Liquidity Services Q2 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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May 9, 2024

There are 6 speakers on the call.

Operator

Welcome to the Liquidity Services Inc. 2nd Quarter of Fiscal Year 2024 Financial Results Conference Call. My name is Liz, and I will be your operator for today's call. Please note that this conference call is being recorded. At this time, all participants are in listen only mode.

Operator

Later, we will conduct a question and answer session. I will now turn the call over to Michael Patrick, Liquidity Services' Vice President and Controller. Take it away.

Speaker 1

Good morning. On the call today are Bill Angrick, our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer and Jorge Celaya, our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. They will be available for questions after their prepared remarks. The following discussion and responses to your question reflect management's views as of today, May 9, 2024, and will include forward looking statements. Actual results may differ materially.

Speaker 1

Additional information about factors that could potentially impact our financial results is included in today's press release and in filings with the SEC, including our most recent Annual Report on Form 10 ks. As you listen to today's call, please have our press release in front of you, which includes our financial results as well as metrics and commentary on the quarter. During this call, management will discuss certain non GAAP financial measures. In its press release and filings with the SEC, each of which is posted on our website, you will find additional disclosures regarding these non GAAP measures, including the reconciliation of these measures with the most comparable GAAP measures as available. Management also uses certain supplemental operating data as a measure of certain components of operating performance, which we believe is useful for management and investors.

Speaker 1

This supplemental operating data includes gross merchandise volume and should not be considered a substitute for or superior to GAAP results. At this time, I will turn the presentation over to our Chairman and CEO, Bill Engerig.

Speaker 2

Good morning, and welcome to our Q2 earnings call. I'll review our Q2 performance and the progress of our business segments. And next, Jorge Celaya will provide more details on the quarter. Our marketplace platform and services continued to delight customers fueling double digit organic revenue and GMV growth year over year. Our business continues to prove its resilience even against the backdrop of higher interest rates and slowing growth in many sectors of the economy.

Speaker 2

We are pleased that our balanced investments in sales, operations and platform automation are being rewarded across our diversified segments with market share expansion and record buyer participation on our platform. In fact, this quarter we shattered records for the number of completed transactions up 44% year over year and the number of auction participants up 43% year over year, which reflects the growing breadth of supply and buyer liquidity we've developed on our marketplace platform. Our retail supply chain group segment set a new quarterly GMV record with approximately $80,000,000 of GMV powered in part by the rapidly expanding growth of our all surplus deals direct to consumer sales channel, which grew GMV sequentially over 60%. Our CAG segment continues to grow its recurring heavy equipment seller base at a record pace and grew its heavy equipment fleet GMV by over 30% year over year during the quarter. CAGS all surplus online marketplace is the global market maker of choice for industrial sellers in all regions of the world and in all industry verticals.

Speaker 2

For example, during the quarter, our CAG segment completed several high value transactions in our automotive and energy categories, reflecting how corporate clients are using our marketplace to monetize assets amidst changing and dynamic growth in many sectors of the economy. Our Machinio segment achieved record revenue and paying customer counts driven by improvements to its online classifieds marketplace, which efficiently matches buyers and sellers of used equipment around the globe. Machinio's recent expansion into China is well underway and this initiative more than doubles the addressable market for our Machinio business. We're also very excited to welcome Sierra Auction to Liquidity Services and are now leveraging its market leading position in the Southwest United States to cross sell its offerings to our government and commercial clients. We remain enthusiastic about our strategy and the strength of our business model.

