TSE:CHR Chorus Aviation Q1 2024 Earnings Report C$20.11 -0.11 (-0.54%) As of 05/23/2025 04:00 PM Eastern ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast Chorus Aviation EPS ResultsActual EPSC$0.06Consensus EPS C$0.05Beat/MissBeat by +C$0.01One Year Ago EPSN/AChorus Aviation Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$426.18 millionExpected Revenue$416.00 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$10.18 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/AChorus Aviation Announcement DetailsQuarterQ1 2024Date5/6/2024TimeN/AConference Call DateTuesday, May 7, 2024Conference Call Time9:00AM ETConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptInterim ReportEarnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Chorus Aviation Q1 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMay 7, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 11 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Corus First Quarter 2024 Financial Results Conference Call. At this time, all lines are in a listen only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question and answer session. This call is being recorded on Tuesday, May 7, 2024. I would now like to turn the conference over to Tyrone Couty, VP, Treasurer, Investor Relations. Operator00:00:25Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:27Thank you, Joanna. Hello and thank you for joining us today for our Q1 2024 conference call and audio webcast. With me today from Chorus are Colin Kopp, President and Chief Executive Officer and Gary Osborne, Chief Financial Officer. We will begin today's call with a brief summary of the results, followed by questions from the analyst community. As there may be some forward looking discussion during the call, I ask that you refer to the caution regarding forward looking statements and information found in the MD and A. Speaker 100:00:56This pertains specifically to the results and operations of Chorus Aviation Inc. For the 3 months ended March 31, 2024, as well as the outlook section and other sections of our MD and A where such statements appear. In addition, some of the following discussion involves non GAAP financial measures, including references to adjusted net income, adjusted EBT, adjusted EBITDA, leverage ratio and free cash flow. Speaker 200:01:20Please refer to our MD and Speaker 100:01:21A for discussion related to the use of such non GAAP measures. I'll now turn the call over to Colin Koppel. Speaker 200:01:28Good morning, everyone, and thank you, Tyrone. This quarter was marked by solid progress on our plan and key metrics, leading to meaningful improvements on our deleveraging goals and generation of strong cash flows. Before I get into the Q1 highlights, I want to acknowledge that we are not satisfied where our share price is trading today. And we recognize that the transition of the leasing business to an asset light model has been slower than we had planned. This is a top priority for us and we're very focused on improving value for our shareholders. Speaker 200:02:01We're working hard to optimize returns while accelerating and monetizing assets in our Felco Leasing business. I am happy to report that since the last quarter, the leasing business has continued to strengthen. Over the past few months, we've seen improvements in both lease renewal rates on key assets and an increase in asset sale opportunities. We remain very confident in the regional leasing space and in our ability to optimize the value of the over 100 owned or majority owned assets under management by Falco. At the same time, we've been active with our NCIB and have canceled over 5% of our shares since its launch in 2022, including over 900,000 shares this last quarter, and we will continue with our NCIB. Speaker 100:02:51Now turning Speaker 200:02:52back to the Q1 results. Throughout the Q1, we performed well and met most and met our financial targets. As I mentioned earlier, this led to solid outcomes on our debt reduction goals and generation of cash flows from operations and asset sales. Gary will speak to those details in his update. This continued progress of strengthening our balance sheet, reducing our debt servicing costs and generating solid free cash flows will position us for future growth and underscores our absolute determination to drive shareholder value. Speaker 200:03:31Throughout the quarter, all of our businesses rolled up their sleeves to contribute to these results. Jazz generated solid earnings and cash flows under its long term capacity purchase agreement with Air Canada. Throughout the quarter Jazz saw pilot recruitment strengthen with the intake for its pilot classes full several months in advance, Randolph and his team at Jazz have demonstrated exceptional operational performance in Q1 with notable year over year improvements in almost all metrics. Velco executed well on trading activity with Jeremy the team concluding 23 aircraft transactions, including the sale of 3 aircraft and 2 engines in support of our asset light strategy. And they executed on a sale and purchase agreement with Nordic Aviation Capital to acquire a portfolio of 24 Embraer Aircraft on behalf of BUN II. Speaker 200:04:31Voyager continued to execute on the growth plan with Corey and team pursuing several new business development opportunities, making strong progress in key areas of specialty flying, MRO and USM. Additionally, we're very pleased to announce that Voyager purchased a King Air 350 in the Q1 and leased it into the Canadian Department of National Defense. This represents an expansion of Voyageur's existing in service support contract for the Manned Airborne Intelligence Surveillance and Reconnaissance Program, MASER. Given the strong performance of our operating business, today I'm pleased to report that we are increasing our 2024 guidance for consolidated adjusted EBITDA and free cash flow, as well as the majority of guidance for RAL including net proceeds from asset sales. In conclusion, I'd like to reiterate the fundamentals of our business are strong and that we will continue to improve them. Speaker 200:05:35Corus has the right elements and the right blend of capabilities to be an industry leader within the regional aviation space and to deliver great value to our shareholders. The Corus team represents the best talent our industry has to offer and I want to thank each one of them for their focus and contributions throughout the quarter. Finally, I want to express my thanks to our investors for their ongoing support as I reiterate our commitment to value creation and to building a resilient industry leading business. Thank you. I'll now pass it over to Gary to take you through the financials. Speaker 200:06:13Thank you, Colin, and good morning. Our Q1 results are in line with our targets. As Colin mentioned, we are increasing our guidance for the remainder of 2024, primarily reflecting our strengthening asset sales pipeline. As we look at our results for Q1 2024, our adjusted EBITDA came in at $109,100,000 with our Jazz and Voyager businesses combining to deliver adjusted EBITDA of $62,400,000 and Falko delivering $55,000,000 Our free cash flow was $102,100,000 during the quarter, primarily derived from strong operating cash flows and net proceeds of $38,000,000 primarily related to the sale of 2 A220s. Our leverage ratio was 3 0.4 at the end of the quarter, down from 3.6 at December 31, 2023 and down a full term from 4.4 at at the end of December 31, 2022. Speaker 200:07:10This has been accomplished largely through long term debt reduction including approximately $594,000,000 of long term debt repayments in the past 18 months. We also allocated capital to retire about 10,500,000 shares since Q4 2022 for approximately $33,000,000 As mentioned last quarter, we are pleased to continue positive change or we see continuing positive changes in the airline credit environment. During the quarter, we signed an agreement with Azul, which restructured their aircraft lease arrangements to provide for the recovery of all contracted amounts owed. Looking at to the remainder of 2024, we have increased our consolidated guidance as follows. Dollars Increased expected net proceeds from asset sales guidance by $30,000,000 to $60,000,000 to $80,000,000 dollars Segment guidance for both RAS and RAL had been updated to support these changes. Speaker 200:08:20With respect to Fund 3, we continue 2024. Finally, we remain active in our NCIB purchasing 938,000 shares in the quarter. At our current market price, we intend to continue to be active in our NCIB throughout the balance of the year. Paula noted, with continued improvement in our key metrics and an increase