NASDAQ:MFIC MidCap Financial Investment Q1 2024 Earnings Report $11.82 -0.17 (-1.42%) Closing price 10/1/2025 04:00 PM EasternExtended Trading$11.86 +0.04 (+0.34%) As of 08:02 AM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast MidCap Financial Investment EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.44Consensus EPS $0.43Beat/MissBeat by +$0.01One Year Ago EPSN/AMidCap Financial Investment Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$68.33 millionExpected Revenue$69.48 millionBeat/MissMissed by -$1.15 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/AMidCap Financial Investment Announcement DetailsQuarterQ1 2024Date5/7/2024TimeN/AConference Call DateWednesday, May 8, 2024Conference Call Time8:30AM ETUpcoming EarningsMidCap Financial Investment's Q3 2025 earnings is scheduled for Thursday, November 6, 2025, with a conference call scheduled at 8:30 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by MidCap Financial Investment Q1 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMay 8, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways Strong Q1 results with net investment income per share of $0.44, an 11.4% annualized ROE, and NAV per share rising to $15.42. Portfolio remains highly senior with 97% first-lien corporate loans representing 92% of total assets, reflecting continued de-risking and stable credit metrics. Declared a $0.38 quarterly dividend (9.9% annualized yield) fully covered by net investment income to support NAV stability and growth. Middle market activity robust with $149 million of new first-lien commitments at a weighted average spread of 624 bps and an on-levered asset yield near 12%, backed by a strong pipeline. Proposed mergers with Apollo Senior Floating Rate Fund and Apollo Tactical Income Fund to enhance scale and diversification, including a one-time $0.20 special dividend upon closing. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallMidCap Financial Investment Q1 202400:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xThere are 9 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good morning, and welcome to the Earnings Conference Call for the period ended March 31, 2024, for MidCap Financial Investment Corporation. At this time, all participants have been placed in listen only mode. The call will be open for a question and answer session following the speakers' prepared remarks. I will now turn the call over to Elizabeth Besen, Investor Relations Manager for MidCap Financial Investment Corporation. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:41Thank you, operator, and thank you everyone for joining us today. Speaking on today's call are Tanner Powell, Chief Executive Officer Ted McNulty, President Greg Hunt, Chief Financial Officer. Howard Widraff, Executive Chairman as well as additional members of the management team are on the call and available for the Q and A portion of today's call. I'd like to advise everyone that today's call and webcasts are being recorded. Please note that they are the property of MidCap Financial Investment Corporation and that any unauthorized broadcast in any form is strictly prohibited. Speaker 100:01:10Information about the audio replay of this call is available in our press release. I'd also like to call your attention to the customary Safe Harbor disclosure in our press release regarding forward looking information. Today's conference call and webcast may include forward looking statements. You should refer to our most recent SEC filings our most recent filings with the SEC for risks that apply to our business and that may adversely affect any forward looking statements we make. We do not undertake to update our forward looking statements or projections unless required by law. Speaker 100:01:37To obtain copies of our SEC filings, please visit either the SEC's website at www.sec.gov or our website at www.midcap financialic.com. I'd also like to remind everyone that we've posted a supplemental financial information package on our website, which contains information about the portfolio as well as the company's financial performance. Throughout today's call, we will refer to MidCap Financial Investment Corporation as either MFIC or the BDC, and we will use MidCap Financial to refer to the lender headquartered in Bethesda, Maryland. At this time, I'd like to turn the call over to Tanner Paltz, MFIC's Chief Executive Officer. Speaker 200:02:14Thank you, Elizabeth, and thank you everyone for joining today's call. I will begin today's call with a summary of our results and will also provide our perspective on the current environment. I will then provide an update to our proposed merger with Apollo Senior Floating Rate Fund Inc. And Apollo Tactical Income Fund Inc. Ted will then cover our investment activity and provide an update on the investment portfolio and credit quality. Speaker 200:02:35Lastly, Greg will review our financial results in greater detail. Yesterday after market close, we reported solid results for the March quarter, which included a slight increase in net asset value per share, relatively stable credit performance and continued derisking of the portfolio. Net investment income per share for the March quarter was 0 point 44 equity or ROE of 11.4%. Results for the quarter reflect solid recurring interest income from our predominantly floating rate portfolio and strong fee and prepayment income. GAAP EPS for the March quarter was 0.39 continued to improve the risk profile of our portfolio by reducing our exposure in Merx, our aircraft leasing portfolio company as well as our 2nd lien exposure. Speaker 200:03:21At the end of March, corporate lending and other represented 92% of the total portfolio of which 97% was first lien on a fair value basis up from 96% last quarter. With the repayment of 1 of our few remaining second lien positions, our second lien and other debt exposure is now only about 0.7% of the total corporate lending portfolio. We believe MFIC has one of the most senior corporate lending portfolios among BDCs as evidenced by our weighted average attachment point of essentially 0. We believe we have constructed a corporate lending portfolio that will perform well even during a potential economic downturn. Overall, we feel good about the health and quality of our corporate lending portfolio as our underlying borrowers have largely been able to handle higher borrowing costs. Speaker 200:04:11We have not seen any significant signs of credit weakness across the portfolio. We are of course closely monitoring our portfolio and mindful of the potential impacts of a higher for longer rate environment. I would now like to provide our perspective on the current environment. Despite high interest rates, elevated inflation and geopolitical uncertainty, U. S. Speaker 200:04:30Economy has proven to be resilient and continues to display strong growth. At the beginning of 2024, investors expected the Federal Reserve to cut rates multiple times during the year. However, as the quarter progressed, sovereign inflation has pushed out the expectation for the start of rate cuts and the market generally believes that we are in a higher for longer scenario. Apollo's Chief Economist believes that there's a reasonable chance that the Fed may not cut at all in 2024, while the market is currently pricing in only one cut this year. Specific to the lending market, during the Q1, there has been an increase in activity in the syndicated loan market. Speaker 200:05:08MFIC is focused on the middle market, which is less susceptible to competition from the syndicated loan market. Although spreads in our market have decreased, the decline has been less than what we have observed in liquid loan market. Spreads in our market are still healthy by historical standards and we continue to believe risk return in the middle market remains compelling. In our market today, a typical deal would price with a spread of around 500 to 550 basis points. Points. Speaker 200:05:34As you know, MFIC is squarely focused on the core middle market. MidCap Financial, which was