Speaker 2

During Q2, we generated $34,800,000 in operating cash flow, which funded our organic growth initiatives, the Sierra acquisition and continued share repurchases while generating a net $10,000,000 of free cash flow to our balance sheet. In summary, we are very well positioned strategically and financially in the current environment. We have solutions that help our clients weather the cyclicality of an uncertain macro environment. We have a robust business development pipeline and continue to pursue strategic opportunities in each segment of the circular economy to drive shareholder value and provide outstanding service to our customers across the global supply chain. I'll now turn it over to Jorge for more details on the quarter.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Bill, and good morning. Our Q2 of fiscal year 2024 resulted in a 38% year over year increase in GAAP earnings per share, a 35% year over year increase in non GAAP adjusted earnings per share and a year over year increase in non GAAP adjusted EBITDA of 22%, while growing year over year GMV by 13% and revenue by 12%. Specifically, our Q2 of fiscal year 2024 financial results included: GMV of $319,400,000 up 13% from $282,700,000 in the same quarter last year revenue of $91,500,000 up 12% from $81,500,000 in the same quarter last year GAAP earnings per share of $0.18 up $0.05 or 38% year over year, non GAAP earnings per share of $0.27 up $0.07 or 35% year over year, and non GAAP adjusted EBITDA of $12,100,000 up 22 percent from $9,900,000 in the same quarter last year. We set new quarterly records with 1,100,000 auction participants and 300,000 completed transactions in the fiscal Q2. We ended the fiscal second quarter with 117 $1,000,000 in cash, cash equivalents and short term investments.

Speaker 3

We generated $34,800,000 of cash from operations during the fiscal 2nd quarter and after using $13,300,000 for the acquisition of Sierra Auction and $7,900,000 repurchasing 474,000 shares of our common stock during the quarter, our cash on hand still increased $10,000,000 while we continue to have 0 debt and $25,000,000 of available borrowing capacity under our credit facility. Specifically comparing segment results from this fiscal Q2 to the same quarter last year, our CAG segment was up 29% on GMV, 30% on revenue and 31% on segment direct profit, driven by consignment sales in our industrial and heavy equipment categories, including completion of some of the sales delayed from the prior quarter and some international purchase transactions. GovDeals segment was up 11% on GMV, 22% on revenue and 20% on segment direct profit, reflecting the increased availability of vehicles paired with a higher blended revenue take rate due to expansion of service offerings into new markets, while experiencing slower than anticipated real estate auction volume despite continued inroads in various jurisdictions. Machinio revenue was up 21% and its segment direct profit was up 22%, reflecting continuing increase in subscribers and prices for its Maschineo Advertising and Maschineo Systems dealer management products.

Speaker 3

Our retail or RSCG segment was up 9% on GMV, setting a new quarterly record of $79,600,000 while up 6% on revenue and 2% on segment direct profit, reflecting an increase in low touch consignment solutions and high volumes from purchase programs, while continuing to experience a lower value product mix in certain full service consignment and purchase programs. Our Q3 of fiscal year 2024 outlook reflects a continuation of double digit consolidated GMV growth at the midpoint of our guidance range led by CAG's Energy and Industrial categories and the continued growth of CAG's heavy equipment activity. Our Machinio subscription based business is also anticipated to continue to report double digit revenue growth. Our fiscal Q3 2024 outlook also reflects the seasonally high activity at govdeals with year over year GMV growth expected to continue with higher volumes more than offsetting the potential for softer used vehicle market prices than last year. GovDeals revenue is expected to grow at a faster year over year rate than GMV due to our expansion of more full service consignment offerings since the acquisition of Sierra Auctions in January of 2024.

Speaker 3

Our RSCG segment expects to sustain volumes similar to this past fiscal second quarter's record retail GMV. All surplus deals are retail direct to consumer curbside pickup marketplace is expected to sustain a strong year over year growth rate this coming quarter. Our retail segment continues to improve selling through the backlog of lower value product with improved operational efficiency and buyer demand generation, potentially resulting in some improvement in the direct profit margin sequentially, yet still down compared to last year. Operating expenses year over year will be up similar to this past fiscal second quarter that included the effect of the Sierra auction acquisition, continued operational investment in the expansion of all surplus deals and the higher sales and technology personnel to accelerate platform technology enhancements and market share gains. We are anticipating our consolidated revenue as a percentage of GMV to reflect our growth in consignment and remain in the low to mid-twenty percent range.