in our financial targets, we are demonstrating progress, both in strengthening our balance sheet and putting us on a path to value creation. We are now ready to take your questions. Operator00:08:55Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question and answer First question comes from James MacGregoragel from RBC. Please go ahead. Speaker 300:09:24Hey, thanks for taking my question and congrats on a good quarter. Speaker 200:09:29Thank you. Thanks. Speaker 300:09:31Yes. So I just wanted to get a little bit more color on what's driving the acceleration in asset sales. You mentioned that the market is picking up in terms of rates, aircraft values. Can you just provide a little bit more color there and how you see the market evolving during the remainder of the year? Speaker 200:09:51Yes. I can give you my perspective, James, and Gary may jump in with his as well. But look, what we've seen in the last little while is a lot more interest in trading activity and it's more specifically on the sales side at reasonable values. So we're pretty excited about that. These type of things take a long time and they're never super quick. Speaker 200:10:17So, there's kind of always a bit of a tail to this stuff, but we've certainly seen a good improvement the last several months as we kind of come out of the I guess, come out of the last year there where it was a little bit sluggish. So we're pretty encouraged by all that and we're encouraged by some of the lease rates we're seeing on key assets improving. So, generally seeing an incline or an improvement in all aspects. Yes. And I think Colin hit it. Speaker 200:10:48We see a good pipe moving ahead. We've got a lot of interest in asset sales. We have a trading desk over at Falco that is very active in the market. So we're feeling very confident in that. And back to Colin's point, the lease rates that we've been renewing aircraft at, have been at or slightly better than planned. Speaker 300:11:08I appreciate the color. And I wanted to ask another question on the Brookfield and the Castle Lake acquisition. Have you spoken to Brookfield at all on that? Just trying to get any color on the impact that might have on your relationship with them and any potential impact on Fund 3? Speaker 200:11:30Well, I can talk just very high level to the fact that, look, Brookfield is very close to us. This did not come as a surprise to us and there's absolutely no impact to us in any way. So we're not in any way affected by this. This is a transaction that has really nothing to do on the with us on the aviation side. And Brookfield, as you know, is on our Board, fully supportive. Speaker 200:12:02They talk to us about this. So there's absolutely no issues there at all. It's not really tied in any way to anything for us. Speaker 300:12:14I appreciate the color and I'll turn the line over. Thank you. Operator00:12:21Thank you. Next question comes from Kevin Chiang at CIBC. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:12:27Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions here. Maybe if I just look at it simplistically, I know a lot of moving parts here and as you sell assets and transition to asset light model and you're still getting Fund 3 ready to go here. There's a little bit of noise in earnings. But I guess if I look at it simplistically, if I look at the midpoint of your full year guide and I back out what you did in Q1, it implies a decent sequential decline in the run rate EBITDA from like 109 to 92. Speaker 400:13:06Maybe just if you could just maybe provide some color as to the cadence of EBITDA through the year. Is there do you think you're kind of tracking towards the upper end of that range, just given how you performed in Q1 and there's some conservatism in your guidance? Are there other puts and we should be thinking about just given the asset sales and the impact that has on the P and L? Speaker 200:13:26Yes, Kevin, it's Gary here. I think on the EBITDA, it's going to be fairly straight through the balance of the year. We do have some lease renewals, but there's not a lot of those coming up, but there are a few. As far as the range goes, we have the range there where we're tracking. We're tracking within it, obviously. Speaker 200:13:47But it's going to be a pretty steady year, we would hope. And on the Falco side, the renewals are coming in at or slightly better than planned. So we're comfortable with where we're at on the guidance. But as you renew aircraft, they do come down a bit in the revenue as we talked about in the last call and that's reflective in the ranges we gave you. Speaker 400:14:11Okay. And then just in terms of some of the commentary around increased transactions and it sounds like lease rates are coming a little bit better for the aircraft that you traffic in, which is primarily regional jets. Just wondering, just given some of the issues in the broader narrow body space, whether it's the 737 or some of the engine issues with the 321, is that driving some of the increased activity you're seeing in the regional jet market just is taking longer for airlines to maybe replace their fleet or routes that airlines thought they would high grade maybe to a larger aircraft. They're now looking at maintaining using a regional jet, just given some of the issues in the narrow body space. Just wondering if you're seeing any of that play out given some of the activities on the Q1 here? Speaker 200:15:02Hi, Kevin. Yes, it's Colin. Yes, I think you've probably seen some impact from that. There's no question about that. There's that space is tight and they do have several issues there. Speaker 200:15:13So there's probably some residual impact, but we're also seeing good renewals with existing operators on aircraft as well, which as Gary said, we're seeing good improved lease rates, let's put it that way. So I think it's probably a combination certainly, but there's obviously going to be some impact from the fact that they're tight on narrow body. Sure. Speaker 400:15:39Okay. And maybe just last one for me. It sounds like the pilot situation or cadet situation has gone a little bit better here. I guess how much of this might be due to LINK shutting down and maybe that creating supply or maybe a slowdown on the demand side is maybe helping rebalance the pilot shortage issue? Just any color there would be helpful. Speaker 200:16:04I think in the U. S, the main lines have seen kind of a bit of a surplus. I wouldn't call it a surplus, but certainly some extra pilots sitting there on the mainline side due to the recent changes in the industry. So that's going to take some of the pressure off the regionals across everywhere, right? So we are seeing as a result of several of those things, we're seeing good improvements on the pilot side. Speaker 200:16:32We're getting better higher time candidates. Our classes are all full 3 months in advance. So there is absolutely no issues with us from a hiring perspective. We get lots of throughput and it's just a matter of now of starting to regrow and get things back to a little bit larger size than we were this last year. Speaker 400:16:58Perfect. Thank you for taking my questions this morning. Speaker 200:17:00You bet. Thanks, Kevin. Operator00:17:05Thank you. The next question comes from Hillary Catatando at Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:17:11Hi. Thank you for taking my question. You mentioned some business, new business development opportunity on the Voyager side with MRO. I was wondering if you could just provide a little more color there given the huge demand for MRO engine, I guess maintenance work these days. I was wondering if you have any plans to kind of expand the Voyager side of the business even more, but any additional color would be appreciated. Speaker 200:17:42Sure. Hi, Hillary, it's Colin. The Voyager book of business, I think we've talked about a little bit that they basically have a growth plan that we built into our business plan going forward and they've been hitting that. The last year this year. They're very much on track for hitting some decent growth year over year again. Speaker 200:18:10The areas of growth that they've seen this last little while has really been those core areas we focus them on as they exited as we came out of COVID or the pandemic period and that's really on the USM side and on the maintenance and in service support side. So they've had some growth with Maser. As we said, they've added another aircraft there, which was pretty exciting for us. That was quite meaningful. And they've had a lot of maintenance growth, specialty maintenance type stuff that they've been working on new projects. Speaker 