risk factors detailed in the company's annual report on Form 10 ks, those contained in subsequently filed quarterly reports on Form 10 Q as well as in other reports that the company files from time to time with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Any forward looking statements included in this call are made only as of the date of this call. Speaker 100:02:42We do not undertake any obligation to update or supplement any forward looking statements to reflect subsequent knowledge, events or circumstances. Now, I would like to turn the call over to Gerard Michel. Gerard, please proceed. Speaker 200:02:59Thank you, everyone, for joining today. This is the Q1 Delcap is reporting U. S. Revenue, a significant milestone for the company. In the Q1, revenue from our sales of HEBSATO was $2,000,000 and for ChemoSat $1,100,000 Given the March start for 3 of the 4 U. Speaker 200:03:18S. Centers active in the Q1 and the temporary use of product sampling for some of the initial proctored cases, the $2,000,000 in U. S. Revenue was predominantly generated by treatments at Moffett, with the balance of the other three centers activated in the Q1 starting to generate consistent revenue in the 2nd quarter. As we have discussed in prior calls, the pace of revenue growth in the short to medium term will be determined by the rate at which we can train and activate new treating centers. Speaker 200:03:49Since our launch in January and in the 7 weeks since our recent Q4 call, we have made steady progress in expanding the number of centers we are engaged with and actively training. We ended the Q1 with 4 active sites, Moffett Cancer Center, Stanford University Cancer Center, Thomas Jefferson University and the University of Wisconsin. As of today, there are 6 active treating centers with the University of Tennessee and the UCLA Cancer Center having recently conducted their first commercial treatments. A further 5 centers have completed the necessary steps to conduct their first commercial treatment under the guidance of a proctor once hospital formulary committee approval is obtained and are in the process of identifying and scheduling the first patients for treatment with hepzado. In total, there are 11 centers, an increase of 2 from our last call, currently accepting patient referrals and listed on our healthcare setting locator. Speaker 200:04:50Beyond those 11 centers, another 7 centers currently have preceptorships scheduled or partway through the preceptorship training. To date, we have had over 100 perfusionists, anesthesiologists and interventional radiologists attend preceptor ships representing over 20 institutions in the U. S. With some institutions sending multiple healthcare providers the same specialty. As a reminder, the entire process from initially scheduling a preceptorship to activation can take approximately 3 months. Speaker 200:05:23Given the significant level of commitment required from healthcare providers to become fully trained and certified under the REMS program, we believe all the healthcare providers on the cancer centers involved to date intend to incorporate Hebsado as a core part of their treatment regime for metastatic uveal melanoma patients. We continue to expand the number of centers with which we are engaging with over 30 centers now somewhere in the process from preliminary discussions regarding the steps required to become a treating center to actively treating patients. There has been a definite increase in interest, partially due to physician to treating centers sharing their experience with physicians at other centers, which are not yet involved. There is certainly a component of what I might characterize as informal and independent peer to peer engagement occurring. In addition, increased interest can also be attributed to our permanent and product specific J code becoming effective on April 1. Speaker 200:06:21While we are aware that hospitals have successfully been reimbursed for the treatment using this LENIA C code prior to April 1, the establishment of the permanent J code has definitely simplified the reimbursement process and the willingness of formulary committees to approve the use of hepato. We believe we are on track to have 20 active centers by the end of 2024. The approximate anticipated pacing of center activation remains at 10 active centers by the end of the second quarter, 15 by the end of the third quarter and 20 treating centers by year end. Our projected average treatments percent remains at approximately 1 per month, ramping to a run rate of approximately 1.5 treatments per month by mid year and then reaching a run rate of 2 treatments per month late in Q4. It is important to note that given our expected ramp for both treatment for center volume and center activation, We should achieve $10,000,000 in U. Speaker 200:07:18S. Quarterly revenue in 2024, which will likely result in $25,000,000 of cash proceeds from the exercise of the final tranche of warrants issued as part of our March 2023 financing. Sandro will share additional details on our financials in a moment, but I want to highlight that our effective gross margin in the Q1 was approximately 60% despite the modest initial volume. In addition to the significant commercial activity, we continue to support both internal and external efforts to add to a growing body of evidence that the PHP procedure is an important treatment options for patients with liver dominant and UBM melanoma as well as potentially other liver dominant cancers. Recently, we announced the publication of results from the pivotal Phase III focused study of hepato in patients with unresectable metastatic uveal melanoma in the journals Annals of Surgical Oncology. Speaker 200:08:14As previously disclosed at ASCO, the publication reported a statistically significantly higher overall response rate of 36.3% for hepsado versus 5.5% from a meta analysis of historical controls. Other efficacy endpoints include a 7% complete response rate with a 73.6% disease control rate. In addition, results from the early randomized stage of the FOCUS trial, which was initiated as a randomized 2 arm trial but completed as a single arm study, will be presented at a poster session at the upcoming ASCO Annual Meeting in Chicago. Later in the year, we expect also to publish an expanded analysis of various patient subpopulations in a peer reviewed journal. Liver dominant metastatic disease is a significant therapeutic challenge in the area of high unmet medical need for many solid tumor types. Speaker 200:09:11To support additional clinical development in some of these areas, it is important for the company to build a strong commercial foundation in metastatic uveal melanoma in the U. S, both for purposes of funding trials as well as creating a network of treating centers. We are well on our way to accomplishing this. While the interest level from interventional rating Operator00:09:30I'm unable to hear you. Speaker 200:09:33You're unable to hear me? Speaker 300:09:36Yes. You're audible. Operator00:09:37Please go ahead. Yes, we can hear you now. Speaker 200:09:42Can you hear me now? Operator00:09:45Hello? Yes, Gerard. We can hear you. You can go ahead. Speaker 200:09:49And when did I drop off? Can you tell me when I dropped off? Operator00:09:56We couldn't hear you for about 20 seconds. Speaker 200:10:01Sandra, do you know where I dropped off? Speaker 400:10:04I heard you the whole time, but if you want to start back around, Fiasco