NYSE:HAFN Hafnia Q1 2024 Earnings Report $4.73 +0.07 (+1.50%) Closing price 05/2/2025 03:59 PM EasternExtended Trading$4.72 -0.01 (-0.11%) As of 05/2/2025 07:46 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings HistoryForecast Hafnia EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.43Consensus EPS $0.43Beat/MissMet ExpectationsOne Year Ago EPSN/AHafnia Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$378.80 millionExpected Revenue$391.75 millionBeat/MissMissed by -$12.95 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/AHafnia Announcement DetailsQuarterQ1 2024Date5/15/2024TimeN/AConference Call DateWednesday, May 15, 2024Conference Call Time8:30AM ETUpcoming EarningsHafnia's Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Wednesday, May 21, 2025, with a conference call scheduled on Thursday, May 15, 2025 at 8:30 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckInterim ReportEarnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Hafnia Q1 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMay 15, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Welcome to Hapnia's First Quarter 2020 4 Financial Results Presentation. We will begin shortly. You will be brought through the presentation by Hafnia's CEO, Michael Skov CFO, Peri Van Ecktelt EVP, Commercial, Jens Christoffersen and EVP, Head of Investor Relations, Thomas Anderson. They will be pleased to address any questions after the presentation. Or use the raise hand function to be unmuted or to ask your question verbally. Operator00:00:34Questions will be answered at the end of the presentation. You will receive further instructions as required. Certain statements in this conference call may constitute forward looking statements based upon management's current expectations and include known and unknown risks, uncertainties and other factors Speaker 100:00:53Many of the company is unable to predict or may include Operator00:00:56Tafner's actual results, performance or plans to differ materially from any future results, performance or plans expressed or implied by such forward looking statements. In addition, nothing in this conference call constitutes an offer to buy or sell or a solicitation of an offer to buy or sell any securities. With that, I'm pleased to turn the call over to Hafnia's CEO, Michael Skov. Speaker 200:01:24Thank you very much. Hello, everyone. My name is Michael Skov, and I'm the CEO of Hafnia. Thank you for joining Hafnia's Q1 2024 Conference Call. With me here today are our CFO, Peri van Ecktild our EVP, Commercial, Jens Christoffersen and EVP, Head of Investor Relations, Thomas Anderson. Speaker 200:01:48We will present Hafnia's performance for the Q1 2024 together. Today's presentation agenda will cover 4 key areas. First, I will provide an overview of Hafnia and key highlights during the quarter. Then we will present the Q1 financial performance. Subsequently, we will provide commercial updates and an outlook on the product tanker market and finally conclude the presentation with an overview of our ESG projects. Speaker 200:02:19Let's move to Slide number 2. Before proceeding, you should all be aware and take note of the mandatory disclaimer. Some statements in this call may be forward looking and carry inherent risks. This call does not constitute an offer to buy or sell securities. Thank you for your attention, and let's start the presentation. Speaker 200:02:49So let's start with an overview of Hafnia and the key highlights in the Q1 of 2024. Moving to Slide number 4. Hafner is one of the world's leading tanker owners and operators. We primarily transport refined oil products and chemicals, as shown in the simplified tanker market overview. As owners and operators of more than 200 modern vessels across 8 commercial pools, we offer a fully integrated shipping platform, encompassing in house technical management and chartering teams spanning Asia, Europe, the Middle East and the U. Speaker 200:03:29S. A. We also have a bunker procurement desk that serviced over 1400 vessels within our pool platform and for external ship owners. At the end of the quarter, we owned and chartered a diversified portfolio of 131 vessels with the owned fleet having an average broker valuation of approximately $5,000,000,000 giving us a net asset value of around $4,300,000,000 Following our dual listing in April, we are now listed on the Oslo Stock Exchange under the ticker code Hafni and Hafen on the New York Stock Exchange. Let's move on to the next slide. Speaker 200:04:22Hafner's value proposition today runs deeper than ever. This has been achieved through our active management approach, including good understanding of market dynamics. Since our merger with BW Tangus in 2019, our growth trajectory has been significant, and we are now one of the world's leading product and chemical tanker companies. Our approach to market assessment is to continually seeking advantages, opportunities as part of our active management strategy. Over the past 5 years, we have executed numerous strategic acquisitions and joint ventures, seamlessly aligning with our overall goals. Speaker 200:05:07Most recently, in 2023, we formed a joint venture with Socattra, securing orders for 4 dual fuel methanol MR newbuilds. We remain focused on pursuing strategic acquisitions and joint ventures that drive sustainable growth and position us for long term success. Apart from that, we are also committed to delivering strong and sustainable shareholder value. We last updated our dividend policy at the end of 2022 to align our dividend payout strategy with our overall financial performance by allowing for an increase in dividend payout ratios should we reach certain leverage ratio targets. Since then, the strong markets in 2023 resulted in very high earnings. Speaker 200:05:58And upon careful consideration, we decided earlier in April to increase the dividend payout ratio further. This update includes increasing the payout ratio from 70% to 80% when the net loan to value is above 20% but equal to or below 30%. Additionally, as the net loan to value equals or below 20%, we will increase the ratio even further to 90% from the previous 80%. This decision highlights our commitment to strong shareholder value while safeguarding financial stability. Additionally, our vessel's continuous upward valuation is contributing to our net leverage ratios downward movement. Speaker 200:06:48To illustrate, within our time chartered in vessels portfolio, we hold 8 purchase options. With this strong asset price environment, the value of these purchase options is now approximately $120,000,000 highlighting our ability to capitalize on this value appreciation. Perry will take you all through the financials in the next section. Thank you. Speaker 300:07:16Thanks, Mikael. In the Q1 of 2024, we've seen another continuation of very strong markets, mainly driven by additional ton miles rising from the ongoing issues around the Red Sea. This has led to spikes in spot rates across all segments, reaching higher average TCE rates than those during the Q4 of last year. As a result, we have achieved a net income of $219,600,000 in Q1. During the quarter, we further optimized our balance sheet by reducing leverage. Speaker 300:07:48Our net LTV ratio has further decreased to 24.2% due to accelerated debt repayment and higher asset prices. Our net LTV has been on a steady downward trajectory, reducing by more than 7% if you compare it to the Q1 of last year. This deleveraging has gone in parallel with increased shareholder distributions in the form of cash dividends. In line with our recently updated dividend policy that Michael has just outlined, I'm pleased to announce that a dividend payout ratio of 80% of net income for the quarter will be distributed. This means we will distribute a total of $175,700,000 for the quarter, which corresponds to NOK0.343 per share or approximately NOK3.7 