200:18:43So we're pretty encouraged by them and where they're headed. And we will, as we move forward, think about how do we continue to push that growth and can we supercharge it with small investments of any time. So we're excited for them for sure. They're doing well, tracking well and I fully anticipate that they will continue to produce year over year growth for the next several years. Speaker 500:19:12Got it. Thank you. And then just one follow-up, if I also purchased a portfolio of Embraer aircraft from NAC, for the full fund too. Yes, I was just wondering if you can kind of if you're seeing a lot of opportunity for additional portfolio acquisition this year and kind of like the competitive landscape with NAC selling off their aircraft. Are you seeing any new players coming into the regional space? Speaker 500:19:41Or are you seeing more, less orders getting out of the regional space? It's kind of what you're seeing there in terms of competitive landscape. Speaker 200:19:52Hilary, it's Gary here. I think there's certainly opportunities to transact out there. I think the aircraft that Felco picked up for Fund II kind of demonstrate that. So there's certainly activity out there. As far as the aircraft leasing space, I think Nordic has has its plans and I think it's well known where they're focused. Speaker 200:20:12So they haven't really been that active in the market except for selling. And as far as the landscape goes, it's been fairly stable, generally speaking. So we haven't really seen any real dramatic changes or significant changes within it. So it's pretty stable. Speaker 500:20:28Got it. Chris, thank you so much. Speaker 100:20:31Thanks. Operator00:20:34Thank you. The next question comes from Kamer Tandoorxen at National Bank Financial. Please go ahead. Speaker 600:20:41Yes. Thanks. Good morning. Just a question on, I guess, the Fund 3. It sounds like you're still feeling confident about getting something closed by the end of the year here. Speaker 600:20:54Just given what you sort of described earlier as, I guess, a more positive environment as far as lease rate renewals and things like that and more trading activity, has the I guess, the nature of the conversations with potential investors in Fund changed? Is it things getting more serious? Just any update on what you're seeing out there? Speaker 200:21:12Yes. I can give you my views, Cameron. I don't think anything has really significantly changed from the investors that we've been talking to. We're still the same key people that we've been communicating and working with. And it's like anything, we remain pretty confident that we will get funds free there with a bit of time. Speaker 200:21:34Unfortunately, it's been a little bit slower than we had originally planned given kind of the environment we've been in, but we're seeing not only in the leasing side, but in all sides really an improving trend there, which in the long run kind of puts focus on. At some point, we're going to get this done here fairly soon. So it's still in the hopper, still moving ahead, not a lot of changes really with who we're talking to. Speaker 600:22:02Okay. No, that's helpful. And maybe just second question, just trying to understand, I guess, the accounts receivable line item and the potential cash being generated from that. I mean, you've got Azul restructuring. Maybe you can just go into a little bit of detail on how you can or how, I guess, the timing of how that turns into cash for you ultimately? Speaker 600:22:25And then as well as the other, I guess, your cash collections from accounts receivable. Just trying to understand what the potential positive cash impact might be in 2024 and heading into 2025? Speaker 200:22:38No, that's a good question, Cam. We have the receivables have certain timeframes associated with them, obviously. So if you look at Azul, there's been a restructuring there that they've gone through. And what you're seeing is essentially we've got 2 elements. 1 is a longer term note, one is a shorter term piece. Speaker 200:22:55And basically we've got that'll get collected over the next 2 to 3 years conceptually, maybe a bit longer than that, I think, with the timing of one of the instruments. So it'll come in gradually over the course of time. Our other receivables have different dates associated with them, some shorter term, some longer term. So there's certainly some upside as we see it in the cash going forward as we collect those receivables, but the timing is it takes a little bit to mature through the statements. Speaker 600:23:26Okay. All right. That was all for me. Thanks very much. Speaker 100:23:30Thank you. Operator00:23:32Thank you. Next question comes from Tim James at Deep Hallum. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:23:38Thanks very much. Good morning. Just want to turn back to the lease rate environment for a moment in RAL. So in the Q1, the decrease in lease revenue was primarily due to lower market rates on re leased aircraft. So am I correct that that is a reflection of simply older aircraft as obviously they've aged from the original contract term and because they're older now you're securing or contracting at lower lease rates and that's not a function of the market per se? Speaker 200:24:16Yes, Tim, it's Gary here. So two things happened in the quarter. One is you did have we did have some asset sales. So the 2 A220s and another aircraft. So those did reflect in the revenue during the quarter. Speaker 200:24:27But back to your point, as they renew in the second lease, they come down in value, but yet they're still producing. So that's what you'll start to see moving ahead in there. But that when you look at the quarter, those are 2 fairly significant items bringing out the A220s and the Air Austral aircraft. Speaker 700:24:44Okay. And then you commented earlier that lease rates are perking up a little stronger than expected. Does this mean you're actually seeing them increase on a year over year basis or are they just not as weak or appear stronger than expected? And again, I'm thinking now I want to think and sort of an apples to apples. So given aircraft at a given age, I just want to think common comparison Speaker 200:25:10there. Tim, what we're looking at there is when we look at our aircraft lease renewals, the ones that are coming up, they're coming in slightly better than where we planned. So which is good news from that. So we've seen a bit of an uptick in some of the lease rates. It's modest, but it's certainly a little bit better. Speaker 700:25:29And do you feel then pick any given aircraft, is the lease rate that can be secured today higher than the lease rate that can be secured 12 months ago? Speaker 200:25:43I'd say generally, yes. The market has been improving. I think you can look at a lot of the industry publications, Ishka and others, the rates have been coming up in general. We're starting to see that in some of the renewals. And yes, I mean, I think generally speaking, the market is getting better. Speaker 200:26:00I think there was a question earlier about the tightness in the market. There's no question that the manufacturing effects at Airbus or sorry, at Boeing and others on the narrow body side has had an impact in the sense that airlines out there are trying to secure lift. We're trying to secure lift with aircraft that are coming up for lease renewals, including the E-190s and others. So you're seeing some demand there and that's having a bit of an impact on the lease rates. A lot of the demand is being tightened up by the fact that these aircraft that were sitting as we came out of the pandemic are being picked up, right. Speaker 200:26:34So they are getting picked up and bought up. So the surpluses are drying up, especially if you start to look at the Q400 and we're seeing some improvements there for sure. There's no question about that. If you look at like aircraft same timeframe renewals. So it's really as we've come out of this last year or so, we're really seeing things starting to tighten slowly. Speaker 700:26:59Okay. Thank you. And then my last question, just, the there was a significant improvement or step up in the revenue build that was collected in the Q1 versus Q4. Was there a particular driver of that? I think it went up 10 percentage points, if I'm not mistaken, or roughly that from Q4 to Q1. Speaker 700:27:20Is that just sort of the normal recovery and the other factors that we've been talking about? Or was there a particular driver of that improvement? Speaker 200:27:29The particular driver was signing the Azul agreement in February that then flipped over and that's where most of that difference was. Speaker 