in Chicago perhaps. Okay. Speaker 200:10:12So you heard me the whole time. All right. Speaker 400:10:14I did. Speaker 200:10:15Always some technical difficulties somewhere. So let me rewind here. And apologies to the listening audience here. All right. I'm going to just pick up with later in the year, we expect expanded analyses of various patient subpopulations pivotal focus study to be published in a peer reviewed journal. Speaker 200:10:39Liver dominant metastatic disease is a significant therapeutic challenge in an area of high unmet medical need for many solid tumor types. To support additional clinical development in some of these areas, it is important for the company to build a strong commercial foundation in metastatic uveal melanoma in the U. S, both for purposes of funding trials as well as creating a network of treating centers. We are well on our way to accomplishing this. While the interest level from interventional radiologists in investigating the use of HEBSADA and ChemoSat to treat other liver dominant cancers has been high for many years, this has not necessarily been the case for oncologists outside of Meditech uveal melanoma. Speaker 200:11:20The launch of hepsado in major cancer centers is increasing the level of interest from a broader set of oncologists to study hepsado used in treating other cancers, such as colorectal, intrahepatic cholangiocarcinoma and breast cancer. As mentioned in the previous quarterly call, we plan to initiate 1 or more clinical trials in hepato and other tumor types within approximately a year and we'll provide further updates on those activities later this year. The CHOPAN trial, which is evaluating the effect of sequencing immunotherapy with chemo stat liver directed therapy is expected to be fully enrolled by the end of 24. As SHOPAN is an investigator initiated trial, we do not control the timing of data release. However, our understanding is that the study results, including the primary endpoint, are still planned to be presented at a major oncology conference in the Q2 of 2025. Speaker 200:12:13In summary, the company continues to activate centers consistent with our center activation guidance. In addition, while the treatment of metastatic UV on melanoma patients will support significant growth for the foreseeable future, we are planning to pursue additional indications given the tremendous unmet need for patients suffering cancer of the liver. I will now hand the call over to Sandra to share some details on our financial position. Sandra? Speaker 400:12:40Thank you, Gerard. We ended Q1 with $27,200,000 in cash and investments and cash were approximately $9,600,000 in the Q1. The change in cash from year end is due to the use of cash required primarily for launch and center activation, offset by the 2024 private placement financing of $7,000,000 It is important to note that this financing was supported entirely by DowCast senior executives, board members and existing institutional investors. We believe that our current financial resources are adequate to fund operations until the company achieves $10,000,000 in U. S. Speaker 400:13:17Quarterly revenue, which would likely trigger a warrant exercise resulting in $25,000,000 dollars in proceeds. This $25,000,000 should be sufficient to fund the company until we become cash flow positive. As Gerard previously mentioned, we remain confident we will achieve $10,000,000 in quarterly revenue in the U. S. No later than the Q4 of this year. Speaker 400:13:39Revenue from our sales of HEZADA were $2,000,000 and ChemoSat was $1,100,000 for the 3 months ended March 31, 2024, compared to $600,000 for ChemoSat during the same period in 2023. Gross margins were 71% in the Q1 of launch. Cost of goods sold did include a positive adjustment for standard cost revaluation, a non recurring item. Without the adjustment, margins would have been approximately 60%. For the 3 months ended March 31, 2024, research and development expenses were $3,700,000 compared to $4,700,000 for the 3 months ended March 31, 2023. Speaker 400:14:19The change in R and D expense is primarily due to a decrease in clinical trial activities offset by an increase in personnel related expenses. For the 3 months ended March 31, 2024, compared to the same period in 2023, selling, general and administrative expenses increased to $8,800,000 from $4,200,000 The increase is due to activities to prepare for commercial launch, including marketing related expenses and additional personnel in the commercial team. Thank you. Back to you. Operator00:15:34The first question is from the line of Bill Bohn from Canaccord Genuity. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:15:41Good morning and congrats on the strong early launch. I have three quick questions for you. So first one, just thinking through realized revenue per kit, I know you've said before that you're selling direct, so you expect to there to not be a gross margin. So just quickly looking at the math here, does your revenue for Q1 reflect 11 kits sold? Is it that simple math? Speaker 500:16:09Second question is on your EU revenue. Obviously, in absolute terms, it was a modest tick up, but in percentage terms, it was a very noticeable tick up in Q1. So is that a sustainable growth we're seeing or just some quarter to quarter variability? And then finally, at scale, what do you expect gross margins to approach? Thank you. Speaker 200:16:38All right. Let's kick those off one at a time. 11 kits that you're pretty good at math. There is we're shipping direct, so it's a fairly simple analysis, given our pricing is $18,250,000,000 Second question in terms of Europe, we actually finally got a rep in Germany established. So that's and she's been out there for about a year and change, but she's really finally getting some traction. Speaker 200:17:11Germany is the only in Europe where there is really a consistent form of reimbursement. It's a ZE scheme where the hospital has to actually budget for the project for the use of the product and estimate how much they'll use in the prior year. So it's taken this rep a good year to get things built, get in front of the hospital, say, hey, you need to budget for this. So I think we'll continue to see a fair amount of growth out of Germany, given I think probably at best we have maybe 15% penetration. So I think there's a way to go there as well. Speaker 200:17:45And lastly, in terms of gross margins, I think that at peak revenue, I would expect we should be closing in on perhaps close to 90% gross margins. It will take us a good year and change probably to get to that point. But I think that will probably be peak in terms of our gross margins. Speaker 500:18:02Okay. And a quick follow-up as I was thinking through that answer. The $10,000,000 in a quarter that triggers the next tranche, is that just U. S. HEBSADA or is that worldwide revenue? Speaker 200:18:13Just U. S. Speaker 500:18:14Okay. Thank you. Operator00:18:21Thank you. The next question is from the line of Marie Thibault with BTIG. Please go ahead. Speaker 600:18:31Hi, good morning, Gerard and Sandra and congrats on a really strong start to your commercialization here. I wanted to ask a little bit about the patient profile of treated patients you're seeing so far. How are they doing? Are they coming back for additional cycles? Are you seeing any first line treatments? Speaker 600:18:48Just any 11 treatments if you can? Speaker 200:18:53Yes. I think since the end is fairly