founded in 2,009 has a long track record which includes closing on approximately $114,000,000,000 of lending commitments since 2013. Its origination track record provides us with a very large data set of middle market company financial information across all industries and we believe makes Mid Financial one of the most informed and experienced middle market lenders in the market. Apollo's affiliation with MidCap Financial is a significant competitive advantage for MFIC. In short, we believe the core middle market offers attractive investment opportunities across cycles and did not compete directly with either the broadly syndicated loan market or the high yield market. Speaker 200:06:20Next, let's turn to the dividend. Our approach to dividend seeks to provide shareholders with an attractive current yield while also retaining some earnings for NAV stability and growth. To that end, our Board of Directors declared a dividend of 0.38 dollars per share, consistent with our prior year prior quarter dividend to shareholders of record as of June 11, 2024, payable on June 27, 2024. A $0.38 dividend represents an annualized yield of approximately 9.9% based on NAV per share as of March 31. Our dividend continues to be well covered by net investment income. Speaker 200:06:56Before handling the call over to Ted, I would like to provide a brief update on MFIC's proposed mergers with AFT and AIF. We remain excited about these proposed mergers and we believe that their confirmation, which is subject to receipt of certain stockholder approvals and satisfaction of other customary closing conditions, will create a stronger combined company. We look forward to realizing the potential benefits of a larger combined company, including enhanced returns for all stockholders, greater scale and enhanced portfolio diversification after closing. As a reminder, if 1 or both of these mergers close, MFIC will pay a one time cash dividend of $0.20 per share to all stockholders following closing. The exact record date for this dividend will be determined by MFIC's Board of Directors based on the timing of the closing. Speaker 200:07:43We filed a definitive joint proxy statementprospectus related to the mergers on April 4, and the special meetings for stockholders of all 3 funds to vote on the merger proposals have been scheduled for May 28. We have officially commenced the proxy solicitation process related to these proposals, and we kindly request that any stockholders of MFIC, AFT or AIF who have not yet cast their votes on these proposals do so in the coming days. Please note that we will not be able to answer any questions related to the current vote count on today's call. With that, I will turn the call over to Tim. Speaker 300:08:18Thank you, Tanner. Good morning, everyone. Beginning with investment activity, as a reminder, MFIC is focused on investing in loans sourced by MidCap Financial, which provides MFIC with a large pipeline of investment opportunities. MidCap Financial is a leading middle market lender with 1 of the largest direct lending teams in the U. S. Speaker 300:08:35With close to 200 investment professionals. On last quarter's call, we mentioned we were seeing a noticeable pickup in pipeline activity. We're pleased to report that this has led to a a an increase of approximately 31% from the December quarter. During the March quarter, MFIC's new investment commitments totaled 149,000,000 dollars of new first lien commitments across 16 different borrowers for an average new commitment of $9,300,000 as we continue to focus on diversification by borrower. 38% of new commitments were made to existing portfolio companies. Speaker 300:09:15Although we are seeing some pricing compression in the market, the weighted average spread of our new commitments in the quarter was relatively unchanged at 624 basis points, one basis point lower than commitments made during the December quarter. The weighted average OID for new commitments was approximately 211 basis points. The spread in OID translates into a very attractive on levered asset yield of around 12%, assuming a 5% base rate. The weighted average net leverage of new commitments was 3.9x. We believe the risk return on these new commitments is very compelling. Speaker 300:09:49Our pipeline of investment opportunities remains strong. In terms of funded investment activity, gross fundings for the corporate lending portfolio excluding revolvers totaled $129,000,000 sales and repayments totaled 95,000,000 dollars Net corporate lending revolver pay downs were $14,000,000 and we received a $4,000,000 pay down from Merx. In aggregate, net fundings for the quarter totaled 16,000,000 dollars Our portfolio turnover continues to drive a positive shift in the composition of our portfolio. Sales and repayments included the exit of a $15,000,000 2nd lien position, which reduced our already low second lien and other debt exposure by half to just $13,800,000 or 0.7 percent Speaker 400:10:33or 0.7% of the total corporate lending portfolio Speaker 300:10:33at fair value. We believe this negligible amount of non first lien exposure highlights the very senior nature of our corporate lending portfolio. Turning to our investment portfolio, we have built a well diversified senior corporate lending book. At the end of March, our portfolio had a fair value of $2,350,000,000 and was invested in 154 companies across 23 different industries. Corporate lending and other represented approximately 92% of the total portfolio and Merck's accounted for 8% of the total portfolio on a fair value basis. Speaker 300:11:06The average funded corporate lending position was $14,600,000 or approximately 0.7% of the total corporate and other lending portfolio. 97% of our corporate lending portfolio was 1st lien, up from 96% last quarter and over 99% of our corporate lending debt portfolio on a cost basis had 1 or more financial covenants and 88% of our corporate lending portfolio is backed by financial sponsors who we know well and with whom MidCap Financial has longstanding relationships. Despite the higher for longer interest rate environment, our portfolio companies continue to exhibit strong fundamental performance and meet our expectations. On a median basis for the quarter, portfolio company revenue and EBITDA both increased by mid single digits year over year. The growth in revenue is attributable to organic expansion, while improvements in margins are due to borrowers optimizing their cost structures. Speaker 300:12:00We believe the sustained positive improvement is an encouraging indicator of the portfolio's underlying strength. The weighted average yield at cost of our corporate lending portfolio was 12.1% on average for the March quarter, down slightly from 12.2% in the December quarter. At the end of March, the weighted average spread on the corporate lending portfolio was 6 21 basis points, down 2 basis points compared to the end of December. Turning to credit quality, our focus on true first lien top of the capital structure middle market loans has resulted in what we consider to be strong and resilient credit metrics. Given the 2nd lien repayment I mentioned, the weighted average attachment point for our corporate lending portfolio was essentially 0 or to be more precise, 0.04 times. Speaker 300:12:46This metric means that there is no senior debt to our positions illustrating that our corporate lending portfolio is indeed 1st lien. We believe it is key to look at this metric as not all debt labeled 1st lien is actually top of the capital structure as its name would suggest. The end of March, the weighted average net leverage of our corporate lending portfolio was 5.36 times, up from 5.27 times last quarter. Moving to interest coverage, the weighted average interest coverage ratio remained at 1.9 times unchanged with 4 companies below 1 times. We're closely monitoring these situations and believe they are manageable as the companies have strong current liquidity, good underlying business performance or have strong financial sponsor support. Speaker 300:13:28The