700:27:39Perfect. Okay. Thank you very much. Speaker 200:27:42Thank you. Operator00:27:45Thank you. Next question comes from Konark Gupta at Scotiabank. Please go ahead. Speaker 800:27:51Thanks and good morning and I am asking my congratulations for the quarter. I can ask you on the Rail segment first. The gain on asset sales, do you expect that line item to continue producing revenue for the remaining three quarters? It was having $3,000,000 in Q1. Speaker 200:28:12Yes, it's Gary here. I'm not predicting that at this stage. Those things do come and go, but right now we're predicting 0 basically breakeven and hopefully we'll see something from it. Speaker 800:28:27It's not in the plan basically, right? Speaker 200:28:29No, no it isn't. And if you look at the disclosure in the section, Konark, we said, when you go back to last year, we didn't put anything in that particular line. So it's upside. Speaker 800:28:41Okay. Makes sense. Thank you. And then the asset management fee line item, it seems a little bit volatile quarter to quarter. So Q1 also was down from last year's Q1 a little bit and then also down slightly from Q4 last year. Speaker 800:28:57What's the like how should we model it before the Fund III comes up? Speaker 200:29:03Yes. I would model it very for the rest of the quarter is very similar to what you see in Q1. What you're seeing there, Konark, is really I think the majority of it relates to Fund 2. It's now moving to capital deployed versus committed capital. It's now at the 5 year mark. Speaker 200:29:18That's when it tips over and that's what you're seeing. It's just a simple function of how the math works. Speaker 800:29:24I see. Okay, perfect. And then Fund 3 will obviously have an impact on this line item as we go forward? Speaker 200:29:29That's right. And once Fund 3 gets solved and we get that across the line, then you'll see the fees come in for that. Speaker 800:29:37Right. Thank you. Okay. And then moving on to the CPA side. So can you remind us why in your outlook for 2025 and 2026, the leasing revenue under CPA is going down in 2026 versus 2025. Speaker 800:29:57However, the number of aircraft and the lease is same as I think 39. Speaker 200:30:04So it's Gary here again. So in 2026, we have a group of 12 aircraft that are extended under the CPA with different lease rates starting in 2026. That's what you're seeing. So there's a tranche of 12 Q400s and that's what you're seeing the step down for. Speaker 800:30:20I see. Okay. And I think you've probably noted before historically that even with these new lease rates or decline in lease rates, these ROIC on these things are still seeing similar or better maybe because you're paying down debt. Speaker 200:30:35Yes. So those aircraft have no debt on them. Speaker 800:30:38Right. Okay. Makes sense. And last one for me before I turn over. On the debt side, I think you have some $400,000,000 plus of debt coming due in the next 12 months or so. Speaker 800:30:49Any sense on how do you plan to repay? Like you have some cash generation that's pretty good here, solid obviously, but is there any refinancing opportunity you see as well? Speaker 200:30:59Yes. I think the biggest piece within there, if you look at it, Cronark is really the Series A debentures that come due at the end of the year. They're current and that's what you're picking up. So we have a $50,000,000 facility with the Bank of Nova Scotia that will enable us to pay $50,000,000 of the $86,000,000 and then the remainder will pay out of cash by the end of the year. So that's the big piece that you're seeing within that current portion. Speaker 200:31:23The rest of it is generally amortizing debt. Speaker 800:31:28Makes sense. Perfect. Thanks so much, Gary. Thank you. Operator00:31:34Next question comes from Betty Yang at Canaccord Genuity. Please go ahead. Speaker 900:31:39This is Betty on the call for Matt Lee. So just in terms of the aircraft that were coming out of the CPA in 2025, what would be the plan for those? Are they expected to be moved into a Falco phone or at least to other customer at the parent call? Just trying to get an understanding of the expectation around them. Thanks. Speaker 200:32:03Yes, it's Gary here. Right now, we're working through the expectations around those. They could be sold, they could be released. We could move them into some other type of activity. Still working through that. Speaker 200:32:15It's about a year and a half out. That's when you start to work on it. But conceptually, we'll do something with the asset. Yes. Speaker 900:32:23Thank you. And other question or habits on the guidance. Just wanted to consider the EBITDA and free cash flow guidance raised in Unison. It sounds like you're looking at selling more aircraft in the air, but also perhaps showing higher EBITDA. Can you walk us through how that works? Speaker 200:32:43So when we sell the aircraft, generally speaking, you would reduce your revenue or your EBITDA moving ahead, but you get the free cash flow after proceeds. So that's what you're seeing reflected. One is, our revenues or the EBITDA is coming in a bit stronger than we expected. And secondly, we're expecting $60,000,000 to $80,000,000 in net proceeds going through the free cash flow line this year versus what we had published earlier. So those are the two factors that are making their way through. Speaker 900:33:10Awesome. Thank you very much. Operator00:33:22Next question comes from David Ocampo at Cormark Securities. Please go ahead. Speaker 1000:33:28Thanks. Just a couple of follow-up questions. The first one is on Kevin's line of questioning about the cadence of profitability for 2024. But I did want to focus a little bit more on the EPS line since there is a bunch of moving parts there. How should we expect that? Speaker 1000:33:44Is it a sequential step down as we move through the years? Or does the debt reduction from lower interest payments offset the decline in EBITDA? Speaker 200:33:55So as you go through the course of the year, I think we're as I said earlier, once you take out the one timers and that were pretty flat. I think that's probably how you should look at it. Generally speaking, David, is pretty flat through the rest of the year. Speaker 1000:34:09I'm sorry, that's flat versus the Q1? Speaker 200:34:11Yes, that's right. Yes, similar range. Speaker 1000:34:15Okay. And when we think about the improvement in lease rates on the renewals that you guys are seeing, are you guys thinking about that as levels consistent with hitting your IRR targets? I think it was mid low teens type return that you guys are targeting. Speaker 200:34:33Yes. I think everything has been as we expected. I mean, the rates have gone up on the leases, so we're seeing some improvements there. If you look at the funds, in particular, those two pieces, Fund 1 was a pre COVID fund, so it's a bit different. It's more of a small return in the IRR side as we've talked about before, but Fund 2 right now is still hitting its return target. Speaker 200:34:55So I'd say generally speaking, everything's lining up for these lease renewals as expected. Speaker 1000:35:02Yes, perfect. And then last one for me. Take a look at Fund 1, there's still around, I think, US375 $1,000,000 of aircraft on the books and the fund's 10 year target date is 2025. So should we expect all these aircraft to be sold by 2025 or is there an ability for the fund to be extended beyond 2025? Speaker 200:35:24So the fund has the option for 2 1 year extension. So that's possible depending on where it's at. We're still charging to wind it up in 2025. The other side too is there are eNotes within the ABS structure or the BUN I structure, which are basically the equity instruments and those are an opportunity to sell too. So there's a couple of different ways you can sell instruments and those are an opportunity to sell too. Speaker 200:35:41So there's a couple of different ways you can sell aircraft and you can also sell the eNotes. That's another way to do it. Speaker 1000:35:48Does extending Fund 1 have any impact on your ability to close Fund 3? Speaker 200:35:56No, no. They're independent. Speaker 1000:35:58Okay. That's all the questions I have. Thank you. Operator00:36:04Thank you. We have no further questions. I will turn the call back over for closing comments. Speaker 100:36:09Thank you, Joanna, and thank you all for taking part in today's call. Have a good day. Operator00:36:16Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes your conference for today. We thank you for participating and we ask that you please disconnect your lines.Read morePowered by Key Takeaways Corus reported Q1 2024 adjusted EBITDA of $109.1 million, generated $102.1 million in free cash flow and reduced its net leverage ratio to 3.0x. The company raised its full-year 2024 guidance for consolidated adjusted EBITDA, free cash flow and net proceeds from asset sales, boosting sale expectations to $60 million–$80 million. Corus is accelerating its shift to an asset-light leasing model, with Falco Leasing achieving stronger lease renewal rates, concluding 23 transactions and expanding its asset-sale pipeline. Management remains focused on shareholder returns, cancelling over 5 % of shares since 2022 and repurchasing more than 900,000 shares in Q1 under its NCIB. Each business unit contributed to growth—Jazz delivered solid CPA earnings and filled pilot classes months in advance, while Voyageur added a King Air 350 to support Canada’s MASER contract and drove MRO and specialty flying opportunities. AI Generated. 