low, it will be hard to give specific trends. Kevin, why don't you comment on the variety that we've been seeing? Speaker 700:19:05Sure, Gerard. Thank you. Marie, we've seen we've kind of seen them all to this point with 11 treatments. We do have first line treatments as first line patients as well as patients that have received other treatments. When you launch a cancer drug, they just don't stop the patients just don't stop the current treatments. Speaker 700:19:28They go through their current line of treatment and then when they progress off that they go to the next line. So we're seeing a combination right now of first line and second and third line patients. Speaker 200:19:44Yes. And I would add, Marina, that we're seeing patients who are coming off of tebbi, coming off of Ipinivo. And then, yes, we are getting referring patients. They are we have to see no trend of patients dropping off early in terms of not coming back for retreatment. However, early days, so can't quite take that to the bank, but encouraging that patients coming back for retreatment. Speaker 600:20:11Yes, encouraging indeed. Okay. And then I wanted to ask about reimbursement. Are you seeing any pushback or any hurdles to getting those It doesn't look like it so far. I just want to hear how that's trending. Speaker 600:20:24And then with the J code and TPT status going into effect in April, what you've noticed so far here in your Q2 if customers are having success with that J code if everything's going smoothly? Thanks for taking the questions. Speaker 200:20:37Yes. Obviously, we're not sitting there submitting for reimbursement. The hospitals are we know stuff anecdotally, and I'll ask Kevin to comment on that for a moment. I will say though the hospitals are paying us. We are getting checks from them. Speaker 200:20:53So that's encouraging from our end. But Kevin, why don't you talk a little bit about the change you've seen in front of the various formulary and finance committees since the J code has been in place? Speaker 700:21:09Sure. I'll echo George's view from his statement. We are aware that the codes or the claims from the quarter, which were using temporary codes or miscellaneous codes, were accepted and were paid. That's great news. And when you look at the J code, it is just simplified matters for the hospital, for their claims. Speaker 700:21:37So for the hospitals that are open and have patients that are treating, claims have been much easier. And I think the biggest thing for us through this launch has been the formulary process. It's a much easier process and much more predictable for the hospitals that we are attempting to open right now. So the formulary process has been much smoother. J code and the HCPCS approval as well as the pass through approval has streamlined things and it's just made the process for the hospitals much more predictable. Speaker 700:22:14There's a fee schedule, they can look at it and they can understand all of those things and they can make their financial decisions and their revenue, predictability in the future, much easier. That's really helping us as we go through our hospital activation. Speaker 600:22:30Thank you, Kevin. Speaker 300:22:32You're welcome. Operator00:22:37Thank you. The next question is from the line of Sudan Ranganathan with Stephens. Please go ahead. Speaker 800:22:46Yes. Thank you, Gerard and Sandra for taking my questions. So real quick first question. Curious if the physicians are seeing patients that have been treated on ChemTraq or coming on first line? And then even how the physicians are viewing the treatment landscape now that IMZADOQUID is available and launching at this point, and as this the treatment landscape also develops in the coming years? Speaker 800:23:19And then secondly, whenever you're looking at future developments in R and D, is that something that will be funded through the outcomes of the revenues of Xetokit? Or is there they just want to see your views on that for future R and D development and how you'd support Speaker 200:23:39that? Sure. First off, Sudan, welcome to the fold. Appreciate the coverage. In terms of are we seeing patients post chemtraq, I think the answer is yes. Speaker 200:23:52I can't tell you how many, but we saw patients post chemtraq in the clinical trial and we've seen patients post contract in the commercial setting. Given HIPAA, etcetera, we can't say, hey, what's this patient been on? But we do have someone from the company in every treatment. And they are occasionally the physician will share with the rep or the clinical support specialist the history of the patient. So the answer is yes on that. Speaker 200:24:20In terms of how the treatment regime and how people view the landscape, how that's changing, I think that varies by doc. Some of them are trying to figure out, do they use Liber directed first with us approved now with a specific product approved? Or do they go with systemic first? And I think there's a variety of opinions out there. So I think it varies dramatically. Speaker 200:24:49But these patients, unfortunately, for the patients all progress. It's very rare you get someone who has a complete response that lasts for a decade or so. And unfortunately for the patients, companies such as us and ImmunoCor will for their subset of patients probably will have a shot at most patients in terms of a line of treatment. Speaker 800:25:16Got you. That's great. And then secondly, just in terms of your R and D future plan. Yes. Speaker 200:25:24Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Speaker 200:25:24Yes. Yes. Speaker 300:25:24Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Speaker 300:25:25I view that. Speaker 200:25:26How are we going to fund that is the question. Yes. The plan the hope and plan is to fund it off the P and L. I don't want to be a serial fundraiser. I think most people who have spoken to me know I'm sensitive dilution as any investor. Speaker 200:25:47Now if the stock works dramatically and there is tremendous opportunity in other indications, yes, we But our preference is not to have to raise a lot of equity capital to fund this to do it off the P and L. And we think that's feasible. It really depends on how much share of penetration we get in this indication. But if we get a meaningful penetration into it, I think that the capital should be there to fund a robust development program. Speaker 800:26:21Got you. Thank you. And again, congrats on the great launch here. Speaker 200:26:25Thank you. Operator00:26:28Thank you. Next question is from the line of Yale Jen with Laidlaw and Company. Please go ahead. Speaker 300:26:37Good morning and thanks for taking the question and my congrats on the strong launch as well. Just quick few three questions here. First one is that given the Q1 revenue treatment mostly predominantly from Moffett and let's say of 11 cases. Should we consider Moffitt still be a dominant would contribute as a dominantly going forward for the remaining of the year? And okay, so that's first question. Speaker 200:27:14Yes. I think Moffett, I think it's probably going to be something in the on a run rate basis if they continued as they are to date, something 40 plus a year again, if they continue as they have to date. There will be other centers that although we hope for more may only do one every 4 or 5 weeks. And that's kind of where the average comes from that I've given in terms of guidance. But yes, Moffett is probably going to be