for the quarter. Speaker 300:08:39This is Hafnier's highest quarterly dividend payout ratio and amount to date, and we'll continue to have further upside potential as we continue to further reduce our leverage in these strong markets. If we move to the next page, for the Q1, we generated a TCA income of $378,800,000 with similar to levels we generated last year. For this quarter, the IFRS 15 load to discharge adjustment has resulted in a negative TCE adjustment of $7,200,000 Including this, we ended the quarter with an adjusted EBITDA of $287,100,000 and as I said, a net profit of $219,600,000 Also, our fee focused business has also benefited from this strong rate environment, generating close to $10,000,000 or 9.8 from our commercial pool and bunkering business. These adjacent business streams have continuously performed well, and I'll explain later in more detail on the pool and bunker economics later in this presentation. Our balance sheet is very strong with a cash balance of $129,000,000 and a total liquidity of over $410,000,000 This includes undrawn facilities of $283,000,000 At the end of Q1, around 82% of our loans were hedged at a weighted average of 1.7% base rate or the sulphur basis. Speaker 300:10:05This hedging strategy has largely protected us against a high interest rate environment, thereby controlling our financing costs. As a forward looking company, we will continue monitoring our key leverage ratios and work on refinancing parts of our balance sheet to further reduce our funding costs and cash flow breakeven levels. This will enable us to deliver strong shareholder returns and to seize upon any opportunities that may arise. Even with the increased payout of dividends, as we've just announced, we continue to reduce our outstanding debt levels by further repayments. Then moving on to the operating summary. Speaker 300:10:44In the Q1, our TCE was based on 10,455 earning days, and we generated an average TCE per day of $36,230 This improved largely from $30,732 per day in the 4th quarter. Opera's costs, which consists of vessel operating costs and technical management expenses, were based on 9,555 Canada days in the quarters, leading to an average of $7,886 per day, higher than Q1 last year, mainly due to timing differences in vessel supplies. Looking into the rest of the year in terms of current coverage levels for 2024. The Product Tanker market is still showing tremendous strength in the Q2 and in the remainder of the year due to factors like shifts in refinery capacity and firm oil demand in developing economies. So as of the 10th May of 2024, 68% of the total earning days in Q2 'twenty four have been covered at an average of $37,896 per day. Speaker 300:11:48For Q2 to Q4, so for the rest of the year of 2024, 32% of the earning days were covered at an average of $33,901 per day. We then move to the next page. We'd also like to reemphasize the strength and the importance of our pool and bunker service business. As an introduction, Hafnaya currently operates a fleet of over 200 vessels across 8 commercial pools, and they range from the largest product tankers to small specialized chemical tankers of under 20,000 TOWAY TON. Our highly specialized and dedicated chartering and commercial departments are responsible for developing, marketing and negotiating all contracts for vessels that the pools operate. Speaker 300:12:31Firstly, Hafner receives pool management commission in the form of a fixed fee and then a percentage of all net pool income. For all our pools, apart from the specialized and chemical pools, we charge a fixed fee of $271.5 per calendar day per vessel, plus 2.25 percent of net TCE earnings made by the vessel per on hire day. For Specialized and Chemical Pools, we charge a bit higher fee of $296.5 per day and a 2.75 percent of net TCE earnings. For our bunker buying business, we received bunker commission only in the form of a fixed fee of $2 to $3 per metric tonne delivered to the vessel where Hafnia Bunkers have acted as a broker. We have over the years increased our pool offerings and have consistently performed well in this business stream. Speaker 300:13:19With this success, we will continue to invest in our commercial platform to increase the service level and build scale in the pools and bunker business by adding external vessels with the right pool partners. Then moving to the next page, benefiting from solid fundamentals and anticipated increased oil demand, we can expect 2024 to be another strong year. We are well prepared for this market through our strategically positioned fleet and high spot market exposure. This page represents a comparative analysis of the 3 scenarios outlining Hafnia's potential earnings for this year. These scenarios include, firstly, the consensus forecast from the equity analysts secondly, an extrapolation of the Q2 covered rates applied to the available earnings in 2024 and a third scenario based on Q2 to Q4 covered rates similarly applied to the available earnings in 2024. Speaker 300:14:21In each of the three scenarios, the indications indicate yet another exceptionally robust year for HafnEau, with net profits in these scenarios in the range of $800,000,000 to $900,000,000 Moving on to the next topic. I'm sure you're aware that we have, in April, completed our dual listing of our common shares on the New York Stock Exchange in addition to the current Oslo Stock Exchange listing. This listing marks a significant milestone in our growth journey, and we believe it will broaden our investor base and enhance our access to the capital markets. Our presence in the U. S. Speaker 300:14:57Market will provide investors direct access to our commercial performance and a proven track record of shareholder returns, while also generating increased value for our current shareholders through additional trading liquidity, now also in dollars. We can already see the trading activity picking up in the U. S, representing about 15% of the total trading volume, bearing in mind that our dual listing earlier was not associated with any capital raise. With that, Jens will now be sharing an industry review and market outlook. Thank you. Speaker 100:15:29Thank you, Barry. Hafnia primarily operates within the cyclical and volatile Product Tanker segment. Charter rates and tanker capacities depend on several factors. And over the next few pages, we will provide current market updates and our expectations. Since the beginning of 2024, the product tanker market has been positively impacted by ongoing safety issues in the Red Sea, which caused shifts in trade routes, so vessels are now sailing South of Africa. Speaker 100:15:59In addition to the usual Northern Hemisphere winter seasonality, draws in the Panama Canal and low diesel inventories in Europe have contributed to a strong first quarter. Consequently, CPP on water, which usually is a proxy for transportation demand, has also surpassed all time highs. The growth in oil and water is driven by longer voyages, not only from the Middle East to the West, but also across the Pacific, where the West Coast Americas are to a greater extent being supplied from the Far East. This represents a positive outlook as periods of high cbp on water and tonne days have historically corresponded with periods of strong earnings. Looking at the volume. Speaker 100:16:47Over the past 5 years, we're witnessing a steady rise in daily CPP and chemical loadings and longer transportation distances compared to previous years. This more than proportionate increase in ton miles can be attributed primarily to Eastern refineries supplying many Atlantic consumers. Dirty petroleum products and crude oil, on the other hand, have seen a slight decline in cargo volumes as they've been struggling due to OPEC production cuts. We can expect these high ton mile levels to continue accommodating the dislocation between refining capacity and end users of refined