NYSEAMERICAN:CMT Core Molding Technologies Q1 2024 Earnings Report $15.66 +0.23 (+1.49%) As of 05/15/2025 04:10 PM Eastern Earnings HistoryForecast Core Molding Technologies EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.43Consensus EPS $0.26Beat/MissBeat by +$0.17One Year Ago EPSN/ACore Molding Technologies Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$78.15 millionExpected Revenue$78.69 millionBeat/MissMissed by -$540.00 thousandYoY Revenue GrowthN/ACore Molding Technologies Announcement DetailsQuarterQ1 2024Date5/7/2024TimeN/AConference Call DateTuesday, May 7, 2024Conference Call Time10:00AM ETConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Core Molding Technologies Q1 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMay 7, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 7 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good morning, everyone. Welcome to the Core Molding Technologies First Quarter Fiscal 20 24 Financial Results Conference Call. Today, all participants will be in a listen only mode. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to Sandy Martin, 3 part advisors. Operator00:00:40Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:42Thank you, and good morning, everyone. We appreciate you joining us for Core Molding Technologies' conference call to review Q1 results for 2024. Joining me on the call today are the company's President and CEO, Dave Duvall and EVP and CFO, John Zimmer. This call is being webcast and can be accessed through coremt.comviaanaudiolink on the Investor Relations, Events and Presentations page. Today's conference call, including the Q and A session, will be recorded. Speaker 100:01:14Please be advised that any time sensitive information may no longer be accurate as of the date of any replay or transcript reading. I would also like to remind you that the statements made in today's discussion that are not historical facts, including statements or expectations or future events or future financial performance are forward looking statements and are made pursuant to the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. By their nature, forward looking statements are uncertain and outside of the company's control. Actual results may differ materially from those expressed or implied. Please refer to today's earnings press release for our disclosures on forward looking statements. Speaker 100:01:57These factors and other risks and uncertainties are described in detail in the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Core Molding Technologies assumes no obligation to publicly update or revise any forward looking statements. Management will refer to non GAAP measures, including adjusted EPS, adjusted EBITDA, debt to trailing 12 months EBITDA ratio, free cash flow and return on capital employed. Reconciliations to the nearest GAAP measures can be found at the end of our earnings release. Finally, this release has been submitted to the SEC on Form 8 ks. Speaker 100:02:32Now I would like to turn the call over to the company's President and CEO, Dave Duvall. Speaker 200:02:37Thank you, Sandy, and thank you all for joining us to review our 2024 Q1 results. I want to start today with some positive highlights related to our core molding team in the 1st few months of 2024. This spring, core was presented with BRP's Gold Supplier Award related to its Sea Doo boats and personal watercraft models. BRP or Bombardier Recreational Products is a global leader in power sports vehicles on land, water and snow. I'm proud of our team and we are honored to be one of BRP's key suppliers for the Sea Doo personal watercraft and the Sea Doo switch. Speaker 200:03:14Our team has been awarded prestigious recognition for Core's manufacturing and logistics excellence, high quality products and processes and superior customer service. Being recognized as a gold supplier is a culmination of the complete business transformation that we've been executing and communicating over the past several years. I am proud of what the team has accomplished and the magnitude of this accomplishment can be seen in our tremendous improvements in our basic metrics. For safety, we reduced our incident rate by 44% in the last 2 years and are much better than the industry average. For people, we continually improve our focus on individual and organizational development, which is reflected in our low turnover of salaried team members, now less than 12% annualized. Speaker 200:04:03We've implemented annual leadership development programs, organizational and career development programs, technical certification programs along with many other training and employee engagement initiatives. Employee development is and always will be area for core molding. In quality, we've reduced our customer PPM by an incredible 89.6 percent in the last 4 years and 17% in the last 2 years. In delivery, we improved our on time delivery by 21% in the last 2 years and are now at 99% on time delivery. We have reduced scrap rework costs by over 51%. Speaker 200:04:43We increased our production capacity by over 20% with existing assets and made strategic investments in our plants increase capacity through efficiencies, automation, facility improvements, which increased our total current capacity to between $425,000,000 to $475,000,000 in annual sales. We first significantly improved our customer support and service levels, which then enabled us to make the necessary changes to our pricing to bring prices back in line with market rates, which provides the financial resources necessary to continue to improve our operations and customer service levels. As a company, I believe we're in the best overall business operating condition in company history. Our focus has been on implementing robust business systems throughout the transformation. I am confident that our improvements are sustainable and that we have some of the highest service levels in the industry. Speaker 200:05:41The company has the organizational capability, operational infrastructure and financial stability in place to drive revenue growth through new programs, acquisition opportunities and existing programs as demand levels rebound. We have prepared the organization for growth. The engine is ready. And now we're at the invest for growth phase or better stated, our must win battle is now invest for growth, which I will talk Operator00:06:09about later. Speaker 200:06:11I'm also excited to share that we have published Core's 2nd sustainability report, which shows solid progress from last year. This comprehensive report published on our website offers an overview of our sustainability strategy and provides all core stakeholders with a view of our progress against established goals and commitments. Sustainability is embedded into our values and business and is instrumental in driving organizational change that reduces both enterprise risk and costs. Also important is that our sustainability systems allow Core Molding to be a part of something bigger than ourselves by providing a structure for our organization to support environmental stewardship. Our 2nd annual report details accomplishments in 2023 and progress on our important 30 by 30 targets. Speaker 200:07:01We intend to reduce our company's energy consumption, greenhouse gas emissions and landfill waste by 30% by the end of 2,030. And we think this is a sustainable goal to attain. Turning to a review of our top level financial results, we signaled a few weeks ago during our year end earnings call that 2024 sales expectations were lower than 2023. Today, we reported sales of 78,000,000 down 21.5 percent due to challenging 2023 comparisons and end market headwinds that we will discuss more in a moment. When we look at sales sequentially compared to the Q4 of 2023, sales for the Q1 of 2024 increased by 5.9%. Speaker 200:07:51Gross margin