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There are 11 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Corus First Quarter 2024 Financial Results Conference Call. At this time, all lines are in a listen only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question and answer session. This call is being recorded on Tuesday, May 7, 2024. I would now like to turn the conference over to Tyrone Couty, VP, Treasurer, Investor Relations. Operator00:00:25Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:27Thank you, Joanna. Hello and thank you for joining us today for our Q1 2024 conference call and audio webcast. With me today from Chorus are Colin Kopp, President and Chief Executive Officer and Gary Osborne, Chief Financial Officer. We will begin today's call with a brief summary of the results, followed by questions from the analyst community. As there may be some forward looking discussion during the call, I ask that you refer to the caution regarding forward looking statements and information found in the MD and A. Speaker 100:00:56This pertains specifically to the results and operations of Chorus Aviation Inc. For the 3 months ended March 31, 2024, as well as the outlook section and other sections of our MD and A where such statements appear. In addition, some of the following discussion involves non GAAP financial measures, including references to adjusted net income, adjusted EBT, adjusted EBITDA, leverage ratio and free cash flow. Speaker 200:01:20Please refer to our MD and Speaker 100:01:21A for discussion related to the use of such non GAAP measures. I'll now turn the call over to Colin Koppel. Speaker 200:01:28Good morning, everyone, and thank you, Tyrone. This quarter was marked by solid progress on our plan and key metrics, leading to meaningful improvements on our deleveraging goals and generation of strong cash flows. Before I get into the Q1 highlights, I want to acknowledge that we are not satisfied where our share price is trading today. And we recognize that the transition of the leasing business to an asset light model has been slower than we had planned. This is a top priority for us and we're very focused on improving value for our shareholders. Speaker 200:02:01We're working hard to optimize returns while accelerating and monetizing assets in our Felco Leasing business. I am happy to report that since the last quarter, the leasing business has continued to strengthen. Over the past few months, we've seen improvements in both lease renewal rates on key assets and an increase in asset sale opportunities. We remain very confident in the regional leasing space and in our ability to optimize the value of the over 100 owned or majority owned assets under management by Falco. At the same time, we've been active with our NCIB and have canceled over 5% of our shares since its launch in 2022, including over 900,000 shares this last quarter, and we will continue with our NCIB. Speaker 100:02:51Now turning Speaker 200:02:52back to the Q1 results. Throughout the Q1, we performed well and met most and met our financial targets. As I mentioned earlier, this led to solid outcomes on our debt reduction goals and generation of cash flows from operations and asset sales. Gary will speak to those details in his update. This continued progress of strengthening our balance sheet, reducing our debt servicing costs and generating solid free cash flows will position us for future growth and underscores our absolute determination to drive shareholder value. Speaker 200:03:31Throughout the quarter, all of our businesses rolled up their sleeves to contribute to these results. Jazz generated solid earnings and cash flows under its long term capacity purchase agreement with Air Canada. Throughout the quarter Jazz saw pilot recruitment strengthen with the intake for its pilot classes full several months in advance, Randolph and his team at Jazz have demonstrated exceptional operational performance in Q1 with notable year over year improvements in almost all metrics. Velco executed well on trading activity with Jeremy the team concluding 23 aircraft transactions, including the sale of 3 aircraft and 2 engines in support of our asset light strategy. And they executed on a sale and purchase agreement with Nordic Aviation Capital to acquire a portfolio of 24 Embraer Aircraft on behalf of BUN II. Speaker 200:04:31Voyager continued to execute on the growth plan with Corey and team pursuing several new business development opportunities, making strong progress in key areas of specialty flying, MRO and USM. Additionally, we're very pleased to announce that Voyager purchased a King Air 350 in the Q1 and leased it into the Canadian Department of National Defense. This represents an expansion of Voyageur's existing in service support contract for the Manned Airborne Intelligence Surveillance and Reconnaissance Program, MASER. Given the strong performance of our operating business, today I'm pleased to report that we are increasing our 2024 guidance for consolidated adjusted EBITDA and free cash flow, as well as the majority of guidance for RAL including net proceeds from asset sales. In conclusion, I'd like to reiterate the fundamentals of our business are strong and that we will continue to improve them. Speaker 200:05:35Corus has the right elements and the right blend of capabilities to be an industry leader within the regional aviation space and to deliver great value to our shareholders. The Corus team represents the best talent our industry has to offer and I want to thank each one of them for their focus and contributions throughout the quarter. Finally, I want to express my thanks to our investors for their ongoing support as I reiterate our commitment to value creation and to building a resilient industry leading business. Thank you. I'll now pass it over to Gary to take you through the financials. Speaker 200:06:13Thank you, Colin, and good morning. Our Q1 results are in line with our targets. As Colin mentioned, we are increasing our guidance for the remainder of 2024, primarily reflecting our strengthening asset sales pipeline. As we look at our results for Q1 2024, our adjusted EBITDA came in at $109,100,000 with our Jazz and Voyager businesses combining to deliver adjusted EBITDA of $62,400,000 and Falko delivering $55,000,000 Our free cash flow was $102,100,000 during the quarter, primarily derived from strong operating cash flows and net proceeds of $38,000,000 primarily related to the sale of 2 A220s. Our leverage ratio was 3 0.4 at the end of the quarter, down from 3.6 at December 31, 2023 and down a full term from 4.4 at at the end of December 31, 2022. Speaker 200:07:10This has been accomplished largely through long term debt reduction including approximately $594,000,000 of long term debt repayments in the past 18 months. We also allocated capital to retire about 10,500,000 shares since Q4 2022 for approximately $33,000,000 As mentioned last quarter, we are pleased to continue positive change or we see continuing positive changes in the airline credit environment. During the quarter, we signed an agreement with Azul, which restructured their aircraft lease arrangements to provide for the recovery of all contracted amounts owed. Looking at to the remainder of 2024, we have increased our consolidated guidance as follows. Dollars Increased expected net proceeds from asset sales guidance by $30,000,000 to $60,000,000 to $80,000,000 dollars Segment guidance for both RAS and RAL had been updated to support these changes. Speaker 200:08:20With respect to Fund 3, we continue 2024. Finally, we remain active in our NCIB purchasing 938,000 shares in the quarter. At our current market price, we intend to continue to be active in our NCIB throughout the balance of the year. Paula