products. Slide 16. Speaker 100:17:28While the impact of sanctions on Russia's products has been fully felt with market inefficiencies and new trading lanes being calibrated and eventually settled upon, there remains an impact on inventories, which have yet to be addressed. Worldwide product inventories remain below average, especially Europe's distillate inventories, and there'll be a need to replenish them. This potential increase in European imports to replenish inventories will likely be through long haul trades from the Middle East, where refinery capacities focused on middle distillates continue to open. With firm global oil demand anticipated, we expect a further drawdown of inventories to support product tanker demand and tonne mile growth. Slide 17. Speaker 100:18:13Apart from inventory levels and firm oil demand, the evolving refinery landscape is poised to bolster the product tanker market. In 2023, export driven volume gains were largely driven by refinery startups in the Middle East, such as El Sauer in Kuwait and Tucum in Oman, both refineries amongst others coming online in Africa and Asia, are expected to continue ramping up production this year. The Nigerian Dangote refinery has also commenced exports. It's generally understood that this refinery will be an export facility as its product specs go beyond Nigerian regulatory demands. When all these 4 refineries run at full capacity, global exports will increase by 0.7000000 to 1,000,000 barrels per day from these refineries. Speaker 100:19:05On the other hand, continued refinery closures are anticipated in regions such as the U. S. And in Europe, necessitating these regions to replace volumes with imports. This continued dislocation of refineries and oil consuming regions will continue to shift global oil trade flows and add to products on miles. Next slide. Speaker 100:19:31Looking at the product tanker supply, the outlook remains positive. As a start, the global product tanker fleet is getting increasingly old. When we look into individual segments, the number of vessels reaching the above 20 year age bracket will increase significantly in the next few years, and the number of new builds on order are not enough to replace this tonnage. We're seeing a substantial reduction in utilization for vessels above 20 years of age, even during the current strong market. This disparity has also become increasingly large in recent years. Speaker 100:20:05This is mainly due to increased downtime and longer commercial waiting periods between voyages and partly due to Russian trading tonnage ballasting longer for subsequent employment. Even for vessels aged between 15 19 years, we see lower utilization than those aged below 15 years. The market will benefit from increased scrapping and a less efficient and generally older fleet profile. Slide 19. Looking forward, the outlook for product tankers remains very positive. Speaker 100:20:38Global oil demand is now largely driven by macroeconomic factors and market fundamentals rather than policy decisions. Although global oil demand in 2024 began to lose momentum, decreasing by 300,000 barrels in the first quarter compared to 102,000,000 barrels per day in the 4th quarter. There's still an anticipated increase of 1,200,000 barrels per day in 2024. On the supply side, despite an uptake in ordering activities in 2023, the order book remains moderate and most of the orders placed are set to materialize in 2025 onwards. Overall, the fundamentals for the product tanker market remains strong, mainly attributed to firm oil demand, low inventories and the dislocation of refineries. Speaker 100:21:26The supply side further adds to this, as we can expect higher utilization of the existing fleet as older vessels become less efficient or gets phased out. And with that, Michael, over to you for the next couple of slides. Speaker 200:21:44Thank you. We're now on Slide 21. So moving on, I would like to touch upon Hafner's ESG strategy and targets. As we navigate through the evolving maritime landscape, Hafnia remains very committed to minimizing our environmental footprint, promoting diversity and inclusion and upholding high standards of corporate governance. By setting ambitious targets, we strive for outstanding performance in all aspects of our operations. Speaker 200:22:19Moreover, we actually engage and partner with various industry peers, international organizations and other key stakeholders to collaboratively address challenges our sector faces. By aligning our intentions with our actions, we aim to demonstrate that excellent commercial performance and sustainability are not mutually exclusive, but rather mutually reinforcing path. Slide 22. Next, let me share a few highlights of Hafnier's ESG projects. In 2023, we took a first step into the methanol landscape through our joint venture with Socadra of 4 chemical IMO2 MR dual fuel methanol vessels. Speaker 200:23:08This is in line with Hafner's sustainability values and ambitions to transition towards a greener future and the greener maritime sector. Furthermore, we're looking into a joint venture with Big Hill on the development of hydrocarbon fuel plants to produce low CI, blue methanol and sustainable aviation fuel at a later stage. Still subject to FID, this project will develop new sustainable shipping opportunities within the CO2 and methanol and sustainable fuel sector. ESG remains a focal point on our agenda and believe we will further demonstrate great progress over the coming years toward our net zero ambition. Slide 23. Speaker 200:24:02To conclude, I hold a positive outlook on Hafnier's ongoing commitment to fostering a greener maritime sector and leveraging our strategically positioned modern fleet. I also look forward to the new chapter following our dual listing in the U. S. We will continue to build on this strong momentum to produce even greater results. This will allow us to pursue our objectives, invest in a greener future and to also allow for greater shareholder returns. Speaker 200:24:35This comes to the end of our presentation, and I would like to open up the call for questions. Operator00:24:43We will begin our Q and A session now. Via the chat function or use the raise hand function to be unmuted to ask your questions verbally. Thank you everyone for your attention and our apologies for the brief delay at the start of the call. We will begin with the questions via the raise hand function. We will start with Omar. Operator00:25:08Please can you unmute yourself to ask your question? Speaker 400:25:12Yes. Hey, guys. Good afternoon. Thank you for the update. Obviously, things are going very nicely here. Speaker 400:25:21And just wanted to ask, you mentioned the 8 in the money in charters that you have purchase options on with that are worth $120,000,000 Just maybe if you could give us a sense of the terms of those options, when are those exercisable? And what would you do if you've thought of it or not, whether you'd retain the ships if you exercise them or would you sell them outright? Speaker 200:26:04I can take that. Generally, the purchase options can be exercised Speaker 500:26:11quite regularly, some within by quarter by quarter and some within year Speaker 200:26:17by year. And overall, it's fast we see them. It's cheaper to keep them as chartered in vessels than buying them as of now. Speaker 400:26:31Okay. Interesting. And then maybe just in terms of the Red Sea rerouting, you've been highlighting how it's been has had a tightening effect across the product market. Could you maybe give a sense of how has that affected, say, the different segments? Because there's been a lot of discussion where maybe a lot of the focus on the Red Sea has been more on the LR2s. Speaker 400:26:53But can you maybe just give a sense or a bit of an overview of how it's affected the LR1s, which is where obviously you have your big footprint and then also the MRs? Speaker 