for the 2024 Q1 was 17% compared to 17.8% in the prior year Q1 and up 220 basis points from 14.8% in the Q4 of 2023. Anticipating lower sales, the company reacted quickly and leaned on the operational improvements made over the past several years to offset lost fixed cost leverage. We also generated $8,800,000 in adjusted EBITDA or 11.2 percent of sales and we reported positive free cash flows. In summary, for 2023, we completed the 2nd Must Win Battle initiative and the results are improved operational efficiencies and a solid foundation for continuous improvement in all of our plants. That work allowed us to operate with much more stability, consistency and translating to more stable margins and improved product line profitability. Speaker 200:08:51Our intense focus or must win battle is on sales this year and our business fundamentals remain strong. We continue to work on landing and diversifying into new business and increasing our opportunity pipeline. With that, I'd like to turn it over to John to cover the financials in more detail. Speaker 300:09:10Thank you, Dave, and good morning, everyone. As Dave mentioned earlier, our total net sales for the Q1 were $78,100,000 down 21.5% compared to a year ago and sequentially our net sales improved by 5.9 percent, up from the 4th quarter's sales of 73,800,000 Seasonality and mix shifts produced growth from Q4 and we believe that including sequential performance comparison allows us to explain recent changes in customer demand. As expected, 1st quarter sales reflected tough prior year comparisons, notables mix shifts and rebalancing of customer inventory levels. Q1 medium and heavy duty truck sales shifted from 50% of sales in 2023 to 55% this year and powersports shifted from 22% of sales last year to 25% in the 1st 3 months 2024. In addition, other industries including building products and industrial and utilities continued to produce soft sales. Speaker 300:10:10The Q1 gross margin was $13,300,000 or 17% of sales compared to 17.8% in the year ago quarter. With lower sales versus prior year, fixed cost operating leverage was negatively impacted in the Q1 by approximately 170 basis points. Due to the operational improvements and pricing changes, we were able to offset a significant portion of the lost fixed cost leverage. Before our operational improvements, volume decreases and mix shifts historically created more volatility in gross margin. However, we now have better operational efficiencies and profitability across all our plants, which allows us to offset fixed cost leverage decreases and maintain more stable margins and changing demand levels as was demonstrated in this quarter. Speaker 300:10:56We continue to expect gross margin to be in the 17% to 19% for the full year with the potential for gross margins in a quarter outside of this range. SG and A expenses were 8,600,000 dollars compared to $9,700,000 in the prior year, primarily due to lower bonuses, labor and benefit costs and favorable foreign currency translation. Operating income for the quarter was $4,700,000 or 6.1 percent compared to $8,100,000 or 8.1 percent in the year ago period. Net interest expense was $82,000 in the 1st quarter, down from $356,000 in the prior year quarter. Netted in the $82,000 net interest expense in the Q1 of 2024 is $252,000 of interest income from our accumulated cash balances. Speaker 300:11:45The quarterly interim effective tax rate was 21.5 percent comprising the weighted tax costs from the 3 tax jurisdictions which we are where we operate. Our net income totaled $3,800,000 or diluted EPS of $0.43 compared to $5,900,000 or diluted EPS of $0.66 in the comparable year period. Our first quarter adjusted EBITDA was $8,800,000 or 11.2 percent of sales compared to $12,200,000 or 12.3 percent of sales in the prior year quarter. You can refer to our GAAP to non GAAP reconciliation tables are at the end of our press release. Turning to the company's financial position, we ended the quarter with $26,600,000 of cash and cash equivalents. Speaker 300:12:32The company's cash provided by operating activities was $5,100,000 for the Q1, which compared favorably to the $4,600,000 in the 2023 Q1. For the 1st 3 months, capital expenditures were $1,900,000 and free cash flows were $3,200,000 an improvement from the $2,500,000 in the prior year. We currently expect 20.24 capital expenditures to be approximately $13,000,000 for the year. As of March 31, 2024, total outstanding liquidity was $76,600,000 which includes cash and $50,000,000 available under the revolver and capital credit lines. The company's term debt was $22,700,000 at the end of the quarter and our debt to trailing 12 months EBITDA ratio was less than one time. Speaker 300:13:17Our working capital continues to be well managed and netted to $61,000,000 on March 31, 2024. Our return on capital employed, a pre tax return metric was 14% on a trailing 12 month basis. Our capital allocation strategy remains consistent with prior guidance and includes investments in organic growth, share buybacks, acquisitions and repayment of debt. Now we will provide an update on our 2024 sales outlook. Nothing has materially changed from our comments a few weeks ago, and we expect 2024 annual net sales to be down 10% to 15% compared to 2023. Speaker 300:13:54Our sales outlook includes a cyclical demand slowdown in truck, stabilizing customer inventory as well as consumer demand environment that returns to more normal seasonality. Customer inventories are leveling down in certain end markets like powersports, which may be impacted by Fed rates staying higher for longer. As a reminder, Volvo is transitioning from its existing truck model to a new one that Core is not part of beginning in the second half of twenty twenty four and continue through 2026. We have a good relationship with VOLO and ActiveBids. We believe we are positioned to secure programs outside the current programs. Speaker 300:14:31We will continue working on profitability initiatives, focusing on additional continuous improvements across all product lines. I'll let Dave further discuss our plans and outlook for the year. With that, I'd like to turn it back to Dave. Dave? Speaker 200:14:46Thank you, John. We are highly focused on offsetting certain end market headwinds, truck cyclicality and the end of life programs. As John mentioned, we have seen inventories rebalancing down for powersports and the industrial and utilities markets. Even so, we are seeing a return to pre pandemic levels. We have aggressively ramped up lead generation by partnering with a professional sales agency, added sales resources, ramped up trade show presence, and we are streamlining our quote to cash processes to maximize our organic business growth. Speaker 200:15:22Actually this week, I'll be supporting our sales and marketing team in our display at the NPE show in Orlando. We are also in the process of vetting potential acquisitions that meet our strategic growth criteria for sales channel growth and footprint expansion. Our current sales opportunity pipeline is over $200,000,000 and I'm excited to report that we've been awarded over $25,000,000 in new and replacement business that will launch near the end of 'twenty four through 2025. We know that in our industry, the quote to cash is over a year, so efforts today are most likely going to start delivering results in 2025 and beyond. We are also prepared for the ACT or America's Commercial Truck Research Forecasted truck increase in 20252026, which is driven by the 2027 emission regulations. Speaker 200:16:16Even though our customers are currently in a reduced demand period, our business is well positioned as we serve blue chip customers with sole source products that are foundational to our customers' long term growth plans. We remain focused on continuous improvement to lower overall cap costs and prepare for higher demand levels. Our technical solution sales approach provides our customers unique solutions for the highly specialized needs and we have never been in a better position to benefit from our extensive portfolio of processes and industry serve. Our engineered solutions allow us to work on new environmentally friendly and sustainable products and we are seeing opportunities in 2024 from the infrastructure build that core molding is well suited to provide, including projects driven by the Buy America, Build America or BABA Act. We have built a resilient organization well positioned for growth and our strategy supports the creation of long term shareholder value. Speaker 200:17:17Our must win battle in 2024 is invest for growth and that is what we are driving today. We appreciate and I want to thank our dedicated core molding team. Our team is our competitive advantage. We also appreciate and I want to thank our customers, shareholders and the board for their continued support. With that, I'd like to open the line for questions. Operator00:17:42Operator? Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. And today's first question comes from Chip Moore with ROTH MKM. Please proceed. Speaker 400:18:16Good morning. Hey, Dave, John and everybody. Thanks for taking the question. Speaker 200:18:20Hi, Chuck. Speaker 400:18:21Hey, good to hear your voice. Wanted to ask your comments, Dave, around the engines ready for growth, investing in growth. Maybe just start there, if you can expand on some of the organic and inorganic efforts that you're going after this year? Speaker 200:18:40Yes, we've done a lot to really drive the lead optimization as far as all the leads that we've already had in the system business maybe that we had looked at in the past. So a lot more on the lead generation side as well as on the immediate or short term working with customers on contract molding or transfer molding. When we're looking at customers in the truck, personal watercraft, ATV, UTV, those are more longer term design phase. So we're already partnering with customers in those products. Some of those we've already won. Speaker 200:19:12That would be part of that 25,000,000 dollars and then really driving in the industrial and utilities and packaging areas on being able to either develop the new products for conversions, working with them currently and developing products to where we can transfer the molds. A lot more on the lead generation side and continuing on to industrial and utilities and still growing our ability in those areas. Speaker 400:19:43Understood. That's helpful, Dave. And maybe the opportunity pipeline boosted quite a bit this quarter versus when we talked fairly recently. Maybe just talk about the composition of that pipeline. Is that shifted with some of the changes in the end markets that you're seeing right now? Speaker 400:20:02And then what are you seeing in some of the newer areas, growth opportunities? Speaker 200:20:08Yes, we're still seeing some opportunities in the automotive side as far as underbodies and tailgate type work. So we're looking at that. We're still working on the automotive side. Some of those are a little longer starting in 2025, 2026. Also, some of the newer truck programs that we're looking at and powersports, we do have probably about 30 percent of it in the industrial and utilities area. Speaker 400:20:35Got it. That's helpful. And just one on the just the heavy duty truck market, right, given that it's a sizable piece of your business. Can you expand on the 27 emission drivers when you might see that? Maybe you're seeing some of it already trickle through in terms of pull forward or demand from some of those regulations? Speaker 200:21:02No, that's a really good question and we are starting to see that with our customers and talking with them as well as in the ACT. So last year, 2023, the volume was about 3 40,000 Class 8. This year, it was increased from 285,000 to 304,000. Next year, we're looking at about 320, 330 and then 26 is the peak year of 346. So what we're seeing is that as the emissions come in, the 27 emissions are a costly one. Speaker 200:21:33So what companies are doing, they're going to start pre ordering prior to the 27 cost increase. And when they start filling build slots and you start seeing them come in earlier and earlier into the 2024, 2025 timeframe. And that's what we're getting prepared for now and talk with customers about. Speaker 400:21:52Perfect. That's helpful. And maybe last one, maybe for you, John, on the gross margin side, that 17% to 19% range for the year. Maybe just talk about baseline assumptions there. What gets you towards the higher end? Speaker 400:22:05Is it sort of the volume dependent, I assume? And then just remind us any quarterly dynamics to keep in mind here with seasonality and some of the other one off impacts? Thanks. Speaker 300:22:17Yes. So seasonality is probably not going to hurt us as much this year as some of the mix has changed. We'll probably see better seasonality in Q2 and Q3. Q4 guys has always got holidays in it and everything else and so it's always the most challenging. So my expectation is Q2 and Q3 would be a little bit higher than what we're at today. Speaker 300:22:37One of the big pieces that drive us to the 2017 to 2019 is I think in the at year end we kind of or in March for the year end we talked about how a lot of the utility guys had gone away and it wasn't really ordering anything from us. So getting a little bit more volume back from those guys, we won't be adding any fixed cost leverage at all in order to do that. And so we can see just a little bit of a pickup in the sales side. We really should see the margins head towards that 19 percent. And so that's the real key is we get a little bit of a rebound in the revenues as we go into the second half of the year. Speaker 400:23:18Very helpful. Okay, thanks a lot. Appreciate it. Yes. Operator00:23:26The next question comes from Bill Dezellem with Tieton Capital. Please proceed. Speaker 500:23:32Specific to the building products category, would you talk about the impacts versus the Q1 of 'twenty three and then what drove the increase versus the Q4 of last year? Speaker 300:23:50Yes. So building products for us is primarily a couple of different customers and so it's not a lot of customers. From last year, we know our UFP sales are down. UFP sales through big box retailers. And so as they have program changes with big box retailers, it eventually comes through to us. Speaker 300:24:11And so we do know that they've been ordering less and we expect that's something to do with who they're selling to this year versus last. From an actual quarterization standpoint, Q4 is really a slow period for building products. Q1, Q2 are usually a little bit stronger. As people start to put Lattice and those types of things in the stores for people to start doing building products in March April or building projects in March April May. And so that's normally kind of a seasonality. Speaker 300:24:45But year over year, our business, primarily with UFP is just down. I think it's just a difference in their sales mix that they have to their end customers. Great. Speaker 500:24:55Thank you. And then relative to acquisitions, would you please talk about the pipeline and how you are thinking about acquisitions now? Speaker 200:25:06Yes. So we would look at an acquisition right now, anywhere between about $20,000,000 to 40,000,000 dollars Acquisition really we're looking at footprint, customer and industry diversification or sales channel development. I think focus processes really in the U. S. That we also need when we look at some of the infrastructure in BABA is really structural foam, DLFT or large part injection molding. Speaker 200:25:31I think the big thing for us when we look at footprint we look at