Speaker 3

We currently expect our segment direct profit as a percent of total revenue to be in the low to mid-fifty percent range, reflecting current direct profit margins in our RSCG segment. Both ratios can vary based on our mix between and within our segments for asset categories in any given period. Management's guidance for the Q3 of fiscal year 2024 is as follows. We expect GMV to range from $350,000,000 to $385,000,000 GAAP net income is expected in the range of $3,500,000 to $6,500,000 with a corresponding GAAP diluted earnings per share ranging from $0.11 to $0.21 per share. We estimate non GAAP adjusted EBITDA to range from $10,500,000 to $13,500,000 Non GAAP adjusted diluted earnings per share is estimated in the range of $0.20 to $0.28 per share.

Speaker 3

The GAAP and non GAAP earnings per share guidance assumes that we have approximately $31,500,000 to $32,000,000 fully diluted weighted average shares outstanding for the Q3 of fiscal year 2024. Thank you. And we will now take your questions.

Operator

Thank you, Jorge. We will now begin the question and answer session. Our first question comes from Gary Prestopino with Barrington Research. Your line is open.

Speaker 4

Hi. Good morning all. Very good quarter, so happy about that. Bill, in terms of Sierra auction, is that that's booked in the gov deal segment. Is that correct?

Speaker 4

Yes, that's correct.

Speaker 2

That's correct, Gary.

Speaker 4

Okay. So I don't know how much I don't expect you to break out the contribution, but with the gov deals business because of the real estate still being sluggish, would that have been either down slightly or just up slightly in the quarter?

Speaker 2

We'd still have organic growth in the core gov deals business if that's the focus of the question. Yes.

Speaker 4

I'm just trying to get an idea if you had organic growth. That's all I'm just trying to see how that other the legacy business is performing.

Speaker 2

Yes, legacy business is still very strong and we continue to onboard new customers. Now we've expanded the business development capacity of core gov deals. And in my opening remarks, we are pleased that these balanced investments are pulling through new opportunities. So we signed the State of New York fleet business, the City of New York fleet business as a direct consequence of staffing up some territory business development resources in the GovDeals core business.

Speaker 4

Okay. That's good to hear. And then in terms of the sell in place consignment solutions, What are the plans to expand that? I believe you have either 3 or 4 centers that you're doing that now in the RSGCG segment?

Speaker 2

Yes. Well, we've got sell in place as a solution across all segments. RSGC has seen adoption from retail clients to sell from fulfillment centers, individual store locations or individual warehouses. So we've given that option. We've got the API feed.

Speaker 2

It's a very elegant solution to those that have the resources in the retail vertical to listen, sell on the liquidation.com platform. Now since the, what I would call exuberant expansion of retailers in the pandemic, a lot of those retail clients have cut costs, reduced staff, reduced warehouse space. And so many of them have leaned on our own distribution center facilities. And so we've got the full continuum of self managed sell in place to fully managed full service for these clients.

Speaker 4

Okay. And then just lastly on the guidance for Q3, you're giving the 10.5 to 13.5 EBITDA number. Last year, I believe you were at 13.3 if my numbers are correct. So what is actually going on there that is causing the potential flatness to step down in adjusted EBITDA? Are you having seen some acceleration in investments in the platform?

Speaker 2

Yes, there are a couple of things there. Certainly, what you just mentioned has been on our mind and we've got a great CTO and product team and we've identified and made some unbudgeted IT hires to pull forward some key projects that are going to help this business and meet current demand for many of our clients. For example, in the gov deals marketplace, we're rolling out 4 level taxonomy in key categories such as transportation assets. And this simply means that buyers will able to more precisely find and bid on key specific categories, the individual categories for trucks and passenger vehicles and commercial heavy equipment will be a focus of this project. And we've already started to roll out some of that functionality, but more is coming.

Speaker 2

Effectively, this will improve the bidding and recovery for these assets. Another example is we're actively developing a high speed receiving tool into our retail distribution center facilities using enhanced data and call it some machine automation around that data. So that's going to help us quickly in a more efficient manner, improve the listing quality of what we put on liquidation.com and our all surplus deals platforms, which will improve recovery. It will also, Gary, materially reduce labor costs associated with distribution center footprint. Now this is a 1,200,000 square foot footprint.