100:27:04Yes. Hi, it's Jens here. The rerouting has had a higher effect on DLR2s than it's had on DLRs and it's had a higher effect on LR1s than it's had on MRs generally speaking. So it's kind of top down and I think naturally it follows the size of the ship, bigger ships they do longer voyages. I mean, that's the simple answer. Speaker 400:27:35Okay. Simple answer. And maybe just one final one. The LR2s obviously had a very strong 1Q. The rates so far in the second quarter are a bit softer, a bit lower than what we would have thought just given some of the spot indexes. Speaker 400:27:51Are those ships on contract? Or maybe I'm just misreading the indexes. Any sense you can give on LR2 sequential easing in the realized rate? Speaker 100:28:04When we look at our LR2 segment and the numbers we're reporting, we have a fairly high degree of contract coverage in that segment. We have dual fuel LR2s that have recently been delivered, which are long term charter, and we've had some of our existing LR2s on longer term charters that are expiring in the more near term. So our numbers does not reflect a pure 100% presence to the spot market here. Right now, the spot market looks incredibly tight on the LR2s. Speaker 400:28:33Yes. Okay. That's what I figured. Thank you. I'll pass it over. Operator00:28:38Okay. Great. Thank you. Frode, may I ask you to unmute yourself? Speaker 600:28:44Yes. Thank you. Hi, guys. And congrats on the dual lifting in New York. What's the what's the feedback? Speaker 600:28:54What have you learned so far? And what's your expectation of this dual listing? That's the first question. Speaker 200:29:10Yes. Thanks for that question. No, I think at least for the time being, we've experienced quite a good interest from the investors in the U. S. We've seen increased liquidity of our shares. Speaker 200:29:22And one of the backgrounds we're doing it was really to try to capture into both sides of the investor pockets in Oslo, Scandinavia and in New York. And so far, it looks like we are seeing traction. I think there's a positive view on our dividend policy and where shipping is in general. And so far, at least, we've seen very good interest. There's still some time to go on this, we feel. Speaker 200:29:47I mean, obviously, it takes time to build up more liquidity. But for sure, yes, so far it's only been a positive response. Speaker 600:29:56It's good to hear. And thanks for the details on the pool business you provided. That's clearly a valuable business, right? So just one question I had was what's the fair earnings multiple on this type of business in your view? Speaker 300:30:29Hi Frode. Hi, it's Peri here. Thanks. I think that's an interesting question. We see the pool business really is adding to the shipping business as well, because it gives us wider scope commercially, etcetera. Speaker 300:30:43If we look at an EBITDA multiple, it's difficult to find really peers, right? There's been some M and A in the market. I think if we look at overall implied multiples, some of the analysts have taken an approach of that. I think last we've seen was in the range of $100,000,000 in total value. Speaker 600:31:08Okay. That's good. My last question was more on the market. You mentioned Dungot in Nigeria. Interesting to hear you think that could be positive in terms of exports. Speaker 600:31:25Maybe you could elaborate on that. And what's your overall view on this refinery changes? First off, you have the seasonal effect, the big ramp up seasonally. And then there's new capacity coming online. So what's your thoughts there? Speaker 600:31:44Thanks. Speaker 100:31:46Hi, Foten and gents. The Golden Refinery and the ops out of it is incredibly exciting. We've all been waiting to hear what's going to happen. And our experience so far is that most of the cargoes that have been produced at Angola so far have been exported either locally to West Africa, but also longer haul to other destinations. And our expectation is that once the refinery is up and running and has a stable production on specification, It's designed to produce Eurospecs. Speaker 100:32:20So our expectation is that a fair number or a fair bit of their exports will actually be directed towards Europe or other markets where premium customers can be found for this product. There's a disparity between the specification of what the refinery can produce and what the Nigerian market requires. So we're overall positive about the Golden Refinery. Speaker 600:32:50Okay. Thank you. You're welcome. Operator00:32:54Thank you, Firde. Greg Lewis, may I ask you to unmute yourself? Speaker 700:33:01Okay. Hi, good afternoon, everybody, and thanks for taking my question. I get a little nervous there. Sometimes have trouble unmuting. I guess my first question is, Sharief was kind of going through the chartering portfolio and I guess one of the things that we've seemed to notice is that rates have kind of the curve has kind of put the market in a position where there's starting to opportunities to go long duration, I. Speaker 700:33:36E. Time charter coverage and obviously on the LR2 side, that's kind of in the strategy. As we think about the LR1 portfolio over the next few quarters, Should we think that there's going to be opportunities to maybe go a little bit longer on the LR1 side? Speaker 100:33:59Hi, Greg, it's Jens. Great question there. On the LR1 side, we've been sitting on our hands for the past couple of years. Our coverage is virtually more or less 0 right now. So it would be natural for us to start building on some of that as some of these longer term deals are starting to look increasingly attractive. Speaker 100:34:17Looking into the next half year, we think we could be in an incredibly tight spot market and there'll be opportunities where we would looking to capture value further out the curve. Good point. Thank you. Speaker 700:34:29Okay, perfect. And then just another one for me. We hear a lot about ton miles, not as much around congestion and really my question is around the MR market and kind of I realize the Panama Canal isn't really a major choke point for the product sector. Just kind of curious what you're hearing, what you're seeing. Is that still a positive? Speaker 700:34:59I mean, I guess it sounds like congestion at the Panama Canal is starting to reduce. Is that something that is already happening? Has it happened? Any kind of sense for where we are in the process of that? Speaker 100:35:16Yes. And the delays at the Panama Canal has already eased significantly from the position that it was in at the back end of last year and the beginning of this year. So today, we don't see significant delays. The cost of going through the canal in terms of auction fees have come off dramatically from its very highs down to significantly smaller amounts. So in our opinion, the Panama Canal right now is not, let's say, a major choke point in international trade, But we still feel an impact in the market in the sense that there are still a number of customers who have decided to reroute and we see more Pacific trade today than we did half a year ago. Speaker 100:36:06But perhaps that Pacific trade to some extent also was down to increased volume of cargo coming out of China. So perhaps it's a little bit of everything that's in play here. Speaker 700:36:18Super helpful. Thank you. Speaker 100:36:19You're welcome. Operator00:36:22Thank you, Greg. I don't see any more requests in the raise hand function, so I'm just moving now on to the chat and the Q and A function where I also don't see anything. So then I think that will bring us today to the end of today's presentation. So thank you for attending Hafnia's Q1 2024 financial results. You can find more information available on our website after this call. Speaker 600:36:56Goodbye.Read morePowered by Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallHafnia Q1 202400:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2x Earnings DocumentsSlide DeckInterim report Hafnia Earnings HeadlinesHAFNIA LIMITED: Annual Report 2024April 30 at 8:38 AM | gurufocus.comIs Hafnia Limited (HAFN)) the Best Quality Penny Stock to Buy Now?April 19, 2025 | finance.yahoo.comURGENT: Someone's Moving Gold Out of London...People who don’t understand the gold market are about to lose a lot of money. 