sales channels, everything is it has to be a technical or large part, not small parts. So really the big driver is what we're looking at is footprint, sales channel development and industry diversification with specific processes. Yes, one Speaker 300:25:50of the questions we get and we've been doing a lot of work on also in this area is what we've seen for valuations. We've met with probably 25 different bankers that really are in this industry that I know sell resin based products. And Sky, I kind of compare it to the housing industry, even though cost of financing has gone way up, the multiples haven't changed that much. We're hearing about 7% to 8% for kind of a normal deal, not a specialty medical or something like that. And so one of the things that we are going to be very disciplined on is if you're buying it 7 to 8 times enterprise value, How fast can we get synergies from that acquisition, either cost synergies or sales synergies? Speaker 300:26:40And as you guys are aware, again, as Dave made a comment, is we're big part manufacturers. So our strategy is not usually to go in and buy a plant and shut it down and consolidate the plant and have all kinds of savings from that. It's actually to expand our footprint. So we're being diligence from that standpoint. Obviously, interest rates are a lot higher than they were over the last 15 years to finance them. Speaker 300:27:01And so we're definitely looking for opportunities that can get us to that 8% to 10% EBIT and return on capital employed of 16% and drive synergies pretty quick out of the gate. And so being a little selective on that because we haven't seen the valuations come down as much as we probably would have hoped to do with higher financing costs. Speaker 500:27:22And is your sense that there are maybe address the quantity of acquisitions that you see out there more or less, what's your view? Speaker 300:27:36Yes, less in our industry. So like I said, one of the things we talked to a lot of the different bankers in this industry, less in this industry. There's still PE guys playing the game. They still have money to play. And so but from an overall, I think the challenge is there's a lot of sellers that still want that 7, 8, 9, 10 times multiple and there's a lot of buyers that have gotten a little bit more diligent and said that's just too high with the financing rates where they are today. Speaker 300:28:02And so when we did talk to over the last couple of weeks, I mean, we had lunch with one of our bankers, P&C Capital Markets, and they said that they've seen a slowdown in this industry also at this point. So we're seeing a little bit of a slowdown because I think sellers are keeping their prices high and buyers just are being more rational as they go through this. Speaker 500:28:24Great. Thank you, both. Speaker 300:28:26Yes. Operator00:28:38And the next question comes from Tim Moore with E. F. Hutton. Please proceed. Speaker 600:28:44Thanks. It was great to see the gross margin, EBITDA margin come in pretty impressively for the quarter despite the sales declines, so kudos on that cost savings and efficiency front. So maybe I'll just start off because 2 of my questions were already answered. Just kind of curiously, during your last earnings call, you mentioned, I believe it was $425,000,000 to $475,000,000 sales capacity in place. Just trying to wrap my head around some of the earlier comments about the Class 8 truck volume, it could be up to peak in 2026. Speaker 600:29:16When you kind of look out for your sales capacity, maybe let's call it 425 to 475, do you think you could be starting to fill that towards the end of 2026 and get those customer qualifications and terms in place by then? Because it seems like you're destined for rebound next year obviously on sales, but just trying to wrap my head around maybe when you'll start to fill that capacity fully? Speaker 200:29:39Yes. I think with some of the new wins that we have, the $25,000,000 that we talked about and that's probably somewhat conservative, but we're looking at 2025 where we'll start seeing that ramp up. The truck demand will start picking up pretty quick because the installed capacity and the product lines are already there. So we For sure, 'twenty six is going to be a high year for us, For sure, 2026 is going to be a high year for us relative to truck as well as the additional programs that we got from the wins this year and wins Speaker 600:30:19last year. Great. That's helpful. I think we Speaker 400:30:22still have capacity needed. Speaker 600:30:26Good. No, no, it seems like it. It's really getting you've done very efficient additions and yes, I got to imagine you're going to be bumping up against that late 2026 or late 2027. Just one thing I want to kind of clarify, I know you talked about the Volvo program that one maybe that 1 or 2 programs phasing out, you mentioned in February. Are there any kind of additional sales ones one off of customers renewals over the next year? Speaker 600:30:49Is there anything else that could Speaker 200:30:57that we just talked about, about 40% of that is replacement business. So we're constantly we know ahead of time when the programs would be ending and when they'd be coming back. I think the challenge with the Volvo was that decision was actually made 3 years ago. So but we have as John said, I think we have a great relationship with Volvo now and we're working with them. We're actually talking with them about that new program and being able to actually provide those parts as well or at least part of those programs. Speaker 300:31:30Yes. To follow-up, we really don't have any other visibility to any other sales programs falling off. Like Dave said, one of our goals is that we're actually bidding on business 2, 3 years out. We have several of those programs that we've mentioned last year and this year that are wins, which is replacement business 3 years out. And so we really don't have anything like a Volvo out there that we're aware of. Speaker 300:31:53I think our customer relationships are good in all those areas. And I think the original comments that Dave made about where we are operationally, we really do think operationally in this industry, we're pretty strong compared to some of our competitors that have gone through some challenges. And so I think we're really placed right. We've got to go win the business and there's really no other major programs that we know of that have been awarded away at this Operator00:32:23point or anything like that. Yes. Great. Thanks. Speaker 200:32:23A lot of what we worked on was really getting the business model right, being able to get our execution in place as far as our costs as well as what we talk about on the market pricing. So I think preparing the organization and now looking at what we need to do to invest for to drive growth to have the peak of the season come in and not be ready for that. We've seen what that does in the past in 20 eighteen-twenty Speaker 600:32:5319. Great. Well, thanks for the color on the customer outlook and the visibility that you have there. That's really helpful. And congratulations again on just being very good this year at managing gross margin, especially your guidance for the year. Speaker 600:33:06I appreciate that. Thanks. Speaker 400:33:08Thanks, Tim. Operator00:33:13And at this time, we are showing no further questioners in the queue. And this does conclude our question and answer session. I would now like to turn the conference back over to Dave Duvall for any closing remarks. Speaker 200:33:25Thank you for your continued interest in our company. 