one of a handful of players that are doing regularly doing 1 a week, if we fast forward in the year. Speaker 300:27:51Okay, great. That's very helpful. And the second question is that just follow-up the first one as the I just want to know that in terms of European revenue, would that be I mean, this quarter's revenue, would that be something we should sort of base upon as a base moving forward? Or again, just a fracture or just a fluctuation for the Speaker 200:28:21overall Yes. No, I think we'll continue to see some I don't want to say growth at that level because even though it's a small number that type of growth would compound rather quickly. But I think we'll continue to see growth primarily driven by Germany. But I think this level that we're seeing now is more of a realistic level than we had in the past. For reasons, it doesn't really matter to get into, the territories are fairly empty. Speaker 200:28:47And right now, we only have one rep in all of Europe and she's in Germany. Hiring somebody to start in the U. K. Shortly with the mindset reimbursement might be coming there in the next year or change. But yes, I think this is a good baseline to work from Yale. Speaker 300:29:04Okay, great. Maybe the last question here is that one of the important piece of your growth is getting more general oncologists as a referral and approaching them. So any updates in terms of the current status? And what do you anticipate over the next 12 months in terms of this endeavor? Thanks. Speaker 200:29:27Yes. If I kind of tiered the commercial efforts, it would be first, let's get these sites open. And then let's talk to the oncologists at those sites and make sure they're referring their own patients to the for treatment. And that's probably a larger part of the activity of our oncology reps, the reps who are meant to call on oncologists and try to get referrals going. It's probably been focused to a large extent on the sites that were opened or pending opening and they've been trained. Speaker 200:30:06We have been successful in getting referrals. We've gotten patients referred to Moffitt's 1, for example, but we've gotten patients referred to other sites. I think 6 to 12 months from now, getting referrals going will become increasingly critical and probably the primary driver of growth. But it's early days right now because our focus more is on opening the centers and then secondarily, let's get the patients out of those centers treated. Speaker 300:30:35Okay, great. Thanks a lot again. Congrats on the progress. Speaker 200:30:39Thank you. Operator00:30:42Thank you. The next question is from the line of Sean Lee with H. C. Wainwright. Please go ahead. Speaker 300:30:56Hey, good morning, guys. Congrats on a solid quarter and thanks for taking my questions. I just have two quick ones. Firstly, you mentioned 50 sites as your initial goal. I was wondering whether it's how easy is it to increase the rate that you are getting these sites active? Speaker 300:31:16And also what percentage of the U. S. Patient base do you expect these safety sites will be able to cover? Speaker 200:31:26Okay. How many sites did you say? I'm sorry, did you say 50 sites? Speaker 300:31:34I believe you said you previously said that your initial goal was the 50 sites in the U. S. Speaker 200:31:42Yes, I think yes, the number is probably going to be 25 to 35 is our current kind of window that we're thinking about. And of course, claiming full license to change that significantly if we believe it's worthwhile to go beyond that number. The 25 to 35 treating centers, if you look at just the patients being treated there, it's probably half or maybe a bit under half. But most a lot of patients get a single consult or 2 consults at one of those sites and then go and have their local oncologists kind of manage their treatment based on what they learned in the consult. We will need to get a bite at in the full market. Speaker 200:32:27We will need to be able to generate referral patterns. But again, I think that's quite doable, given that with payer data nowadays, you know who has these patients. So we'll be very focused on that. And as I mentioned before, that importance of that growth driver will really come to the fore probably sometime next year. Right now, let's get the sites open and get the patients treated. Speaker 200:32:52They're already being seen by the oncologists at that site. Speaker 300:32:57I see. That's very helpful. Thanks. My second question is on reimbursement. I was wondering, would you be needing to seek additional reimbursement from private payers? Speaker 300:33:06Or is that not a big portion of the overall patient population? Speaker 200:33:12No, it's a significant portion of the patient population. I think probably a little bit over half based on our research. But what happens, you generally don't get medical policy developed for an ultra, ultra orphan product such as this. The payers depending on the size of the payer and as you know it's highly fragmented. Some of them might not see a claim for every 2 years and other one might see 1, 2 a year. Speaker 200:33:37But it's not going to be the volume or the level that it's going to take to need to develop medical policy. And generally, we have not seen any pushback from any commercial payers. And based on my from any commercial payers. And based on my own experience, I don't expect to see that for this ultra orphan indication. It's on label. Speaker 200:33:56There really there's very little options for these patients. The only other option for a subset of these patients and they're not necessarily competitive is to bet the first and we're essentially in the same ballpark as they are in terms of pricing. Speaker 300:34:12Great. Thanks for that. And that's all the questions I have. Operator00:34:21Thank you. Speaker 200:34:26Okay. I guess that's it for the questions. Go ahead. I'll just close-up here. So thanks everybody for your time today. Speaker 200:34:38I look forward to giving another update in August. And until then, enjoy your summer. Take care. Operator00:34:48Thank you. The conference call has now concluded. 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Email Address About Delcath SystemsDelcath Systems (NASDAQ:DCTH), an interventional oncology company, focuses on the treatment of primary and metastatic liver cancers in the United States and Europe. The company's lead product candidate is HEPZATO KIT, a melphalan for injection/hepatic delivery system to administer high-dose chemotherapy to the liver while controlling systemic exposure and associated side effects. Its clinical development program for HEPZATO is the FOCUS clinical trial for patients with metastatic hepatic dominant Uveal Melanoma to investigate objective response rate in metastatic uveal melanoma. It also provides HEPZATO as a stand-alone medical device under the CHEMOSAT Hepatic Delivery System trade name for Melphalan or CHEMOSAT for medical centers to treat a range of liver cancers in Europe. 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There are 9 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good day, and welcome to the Delcat Systems First Quarter Fiscal Year 20 24 Financial Results Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen only mode. Please note that this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to David Hoffman, Delcat General Counsel. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:41Thank you. And once again, welcome to Delcat Systems' 2024 First Quarter Earnings and Business Highlights Call. With me on the call are Gerard Michel, Chief Executive Officer Sandra Pinnell, Senior Vice President of Finance Kevin Muir, General Manager, Interventional Oncology Bojal Vukovic, Chief Medical Officer and Martha Rook, Chief Operating Officer. I'd like to begin the call by reading the Safe Harbor statement. This statement is made pursuant to the Safe Harbor for forward looking statements described in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Speaker 100:01:25All statements made on this call, with the exception of historical facts, may be considered forward looking statements within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 and Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. Although the company believes that expectations and assumptions reflected in these forward looking statements are reasonable, it makes no assurance that such expectations will prove to have been correct. Actual results may differ materially from those expressed or implied in forward looking statements due to various risks and uncertainties. For a discussion of such risks and uncertainties, which could cause actual results to differ from those expected or implied in the forward looking statements, please see risk factors detailed in the company's annual report on Form 10 ks, those contained in subsequently filed quarterly reports on Form 10 Q as well as in other reports that the company files from time to time with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Any forward looking statements included in this call are made only as of the date of this call. Speaker 100:02:42We do not undertake any obligation to update or supplement any forward looking statements to reflect subsequent knowledge, events or circumstances. Now, I would like to turn the call over to Gerard Michel. Gerard, please proceed. Speaker 200:02:59Thank you, everyone, for joining today. This is the Q1 Delcap is reporting U. S. Revenue, a significant milestone for the company. In the Q1, revenue from our sales of HEBSATO was $2,000,000 and for ChemoSat $1,100,000 Given the March start for 3 of the 4 U. Speaker 200:03:18S. Centers active in the Q1 and the temporary use of product sampling for some of the initial proctored cases, the $2,000,000 in U. S. Revenue was predominantly generated by treatments at Moffett, with the balance of the other three centers activated in the Q1 starting to generate consistent revenue in the 2nd quarter. As we have discussed in prior calls, the pace of revenue growth in the short to medium term will be determined by the rate at which we can train and activate new treating centers. Speaker 200:03:49Since our launch in January and in the 7 weeks since our recent Q4 call, we have made steady progress in expanding the number of centers we are engaged with and actively training. We ended the Q1 with 4 active sites, Moffett Cancer Center, Stanford University Cancer Center, Thomas Jefferson University and the University of Wisconsin. As of today, there are 6 active treating centers with the University of Tennessee and the UCLA Cancer Center having recently conducted their first commercial treatments. A further 5 centers have completed the necessary steps to conduct their first commercial treatment under the guidance of a proctor once hospital formulary committee approval is obtained and are in the process of identifying and scheduling the first patients for treatment with hepzado. In total, there are 11 centers, an increase of 2 from our last call, currently accepting patient referrals and listed on our healthcare setting locator. Speaker 200:04:50Beyond those 11 centers, another 7 centers currently have preceptorships scheduled or partway through the preceptorship training. To date, we have had over 100 perfusionists, anesthesiologists and interventional radiologists attend preceptor ships representing over 20 institutions in the U. S. With some institutions sending multiple healthcare providers the same specialty. As a reminder, the entire process from initially scheduling a preceptorship to activation can take approximately 3 months. Speaker 200:05:23Given the significant level of commitment required from healthcare providers to become fully trained and certified under the REMS program, we believe all the healthcare providers on the cancer centers involved to date intend to incorporate Hebsado as a core part of their treatment regime for metastatic uveal melanoma patients. We continue to expand the number of centers with which we are engaging with over 30 centers now somewhere in the process from preliminary discussions regarding the steps required to become a treating center to actively treating patients. There has been a definite increase in interest, partially due to physician to treating centers sharing their experience with physicians at other centers, which are not yet involved. There is certainly a component of what I might characterize as informal and independent peer to peer engagement occurring. In addition, increased interest can also be attributed to our permanent and product specific J code becoming effective on April 1. Speaker 200:06:21While we are aware that hospitals have successfully been reimbursed for the treatment using this LENIA C code prior to April 1, the establishment of the permanent J code has definitely simplified the reimbursement process and the willingness of formulary committees to approve the use of hepato. We believe we are on track to have 20 active centers by the end of 2024. The approximate anticipated pacing of center activation remains at 10 active centers by the end of the second quarter, 15 by the end of the third quarter and 20 treating centers by year end. Our projected average treatments percent remains at approximately 1 per month, ramping to a run rate of approximately 1.5 treatments per month by mid year and then reaching a run rate of 2 treatments per month late in Q4. It is important to note that given our expected ramp for both treatment for center volume and center activation, We should achieve $10,000,000 in U. Speaker 200:07:18S. Quarterly revenue in 2024, which will likely result in $25,000,000 of cash proceeds from the exercise of the final tranche of warrants issued as part of our March 2023 financing. Sandro will share additional details on our financials in a moment, but I want to highlight that our effective gross margin in the Q1 was approximately 60% despite the modest initial volume. In addition to the significant commercial activity, we continue to support both internal and external efforts to add to a growing body of evidence that the PHP procedure is an important treatment options for patients with liver dominant and UBM melanoma as well as potentially other liver dominant cancers. Recently, we announced the publication of results from the pivotal Phase III focused study of hepato in patients with unresectable metastatic uveal melanoma in the journals Annals of Surgical Oncology. Speaker 200:08:14As previously disclosed at ASCO, the publication reported a statistically significantly higher overall response rate of 36.3% for hepsado versus 5.5% from a meta analysis of historical controls. Other efficacy endpoints include a 7% complete response rate with a 73.6% disease control rate. In addition, results from the early randomized stage of the FOCUS trial, which was initiated as a randomized 2 arm trial but completed as a single arm study, will be