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It operates through Long Range II, Long Range I, Medium Range (MR), Handy size, and Specialized segments. The company transports clean and dirty, refined oil products, vegetable oil, and easy chemicals to national and international oil companies, and chemical companies, as well as trading and utility companies; and owns and operates 200 vessels. It provides ship owning, ship-management, investment, management, corporate support, and agency office services. In addition, the company provides integrated shipping platform, including technical management, commercial and chartering services, pool management, and large-scale bunker desk services. 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There are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Welcome to Hapnia's First Quarter 2020 4 Financial Results Presentation. We will begin shortly. You will be brought through the presentation by Hafnia's CEO, Michael Skov CFO, Peri Van Ecktelt EVP, Commercial, Jens Christoffersen and EVP, Head of Investor Relations, Thomas Anderson. They will be pleased to address any questions after the presentation. Or use the raise hand function to be unmuted or to ask your question verbally. Operator00:00:34Questions will be answered at the end of the presentation. You will receive further instructions as required. Certain statements in this conference call may constitute forward looking statements based upon management's current expectations and include known and unknown risks, uncertainties and other factors Speaker 100:00:53Many of the company is unable to predict or may include Operator00:00:56Tafner's actual results, performance or plans to differ materially from any future results, performance or plans expressed or implied by such forward looking statements. In addition, nothing in this conference call constitutes an offer to buy or sell or a solicitation of an offer to buy or sell any securities. With that, I'm pleased to turn the call over to Hafnia's CEO, Michael Skov. Speaker 200:01:24Thank you very much. Hello, everyone. My name is Michael Skov, and I'm the CEO of Hafnia. Thank you for joining Hafnia's Q1 2024 Conference Call. With me here today are our CFO, Peri van Ecktild our EVP, Commercial, Jens Christoffersen and EVP, Head of Investor Relations, Thomas Anderson. Speaker 200:01:48We will present Hafnia's performance for the Q1 2024 together. Today's presentation agenda will cover 4 key areas. First, I will provide an overview of Hafnia and key highlights during the quarter. Then we will present the Q1 financial performance. Subsequently, we will provide commercial updates and an outlook on the product tanker market and finally conclude the presentation with an overview of our ESG projects. Speaker 200:02:19Let's move to Slide number 2. Before proceeding, you should all be aware and take note of the mandatory disclaimer. Some statements in this call may be forward looking and carry inherent risks. This call does not constitute an offer to buy or sell securities. Thank you for your attention, and let's start the presentation. Speaker 200:02:49So let's start with an overview of Hafnia and the key highlights in the Q1 of 2024. Moving to Slide number 4. Hafner is one of the world's leading tanker owners and operators. We primarily transport refined oil products and chemicals, as shown in the simplified tanker market overview. As owners and operators of more than 200 modern vessels across 8 commercial pools, we offer a fully integrated shipping platform, encompassing in house technical management and chartering teams spanning Asia, Europe, the Middle East and the U. Speaker 200:03:29S. A. We also have a bunker procurement desk that serviced over 1400 vessels within our pool platform and for external ship owners. At the end of the quarter, we owned and chartered a diversified portfolio of 131 vessels with the owned fleet having an average broker valuation of approximately $5,000,000,000 giving us a net asset value of around $4,300,000,000 Following our dual listing in April, we are now listed on the Oslo Stock Exchange under the ticker code Hafni and Hafen on the New York Stock Exchange. Let's move on to the next slide. Speaker 200:04:22Hafner's value proposition today runs deeper than ever. This has been achieved through our active management approach, including good understanding of market dynamics. Since our merger with BW Tangus in 2019, our growth trajectory has been significant, and we are now one of the world's leading product and chemical tanker companies. Our approach to market assessment is to continually seeking advantages, opportunities as part of our active management strategy. Over the past 5 years, we have executed numerous strategic acquisitions and joint ventures, seamlessly aligning with our overall goals. Speaker 200:05:07Most recently, in 2023, we formed a joint venture with Socattra, securing orders for 4 dual fuel methanol MR newbuilds. We remain focused on pursuing strategic acquisitions and joint ventures that drive sustainable growth and position us for long term success. Apart from that, we are also committed to delivering strong and sustainable shareholder value. We last updated our dividend policy at the end of 2022 to align our dividend payout strategy with our overall financial performance by allowing for an increase in dividend payout ratios should we reach certain leverage ratio targets. Since then, the strong markets in 2023 resulted in very high earnings. Speaker 200:05:58And upon careful consideration, we decided earlier in April to increase the dividend payout ratio further. This update includes increasing the payout ratio from 70% to 80% when the net loan to value is above 20% but equal to or below 30%. Additionally, as the net loan to value equals or below 20%, we will increase the ratio even further to 90% from the previous 80%. This decision highlights our commitment to strong shareholder value while safeguarding financial stability. Additionally, our vessel's continuous upward valuation is contributing to our net leverage ratios downward movement. Speaker 200:06:48To illustrate, within our time chartered in vessels portfolio, we hold 8 purchase options. With this strong asset price environment, the value of these purchase options is now approximately $120,000,000 highlighting our ability to capitalize on this value appreciation. Perry will take you all through the financials in the next section. Thank you. Speaker 300:07:16Thanks, Mikael. In the Q1 of 2024, we've seen another continuation of very strong markets, mainly driven by additional ton miles rising from the ongoing issues around the Red Sea. This has led to spikes in spot rates across all segments, reaching higher average TCE rates than those during the Q4 of last year. As a result, we have achieved a net income of $219,600,000 in Q1. During the quarter, we further optimized our balance sheet by reducing leverage. Speaker 300:07:48Our net LTV ratio has further decreased to 24.2% due to accelerated debt repayment and higher asset prices. Our net LTV has been on a steady downward trajectory, reducing by more than 7% if you compare it to the Q1 of last year. This deleveraging has gone in parallel with increased shareholder distributions in the form of cash dividends. In line with our recently updated dividend policy that Michael has just outlined, I'm pleased to announce that a dividend payout ratio of 80% of net income for the quarter will be distributed. This means we will distribute a