Speaker 2

So we like the opportunity in the ROI of some of those IT investments. So we've got a little bit more of that in the current period versus the prior period. And the other thing I would just add and we've talked about in the past, there's been a period of less attractive product mix in retail in 2024 versus the prior year period. There were lots of reasons for that. But I would tell you that we're seeing signs of consolidation in the retail industry as it relates to in the liquidation category, a number of new entrants that came in to try to buy and resell retail goods during 2021, 2022 have encountered operational and financial difficulties resulting in non performance and even closures of these players, which has been sort of recalibration for these top 50 retailers and who they want to interact with.

Speaker 2

And I think this sets the stage for more normalization around this industry and ultimately better terms and environment for folks like Liquidity Services.

Speaker 4

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from George Sutton with Craig Hallum. George, your line is open.

Speaker 5

Thank you. Bill, given what sounds like quite a cold that you have, I'll try to ask you a short question and then I'll leave my next question for Jorge. So relative to what you were saying on the business development pipeline and your work on pursuing strategic opportunities in each of the segments. I wonder if you can just give us a little bit better color on sort of how mature some of those opportunities are. You just mentioned on the retail side potential liquidation or challenges that some of the competitors are seeing.

Speaker 5

Is that an area that you're contemplating? Just love to get a little more clarity.

Speaker 2

Sure. Full disclosure, I'm a college lacrosse fan and they're now in the NCAA tournament. So that's really what's resulting in a course voice here. I feel great. Let me tell you that there is opportunity in the retail vertical, lots of different segments.

Speaker 2

And we have a filter, which is about buyer base, capabilities, further penetrating and expanding our direct to consumer channels, which allows to improve and elevate recovery and that's a win win for clients and liquidity in our marketplace. So we're actively exploring opportunities in the retail vertical. We're actively exploring opportunities in the capital assets and government sectors. There's always some overlap because the fleet sellers can be both commercial and government. So Sierra is a great example of that.

Speaker 2

And what happens, you announce a transaction and people have a good feeling about it and Sierra is going quite well. Other people start to approach you and we've got a good pipeline of ideas there. Now we're a thrifty buyer. We're not looking to just do a roll up of some kind. We're looking very patiently at where we can get the 1 plus 1 equals 3 type of outcome.

Speaker 2

And with us a very strong balance sheet and a very good team that can handle the onboarding and integration of acquired businesses. I think there's more to do, Gary. I'm sorry. I think there's more to do, George, on this notion of consolidation, but consolidation with smart integration and leveraging the tech platform is how we think about it.

Speaker 5

So, Jorge on the strength that we saw in auction participants and transactions, which was quite good. Was there something that drove that uniquely this quarter, perhaps the CAG purchase transactions side?

Speaker 3

Well, I would I think we had strength across the board, but certainly the growth in all surplus deals helps with auction participants, right. We have more people on spotter items. I think those are the key drivers, but overall we had a pretty good strength of participation and buyer demand across our segments.

Speaker 5

Got you. Okay. Thanks guys.

Operator

We have no further questions at this time. Thank you for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect.

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Key Takeaways

  • Double-digit organic revenue and GMV growth year-over-year, driven by a 44% increase in completed transactions and a 43% rise in auction participants in Q2.
  • Retail Supply Chain Group set a new quarterly GMV record of approximately $80 million, with its All Surplus Deals direct-to-consumer channel growing GMV over 60% sequentially.
  • Machinio achieved record revenue and paying customer counts and its expansion into China more than doubles its addressable market.
  • $34.8 million in operating cash flow and $10 million in free cash flow funded the Sierra Auction acquisition and share repurchases while maintaining zero debt.
  • Q3 guidance projects GMV of $350–385 million and GAAP EPS of $0.11–0.21 per share, indicating continued growth momentum.
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