median EBITDA of MFIC's corporate lending portfolio was approximately 47,000,000 dollars We have not seen a meaningful increase in covenant breaches or a pickup in amendment activity. We believe our credit quality has benefited from MidCap Financial's strong sourcing and underwriting capabilities. Our underwriting on MidCap source loans has proved to be sound. Based on data since mid-twenty 16, which is the approximate date upon which we began utilizing our co investment order. Our annualized net realized and unrealized loss rate is around 2 basis points on loans sourced by MidCap Financial. Speaker 300:14:02We think this performance data shows how well the strategy has performed. Although we added our $12,000,000 investment in Navigas to non accrual status during the quarter, investments on non accrual remained very low, totaling $14,400,000 or 0.6 percent of the total portfolio at fair value across names. Naviga is currently in a sales process and initial bids are reflected in our mark. We believe these stable credit metrics reflect the way in which we've constructed our portfolio and is the direct result of focus on sourcing assets from MidCap Financial, one of the leading middle market lenders. Importantly, MFIC benefits from MidCap Financial's large dedicated portfolio management team of over 60 investment professionals, which helps identify and address issues early. Speaker 300:14:47It is also important to note that MidCap Financial leads and serves as administrative agent on the vast majority of our deals, which provides meaningful downside protection. Agent, we're in active dialogue with the borrower and have enhanced information flow, which allows us to be proactive in resolving problem credits. Moving on to Merx. As discussed previously, we are focused on reducing our investment in our aircraft leasing and servicing businesses. While we don't expect pay downs to occur evenly, we believe aircraft sales and servicing income should allow for the pay down of third party debt and MFIC's investment in Merx over time. Speaker 300:15:23As of March 31, our investment in Merx totaled approximately $190,000,000 representing approximately 8% of the total portfolio at fair value. During the March quarter, Merck's paid MFIC approximately $5,900,000 which included $1,900,000 of interest and a $4,000,000 return of capital. With that, I will now turn the call over to Greg to discuss our financial results in detail. Speaker 500:15:47Thank you, Ted, and good morning, everyone. Beginning with $4.4 which reflects solid recurring interest income as well as strong fee and pre payment income. For the quarter, pre payment income was $2,200,000 and fee income was $1,700,000 TIC income remains very low, TIC income remains very low, representing approximately 3% of the total investment income for the quarter. GAAP net income per share for the quarter was 0 point $3.9 which reflects a $0.05 loss on the net on our investment portfolio. Results for the quarter correspond to an annualized return MFIC's NAV per share at MFIC's NAV per share at the end of March was $15.42 up 0 point 0 $1 over the prior quarter, which reflects net investment income of $0.44 which is 0 point 0 6 dollars above the $0.38 distribution and a 0 point by strategy are shown on Slide 17 in the earnings supplement deck. Speaker 500:17:13Net expenses for the quarter were $39,800,000 down $2,400,000 compared to the prior quarter, primarily due to lower general and administrative expenses as well as lower interest expense and lower incentive fees. We recruited the diminishment amount of excise tax in March compared to approximately $1,100,000 in the December quarter. The weighted average interest rate on our debt for the quarter was 7.09%, up from 6 point 9 4% last quarter, which reflects a full quarter impact of the CLO notes and the baby bonds, which both closed during the December quarter. As stated on last quarter's call, we intend to continue to evaluate and monitor capital raising transactions going forward. Management fees totaled $4,400,000 for this March quarter, essentially flat compared to the prior quarter. Speaker 500:18:09As a reminder, MFIC's base management fee was reduced to 1.75% on equity beginning January 1, 2020 3, and is one of the only listed BDCs. We charge management fees on equity, which we believe provides greater alignment and focus on net asset value. Incentive fees totaled $6,000,000 for the March quarter. As a reminder, our incentive fee on income is 17.5 percent and includes a total return hurdle with a 12 quarter look back. Our current estimate of $300,000 or $1.03 per share. Speaker 500:18:59Moving to our balance sheet. MFIC's net leverage was 1 point 3 five times at the end of March compared to 1.34 times at the end of December, reflecting $17,000,000 of net fundings during Speaker 400:19:15the Operator00:19:18The floor is now open for questions. Our first question will come from Mark Hughes with Truist. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:19:43Thank you. Good morning. You've seen much in the way of competitive moves, say, given the broadly syndicated market, a little more activity there. You've seen some lenders dip down more into the middle market and impacting spreads And I'll maybe along with that, I think you talked about 500 to 550 basis point spread today. Is that been relatively stable lately or has that been moving through the quarter? Speaker 400:20:12How would you say it is kind of the trend there? Speaker 600:20:17Yes. Tana, let me I'll comment on that. This is Howard. The not so immediately. And that's really because, obviously, you may see large sponsors that are covered by and doing larger deals occasionally get down in the middle market. Speaker 600:20:37But in order to cover the middle market, you need to have a comprehensive coverage effort, which is and continuity in the market with a lot of those sponsors. And so you just don't see the capability of the people who are focused on the larger market competing directly, probably syndicated with the capabilities to sort of just step into that market holistically. It doesn't mean it doesn't happen on occasional deals. I mean, as a Speaker 700:21:07separate matter, there's capital being created in the middle market all the time. Speaker 600:21:16Have comprehensive coverage as well. So, there is definitely competition that's causing compression, but it's not really the result of the broadly syndicated market. The middle market is one of the strengths of it is being sort of insulated from that variation. Speaker 400:21:37And then any comment on the trajectory of spreads this year if you think about where they were in January to where we are today? Speaker 200:21:50I would take that. So, yes, Mark, I would call your attention to we alluded to the fact that deals are between 505.50. And in the quarter, we actually executed at 624. And that has to do with what we talk about a lot. There's a gestation period for deals getting done and that reflects a lot of sale processes that have been commenced last year. Speaker 200:22:15And so that's pretty significant tightening that we see. What we are seeing is some modicum of stability as at this juncture post December where conditions improved and you saw some of the spread tightening and rally in markets more broadly, those sale processes are hitting are now at a point where they're we're able to create new credit assets and our pipelines are very full. So I would say certainly the my initial comment there reflects the tightening overall that we've seen in the middle market, but seeing some stability now that sale process have had an opportunity to run their course and the opportunity for new credit asset creation. Speaker 400:23:10Yes. Thank you for that. One more in you probably have addressed this, but I wonder if you could update us on the kind of the seniority profile. You generally emphasized the focus on 1st lien. Once you do the merger with the other Apollo funds, how will that look, roughly speaking? Speaker 400:23:30Yes, Speaker 200:23:31it will look similarly. Those funds, which is obviously publicly available, have some more broadly syndicated type loans, but predominantly 1st lien. And then Mark, as we've talked about both in our prepared remarks in the filings as well as also our investor decks that the intention is obviously over time is as those loans mature or we can sell out of them to obviously reposition them into our core strategy of midcap loans, 1st lien floating rate loans that we source they're sourced by the midcap platform. Speaker 400:24:18Thank you very much. Operator00:24:22Thank you. Our next question will come from Kyle Joseph with Jefferies. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:24:28Yes, great. Thanks for taking my questions. And sorry if I missed this, chug on some earnings this morning. But did you give a sense for pro form a leverage or ballpark area post merger? Speaker 500:24:45It will be somewhere around between 115 and 1.2 times levered. Speaker 700:24:53Okay, got it. Helpful. And good segue to my next. Over the last couple of years, you guys have been focused on reducing core and lowering all leverage. And now especially with the merger, are we kind of at the point where you can think about more transitioning to kind of the offensive side, if that's fair to ask? Speaker 200:25:16So Kyle, certainly, we're really excited by the prospect should we be successful of having an opportunity to deploy even more capital. Yes, I wouldn't attach the offensive, defensive valence to it per se because our strategy since we got the ability to go up in leverage has been 100% focused on sourcing or sorry, participating in or investing in loans that are originated at MidCap. And so our approach doesn't change. I think this is just a very elegant opportunity to do even more of it and to kind of create an even bigger percentage of the portfolio with those mid cap sourced loans. Speaker 700:26:08Got it. Very helpful. And then one follow-up for me, probably Greg, just where we are on rates. I'm not going to ask you to predict where rates are going to go, but just how you're thinking about the right side of the balance sheet in the mix between floating rate and fixed rate liabilities. And that's it for me. Speaker 700:26:23Thanks guys. Speaker 500:26:25Okay. I mean, I think that from our point of view, we do have our $350,000,000 10 year note coming due in March of 'twenty five, which is fixed rate. I do think we did our baby bond, which was fixed rate and we didn't swap it because we have a 2 year call option on it. I do think that as we go out, we'll match our liabilities with our assets. Speaker 700:27:01Great. Thanks for taking my questions. Operator00:27:11Our next question will come from Robert Dodd with Raymond James. Speaker 800:27:25Credit quality, obviously, looks really good, right? I mean, picks up going up and always getting paid down, etcetera. Have you seen or heard any initial increased discussion from sponsors? I mean, it was 5 months ago, it looks like there were going to be 6 cuts and sponsors could afford to sit on their hands, so to speak, and wait maybe interest coverage that's still above 1, but moving might resolve itself, if I'm put in a good point. But hit with the possibility of no cuts, but the same one, the high interest costs are going to live longer in the portfolio. Speaker 800:28:06So has there been any change in what sponsors are doing proactively? You said no increasing amendment requests yet. Are there any preliminary discussions there? Or any color you can give on what the outlook is given? It looks like rates are going to stay extremely high for quite a long way at this point. Speaker 300:28:30Yes, yes. Happy to take that. So there's a couple of things going on. 1, over the kind of, I would say, economic environment over the last few years, the sponsors and the companies have focused on really becoming more efficient so that they could prepare for a longer term hold if necessary. And then as you alluded to when there was a view that there were going to be 5 rate cuts, people got excited about doing M and A. Speaker 300:29:01So with the prospects of rate cuts going away, I think we can at least kind of fall back from a fundamental performance standpoint that the companies are doing well. And then secondly, if you think about the technicals of the private equity market, you still have a lot of dry powder that needs to be put to work. You still have a number of sponsors that need to return capital in order to be able to raise their next fund. So that's going to drive transactions. And there's going to be a period of time like any time that there is volatility in rate expectations or market valuations for the bid ask to come together. Speaker 300:29:42And so I think that's happening. And then that will take a little bit of time to play out. And then the third thing that we're seeing is more and more continuation vehicles where sponsors have companies within their funds and they need to hold on to those longer to really realize the multiples that they're looking for. And then I guess finally, the last thing I would say is that in terms of discussions with sponsors about other alternatives, there are some early conversations around extensions and repricings where they're coming back and saying, we thought we were going to monetize this year, but we're going to look to next year. They're not at the point in their fund where they need to do a continuation vehicle or they don't feel the pressure to return capital. Speaker 300:30:34And so there are very constructive discussions around the lending groups extending the maturity and addressing the overall structure. So I would say those are kind of the 4 dynamics at play. Speaker 800:30:50Really helpful. Thank you. I mean, quick follow-up to that one. Does a continuation vehicle constitute a change in control and the mandatory refinancing? Does that get you refinanced out or is it automatic that you get ported across to the new vehicle with the existing loan? Speaker 300:31:10Yes. So it is typical that that would be a change of control. But it's also typical in the direct lending space that you don't just show up one day at your desk and get a notice that it's going to happen, right? There's an ongoing dialogue about what the strategy is, what the financing is going to be. And there's some visibility around the sponsor will come and say, hey, do you want to support this going forward? Speaker 300:31:36And sometimes we say yes and sometimes we say no, at which point they launch a financing process that aligns with their continuation vehicle. Speaker 800:31:44Got it. Thank you. And then one more if I can. If hypothetically, the mergers close sometime in the not too distant future, has the something that's changing the competitive environment out there, BSL, etcetera. Has that changed your plan about how fast you would churn the assets within those acquired vehicles if they were to close? Speaker 200:32:15Thanks, Robert. I think I would say no. I think that you should rely on us or expect us to always be evaluating risk reward in the context of the market environment and what makes sense. And then furthermore, as faced with as we think about investing, we're always cognizant of vintage and wanting to do things with a measured approach. And that would be the same if hypothetically these were to close. Speaker 200:32:49And so if we are confronting an environment such as what we do today, we would be evaluating the market in a similar fashion and evaluating risk reward and our intention would has always been to not take outsized exposure to any one particular vintage and would expect to conduct ourselves in a similar manner should the mergers be successful. Got it. Thank you. Operator00:33:21Thank you. We show no further questions at this time. I would like to turn the call back to management for closing remarks. Speaker 200:33:30Thank you, operator. Thank you, everyone, for listening to today's call. On behalf of the entire team, we thank you for your time today. Please feel free to reach out to us with any other questions, and have a good day. Operator00:33:42This does conclude today's call. We thank you for your participation. 