total of $175,700,000 for the quarter, which corresponds to NOK0.343 per share or approximately NOK3.7 for the quarter. Speaker 300:08:39This is Hafnier's highest quarterly dividend payout ratio and amount to date, and we'll continue to have further upside potential as we continue to further reduce our leverage in these strong markets. If we move to the next page, for the Q1, we generated a TCA income of $378,800,000 with similar to levels we generated last year. For this quarter, the IFRS 15 load to discharge adjustment has resulted in a negative TCE adjustment of $7,200,000 Including this, we ended the quarter with an adjusted EBITDA of $287,100,000 and as I said, a net profit of $219,600,000 Also, our fee focused business has also benefited from this strong rate environment, generating close to $10,000,000 or 9.8 from our commercial pool and bunkering business. These adjacent business streams have continuously performed well, and I'll explain later in more detail on the pool and bunker economics later in this presentation. Our balance sheet is very strong with a cash balance of $129,000,000 and a total liquidity of over $410,000,000 This includes undrawn facilities of $283,000,000 At the end of Q1, around 82% of our loans were hedged at a weighted average of 1.7% base rate or the sulphur basis. Speaker 300:10:05This hedging strategy has largely protected us against a high interest rate environment, thereby controlling our financing costs. As a forward looking company, we will continue monitoring our key leverage ratios and work on refinancing parts of our balance sheet to further reduce our funding costs and cash flow breakeven levels. This will enable us to deliver strong shareholder returns and to seize upon any opportunities that may arise. Even with the increased payout of dividends, as we've just announced, we continue to reduce our outstanding debt levels by further repayments. Then moving on to the operating summary. Speaker 300:10:44In the Q1, our TCE was based on 10,455 earning days, and we generated an average TCE per day of $36,230 This improved largely from $30,732 per day in the 4th quarter. Opera's costs, which consists of vessel operating costs and technical management expenses, were based on 9,555 Canada days in the quarters, leading to an average of $7,886 per day, higher than Q1 last year, mainly due to timing differences in vessel supplies. Looking into the rest of the year in terms of current coverage levels for 2024. The Product Tanker market is still showing tremendous strength in the Q2 and in the remainder of the year due to factors like shifts in refinery capacity and firm oil demand in developing economies. So as of the 10th May of 2024, 68% of the total earning days in Q2 'twenty four have been covered at an average of $37,896 per day. Speaker 300:11:48For Q2 to Q4, so for the rest of the year of 2024, 32% of the earning days were covered at an average of $33,901 per day. We then move to the next page. We'd also like to reemphasize the strength and the importance of our pool and bunker service business. As an introduction, Hafnaya currently operates a fleet of over 200 vessels across 8 commercial pools, and they range from the largest product tankers to small specialized chemical tankers of under 20,000 TOWAY TON. Our highly specialized and dedicated chartering and commercial departments are responsible for developing, marketing and negotiating all contracts for vessels that the pools operate. Speaker 300:12:31Firstly, Hafner receives pool management commission in the form of a fixed fee and then a percentage of all net pool income. For all our pools, apart from the specialized and chemical pools, we charge a fixed fee of $271.5 per calendar day per vessel, plus 2.25 percent of net TCE earnings made by the vessel per on hire day. For Specialized and Chemical Pools, we charge a bit higher fee of $296.5 per day and a 2.75 percent of net TCE earnings. For our bunker buying business, we received bunker commission only in the form of a fixed fee of $2 to $3 per metric tonne delivered to the vessel where Hafnia Bunkers have acted as a broker. We have over the years increased our pool offerings and have consistently performed well in this business stream. Speaker 300:13:19With this success, we will continue to invest in our commercial platform to increase the service level and build scale in the pools and bunker business by adding external vessels with the right pool partners. Then moving to the next page, benefiting from solid fundamentals and anticipated increased oil demand, we can expect 2024 to be another strong year. We are well prepared for this market through our strategically positioned fleet and high spot market exposure. This page represents a comparative analysis of the 3 scenarios outlining Hafnia's potential earnings for this year. These scenarios include, firstly, the consensus forecast from the equity analysts secondly, an extrapolation of the Q2 covered rates applied to the available earnings in 2024 and a third scenario based on Q2 to Q4 covered rates similarly applied to the available earnings in 2024. Speaker 300:14:21In each of the three scenarios, the indications indicate yet another exceptionally robust year for HafnEau, with net profits in these scenarios in the range of $800,000,000 to $900,000,000 Moving on to the next topic. I'm sure you're aware that we have, in April, completed our dual listing of our common shares on the New York Stock Exchange in addition to the current Oslo Stock Exchange listing. This listing marks a significant milestone in our growth journey, and we believe it will broaden our investor base and enhance our access to the capital markets. Our presence in the U. S. Speaker 300:14:57Market will provide investors direct access to our commercial performance and a proven track record of shareholder returns, while also generating increased value for our current shareholders through additional trading liquidity, now also in dollars. We can already see the trading activity picking up in the U. S, representing about 15% of the total trading volume, bearing in mind that our dual listing earlier was not associated with any capital raise. With that, Jens will now be sharing an industry review and market outlook. Thank you. Speaker 100:15:29Thank you, Barry. Hafnia primarily operates within the cyclical and volatile Product Tanker segment. Charter rates and tanker capacities depend on several factors. And over the next few pages, we will provide current market updates and our expectations. Since the beginning of 2024, the product tanker market has been positively impacted by ongoing safety issues in the Red Sea, which caused shifts in trade routes, so vessels are now sailing South of Africa. Speaker 100:15:59In addition to the usual Northern Hemisphere winter seasonality, draws in the Panama Canal and low diesel inventories in Europe have contributed to a strong first quarter. Consequently, CPP on water, which usually is a proxy for transportation demand, has also surpassed all time highs. The growth in oil and water is driven by longer voyages, not only from the Middle East to the West, but also across the Pacific, where the West Coast Americas are to a greater extent being supplied from the Far East. This represents a positive outlook as periods of high cbp on water and tonne days have historically corresponded with periods of strong earnings. Looking at the volume. Speaker 100:16:47Over the past 5 years, we're witnessing a steady rise in daily CPP and chemical loadings and longer transportation distances compared to previous years. This more than proportionate increase in ton miles can be attributed primarily to Eastern refineries supplying many Atlantic consumers. Dirty petroleum products and crude oil, on the other hand, have seen a slight decline in cargo volumes as they've been struggling due to OPEC production cuts. We can expect these high ton