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Email Address About Core Molding TechnologiesCore Molding Technologies (NYSEAMERICAN:CMT), together with its subsidiaries, operates as a molder of thermoplastic and thermoset structural products. The company offers a range of manufacturing processes that include compression molding of sheet molding compound, resin transfer molding, liquid molding of dicyclopentadiene, spray-up and hand-lay-up, direct long-fiber thermoplastics, and structural foam and structural web injection molding. It serves various markets, including medium and heavy-duty truck, automotive, power sport, construction, building products, industrial, utilities, and other commercial markets in the United States, Mexico, Canada, and internationally. The company was formerly known as Core Materials Corporation and changed its name to Core Molding Technologies, Inc. in August 2002. 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There are 7 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good morning, everyone. Welcome to the Core Molding Technologies First Quarter Fiscal 20 24 Financial Results Conference Call. Today, all participants will be in a listen only mode. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to Sandy Martin, 3 part advisors. Operator00:00:40Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:42Thank you, and good morning, everyone. We appreciate you joining us for Core Molding Technologies' conference call to review Q1 results for 2024. Joining me on the call today are the company's President and CEO, Dave Duvall and EVP and CFO, John Zimmer. This call is being webcast and can be accessed through coremt.comviaanaudiolink on the Investor Relations, Events and Presentations page. Today's conference call, including the Q and A session, will be recorded. Speaker 100:01:14Please be advised that any time sensitive information may no longer be accurate as of the date of any replay or transcript reading. I would also like to remind you that the statements made in today's discussion that are not historical facts, including statements or expectations or future events or future financial performance are forward looking statements and are made pursuant to the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. By their nature, forward looking statements are uncertain and outside of the company's control. Actual results may differ materially from those expressed or implied. Please refer to today's earnings press release for our disclosures on forward looking statements. Speaker 100:01:57These factors and other risks and uncertainties are described in detail in the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Core Molding Technologies assumes no obligation to publicly update or revise any forward looking statements. Management will refer to non GAAP measures, including adjusted EPS, adjusted EBITDA, debt to trailing 12 months EBITDA ratio, free cash flow and return on capital employed. Reconciliations to the nearest GAAP measures can be found at the end of our earnings release. Finally, this release has been submitted to the SEC on Form 8 ks. Speaker 100:02:32Now I would like to turn the call over to the company's President and CEO, Dave Duvall. Speaker 200:02:37Thank you, Sandy, and thank you all for joining us to review our 2024 Q1 results. I want to start today with some positive highlights related to our core molding team in the 1st few months of 2024. This spring, core was presented with BRP's Gold Supplier Award related to its Sea Doo boats and personal watercraft models. BRP or Bombardier Recreational Products is a global leader in power sports vehicles on land, water and snow. I'm proud of our team and we are honored to be one of BRP's key suppliers for the Sea Doo personal watercraft and the Sea Doo switch. Speaker 200:03:14Our team has been awarded prestigious recognition for Core's manufacturing and logistics excellence, high quality products and processes and superior customer service. Being recognized as a gold supplier is a culmination of the complete business transformation that we've been executing and communicating over the past several years. I am proud of what the team has accomplished and the magnitude of this accomplishment can be seen in our tremendous improvements in our basic metrics. For safety, we reduced our incident rate by 44% in the last 2 years and are much better than the industry average. For people, we continually improve our focus on individual and organizational development, which is reflected in our low turnover of salaried team members, now less than 12% annualized. Speaker 200:04:03We've implemented annual leadership development programs, organizational and career development programs, technical certification programs along with many other training and employee engagement initiatives. Employee development is and always will be area for core molding. In quality, we've reduced our customer PPM by an incredible 89.6 percent in the last 4 years and 17% in the last 2 years. In delivery, we improved our on time delivery by 21% in the last 2 years and are now at 99% on time delivery. We have reduced scrap rework costs by over 51%. Speaker 200:04:43We increased our production capacity by over 20% with existing assets and made strategic investments in our plants increase capacity through efficiencies, automation, facility improvements, which increased our total current capacity to between $425,000,000 to $475,000,000 in annual sales. We first significantly improved our customer support and service levels, which then enabled us to make the necessary changes to our pricing to bring prices back in line with market rates, which provides the financial resources necessary to continue to improve our operations and customer service levels. As a company, I believe we're in the best overall business operating condition in company history. Our focus has been on implementing robust business systems throughout the transformation. I am confident that our improvements are sustainable and that we have some of the highest service levels in the industry. Speaker 200:05:41The company has the organizational capability, operational infrastructure and financial stability in place to drive revenue growth through new programs, acquisition opportunities and existing programs as demand levels rebound. We have prepared the organization for growth. The engine is ready. And now we're at the invest for growth phase or better stated, our must win battle is now invest for growth, which I will talk Operator00:06:09about later. Speaker 200:06:11I'm also excited to share that we have published Core's 2nd sustainability report, which shows solid progress from last year. This comprehensive report published on our website offers an overview of our sustainability strategy and provides all core stakeholders with a view of our progress against established goals and commitments. Sustainability is embedded into our values and business and is instrumental in driving organizational change that reduces both enterprise risk and costs. Also important is that our sustainability systems allow Core Molding to be a part of something bigger than ourselves by providing a structure for our organization to support environmental stewardship. Our 2nd annual report details accomplishments in 2023 and progress on our important 30 by 30 targets. Speaker 200:07:01We intend to reduce our company's energy consumption, greenhouse gas emissions and landfill waste by 30% by the end of 2,030. And we think this is a sustainable goal to attain. Turning to a review of our top level financial results, we signaled a few weeks ago during our year end earnings call that 2024 sales expectations were lower than 2023. Today, we reported sales of 78,000,000 down 21.5 percent due to challenging 2023 comparisons and end market headwinds that we will discuss more in a moment. When we look at sales sequentially compared to the Q4 of 2023, sales for the Q1 of 2024 increased by 5.9%. Speaker 200:07:51Gross margin for the 2024 Q1 was 17% compared to 17.8% in the prior year Q1 and up 220 basis points from 14.8% in