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Sign up for Earnings360's daily newsletter to receive timely earnings updates on MidCap Financial Investment and other key companies, straight to your email. Email Address About MidCap Financial InvestmentMidCap Financial Investment (NASDAQ:MFIC) (NASDAQ: MFIC) is a business development company that provides financing solutions to middle-market companies across the United States. The firm specializes in direct lending and asset-based financing, offering a range of debt instruments designed to support working capital needs, equipment acquisitions, lease financing and corporate recapitalizations. Its focus on senior secured loans, unitranche structures and equipment financings positions it to serve clients in sectors such as manufacturing, healthcare, transportation and energy. Through its lending platform, MidCap Financial Investment Corporation partners with privately held and sponsor-backed companies that typically generate annual revenues between $25 million and $500 million. The company’s investment strategy emphasizes risk-adjusted returns by targeting assets with strong collateral profiles and stable cash flows. By structuring loans with customized terms and covenants, the firm aims to preserve capital while generating attractive yield for its shareholders. MidCap Financial Investment Corporation is externally managed by MidCap Financial, LLC, an independent investment advisor with a dedicated team of credit analysts and portfolio managers. The management team leverages industry expertise and rigorous due diligence to underwrite transactions and monitor ongoing credit performance. 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There are 9 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good morning, and welcome to the Earnings Conference Call for the period ended March 31, 2024, for MidCap Financial Investment Corporation. At this time, all participants have been placed in listen only mode. The call will be open for a question and answer session following the speakers' prepared remarks. I will now turn the call over to Elizabeth Besen, Investor Relations Manager for MidCap Financial Investment Corporation. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:41Thank you, operator, and thank you everyone for joining us today. Speaking on today's call are Tanner Powell, Chief Executive Officer Ted McNulty, President Greg Hunt, Chief Financial Officer. Howard Widraff, Executive Chairman as well as additional members of the management team are on the call and available for the Q and A portion of today's call. I'd like to advise everyone that today's call and webcasts are being recorded. Please note that they are the property of MidCap Financial Investment Corporation and that any unauthorized broadcast in any form is strictly prohibited. Speaker 100:01:10Information about the audio replay of this call is available in our press release. I'd also like to call your attention to the customary Safe Harbor disclosure in our press release regarding forward looking information. Today's conference call and webcast may include forward looking statements. You should refer to our most recent SEC filings our most recent filings with the SEC for risks that apply to our business and that may adversely affect any forward looking statements we make. We do not undertake to update our forward looking statements or projections unless required by law. Speaker 100:01:37To obtain copies of our SEC filings, please visit either the SEC's website at www.sec.gov or our website at www.midcap financialic.com. I'd also like to remind everyone that we've posted a supplemental financial information package on our website, which contains information about the portfolio as well as the company's financial performance. Throughout today's call, we will refer to MidCap Financial Investment Corporation as either MFIC or the BDC, and we will use MidCap Financial to refer to the lender headquartered in Bethesda, Maryland. At this time, I'd like to turn the call over to Tanner Paltz, MFIC's Chief Executive Officer. Speaker 200:02:14Thank you, Elizabeth, and thank you everyone for joining today's call. I will begin today's call with a summary of our results and will also provide our perspective on the current environment. I will then provide an update to our proposed merger with Apollo Senior Floating Rate Fund Inc. And Apollo Tactical Income Fund Inc. Ted will then cover our investment activity and provide an update on the investment portfolio and credit quality. Speaker 200:02:35Lastly, Greg will review our financial results in greater detail. Yesterday after market close, we reported solid results for the March quarter, which included a slight increase in net asset value per share, relatively stable credit performance and continued derisking of the portfolio. Net investment income per share for the March quarter was 0 point 44 equity or ROE of 11.4%. Results for the quarter reflect solid recurring interest income from our predominantly floating rate portfolio and strong fee and prepayment income. GAAP EPS for the March quarter was 0.39 continued to improve the risk profile of our portfolio by reducing our exposure in Merx, our aircraft leasing portfolio company as well as our 2nd lien exposure. Speaker 200:03:21At the end of March, corporate lending and other represented 92% of the total portfolio of which 97% was first lien on a fair value basis up from 96% last quarter. With the repayment of 1 of our few remaining second lien positions, our second lien and other debt exposure is now only about 0.7% of the total corporate lending portfolio. We believe MFIC has one of the most senior corporate lending portfolios among BDCs as evidenced by our weighted average attachment point of essentially 0. We believe we have constructed a corporate lending portfolio that will perform well even during a potential economic downturn. Overall, we feel good about the health and quality of our corporate lending portfolio as our underlying borrowers have largely been able to handle higher borrowing costs. Speaker 200:04:11We have not seen any significant signs of credit weakness across the portfolio. We are of course closely monitoring our portfolio and mindful of the potential impacts of a higher for longer rate environment. I would now like to provide our perspective on the current environment. Despite high interest rates, elevated inflation and geopolitical uncertainty, U. S. Speaker 200:04:30Economy has proven to be resilient and continues to display strong growth. At the beginning of 2024, investors expected the Federal Reserve to cut rates multiple times during the year. However, as the quarter progressed, sovereign inflation has pushed out the expectation for the start of rate cuts and the market generally believes that we are in a higher for longer scenario. Apollo's Chief Economist believes that there's a reasonable chance that the Fed may not cut at all in 2024, while the market is currently pricing in only one cut this year. Specific to the lending market, during the Q1, there has been an increase in activity in the syndicated loan market. Speaker 200:05:08MFIC is focused on the middle market, which is less susceptible to competition from the syndicated loan market. Although spreads in our market have decreased, the decline has been less than what we have observed in liquid loan market. Spreads in our market are still healthy by historical standards and we continue to believe risk return in the middle market remains compelling. In our market today, a typical deal would price with a spread of around 500 to 550 basis points. Points. Speaker 200:05:34As you know, MFIC is squarely focused on the core middle market. MidCap Financial, which was founded in 2,009 has a long track record which includes closing on approximately $114,000,000,000 of lending commitments since 2013. Its origination track record provides us with a very large data set