presented at a poster session at the upcoming ASCO Annual Meeting in Chicago. Later in the year, we expect also to publish an expanded analysis of various patient subpopulations in a peer reviewed journal. Liver dominant metastatic disease is a significant therapeutic challenge in the area of high unmet medical need for many solid tumor types. Speaker 200:09:11To support additional clinical development in some of these areas, it is important for the company to build a strong commercial foundation in metastatic uveal melanoma in the U. S, both for purposes of funding trials as well as creating a network of treating centers. We are well on our way to accomplishing this. While the interest level from interventional rating Operator00:09:30I'm unable to hear you. Speaker 200:09:33You're unable to hear me? Speaker 300:09:36Yes. You're audible. Operator00:09:37Please go ahead. Yes, we can hear you now. Speaker 200:09:42Can you hear me now? Operator00:09:45Hello? Yes, Gerard. We can hear you. You can go ahead. Speaker 200:09:49And when did I drop off? Can you tell me when I dropped off? Operator00:09:56We couldn't hear you for about 20 seconds. Speaker 200:10:01Sandra, do you know where I dropped off? Speaker 400:10:04I heard you the whole time, but if you want to start back around, Fiasco in Chicago perhaps. Okay. Speaker 200:10:12So you heard me the whole time. All right. Speaker 400:10:14I did. Speaker 200:10:15Always some technical difficulties somewhere. So let me rewind here. And apologies to the listening audience here. All right. I'm going to just pick up with later in the year, we expect expanded analyses of various patient subpopulations pivotal focus study to be published in a peer reviewed journal. Speaker 200:10:39Liver dominant metastatic disease is a significant therapeutic challenge in an area of high unmet medical need for many solid tumor types. To support additional clinical development in some of these areas, it is important for the company to build a strong commercial foundation in metastatic uveal melanoma in the U. S, both for purposes of funding trials as well as creating a network of treating centers. We are well on our way to accomplishing this. While the interest level from interventional radiologists in investigating the use of HEBSADA and ChemoSat to treat other liver dominant cancers has been high for many years, this has not necessarily been the case for oncologists outside of Meditech uveal melanoma. Speaker 200:11:20The launch of hepsado in major cancer centers is increasing the level of interest from a broader set of oncologists to study hepsado used in treating other cancers, such as colorectal, intrahepatic cholangiocarcinoma and breast cancer. As mentioned in the previous quarterly call, we plan to initiate 1 or more clinical trials in hepato and other tumor types within approximately a year and we'll provide further updates on those activities later this year. The CHOPAN trial, which is evaluating the effect of sequencing immunotherapy with chemo stat liver directed therapy is expected to be fully enrolled by the end of 24. As SHOPAN is an investigator initiated trial, we do not control the timing of data release. However, our understanding is that the study results, including the primary endpoint, are still planned to be presented at a major oncology conference in the Q2 of 2025. Speaker 200:12:13In summary, the company continues to activate centers consistent with our center activation guidance. In addition, while the treatment of metastatic UV on melanoma patients will support significant growth for the foreseeable future, we are planning to pursue additional indications given the tremendous unmet need for patients suffering cancer of the liver. I will now hand the call over to Sandra to share some details on our financial position. Sandra? Speaker 400:12:40Thank you, Gerard. We ended Q1 with $27,200,000 in cash and investments and cash were approximately $9,600,000 in the Q1. The change in cash from year end is due to the use of cash required primarily for launch and center activation, offset by the 2024 private placement financing of $7,000,000 It is important to note that this financing was supported entirely by DowCast senior executives, board members and existing institutional investors. We believe that our current financial resources are adequate to fund operations until the company achieves $10,000,000 in U. S. Speaker 400:13:17Quarterly revenue, which would likely trigger a warrant exercise resulting in $25,000,000 dollars in proceeds. This $25,000,000 should be sufficient to fund the company until we become cash flow positive. As Gerard previously mentioned, we remain confident we will achieve $10,000,000 in quarterly revenue in the U. S. No later than the Q4 of this year. Speaker 400:13:39Revenue from our sales of HEZADA were $2,000,000 and ChemoSat was $1,100,000 for the 3 months ended March 31, 2024, compared to $600,000 for ChemoSat during the same period in 2023. Gross margins were 71% in the Q1 of launch. Cost of goods sold did include a positive adjustment for standard cost revaluation, a non recurring item. Without the adjustment, margins would have been approximately 60%. For the 3 months ended March 31, 2024, research and development expenses were $3,700,000 compared to $4,700,000 for the 3 months ended March 31, 2023. Speaker 400:14:19The change in R and D expense is primarily due to a decrease in clinical trial activities offset by an increase in personnel related expenses. For the 3 months ended March 31, 2024, compared to the same period in 2023, selling, general and administrative expenses increased to $8,800,000 from $4,200,000 The increase is due to activities to prepare for commercial launch, including marketing related expenses and additional personnel in the commercial team. Thank you. Back to you. Operator00:15:34The first question is from the line of Bill Bohn from Canaccord Genuity. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:15:41Good morning and congrats on the strong early launch. I have three quick questions for you. So first one, just thinking through realized revenue per kit, I know you've said before that you're selling direct, so you expect to there to not be a gross margin. So just quickly looking at the math here, does your revenue for Q1 reflect 11 kits sold? Is it that simple math? Speaker 500:16:09Second question is on your EU revenue. Obviously, in absolute terms, it was a modest tick up, but in percentage terms, it was a very noticeable tick up in Q1. So is that a sustainable growth we're seeing or just some quarter to quarter variability? And then finally, at scale, what do you expect gross margins to approach? Thank you. Speaker 200:16:38All right. Let's kick those off one at a time. 11 kits that you're pretty good at math. There is we're shipping direct, so it's a fairly simple analysis, given our pricing is $18,250,000,000 Second question in terms of Europe, we actually finally got a rep in Germany established. So that's and she's been out there for about a year and change, but she's really finally getting some traction. Speaker 200:17:11Germany is the only in Europe where there is really a consistent form of reimbursement. It's a ZE scheme where the hospital has to actually budget for the project for the use of the product and estimate how much they'll use in the prior year. So it's taken this rep a good year to get things built, get in front of the hospital, say, hey, you need to budget