noted, with continued improvement in our key metrics and an increase in our financial targets, we are demonstrating progress, both in strengthening our balance sheet and putting us on a path to value creation. We are now ready to take your questions. Operator00:08:55Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question and answer First question comes from James MacGregoragel from RBC. Please go ahead. Speaker 300:09:24Hey, thanks for taking my question and congrats on a good quarter. Speaker 200:09:29Thank you. Thanks. Speaker 300:09:31Yes. So I just wanted to get a little bit more color on what's driving the acceleration in asset sales. You mentioned that the market is picking up in terms of rates, aircraft values. Can you just provide a little bit more color there and how you see the market evolving during the remainder of the year? Speaker 200:09:51Yes. I can give you my perspective, James, and Gary may jump in with his as well. But look, what we've seen in the last little while is a lot more interest in trading activity and it's more specifically on the sales side at reasonable values. So we're pretty excited about that. These type of things take a long time and they're never super quick. Speaker 200:10:17So, there's kind of always a bit of a tail to this stuff, but we've certainly seen a good improvement the last several months as we kind of come out of the I guess, come out of the last year there where it was a little bit sluggish. So we're pretty encouraged by all that and we're encouraged by some of the lease rates we're seeing on key assets improving. So, generally seeing an incline or an improvement in all aspects. Yes. And I think Colin hit it. Speaker 200:10:48We see a good pipe moving ahead. We've got a lot of interest in asset sales. We have a trading desk over at Falco that is very active in the market. So we're feeling very confident in that. And back to Colin's point, the lease rates that we've been renewing aircraft at, have been at or slightly better than planned. Speaker 300:11:08I appreciate the color. And I wanted to ask another question on the Brookfield and the Castle Lake acquisition. Have you spoken to Brookfield at all on that? Just trying to get any color on the impact that might have on your relationship with them and any potential impact on Fund 3? Speaker 200:11:30Well, I can talk just very high level to the fact that, look, Brookfield is very close to us. This did not come as a surprise to us and there's absolutely no impact to us in any way. So we're not in any way affected by this. This is a transaction that has really nothing to do on the with us on the aviation side. And Brookfield, as you know, is on our Board, fully supportive. Speaker 200:12:02They talk to us about this. So there's absolutely no issues there at all. It's not really tied in any way to anything for us. Speaker 300:12:14I appreciate the color and I'll turn the line over. Thank you. Operator00:12:21Thank you. Next question comes from Kevin Chiang at CIBC. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:12:27Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions here. Maybe if I just look at it simplistically, I know a lot of moving parts here and as you sell assets and transition to asset light model and you're still getting Fund 3 ready to go here. There's a little bit of noise in earnings. But I guess if I look at it simplistically, if I look at the midpoint of your full year guide and I back out what you did in Q1, it implies a decent sequential decline in the run rate EBITDA from like 109 to 92. Speaker 400:13:06Maybe just if you could just maybe provide some color as to the cadence of EBITDA through the year. Is there do you think you're kind of tracking towards the upper end of that range, just given how you performed in Q1 and there's some conservatism in your guidance? Are there other puts and we should be thinking about just given the asset sales and the impact that has on the P and L? Speaker 200:13:26Yes, Kevin, it's Gary here. I think on the EBITDA, it's going to be fairly straight through the balance of the year. We do have some lease renewals, but there's not a lot of those coming up, but there are a few. As far as the range goes, we have the range there where we're tracking. We're tracking within it, obviously. Speaker 200:13:47But it's going to be a pretty steady year, we would hope. And on the Falco side, the renewals are coming in at or slightly better than planned. So we're comfortable with where we're at on the guidance. But as you renew aircraft, they do come down a bit in the revenue as we talked about in the last call and that's reflective in the ranges we gave you. Speaker 400:14:11Okay. And then just in terms of some of the commentary around increased transactions and it sounds like lease rates are coming a little bit better for the aircraft that you traffic in, which is primarily regional jets. Just wondering, just given some of the issues in the broader narrow body space, whether it's the 737 or some of the engine issues with the 321, is that driving some of the increased activity you're seeing in the regional jet market just is taking longer for airlines to maybe replace their fleet or routes that airlines thought they would high grade maybe to a larger aircraft. They're now looking at maintaining using a regional jet, just given some of the issues in the narrow body space. Just wondering if you're seeing any of that play out given some of the activities on the Q1 here? Speaker 200:15:02Hi, Kevin. Yes, it's Colin. Yes, I think you've probably seen some impact from that. There's no question about that. There's that space is tight and they do have several issues there. Speaker 200:15:13So there's probably some residual impact, but we're also seeing good renewals with existing operators on aircraft as well, which as Gary said, we're seeing good improved lease rates, let's put it that way. So I think it's probably a combination certainly, but there's obviously going to be some impact from the fact that they're tight on narrow body. Sure. Speaker 400:15:39Okay. And maybe just last one for me. It sounds like the pilot situation or cadet situation has gone a little bit better here. I guess how much of this might be due to LINK shutting down and maybe that creating supply or maybe a slowdown on the demand side is maybe helping rebalance the pilot shortage issue? Just any color there would be helpful. Speaker 200:16:04I think in the U. S, the main lines have seen kind of a bit of a surplus. I wouldn't call it a surplus, but certainly some extra pilots sitting there on the mainline side due to the recent changes in the industry. So that's going to take some of the pressure off the regionals across everywhere, right? So we are seeing as a result of several of those things, we're seeing good improvements on the pilot side. Speaker 200:16:32We're getting better higher time candidates. Our classes are all full 3 months in advance. So there is absolutely no issues with us from a hiring perspective. We get lots of throughput and it's just a matter of now of starting to regrow and get things back to a little bit larger size than we were this last year. Speaker 400:16:58Perfect. Thank you for taking my questions this morning. Speaker 200:17:00You bet. Thanks, Kevin. Operator00:17:05Thank you. The next question comes from Hillary Catatando at Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:17:11Hi. Thank you for taking my question. You mentioned some business, new business development opportunity on the Voyager side with MRO. I was wondering if you could just provide a little more color there given the huge demand for MRO engine, I guess maintenance work these days. I was wondering if you have any plans to kind of expand the Voyager side of the business even more, but any additional color would be appreciated. Speaker 200:17:42Sure. Hi, Hillary, it's Colin. The Voyager book of business, I think we've talked about a little bit that they basically have a growth plan that we built into our business plan going forward and they've been hitting that. The last year this year. They're very much on track for hitting some decent growth year over year again. Speaker 200:18:10The areas of growth that they've seen this last little while has really been those core areas we focus them on as they exited as we came out of COVID or the pandemic period and that's really on the USM side and on the maintenance and in service support side. So they've had some growth with Maser. As we said, they've added another aircraft there, which was pretty exciting for us. That was quite meaningful. And they've had a lot of maintenance growth, specialty maintenance