of middle market company financial information across all industries and we believe makes Mid Financial one of the most informed and experienced middle market lenders in the market. Apollo's affiliation with MidCap Financial is a significant competitive advantage for MFIC. In short, we believe the core middle market offers attractive investment opportunities across cycles and did not compete directly with either the broadly syndicated loan market or the high yield market. Speaker 200:06:20Next, let's turn to the dividend. Our approach to dividend seeks to provide shareholders with an attractive current yield while also retaining some earnings for NAV stability and growth. To that end, our Board of Directors declared a dividend of 0.38 dollars per share, consistent with our prior year prior quarter dividend to shareholders of record as of June 11, 2024, payable on June 27, 2024. A $0.38 dividend represents an annualized yield of approximately 9.9% based on NAV per share as of March 31. Our dividend continues to be well covered by net investment income. Speaker 200:06:56Before handling the call over to Ted, I would like to provide a brief update on MFIC's proposed mergers with AFT and AIF. We remain excited about these proposed mergers and we believe that their confirmation, which is subject to receipt of certain stockholder approvals and satisfaction of other customary closing conditions, will create a stronger combined company. We look forward to realizing the potential benefits of a larger combined company, including enhanced returns for all stockholders, greater scale and enhanced portfolio diversification after closing. As a reminder, if 1 or both of these mergers close, MFIC will pay a one time cash dividend of $0.20 per share to all stockholders following closing. The exact record date for this dividend will be determined by MFIC's Board of Directors based on the timing of the closing. Speaker 200:07:43We filed a definitive joint proxy statementprospectus related to the mergers on April 4, and the special meetings for stockholders of all 3 funds to vote on the merger proposals have been scheduled for May 28. We have officially commenced the proxy solicitation process related to these proposals, and we kindly request that any stockholders of MFIC, AFT or AIF who have not yet cast their votes on these proposals do so in the coming days. Please note that we will not be able to answer any questions related to the current vote count on today's call. With that, I will turn the call over to Tim. Speaker 300:08:18Thank you, Tanner. Good morning, everyone. Beginning with investment activity, as a reminder, MFIC is focused on investing in loans sourced by MidCap Financial, which provides MFIC with a large pipeline of investment opportunities. MidCap Financial is a leading middle market lender with 1 of the largest direct lending teams in the U. S. Speaker 300:08:35With close to 200 investment professionals. On last quarter's call, we mentioned we were seeing a noticeable pickup in pipeline activity. We're pleased to report that this has led to a a an increase of approximately 31% from the December quarter. During the March quarter, MFIC's new investment commitments totaled 149,000,000 dollars of new first lien commitments across 16 different borrowers for an average new commitment of $9,300,000 as we continue to focus on diversification by borrower. 38% of new commitments were made to existing portfolio companies. Speaker 300:09:15Although we are seeing some pricing compression in the market, the weighted average spread of our new commitments in the quarter was relatively unchanged at 624 basis points, one basis point lower than commitments made during the December quarter. The weighted average OID for new commitments was approximately 211 basis points. The spread in OID translates into a very attractive on levered asset yield of around 12%, assuming a 5% base rate. The weighted average net leverage of new commitments was 3.9x. We believe the risk return on these new commitments is very compelling. Speaker 300:09:49Our pipeline of investment opportunities remains strong. In terms of funded investment activity, gross fundings for the corporate lending portfolio excluding revolvers totaled $129,000,000 sales and repayments totaled 95,000,000 dollars Net corporate lending revolver pay downs were $14,000,000 and we received a $4,000,000 pay down from Merx. In aggregate, net fundings for the quarter totaled 16,000,000 dollars Our portfolio turnover continues to drive a positive shift in the composition of our portfolio. Sales and repayments included the exit of a $15,000,000 2nd lien position, which reduced our already low second lien and other debt exposure by half to just $13,800,000 or 0.7 percent Speaker 400:10:33or 0.7% of the total corporate lending portfolio Speaker 300:10:33at fair value. We believe this negligible amount of non first lien exposure highlights the very senior nature of our corporate lending portfolio. Turning to our investment portfolio, we have built a well diversified senior corporate lending book. At the end of March, our portfolio had a fair value of $2,350,000,000 and was invested in 154 companies across 23 different industries. Corporate lending and other represented approximately 92% of the total portfolio and Merck's accounted for 8% of the total portfolio on a fair value basis. Speaker 300:11:06The average funded corporate lending position was $14,600,000 or approximately 0.7% of the total corporate and other lending portfolio. 97% of our corporate lending portfolio was 1st lien, up from 96% last quarter and over 99% of our corporate lending debt portfolio on a cost basis had 1 or more financial covenants and 88% of our corporate lending portfolio is backed by financial sponsors who we know well and with whom MidCap Financial has longstanding relationships. Despite the higher for longer interest rate environment, our portfolio companies continue to exhibit strong fundamental performance and meet our expectations. On a median basis for the quarter, portfolio company revenue and EBITDA both increased by mid single digits year over year. The growth in revenue is attributable to organic expansion, while improvements in margins are due to borrowers optimizing their cost structures. Speaker 300:12:00We believe the sustained positive improvement is an encouraging indicator of the portfolio's underlying strength. The weighted average yield at cost of our corporate lending portfolio was 12.1% on average for the March quarter, down slightly from 12.2% in the December quarter. At the end of March, the weighted average spread on the corporate lending portfolio was 6 21 basis points, down 2 basis points compared to the end of December. Turning to credit quality, our focus on true first lien top of the capital structure middle market loans has resulted in what we consider to be strong and resilient credit metrics. Given the 2nd lien repayment I mentioned, the weighted average attachment point for our corporate lending portfolio was essentially 0 or to be more precise, 0.04 times. Speaker 300:12:46This metric means that there is no senior debt to our positions illustrating that our corporate lending portfolio is indeed 1st lien. We believe it is key to look at this metric as not all debt labeled 1st lien is actually top of the capital structure as its name would suggest. The end of March, the weighted average net leverage of our corporate lending portfolio was 5.36 times, up from 5.27 times last quarter. Moving to interest coverage, the weighted average interest coverage ratio remained at 1.9 times unchanged with 4 companies below 1 times. We're closely monitoring these situations and believe they are manageable as the companies have strong current liquidity, good underlying business performance or have strong financial sponsor support. Speaker 300:13:28The median EBITDA of MFIC's corporate lending portfolio was approximately 47,000,000 dollars We have not seen a meaningful increase in covenant breaches or a pickup in amendment activity. We believe our