for this. So I think we'll continue to see a fair amount of growth out of Germany, given I think probably at best we have maybe 15% penetration. So I think there's a way to go there as well. Speaker 200:17:45And lastly, in terms of gross margins, I think that at peak revenue, I would expect we should be closing in on perhaps close to 90% gross margins. It will take us a good year and change probably to get to that point. But I think that will probably be peak in terms of our gross margins. Speaker 500:18:02Okay. And a quick follow-up as I was thinking through that answer. The $10,000,000 in a quarter that triggers the next tranche, is that just U. S. HEBSADA or is that worldwide revenue? Speaker 200:18:13Just U. S. Speaker 500:18:14Okay. Thank you. Operator00:18:21Thank you. The next question is from the line of Marie Thibault with BTIG. Please go ahead. Speaker 600:18:31Hi, good morning, Gerard and Sandra and congrats on a really strong start to your commercialization here. I wanted to ask a little bit about the patient profile of treated patients you're seeing so far. How are they doing? Are they coming back for additional cycles? Are you seeing any first line treatments? Speaker 600:18:48Just any 11 treatments if you can? Speaker 200:18:53Yes. I think since the end is fairly low, it will be hard to give specific trends. Kevin, why don't you comment on the variety that we've been seeing? Speaker 700:19:05Sure, Gerard. Thank you. Marie, we've seen we've kind of seen them all to this point with 11 treatments. We do have first line treatments as first line patients as well as patients that have received other treatments. When you launch a cancer drug, they just don't stop the patients just don't stop the current treatments. Speaker 700:19:28They go through their current line of treatment and then when they progress off that they go to the next line. So we're seeing a combination right now of first line and second and third line patients. Speaker 200:19:44Yes. And I would add, Marina, that we're seeing patients who are coming off of tebbi, coming off of Ipinivo. And then, yes, we are getting referring patients. They are we have to see no trend of patients dropping off early in terms of not coming back for retreatment. However, early days, so can't quite take that to the bank, but encouraging that patients coming back for retreatment. Speaker 600:20:11Yes, encouraging indeed. Okay. And then I wanted to ask about reimbursement. Are you seeing any pushback or any hurdles to getting those It doesn't look like it so far. I just want to hear how that's trending. Speaker 600:20:24And then with the J code and TPT status going into effect in April, what you've noticed so far here in your Q2 if customers are having success with that J code if everything's going smoothly? Thanks for taking the questions. Speaker 200:20:37Yes. Obviously, we're not sitting there submitting for reimbursement. The hospitals are we know stuff anecdotally, and I'll ask Kevin to comment on that for a moment. I will say though the hospitals are paying us. We are getting checks from them. Speaker 200:20:53So that's encouraging from our end. But Kevin, why don't you talk a little bit about the change you've seen in front of the various formulary and finance committees since the J code has been in place? Speaker 700:21:09Sure. I'll echo George's view from his statement. We are aware that the codes or the claims from the quarter, which were using temporary codes or miscellaneous codes, were accepted and were paid. That's great news. And when you look at the J code, it is just simplified matters for the hospital, for their claims. Speaker 700:21:37So for the hospitals that are open and have patients that are treating, claims have been much easier. And I think the biggest thing for us through this launch has been the formulary process. It's a much easier process and much more predictable for the hospitals that we are attempting to open right now. So the formulary process has been much smoother. J code and the HCPCS approval as well as the pass through approval has streamlined things and it's just made the process for the hospitals much more predictable. Speaker 700:22:14There's a fee schedule, they can look at it and they can understand all of those things and they can make their financial decisions and their revenue, predictability in the future, much easier. That's really helping us as we go through our hospital activation. Speaker 600:22:30Thank you, Kevin. Speaker 300:22:32You're welcome. Operator00:22:37Thank you. The next question is from the line of Sudan Ranganathan with Stephens. Please go ahead. Speaker 800:22:46Yes. Thank you, Gerard and Sandra for taking my questions. So real quick first question. Curious if the physicians are seeing patients that have been treated on ChemTraq or coming on first line? And then even how the physicians are viewing the treatment landscape now that IMZADOQUID is available and launching at this point, and as this the treatment landscape also develops in the coming years? Speaker 800:23:19And then secondly, whenever you're looking at future developments in R and D, is that something that will be funded through the outcomes of the revenues of Xetokit? Or is there they just want to see your views on that for future R and D development and how you'd support Speaker 200:23:39that? Sure. First off, Sudan, welcome to the fold. Appreciate the coverage. In terms of are we seeing patients post chemtraq, I think the answer is yes. Speaker 200:23:52I can't tell you how many, but we saw patients post chemtraq in the clinical trial and we've seen patients post contract in the commercial setting. Given HIPAA, etcetera, we can't say, hey, what's this patient been on? But we do have someone from the company in every treatment. And they are occasionally the physician will share with the rep or the clinical support specialist the history of the patient. So the answer is yes on that. Speaker 200:24:20In terms of how the treatment regime and how people view the landscape, how that's changing, I think that varies by doc. Some of them are trying to figure out, do they use Liber directed first with us approved now with a specific product approved? Or do they go with systemic first? And I think there's a variety of opinions out there. So I think it varies dramatically. Speaker 200:24:49But these patients, unfortunately, for the patients all progress. It's very rare you get someone who has a complete response that lasts for a decade or so. And unfortunately for the patients, companies such as us and ImmunoCor will for their subset of patients probably will have a shot at most patients in terms of a line of treatment. Speaker 800:25:16Got you. That's great. And then secondly, just in terms of your R and D future plan. Yes. Speaker 200:25:24Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Speaker 200:25:24Yes. Yes. Speaker 300:25:24Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Speaker 300:25:25I view that. Speaker 200:25:26How are we going to fund that is the question. Yes. The plan the hope and plan is to fund it off the P and L. I don't want to be a serial fundraiser. I think most people who have spoken to me know I'm sensitive dilution as any investor. Speaker 200:25:47Now if the stock works dramatically and there is tremendous opportunity in other indications, yes, we But our preference is not to have to raise a lot of equity capital to fund this to do it off the P and L. And we think that's