type stuff that they've been working on new projects. Speaker 200:18:43So we're pretty encouraged by them and where they're headed. And we will, as we move forward, think about how do we continue to push that growth and can we supercharge it with small investments of any time. So we're excited for them for sure. They're doing well, tracking well and I fully anticipate that they will continue to produce year over year growth for the next several years. Speaker 500:19:12Got it. Thank you. And then just one follow-up, if I also purchased a portfolio of Embraer aircraft from NAC, for the full fund too. Yes, I was just wondering if you can kind of if you're seeing a lot of opportunity for additional portfolio acquisition this year and kind of like the competitive landscape with NAC selling off their aircraft. Are you seeing any new players coming into the regional space? Speaker 500:19:41Or are you seeing more, less orders getting out of the regional space? It's kind of what you're seeing there in terms of competitive landscape. Speaker 200:19:52Hilary, it's Gary here. I think there's certainly opportunities to transact out there. I think the aircraft that Felco picked up for Fund II kind of demonstrate that. So there's certainly activity out there. As far as the aircraft leasing space, I think Nordic has has its plans and I think it's well known where they're focused. Speaker 200:20:12So they haven't really been that active in the market except for selling. And as far as the landscape goes, it's been fairly stable, generally speaking. So we haven't really seen any real dramatic changes or significant changes within it. So it's pretty stable. Speaker 500:20:28Got it. Chris, thank you so much. Speaker 100:20:31Thanks. Operator00:20:34Thank you. The next question comes from Kamer Tandoorxen at National Bank Financial. Please go ahead. Speaker 600:20:41Yes. Thanks. Good morning. Just a question on, I guess, the Fund 3. It sounds like you're still feeling confident about getting something closed by the end of the year here. Speaker 600:20:54Just given what you sort of described earlier as, I guess, a more positive environment as far as lease rate renewals and things like that and more trading activity, has the I guess, the nature of the conversations with potential investors in Fund changed? Is it things getting more serious? Just any update on what you're seeing out there? Speaker 200:21:12Yes. I can give you my views, Cameron. I don't think anything has really significantly changed from the investors that we've been talking to. We're still the same key people that we've been communicating and working with. And it's like anything, we remain pretty confident that we will get funds free there with a bit of time. Speaker 200:21:34Unfortunately, it's been a little bit slower than we had originally planned given kind of the environment we've been in, but we're seeing not only in the leasing side, but in all sides really an improving trend there, which in the long run kind of puts focus on. At some point, we're going to get this done here fairly soon. So it's still in the hopper, still moving ahead, not a lot of changes really with who we're talking to. Speaker 600:22:02Okay. No, that's helpful. And maybe just second question, just trying to understand, I guess, the accounts receivable line item and the potential cash being generated from that. I mean, you've got Azul restructuring. Maybe you can just go into a little bit of detail on how you can or how, I guess, the timing of how that turns into cash for you ultimately? Speaker 600:22:25And then as well as the other, I guess, your cash collections from accounts receivable. Just trying to understand what the potential positive cash impact might be in 2024 and heading into 2025? Speaker 200:22:38No, that's a good question, Cam. We have the receivables have certain timeframes associated with them, obviously. So if you look at Azul, there's been a restructuring there that they've gone through. And what you're seeing is essentially we've got 2 elements. 1 is a longer term note, one is a shorter term piece. Speaker 200:22:55And basically we've got that'll get collected over the next 2 to 3 years conceptually, maybe a bit longer than that, I think, with the timing of one of the instruments. So it'll come in gradually over the course of time. Our other receivables have different dates associated with them, some shorter term, some longer term. So there's certainly some upside as we see it in the cash going forward as we collect those receivables, but the timing is it takes a little bit to mature through the statements. Speaker 600:23:26Okay. All right. That was all for me. Thanks very much. Speaker 100:23:30Thank you. Operator00:23:32Thank you. Next question comes from Tim James at Deep Hallum. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:23:38Thanks very much. Good morning. Just want to turn back to the lease rate environment for a moment in RAL. So in the Q1, the decrease in lease revenue was primarily due to lower market rates on re leased aircraft. So am I correct that that is a reflection of simply older aircraft as obviously they've aged from the original contract term and because they're older now you're securing or contracting at lower lease rates and that's not a function of the market per se? Speaker 200:24:16Yes, Tim, it's Gary here. So two things happened in the quarter. One is you did have we did have some asset sales. So the 2 A220s and another aircraft. So those did reflect in the revenue during the quarter. Speaker 200:24:27But back to your point, as they renew in the second lease, they come down in value, but yet they're still producing. So that's what you'll start to see moving ahead in there. But that when you look at the quarter, those are 2 fairly significant items bringing out the A220s and the Air Austral aircraft. Speaker 700:24:44Okay. And then you commented earlier that lease rates are perking up a little stronger than expected. Does this mean you're actually seeing them increase on a year over year basis or are they just not as weak or appear stronger than expected? And again, I'm thinking now I want to think and sort of an apples to apples. So given aircraft at a given age, I just want to think common comparison Speaker 200:25:10there. Tim, what we're looking at there is when we look at our aircraft lease renewals, the ones that are coming up, they're coming in slightly better than where we planned. So which is good news from that. So we've seen a bit of an uptick in some of the lease rates. It's modest, but it's certainly a little bit better. Speaker 700:25:29And do you feel then pick any given aircraft, is the lease rate that can be secured today higher than the lease rate that can be secured 12 months ago? Speaker 200:25:43I'd say generally, yes. The market has been improving. I think you can look at a lot of the industry publications, Ishka and others, the rates have been coming up in general. We're starting to see that in some of the renewals. And yes, I mean, I think generally speaking, the market is getting better. Speaker 200:26:00I think there was a question earlier about the tightness in the market. There's no question that the manufacturing effects at Airbus or sorry, at Boeing and others on the narrow body side has had an impact in the sense that airlines out there are trying to secure lift. We're trying to secure lift with aircraft that are coming up for lease renewals, including the E-190s and others. So you're seeing some demand there and that's having a bit of an impact on the lease rates. A lot of the demand is being tightened up by the fact that these aircraft that were sitting as we came out of the pandemic are being picked up, right. Speaker 200:26:34So they are getting picked up and bought up. So the surpluses are drying up, especially if you start to look at the Q400 and we're seeing some improvements there for sure. There's no question about that. If you look at like aircraft same timeframe renewals. So it's really as we've come out of this last year or so, we're really seeing things starting to tighten slowly. Speaker 700:26:59Okay. Thank you. And then my last question, just, the there was a significant improvement or step up in the revenue build that was collected in the Q1 versus Q4. Was there a particular driver of that? I think it went up 10 percentage points, if I'm not mistaken, or roughly that from Q4 to Q1. Speaker 700:27:20Is that just sort of the normal recovery and the other factors that we've been talking about? Or was there a particular driver of that improvement? Speaker 200:27:29The particular driver was signing the Azul agreement in February that then flipped