mile levels to continue accommodating the dislocation between refining capacity and end users of refined products. Slide 16. Speaker 100:17:28While the impact of sanctions on Russia's products has been fully felt with market inefficiencies and new trading lanes being calibrated and eventually settled upon, there remains an impact on inventories, which have yet to be addressed. Worldwide product inventories remain below average, especially Europe's distillate inventories, and there'll be a need to replenish them. This potential increase in European imports to replenish inventories will likely be through long haul trades from the Middle East, where refinery capacities focused on middle distillates continue to open. With firm global oil demand anticipated, we expect a further drawdown of inventories to support product tanker demand and tonne mile growth. Slide 17. Speaker 100:18:13Apart from inventory levels and firm oil demand, the evolving refinery landscape is poised to bolster the product tanker market. In 2023, export driven volume gains were largely driven by refinery startups in the Middle East, such as El Sauer in Kuwait and Tucum in Oman, both refineries amongst others coming online in Africa and Asia, are expected to continue ramping up production this year. The Nigerian Dangote refinery has also commenced exports. It's generally understood that this refinery will be an export facility as its product specs go beyond Nigerian regulatory demands. When all these 4 refineries run at full capacity, global exports will increase by 0.7000000 to 1,000,000 barrels per day from these refineries. Speaker 100:19:05On the other hand, continued refinery closures are anticipated in regions such as the U. S. And in Europe, necessitating these regions to replace volumes with imports. This continued dislocation of refineries and oil consuming regions will continue to shift global oil trade flows and add to products on miles. Next slide. Speaker 100:19:31Looking at the product tanker supply, the outlook remains positive. As a start, the global product tanker fleet is getting increasingly old. When we look into individual segments, the number of vessels reaching the above 20 year age bracket will increase significantly in the next few years, and the number of new builds on order are not enough to replace this tonnage. We're seeing a substantial reduction in utilization for vessels above 20 years of age, even during the current strong market. This disparity has also become increasingly large in recent years. Speaker 100:20:05This is mainly due to increased downtime and longer commercial waiting periods between voyages and partly due to Russian trading tonnage ballasting longer for subsequent employment. Even for vessels aged between 15 19 years, we see lower utilization than those aged below 15 years. The market will benefit from increased scrapping and a less efficient and generally older fleet profile. Slide 19. Looking forward, the outlook for product tankers remains very positive. Speaker 100:20:38Global oil demand is now largely driven by macroeconomic factors and market fundamentals rather than policy decisions. Although global oil demand in 2024 began to lose momentum, decreasing by 300,000 barrels in the first quarter compared to 102,000,000 barrels per day in the 4th quarter. There's still an anticipated increase of 1,200,000 barrels per day in 2024. On the supply side, despite an uptake in ordering activities in 2023, the order book remains moderate and most of the orders placed are set to materialize in 2025 onwards. Overall, the fundamentals for the product tanker market remains strong, mainly attributed to firm oil demand, low inventories and the dislocation of refineries. Speaker 100:21:26The supply side further adds to this, as we can expect higher utilization of the existing fleet as older vessels become less efficient or gets phased out. And with that, Michael, over to you for the next couple of slides. Speaker 200:21:44Thank you. We're now on Slide 21. So moving on, I would like to touch upon Hafner's ESG strategy and targets. As we navigate through the evolving maritime landscape, Hafnia remains very committed to minimizing our environmental footprint, promoting diversity and inclusion and upholding high standards of corporate governance. By setting ambitious targets, we strive for outstanding performance in all aspects of our operations. Speaker 200:22:19Moreover, we actually engage and partner with various industry peers, international organizations and other key stakeholders to collaboratively address challenges our sector faces. By aligning our intentions with our actions, we aim to demonstrate that excellent commercial performance and sustainability are not mutually exclusive, but rather mutually reinforcing path. Slide 22. Next, let me share a few highlights of Hafnier's ESG projects. In 2023, we took a first step into the methanol landscape through our joint venture with Socadra of 4 chemical IMO2 MR dual fuel methanol vessels. Speaker 200:23:08This is in line with Hafner's sustainability values and ambitions to transition towards a greener future and the greener maritime sector. Furthermore, we're looking into a joint venture with Big Hill on the development of hydrocarbon fuel plants to produce low CI, blue methanol and sustainable aviation fuel at a later stage. Still subject to FID, this project will develop new sustainable shipping opportunities within the CO2 and methanol and sustainable fuel sector. ESG remains a focal point on our agenda and believe we will further demonstrate great progress over the coming years toward our net zero ambition. Slide 23. Speaker 200:24:02To conclude, I hold a positive outlook on Hafnier's ongoing commitment to fostering a greener maritime sector and leveraging our strategically positioned modern fleet. I also look forward to the new chapter following our dual listing in the U. S. We will continue to build on this strong momentum to produce even greater results. This will allow us to pursue our objectives, invest in a greener future and to also allow for greater shareholder returns. Speaker 200:24:35This comes to the end of our presentation, and I would like to open up the call for questions. Operator00:24:43We will begin our Q and A session now. Via the chat function or use the raise hand function to be unmuted to ask your questions verbally. Thank you everyone for your attention and our apologies for the brief delay at the start of the call. We will begin with the questions via the raise hand function. We will start with Omar. Operator00:25:08Please can you unmute yourself to ask your question? Speaker 400:25:12Yes. Hey, guys. Good afternoon. Thank you for the update. Obviously, things are going very nicely here. Speaker 400:25:21And just wanted to ask, you mentioned the 8 in the money in charters that you have purchase options on with that are worth $120,000,000 Just maybe if you could give us a sense of the terms of those options, when are those exercisable? And what would you do if you've thought of it or not, whether you'd retain the ships if you exercise them or would you sell them outright? Speaker 200:26:04I can take that. Generally, the purchase options can be exercised Speaker 500:26:11quite regularly, some within by quarter by quarter and some within year Speaker 200:26:17by year. And overall, it's fast we see them. It's cheaper to keep them as chartered in vessels than buying them as of now. Speaker 400:26:31Okay. Interesting. And then maybe just in terms of the Red Sea rerouting, you've been highlighting how it's been has had a tightening effect across the product market. Could you maybe give a sense of how has that affected, say, the different segments? Because there's been a lot of discussion where maybe a lot of the focus on the Red Sea has been more on the LR2s. Speaker 400:26:53But can you maybe just give a sense or a bit of an overview of how