feasible. It really depends on how much share of penetration we get in this indication. But if we get a meaningful penetration into it, I think that the capital should be there to fund a robust development program. Speaker 800:26:21Got you. Thank you. And again, congrats on the great launch here. Speaker 200:26:25Thank you. Operator00:26:28Thank you. Next question is from the line of Yale Jen with Laidlaw and Company. Please go ahead. Speaker 300:26:37Good morning and thanks for taking the question and my congrats on the strong launch as well. Just quick few three questions here. First one is that given the Q1 revenue treatment mostly predominantly from Moffett and let's say of 11 cases. Should we consider Moffitt still be a dominant would contribute as a dominantly going forward for the remaining of the year? And okay, so that's first question. Speaker 200:27:14Yes. I think Moffett, I think it's probably going to be something in the on a run rate basis if they continued as they are to date, something 40 plus a year again, if they continue as they have to date. There will be other centers that although we hope for more may only do one every 4 or 5 weeks. And that's kind of where the average comes from that I've given in terms of guidance. But yes, Moffett is probably going to be one of a handful of players that are doing regularly doing 1 a week, if we fast forward in the year. Speaker 300:27:51Okay, great. That's very helpful. And the second question is that just follow-up the first one as the I just want to know that in terms of European revenue, would that be I mean, this quarter's revenue, would that be something we should sort of base upon as a base moving forward? Or again, just a fracture or just a fluctuation for the Speaker 200:28:21overall Yes. No, I think we'll continue to see some I don't want to say growth at that level because even though it's a small number that type of growth would compound rather quickly. But I think we'll continue to see growth primarily driven by Germany. But I think this level that we're seeing now is more of a realistic level than we had in the past. For reasons, it doesn't really matter to get into, the territories are fairly empty. Speaker 200:28:47And right now, we only have one rep in all of Europe and she's in Germany. Hiring somebody to start in the U. K. Shortly with the mindset reimbursement might be coming there in the next year or change. But yes, I think this is a good baseline to work from Yale. Speaker 300:29:04Okay, great. Maybe the last question here is that one of the important piece of your growth is getting more general oncologists as a referral and approaching them. So any updates in terms of the current status? And what do you anticipate over the next 12 months in terms of this endeavor? Thanks. Speaker 200:29:27Yes. If I kind of tiered the commercial efforts, it would be first, let's get these sites open. And then let's talk to the oncologists at those sites and make sure they're referring their own patients to the for treatment. And that's probably a larger part of the activity of our oncology reps, the reps who are meant to call on oncologists and try to get referrals going. It's probably been focused to a large extent on the sites that were opened or pending opening and they've been trained. Speaker 200:30:06We have been successful in getting referrals. We've gotten patients referred to Moffitt's 1, for example, but we've gotten patients referred to other sites. I think 6 to 12 months from now, getting referrals going will become increasingly critical and probably the primary driver of growth. But it's early days right now because our focus more is on opening the centers and then secondarily, let's get the patients out of those centers treated. Speaker 300:30:35Okay, great. Thanks a lot again. Congrats on the progress. Speaker 200:30:39Thank you. Operator00:30:42Thank you. The next question is from the line of Sean Lee with H. C. Wainwright. Please go ahead. Speaker 300:30:56Hey, good morning, guys. Congrats on a solid quarter and thanks for taking my questions. I just have two quick ones. Firstly, you mentioned 50 sites as your initial goal. I was wondering whether it's how easy is it to increase the rate that you are getting these sites active? Speaker 300:31:16And also what percentage of the U. S. Patient base do you expect these safety sites will be able to cover? Speaker 200:31:26Okay. How many sites did you say? I'm sorry, did you say 50 sites? Speaker 300:31:34I believe you said you previously said that your initial goal was the 50 sites in the U. S. Speaker 200:31:42Yes, I think yes, the number is probably going to be 25 to 35 is our current kind of window that we're thinking about. And of course, claiming full license to change that significantly if we believe it's worthwhile to go beyond that number. The 25 to 35 treating centers, if you look at just the patients being treated there, it's probably half or maybe a bit under half. But most a lot of patients get a single consult or 2 consults at one of those sites and then go and have their local oncologists kind of manage their treatment based on what they learned in the consult. We will need to get a bite at in the full market. Speaker 200:32:27We will need to be able to generate referral patterns. But again, I think that's quite doable, given that with payer data nowadays, you know who has these patients. So we'll be very focused on that. And as I mentioned before, that importance of that growth driver will really come to the fore probably sometime next year. Right now, let's get the sites open and get the patients treated. Speaker 200:32:52They're already being seen by the oncologists at that site. Speaker 300:32:57I see. That's very helpful. Thanks. My second question is on reimbursement. I was wondering, would you be needing to seek additional reimbursement from private payers? Speaker 300:33:06Or is that not a big portion of the overall patient population? Speaker 200:33:12No, it's a significant portion of the patient population. I think probably a little bit over half based on our research. But what happens, you generally don't get medical policy developed for an ultra, ultra orphan product such as this. The payers depending on the size of the payer and as you know it's highly fragmented. Some of them might not see a claim for every 2 years and other one might see 1, 2 a year. Speaker 200:33:37But it's not going to be the volume or the level that it's going to take to need to develop medical policy. And generally, we have not seen any pushback from any commercial payers. And based on my from any commercial payers. And based on my own experience, I don't expect to see that for this ultra orphan indication. It's on label. Speaker 200:33:56There really there's very little options for these patients. The only other option for a subset of these patients and they're not necessarily competitive is to bet the first and we're essentially in the same ballpark as they are in terms of pricing. Speaker 300:34:12Great. Thanks for that. And that's all the questions I have. Operator00:34:21Thank you. Speaker 200:34:26Okay. I guess that's it for the questions. Go ahead. I'll just close-up here. So thanks everybody for your time today. Speaker 200:34:38I look forward to giving another update in August. And until then, enjoy your summer. Take care. Operator00:34:48Thank you. The conference call has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation.Read morePowered by