over and that's where most of that difference was. Speaker 700:27:39Perfect. Okay. Thank you very much. Speaker 200:27:42Thank you. Operator00:27:45Thank you. Next question comes from Konark Gupta at Scotiabank. Please go ahead. Speaker 800:27:51Thanks and good morning and I am asking my congratulations for the quarter. I can ask you on the Rail segment first. The gain on asset sales, do you expect that line item to continue producing revenue for the remaining three quarters? It was having $3,000,000 in Q1. Speaker 200:28:12Yes, it's Gary here. I'm not predicting that at this stage. Those things do come and go, but right now we're predicting 0 basically breakeven and hopefully we'll see something from it. Speaker 800:28:27It's not in the plan basically, right? Speaker 200:28:29No, no it isn't. And if you look at the disclosure in the section, Konark, we said, when you go back to last year, we didn't put anything in that particular line. So it's upside. Speaker 800:28:41Okay. Makes sense. Thank you. And then the asset management fee line item, it seems a little bit volatile quarter to quarter. So Q1 also was down from last year's Q1 a little bit and then also down slightly from Q4 last year. Speaker 800:28:57What's the like how should we model it before the Fund III comes up? Speaker 200:29:03Yes. I would model it very for the rest of the quarter is very similar to what you see in Q1. What you're seeing there, Konark, is really I think the majority of it relates to Fund 2. It's now moving to capital deployed versus committed capital. It's now at the 5 year mark. Speaker 200:29:18That's when it tips over and that's what you're seeing. It's just a simple function of how the math works. Speaker 800:29:24I see. Okay, perfect. And then Fund 3 will obviously have an impact on this line item as we go forward? Speaker 200:29:29That's right. And once Fund 3 gets solved and we get that across the line, then you'll see the fees come in for that. Speaker 800:29:37Right. Thank you. Okay. And then moving on to the CPA side. So can you remind us why in your outlook for 2025 and 2026, the leasing revenue under CPA is going down in 2026 versus 2025. Speaker 800:29:57However, the number of aircraft and the lease is same as I think 39. Speaker 200:30:04So it's Gary here again. So in 2026, we have a group of 12 aircraft that are extended under the CPA with different lease rates starting in 2026. That's what you're seeing. So there's a tranche of 12 Q400s and that's what you're seeing the step down for. Speaker 800:30:20I see. Okay. And I think you've probably noted before historically that even with these new lease rates or decline in lease rates, these ROIC on these things are still seeing similar or better maybe because you're paying down debt. Speaker 200:30:35Yes. So those aircraft have no debt on them. Speaker 800:30:38Right. Okay. Makes sense. And last one for me before I turn over. On the debt side, I think you have some $400,000,000 plus of debt coming due in the next 12 months or so. Speaker 800:30:49Any sense on how do you plan to repay? Like you have some cash generation that's pretty good here, solid obviously, but is there any refinancing opportunity you see as well? Speaker 200:30:59Yes. I think the biggest piece within there, if you look at it, Cronark is really the Series A debentures that come due at the end of the year. They're current and that's what you're picking up. So we have a $50,000,000 facility with the Bank of Nova Scotia that will enable us to pay $50,000,000 of the $86,000,000 and then the remainder will pay out of cash by the end of the year. So that's the big piece that you're seeing within that current portion. Speaker 200:31:23The rest of it is generally amortizing debt. Speaker 800:31:28Makes sense. Perfect. Thanks so much, Gary. Thank you. Operator00:31:34Next question comes from Betty Yang at Canaccord Genuity. Please go ahead. Speaker 900:31:39This is Betty on the call for Matt Lee. So just in terms of the aircraft that were coming out of the CPA in 2025, what would be the plan for those? Are they expected to be moved into a Falco phone or at least to other customer at the parent call? Just trying to get an understanding of the expectation around them. Thanks. Speaker 200:32:03Yes, it's Gary here. Right now, we're working through the expectations around those. They could be sold, they could be released. We could move them into some other type of activity. Still working through that. Speaker 200:32:15It's about a year and a half out. That's when you start to work on it. But conceptually, we'll do something with the asset. Yes. Speaker 900:32:23Thank you. And other question or habits on the guidance. Just wanted to consider the EBITDA and free cash flow guidance raised in Unison. It sounds like you're looking at selling more aircraft in the air, but also perhaps showing higher EBITDA. Can you walk us through how that works? Speaker 200:32:43So when we sell the aircraft, generally speaking, you would reduce your revenue or your EBITDA moving ahead, but you get the free cash flow after proceeds. So that's what you're seeing reflected. One is, our revenues or the EBITDA is coming in a bit stronger than we expected. And secondly, we're expecting $60,000,000 to $80,000,000 in net proceeds going through the free cash flow line this year versus what we had published earlier. So those are the two factors that are making their way through. Speaker 900:33:10Awesome. Thank you very much. Operator00:33:22Next question comes from David Ocampo at Cormark Securities. Please go ahead. Speaker 1000:33:28Thanks. Just a couple of follow-up questions. The first one is on Kevin's line of questioning about the cadence of profitability for 2024. But I did want to focus a little bit more on the EPS line since there is a bunch of moving parts there. How should we expect that? Speaker 1000:33:44Is it a sequential step down as we move through the years? Or does the debt reduction from lower interest payments offset the decline in EBITDA? Speaker 200:33:55So as you go through the course of the year, I think we're as I said earlier, once you take out the one timers and that were pretty flat. I think that's probably how you should look at it. Generally speaking, David, is pretty flat through the rest of the year. Speaker 1000:34:09I'm sorry, that's flat versus the Q1? Speaker 200:34:11Yes, that's right. Yes, similar range. Speaker 1000:34:15Okay. And when we think about the improvement in lease rates on the renewals that you guys are seeing, are you guys thinking about that as levels consistent with hitting your IRR targets? I think it was mid low teens type return that you guys are targeting. Speaker 200:34:33Yes. I think everything has been as we expected. I mean, the rates have gone up on the leases, so we're seeing some improvements there. If you look at the funds, in particular, those two pieces, Fund 1 was a pre COVID fund, so it's a bit different. It's more of a small return in the IRR side as we've talked about before, but Fund 2 right now is still hitting its return target. Speaker 200:34:55So I'd say generally speaking, everything's lining up for these lease renewals as expected. Speaker 1000:35:02Yes, perfect. And then last one for me. Take a look at Fund 1, there's still around, I think, US375 $1,000,000 of aircraft on the books and the fund's 10 year target date is 2025. So should we expect all these aircraft to be sold by 2025 or is there an ability for the fund to be extended beyond 2025? Speaker 200:35:24So the fund has the option for 2 1 year extension. So that's possible depending on where it's at. We're still charging to wind it up in 2025. The other side too is there are eNotes within the ABS structure or the BUN I structure, which are basically the equity instruments and those are an opportunity to sell too. So there's a couple of different ways you can sell instruments and those are an opportunity to sell too. Speaker 200:35:41So there's a couple of different ways you can sell aircraft and you can also sell the eNotes. That's another way to do it. Speaker 1000:35:48Does extending Fund 1 have any impact on your ability to close Fund 3? Speaker 200:35:56No, no. They're independent. Speaker 1000:35:58Okay. That's all the questions I have. Thank you. Operator00:36:04Thank you. We have no further questions. I will turn the call back over for closing comments. Speaker 100:36:09Thank you, Joanna, and thank you all for taking part in today's call. Have a good day. Operator00:36:16Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes your conference for today. We thank you for participating and we ask that you please disconnect your lines.Read morePowered by