it's affected the LR1s, which is where obviously you have your big footprint and then also the MRs? Speaker 100:27:04Yes. Hi, it's Jens here. The rerouting has had a higher effect on DLR2s than it's had on DLRs and it's had a higher effect on LR1s than it's had on MRs generally speaking. So it's kind of top down and I think naturally it follows the size of the ship, bigger ships they do longer voyages. I mean, that's the simple answer. Speaker 400:27:35Okay. Simple answer. And maybe just one final one. The LR2s obviously had a very strong 1Q. The rates so far in the second quarter are a bit softer, a bit lower than what we would have thought just given some of the spot indexes. Speaker 400:27:51Are those ships on contract? Or maybe I'm just misreading the indexes. Any sense you can give on LR2 sequential easing in the realized rate? Speaker 100:28:04When we look at our LR2 segment and the numbers we're reporting, we have a fairly high degree of contract coverage in that segment. We have dual fuel LR2s that have recently been delivered, which are long term charter, and we've had some of our existing LR2s on longer term charters that are expiring in the more near term. So our numbers does not reflect a pure 100% presence to the spot market here. Right now, the spot market looks incredibly tight on the LR2s. Speaker 400:28:33Yes. Okay. That's what I figured. Thank you. I'll pass it over. Operator00:28:38Okay. Great. Thank you. Frode, may I ask you to unmute yourself? Speaker 600:28:44Yes. Thank you. Hi, guys. And congrats on the dual lifting in New York. What's the what's the feedback? Speaker 600:28:54What have you learned so far? And what's your expectation of this dual listing? That's the first question. Speaker 200:29:10Yes. Thanks for that question. No, I think at least for the time being, we've experienced quite a good interest from the investors in the U. S. We've seen increased liquidity of our shares. Speaker 200:29:22And one of the backgrounds we're doing it was really to try to capture into both sides of the investor pockets in Oslo, Scandinavia and in New York. And so far, it looks like we are seeing traction. I think there's a positive view on our dividend policy and where shipping is in general. And so far, at least, we've seen very good interest. There's still some time to go on this, we feel. Speaker 200:29:47I mean, obviously, it takes time to build up more liquidity. But for sure, yes, so far it's only been a positive response. Speaker 600:29:56It's good to hear. And thanks for the details on the pool business you provided. That's clearly a valuable business, right? So just one question I had was what's the fair earnings multiple on this type of business in your view? Speaker 300:30:29Hi Frode. Hi, it's Peri here. Thanks. I think that's an interesting question. We see the pool business really is adding to the shipping business as well, because it gives us wider scope commercially, etcetera. Speaker 300:30:43If we look at an EBITDA multiple, it's difficult to find really peers, right? There's been some M and A in the market. I think if we look at overall implied multiples, some of the analysts have taken an approach of that. I think last we've seen was in the range of $100,000,000 in total value. Speaker 600:31:08Okay. That's good. My last question was more on the market. You mentioned Dungot in Nigeria. Interesting to hear you think that could be positive in terms of exports. Speaker 600:31:25Maybe you could elaborate on that. And what's your overall view on this refinery changes? First off, you have the seasonal effect, the big ramp up seasonally. And then there's new capacity coming online. So what's your thoughts there? Speaker 600:31:44Thanks. Speaker 100:31:46Hi, Foten and gents. The Golden Refinery and the ops out of it is incredibly exciting. We've all been waiting to hear what's going to happen. And our experience so far is that most of the cargoes that have been produced at Angola so far have been exported either locally to West Africa, but also longer haul to other destinations. And our expectation is that once the refinery is up and running and has a stable production on specification, It's designed to produce Eurospecs. Speaker 100:32:20So our expectation is that a fair number or a fair bit of their exports will actually be directed towards Europe or other markets where premium customers can be found for this product. There's a disparity between the specification of what the refinery can produce and what the Nigerian market requires. So we're overall positive about the Golden Refinery. Speaker 600:32:50Okay. Thank you. You're welcome. Operator00:32:54Thank you, Firde. Greg Lewis, may I ask you to unmute yourself? Speaker 700:33:01Okay. Hi, good afternoon, everybody, and thanks for taking my question. I get a little nervous there. Sometimes have trouble unmuting. I guess my first question is, Sharief was kind of going through the chartering portfolio and I guess one of the things that we've seemed to notice is that rates have kind of the curve has kind of put the market in a position where there's starting to opportunities to go long duration, I. Speaker 700:33:36E. Time charter coverage and obviously on the LR2 side, that's kind of in the strategy. As we think about the LR1 portfolio over the next few quarters, Should we think that there's going to be opportunities to maybe go a little bit longer on the LR1 side? Speaker 100:33:59Hi, Greg, it's Jens. Great question there. On the LR1 side, we've been sitting on our hands for the past couple of years. Our coverage is virtually more or less 0 right now. So it would be natural for us to start building on some of that as some of these longer term deals are starting to look increasingly attractive. Speaker 100:34:17Looking into the next half year, we think we could be in an incredibly tight spot market and there'll be opportunities where we would looking to capture value further out the curve. Good point. Thank you. Speaker 700:34:29Okay, perfect. And then just another one for me. We hear a lot about ton miles, not as much around congestion and really my question is around the MR market and kind of I realize the Panama Canal isn't really a major choke point for the product sector. Just kind of curious what you're hearing, what you're seeing. Is that still a positive? Speaker 700:34:59I mean, I guess it sounds like congestion at the Panama Canal is starting to reduce. Is that something that is already happening? Has it happened? Any kind of sense for where we are in the process of that? Speaker 100:35:16Yes. And the delays at the Panama Canal has already eased significantly from the position that it was in at the back end of last year and the beginning of this year. So today, we don't see significant delays. The cost of going through the canal in terms of auction fees have come off dramatically from its very highs down to significantly smaller amounts. So in our opinion, the Panama Canal right now is not, let's say, a major choke point in international trade, But we still feel an impact in the market in the sense that there are still a number of customers who have decided to reroute and we see more Pacific trade today than we did half a year ago. Speaker 100:36:06But perhaps that Pacific trade to some extent also was down to increased volume of cargo coming out of China. So perhaps it's a little bit of everything that's in play here. Speaker 700:36:18Super helpful. Thank you. Speaker 100:36:19You're welcome. Operator00:36:22Thank you, Greg. I don't see any more requests in the raise hand function, so I'm just moving now on to the chat and the Q and A function where I also don't see anything. So then I think that will bring us today to the end of today's presentation. So thank you for attending Hafnia's Q1 2024 financial results. You can find more information available on our website after this call. Speaker 600:36:56Goodbye.Read morePowered by