the Q4 of 2023. Anticipating lower sales, the company reacted quickly and leaned on the operational improvements made over the past several years to offset lost fixed cost leverage. We also generated $8,800,000 in adjusted EBITDA or 11.2 percent of sales and we reported positive free cash flows. In summary, for 2023, we completed the 2nd Must Win Battle initiative and the results are improved operational efficiencies and a solid foundation for continuous improvement in all of our plants. That work allowed us to operate with much more stability, consistency and translating to more stable margins and improved product line profitability. Speaker 200:08:51Our intense focus or must win battle is on sales this year and our business fundamentals remain strong. We continue to work on landing and diversifying into new business and increasing our opportunity pipeline. With that, I'd like to turn it over to John to cover the financials in more detail. Speaker 300:09:10Thank you, Dave, and good morning, everyone. As Dave mentioned earlier, our total net sales for the Q1 were $78,100,000 down 21.5% compared to a year ago and sequentially our net sales improved by 5.9 percent, up from the 4th quarter's sales of 73,800,000 Seasonality and mix shifts produced growth from Q4 and we believe that including sequential performance comparison allows us to explain recent changes in customer demand. As expected, 1st quarter sales reflected tough prior year comparisons, notables mix shifts and rebalancing of customer inventory levels. Q1 medium and heavy duty truck sales shifted from 50% of sales in 2023 to 55% this year and powersports shifted from 22% of sales last year to 25% in the 1st 3 months 2024. In addition, other industries including building products and industrial and utilities continued to produce soft sales. Speaker 300:10:10The Q1 gross margin was $13,300,000 or 17% of sales compared to 17.8% in the year ago quarter. With lower sales versus prior year, fixed cost operating leverage was negatively impacted in the Q1 by approximately 170 basis points. Due to the operational improvements and pricing changes, we were able to offset a significant portion of the lost fixed cost leverage. Before our operational improvements, volume decreases and mix shifts historically created more volatility in gross margin. However, we now have better operational efficiencies and profitability across all our plants, which allows us to offset fixed cost leverage decreases and maintain more stable margins and changing demand levels as was demonstrated in this quarter. Speaker 300:10:56We continue to expect gross margin to be in the 17% to 19% for the full year with the potential for gross margins in a quarter outside of this range. SG and A expenses were 8,600,000 dollars compared to $9,700,000 in the prior year, primarily due to lower bonuses, labor and benefit costs and favorable foreign currency translation. Operating income for the quarter was $4,700,000 or 6.1 percent compared to $8,100,000 or 8.1 percent in the year ago period. Net interest expense was $82,000 in the 1st quarter, down from $356,000 in the prior year quarter. Netted in the $82,000 net interest expense in the Q1 of 2024 is $252,000 of interest income from our accumulated cash balances. Speaker 300:11:45The quarterly interim effective tax rate was 21.5 percent comprising the weighted tax costs from the 3 tax jurisdictions which we are where we operate. Our net income totaled $3,800,000 or diluted EPS of $0.43 compared to $5,900,000 or diluted EPS of $0.66 in the comparable year period. Our first quarter adjusted EBITDA was $8,800,000 or 11.2 percent of sales compared to $12,200,000 or 12.3 percent of sales in the prior year quarter. You can refer to our GAAP to non GAAP reconciliation tables are at the end of our press release. Turning to the company's financial position, we ended the quarter with $26,600,000 of cash and cash equivalents. Speaker 300:12:32The company's cash provided by operating activities was $5,100,000 for the Q1, which compared favorably to the $4,600,000 in the 2023 Q1. For the 1st 3 months, capital expenditures were $1,900,000 and free cash flows were $3,200,000 an improvement from the $2,500,000 in the prior year. We currently expect 20.24 capital expenditures to be approximately $13,000,000 for the year. As of March 31, 2024, total outstanding liquidity was $76,600,000 which includes cash and $50,000,000 available under the revolver and capital credit lines. The company's term debt was $22,700,000 at the end of the quarter and our debt to trailing 12 months EBITDA ratio was less than one time. Speaker 300:13:17Our working capital continues to be well managed and netted to $61,000,000 on March 31, 2024. Our return on capital employed, a pre tax return metric was 14% on a trailing 12 month basis. Our capital allocation strategy remains consistent with prior guidance and includes investments in organic growth, share buybacks, acquisitions and repayment of debt. Now we will provide an update on our 2024 sales outlook. Nothing has materially changed from our comments a few weeks ago, and we expect 2024 annual net sales to be down 10% to 15% compared to 2023. Speaker 300:13:54Our sales outlook includes a cyclical demand slowdown in truck, stabilizing customer inventory as well as consumer demand environment that returns to more normal seasonality. Customer inventories are leveling down in certain end markets like powersports, which may be impacted by Fed rates staying higher for longer. As a reminder, Volvo is transitioning from its existing truck model to a new one that Core is not part of beginning in the second half of twenty twenty four and continue through 2026. We have a good relationship with VOLO and ActiveBids. We believe we are positioned to secure programs outside the current programs. Speaker 300:14:31We will continue working on profitability initiatives, focusing on additional continuous improvements across all product lines. I'll let Dave further discuss our plans and outlook for the year. With that, I'd like to turn it back to Dave. Dave? Speaker 200:14:46Thank you, John. We are highly focused on offsetting certain end market headwinds, truck cyclicality and the end of life programs. As John mentioned, we have seen inventories rebalancing down for powersports and the industrial and utilities markets. Even so, we are seeing a return to pre pandemic levels. We have aggressively ramped up lead generation by partnering with a professional sales agency, added sales resources, ramped up trade show presence, and we are streamlining our quote to cash processes to maximize our organic business growth. Speaker 200:15:22Actually this week, I'll be supporting our sales and marketing team in our display at the NPE show in Orlando. We are also in the process of vetting potential acquisitions that meet our strategic growth criteria for sales channel growth and footprint expansion. Our current sales opportunity pipeline is over $200,000,000 and I'm excited to report that we've been awarded over $25,000,000 in new and replacement business that will launch near the end of 'twenty four through 2025. We know that in our industry, the quote to cash is over a year, so efforts today are most likely going to start delivering results in 2025 and beyond. We are also prepared for the ACT or America's Commercial Truck Research Forecasted truck increase in 20252026, which is driven by the 2027 emission regulations. Speaker 200:16:16Even though our customers are currently in a reduced demand period, our business is well positioned as we serve blue chip customers with sole source products that are foundational to our customers' long term growth plans. We remain focused on continuous improvement to lower overall cap costs and prepare for higher demand levels. Our technical solution sales approach provides our customers unique solutions for the highly specialized needs and we have never been in a better position to benefit from our extensive portfolio of processes and industry serve. Our engineered solutions allow us to work on new environmentally friendly and sustainable products and we are seeing opportunities in 2024 from the infrastructure build that core molding is well suited to provide, including projects driven by the Buy America, Build America or BABA Act. We have built a resilient organization well positioned for growth and our strategy supports the creation of long term shareholder value. Speaker 200:17:17Our must win battle in 2024 is invest for growth and that is what we are driving today. We appreciate and I want to thank our dedicated core molding team. Our team is our competitive advantage. We also appreciate and I want to thank our customers, shareholders and the board for their continued support. With that, I'd like to open the line for questions. Operator00:17:42Operator? Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. And today's first question comes from Chip Moore with ROTH MKM. Please proceed. Speaker 400:18:16Good morning. Hey, Dave, John and everybody. Thanks for taking the question. Speaker 200:18:20Hi, Chuck. Speaker 400:18:21Hey, good to hear your voice. Wanted to ask your comments, Dave, around the engines ready for growth, investing in growth. Maybe just start there, if you can expand on some of the organic and inorganic efforts that you're going after this year? Speaker 200:18:40Yes, we've done a lot to really drive the lead optimization as far as all the leads that we've already had in the system business maybe that we had looked at in the past. So a lot more on the lead generation side as well as on the immediate or short term working with customers on contract molding or transfer molding. When we're looking at customers in the truck, personal watercraft, ATV, UTV, those are more longer term design phase. So we're already partnering with customers in those products. Some of those we've already won. Speaker 200:19:12That would be part of that 25,000,000 dollars and then really driving in the industrial and utilities and packaging areas on being able to either develop the new products for conversions, working with them currently and developing products to where we can transfer the molds. A lot more on the lead generation side and continuing on to industrial and utilities and still growing our ability in those areas. Speaker 400:19:43Understood. That's helpful, Dave. And maybe the opportunity pipeline boosted quite a bit this quarter versus when we talked fairly recently. Maybe just talk about the composition of that pipeline. Is that shifted with some of the changes in the end markets that you're seeing right now? Speaker 400:20:02And then what are you seeing in some of the newer areas, growth opportunities? Speaker 200:20:08Yes, we're still seeing some opportunities in the automotive side as far as underbodies and tailgate type work. So we're looking at that. We're still working on the automotive side. Some of those are a little longer starting in 2025, 2026. Also, some of the newer truck programs that we're looking at and powersports, we do have probably about 30 percent of it in the industrial and utilities area. Speaker 400:20:35Got it. That's helpful. And just one on the just the heavy duty truck market, right, given that it's a sizable piece of your business. Can you expand on the 27 emission drivers when you might see that? Maybe you're seeing some of it already trickle through in terms of pull forward or demand from some of those regulations? Speaker 200:21:02No, that's a really good question and we are starting to see that with our customers and talking with them as well as in the ACT. So last year, 2023, the volume was about 3 40,000 Class 8. This year, it was increased from 285,000 to 304,000. Next year, we're looking at about 320, 330 and then 26 is the peak year of 346. So what we're seeing is that as the emissions come in, the 27 emissions are a costly one. Speaker 200:21:33So what companies are doing, they're going to start pre ordering prior to the 27 cost increase. And when they start filling build slots and you start seeing them come in earlier and earlier into the 2024, 2025 timeframe. And that's what we're getting prepared for now and talk with customers about. Speaker 400:21:52Perfect. That's helpful. And maybe last one, maybe for you, John, on the gross margin side, that 17% to 19% range for the year. Maybe just talk about baseline assumptions there. What gets you towards the higher end? Speaker 400:22:05Is it sort of the volume dependent, I assume? And then just remind us any quarterly dynamics to keep in mind here with seasonality and some of the other one off impacts? Thanks. Speaker 300:22:17Yes. So seasonality is probably not going to hurt us as much this year as some of the mix has changed. We'll probably see better seasonality in Q2 and Q3. Q4 guys has always got holidays in it and everything else and so it's always the most challenging. So my expectation is Q2 and Q3 would be a little bit higher than what we're at today. Speaker 300:22:37One of the big pieces that drive us to the 2017 to 2019 is I think in the at year end we kind of or in March for the year end we talked about how a lot of the utility guys had gone away and it wasn't really ordering anything from us. So getting a little bit more volume back from those guys, we won't be adding any fixed cost leverage at all in order to do that. And so we can see just a little bit of a pickup in the sales side. We really should see the margins head towards that 19 percent. And so that's the real key is we get a little bit of a rebound in the revenues as we go into the second half of the year. Speaker 400:23:18Very helpful. Okay, thanks a lot. Appreciate it. Yes. Operator00:23:26The next question comes from Bill Dezellem with Tieton Capital. Please proceed. Speaker 500:23:32Specific to the building products category, would you talk about the impacts versus the Q1 of 'twenty three and then what drove the increase versus the Q4 of last year? Speaker 300:23:50Yes. So building products for us is primarily a couple of different customers and so it's not a lot of customers. From last year, we know our UFP sales are down. UFP sales through big box retailers. And so as they have program changes with big box retailers, it eventually comes through to us. Speaker 300:24:11And so we do know that they've been ordering less and we expect that's something to do with who they're selling to this year versus last. From an actual quarterization standpoint, Q4 is really a slow period for building products. Q1, Q2 are usually a little bit stronger. As people start to put Lattice and those types of things in the stores for people to start doing building products in March April or building projects in March April May. And so that's normally kind of a seasonality. Speaker 300:24:45But year over year, our business, primarily with UFP is just down. I think it's just a difference in their sales mix that they have to their end customers. Great. Speaker 500:24:55Thank you. And then relative to acquisitions, would you please talk about the pipeline and how you are thinking about acquisitions now? Speaker 200:25:06Yes. So we would look at an acquisition right now, anywhere between about $20,000,000 to 40,000,000 dollars Acquisition really we're looking at footprint, customer and industry diversification or sales channel development. I think focus processes really in the U. S. That we also need when we look at some of the infrastructure in BABA is really structural foam, DLFT or large part injection molding. Speaker 200:25:31I think the big thing for us when we look at footprint we look at sales channels, everything is it has to be a technical or large part, not small parts. So really