credit quality has benefited from MidCap Financial's strong sourcing and underwriting capabilities. Our underwriting on MidCap source loans has proved to be sound. Based on data since mid-twenty 16, which is the approximate date upon which we began utilizing our co investment order. Our annualized net realized and unrealized loss rate is around 2 basis points on loans sourced by MidCap Financial. Speaker 300:14:02We think this performance data shows how well the strategy has performed. Although we added our $12,000,000 investment in Navigas to non accrual status during the quarter, investments on non accrual remained very low, totaling $14,400,000 or 0.6 percent of the total portfolio at fair value across names. Naviga is currently in a sales process and initial bids are reflected in our mark. We believe these stable credit metrics reflect the way in which we've constructed our portfolio and is the direct result of focus on sourcing assets from MidCap Financial, one of the leading middle market lenders. Importantly, MFIC benefits from MidCap Financial's large dedicated portfolio management team of over 60 investment professionals, which helps identify and address issues early. Speaker 300:14:47It is also important to note that MidCap Financial leads and serves as administrative agent on the vast majority of our deals, which provides meaningful downside protection. Agent, we're in active dialogue with the borrower and have enhanced information flow, which allows us to be proactive in resolving problem credits. Moving on to Merx. As discussed previously, we are focused on reducing our investment in our aircraft leasing and servicing businesses. While we don't expect pay downs to occur evenly, we believe aircraft sales and servicing income should allow for the pay down of third party debt and MFIC's investment in Merx over time. Speaker 300:15:23As of March 31, our investment in Merx totaled approximately $190,000,000 representing approximately 8% of the total portfolio at fair value. During the March quarter, Merck's paid MFIC approximately $5,900,000 which included $1,900,000 of interest and a $4,000,000 return of capital. With that, I will now turn the call over to Greg to discuss our financial results in detail. Speaker 500:15:47Thank you, Ted, and good morning, everyone. Beginning with $4.4 which reflects solid recurring interest income as well as strong fee and pre payment income. For the quarter, pre payment income was $2,200,000 and fee income was $1,700,000 TIC income remains very low, TIC income remains very low, representing approximately 3% of the total investment income for the quarter. GAAP net income per share for the quarter was 0 point $3.9 which reflects a $0.05 loss on the net on our investment portfolio. Results for the quarter correspond to an annualized return MFIC's NAV per share at MFIC's NAV per share at the end of March was $15.42 up 0 point 0 $1 over the prior quarter, which reflects net investment income of $0.44 which is 0 point 0 6 dollars above the $0.38 distribution and a 0 point by strategy are shown on Slide 17 in the earnings supplement deck. Speaker 500:17:13Net expenses for the quarter were $39,800,000 down $2,400,000 compared to the prior quarter, primarily due to lower general and administrative expenses as well as lower interest expense and lower incentive fees. We recruited the diminishment amount of excise tax in March compared to approximately $1,100,000 in the December quarter. The weighted average interest rate on our debt for the quarter was 7.09%, up from 6 point 9 4% last quarter, which reflects a full quarter impact of the CLO notes and the baby bonds, which both closed during the December quarter. As stated on last quarter's call, we intend to continue to evaluate and monitor capital raising transactions going forward. Management fees totaled $4,400,000 for this March quarter, essentially flat compared to the prior quarter. Speaker 500:18:09As a reminder, MFIC's base management fee was reduced to 1.75% on equity beginning January 1, 2020 3, and is one of the only listed BDCs. We charge management fees on equity, which we believe provides greater alignment and focus on net asset value. Incentive fees totaled $6,000,000 for the March quarter. As a reminder, our incentive fee on income is 17.5 percent and includes a total return hurdle with a 12 quarter look back. Our current estimate of $300,000 or $1.03 per share. Speaker 500:18:59Moving to our balance sheet. MFIC's net leverage was 1 point 3 five times at the end of March compared to 1.34 times at the end of December, reflecting $17,000,000 of net fundings during Speaker 400:19:15the Operator00:19:18The floor is now open for questions. Our first question will come from Mark Hughes with Truist. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:19:43Thank you. Good morning. You've seen much in the way of competitive moves, say, given the broadly syndicated market, a little more activity there. You've seen some lenders dip down more into the middle market and impacting spreads And I'll maybe along with that, I think you talked about 500 to 550 basis point spread today. Is that been relatively stable lately or has that been moving through the quarter? Speaker 400:20:12How would you say it is kind of the trend there? Speaker 600:20:17Yes. Tana, let me I'll comment on that. This is Howard. The not so immediately. And that's really because, obviously, you may see large sponsors that are covered by and doing larger deals occasionally get down in the middle market. Speaker 600:20:37But in order to cover the middle market, you need to have a comprehensive coverage effort, which is and continuity in the market with a lot of those sponsors. And so you just don't see the capability of the people who are focused on the larger market competing directly, probably syndicated with the capabilities to sort of just step into that market holistically. It doesn't mean it doesn't happen on occasional deals. I mean, as a Speaker 700:21:07separate matter, there's capital being created in the middle market all the time. Speaker 600:21:16Have comprehensive coverage as well. So, there is definitely competition that's causing compression, but it's not really the result of the broadly syndicated market. The middle market is one of the strengths of it is being sort of insulated from that variation. Speaker 400:21:37And then any comment on the trajectory of spreads this year if you think about where they were in January to where we are today? Speaker 200:21:50I would take that. So, yes, Mark, I would call your attention to we alluded to the fact that deals are between 505.50. And in the quarter, we actually executed at 624. And that has to do with what we talk about a lot. There's a gestation period for deals getting done and that reflects a lot of sale processes that have been commenced last year. Speaker 200:22:15And so that's pretty significant tightening that we see. What we are seeing is some modicum of stability as at this juncture post December where conditions improved and you saw some of the spread tightening and rally in markets more broadly, those sale processes are hitting are now at a point where they're we're able to create new credit assets and our pipelines are very full. So I would say certainly the my initial comment there reflects the tightening overall that we've seen in the middle market, but seeing some stability now that sale process have had an opportunity to run their course and the opportunity for new credit asset creation. Speaker 400:23:10Yes. Thank you for that. One more in you probably have addressed this, but I wonder if you could update us on the kind of the seniority profile. You generally emphasized the focus on 1st lien. Once you do the merger with the other Apollo funds, how will that look, roughly speaking? Speaker 400:23:30Yes, Speaker 200:23:31it will look similarly. Those funds, which is obviously publicly available, have some more broadly syndicated type loans, but predominantly 1st lien. And then Mark, as we've talked about both in our prepared remarks in the filings as well as also our investor decks that the intention is obviously over time is as those loans mature or we can sell out of them to obviously reposition them into our core strategy of midcap loans, 1st lien floating rate loans that we source they're sourced by the midcap platform. Speaker 400:24:18Thank you very much. Operator00:24:22Thank you. Our next question will come from Kyle Joseph with Jefferies. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:24:28Yes, great. Thanks for taking my questions. And sorry if I missed this, chug on some earnings this morning. But did you give a sense for pro form a leverage or ballpark area post merger? Speaker 500:24:45It will be somewhere around between 115 and 1.2 times levered. Speaker 700:24:53Okay, got it. Helpful. And good segue to my next. Over the last couple of years, you guys have been focused on reducing core and lowering all leverage. And now especially with the merger, are we kind of at the point where you can think about more transitioning to kind of the offensive side, if that's fair to ask? Speaker 200:25:16So Kyle, certainly, we're really excited by the prospect should we be successful of having an opportunity to deploy even more capital. Yes, I wouldn't attach the offensive, defensive valence to it per se because our strategy since we got the ability to go up in leverage has been 100% focused on sourcing or sorry, participating in or investing in loans that are originated at MidCap. And so our approach doesn't change. I think this is just a very elegant opportunity to do even more of it and to kind of create an even bigger percentage of the portfolio with those mid cap sourced loans. Speaker 700:26:08Got it. Very helpful. And then one follow-up for me, probably Greg, just where we are on rates. I'm not going to ask you to predict where rates are going to go, but just how you're thinking about the right side of the balance sheet in the mix between floating rate and fixed rate liabilities. And that's it for me. Speaker 700:26:23Thanks guys. Speaker 500:26:25Okay. I mean, I think that from our point of view, we do have our $350,000,000 10 year note coming due in March of 'twenty five, which is fixed rate. I do think we did our baby bond, which was fixed rate and we didn't swap it because we have a 2 year call option on it. I do think that as we go out, we'll match our liabilities with our assets. Speaker 700:27:01Great. Thanks for taking my questions. Operator00:27:11Our next question will come from Robert Dodd with Raymond James. Speaker 800:27:25Credit quality, obviously, looks really good, right? I mean, picks up going up and always getting paid down, etcetera. Have you seen or heard any initial increased discussion from sponsors? I mean, it was 5 months ago, it looks like there were going to be 6 cuts and sponsors could afford to sit on their hands, so to speak, and wait maybe interest coverage that's still above 1, but moving might resolve itself, if I'm put in a good point. But hit with the possibility of no cuts, but the same one, the high interest costs are going to live longer in the portfolio. Speaker 800:28:06So has there been any change in what sponsors are doing proactively? You said no increasing amendment requests yet. Are there any preliminary discussions there? Or any color you can give on what the outlook is given? It looks like rates are going to stay extremely high for quite a long way at this point. Speaker 300:28:30Yes, yes. Happy to take that. So there's a couple of things going on. 1, over the kind of, I would say, economic environment over the last few years, the sponsors and the companies have focused on really becoming more efficient so that they could prepare for a longer term hold if necessary. And then as you alluded to when there was a view that there were going to be 5 rate cuts, people got excited about doing M and A. Speaker 300:29:01So with the prospects of rate cuts going away, I think we can at least kind of fall back from a fundamental performance standpoint that the companies are doing well. And then secondly, if you think about the technicals of the private equity market, you still have a lot of dry powder that needs to be put to work. You still have a number of sponsors that need to return capital in order to be able to raise their next fund. So that's going to drive transactions. And there's going to be a period of time like any time that there is volatility in rate expectations or market valuations for the bid ask to come together. Speaker 300:29:42And so I think that's happening. And then that will take a little bit of time to play out. And then the third thing that we're seeing is more and more continuation vehicles where sponsors have companies within their funds and they need to hold on to those longer to really realize the multiples that they're looking for. And then I guess finally, the last thing I would say is that in terms of discussions with sponsors about other alternatives, there are some early conversations around extensions and repricings where they're coming back and saying, we thought we were going to monetize this year, but we're going to look to next year. They're not at the point in their fund where they need to do a continuation vehicle or they don't feel the pressure to return capital. Speaker 300:30:34And so there are very constructive discussions around the lending groups extending the maturity and addressing the overall structure. So I would say those are kind of the 4 dynamics at play. Speaker 800:30:50Really helpful. Thank you. I mean, quick follow-up to that one. Does a continuation vehicle constitute a change in control and the mandatory refinancing? Does that get you refinanced out or is it automatic that you get ported across to the new vehicle with the existing loan? Speaker 300:31:10Yes. So it is typical that that would be a change of control. But it's also typical in the direct lending space that you don't just show up one day at your desk and get a notice that it's going to happen, right? There's an ongoing dialogue about what the strategy is, what the financing is going to be. And there's some visibility around the sponsor will come and say, hey, do you want to support this going forward? Speaker 300:31:36And sometimes we say yes and sometimes we say no, at which point they launch a financing process that aligns with their continuation vehicle. Speaker 800:31:44Got it. Thank you. And then one more if I can. If hypothetically, the mergers close sometime in the not too distant future, has the something that's changing the competitive environment out there, BSL, etcetera. Has that changed your plan about how fast you would churn the assets within those acquired vehicles if they were to close? Speaker 200:32:15Thanks, Robert. I think I would say no. I think that you should rely on us or expect us to always be evaluating risk reward in the context of the market environment and what makes sense. And then furthermore, as faced with as we think about investing, we're always cognizant of vintage and wanting to do things with a measured approach. And that would be the same if hypothetically these were to close. Speaker 200:32:49And so if we are confronting an environment such as what we do today, we would be evaluating the market in a similar fashion and evaluating risk reward and our intention would has always been to not take outsized exposure to any one particular vintage and would expect to conduct ourselves in a similar manner should the mergers be successful. Got it. Thank you. Operator00:33:21Thank you. We show no further questions at this time. I would like to turn the call back to management for closing remarks. Speaker 200:33:30Thank you, operator. Thank you, everyone, for listening to today's call. On behalf of the entire team, we thank you for your time today. Please feel free to reach out to us with any other questions, and have a good day. Operator00:33:42This does conclude today's call. We thank you for your participation. You may disconnect your line at this time and have a wonderful day.Read morePowered by