the big driver is what we're looking at is footprint, sales channel development and industry diversification with specific processes. Yes, one Speaker 300:25:50of the questions we get and we've been doing a lot of work on also in this area is what we've seen for valuations. We've met with probably 25 different bankers that really are in this industry that I know sell resin based products. And Sky, I kind of compare it to the housing industry, even though cost of financing has gone way up, the multiples haven't changed that much. We're hearing about 7% to 8% for kind of a normal deal, not a specialty medical or something like that. And so one of the things that we are going to be very disciplined on is if you're buying it 7 to 8 times enterprise value, How fast can we get synergies from that acquisition, either cost synergies or sales synergies? Speaker 300:26:40And as you guys are aware, again, as Dave made a comment, is we're big part manufacturers. So our strategy is not usually to go in and buy a plant and shut it down and consolidate the plant and have all kinds of savings from that. It's actually to expand our footprint. So we're being diligence from that standpoint. Obviously, interest rates are a lot higher than they were over the last 15 years to finance them. Speaker 300:27:01And so we're definitely looking for opportunities that can get us to that 8% to 10% EBIT and return on capital employed of 16% and drive synergies pretty quick out of the gate. And so being a little selective on that because we haven't seen the valuations come down as much as we probably would have hoped to do with higher financing costs. Speaker 500:27:22And is your sense that there are maybe address the quantity of acquisitions that you see out there more or less, what's your view? Speaker 300:27:36Yes, less in our industry. So like I said, one of the things we talked to a lot of the different bankers in this industry, less in this industry. There's still PE guys playing the game. They still have money to play. And so but from an overall, I think the challenge is there's a lot of sellers that still want that 7, 8, 9, 10 times multiple and there's a lot of buyers that have gotten a little bit more diligent and said that's just too high with the financing rates where they are today. Speaker 300:28:02And so when we did talk to over the last couple of weeks, I mean, we had lunch with one of our bankers, P&C Capital Markets, and they said that they've seen a slowdown in this industry also at this point. So we're seeing a little bit of a slowdown because I think sellers are keeping their prices high and buyers just are being more rational as they go through this. Speaker 500:28:24Great. Thank you, both. Speaker 300:28:26Yes. Operator00:28:38And the next question comes from Tim Moore with E. F. Hutton. Please proceed. Speaker 600:28:44Thanks. It was great to see the gross margin, EBITDA margin come in pretty impressively for the quarter despite the sales declines, so kudos on that cost savings and efficiency front. So maybe I'll just start off because 2 of my questions were already answered. Just kind of curiously, during your last earnings call, you mentioned, I believe it was $425,000,000 to $475,000,000 sales capacity in place. Just trying to wrap my head around some of the earlier comments about the Class 8 truck volume, it could be up to peak in 2026. Speaker 600:29:16When you kind of look out for your sales capacity, maybe let's call it 425 to 475, do you think you could be starting to fill that towards the end of 2026 and get those customer qualifications and terms in place by then? Because it seems like you're destined for rebound next year obviously on sales, but just trying to wrap my head around maybe when you'll start to fill that capacity fully? Speaker 200:29:39Yes. I think with some of the new wins that we have, the $25,000,000 that we talked about and that's probably somewhat conservative, but we're looking at 2025 where we'll start seeing that ramp up. The truck demand will start picking up pretty quick because the installed capacity and the product lines are already there. So we For sure, 'twenty six is going to be a high year for us, For sure, 2026 is going to be a high year for us relative to truck as well as the additional programs that we got from the wins this year and wins Speaker 600:30:19last year. Great. That's helpful. I think we Speaker 400:30:22still have capacity needed. Speaker 600:30:26Good. No, no, it seems like it. It's really getting you've done very efficient additions and yes, I got to imagine you're going to be bumping up against that late 2026 or late 2027. Just one thing I want to kind of clarify, I know you talked about the Volvo program that one maybe that 1 or 2 programs phasing out, you mentioned in February. Are there any kind of additional sales ones one off of customers renewals over the next year? Speaker 600:30:49Is there anything else that could Speaker 200:30:57that we just talked about, about 40% of that is replacement business. So we're constantly we know ahead of time when the programs would be ending and when they'd be coming back. I think the challenge with the Volvo was that decision was actually made 3 years ago. So but we have as John said, I think we have a great relationship with Volvo now and we're working with them. We're actually talking with them about that new program and being able to actually provide those parts as well or at least part of those programs. Speaker 300:31:30Yes. To follow-up, we really don't have any other visibility to any other sales programs falling off. Like Dave said, one of our goals is that we're actually bidding on business 2, 3 years out. We have several of those programs that we've mentioned last year and this year that are wins, which is replacement business 3 years out. And so we really don't have anything like a Volvo out there that we're aware of. Speaker 300:31:53I think our customer relationships are good in all those areas. And I think the original comments that Dave made about where we are operationally, we really do think operationally in this industry, we're pretty strong compared to some of our competitors that have gone through some challenges. And so I think we're really placed right. We've got to go win the business and there's really no other major programs that we know of that have been awarded away at this Operator00:32:23point or anything like that. Yes. Great. Thanks. Speaker 200:32:23A lot of what we worked on was really getting the business model right, being able to get our execution in place as far as our costs as well as what we talk about on the market pricing. So I think preparing the organization and now looking at what we need to do to invest for to drive growth to have the peak of the season come in and not be ready for that. We've seen what that does in the past in 20 eighteen-twenty Speaker 600:32:5319. Great. Well, thanks for the color on the customer outlook and the visibility that you have there. That's really helpful. And congratulations again on just being very good this year at managing gross margin, especially your guidance for the year. Speaker 600:33:06I appreciate that. Thanks. Speaker 400:33:08Thanks, Tim. Operator00:33:13And at this time, we are showing no further questioners in the queue. And this does conclude our question and answer session. I would now like to turn the conference back over to Dave Duvall for any closing remarks. Speaker 200:33:25Thank you for your continued interest in our company. We'll participate in the upcoming East Coast Ideas Conference in New York in June, and we look forward to providing an update on our progress when we report the Q2 results in August. Thank you very much and have a great day. Operator00:33:44The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation and you may now disconnect.Read morePowered by